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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk Show, there's California teacher unions that are recruiting children to go into LGBT groups.

00:00:08.000 This remarkable, shocking revelation.

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00:02:44.000 So I want to get into this story.

00:02:46.000 This is a this is an important story, and it's for every parent out there, whether you are now.

00:02:53.000 If you're homeschooling your kid, then this story won't really apply.

00:02:56.000 But if you, if your student is in private school or public school, this is a very, very important piece by Abigail Schreier.

00:03:03.000 I've been wanting to have her on the show for a while.

00:03:05.000 I think she wrote War on Girls, or she wrote a really good book.

00:03:08.000 She's been on Tucker a couple times.

00:03:11.000 The story's a couple weeks old, but I've been wanting to dive into it for quite some time.

00:03:15.000 There's just so much other news happening, the country falling apart for one, that we didn't really get a chance to get into this.

00:03:22.000 So it's on her sub stack.

00:03:25.000 I want to make sure I give her credit.

00:03:26.000 AbigailSchreier.substack.com.

00:03:30.000 Now, you might say, Charlie, this is only, you know, pertained for California.

00:03:34.000 Maybe you're listening right now on KTIE, the wonderful flagship of freedom in San Bernardino, Riverside Inland Empire area.

00:03:41.000 Maybe you're listening on KRLA and you say, wow, this pertains to California.

00:03:46.000 Or maybe you're listening right now on AM560, The Answer of Chicago, and you say, ah, that's California.

00:03:50.000 No, no, no.

00:03:51.000 This is going to come everywhere.

00:03:52.000 This sort of playbook of what we're seeing happen in schools is going to spread all across the country.

00:03:58.000 Now, I'm going to ask Jack Pasobic this when he comes on our show.

00:04:02.000 And I ask this: I say, do you believe the Arizona Christian University study that says that 40% of young students are LGBT?

00:04:12.000 Do you believe that, Jack?

00:04:13.000 Thumb up or thumb down, like a Roman Emperor. 0.68

00:04:15.000 Thumb down?

00:04:16.000 Commodus says no.

00:04:18.000 You think that's not true?

00:04:20.000 We've had conflicting emails coming in, freedom at charliekirk.com, where they say, Charlie, my ninth grader, at least half the kids identify as gay or lesbian.

00:04:30.000 I find that hard to believe.

00:04:31.000 I personally don't believe it.

00:04:34.000 And the question is, though, is there an effort, is there a top-down effort to try and recruit more people into the LGBTQSA RSTUV circle, the Alphabet Mafia circle?

00:04:52.000 Leaked documents and audio from the California Teachers Association conference reveal efforts to subvert parents on gender identity and sexual orientation.

00:05:05.000 Documents and audio authenticated by three conference participants permitted a rare insight into the California Teacher Association sold out event in Palm Springs held in late October.

00:05:19.000 Of course, it's in Palm Springs.

00:05:21.000 The 2021 LGBTQ Plus Issues Conference, Beyond the Binary, Identity and Imagining Possibilities.

00:05:30.000 Quote, have the courage to create a safe environment that fosters bravery to explore sexual orientation, gender identity, and expression.

00:05:41.000 And what it goes through in this California Teacher Association hosted seminar is how these teachers are trained to start these gay groups in school, lie to parents about them, and actually recruit kids to come into them.

00:06:04.000 Quote, Buena Vista middle school teacher and LGBTQ club leader, Alphabet Mafia ally, Lori Caldiera, says, quote, because our clubs are not official, we have no club rosters and we keep no records.

00:06:20.000 Quote, in fact, sometimes we don't really want to keep records, quote, because if parents get upset that their kids are coming, we're like, yeah, I don't know, maybe they came.

00:06:29.000 So they're teaching parents not to keep rosters of who comes to their gay groups.

00:06:34.000 They're gay, straight alliance groups.

00:06:37.000 And they're not even gay, straight alliance groups. 0.66

00:06:39.000 These are just LGBTQ gay groups.

00:06:43.000 The advice to those who run middle school LGBT groups is, quote, this is what they taught.

00:06:49.000 Keep no records so you could plead ignorance of the membership with the members' families.

00:06:55.000 Caldiera and Baraki, both middle school teachers, these are middle schoolers, by the way, sixth, seventh, and eighth graders, led a workshop titled, quote, how we run GSA in conservative communities.

00:07:07.000 You see that?

00:07:08.000 The California Teacher Association, the Teacher Union of Flora of California, is teaching fellow teachers in Palm Springs how to infiltrate conservative communities and start these gay activist groups.

