The Charlie Kirk Show - God's People vs. the State of California - Live with Pastor Jack Hibbs

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00:00:45.000 My extended and very well-reviewed conversation with Jack Hibbs is here.

00:00:50.000 Buckle up, everybody.

00:00:52.000 Here we go.

00:00:53.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:55.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

00:00:57.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:01:00.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:01:04.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:01:05.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:01:06.000 His spirit, his love of this country.

00:01:08.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:01:14.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:01:23.000 That's why we are here.

00:01:25.000 Listen, with that, you guys, he is.

00:01:28.000 Charlie Kirk is the founder.

00:01:31.000 He's the founder of Turning Point USA.

00:01:34.000 He is a man that today, when we were just doing a few little things together, but it's awesome to realize that Charlie Kirk cranks out somewhere around 14 podcasts a week, not to mention the fact that he's constantly on the go.

00:01:46.000 In fact, when he's done here, he'll be whisked away back home to Turning Point USA in Arizona.

00:01:53.000 But he is a son in the faith.

00:01:55.000 Charlie loves the Lord Jesus.

00:01:56.000 His accomplishments, I am not going to take the time to go through tonight.

00:02:02.000 Other than he's written a best-selling book on the New York Times best-selling list, The MAGA Doctrine.

00:02:08.000 He is shaping the young culture of the United States today.

00:02:12.000 And who knows, but if someday he might become a very needed president of the United States someday.

00:02:18.000 Give a warm welcome to Charlie.

00:02:44.000 Thank you.

00:02:47.000 Charlie?

00:02:49.000 That sounded funny, Charlie.

00:02:51.000 Well, I have to say, it's nice to be back in front of human beings again.

00:02:55.000 It's pretty cool.

00:02:58.000 So I'm going to say this because Jack won't.

00:03:01.000 This is an American treasure right here, Jack Hibbs.

00:03:04.000 I'll tell you what.

00:03:09.000 This is a courageous, convicted leader that does not care what the people on the other side might say about him.

00:03:20.000 He follows the word.

00:03:21.000 He does what is right in the eyes of God.

00:03:24.000 And if we had a thousand or a hundred people like Jack Hibbs in the churches across America, my goodness, could you imagine?

00:03:33.000 So Jack Hibbs, God bless you for what you have done for our country.

00:03:36.000 Seriously, Mary.

00:03:38.000 And Pastor Rob McCoy is also here somewhere, who also has kept his church open.

00:03:44.000 And there's something very special happening.

00:03:48.000 So Charlie, what do we need to talk about?

00:03:50.000 What's the most important thing?

00:03:51.000 I don't think much is happening.

00:03:53.000 Yeah, there's not much going on.

00:03:55.000 Yeah, you know, it's a slow news cycle, as they might say.

00:03:59.000 Look, it's a very interesting time.

00:04:01.000 I've actually done a lot of traveling in the last few weeks, which is a very, you must really hate yourself if you do that.

00:04:07.000 You just wear the mask the entire time, and it's not exactly fun.

00:04:10.000 But I've been to Michigan, Florida, I was in New York, all across the country.

00:04:15.000 I was in D.C. yesterday, in Arizona this morning, and here I am with you.

00:04:18.000 I feel that it's more urgent than ever to be able to get truth out in front of people.

00:04:24.000 And I think that right now, we as a country are seeing what happens when good people decide to do nothing and when certain good people, such as yourself, Jack, and your congregation, start to stand up for truth.

00:04:40.000 So, look, I'm processing this in real time, like all of you, and I'm starting to realize a couple things.

00:04:45.000 The first of which is this.

00:04:47.000 What's happening tonight in the churches across America, this is going to be the salvation of our country.

00:04:52.000 It really will.

00:04:53.000 The church is the key to the moral order of a civil society.

00:04:57.000 And there's a reason why they want to keep the churches closed.

00:05:00.000 There's a reason why they don't want you to be able to congregate.

00:05:04.000 It's because as soon as all of you start to attend and you listen to the greatest, most important book ever to exist in the history of the world, when you start to understand the teachings of Jesus Christ, when you start to understand that our rights are natural that come from God, not from government, all of a sudden Gavin Newsom means a lot less in your world.

00:05:21.000 All of a sudden...

00:05:26.000 And maybe it also opens and liberates conversation.

00:05:31.000 Maybe all of a sudden you realize that it's going to be free people in a free society that are going to come across to the best solutions, not these bureaucratic, top-down orders that have just so much harm and pain and suffering on people across the country that I've seen, Jack.

00:05:48.000 And I'll tell you this: that as the churches start to reopen, I'm starting to see it.

00:05:52.000 Pastors are starting to follow because it takes leaders like Jack to pay the price.

00:05:57.000 And he goes for it, and then people start to follow.

00:06:00.000 And we're starting to see, in my opinion, a tonal shift in our country in the last couple weeks.

00:06:08.000 Even in the last couple days, I can feel it.

00:06:10.000 All of a sudden, people are, and I felt the Holy Spirit here tonight.

00:06:12.000 I think you do as well.

00:06:14.000 Where all of a sudden, look, the forces of darkness are going to strike their hardest right before truth is really going to spread and win.

