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00:01:52.000Well, I think that the failure was both by American and Israeli intelligence to anticipate that, first of all, Iran was going to want to trigger a new war in the Middle East.
00:02:05.000Keep in mind, the Biden administration has been negotiating with Iran to try to renew a nuclear deal.
00:02:11.000They just did a hostage deal where they gave Iran $6 billion.
00:02:15.000So the conventional wisdom in Washington was that Iran would not want to rock the boat and risk those negotiations by launching through its proxy another war.
00:02:26.000And then on the Israeli side, I think there was a sense of complacency because in previous weeks and months, there had been some skirmishes with other Palestinian groups.
00:02:35.000If you remember, there were several days of rocket fire from the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which is an Iranian group, and Hamas did not join the fight.
00:02:45.000Israel basically eliminated the rocket threat from Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
00:02:49.000It was a clean victory for Israel, and Hamas did not jump in.
00:02:54.000So the wisdom, such as it was, was that Hamas was too weak to fight Israel after being decimated in so many of the past conflicts, and that they preferred to simply roll the Gaza Strip, collect money, and rebuild probably for the next round of attacks, which might come in a year or two, but not tomorrow or on the Jewish holy day of Shemini Atzeret, which is the last of the high holy days.
00:03:21.000They managed to surprise Israel in other ways as well.
00:03:26.000I think it was a combination of low-tech and high-tech weaponry.
00:03:30.000Low-tech, in that I think they probably evaded signals intelligence by using written communication and word of mouth rather than phones and emails and other electronic signals.
00:03:41.000And then high-tech stuff, because you look at the videos that have come out of Hamas using drones to take out Israeli observation posts, which made it a lot harder for Israel to see the attack as it was happening.
00:03:55.000You hear about communications jamming technology that was used by Hamas as soon as they broke open the fence or cut open the fence and then widened those openings with bulldozers and went after Israeli army bases in the area and prevented them from communicating with headquarters, even using cell phones, apparently.
00:04:13.000So that's kind of that kind of equipment comes from outside of Gaza.
00:05:06.000This is not a simple operation in the slightest, considering the density and the urban makeup of Gaza.
00:05:13.000I think it will involve thousands of Israeli casualties and tens of thousands of Palestinian casualties.
00:05:19.000And unfortunately, that is probably unavoidable at this point because the nature of the attack by the Palestinian terrorists against Israeli civilians in their homes, on their farms, women, the elderly, children, the nature of that kind of attack is to project an existential threat.
00:05:38.000It's basically a message that we intend to murder all of you.
00:05:43.000So that's not something that Israel can live with.
00:05:46.000And Israelis are prepared to die to stop that from happening.
00:05:51.000You now have Israelis not just being mobilized and called up in Israel.
00:05:55.000There are Israelis flying home from all over the world voluntarily, not just ones who've been called up, but voluntarily showing up at their military units and saying, What can I do?
00:06:41.000For Jews around the world and Israelis around the world, watching this happen is like watching films of the Holocaust.
00:06:48.000It's unfathomable that it could happen again.
00:06:50.000And Israel is not going to let it happen again.
00:06:53.000The fact that Iran is applauding all this and grinning and celebrating is a sign that eventually there may be some effort to take off the Iranian regime, not necessarily in this conflict, but that is the source of all this.
00:07:06.000Because the Abraham Accords that President Donald Trump signed and initiated show us that there's no real reason that you can't have peace between Israel and Arab states.
00:07:19.000And there's no reason that Jews and Muslims can't live together.
00:07:23.000In fact, I was just in the Middle East.
00:07:24.000I got back from the United Arab Emirates a couple weeks ago, and I had a fantastic time.
00:07:28.000I was welcomed by Muslims, by Emirati leaders in Abu Dhabi, in Dubai.
00:07:35.000And there's a tremendous amount of friendship.
00:07:37.000In fact, right here, I have a little card that was given to me by someone from the Abrahamic Family House, which is a multi-faith worship facility that the government of the Emirates has built there.
00:07:50.000So there's no reason for there to be war other than the fact that Iran doesn't want there to be peace.
00:07:55.000Iran is the engine behind all of this.
00:07:58.000And the challenge for Israel is going to be how to go after Hamas and get rid of them in Gaza, effectively removing Iran's military asset in Gaza without Iran opening another front in the northern part of the country, that is to say, on the Lebanese border, or doing other things, perhaps even attacking Jewish institutions around the globe.
00:08:16.000Right now, there's stepped-up security at synagogues and Jewish institutions everywhere because Iran has in the past carried out terror attacks against not just Israelis, but against Jews around the world.