00:07:27.000 In that address, the speakers describe the challenges for activist teachers working in the context of politically mixed community in Central California with many conservative parents.

00:07:38.000 Now, this is the most remarkable part of the story: is that the teachers in this seminar are admitting that they expand their gay membership, their LGBT whatever membership, by doing the following: quote, this is leaked audio.

00:07:58.000 So we started to brainstorm at the end of the 2020 school year.

00:08:02.000 What are we going to do?

00:08:03.000 We got to see some kids in person at the end of last year.

00:08:07.000 Not many, but a few.

00:08:09.000 So we started to try and identify new kids.

00:08:13.000 When we were doing our virtual learning, quote, we totally stalked the kids and what they were doing on Google when they weren't doing schoolwork.

00:08:23.000 One of them was Googling Trans Day of Visibility.

00:08:26.000 And we're like, Check, we're going to invite that kid when we get back on campus.

00:08:32.000 Whenever they follow Google Doodle links or whatever, right, we make note of those kids and the things they bring up with each other in chats or email or whatever.

00:08:43.000 Baraki can heard to be said.

00:08:46.000 Beyond electronic surveillance of kids' internet use, quote, we use our observations of kids in the classroom, conversations that we hear, to personally invite students because that's really the way we kind of get bodies through the door.

00:09:00.000 You see, the alphabet mafia is not about catering to pre-existing gay children. 0.76

00:09:06.000 It's about finding new recruits.

00:09:10.000 Maybe that 40% number is not outside of the realm of possibility.

00:09:15.000 For those paying attention, the educators who guide California teachers, Abigail Schreier writes, in the creation of middle school LGBTQ clubs, asserted the following: quote, they struggle to maintain student participation in clubs.

00:09:30.000 Caldiera gushes about her student team she assembled to help with her morning announcements.

00:09:35.000 Quote, three of the kids on the team, two of them are non-binary, and the other one is just very fluid in every way.

00:09:40.000 She's fabulous.

00:09:41.000 So it's actually a nice group.

00:09:43.000 These people are creeps, by the way, these teachers.

00:09:46.000 They should be working with Chris Cuomo's producer, right, Check?

00:09:50.000 For those of you who aren't running or thinking of running your own gay club, always remember that the youth are the drivers of change, Caldeera said.

00:09:59.000 If you want to bring a new world into existence, it's a good place to start with other people's kids.

00:10:08.000 Let me say that again.

00:10:09.000 Caldeira says, quote, if you want to bring a new world into existence, a good place to start is with other people's kids.

00:10:18.000 Caldiera learned from Parent Backlash saying, quote, next year, we're going to do a little mind trick on our sixth graders. 0.97

00:10:25.000 They were the last to go through this presentation, and the gender stuff was the last thing we talked about.

00:10:29.000 So next year, they're going to be first with this presentation.

00:10:32.000 The gender stuff was the first thing they hear about.

00:10:34.000 Hopefully to mitigate, you know, these kind of responses.

00:10:39.000 The seminar was literally called brought to you by the conservative teacher, the California Teachers Association, quote, How We Run a GSA in Conservative Communities.

00:10:50.000 She says, You know, we've always acted with great integrity, and we've never crossed a line.

00:10:55.000 We wanted to, but we never have.

00:10:59.000 You send your kid to public school in California or otherwise, there might be teachers trying to recruit your kid into an LGBTQ plus group.

00:11:13.000 Is that where you want your taxpayer dollars going?

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00:12:21.000 How many genders are there? 1.00

00:12:23.000 Two.

00:12:24.000 How many scoops of ice cream does Donald Trump get?

00:12:27.000 Two.

00:12:28.000 How many Supreme Court justices did Trump put on the Supreme Court?

00:12:31.000 Three.

00:12:32.000 See?

00:12:33.000 Took you off guard there.

00:12:35.000 There are two genders.

00:12:36.000 It's that simple.

00:12:37.000 We've been saying that at Turning Point USA for quite some time.

00:12:40.000 And I remember I went to Indiana University in Pennsylvania.

00:12:44.000 That's actually what's called IUP.

00:12:47.000 Great place.

00:12:48.000 Remember that, Connor?

00:12:49.000 I wore the Dare Are Two Genders shirt. 0.98

00:12:51.000 They lost their mind.

00:12:52.000 It was extraordinary.

00:12:54.000 Now, some people say, oh, Charlie, what's the big difference?

00:12:57.000 Who cares if people want to be whatever gender they want to be? 1.00

00:13:01.000 That's libertarian happy talk, is what that is.

00:13:05.000 But let's pretend they're right.