00:06:23.000 That is when the forces of darkness are going to do their full frontal offensive.

00:06:26.000 And boy, have we seen that in the last couple weeks and the last couple months.

00:06:30.000 And what I'm telling you, I am bringing you, I believe, very good news that we are close to something that is so righteous and good and true.

00:06:39.000 I think we're going to have a revival in our country, the likes of which we have never come to.

00:06:42.000 I believe that we have to do that.

00:06:43.000 I do believe that.

00:06:46.000 Charlie, you said something in one of your recent podcasts.

00:06:48.000 I think it was with Eric McTexis.

00:06:50.000 You made mention of the fact, which was fantastic.

00:06:52.000 That the rioting, the pillaging, the protesting that's going on in the streets, and the correlation between that and the churches being sequestered.

00:07:00.000 Yeah, I mean, it's a really puzzling thing for me why some people are confused about this.

00:07:05.000 They say, why is it that so many people are angry and looking for meaning?

00:07:10.000 I say, well, it's because you closed the churches down, man.

00:07:13.000 I mean, church is more than just flipping on your TV at 10.30 in your pajamas in the living room.

00:07:21.000 Church is the ecclesia, the gathering of believers.

00:07:24.000 It's you turning to your friend and saying, how are you doing?

00:07:27.000 And they say, honestly, I'm not doing well.

00:07:30.000 I need you, and I need that message today.

00:07:32.000 And what we have been led to believe is now church is nothing more than a digital consumption exercise where church is a 24-7, 365 institution where it's brothers helping believers, helping sisters, helping people in need.

00:07:46.000 And so then he removed that.

00:07:50.000 And I asked Jack this today, and I said, on average, how many people come to Christ on Easter Sunday?

00:07:54.000 And he says, anywhere probably between 100 to 150, maybe even more.

00:07:58.000 On an Easter Sunday, the most important day that we celebrate as Christians for good reason.

00:08:02.000 They stole that from us, and we let them. 1.00

00:08:05.000 They stole Easter Sunday from us. 0.99

00:08:07.000 So I think to myself, my goodness, how many millions of lost souls out there would have become Bible-believing Christians on Easter Sunday if the churches would have remained open? 0.74

00:08:15.000 How many people would have dropped down their idolatry of fake witness and said, Jesus, come into my life.

00:08:21.000 And yet, the secular humanist status said, Keep your church closed because I told you so.

00:08:26.000 And then all of a sudden, we wonder why in late May we see a destruction of civil society because, oh my gosh, we forgot that it was the church that built civil society.

00:08:36.000 And when civil society starts to crumble and you don't have the singular thing that founded that very civil society, it should be a rather logical thing.

00:08:43.000 Maybe you should open the institution that gives people meaning and gives them an understanding of what responsibility is and a connection to the Almighty and the sacraments of communion.

00:08:54.000 And so there's a direct connection there.

00:08:55.000 And I think there's a reason for it.

00:08:58.000 It's because the statists understand, and the people that want to control you, because that's what this is about, and it's about power.

00:09:04.000 They want government to become God.

00:09:06.000 They want white fragility to become the Bible. 0.85

00:09:09.000 They want the 1619 project to be more well-versed in the teachings of Matthew.

00:09:13.000 And if you think I'm joking, just step into a public school in LA Unified School District and you'll see exactly what I mean. 0.86

00:09:20.000 They know that if they can hurt the church, if they can weaken the church, then all of a sudden they will replace man's search for meaning with government becoming that deity, with Nicole Hannah Jones from the New York Times becoming the next philosophical leader where she just spouts garbage and nonsense professionally every single day.

00:09:43.000 And so we have to understand very clearly, and you've done such a great job of this, Jack, and I'm inspired by you, and you're a hero for this, which is we are not going to allow tyranny in our country to exist any longer, whether it be Gavin Newsom, whether it be the little micro-tyranny.

00:10:02.000 And here's a really important point: we should protest and recall Gavin Newsome. 0.94

00:10:07.000 And he's a coward. 0.97

00:10:08.000 He's like, what are you going to do? 1.00

00:10:09.000 I mean, come on, he really is a very weak person.

00:10:12.000 And no, I mean this, and I truly do genuinely pray for him.

00:10:18.000 And where he prioritizes Planned Parenthood abortion clinics and marijuana dispensaries over the body and blood of Jesus Christ.

00:10:24.000 And he argues the church is not essential, but, and I think that's actually a wrong phrasing, by the way.

00:10:29.000 I think a better way to phrase it and ask, is salvation essential?

00:10:32.000 It's not just essential.

00:10:33.000 It's like the only important thing, right?

00:10:37.000 I mean, it's the idea of essential is somehow there's a hierarchy of something more important than salvation.

00:10:45.000 And so, look, Gavin Newsom, he says, well, I might arrest people.

00:10:48.000 I said, well, you'll be the first Christian to pay a price for what is good and what is right and what is true. 0.95

00:10:52.000 And so if they come arrest Jack, come arrest me alongside of Jack, because I'll tell you what, about time Christians start standing for something in the temple. 0.94

00:10:59.000 And I, and here's the one thing: make no mistake, this is a social conditioning exercise where they're trying to see how far they can push us, right? 0.92

00:11:12.000 They're trying to see, oh, wow, the Christians won't speak if we take Easter and Palm Sunday from them. 0.84

00:11:16.000 They won't speak out if we take Pentecost from them. 0.91

00:11:18.000 They won't speak out if month after month after month all of a sudden the physical institution of the church and the gathering, the ecclesia of believers mean nothing.

