The Charlie Kirk Show - October 09, 2023


Gaza: What's The Solution? with Joel Pollak and Steve Baker


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On January 6th, a group of Palestinian rebels managed to breach the Israeli security fence surrounding the Gaza Strip and carry out an attack that shocked even the most hardened enemies of Israel. How did they do it? And why did they get away with it?

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Tan the Charlie Kirk Show, some bombshell January 6th revelations, and we talk more about Israel.
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00:01:22.000 Joining us now is Joel Pollack with Breitbart News.
00:01:26.000 Does a great job, senior editor-at-large of Breitbart News and host of Breitbart News every Sunday at 7 p.m. Eastern.
00:01:33.000 Joel, welcome to the program.
00:01:35.000 Wish it was under better circumstances.
00:01:38.000 What is your reaction about what happened this weekend?
00:01:41.000 Obviously, sadness and heaviness.
00:01:43.000 How are we supposed to explain the intelligence failure?
00:01:48.000 I mean, what is your working theory here?
00:01:51.000 It's perplexing.
00:01:52.000 Well, I think that the failure was both by American and Israeli intelligence to anticipate that, first of all, Iran was going to want to trigger a new war in the Middle East.
00:02:05.000 Keep in mind, the Biden administration has been negotiating with Iran to try to renew a nuclear deal.
00:02:11.000 They just did a hostage deal where they gave Iran $6 billion.
00:02:15.000 So the conventional wisdom in Washington was that Iran would not want to rock the boat and risk those negotiations by launching through its proxy another war.
00:02:26.000 And then on the Israeli side, I think there was a sense of complacency because in previous weeks and months, there had been some skirmishes with other Palestinian groups.
00:02:35.000 If you remember, there were several days of rocket fire from the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which is an Iranian group, and Hamas did not join the fight.
00:02:45.000 Israel basically eliminated the rocket threat from Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
00:02:49.000 It was a clean victory for Israel, and Hamas did not jump in. 0.96
00:02:54.000 So the wisdom, such as it was, was that Hamas was too weak to fight Israel after being decimated in so many of the past conflicts, and that they preferred to simply roll the Gaza Strip, collect money, and rebuild probably for the next round of attacks, which might come in a year or two, but not tomorrow or on the Jewish holy day of Shemini Atzeret, which is the last of the high holy days. 0.78
00:03:21.000 They managed to surprise Israel in other ways as well.
00:03:26.000 And it's very interesting.
00:03:26.000 I think it was a combination of low-tech and high-tech weaponry.
00:03:30.000 Low-tech, in that I think they probably evaded signals intelligence by using written communication and word of mouth rather than phones and emails and other electronic signals.
00:03:41.000 And then high-tech stuff, because you look at the videos that have come out of Hamas using drones to take out Israeli observation posts, which made it a lot harder for Israel to see the attack as it was happening.
00:03:55.000 You hear about communications jamming technology that was used by Hamas as soon as they broke open the fence or cut open the fence and then widened those openings with bulldozers and went after Israeli army bases in the area and prevented them from communicating with headquarters, even using cell phones, apparently.
00:04:13.000 So that's kind of that kind of equipment comes from outside of Gaza.
00:04:17.000 That's not homegrown in Gaza.
00:04:19.000 If Gaza could produce equipment like that, it would be the next Singapore. 0.99
00:04:22.000 It would be Silicon Valley on the Mediterranean.
00:04:25.000 Instead, that equipment probably came from Iran.
00:04:28.000 And we know that's probably what Iran has been testing in the field with Russia.
00:04:33.000 Keep in mind that Russia is using Iranian drones.
00:04:36.000 And Iranian drones are no longer a joke.
00:04:38.000 They're sophisticated enough to cause significant damage to Ukrainian forces.
00:04:43.000 And they were able to destroy Israeli observation posts and to at least inflict some damage on Israeli armored capacity, that is, tanks.
00:04:55.000 So, Joel, a lot to unpack there.
00:04:58.000 Israel is now saying they're going to invade Gaza.
00:05:01.000 What would that look like?
00:05:02.000 Duration, time, casualties.