00:13:07.000 We always knew that they were then going to come after the opinion that you dare said that there were two genders. 0.97

00:13:14.000 A New Hampshire teenager is suing a school district after he was suspended from sports saying that there are only two genders.

00:13:22.000 The Exeter high school freshman said in a lawsuit that he was hit with a one-game football suspension stemming from a text conversation he had with a student off school grounds.

00:13:34.000 He was denied playing football because he said there are two genders.

00:13:39.000 A female student overheard the discussion and allegedly told the student that there are more than two genders. 1.00

00:13:43.000 He said, no, there isn't.

00:13:44.000 There are only two genders. 0.99

00:13:46.000 Sounds like a smart kid.

00:13:47.000 School Superintendent David Ryan told the Associated Press that the school is reviewing the complaint quote and that we'll share a statement once we've completed that review.

00:13:55.000 So if your kid or grandkid goes to a public school and says that there are two genders, you very well might get suspended.

00:14:08.000 I had someone tell me recently, because I've been a huge critic against masking children in schools.

00:14:17.000 And I had someone say, well, Charlie, the kids are getting used to it.

00:14:20.000 Well, of course.

00:14:21.000 Kids can get used to anything.

00:14:25.000 That's why you must develop them.

00:14:27.000 You must send them out into the world in the way of which that is based in character and eternal truth.

00:14:38.000 If you want to listen to an amazing conversation with my friend and colleague, Dennis Prager, and I still want to have her on the show, Yemeni Park.

00:14:47.000 She's terrific.

00:14:49.000 And Yemeni Park grew up in North Korea. 0.97

00:14:54.000 Now, I think a lot of the conversation on North Korea gets to be a little cliche.

00:14:58.000 She had a great conversation on Rogan, by the way.

00:15:02.000 But Jack said it's okay.

00:15:04.000 It's a CSE.

00:15:05.000 Fine.

00:15:05.000 Yemeni Park with Dennis Prager was phenomenal.

00:15:10.000 Because there was one part where she explained, growing up in North Korea and growing up in an unfree country, once she got into China, she escaped into China, being brutally raped, and then came to America.

00:15:24.000 When she was in America, she was in South Korea because there's a whole program in South Korea to reassimilate North Koreans.

00:15:30.000 And she sat in a room and she had to build up the capacity to think.

00:15:40.000 She had never thought in her life.

00:15:43.000 She could not think for more than 90 seconds.

00:15:45.000 She would just always do what she was told.

00:15:47.000 Now, what do you mean by that?

00:15:48.000 She couldn't explore ideas.

00:15:51.000 She couldn't use the logical prefrontal cortex of her brain.

00:15:56.000 Everything that she was doing was just automatic, like an animal.

00:15:59.000 Pleasure and pain, pleasure and pain, pleasure and pain.

00:16:02.000 But Aristotle famously said that animals can feel pleasure and pain.

00:16:06.000 Human beings can see good from evil.

00:16:08.000 When she was in North Korea, she never thought deeply or thought at all about what was good and what was evil. 0.88

00:16:16.000 Ever.

00:16:17.000 She never thought of what was beautiful and what was ugly.

00:16:20.000 What was right and what was wrong?

00:16:22.000 What was temporal and what was eternal.

00:16:25.000 She'd never done that before.

00:16:26.000 She was simply a farm animal.

00:16:30.000 Similar to a certain book that a certain person wrote, Animal Farm.

00:16:36.000 Yet when she escaped into the Western world, all of a sudden she had to not just build the physical muscle mass because that was rather deteriorated, but she thought to herself, I have to make so many decisions.

00:16:48.000 What shoes to wear?

00:16:49.000 What to go eat?

00:16:50.000 What to say to people?

00:16:52.000 You see, people can get used to anything.

00:16:57.000 Mask wearing, vaccines, all of this are an attempt to do one thing: eradicate the singularity and freedom of your child and an individual.

00:17:10.000 We have seen and witnessed a complete and total metaphysical takeover of people's souls, their spirits, and now even their bodies.

00:17:22.000 I have not heard a good explanation of a parent who sends their kid to a school that still requires masks.

00:17:29.000 You have no idea the long-term damage or ramifications that might be doing to your child, their soul, and their future.

00:17:40.000 Internet privacy is extremely important.

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00:19:35.000 We got Jack Pasobic here.

00:19:36.000 It is AmFest week here in Phoenix, Arizona.

00:19:39.000 The ramp up.

00:19:40.000 Jack, you excited?

00:19:41.000 I'm very excited.

00:19:42.000 I'm not quite as solid as a rock as Charlie.

00:19:44.000 He's solid as a rock.

