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00:03:56.000I visit it every day, and it's very interesting.
00:03:59.000It's somewhat of a news aggregator, but also more than that, you guys are breaking your own news.
00:04:05.000You texted me this story last week, and I was doing like 500 different things at once, and you said you had a big thing coming.
00:04:12.000And so usually when people say that, it's like, yeah, okay, well, you actually had a really big story, and it somewhat broke the internet and had tech companies involved and people responding to accusations that didn't exist.
00:04:25.000Walk us through in detail how you came across this story.
00:04:37.000So, yeah, this revolver.news investigative piece, just to give people a flavor of the magnitude of this, I've heard from many people this is the most important and the darkest piece of investigative journalism they've seen in years.
00:04:53.000And it does explore some extremely disturbing possibilities.
00:04:58.000But the whole reason I think this is important and that it's worth the risk and it's worth talking about is that the American people really deserve to know the truth about 1.6.
00:05:11.000And we've all heard, I think, by now about the case of Ashley Babbitt, who was shot in cold blood by some kind of officer.
00:05:24.000It's not just on behalf of the hundreds of political protesters on January 6th who are now being held in solitary confinement in horrible conditions, human rights violation level conditions, as has been reported by Julie Kelly, who's done great work on this.
00:05:48.000It's for the 70 plus million people who are Trump voters, Trump supporters, or who simply disagree with our corrupt ruling class, who have been designated now by our own government as de facto domestic terrorists.
00:06:05.000And the media apparatus and the government is using 1.6 to facilitate that very narrative.
00:06:14.000And so that's what's at stake in getting to the bottom of 1.6, getting to the truth of 1.6.
00:06:20.000And the way this revolver.news piece sets up the question here is to say the key to unlocking the truth about 1.6 is the following question.
00:06:32.000Of the major militia groups that the government has imputed to 1.6, oath keepers, proud boys, three percenters, to what degree was there infiltration involved?
00:06:47.000Secondly, to put an even finer point on it, of the unindicted persons mentioned in the charging documents related to 1.6, to those who are actually indicted, the people referenced who aren't indicted,
00:07:02.000who occupy senior positions of said militias, to what extent do they remain unindicted on the basis of a prior relationship with the federal government as either an informant or an undercover operative?
00:07:18.000And to put it simply, since the establishment has coalesced around this narrative that 1.6 was a result of an intelligence failure, we had uniquely bad security and they just had no idea there was a potential for violence.
00:07:32.000Do we accept the FBI director Christopher Wray's position that this was an intelligence failure?
00:07:39.000Or is the truth more along the lines of what this revolver.news piece suggests, which is that it's actually an intelligence setup?
00:07:49.000So you were the first news outlet to kind of say what everyone was sort of suspecting out loud.
00:07:56.000Can you walk through some of the evidence that you presented in this story at Revolver Not News that caught the attention of Tucker Carlson and he ran with it probably quicker and more forcefully than I bet you even anticipated, where he led with it, doubled down on it, and tripled down on it.
00:08:16.000Can you walk through the evidence in great detail to some people that are just saying, oh, this is just another theory.
00:08:28.000And right before I get into that, I want to jump on something you mentioned as you set out the question, which is we'd all kind of been thinking about this, but this piece really laid it out and articulates it in extensive detail and with persuasive force.
00:08:46.000I think this really goes to show how important it is to have the right narrative and how we can be completely distracted, just spinning our wheels if we're just kind of close to the right narrative, but not quite there.
00:09:03.000As I mentioned, there's been great reporting exposing the unjust conditions that a lot of the protesters are now suffering under.
00:09:12.000There's been a lot of reporting basically affirming the general truth that many of the people who participated in generous X, even who went into the Capitol building when the doors were open, were not domestic terrorists.
00:09:26.000They were basically tourists taking selfies.
00:09:30.000That's been another kind of narrative.
00:09:32.000And there's been another narrative that a lot of the people who were most egregiously involved, that they were Antifa or leftists or something like this.
00:09:42.000And all of those narratives just didn't really quite catch on.
00:09:46.000They didn't touch the nerve that this narrative of is it an Intel failure or an Intel setup.
00:09:54.000But once we're over that narrative, you see how the media has absolutely freaked out.
00:10:00.000And it reinforces the reality here that finding the right narrative, pinpointing on just what is the key that unlocks the real truth to this, the profound effect and the profound difference that can make.
00:10:14.000So I just want to point out that since this piece came out, the narrative is no longer, oh, they were taking selfies or, oh, it was a bunch of left-wing Antifa people.