00:05:06.000 This is not a simple operation in the slightest, considering the density and the urban makeup of Gaza.
00:05:13.000 I think it will involve thousands of Israeli casualties and tens of thousands of Palestinian casualties.
00:05:19.000 And unfortunately, that is probably unavoidable at this point because the nature of the attack by the Palestinian terrorists against Israeli civilians in their homes, on their farms, women, the elderly, children, the nature of that kind of attack is to project an existential threat. 0.98
00:05:38.000 It's basically a message that we intend to murder all of you. 0.80
00:05:43.000 So that's not something that Israel can live with. 0.99
00:05:46.000 And Israelis are prepared to die to stop that from happening. 0.93
00:05:51.000 You now have Israelis not just being mobilized and called up in Israel.
00:05:55.000 There are Israelis flying home from all over the world voluntarily, not just ones who've been called up, but voluntarily showing up at their military units and saying, What can I do?
00:06:04.000 How can I help?
00:06:06.000 There is an overwhelming response from around the world.
00:06:08.000 There are flights that are packed to leaving New York, leaving Miami, leaving places where Israelis have settled or where they work.
00:06:16.000 And they're going back to Israel and they're prepared to die in defense of the state of Israel. 0.87
00:06:21.000 And that's because the nature of the threat is such that it is like the Holocaust. 0.87
00:06:26.000 The Nazis did what Hamas is doing. 0.87
00:06:28.000 They piled Jewish families, women especially, onto the backs of trucks. 0.87
00:06:33.000 They drove them to an uncertain fate, often to be abused and executed. 0.59
00:06:39.000 And that is what Hamas is doing. 0.72
00:06:41.000 For Jews around the world and Israelis around the world, watching this happen is like watching films of the Holocaust.
00:06:48.000 It's unfathomable that it could happen again.
00:06:50.000 And Israel is not going to let it happen again.
00:06:53.000 The fact that Iran is applauding all this and grinning and celebrating is a sign that eventually there may be some effort to take off the Iranian regime, not necessarily in this conflict, but that is the source of all this. 0.72
00:07:06.000 Because the Abraham Accords that President Donald Trump signed and initiated show us that there's no real reason that you can't have peace between Israel and Arab states.
00:07:19.000 And there's no reason that Jews and Muslims can't live together.
00:07:23.000 In fact, I was just in the Middle East.
00:07:24.000 I got back from the United Arab Emirates a couple weeks ago, and I had a fantastic time.
00:07:28.000 I was welcomed by Muslims, by Emirati leaders in Abu Dhabi, in Dubai.
00:07:35.000 And there's a tremendous amount of friendship.
00:07:37.000 In fact, right here, I have a little card that was given to me by someone from the Abrahamic Family House, which is a multi-faith worship facility that the government of the Emirates has built there.
00:07:50.000 So there's no reason for there to be war other than the fact that Iran doesn't want there to be peace. 0.85
00:07:55.000 Iran is the engine behind all of this. 1.00
00:07:58.000 And the challenge for Israel is going to be how to go after Hamas and get rid of them in Gaza, effectively removing Iran's military asset in Gaza without Iran opening another front in the northern part of the country, that is to say, on the Lebanese border, or doing other things, perhaps even attacking Jewish institutions around the globe.
00:08:16.000 Right now, there's stepped-up security at synagogues and Jewish institutions everywhere because Iran has in the past carried out terror attacks against not just Israelis, but against Jews around the world.
00:08:29.000 How should Israel act to ensure it doesn't turn into a broader regional conflict?
00:08:35.000 I was texting with somebody in Israel who's in the IDF, and he says we might have to go to war against Iran.
00:08:41.000 Is this a proxy war against Iran?
00:08:43.000 Could this potentially become something even bigger and heavier in the region, or do you think it'll just be targeted potentially at Gaza?
00:08:52.000 What does Israel have to do next? 0.53
00:08:54.000 Israel has to win in Gaza as quickly as possible while maintaining peace on the other fronts, not peace, but calm. 0.75
00:09:01.000 Ultimately, there is going to be some kind of confrontation with the Iranian regime unless the Iranian people can remove it themselves. 0.78
00:09:08.000 And under President Donald Trump, they were actually close to doing that.