00:11:24.000 But the moment that someone like Jack Hibbs or Rob LaCoy says, oh, no, come arrest us, they're like, oh, yeah, just kidding, sorry.

00:11:31.000 And by the way, they might storm through this right now like Mao's Red Guard with their little red book and the Praetorian Guard.

00:11:38.000 And guess what? 0.53

00:11:38.000 Jack and I will say, fine. 0.53

00:11:40.000 Part of the doctrine of civil disobedience is we will pay the price, but you are going to have a couple thousand very angry local people that are not going to like you.

00:11:47.000 You are voters and they're voting.

00:11:49.000 And they vote and they pay taxes.

00:11:51.000 And the silent majority won't be silent much longer.

00:11:55.000 And they are betting that our decency translates into apathy.

00:11:59.000 And I could tell you this.

00:12:00.000 There is a lot of green space between us being decent and us being indecent.

00:12:05.000 And I'm telling you, I will never think we should get to indecent, but that doesn't mean we have to be quiet.

00:12:10.000 It's a very important thing.

00:12:12.000 An incredibly important distinction.

00:12:14.000 Because, and I truly believe this, some Christian pastors have been emailing me privately and say, Charlie, what do I do?

00:12:21.000 And I say, in some ways, why don't you surrender anything that is earthly for the divine truth to be able to bring people to Jesus Christ?

00:12:29.000 And they say, I might lose my church.

00:12:31.000 And I say, well, first of all, you probably won't, probably.

00:12:35.000 But even if you do, if you fight for what is right and for what is good and for what is true, isn't that what we are called to do every single day?

00:12:40.000 Amen.

00:12:42.000 And so, and what the great irony of this entire thing, and it kind of reminds me of some of the people in the Republican Party where I've tried to find to see if they have a spine, and I can't quite figure out if they do or not.

00:12:54.000 Which is the great irony, and I'll do the connection in a second, is that this church has never flourished like it has now.

00:13:00.000 It has ever grown because people right now in times of chaos are looking for order.

00:13:06.000 They're looking for truth.

00:13:07.000 Churches that actually stand have record attendance, record tithing, record conversions, record salvation, record amounts of people that are looking for that meaning.

00:13:17.000 And so I'll tell you what, as Ernest Hemingway said, this is going to happen gradually than suddenly.

00:13:23.000 The bad guys are going to be on the run very quickly as soon as reasonable and decent people stop being the silent majority and the vocal majority.

00:13:32.000 It's going to happen very, very quickly.

00:13:39.000 Charlie, we've got radical civil unrest in many of the West Coast cities, the key cities.

00:13:47.000 Just the other day, Jerry Nadler, when asked about the pillaging and the rioting of Portland, Oregon, Nadler said that Antifa and that action is a myth.

00:14:00.000 It's not happening.

00:14:01.000 You know, it's so incredibly Orwellian what's happening right now.

00:14:04.000 And if you don't know, if you haven't read 1984 or Animal Farm, I encourage you to do it.

00:14:08.000 It's like reading the LA Times.

00:14:10.000 It's happening in real time.

00:14:12.000 And let me explain to you how Orwellian thinking works.

00:14:15.000 It's written by George Orwell in the 1950s. 0.97

00:14:18.000 Orwell was a socialist until he wasn't because he actually realized what that nonsense backwards worldview actually believed. 1.00

00:14:24.000 His most famous quote with socialism, I just love it, it's so perfect. 1.00

00:14:26.000 Orwell said, socialism is much more about hating the rich than helping the poor.

00:14:30.000 I said, that is just perfect.

00:14:33.000 And so Orwell wrote 1984, and in it, he talks about that even worse than a lie, there's something that can be called doublethink or doublespeak or news speak.

00:14:43.000 So here's how it works.

00:14:44.000 And this is what's happening with Jerry Nadler and the left.

00:14:47.000 It's much worse than them lying to us.

00:14:49.000 Let's pretend Jack is eating some cookies here.

00:14:51.000 And I go up to Jack, I say, Jack, how many cookies have you eaten?

00:14:55.000 And he says, I've only eaten three.

00:14:57.000 He really ate 10.

00:14:58.000 That would be a lie, right?

00:15:01.000 Here's how doublespeak works.

00:15:02.000 I go up to Jack and I say, Jack, how many cookies have you eaten?

00:15:05.000 And he's got crumbs all over his face and cookies.

00:15:09.000 And he says, I haven't eaten any cookies.

00:15:11.000 You have.

00:15:13.000 No, trust me, I've eaten no cookies.

00:15:16.000 I promise, no cookies.

00:15:17.000 No, you've eaten all the cookies. 0.99

00:15:18.000 In fact, you're also a racist. 0.92

00:15:19.000 I'm like, well, no, I'm not. 0.96

00:15:20.000 Like, no, I promise. 0.99

00:15:22.000 He's like, shut up and take a knee. 0.98

00:15:24.000 I've never eaten cookies. 1.00

00:15:25.000 You're also a bad person and your country is awful. 0.99

00:15:28.000 Like, no, I promise I haven't eaten cookies. 0.99

00:15:31.000 And you start to think to yourself, well, what kind of bizarre thing?