00:10:23.000The narrative now, the question now, the only question that matters that we need to pursue until we have answers is what did the elements in the government know?
00:11:18.000We only need to go back three months before this so-called storming of the Capitol in 1.6 to this Michigan kidnapping plot, which maybe people sort of vaguely remember, but not really because the news cycle is so accelerated and crazy.
00:11:37.000So what is this Michigan kidnapping plot?
00:11:39.000Well, the parallels to 1.6 are striking.
00:11:43.000In the Michigan kidnapping plot, that is this plot to kidnap the governor of Michigan, this plot also involved storming the Michigan state capitol.
00:11:59.000And many of the key players indicted on this plot or imputed to this plot are said by the government to be members of one of the three main militia groups imputed to 1.6.
00:12:28.000Well, of the 18 people who are plotters in this or said to be plotters involved in the plot, we know now for a fact that at least five of that 18 are federal informants or undercover agents.
00:12:47.000And the fifth actually revealed himself in a spectacular fashion, which we cover in more detail in the Revolver.news piece.
00:12:55.000So we have, oh yes, and for the cherry on top, and this is really the best part.
00:13:01.000The head of the Michigan infiltration operation, the head of the Detroit FBI field office who ran that infiltration operation, Stephen D'Antono.
00:13:14.000Just days after these so-called plotters were arrested, FBI Director Christopher Wray quietly and suspiciously promoted D'Antoono from the Detroit field office to the coveted DC field office, where he went on to oversee, you guessed it, the investigation into 1.6.
00:13:35.000So I'm saying that is a heck of a coincidence.
00:13:38.000We have just months before the 1.6 storming of the Capitol, a plot to storm the Michigan state capitol involving one of the main militia groups imputed to 1.6, and where the head of that infiltration operation was subsequently promoted to investigate 1.6.
00:13:58.000And they had a Fed infiltration ratio of five out of 18 at least and maybe even more.
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00:15:18.000So Darren, let's go through the three different kind of buckets throughout your piece.
00:15:22.000Things we know, things we think we know, and things we don't know that we need to find out.
00:15:32.000For example, I'm going to read from your piece.
00:15:34.000There are what appears to be upwards of 20 unindicted co-conspirators in the Oathkeepers indictments, all playing various roles in the conspiracy, who have not yet been charged for virtually the exact same activities, and in some cases, much more severe activities as those named alongside the indictments.
00:15:52.000So we know there's 20 of these people.
00:15:54.000Now, some people will say, oh, we're not going to name them because they might eventually get indicted.
00:16:07.000It's a very good, very important question.
00:16:09.000And to set up the answer to that question, I'd like to say a little bit about how I set up the argument.
00:16:15.000All that stuff I just said about Michigan, I'm not saying all this stuff happened in Michigan and the logical conclusion is it necessarily happened in 1.6.
00:16:27.000I simply adduce the example of Michigan to help reinforce the intuition and help to underscore the pressing plausibility of the 1.6 thesis to those who might initially be skeptical.
00:16:55.000To understand why the unindicted persons are important and why the fact that they're unindicted is important and suspicious, you have to understand the standard of prosecution that's applied to many of the people who are actually indicted.
00:17:14.000Now, one of the lead people in prosecutions called Michael Sherwin, he said in an interview very smugly, with great self-satisfaction, that he was going to apply a quote, shock and awe standard of prosecution to these 1.6 cases, invoking wartime terminology from the Iraq War, believe it or not, which is striking in and of itself,
00:17:42.000given how they're trying to use 1.6 to push this new Patriot Act, only this time against Patriots.
00:17:48.000So, what does this shock and awe standard of prosecution mean?
00:17:52.000Well, to illustrate, I would offer the case of George Tanios, who is facing 60 years in prison.
00:18:00.000He's this sandwich shop owner who is around the Capitol, around the melee.
00:18:07.000He was around the Capitol as all the skirmishes were going on.
00:18:11.000He had bear spray in his bag or in his coat.
00:18:17.000And his companion went to him and said, Is it time I want to get the bear spray and potentially use it against some of the officers in the course of this melee?
00:18:29.000George Tannios responded to his companion: No, no, not yet.
00:18:36.000On the basis of saying no, no, not yet to his companion who wanted to grab the bear spray, George Tanios faces 60 years for conspiracy to assault an officer.
00:18:48.000Now, an additional detail, which makes this even more outrageous, is that the whole reason that this bear spray was an issue in the media at all was that an original 1.6 narrative, which Revolver.news exposed, collapsed.
