00:00:08.000And then we have Donald Trump Jr. for his immediate reaction as well on this dark day for America.
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00:01:40.000Listen, it sounds crazy to say it, but at this point, it just sort of feels like ordinary course of business.
00:01:46.000Just another day, another corrupt regime going through the motions.
00:01:52.000You'd never think you could actually see this stuff happening in the United States of America.
00:01:56.000This is the stuff that would make Stalin and Mao blush, and yet it's happening before our very eyes.
00:02:03.000You have prosecutors with terrible, corrupted track records.
00:02:08.000You have a war crimes prosecutor prosecuting something that literally it seems every president in the last half century has done.
00:02:17.000But of course, you know, there's a different standard for Donald Trump than there is for Bill Clinton.
00:02:22.000There seems to be a very different standard for anyone in the Democrat Party versus really the rest of us.
00:02:28.000We're seeing that unfold, and it's just a really sad state of affairs.
00:02:32.000Yeah, Jack Smith was overturned 9-0 at the United States Supreme Court for the whole, I believe it was Terry McAuliffe situation that he was involved in.
00:02:41.000And so there's I think it was, yeah, it was the governor versus the...
00:02:45.000Oh, there's Bob McConnell or something.
00:02:50.000And yeah, 8-0, I guess someone had to recuse themselves that day or was absent.
00:02:54.000But it was, you know, those are the tactics.
00:02:57.000And if you look at the prosecutor actually trying the case down in Miami, she is someone that had to resign from her role in the DOJ for literally wiretapping the defense while prosecuting a crime.
00:03:13.000Wiretapping the attorneys on the other side.
00:03:16.000I mean, think of how corrupt you have to be.
00:03:20.000You have credible evidence of Biden and bribery and whistleblowers and all of the Hunter Biden stuff that no one can explain why he's making millions from the countries that Joe Biden has power of.
00:03:31.000And all of a sudden, magically, he transforms into an international man of business from Crackhead.
00:03:37.000Doesn't happen all that often, but I guess there could be exceptions.
00:04:38.000Listen, it teaches us that they're out for themselves.
00:04:40.000And again, by the way, one day, if they ever get some sort of power, this stuff will be used by Democrats against them.
00:04:49.000In the meantime, they're perfectly fine weaponizing our government to take out the one guy that's going to win, where they have zero chance.
00:04:57.000You saw that with DeSantis last month where, oh, that's not really a big deal.
00:05:02.000It's a sham right before this stuff started hitting.
00:05:07.000It's a shame that those guys are so weak, that they're so controlled, because I really wish we had a deeper bench.
00:05:21.000The second it looks like they have some guts, their donors get a hold of them like they did with DeSantis in Ukraine when he flip-flop and couldn't make up his mind.
00:05:28.000I mean, they're just controlled opposition.
00:05:39.000And they're perfectly content allowing this great miscarriage of justice to go forward as long as it allows them to amass a little bit of power.
00:05:47.000Because honestly, that's what we've seen from the uni party.
00:05:51.000You don't see anyone actually stepping out and fighting these things that are actually from that system because they've done very well with that system.
00:05:58.000That system has allowed otherwise very average individuals to thrive, to attain a lot of power, to get wealthy, to get on boards.
00:06:08.000These are people that have been nothing but bureaucrats.
00:06:42.000Well, listen, whether it's for better or worse, it's just the way we're made up, right, Charlie?
00:06:46.000I mean, I think that's why he's the guy to go back to D.C. He's the guy now with the inside knowledge, with the understanding of how those systems really work, right?
00:07:29.000But we actually need someone who's willing to fight.
00:07:32.000And, you know, again, unfortunately, because I actually believe in this stuff, I wish we had a much deeper bench.
00:07:37.000I wish we had a lot more Republicans that were willing to fight.
00:07:41.000Frankly, you know, for me, as a business guy from the Trump Ward perspective, as a father, hey, it'd be a lot easier if he didn't do this, but we need him to do this because he's the only one that can clean up this very broken and very corrupted system.
00:09:16.000You know, but I think if they do it now and they have success, I imagine this will become the modus operandi for the people in power.
00:09:25.000This is the stuff that our media, our government criticizes when it happens in a place like Russia with Putin or in China.
00:09:35.000And yet it's happening right here in the United States.
00:09:37.000And they're totally content with it because Trump is the one threat to the hegemony that they have and the control and power that they've amassed for no good reason over such a long period of time.