00:15:34.000 And that's doublespeak, and it's 1984 dystopianism.

00:15:37.000 And he prophesies it perfectly.

00:15:39.000 And look, it's really in 1 Timothy, what's the exact verse, to live quiet and peaceable lives.

00:15:44.000 Yeah, God tells us that he wants us to pray for the king and those that are over us in authority.

00:15:49.000 That we, why, what's the reason?

00:15:50.000 That we might live a quiet and peaceable life.

00:15:54.000 Not Portland, basically.

00:15:56.000 Not Portland, not Seattle, not LA.

00:15:58.000 I was reading that the other day.

00:15:59.000 I said, my goodness.

00:16:00.000 He was telling us to live lives like whatever's not happening in downtown Seattle and the former country that used to be called Chaz or CHOP or whatever that wonderful experiment was, which really interests me because, you know, I visit college campuses, so you don't have to.

00:16:24.000 And I deal with these people, right?

00:16:26.000 And it's a very sinister combination between remarkable arrogance and resentment and totally uninformed opinion, right?

00:16:35.000 So they're so committed to being correct.

00:16:39.000 They're constantly wrong, but they're never in doubt.

00:16:42.000 It's an incredible combination, right?

00:16:44.000 That's well said.

00:16:45.000 So I'll never forget one of these rocket scientists, philosophers, came up to me.

00:16:50.000 He was 20 and he had taken a philosophy course, so he knew everything about philosophy.

00:16:54.000 And University of Minnesota, and I think I saw him on television the other day burning down a building or something.

00:16:59.000 I was like, that's the guy.

00:17:01.000 I knew he was destined for great things.

00:17:04.000 And so it was a couple years ago at the University of Minnesota.

00:17:09.000 And he said, Charlie, you don't understand.

00:17:11.000 Once we get rid of police and private property, that's when human beings can go back to their normative state, the primitive state, and everything will go back into a utopian place. 0.98

00:17:22.000 And this is an idea that was theorized by the French fool. 0.95

00:17:26.000 If you want to know where most bad ideas are from, just go to France. 0.98

00:17:28.000 I mean, my gosh, just Jean-Jacques Rousseau. 0.89

00:17:32.000 I mean, the guy was a hypocritical, privileged brat who basically, we got a lot of our bad ideas in the West from him. 0.92

00:17:40.000 But he argued very, very bluntly that we should have the primitive over the civilized, the infant over the adult, the passionate lover over the calm spouse. 0.95

00:17:49.000 I mean, basically, everything your child learns in college can be originated back to this clueless, you know, let's say, let's stop there, a guy from France by Jean-Jacques Rousseau.

00:18:01.000 So this idea of we just get rid of, it's society that's the problem.

00:18:05.000 It's not us.

00:18:06.000 No, you're actually awesome.

00:18:08.000 You are perfect.

00:18:10.000 You don't have original sin. 0.96

00:18:11.000 It's societal sin.

00:18:13.000 That's what you have to understand that the difference is right now, right?

00:18:15.000 So this philosopher from the University of Minnesota who just took a freshman introductory class of how to hate America, right?

00:18:23.000 And so he was telling me, Charlie, you don't understand.

00:18:25.000 It's this great thing.

00:18:25.000 And I'll never forget this conversation because I said, one day you're going to get what you want and it's not going to end well.

00:18:33.000 And I said, one day you guys are going to get so bold and you might actually form your own little communal country.

00:18:39.000 And write me a memo on how that goes.

00:18:42.000 And he said, I can't wait.

00:18:43.000 It'll be brilliant.

00:18:44.000 The revolution is coming. 0.98

00:18:46.000 And this is a couple years ago, and they actually ended up acting on these foolish ideas.

00:18:50.000 And so they founded Chaz or CHOP or whatever, which in a very interesting way, I was perplexed by this.

00:18:56.000 At Turning Point USA, we sent journalists into Chaz and we infiltrated it.

00:19:01.000 And they had borders. 0.61

00:19:02.000 It was really bizarre.

00:19:03.000 It was like, guarded.

00:19:04.000 Those are guards.

00:19:06.000 And they had ID checks.

00:19:07.000 I'm like, well, now we can have voter ID everywhere now, right?

00:19:11.000 Because in order to get into Chaz, you had to check your identification.

00:19:16.000 And so they also, so you go in there and they have no police and all this.

00:19:20.000 And incredibly bad things continued to happen.

00:19:22.000 And tragically, two people died, and one African-American black kid died who was a teenager, murdered.

00:19:27.000 And it's this amazing thing, Jack.

00:19:29.000 When you get rid of police, people still do bad things.

00:19:32.000 It's almost as if original sin actually exists in our world and that the Bible is completely correct, that we're broken so unbelievably depraved by nature that we are in need of a savior that only a loving God could deliver to us, that it's actually what is in our book is true and right.

00:19:49.000 And so, but this is what's really what we're up against.