00:19:04.000And that was the narrative that Officer Sicknick was bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher by the MAGA mob.
00:19:12.000Once that was falsified, largely by the reporting of Revolver.news, also Julie Kelly and others, they shifted the official narrative to he died of bear spray.
00:19:26.000Revolver.news did a next report doing a very detailed comparative image analysis saying there's no way he died of bear spray.
00:19:40.000So, and now the official story is that SickNick died of natural causes.
00:19:45.000And so you have this guy, George Tanios, who's facing 60 years for saying no, no, not yet, when his friend wanted to grab bear spray, where the officer that they originally said was basically murdered by the bear spray wasn't even hit by bearspray.
00:20:02.000I think this shock and awe standard prosecution is an outrage.
00:20:06.000But the reason it's relevant to this argument in the Revolver.news piece is it's saying, why is it the case that somebody like George Tanios is facing 60 years for saying no, no, not yet?
00:20:20.000And then we have this list of unindicted persons listed in the charging documents whose behaviors and actions seem to be far more egregious than that of George Tannios and many, many others indicted.
00:20:40.000And one explanation for this, and I think a strong explanation of this, is that some of those people, in particular those who occupy senior-level positions within these key militia groups, that some of those people are unindicted as a result of a prior relationship with the federal government as an informant or as an undercover agent.
00:21:08.000And one last thing before I stop this spiel is the argument that I've seen so many straw men in response to this piece, which the media is just freaking out.
00:21:21.000One of the strawmen, which is the absolute most ridiculous, is saying just because charging documents refer to someone as person X, person Y, person Z, an individual, that doesn't necessarily mean they're a federal agent.
00:21:35.000I never claimed that, and of course it doesn't.
00:21:38.000The point isn't, the argument isn't, oh, they're referred to as person X, therefore they're necessarily an agent.
00:21:44.000The argument is: how do we explain the double standard between the shock and awe prosecutions of people like George Tanios and the lack of indictment for many of these people listed as persons X, Y, Z who occupy senior positions within these militia groups who are not indicted?
00:22:05.000So now let's talk about things that we think we know.
00:22:08.000If this was the case, Darren, and there were 20 people that were potentially undercover that were doing whatever it might be, is this standard operating procedure for federal law enforcement?
00:22:22.000That when the president speaks, is this standard operating procedure for the FBI to have informants?
00:22:28.000I'm trying to make the most, let's say, fair question I can, Darren, to try to say, what is the counter to this?
00:22:35.000Well, the president's speaking, therefore, we might want to try to diffuse threats or keep eyes on them.
00:22:41.000Is there something to be said, though, that maybe some of those 20 were encouraging or inciting?
00:22:48.000And do we have any detail about those 20 unindicted co-conspirators that might be on federal government payroll, or maybe they had a prior arrangement, or maybe they were working in tandem or conjunction about them?
00:23:00.000Do we know anything about these individuals?
00:23:07.000And just to clarify, my position, the Revolver.news article's position, is not that we are absolutely sure that every single person who's unindicted who's referenced in the charging documents is a federal agent.
00:23:25.000Every single person is not a federal agent.
00:23:27.000The argument isn't anyone who's unindicted who's listing in the documents is a federal agent.
00:23:33.000The argument is there are senior people in the militias who may be mentioned in these charging documents who are not indicted that I have extreme suspicions about, but that's kind of something for a subsequent bombshell report.
00:23:53.000But as to the point of wouldn't we expect federal agents to be around to have security?
00:24:00.000This isn't about undercover agents who are in a crowd, who are, especially when the president is present, there's secret service.
00:24:09.000There are all kinds of people that you expect to be around to provide security.
00:24:14.000This is about people who belong to the main militia groups in senior positions who have had a long term, who may have had a long-term cooperative relationship with the federal government, either as an undercover agent or as an informant.
00:24:29.000So this isn't speaking to the necessity for security officials at a big crowd.
00:24:37.000This is speaking to, given that this term insurrection is really most closely connected with the militia groups, Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, 3%ers,
00:24:51.000it would be a remarkable thing if senior members of these said militia groups turned out to be federal agents or informants because these are the groups that they're blaming for the insurrection, effectively.
00:25:10.000And we know that this has been, this has happened before in Bureau history.
00:25:14.000We know this happened with certain dissident groups.
00:25:17.000I don't want to call it dissident, but groups that were not viewed favorably, especially free speech groups in the 60s and 70s, Martin Luther King Jr., black nationalist organizations.
00:25:31.000This would not be, let's just say, uncharted territory.