00:08:29.000How should Israel act to ensure it doesn't turn into a broader regional conflict?
00:08:35.000I was texting with somebody in Israel who's in the IDF, and he says we might have to go to war against Iran.
00:10:49.000And that means that they're going to have to be bombed.
00:10:53.000There are going to have to be battles on the ground.
00:10:55.000And Hamas likes to hide behind civilians.
00:10:57.000So there are going to be a lot of civilian casualties.
00:10:59.000This could all end if Hamas surrendered, if they stopped trying to kill as many Israeli civilians as possible, if they gave back the hostages.
00:11:07.000But we all know that's not going to happen.
00:11:11.000There are going to be terrible losses of life on both sides, much more on the Palestinian side.
00:11:15.000And that is legal, and that is to be expected.
00:11:18.000And I am okay with, as a person, never mind, as an attorney with a background in human rights law, but I am personally okay with Israel doing whatever it has to do to secure its own future.
00:11:29.000You know, I'm okay with the United States nuking North Korea if we have to, and I'm okay with Israel doing whatever it has to do to maintain its own security.
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00:12:41.000It's clear that some people in Hamas, they've never don't know Israelis very well.
00:12:47.000Hamas opened to peace discussions of a truce.
00:12:58.000Well, first of all, they're capitalizing on statements by the United Nations and by some of the Arab countries that say they want a ceasefire right now.
00:13:07.000A ceasefire right now would mean that Hamas gets away with murder, literally, because it would allow them to escape any consequences for murdering up to 900, maybe more Israeli civilians and soldiers.
00:14:07.000Do they re-annex it similar to the West Bank, kick the Palestinian Authority out of control?
00:14:12.000What are some of the big ideas out there as a way to manage the 2.5 million population hot box that is a terrorist breeding camp known as Gaza?
00:14:23.000I'm not endorsing this, but it's a possible solution, which is simply to expel them from Gaza.
00:14:29.000Now, you might call that ethnic cleansing and so forth, but the fact is that after the end of the Second World War, there were a million Germans kicked out of Poland.
00:14:36.000There were Germans expelled from Czechoslovakia.
00:14:40.000There was a decision made by the global powers that after Nazi Germany had used these populations to anchor their occupation forces and carry out atrocities against the victim nations of Europe, that these German populations had to go.
00:14:53.000When India and Pakistan separated and had years of conflict, there were massive population transfers.
00:15:47.000You know, you have to let the enemy understand that they are going to be wiped out if they try to wipe you out.
00:15:51.000And clearly, the goal of Hamas is to wipe out Israelis and Jews.
00:15:56.000But I think more reasonably, you'll see the Israeli military move in and take operational control, allowing the Palestinian civilian population to stay in some kind of occupied status.
00:16:06.000Look, before Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005, there were rocket attacks, there were terror attacks, but they were so much smaller than what happened after Israel pulled out.
00:16:20.000So there will be attacks on Israeli occupation forces in a military occupation of Gaza if that happens, but it's preferable to having what exists today, which is mass terror attacks and rocket attacks from Gaza.
00:16:36.000But ultimately, you know, Charlie, a lot of this would be easier if the Iranian regime would just drop it.
00:16:43.000There's only one reason that Hamas is still in operation, and it's because Iran funds it and arms it.
00:16:48.000And there's only one reason Hezbollah is there in Lebanon.
00:16:51.000It's because of Iranian weapons and money.
00:16:54.000And you're hearing a lot of anguish in my voice as I describe the situation, a lot of anger.
00:16:59.000But again, Jews and Arabs can live side by side in peace.
00:17:18.000They want to improve their own futures.
00:17:20.000And they're being indoctrinated and armed by Iran.
00:17:25.000So ultimately, we're going to have to deal with Iran.
00:17:28.000One way you don't deal with Iran is by giving them $6 billion.
00:17:31.000Biden's strategy is a complete disaster.
00:17:34.000Trump's strategy is the only one that works, which is you isolate the Iranian regime and you give the Iranian people hope and encouragement that they themselves can rise up and take care of their regime.
00:17:44.000I don't think that we want to commit American troops to that, but I do think it's possible.
00:17:48.000The Iranian people hate their own government.
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00:19:04.000Okay, joining us now is Steve Baker, Blaze contributor and independent journalist.
00:19:14.000From what I understand, you have been able to get access to some of the January 6th footage and regarding Steve and Stuart Rhodes and all that.
00:19:24.000So, walk us through your entire story, please.