00:19:51.000 And I want to just frame this for you because you say, who could possibly defund the police?

00:19:55.000 Who could want that?

00:19:56.000 They come from a worldview that we are actually awesome human beings.

00:20:02.000 That we by nature are good.

00:20:05.000 This is what we're up against.

00:20:07.000 What's happening right now, and this is what really frustrates me with a lot of the Republican Party is just how myopic they get in their conversation.

00:20:13.000 They're like, well, maybe we can pass a police reform bill.

00:20:16.000 And maybe you can, maybe you can't.

00:20:17.000 But you're missing the broader point.

00:20:19.000 We have just introduced a national conversation on human nature.

00:20:23.000 And you think this is about police reform?

00:20:26.000 This is a beautiful opportunity to be able to defend something that through 5,000 years of history and this incredible book that tells us that is ultimate truth, that human beings are broken by nature.

00:20:37.000 And we know this, and the left doesn't believe this.

00:20:39.000 They actually are so incredibly confident in their own ubris, in their own philosopher king world.

00:20:45.000 I can fix human beings.

00:20:46.000 All we have to do is get rid of the police and then give a little health care and no borders. 0.99

00:20:50.000 Of course, it's a bunch of rubbish and nonsense and balderdash. 0.94

00:20:53.000 But I got all sorts of words that are non-swear words to say that describe the left or the right order. 0.86

00:21:02.000 Being a podcaster that has PG-rated audience, the amount of words I can use that describe the American left is limitless.

00:21:11.000 So that's a fun sidebar.

00:21:15.000 So yeah, Jerry, I guess the point was about Jerry Nabler, and that's, I mean, that's to kind of complete the point, was, was this, they truly believe the radical left absolutely and completely believes that society is a mistake, that the systems we have around us are systems of oppression that must be dismantled, undone, and deconstructed because they have the better idea to be implemented, and then we can actually be harmonious people in utopia,

00:21:43.000 which literally means nowhere if you look at actually what utopia means.

00:21:46.000 That's what they believe.

00:21:47.000 So right now we're in a discussion on human nature.

00:21:49.000 We should win that conversation.

00:21:50.000 We should win that argument.

00:21:52.000 Do you think there's any correlation?

00:21:53.000 I think you just answered this actually, but just to highlight it, do you think there's any correlation to the fact that two of the least churched cities in America happen to be Portland and Seattle?

00:22:07.000 Of course, there's almost no presence of church witnesses.

00:22:11.000 And it would be nice to hear a Republican say that once, wouldn't it?

00:22:13.000 I mean, but look, and I say this is, we have an amazing opportunity to be able to defend right now something that is true.

00:22:22.000 And Paul says it, defend whatsoever is true.

00:22:26.000 I mean, we are called to Christians to call out things that are not correct, not factual, not true in every single part of our life because everything that you encounter matters.

00:22:39.000 We're told that as Christians, anytime that something that gets told that is rooted in a lie, that is a tool used by the evil one to try to deceive us and bring us into confusion and chaos.

00:22:49.000 So when people say something like, everything's actually wonderful in Portland, you don't understand.

00:22:54.000 56 days of riot and anarchy, this is actually, it's a summer of love, actually, is what it is.

00:23:00.000 Yes.

00:23:02.000 And it's a summer of love until they start protesting outside of the mayor's office, right?

00:23:05.000 Which is what they do.

00:23:07.000 And so, yes, there's a direct correlation.

00:23:10.000 And we have to understand that this country that was founded, it wasn't an accident.

00:23:15.000 And that's a really important thing that we have to teach our kids, unlike other kind of civilization toppling and just the constant cycle, if you will.

00:23:28.000 We are going to control this piece of land and we're going to put it over with our tradition.

00:23:31.000 Our country is so different than that.

00:23:33.000 We don't teach our young people.

00:23:34.000 This was a deliberative process of reading, reflecting, praying, and fasting of what do we want to create?

00:23:40.000 And this was founded.

00:23:41.000 This wasn't something that we backed into like, oh my gosh, what if we just have this free speech thing?

00:23:46.000 I came up with it and everyone can say whatever they want.

00:23:48.000 Everyone's going to own guns.

00:23:50.000 And like Ben Franklin, like, this country's going to be lit, right?

00:23:52.000 Like, this is going to be great.

00:23:54.000 No, there's a reason for all of this, right?

00:23:57.000 This wasn't some sort of juvenile experiment in trying to have people indulge themselves.

00:24:04.000 This was a study of Mesopotamia and Athens and Greece and Rome and Aristotle and Plato and Aquinas and Descartes and Hume and Locke.

00:24:13.000 And you said, okay, here's what they got wrong.

00:24:15.000 Here's what they got right.

00:24:16.000 And the Enlightenment understood this.

00:24:18.000 And Locke theorized very simply that, yes, we have natural law and from natural law we have natural rights.

00:24:23.000 And then they said, well, what if it's a theocracy?

00:24:24.000 They said that won't work because then you're a state-run religion actually will make people less likely to go to church.

00:24:29.000 So let's have ideas that are actually built upon that of Christianity, the Bible, the greatest book ever to exist in the history of the world.

00:24:35.000 We like that.