00:25:37.000I suppose, and some of the response to these things have been really interesting because Twitter came out and they said, they didn't say Tucker was wrong in response to your story.
00:25:47.000They said Tucker said, well, it was something like, you can't go to jail for cooperating with a federal agent.
00:25:58.000The point is, to what extent did our own government have information or knowledge, involvement, or potentially, God forbid, encouragement for this sort of activity?
00:26:12.000Was there some sort of buildup of a pattern of behavior where this could have been stopped short, maybe in the weeks ahead of time?
00:26:27.000And I want to get to that category now, Darren, which is: wait a second, were federal agents potentially participating, not federal agents or federal agents or federal informants that have cooperative relationships?
00:26:38.000And they're somewhat indistinguishable, if that makes sense, right?
00:26:43.000I mean, in the sense that in some ways, were they raising the temperature?
00:26:53.000Raising the temperature or even serving as linchpins of the whole organizational apparatus that constitutes what could remotely be construed as an insurrectionist aspect of 1.6.
00:27:11.000The only kind of organizational, kind of militia-like element comes from these three groups.
00:27:19.000And these three groups have been around for a long time.
00:27:22.000And in fact, this is not breaking, this is just known that the head of the Proud Boys, it's been reported that he has a history of a cooperative relationship with the FBI, which is a very interesting Tario or something.
00:27:40.000Enrique Tario, this is, he's not the subject of our piece.
00:27:44.000This is sort of a side story, but it's been reported that the head of the Proud Boys was actually a federal informant at least at some stage in his life.
00:27:55.000And it's very curious, just as a side note, that this head of the Proud Boys, who is a federal informant, he gets in, he flies into DC airports, technically in Virginia.
00:28:08.000And I guess he drives into allegedly, this is from reports, he drives into DC and apparently he's arrested for some kind of weapons charge.
00:28:23.000And it just makes me think, and a lot of people think this is very convenient to have the head of the Proud Boys off the table right before January 6th.
00:28:35.000What better excuse to have him say, oh, you know, I'm not able to be around guys.
00:28:41.000You know, it's a very suspicious thing.
00:28:45.000And it's actually interesting that Stephen DiAntono, the guy I mentioned who was promoted from the Detroit field office to the DC field office, he actually references the arrest of Tario as an example of an intelligence success that, oh, we arrested this guy right leading up to January 6th, when in fact,
00:29:13.000I think an alternative explanation for this is that this was a way to get him off the table before 1.6, which you could tell his people, okay, this is why I wasn't around.
00:29:31.000The thing about just speaking generally about people who have an informant role is their job is to get other people to cross the line.
00:29:40.000Their job is to get other people across the line.
00:29:43.000And there tends to be a track record of these types getting off completely or getting relatively minor charged where everyone around them gets hit with very serious indictments.
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00:31:10.000So, I have a question, Darren, and I just want to make something very clear for all the smear merchants and the corporate types that don't like to think outside of the framework that we're only allowed to talk about things is that you are not, and you have never said definitively that you think this is a false flag operation.
00:31:38.000What was the final point of which you said this right here in this document that has been revealed is the piece that has now said I'm going to go public?
00:31:49.000Can you just talk about some of the information, the hard information that you saw and your team saw that then compelled you to go public with this series of questions?
00:32:01.000And was it a charging document that you saw?
00:32:28.000But other than the part that I can't fully reveal now, I think, again, this is, I'm not claiming that this is definitive proof, but I think the Michigan case, the fact that nobody had ever talked about the Michigan plot in relation to 1.6 was absolutely remarkable, given the striking parallels.
00:32:50.000And that in conjunction with this shock and awe standard of prosecution applied to, you know, virtually speaking, you know, that you had people standing around within a radius of the Capitol who are now just languishing in solitary confinement.
00:33:06.000And then I noticed people who are unindicted who would seem to, by the shock and awe standard, be indicted.
00:33:14.000And just knowing the history of how these things play out, knowing how Michigan played out, it looked deeply suspicious.
00:33:22.000And so that definitely increased my confidence level.
00:33:29.000And the confidence level was extremely robust prior to publication.
00:33:35.000But if it could get any better, the confidence level is only enhanced by the response that this has received from the media, because I think the objections given are so weak and so hedged and basically set up to say, okay, well, maybe there were some informants in some way, which gets us to another thing you raised is saying, am I claiming this is a false flag or not?
00:34:01.000I mean, false flag is not, it has no precise definition.
00:34:06.000Like, what is, what's the definition of a false flag?