00:19:28.000This very simply started back in October of last year during the first Oath Keepers trial.
00:19:34.000And there were five defendants in that trial.
00:19:36.000Of course, also, this was the Stuart Rhodes et al. trial.
00:19:41.000And that trial presented for me as somebody that was sitting in the media room every day for nine weeks of that trial, several examples where my radar went off because of things that were happening between the Department of Justice attorneys and the judge, as well as their attempts to suppress exculpatory evidence.
00:20:03.000And then it was actually October 3rd. of last year, just barely over a year ago, there was an event in that trial where the government approached the bench and tried to suppress the inclusion of a couple of FBI interview documents related to one of the Capitol police officers who would then eventually testify in that trial about three weeks later.
00:20:28.000And there was quite a kerfuffle in that moment in the trial that really caught my attention because the prosecution was adamant that these documents should not be released to the public.
00:20:42.000And what was happening was there was a rogue attorney who was threatening or alleged to be threatening to release these FBI, what they call 302s.
00:20:50.000They were two different FBI interview transcripts.
00:20:54.000And as a result of that, the judge did something that I've never seen before.
00:20:58.000He actually addressed the assembled press and media pool down on the lower level of the courthouse and told us to tweet out a threat to that attorney and let him know that if he did in fact release those documents, that he would hold him in contempt.
00:21:18.000Well, obviously, I wanted to know right then what was in those documents.
00:21:22.000And I did everything I could to get my hands on them.
00:21:24.000And I did eventually get copies of these documents and began the process of a year-long investigation into which ultimately revealed through my access to that 41,000 hours worth of video there at the Capitol that these officers did in fact perjure themselves in the trial.
00:22:07.000And in fact, his producers called me and asked me what they should be looking for.
00:22:12.000I gave them a couple of tips and leads.
00:22:14.000They used one of them and their two nights.
00:22:16.000So they only used two nights of that video in his reporting.
00:22:20.000And then subsequent to that, there was the access granted to Julie Kelly, Joe Hanneman from the Epoch Times, John Solomon, and myself.
00:22:29.000And essentially what Congress or the staffers there at the Oversight Committee subcommittee were using us for were as guinea pigs to develop a system of process and procedures guideline where they would eventually open all of that up to the press at large.
00:23:00.000And that opportunity has been temporarily paused until we learn who the new speaker is and what their new rules will be.
00:23:10.000So how do we then get access to all the footage and get it on the internet to have people to start go through it?
00:23:17.000Because I know other people that in their defense have been unable to get access to footage.
00:23:22.000Yeah, unfortunately, that's the one thing that they are not granting is full and total access to everything.
00:23:28.000As you recall, McCarthy, when he was campaigning for the speakership earlier this year, he promised that all of that footage would be released to the American people.
00:23:38.000And then, of course, because he was pressured because quote unquote security concerns and the like, that they changed their mind and then started the process of this limited access.
00:23:52.000There's an email address issued by Congress that you apply for access, and then you get a few hours per week if you're lucky enough to be granted that time and be scheduled in.
00:24:03.000But the reality is something you keyed on just a moment ago is that there are over 1,700 cameras worth of footage from that day available in that treasure trove of video.
00:24:17.000But in Discovery, the trials defense attorney or the defendant's defense attorneys have only been granted about 650 cameras worth of access.
00:24:26.000So they are actually having to apply just like journalists are for time in that video room with only three consoles to even help develop and build their cases for their defendants.
00:24:43.000So Steve, help me understand what is the next step then for Stuart Rhodes?
00:24:48.000Because if the government did indeed perjure themselves, wouldn't that potentially weaken the government's case?
00:24:54.000Yeah, right now I have been in many, many long discussions with various Oathkeepers attorneys from that trial.
00:25:02.000I've had a lot of time with three of them specifically over the last week since we released this information about these two Capitol Police officers.
00:25:22.000These actual cameras were withheld from them.
00:25:25.000They didn't have them because these cameras that we were given access to are located in what they call highly sensitive parts of the Capitol building.
00:25:33.000And so those were not available to them during their discovery process.
00:25:38.000And so there are talks right now between the various Oath Keepers defense attorneys to file emergency motions to get the attention of the judge, to get the attention of the Department of Justice, and maybe get an accelerated appeal process so these circumstances can be presented to the court.
00:26:02.000How many of these defendants are really in kind of Soviet show trial type situations where there could be exculpatory evidence, right?
00:26:10.000And another one of this is another question is how were the doors opened?