00:19:45.000 He's mainstream, but we're getting there for a while.

00:19:47.000 He's mainstream conservative.

00:19:49.000 Amfest.com, AMFest.com.

00:19:52.000 Do we even have any tickets left for this thing?

00:19:54.000 I mean, Is like, I mean, standing room, maybe.

00:19:57.000 It's standing room.

00:19:58.000 I mean, you've seen the stage, right?

00:20:00.000 I have seen the stage.

00:20:01.000 It's going to be special.

00:20:02.000 And we made sure to check the, you know, the runes and the symbols, the cryptography.

00:20:10.000 Some Daily Beast report.

00:20:11.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:20:12.000 Like, you guys are harking.

00:20:13.000 They'll find something.

00:20:14.000 The year 600 Viking symbol.

00:20:16.000 It actually looks like the...

00:20:18.000 What's that thing in the Marvel movies?

00:20:21.000 I don't even remember what it's called, but like the Tetrahedron or whatever that they're always looking to try to find.

00:20:25.000 That's a level of pop culture.

00:20:26.000 I literally forget what it was.

00:20:27.000 But it kind of looks like that.

00:20:28.000 It's the only thing I can think of.

00:20:30.000 So, Jack, there's a lot going on.

00:20:32.000 What's going on with the Jeffrey Epstein-Ghelene Maxwell trial?

00:20:37.000 So Ghelane Maxwell trial is actually on break.

00:20:40.000 Who takes breaks in a trial?

00:20:41.000 It's very strange, and I've got to go look at this because I remember covering the Manafort trial.

00:20:48.000 I was there every day.

00:20:49.000 Roger Stone, I was there every day.

00:20:50.000 Papadopoulos, when he had his hearings.

00:20:52.000 I went to all the Flynn hearings that were held there in the D.C. courthouse.

00:20:56.000 Manafort, of course, was East District of Virginia.

00:20:59.000 I don't remember these kind of breaks in between sessions.

00:21:03.000 What just happened on Friday was you had the prosecution rested their side.

00:21:07.000 Now the defense is going to come back up.

00:21:09.000 And a lot of people were asking, it seemed like the prosecution didn't bring up any big names.

00:21:15.000 They could have brought anyone.

00:21:17.000 This is the federal government, the Southern District of New York.

00:21:19.000 They have all the subpoena power in the world.

00:21:21.000 And they've got Maureen Comey, the daughter of James Comey, the same, who was the lead prosecutor on this thing.

00:21:28.000 A lot of people were also pointing out that the prosecutors on this case, actually quite young.

00:21:32.000 I think the oldest one is only 37.

00:21:34.000 And for many of them, these are career makers.

00:21:36.000 For all of them, yeah, this is your, you're either going to make your career or lose your career based on this because this is the case.

00:21:42.000 This is clearly the highest profile case that any of them have had.

00:21:45.000 But a lot of court watchers are looking at this saying, why doesn't, you know, why isn't there some more senior, higher level person that's coming in and overseeing some of this?

00:21:54.000 And these guys are at least part of it, but maybe not, you know, the leads.

00:21:58.000 Yeah, so it says that Ghelane Maxwell might call 35 witnesses, some from abroad, her lawyers say.

00:22:04.000 What does that mean?

00:22:05.000 Right.

00:22:05.000 So what you're putting on your witness list is, of course, this is your wish list.

00:22:09.000 And it's also a head fake for the other side because this is the entire scope of people that they could call to trial, but doesn't mean they're actually going to call all of them.

00:22:19.000 Three of the witnesses, though, there was a document that was just submitted today in court there from her lawyers.

00:22:24.000 And by the way, her legal team is not a bunch of spring chickens. 0.91

00:22:28.000 These are some very experienced trial lawyers, people who have done criminal defense for years and years, really know how to game the system.

00:22:35.000 So what they're doing is they're kind of playing needle in the haystack.

00:22:38.000 We could cover all of these people.

00:22:39.000 Plus, they just put up one today.

00:22:41.000 Three of the witnesses are not on this list that they provided.

00:22:45.000 They want to testify anonymously.

00:22:47.000 Now, we also saw that with, I believe, four of the witnesses who testified for the prosecution.

00:22:52.000 They were Epstein victims, people who came forward and said there was one victim that did testify on Friday.

00:22:58.000 Very, very powerful testimony.

00:23:00.000 Her name was Annie Farmer.

00:23:02.000 And this was, and you got to give her credit, right, for being able to do that so many years later to be able to meet the person who abused her.

00:23:08.000 And even her mother, by the way, her mother, who's now in her 70s, came and testified.