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00:11:12.000Ben Berkwam is with us live from Miami, Florida.
00:11:16.000Ben, what are you hearing and seeing on the ground as things start to heat up there?
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00:12:08.000Well, I'm back home, and now we're getting to work.
00:12:10.000We're making sure that people that want to see change actually make it happen by getting involved in your local county GOP.
00:12:16.000And the way to do that is by becoming a PC or a precinct person.
00:12:20.000So I've met a lot of people out here today that are frustrated by what's going on in the country, what's going on in the party, even, and they are happy to sign up to be a precinct committee person and really make a voice and make a change.
00:14:40.000Because that is really recognizing that the judiciary system against their opponents, it's really never happened in this country before, and it's not supposed to be that way.
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00:17:24.000Joining us now is Professor Alan Dershowitz, author of the very timely book, Get Trump.
00:17:29.000Professor, I joke around last time you were on.
00:17:32.000You happened to write the right book for the right time, my friend.
00:17:35.000I think you have more, just let's say, commentary to give on this book than you probably could have imagined.
00:17:42.000This indictment I have right now, you have called on this program the most serious of all the potential indictments against Donald Trump.
00:17:49.000Do you still feel that way now actually reading the indictment itself?
00:17:54.000I do, especially the provision in which Donald Trump foolishly waved some paper in front of a reporter while he was being recorded by his own staff.
00:18:05.000And he said, I could have declassified this, but I didn't.
00:19:01.000If you can't get him in Florida, get him in Georgia.
00:19:04.000If you can't get him in Georgia, get him in D.C.
00:19:08.000This followed Alfred Bragg saying, I'm going to get him or else don't vote for me for election.
00:19:14.000And he came up with the worst possible weakest indictment ever.
00:19:18.000But this indictment is stronger and his lawyers will have a hard time challenging.
00:19:23.000And he's having a hard time getting lawyers because we have this Project 65 out there, a bunch of radical McCarthyite lawyers who are threatening to disbar any lawyer who represents Donald Trump.
00:19:37.000And many lawyers, I've spoken to them, won't take the Trump case because they are fearful that they will be disciplined by the Bar Association if they do.
00:19:47.000This is a really important point, Professor.
00:20:21.000It's not the sword of Damocles because it's already dropped.
00:20:24.000For example, I wrote an op-ed in which I said, if you go after any lawyers, I will represent them pro bono because this is such an important attack on the Sixth Amendment.
00:20:42.000You know, it's an absurd bar charge, but it's against me.
00:20:46.000And I've spoken to at least three lawyers recently who knew that and understand that they will be attacked and their bar certificates will be questioned if they represent Donald Trump.
00:21:00.000Can you ever get a fair trial under those circumstances?
00:21:06.000It is alleged, and I haven't seen the proof, but it's alleged that one of the prosecutors for the special prosecutor said to the lawyer for the co-defendant, the young Navy man, look, I know you're up for a judgeship in the District of Columbia.
00:21:23.000Maybe you'd have a better chance of getting the judgeship if you flipped your witness and have him cooperate with us.
00:21:29.000If that's true, it should result in the charges against the co-conspirator being dropped.
00:21:34.000So there's a lot of investigative work that has to still be done.
00:21:39.000You know, in my book, Get Trump, I go through every one of the charges, and I prove conclusively this is all part of an effort to try to prevent him from running for president.
00:21:48.000Now we know that Rachel Maddow and some Democrats have urged the prosecution to make a deal with him to drop the charges in exchange for him not running for president.
00:22:00.000What could be better proof that at least as to those people, this is purely partisan and political?
00:22:05.000Now, just really quick as a side note, Professor, is there an effort to try to disbar lawyers if they represent murderers or the Unibomber?
00:22:50.000I don't want to be attacked the way you were for having presented a constitutional defense for Donald Trump under the impeachment clause of the Constitution, a correct constitutional defense.
00:23:03.000So, Professor, if you were representing Donald Trump, how would you go about defending this?
00:23:08.000What do you think is the weakest parts of the indictment?
00:23:10.000You highlighted the strongest potential piece of evidence, which was this on-camera moment of braggadocia, if you will, by the president.
00:23:19.000What do you think are the weakest parts?
00:23:20.000And if you were leading the defense team, how would you go about compartmentalizing and one by one defending if Donald Trump was your client?