00:09:12.000 When Trump took out Iranian terror general Qasim Soleimani, the Iranian regime looked weak.
00:09:16.000 They didn't really respond.
00:09:17.000 They fired some cruise missiles, but they didn't actually kill any Americans.
00:09:21.000 They are not as strong as they like to pretend to be.
00:09:26.000 All they've ever done is take out innocent people in surprise attacks like this, whether on Israel or on Americans.
00:09:35.000 And this is what they do.
00:09:37.000 They're not that powerful.
00:09:39.000 Their own people hate them.
00:09:40.000 Iranians are probably the most pro-American people in the Middle East outside of Israel.
00:09:45.000 And they would be willing, if given the opportunity, to overthrow their government.
00:09:49.000 But the Iranian regime cannot exist in a peaceful Middle East. 0.89
00:09:53.000 And so, how that happens, I don't know.
00:09:55.000 When it happens, I don't know.
00:09:56.000 But what Israel needs to do is win as decisively as possible in Gaza. 0.56
00:10:00.000 They may have to go street to street.
00:10:02.000 They may have to encounter booby traps and all kinds of other defenses that Hamas has built over the years. 0.73
00:10:08.000 They may have to bomb areas of Gaza so heavily that there are massive Palestinian casualties.
00:10:14.000 And as unfortunate as that is, that is perfectly legal within the doctrine of international law.
00:10:21.000 You'll hear people use the term proportionate a lot.
00:10:24.000 It gets abused in every single war.
00:10:26.000 But in international law, proportionate doesn't mean equal numbers of dead on both sides.
00:10:32.000 Proportionate means a number of dead proportionate to a legitimate military objective.
00:10:38.000 And the legitimate military objective here is getting rid of Hamas.
00:10:41.000 I don't think anyone can argue that they are in any sense allowable anymore in Gaza.
00:10:48.000 They have to be removed.
00:10:49.000 And that means that they're going to have to be bombed.
00:10:53.000 There are going to have to be battles on the ground.
00:10:55.000 And Hamas likes to hide behind civilians.
00:10:57.000 So there are going to be a lot of civilian casualties.
00:10:59.000 This could all end if Hamas surrendered, if they stopped trying to kill as many Israeli civilians as possible, if they gave back the hostages.
00:11:07.000 But we all know that's not going to happen.
00:11:08.000 So there are going to be bombs.
00:11:09.000 There are going to be battles.
00:11:11.000 There are going to be terrible losses of life on both sides, much more on the Palestinian side.
00:11:15.000 And that is legal, and that is to be expected.
00:11:18.000 And I am okay with, as a person, never mind, as an attorney with a background in human rights law, but I am personally okay with Israel doing whatever it has to do to secure its own future.
00:11:29.000 You know, I'm okay with the United States nuking North Korea if we have to, and I'm okay with Israel doing whatever it has to do to maintain its own security. 0.86
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00:12:41.000 It's clear that some people in Hamas, they've never don't know Israelis very well.
00:12:47.000 Hamas opened to peace discussions of a truce.
00:12:50.000 You see this, Joel?
00:12:51.000 Joel Pollack, Breitbart.com.
00:12:53.000 According to Reuters in the last couple of minutes, Hamas wants to have truce talks.
00:12:57.000 Yeah.
00:12:58.000 Well, first of all, they're capitalizing on statements by the United Nations and by some of the Arab countries that say they want a ceasefire right now.
00:13:07.000 A ceasefire right now would mean that Hamas gets away with murder, literally, because it would allow them to escape any consequences for murdering up to 900, maybe more Israeli civilians and soldiers.
00:13:22.000 Most of them are civilians.
00:13:23.000 And so a ceasefire is a non-starter.
00:13:25.000 You know, Charlie, sometimes violence is the answer.
00:13:27.000 And this is one of those times.
00:13:28.000 There is actually a military solution to this problem, and Israel is going to apply that solution. 0.83
00:13:34.000 I don't think there are going to be any more ceasefires.
00:13:36.000 You know, sometimes you're just done talking.
00:13:39.000 I agree.