00:26:14.000Because they could only be opened from the inside.
00:26:16.000I'm sure you've been curious about that.
00:26:19.000So the footage is just one part of this, though.
00:26:23.000The government could be potentially setting a standard or a precedent where appeal judges or appeal courts could be overturning some of these convictions, but the government doesn't seem to care.
00:26:38.000I think that, like, for instance, in the case of this particular Oath Keepers trial, and there were three Oath Keepers trial, and then, of course, the Big Proud Boys trial earlier this year.
00:26:49.000But in those marquee trials, they got their pound of flesh.
00:26:52.000They got their notches in their gun belts, and they don't really care what happens in the appeal process at this point.
00:26:58.000And as sad as that sounds, that's exactly the case.
00:27:04.000I mean, even after the first Oath Keepers trial, Merrick Garland himself went out to dinner and toasted the prosecution team after the jury came back with the verdicts that night.
00:27:18.000So this was something that really did happen that the U.S. Attorney General showed up, Not to celebrate justice, but to celebrate really a, as you said, a Soviet-style show trial, kangaroo court, because that was ultimately what we're finding out was what was taking place.
00:27:39.000Now, that doesn't mean, Charlie, that there weren't bad people doing bad things that day.
00:27:43.000That doesn't mean that there weren't people that committed violence.
00:27:47.000There doesn't mean that there weren't people who did assault law enforcement officers.
00:27:52.000I say that I saw, I was there myself that day.
00:27:55.000I saw bad people doing bad things, good people doing good things, and otherwise good people doing some really stupid things when they got caught up in the moment.
00:28:02.000So there's all manner of things that took place.
00:28:04.000And in certain circumstances, some of these people do need to get what's coming to them.
00:28:13.000But on the other hand, there were specific incidences with specific of these defendants who were seemingly now framed up by the government in what I'm calling a star chamber that was convened back in early 2021 to target some of these groups,
00:28:35.000some of these quasi-militia groups to take them out so as to create a narrative and to create a chilling effect against groups forming like the Oath Keepers that were mostly there.
00:28:49.000Well, in fact, almost entirely the Oath Keepers themselves are former law enforcement, retired military.
00:28:55.000And when I say former, some of these are still current law enforcement and military that were members of that group.
00:29:00.000They had over 35,000 paid dues paying members in that group.
00:29:05.000And of course, they effectively dismantled that and sent everybody scurrying to the corners and hiding now.
00:29:13.000So they're not even functioning right now.
00:29:18.000How should we then proceed to try to pursue justice and seek justice when it seems as if the government does not care about facts and instead throwing political dissidents in prison basically for sport and for celebration?
00:29:32.000First of all, every single one of your listeners must contact their congressman.
00:29:36.000We must get all of this video released and we must demand justice.
00:29:40.000We must demand speedy appeals for certain of these cases.
00:29:45.000And we have to make noise and we're going to continue this process.
00:29:48.000Myself as a Blaze contributor, fortunately, I'm working with a larger bullhorn right now than I was even going back during the trial period.
00:29:56.000And so we're going to make a lot of noise about this.
00:29:58.000And we have several more parts of this reveal coming out and showing the American people, in fact, that our own Department of quote unquote justice created false evidence, created and manipulated and served up false testimony against some of these January 6th defendants.
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00:31:27.000I do want to mention, because we've been obviously covering the Israel thing, there is another part that we have to cover here, which is that I stand 100% with Israel.
00:31:38.000But my first and foremost loyalty is, of course, with America.
00:31:42.000And some American politicians, especially on the right, they got crazy talk going on here.
00:31:48.000You should always talk about America first, our borders, our sovereignty, 100%.
00:32:51.000All of this has happened in front of everyone on top of thousands of rockets that hit Israel.
00:32:58.000I'm also going to play this next tape here, but some people in the Republican Party, Nikki Haley continuing, they're more nationalist about Israel than they are about America.
00:33:55.000Because when they did this, when they did this surprise attack, when they took these hostages, when they murdered these families, they were celebrating.
00:35:00.000I think that we should totally support Israel.
00:35:03.000But also, I think that these lunatics with their anti-Jew narrative and rhetoric and these pro-Palestine numbskulls after 800 Jews are murdered, I think that those people shouldn't even be in the country.
00:35:21.000So I guess you find myself in the happy middle.
00:35:57.000Trump has totally earned the ability to talk about this freely.
00:36:00.000But I will say this, that for those of you out there, very few, the neocons, that get super fired up about foreign stuff and you never, ever talk about anything domestic, that's very weird to me.