00:24:36.000 And everyone in our population is basically understands it's the moral order, but we want to have a pluralistic society and the freedom of speech because good ideas must be defended, not be just shoved down people's throats.

00:24:47.000 Because if we just say this is what it is, people are going to find a way to disconnect from it because that's human nature.

00:24:51.000 They want to challenge and question.

00:24:52.000 We know that from the Enlightenment.

00:24:54.000 We know that from basically the problems that the Catholic Church had with trying to have state-run religion.

00:25:00.000 The founders didn't want that, but they still wanted a moral order.

00:25:02.000 And that's why in our birth certificate, the Declaration of Independence is the laws of nature and nature's God, very explicitly, where it said, you know what, King George, this whole tyranny and autocracy thing, not so fast, my friend.

00:25:14.000 We have a better idea from ideas that are derived from the law of Abraham and Moses and the tradition of the Bible that it was fulfilled by the covenant of Jesus Christ.

00:25:21.000 We're going to try out freedom of speech, protect our family, rights to privacy, states' rights.

00:25:26.000 If we get something wrong, we can course correct it because we don't have to worry about your tyranny, one size fits all centralized control.

00:25:26.000 And guess what?

00:25:33.000 We have a republic if we can keep it.

00:25:35.000 Let's see what happens.

00:25:36.000 This was the biggest risk in human history.

00:25:38.000 I want you to understand there was no precedent to this.

00:25:38.000 That's right.

00:25:44.000 They had very little to no civilization precedent.

00:25:47.000 They took this risk and they said, we actually trust our people who were freedom-seeking pilgrims, who brought everything across the Atlantic Ocean.

00:25:53.000 Many of them died.

00:25:55.000 Even more of them paid a huge price, more ways than one.

00:25:58.000 Go forth, try out this liberty thing.

00:26:01.000 And oh my goodness, it spread like wildfire.

00:26:03.000 Every country that has civil society, they should say, thanks, America.

00:26:07.000 We owe you.

00:26:08.000 We rebelled against tyranny for a reason for a moral good and a moral government.

00:26:08.000 We started it.

00:26:12.000 And we should be proud of that every single day.

00:26:14.000 And for the societal deconstructionists and the arsonists that try to say this bitter lie, they say, well, America was founded on slavery.

00:26:24.000 And if I may, Jack, go into this.

00:26:27.000 You're quoting now, who is that?

00:26:28.000 Nicole Hannah Jones.

00:26:30.000 She has a very perplexing way we give credit. 1.00

00:26:33.000 She has red hair.

00:26:34.000 I just don't quite understand.

00:26:34.000 Sorry, go ahead.

00:26:35.000 Yeah.

00:26:36.000 No, no.

00:26:36.000 I mean, yeah, I want to give credit where credit is due.

00:26:39.000 When complete rubbish gets spewed from the paper of record, I want to make sure I get it right, unlike them because they don't get it right. 0.99

00:26:47.000 So, Nicole Hannah Jones, she is on a pathological campaign to make sure your kids hate America. 0.98

00:26:52.000 And so, Nicole Hannah Jones, red hair, see her on TV, always talking about how awful white people are and how awful our country is. 1.00

00:26:58.000 She's a bitter racist. 1.00

00:26:58.000 I actually call her racist because I think racism is hatred of anyone of any skin color at any time. 1.00

00:27:03.000 I think it is sinful and hateful and awful, and it is a sin.

00:27:07.000 Okay.

00:27:07.000 That's simple.

00:27:09.000 So she says that our country was founded in 1619, the first year that slaves came to our country.

00:27:15.000 This is not correct.

00:27:16.000 It's not.

00:27:17.000 So if you actually look at the founding of our country, 1776, this great leap forward 2,000 years forward, derived, of course, from the teachings of Athens and the combination of Jerusalem, Aristotle, Plato, Descartes, Aquinas, Locke, all the best practices put into one, authored by who?

00:27:31.000 Thomas Jefferson, very important.

00:27:32.000 I'll get back to him in a second, who says, Laws of nature and nature is God.

00:27:35.000 What happens in 1777?

00:27:37.000 First state ever to abolish slavery, Vermont, says, that's it, we're done.

00:27:41.000 We're inspired by this document.

00:27:41.000 Why?

00:27:43.000 They abolished slavery.

00:27:44.000 We were inspired on the abolition of slavery.

00:27:46.000 When they were putting together the Constitution, it was never a conversation ever.

00:27:50.000 Don't let the people, the New York Times and Nicole Hannah Jones, tell you any different.

00:27:53.000 It was never a question of whether or not we would have slavery.

00:27:56.000 It was how we were going to get rid of this sinful practice.

00:27:59.000 It was around for thousands of years.

00:28:00.000 It was around before Christ.

00:28:01.000 It was around after Christ.

00:28:02.000 It is a sin. 0.99

00:28:03.000 So our country was founded.

00:28:04.000 Constitutional Convention, 1787.

00:28:06.000 In 1787, George Washington says, no new slaves at all, no slavery in the Northwest Territory.

00:28:11.000 So anything export, no slavery at all.

00:28:14.000 They won't teach your kids that.

00:28:15.000 Then, moving forward in the Constitution, you can read it yourself, 20-year moratorium on the slave trade.