00:13:40.000 And I don't come to that conclusion lightly because not all the time is violence the answer. 0.99
00:13:43.000 You come and you go rape hundreds of women and kidnap them and parade them through the streets like savage animals. 1.00
00:13:49.000 You are. 1.00
00:13:50.000 Yeah, sorry.
00:13:52.000 So here's my question.
00:13:53.000 We only have four minutes on this, Joel.
00:13:55.000 Convince our audience that Israel can ever control Gaza. 0.89
00:14:00.000 As far as annexing it, there's 2.5 million people there.
00:14:04.000 So let's say there is 100,000 members of Hamas.
00:14:07.000 Then what?
00:14:07.000 Do they re-annex it similar to the West Bank, kick the Palestinian Authority out of control?
00:14:12.000 What are some of the big ideas out there as a way to manage the 2.5 million population hot box that is a terrorist breeding camp known as Gaza? 0.95
00:14:21.000 Well, let me say the unsayable.
00:14:23.000 I'm not endorsing this, but it's a possible solution, which is simply to expel them from Gaza. 0.99
00:14:29.000 Now, you might call that ethnic cleansing and so forth, but the fact is that after the end of the Second World War, there were a million Germans kicked out of Poland.
00:14:36.000 There were Germans expelled from Czechoslovakia.
00:14:40.000 There was a decision made by the global powers that after Nazi Germany had used these populations to anchor their occupation forces and carry out atrocities against the victim nations of Europe, that these German populations had to go.
00:14:53.000 When India and Pakistan separated and had years of conflict, there were massive population transfers.
00:15:01.000 It may be that Gaza is just unviable.
00:15:04.000 So that's an option, I think, after all this.
00:15:06.000 I mean, I'm sorry to say it, but you cannot have this entity next to Israel that is a constant source of terrorism. 0.99
00:15:14.000 It's just not sustainable.
00:15:15.000 Now, that's the outer limit, I think, of what might happen.
00:15:19.000 I don't think it's going to be something people consider, but it's there.
00:15:25.000 It's a possibility.
00:15:26.000 And frankly, I'm okay with it.
00:15:29.000 I say that at the risk of being accused of all kinds of stuff.
00:15:32.000 But if it comes down to ethnic cleansing, you want to cleanse my people, I'll cleanse yours first. 1.00
00:15:36.000 I mean, that's where we are.
00:15:38.000 And by the way, that's the going assumption of every citizen of the United States.
00:15:42.000 We have nuclear arms and mutually assured destruction.
00:15:46.000 That's how we ended the Cold War. 0.73
00:15:47.000 You know, you have to let the enemy understand that they are going to be wiped out if they try to wipe you out. 0.93
00:15:51.000 And clearly, the goal of Hamas is to wipe out Israelis and Jews.
00:15:56.000 But I think more reasonably, you'll see the Israeli military move in and take operational control, allowing the Palestinian civilian population to stay in some kind of occupied status.
00:16:06.000 Look, before Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005, there were rocket attacks, there were terror attacks, but they were so much smaller than what happened after Israel pulled out.
00:16:20.000 So there will be attacks on Israeli occupation forces in a military occupation of Gaza if that happens, but it's preferable to having what exists today, which is mass terror attacks and rocket attacks from Gaza. 0.69
00:16:36.000 But ultimately, you know, Charlie, a lot of this would be easier if the Iranian regime would just drop it.
00:16:43.000 There's only one reason that Hamas is still in operation, and it's because Iran funds it and arms it. 0.86
00:16:48.000 And there's only one reason Hezbollah is there in Lebanon. 0.93
00:16:51.000 It's because of Iranian weapons and money. 1.00
00:16:54.000 And you're hearing a lot of anguish in my voice as I describe the situation, a lot of anger.
00:16:59.000 But again, Jews and Arabs can live side by side in peace.
00:17:02.000 I've seen it myself.
00:17:03.000 I've experienced it.
00:17:04.000 Jews and Muslims can as well, Christians, Muslims in the Middle East.
00:17:07.000 The problem is that there are people with money and weapons who are fueling this conflict.
00:17:11.000 And those people are the mullahs sitting in Tehran directing all of this because ordinary Palestinians just want to go about their lives. 1.00
00:17:17.000 They want to get jobs.