00:23:13.000 Remember, a lot of this stuff happened going back into the 90s, early 2000s.

00:23:16.000 So we're talking 20 years.

00:23:18.000 Her mother's still around.

00:23:19.000 Her mother appeared in court, testified against Maxwell.

00:23:22.000 And you really have to, you know, I think one thing, you know, we get caught up in talking about the network, what did this get into, the political influences, all this, but you do have some heroes here, and that's these women coming forward, stepping up and saying, I'm not going to be a victim anymore.

00:23:38.000 Yeah, and so the prosecution seems to be uncertain on kind of the way they laid out a very simple case, is what it seems.

00:23:49.000 Not a very extensive one.

00:23:50.000 Right.

00:23:50.000 So what they're doing, and I've said this before, if you're looking at this case and thinking, I'm going to get all the receipts on Epstein and the network, and we're going to go through Black Book 1 and Black Book 2, which is even out there, and find out who was into it, who was on those 20,000 images that were recovered by the FBI in this.

00:24:08.000 Guess what, folks?

00:24:09.000 It ain't happening.

00:24:10.000 The prosecution already rested.

00:24:14.000 What they're trying to do is say, look, we can get Ghelane Maxwell on trafficking.

00:24:18.000 The trafficking came from New York.

00:24:20.000 They brought them to New Mexico because they knew that there, the age of consent was lower.

00:24:24.000 It was 16 there, not New York State.

00:24:26.000 So they recruited in New York, brought them to New Mexico where he had the ranch.

00:24:30.000 And he knew, remember, very close with who?

00:24:32.000 Bill Richardson out in New Mexico.

00:24:34.000 So he understood what was going on with the political scene there in New Mexico, brought them out.

00:24:38.000 That's what Maxwell did.

00:24:39.000 Boom, that's it.

00:24:40.000 That's all we need on the case.

00:24:42.000 But on the defense side, and this is something, actually, the last time you and I were here and talked about this, this really is the opportunity for Maxwell, for her lawyers to come forward, start naming names, and actually be able to expose what went on here.

00:24:55.000 Because Maxwell, for her case, I really think the only way for her to get out of this is to say, look, I was a victim as well, not only of Epstein, but a victim of his wealthy friends, his powerful friends.

00:25:06.000 I was blackmailed at everybody.

00:25:07.000 I was blackmailed.

00:25:08.000 They wouldn't let me get into this.

00:25:10.000 She's talked before about how she has said, by the way, that she believes her father was murdered on that boat back in the 90s off the coast of the Canary Islands.

00:25:18.000 She has said, well, kind of through her brother, right?

00:25:21.000 Her brother will do these interviews.

00:25:22.000 He says that Ghelane says that she does not believe that Epstein committed suicide.

00:25:27.000 She actually has said that through him.

00:25:29.000 And so she's going to call up all these witnesses. 0.86

00:25:32.000 Where do you think it goes from there?

00:25:34.000 Well, I think where it comes from here is you're going to have a situation then where this jury, right?

00:25:40.000 Every court case is two stories, right?

00:25:42.000 There's always two competing narratives.

00:25:43.000 There's the narrative of the prosecution, which is the same narrative that's been driven through the mainstream media for the past two years.

00:25:50.000 That Maxwell was, actually one of the other accusers said this recently, Sarah Rancon, she said, Epstein was the spider, but Maxwell spun the web, right?

00:26:00.000 I thought that was a really, really interesting way to put it.

00:26:02.000 And that's essentially the prosecution's case.

00:26:04.000 What they're going to attempt to do, though, is bring forward people and say, oh, you know, Ghelane wasn't part of this.

00:26:11.000 She was just along for the ride.

00:26:12.000 It was Jeffrey who was making all of these things.

00:26:14.000 It's Jeffrey who's close with people like Steven Pinker and Richard Dawkins and Bill Gates and all these other, you know, the new atheists and academia and Harvard and everything else. 0.64

00:26:24.000 He was the one that was getting into this and she was just arm candy. 0.84

00:26:27.000 That's essentially going to be what her case was.

00:26:30.000 And oh, by the way, once you, you know, in for a penny, in for a pound, once they have a couple of pictures of you, guess what?

00:26:36.000 Now they can hold those over you for the rest of your life.

00:26:40.000 I don't think there's much of a hope for her, to be honest.

00:26:42.000 It seems that...

00:26:43.000 No, I honestly, you know, looking at this, I don't think that the prosecute, I think the prosecution could have made a much stronger case.

00:26:50.000 I think they could have gone all out and they really didn't do that.

00:26:52.000 And I don't know if that's because of their inexperience or it's because they were directed from higher-ups not to do that.