00:23:29.000Well, I would be making constitutional arguments about the lawyer-client privilege.
00:23:34.000The lower court in D.C., selected, obviously, by the special prosecutor to go to D.C., where he expected to get a more sympathetic court, ruled that conversations between Trump and his lawyers were not covered by the lawyer-client privilege because they were excluded by the crime for an exception.
00:23:54.000I would challenge that if it were possible to challenge that.
00:23:57.000I would focus a lot on the jury of the year, try to find a jury that would be more objective and more sympathetic.
00:24:04.000I would focus on the moving of the boxes, which seemed to me to be pretty weak evidence.
00:24:12.000He could have easily destroyed the evidence the way Richard Nixon did.
00:24:16.000This case doesn't meet the high standard that was met by Richard Nixon, which led Republicans to call for Nixon's impeachment and removal.
00:24:26.000We're not hearing that from Republicans here, at least from very many Republicans here, because they understand that maybe Trump did things that were wrong, but so did the Department of Justice.
00:24:36.000I read an article yesterday called, What if Both the Department of Justice and Trump are guilty?
00:24:46.000So, Professor, you mentioned the kind of piercing of the veil of attorney-client privilege.
00:24:52.000In your career, have you ever represented a client where either your privilege with a client or somewhere that you've dealt with, that was done?
00:25:02.000Have you ever dealt with a situation like this before?
00:25:05.000I have many times, and I won the leading case, two leading cases on that.
00:25:10.000In my own case, when I represented Klaus Von Bulo and wrote a book about it, there was an argument that my writing the book broke the privilege, and the courts ruled that that wasn't true.
00:26:37.000And of course, the special prosecutor did judge shopping to get the right result.
00:26:41.000He should have brought those arguments in Florida where the case was going to be tried.
00:26:47.000But instead, he broke the case into two and he made the legal arguments in the District of Columbia, expecting a more sympathetic hearing.
00:26:54.000And then he went to Florida where he had to go because that's where the venue in the case is.
00:26:59.000By the way, that's what I would challenge too.
00:27:01.000I would challenge bringing those issues in Florida as judge shopping and forum shopping and say that the results in that case shouldn't be collateral estoppel or however you want to call it in in the Florida case.
00:27:16.000I don't know that that's a winning argument, but it's an argument I have.
00:27:19.000Well, I think it's a brilliant point, which is they were able to go venue shopping to get a judge to be able to pierce the attorney-client veil that otherwise would not have been approved, maybe in Florida, to build up the case.
00:27:31.000And then they actually file the charges, and so they broke it into two parts.
00:27:36.000I hadn't heard anyone say that before.
00:27:38.000To me, that doesn't pass the smell test.
00:27:53.000Ultimately, three lawyers I spoke to recently won't take the case because they're fearful of being attacked and losing their bar and losing their family and friends.
00:28:06.000I lived through McCarthyism, where lawyers who defended people who were accused of being communism were canceled in every possible way.
00:28:13.000And now current lawyers, even lawyers like me who are not pro-Trump, who voted against him twice, and who insist on my constitutional right to vote against him a third time, I don't want that interfered with by prosecutors or judges or juries.
00:28:26.000I want the right to vote against him on the merits for the third time.
00:28:31.000So, Professor, I want to ask you about one of the components here.
00:28:34.000What do you have to say about the potential defense that Trump can declassify any document and he decides to remove the Presidential Records Act component of this?
00:29:12.000Now, you can have personal records that are also classified records, and the President's Record Act doesn't contain any criminal penalties.
00:29:19.000It contains a civil way of resolving disputes.
00:29:25.000But it doesn't really directly, directly impinge or say anything about the Espionage Act, which is, of course, a misnamed act.
00:31:06.000And of course, jurors look askance on flip witnesses because they know that prosecutors can coerce witnesses not only into singing, but into composing and making up lyrics and music sometimes.
00:31:17.000So jurors are very skeptical of flip witnesses.
00:31:21.000Finally, is there an equal protection claim here that other people in similar positions were not criminally indicted?
00:31:27.000Does that fall on deaf ears to a judge if there was a motion?
00:31:35.000If you do it on religious grounds, no.
00:31:37.000But if you argue that, you know, Hillary Clinton should have been indicted and Joe Biden should have been indicted, that won't work because the facts are very, very different.
00:31:47.000It works in the court of political opinion, but not necessarily in a court of law.