00:34:09.000I'm saying that key people and senior positions of the major militia groups, which both the Pentagon, the Department of Justice, the FBI, our regime media have said these are the organizations that are these militia groups most directly responsible for 1.6.
00:34:29.000If it turns out that senior people in those groups are actually federal informants or undercover agents, you can call that whatever you want.
00:34:39.000You can call it a false flag, call it something else.
00:34:42.000But that's a more precise formulation of the possibility that I'm exploring here.
00:34:49.000And so I think that's a really important clarification.
00:36:41.000I mean, this is this particular issue.
00:36:44.000I haven't looked into it in extreme depth.
00:36:47.000And so I can't speak on that with any special expertise, but I can say generally, it's been extremely suspicious how parsimonious the government has been with its footage, given that in many other contexts, they seem to be interested in this like crowdsourced investigation to catch any, you know, MAGA mom that was standing within, you know,
00:37:15.000a mile and a half of the Capitol on that day and throw her into solitary confinement.
00:37:19.000So it's really weird that in the case of the pipe bomber, they're not so generous with their footage.
00:37:24.000And in the case of a lot of stuff going on inside the Capitol, they're not generous, especially given that we've seen footage that looks like they just opened the doors to these people.
00:37:35.000And that's another, again, this is all part of the same narrative, but how is it that the U.S. Capitol building had uniquely poor security on that very day?
00:38:10.000And so PolitiFact says, quote, under almost all circumstances, experts say undercover government operatives and informants cannot be described in government filings as unindicted co-conspirators.
00:38:22.000The main reason, a component of a criminal conspiracy, is the agreement to commit a crime.
00:38:29.000That isn't what undercover operatives do.
00:38:32.000Well, again, this is what I'm saying is my confidence level increases when I see the weakness of this claim.
00:38:39.000Let's pretend for a second I can get into the kind of nuance explanation about this, or I can just begin with conceding, what if they're right?
00:38:51.000What if they're right about this point?
00:38:55.000All that means is that there's no one in the charging documents who's listed with the specific and exact phrase, unindicted co-conspirator, who is an agent.
00:39:09.000That doesn't say maybe there's someone listed as person X, person Y, person Z, an individual, someone referenced in the charging documents who occupies a senior position in one of these militias, who is not indicted on the basis of being a federal informant or agent.
00:39:30.000So they're putting all of their cards onto this technicality that, oh, maybe there were federal agents who were senior positions who are referenced in the charging documents, but they don't happen to be referred to with the exact technical phrase unindicted co-conspirator.
00:39:47.000Well, why aren't they listed as a conspirator?
00:39:49.000They're not listed as conspirator because they're federal agent.
00:39:55.000And that's the thing they're not willing to answer.
00:39:58.000And so I want to end with this, Darren.
00:40:00.000A lot of lawmakers listen to this program.
00:40:06.000Well, I do need to congratulate and acknowledge Paul Gosar, who entered the Revolver.news report into the congressional record, and he's been pressing on this.
00:40:20.000I also like to acknowledge the great Matt Gates, who has taken the questions from this Revolver.news report and formulated them in a letter to FBI Director Christopher Wray demanding answers to these very pointed questions.
00:40:39.000And so this is a start in the sense that it takes the issue to the congressional level and it creates an opportunity for, for instance, all of your listeners who are disturbed by this, who want answers to this, pressure your representative to sign on to Matt Gates' letter here to get answers.
00:40:59.000At the very least, that's an important action item to do.
00:41:03.000There are other action items in the future, perhaps subpoenas.
00:41:07.000There are a lot of things on the table.
00:41:09.000But the first step, I think the big step is reformulating the conversation of what's relevant about 1.6.
00:41:18.000What's relevant about 1.6 now is only one thing.
00:41:21.000Was this an intelligence failure or is it an intelligence setup?
00:41:25.000We need to focus like a laser on that question and demand answers from Christopher Wray and other government agencies.
00:41:35.000And I also want to add to that, Senator Johnson, Ron Johnson, has been very good on this, especially in the solitary confinement and the demanding of footage.
00:41:46.000And I want to make sure I add that because he's been.
00:41:49.000And as long as I'm on this program, I would call on Senator Rand Paul to take this up.
00:41:54.000It seemed like an issue that would be right in his wheelhouse.
00:41:57.000He's certainly familiar with the historical abuses of these very agencies that we're talking about.
00:42:04.000And so I would hope that he would do the right thing, what he knows is the right thing, and take this issue up and lend his platform and his imprimatur to the question.