00:26:57.000 I couldn't tell you.

00:26:58.000 I think there's a lot.

00:26:59.000 Look, I sat through Manafort.

00:27:01.000 I know what it looks like when the government wants to go after somebody.

00:27:04.000 Look what they're doing to go after Assange right now, right?

00:27:07.000 That's what it looks like when said someone goes after you.

00:27:09.000 He's in Belmarsh prison in the U.K., but it looks like he is going to be extradited.

00:27:13.000 There's a story that he may have suffered a stroke to the U.S. for the Eastern District of Virginia.

00:27:18.000 They call it the rocket docket that is known for fast, speedy trials.

00:27:22.000 But look, I sat through every day, two weeks there, Paul Manafort, and they had documents, emails, transcripts, testimony.

00:27:30.000 I mean, this thing was all over the place from the Ukraine to Cyprus to Russia.

00:27:35.000 Yeah, they were ready to rob.

00:27:36.000 I mean, you had everything, and it was all laid out.

00:27:39.000 Accounts, all the rest of it.

00:27:41.000 With Ghelane, there's a couple of stories, obviously the very powerful victim testimony, but you didn't, it just didn't seem to be to the same level that I've seen in some of these other federal cases.

00:27:51.000 That being said, I just have to say, you know, when you look at the jury, look, they've heard the media for two years on this.

00:27:58.000 The spider in the web analogy is so simple to make.

00:28:01.000 I think that they are going to convict.

00:28:04.000 I believe she'll be convicted.

00:28:06.000 And for the powers that be on this, they want that.

00:28:08.000 They want it to be case closed.

00:28:10.000 Because then it's over.

00:28:10.000 We'll never have to talk about it again.

00:28:12.000 Yeah.

00:28:13.000 The media wants it to because they don't want to investigate this.

00:28:16.000 It takes way too much courage.

00:28:18.000 I can't imagine why CNN wouldn't want to investigate it.

00:28:20.000 Yeah, so what's going on with CNN?

00:28:22.000 So CNN has been a pretty rough week.

00:28:26.000 I believe, as you said, they've lost some people.

00:28:28.000 They've gained some people.

00:28:29.000 That's one way of putting it.

00:28:31.000 Oh, man.

00:28:31.000 So Friday night, immediately after the news cycle ends, everybody knows that like 4 o'clock, 5 o'clock p.m. Eastern on a Friday, that's when your news cycle sort of ends.

00:28:42.000 And the weekend is beginning.

00:28:43.000 People are checked out.

00:28:44.000 Nobody's tied in.

00:28:45.000 We get this.

00:28:46.000 We don't even actually get the full indictment.

00:28:48.000 We get a press release from the DOJ.

00:28:51.000 It was the most bizarre story, too.

00:28:54.000 That says, and if you dig through it, actually, the headline is just, it is about the arrest.

00:28:59.000 But if you dig through, the charges are actually much more horrific than the headline would suggest, is a CNN senior producer.

00:29:07.000 For Chris Cuomo.

00:29:08.000 For Chris Cuomo and New Day was arrested for child sex trafficking. 1.00

00:29:13.000 And I think he raped the girl. 0.99

00:29:16.000 And the way they call it is illegal sexual activity with a minor. 0.96

00:29:22.000 But the miner's mom was involved or something.

00:29:26.000 One really bizarre.

00:29:27.000 One thing that people, you know, it comes out in a lot of these cases.

00:29:31.000 It certainly came in with Epstein.

00:29:33.000 It came in with some of the stuff you're seeing in Ghalain Maxwell case that they groom the parents first.

00:29:38.000 In many of these cases, the groomer targets the parents first in order to sort of bring them in, in order to bring them into this situation, in order to say, look, I can give you this.

00:29:49.000 I can provide you with various, in terms of Epstein Maxwell, it's access, it's money, it's, we can give you, in terms of Weinstein, it was access to film roles, movie, you know, stardom, celebrity fame, Oscars, et cetera.

00:30:03.000 And in terms of this, this guy, his name is John Griffin.

00:30:08.000 And of course, this is all alleged.

00:30:09.000 This is in the indictment.

00:30:11.000 He is, they are saying that he was going onto websites, finding women that were in, this is what he said on the website.

00:30:18.000 This is what it says in the indictment, that were sexually submissive.

00:30:22.000 And then he said, by the way, if you have any daughters, I want to train them as well.

00:30:28.000 So he's going to go to jail for a long time.

00:30:31.000 This guy needs to go away for the rest of his life.

00:30:35.000 And if it were up to me, there would probably be a different kind of penalty for this.