00:28:19.000 You got 20 years, southern states, then it is coming to an end.

00:28:23.000 Reappears Thomas Jefferson actually introduced a bill in the early 1790s in the Virginia House of Commons.

00:28:28.000 He said that slavery was an awful practice.

00:28:31.000 I want to get rid of it.

00:28:32.000 Now, mind you, it was probably one of the most perplexing pieces of hypocrisy in history because he himself was a slave owner, but he still was arguing for a moral good societally.

00:28:41.000 Failed in the Virginia House eventually.

00:28:43.000 Eventually, of course, it succeeded.

00:28:45.000 We saw in the 1790s almost every single northern state abolished slavery.

00:28:50.000 By the time 1807 happened, Thomas Jefferson had his time to shine.

00:28:54.000 Thomas Jefferson, third president of the United States of our country, that 20 years, tick, in the Constitution, right?

00:29:00.000 They did that as a bargain of the southern states.

00:29:02.000 Thomas Jefferson, on the first day he was legally able to abolish the incoming of any new slaves into the United States of America 20 years into our founding. 0.87

00:29:10.000 That is something we should be proud of. 0.95

00:29:13.000 We were founded from the moment that we started that said that this was wrong and this is evil.

00:29:18.000 Now, mind you, it wasn't a perfect history.

00:29:20.000 It went through decades of ups and downs and we went through a bloody civil war.

00:29:23.000 But show me another country that sacrificed so much, brother against brother and father against son, to accomplish something that what?

00:29:31.000 The churches were screaming in the pews and the pulpits.

00:29:34.000 And Thaddeus Stevens was inspired by a pastor to go to Congress and say, Slavery is anti-American.

00:29:42.000 Our founder said it.

00:29:43.000 Thaddeus Stevens said it.

00:29:44.000 We fought this bitter civil war and Abraham Lincoln kept the Republic together on this union-ist idea that I think America's best day can be ahead of us where all men are equal and free.

00:29:56.000 Fast forward all the way to Frederick Douglass, where he says that we need to abolish slavery.

00:30:00.000 Why?

00:30:00.000 Because I'm so inspired by the Declaration of Independence.

00:30:03.000 He was an abolitionist, a black Republican who understood it.

00:30:06.000 Go all the way fast forward to the great Martin Luther King Jr., who himself lived a very, let's say, he had questionable moral decisions, but he was arguing for what?

00:30:14.000 A moral good.

00:30:15.000 Why do I keep on saying this?

00:30:16.000 Because people can act sinfully personally, but argue for something righteously publicly, and they should be remembered for what they did good publicly, not for what they did less than desirably privately.

00:30:27.000 It's a very important thing.

00:30:28.000 People say, well, we got to get rid of all these people, but dare you forget what they sacrificed for our country.

00:30:32.000 And Martin Luther King said in that beautiful speech, I come here to cash in the check of the promissory note of the Declaration of Independence.

00:30:42.000 He didn't say that this document was racist.

00:30:45.000 He didn't say we got to shred it from its roots.

00:30:47.000 He says, this document says all men are created equal.

00:30:51.000 And I'm telling you, Congress, to pass the Civil Rights Act.

00:30:53.000 From that moment that we started this country to the Civil Rights Act of the 1960s, it was a constant theme, a margin of progression to be better.

00:31:01.000 And isn't that what we do every single day in our own life to try to be better today than we were yesterday?

00:31:05.000 We cannot forget our history.

00:31:07.000 We should be proud of it.

00:31:08.000 No other country has pursued a moral good like the United States of America.

00:31:12.000 Be proud of this country.

00:31:25.000 Charlie, are we not, though, now reaping 50, 60 years of university, what's the word?

00:31:35.000 Indoctrination.

00:31:36.000 Indoctrination.

00:31:37.000 And I was going to say a detox from truth regarding the Teaching of wrong history, teaching of absolute craziness, where now these kids are adults and now they're in Congress or now they're running.

00:31:53.000 They're whatever they are and they hate this nation.

00:31:56.000 They don't even know it.

00:31:57.000 They don't even know a bit of what you just said.

00:32:00.000 Have we not made these kids in our universities, in our public school system?

00:32:05.000 Absolutely.

00:32:06.000 And look, this is going to be a very difficult thing for us to societally unpack as a culture in the next couple of years.

00:32:13.000 But we have to admit that we were much more afraid of off losing societal status than our kids possibly being trained to not believe in God and hate America.

00:32:24.000 And we sent our kids to these universities for decades, and then they all of a sudden become bitter, resentful activists in the streets.

00:32:31.000 And we said, where did I go wrong?

00:32:32.000 Well, you sent the indoctrination camp might have played a very big role in that.

00:32:37.000 And it's a mass media campaign.

00:32:39.000 And understand, I'm actually very optimistic about this because I think that in some ways I do believe that, well, first of all, we're going to win because we've already won.

00:32:47.000 And so it's really, in some ways, the battle was already done by Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.

00:32:52.000 So in some ways, all of this is kind of just, let's bring as many people along, let's do the best we can, and all that.

00:32:57.000 So I have a cheerfulness to me when I'm able to fight this stuff.

00:33:01.000 Do you realize we're up against very bitter, resentful, and arrogant people?