00:17:18.000 They want to improve their own futures.
00:17:20.000 And they're being indoctrinated and armed by Iran. 0.93
00:17:25.000 So ultimately, we're going to have to deal with Iran. 0.98
00:17:28.000 One way you don't deal with Iran is by giving them $6 billion. 0.98
00:17:31.000 Biden's strategy is a complete disaster.
00:17:34.000 Trump's strategy is the only one that works, which is you isolate the Iranian regime and you give the Iranian people hope and encouragement that they themselves can rise up and take care of their regime.
00:17:44.000 I don't think that we want to commit American troops to that, but I do think it's possible.
00:17:48.000 The Iranian people hate their own government. 0.94
00:17:50.000 Their government is corrupt. 1.00
00:17:51.000 It's brutal. 0.85
00:17:52.000 They've been close to collapse many times before.
00:17:54.000 Obama rescued them.
00:17:55.000 Biden rescued them.
00:17:56.000 We got to stop doing that.
00:17:58.000 Joel Pollock, Breitbart.com.
00:17:59.000 We'll be watching closely.
00:18:00.000 Thank you for your analysis, Joel.
00:18:02.000 Appreciate it.
00:18:02.000 Thank you.
00:18:03.000 Thank you.
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00:19:04.000 Okay, joining us now is Steve Baker, Blaze contributor and independent journalist.
00:19:10.000 So, Steve, welcome to the program.
00:19:12.000 There's a lot of backstory here.
00:19:14.000 From what I understand, you have been able to get access to some of the January 6th footage and regarding Steve and Stuart Rhodes and all that.
00:19:24.000 So, walk us through your entire story, please.
00:19:26.000 Yeah, Charlie, thanks for having me.
00:19:28.000 This very simply started back in October of last year during the first Oath Keepers trial.
00:19:34.000 And there were five defendants in that trial.
00:19:36.000 Of course, also, this was the Stuart Rhodes et al. trial.
00:19:41.000 And that trial presented for me as somebody that was sitting in the media room every day for nine weeks of that trial, several examples where my radar went off because of things that were happening between the Department of Justice attorneys and the judge, as well as their attempts to suppress exculpatory evidence.
00:20:03.000 And then it was actually October 3rd. of last year, just barely over a year ago, there was an event in that trial where the government approached the bench and tried to suppress the inclusion of a couple of FBI interview documents related to one of the Capitol police officers who would then eventually testify in that trial about three weeks later.
00:20:28.000 And there was quite a kerfuffle in that moment in the trial that really caught my attention because the prosecution was adamant that these documents should not be released to the public.
00:20:42.000 And what was happening was there was a rogue attorney who was threatening or alleged to be threatening to release these FBI, what they call 302s.
00:20:50.000 They were two different FBI interview transcripts.
00:20:54.000 And as a result of that, the judge did something that I've never seen before.
00:20:58.000 He actually addressed the assembled press and media pool down on the lower level of the courthouse and told us to tweet out a threat to that attorney and let him know that if he did in fact release those documents, that he would hold him in contempt.
00:21:18.000 Well, obviously, I wanted to know right then what was in those documents.
00:21:22.000 And I did everything I could to get my hands on them.
00:21:24.000 And I did eventually get copies of these documents and began the process of a year-long investigation into which ultimately revealed through my access to that 41,000 hours worth of video there at the Capitol that these officers did in fact perjure themselves in the trial.
00:21:46.000 So walk us through more details here.
00:21:49.000 Is it true that the footage is available, the 18,000 hours?
00:21:55.000 And how do we potentially get access to it?
00:21:58.000 Yeah, they initially allowed, as you recall, they allowed Tucker Carlson's team to get access to that footage first.
00:22:06.000 That was earlier this year.
00:22:07.000 And in fact, his producers called me and asked me what they should be looking for.
00:22:12.000 I gave them a couple of tips and leads.
00:22:14.000 They used one of them and their two nights.
00:22:16.000 So they only used two nights of that video in his reporting.
00:22:20.000 And then subsequent to that, there was the access granted to Julie Kelly, Joe Hanneman from the Epoch Times, John Solomon, and myself.