00:30:39.000 We've gotten away from that.

00:30:40.000 We have gotten away from that, certainly at the federal level.

00:30:43.000 But this is the kind of horrific stuff that you see going on.

00:30:46.000 And he was at CNN for nearly a decade.

00:30:48.000 So, Jack, why on earth would people then believe that there's some sort of pedophile ring in the top levels of media and government?

00:30:55.000 I'm half kidding.

00:30:56.000 You're right.

00:30:57.000 It's amazing.

00:30:57.000 It's like how many of these stories.

00:30:59.000 You know, they'll turn around.

00:31:00.000 They'll turn and say, you can't believe that.

00:31:02.000 The Atlanta.

00:31:03.000 Or that's the thing.

00:31:03.000 At least against the piece last week, Lorraine Powell Jobs, who we know, by the way, is friends with Ghelane Maxwell.

00:31:08.000 She's the majority of the individuals.

00:31:09.000 It's like it's the strangest smokescreen operation that ever.

00:31:11.000 And they say, oh, it's a moral panic.

00:31:13.000 This stuff isn't going on.

00:31:14.000 You don't have to worry about it.

00:31:16.000 Meanwhile, Chris Cuomo's producer.

00:31:18.000 And then two days later, it's 48 hours later, Chris Cuomo's producer arrested child sex trafficking.

00:31:25.000 Incredibly crucial. 0.94

00:31:26.000 Federal indictment, by the disgusting.

00:31:27.000 Federal indictment.

00:31:29.000 And a blackout as far as the media is concerned.

00:31:31.000 That's as far as I'm willing to even read into the stuff that's in this indictment because I know that there's a lot of families that listen to this show.

00:31:38.000 And quite frankly, I don't even want to think about this kind of stuff.

00:31:42.000 So, but I'll just say this.

00:31:45.000 If you have any comprehension of how dark humanity can go, go deeper.

00:31:51.000 Hell has no limits. 0.51

00:31:53.000 Nine-year-old girl, sick. 0.89

00:31:54.000 With her own mother.

00:31:56.000 I'd imagine the mother should go to jail, too. 1.00

00:31:59.000 Oh, yeah.

00:32:00.000 She'd be indicted or not yet.

00:32:02.000 I haven't seen in this, but if she should be, 100%.

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00:33:53.000 So let me ask you a general question, Jack.

00:33:55.000 Should parents ever be held accountable for the sins of their children?

00:34:01.000 I think it depends.

00:34:02.000 You know, I think, and I say this as a parent, I think every situation is different.

00:34:07.000 But in, I would like to live in the kind of society where parents do face some degree of accountability for, and depending on the age of the kids, obviously.

00:34:21.000 If you're not, we're talking about adult children, that's different, but for the actions.

00:34:25.000 That being said, that doesn't necessarily mean criminal charges or versus just social shame or ostracization, et cetera, et cetera.

00:34:34.000 And it certainly doesn't mean canceling or anything like that.

00:34:37.000 But I do think that we've gotten away from this.

00:34:40.000 We've become too libertine as a society.

00:34:42.000 We say, oh, you know, who am I to say?

00:34:44.000 Who am I to say about what's going on?

00:34:46.000 Who am I to say about how you raise your kids?

00:34:48.000 Who am I to say about this and that?

00:34:50.000 And, you know, there is, there's a balance there.

00:34:52.000 There's a balance that has to be struck.

00:34:54.000 And so I think in some cases, yes, it's appropriate.

00:34:57.000 In other cases, I would say, look, you know, sometimes things just happen, right?

00:35:01.000 So you do have to look at every case that way.

00:35:03.000 But I don't think that I would be knee-jerk and say, no, never.

00:35:06.000 I wouldn't say that.

00:35:07.000 Yeah, so the Michigan, what county is it?

00:35:10.000 Is it Oakland County?

00:35:12.000 Yeah, it's in Oakland County.

00:35:13.000 That horrible shooting.

00:35:15.000 Yes.

00:35:15.000 It's a very unusual story because not only were there warning signs, they were meeting.

00:35:21.000 There was literally a meeting before the shooting happened.

00:35:23.000 Yeah, so when this story broke and people saw that the parents were getting charged, I think there was a knee-jerk response of people saying, hey, hey, don't do that.

00:35:30.000 You shouldn't charge me.

00:35:31.000 That was my knee-jerk response.

00:35:33.000 Then I read the indictment.

00:35:34.000 When you read...

00:35:35.000 Right.

00:35:35.000 Specifically for me, it was those text messages.

00:35:38.000 When you actually read the text message, next time don't get caught.