00:22:29.000 And essentially what Congress or the staffers there at the Oversight Committee subcommittee were using us for were as guinea pigs to develop a system of process and procedures guideline where they would eventually open all of that up to the press at large.
00:22:48.000 And they did do that.
00:22:49.000 Just a month or so ago, they finally issued that guidelines and procedures.
00:22:54.000 But now the pause button has been hit on that because there's no speaker of the house right now.
00:22:58.000 And so nobody's making any decisions.
00:23:00.000 And that opportunity has been temporarily paused until we learn who the new speaker is and what their new rules will be.
00:23:10.000 So how do we then get access to all the footage and get it on the internet to have people to start go through it?
00:23:17.000 Because I know other people that in their defense have been unable to get access to footage.
00:23:22.000 Yeah, unfortunately, that's the one thing that they are not granting is full and total access to everything.
00:23:28.000 As you recall, McCarthy, when he was campaigning for the speakership earlier this year, he promised that all of that footage would be released to the American people.
00:23:38.000 And then, of course, because he was pressured because quote unquote security concerns and the like, that they changed their mind and then started the process of this limited access.
00:23:49.000 So you actually have to apply.
00:23:51.000 You have to go through a process.
00:23:52.000 There's an email address issued by Congress that you apply for access, and then you get a few hours per week if you're lucky enough to be granted that time and be scheduled in.
00:24:03.000 But the reality is something you keyed on just a moment ago is that there are over 1,700 cameras worth of footage from that day available in that treasure trove of video.
00:24:17.000 But in Discovery, the trials defense attorney or the defendant's defense attorneys have only been granted about 650 cameras worth of access.
00:24:26.000 So they are actually having to apply just like journalists are for time in that video room with only three consoles to even help develop and build their cases for their defendants.
00:24:43.000 So Steve, help me understand what is the next step then for Stuart Rhodes?
00:24:47.000 What happens?
00:24:48.000 Because if the government did indeed perjure themselves, wouldn't that potentially weaken the government's case?
00:24:54.000 Yeah, right now I have been in many, many long discussions with various Oathkeepers attorneys from that trial.
00:25:02.000 I've had a lot of time with three of them specifically over the last week since we released this information about these two Capitol Police officers.
00:25:13.000 And obviously they're hot.
00:25:15.000 They wish that they had had this information available to them a year ago during this trial.
00:25:20.000 It was withheld from them.
00:25:22.000 These actual cameras were withheld from them.
00:25:25.000 They didn't have them because these cameras that we were given access to are located in what they call highly sensitive parts of the Capitol building.
00:25:33.000 And so those were not available to them during their discovery process.
00:25:38.000 And so there are talks right now between the various Oath Keepers defense attorneys to file emergency motions to get the attention of the judge, to get the attention of the Department of Justice, and maybe get an accelerated appeal process so these circumstances can be presented to the court.
00:26:00.000 So this opens up a bigger question.
00:26:02.000 How many of these defendants are really in kind of Soviet show trial type situations where there could be exculpatory evidence, right?
00:26:10.000 And another one of this is another question is how were the doors opened?
00:26:14.000 Because they could only be opened from the inside.
00:26:16.000 I'm sure you've been curious about that.
00:26:19.000 So the footage is just one part of this, though.
00:26:23.000 The government could be potentially setting a standard or a precedent where appeal judges or appeal courts could be overturning some of these convictions, but the government doesn't seem to care.
00:26:36.000 No, they don't.
00:26:38.000 I think that, like, for instance, in the case of this particular Oath Keepers trial, and there were three Oath Keepers trial, and then, of course, the Big Proud Boys trial earlier this year.
00:26:49.000 But in those marquee trials, they got their pound of flesh.
00:26:52.000 They got their notches in their gun belts, and they don't really care what happens in the appeal process at this point.
00:26:58.000 And as sad as that sounds, that's exactly the case.
00:27:02.000 They had their celebratory moments.
00:27:04.000 I mean, even after the first Oath Keepers trial, Merrick Garland himself went out to dinner and toasted the prosecution team after the jury came back with the verdicts that night.
00:27:17.000 And this was reported by Politico.
00:27:18.000 So this was something that really did happen that the U.S. Attorney General showed up, Not to celebrate justice, but to celebrate really a, as you said, a Soviet-style show trial, kangaroo court, because that was ultimately what we're finding out was what was taking place.
00:27:39.000 Now, that doesn't mean, Charlie, that there weren't bad people doing bad things that day.
00:27:43.000 That doesn't mean that there weren't people that committed violence.
00:27:47.000 There doesn't mean that there weren't people who did assault law enforcement officers.
00:27:51.000 In fact, I always say this.
00:27:52.000 I say that I saw, I was there myself that day. 0.98
00:27:55.000 I saw bad people doing bad things, good people doing good things, and otherwise good people doing some really stupid things when they got caught up in the moment. 0.91
00:28:02.000 So there's all manner of things that took place. 0.73
00:28:04.000 And in certain circumstances, some of these people do need to get what's coming to them.
00:28:12.000 We'll say that.
00:28:13.000 But on the other hand, there were specific incidences with specific of these defendants who were seemingly now framed up by the government in what I'm calling a star chamber that was convened back in early 2021 to target some of these groups,
00:28:35.000 some of these quasi-militia groups to take them out so as to create a narrative and to create a chilling effect against groups forming like the Oath Keepers that were mostly there.
00:28:49.000 Well, in fact, almost entirely the Oath Keepers themselves are former law enforcement, retired military.
00:28:55.000 And when I say former, some of these are still current law enforcement and military that were members of that group.
00:29:00.000 They had over 35,000 paid dues paying members in that group.
00:29:05.000 And of course, they effectively dismantled that and sent everybody scurrying to the corners and hiding now.
00:29:13.000 So they're not even functioning right now.
00:29:16.000 So Steve, one minute remaining.
00:29:18.000 How should we then proceed to try to pursue justice and seek justice when it seems as if the government does not care about facts and instead throwing political dissidents in prison basically for sport and for celebration?
00:29:32.000 First of all, every single one of your listeners must contact their congressman.
00:29:36.000 We must get all of this video released and we must demand justice.
00:29:40.000 We must demand speedy appeals for certain of these cases.
00:29:45.000 And we have to make noise and we're going to continue this process.
00:29:48.000 Myself as a Blaze contributor, fortunately, I'm working with a larger bullhorn right now than I was even going back during the trial period.
00:29:56.000 And so we're going to make a lot of noise about this.
00:29:58.000 And we have several more parts of this reveal coming out and showing the American people, in fact, that our own Department of quote unquote justice created false evidence, created and manipulated and served up false testimony against some of these January 6th defendants.
00:30:16.000 Steve Baker, excellent work.
00:30:18.000 Thank you so much for joining us.
00:30:19.000 Really appreciate it.
00:30:20.000 Thank you.
00:30:20.000 Thanks, Charlie.
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00:31:27.000 I do want to mention, because we've been obviously covering the Israel thing, there is another part that we have to cover here, which is that I stand 100% with Israel.
00:31:38.000 But my first and foremost loyalty is, of course, with America.
00:31:42.000 And some American politicians, especially on the right, they got crazy talk going on here.
00:31:48.000 You should always talk about America first, our borders, our sovereignty, 100%.
00:31:54.000 And yes, I'm really glad.
00:31:55.000 I'm thankful that we spent the last couple hours talking about this unbelievably horrific in Israel. 1.00
00:32:04.000 But you have some of these people that when they got to calm down.
00:32:11.000 Listen to Nikki Haley here, okay?
00:32:14.000 When she says that it's an attack on America, no, no, come on.
00:32:17.000 That's an irresponsible thing to say.
00:32:19.000 It's not an attack on America.
00:32:21.000 You say Israel can defend itself.
00:32:23.000 Israel should have our support.
00:32:26.000 But to say that it's an attack on America, play cut four.
00:32:31.000 But let's step back because I want the American people to kind of take this in for a second.
00:32:35.000 Just imagine that here the Israelis woke up and communities were bombarded.
00:32:42.000 Families were murdered.
00:32:45.000 Women and children were taken hostage, dragged through the streets.