00:35:41.000 Next time, don't get caught, right?

00:35:43.000 Good luck explaining that one in front of a jury, right?

00:35:45.000 Bringing your ammo and a gun to school and then looking up this stuff online and saying, don't get caught.

00:35:54.000 Well, and then the kid is writing, the voices won't stop.

00:35:58.000 I need to commit violence.

00:35:59.000 The voices won't stop, right?

00:36:01.000 Yeah, so if I see, you know, my kids aren't, you know, anywhere near that kind of old, but if I did see that kind of activity from my kid, my first thing is going to be, hey, what's going on, man?

00:36:12.000 Or like, let's take all the firearms away.

00:36:14.000 Let's, let's, well, yeah, number one.

00:36:15.000 I mean, first of all, my firearms are locked up to begin with, where they don't even know where all of them are.

00:36:21.000 My wife doesn't even know where all of them are.

00:36:25.000 But, you know, you have to be there for your kid and understand that, you know, we've gotten away from this idea of parents as parents.

00:36:33.000 And the new thing is parents as friends.

00:36:35.000 Hey, I'm your buddy.

00:36:36.000 I'm your best friend.

00:36:38.000 What's going on, man?

00:36:39.000 You want to watch a show?

00:36:40.000 You want to get some candy?

00:36:41.000 You want to play some, whatever, play some Xbox, you know, whatever it is.

00:36:44.000 It's, you know, be there for your kid, obviously, but they're your child.

00:36:50.000 They are not your peer.

00:36:52.000 And you cannot treat kids that way.

00:36:53.000 Because if you treat kids that way, then they will never understand that dynamic.

00:36:57.000 They will never understand, you know, the difference between mother and father and just one of my friends.

00:37:03.000 And so they won't respect anything at that point.

00:37:05.000 And that they will believe that they are the ones in charge.

00:37:08.000 Yeah, and I suppose that was one of the core issues with this Michigan case, right?

00:37:12.000 Where the parents get indicted.

00:37:14.000 The school is not going to be held accountable.

00:37:16.000 That's the other part of it, though.

00:37:17.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:37:18.000 And we're talking about the parents here.

00:37:20.000 And I said, well, look, if you're going to charge the parents, why are we not charging the school?

00:37:24.000 Why are we not charging the administrators who are involved with this?

00:37:27.000 Why aren't we charging the principal who apparently had a meeting with him that day?

00:37:31.000 Yes, that's right.

00:37:32.000 And decided to send him back to class instead of sending him home.

00:37:35.000 I don't understand why the school, the school said they didn't have the right to search the backpack.

00:37:39.000 Is that right?

00:37:42.000 I find that really hard to believe.

00:37:43.000 We live in an incredibly over-litigious society. 1.00

00:37:48.000 Sort of.

00:37:48.000 At the same time, you could defecate on the street and burn Wendy's and like steal merchandise from 30 different department stores, and yet everyone's afraid of getting sued.

00:37:56.000 So remember, Charlie, this is the goal.

00:37:58.000 This is the goal that we're talking about.

00:37:59.000 Anarcho-tyranny.

00:38:00.000 This is anarcho-tyranny.

00:38:01.000 This sample.

00:38:01.000 This is the whole regime.

00:38:02.000 This is why you or I would never be allowed to, if you or I did one of those things, we would also be arrested.

00:38:08.000 If you and I burned a Wendy's, we'd go to jail for a liar.

00:38:10.000 We'd definitely go to jail.

00:38:12.000 But, by the way, wasn't it the ex-girlfriend of the guy down in Atlanta?

00:38:16.000 That whole thing?

00:38:16.000 That's a long story.

00:38:17.000 But the goal is not for the criminal to be locked up.

00:38:21.000 The goal is for the otherwise law-abiding citizen.

00:38:24.000 And then you put all of these restrictions and guidelines in front of them so that it's sort of that old thing about you break 100 laws, just driving to work every morning.

00:38:35.000 You know, that on every felonies that so we always have power over you.

00:38:41.000 This is the goal of the regime to maintain that you have no personal autonomy.

00:38:46.000 Yes.

00:38:46.000 That Kyle Rittenhouse has to go to jail, has to go through what he went through.

00:38:51.000 Binger is out there doing podcasts because how dare you?

00:38:53.000 He just did one over the weekend.

00:38:55.000 How dare you stand up and defend your community because you're not part of the team?

00:38:59.000 Jack Bisobic, he'll be back later this week, amfest.com.

00:39:02.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - December 14, 2021

Ghislaine Maxwell, CNN, and Grooming America's Next Generation with Jack Posobiec

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