00:32:49.000 The elderly were taken.
00:32:51.000 All of this has happened in front of everyone on top of thousands of rockets that hit Israel.
00:32:58.000 I'm also going to play this next tape here, but some people in the Republican Party, Nikki Haley continuing, they're more nationalist about Israel than they are about America.
00:33:08.000 And that's very strange.
00:33:09.000 It is kind of weird to me that some politicians get really fired up about foreign countries more than what's happening in our own country.
00:33:21.000 I don't have that problem.
00:33:22.000 Every day I talk about the disintegration of America.
00:33:27.000 So yes, today I was more than happy to spend our time talking about Israel, a country I love.
00:33:32.000 I'm not a citizen of Israel, obviously, being under attack.
00:33:38.000 There's nothing wrong with that.
00:33:40.000 Here's Nikki Haley saying that it's like America being under attack.
00:33:44.000 And when she says finish them, finish them, I don't really know what she's talking about.
00:33:49.000 Play cut five.
00:33:50.000 This should be personal for every woman and man in America. 0.90
00:33:54.000 Why?
00:33:55.000 Because when they did this, when they did this surprise attack, when they took these hostages, when they murdered these families, they were celebrating.
00:34:04.000 And what were they celebrating?
00:34:05.000 They were saying death to Israel, death to America.
00:34:09.000 This is not just an attack on Israel.
00:34:11.000 This is an attack on America because they hate us just as much.
00:34:15.000 And I'll say this to Prime Minister Netanyahu.
00:34:18.000 Finish them.
00:34:20.000 Finish them.
00:34:21.000 Hamas did this. 0.62
00:34:22.000 You know Iran's behind it. 0.99
00:34:23.000 Finish them. 0.97
00:34:24.000 They should have hell to pay for what they've just done. 0.97
00:34:27.000 Okay, okay, okay.
00:34:28.000 You got to calm down.
00:34:29.000 Okay, you shouldn't talk like ravenous dogs.
00:34:31.000 Okay, that is not good.
00:34:33.000 Is it possible, Blake or Andrew, that I'm the moderate in this situation?
00:34:40.000 Is it possible that I'm actually a moderate?
00:34:43.000 Where, for the first time, I found a political position where I actually find myself living in nuance.
00:34:49.000 It's amazing.
00:34:51.000 Because I always get called a radical.
00:34:54.000 I love Israel.
00:34:56.000 I don't think that we should deploy American troops.
00:34:59.000 I think that's a mistake.
00:35:00.000 I think that we should totally support Israel. 0.97
00:35:03.000 But also, I think that these lunatics with their anti-Jew narrative and rhetoric and these pro-Palestine numbskulls after 800 Jews are murdered, I think that those people shouldn't even be in the country. 0.97
00:35:21.000 So I guess you find myself in the happy middle. 0.97
00:35:24.000 But I'm going to speak again.
00:35:25.000 This Mike Pence stuff is like, bro, calm down, man.
00:35:30.000 It's too much.
00:35:31.000 It's too much. 0.97
00:35:33.000 And then you have Rashida Talib, who's like shrieking for a holy war on the other side.
00:35:39.000 I guess I find myself in the middle here.
00:35:41.000 And the middle is very simple.
00:35:42.000 Put America first.
00:35:44.000 Put the country first.
00:35:47.000 Mike Pence sent out this statement that was just, geez.
00:35:52.000 It is an absolute tragedy what has happened in Israel. 1.00
00:35:55.000 And this is not for Trump.
00:35:57.000 Trump has totally earned the ability to talk about this freely.
00:36:00.000 But I will say this, that for those of you out there, very few, the neocons, that get super fired up about foreign stuff and you never, ever talk about anything domestic, that's very weird to me.
00:36:14.000 Very weird.
00:36:15.000 Trump's not in that category.
00:36:17.000 This program's not in that category.
00:36:19.000 But if you get like the most angry you get on TV is stuff happening abroad, that bothers me.
00:36:25.000 Pray for Israel. 0.97
00:36:26.000 It's going to be a bloody night and a bloody couple days.
00:36:28.000 The airstrikes are just the beginning, we're told.
00:36:32.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:36:35.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.
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