00:33:06.000 Do you notice that?

00:33:07.000 And they're bitter in some ways because a lot of them have not yet come to Christ.

00:33:10.000 They don't believe in God.

00:33:11.000 They're resentful for not very good reason, but they've been taught in gratitude, right?

00:33:16.000 So here's the divide that's happened in America right now: is that we have one side of our country that is incredibly angry that they live in America.

00:33:24.000 The other side is incredibly thankful that they live in America.

00:33:27.000 You see, the Bible in the New Testament talks about this quite a lot.

00:33:31.000 And you could cite the scriptures far better than I can, Pastor Jack.

00:33:34.000 The importance of gratitude, the importance of saying thanks.

00:33:37.000 And I think that we have an entire day that's uniquely American, Thanksgiving, around that idea of saying thanks.

00:33:42.000 It's a uniquely Christian thing, actually, when you think about it. 0.96

00:33:45.000 Because how could an atheist say thanks? 0.95

00:33:47.000 Who are they thanking? 1.00

00:33:49.000 Right?

00:33:49.000 I mean, seriously, who are they saying thank you to themselves?

00:33:52.000 I mean, that's a really, maybe that's incredibly narcissistic.

00:33:55.000 Maybe they are.

00:33:56.000 Explains a lot.

00:33:58.000 But you're thankful that a creator was able to give you this gift.

00:34:03.000 You're thankful for a family.

00:34:04.000 You're thankful you're breathing.

00:34:05.000 You're thankful for all these different things.

00:34:07.000 I think that gratitude is the fruit that makes all other things taste sweet.

00:34:10.000 I think that if you don't have gratitude, especially for a country that you live in, then why wouldn't you rip that country apart and then why wouldn't you destroy it?

00:34:18.000 Well, gratitude comes from an understanding of the passage and the journey that your country has had.

00:34:22.000 So you remove the history, you by definition, then remove the gratitude.

00:34:25.000 And it's very diabolical and incredibly pathological because the people that are purveying it and communicating to our kids, they're actually themselves very, very resentful people.

00:34:33.000 You will not find a thankful person teaching gratitude to another person.

00:34:36.000 It's almost never.

00:34:37.000 Ingratitude is passed from one ingrateful person to another, almost always, right?

00:34:41.000 And so you have an ingrateful person passing upon their ingratitude.

00:34:44.000 And this happens because one of the few ways that they can psychologically cope with the nihilism that sets in when you don't believe in an ultimate creator, you don't believe in the type of ecclesia that we're able to gather, the only way you can cope and find meaning is be able to get other people to be miserable alongside you.

00:35:00.000 It's that old adage.

00:35:01.000 We say it a lot, misery loves company.

00:35:03.000 And my goodness, is that true?

00:35:04.000 And so I asked myself the question a couple things.

00:35:08.000 Young men in particular, because there's a crisis with young men in our country.

00:35:11.000 We've got to get really serious about it.

00:35:13.000 It's a very serious thing.

00:35:14.000 And people say, you're not allowed to talk about it.

00:35:16.000 So that means I talk about it a lot extra because there's a real crisis here.

00:35:20.000 And there's a crisis with young women too, but it's different.

00:35:24.000 The male crisis actually, I think, is in some ways much, much more urgent.

00:35:29.000 Because young men come to me and say, Charlie, what am I supposed to live for?

00:35:32.000 So find something that you could take responsibility for.

00:35:36.000 Don't just indulge yourself all the time.

00:35:38.000 They say, well, what does that mean?

00:35:41.000 Responsibility means that if you're not there, someone else fails.

00:35:45.000 That's what responsibility is.

00:35:46.000 That's right.

00:35:47.000 You're not there, your kid doesn't get picked up from school.

00:35:50.000 You're not there, your small group falls apart.

00:35:52.000 You're not there, your job is less effective.

00:35:54.000 That is responsibility.

00:35:55.000 Go find some and put as much on your shoulders you could possibly bear.

00:35:59.000 And it's going to get awful and tough, and go do it.

00:36:02.000 Because that's actually what's going to give you meaning.

00:36:04.000 And we don't teach our kids this. 0.98

00:36:06.000 Instead, we teach our men in particular, we teach our men in particular, you're awful. 0.97

00:36:12.000 Okay, I got that. 0.99

00:36:12.000 No, you're really awful. 0.99

00:36:13.000 Okay, thanks. 1.00

00:36:16.000 Go become a woman. 1.00

00:36:16.000 Like, what? 1.00

00:36:17.000 No, I don't want to do that.

00:36:20.000 And in fact, we tell them there's something so incredibly awful.

00:36:25.000 We teach them, we break them down so much that we wonder why youth suicide is going up so dramatically.

00:36:33.000 We wonder why drug usage and social isolation, it's like, well, maybe you shouldn't have spent the first 15 years of that young man's life saying they're the worst thing on the planet.

00:36:42.000 Maybe instead you should have said, go pick yourself up, stop acting like a punk, don't swear, stop doing drugs, get up earlier and find some meaning in your life, and that means responsibility. 0.97

00:36:52.000 And that's how you got to talk to young men because it's different than young women. 0.71

00:36:57.000 And it's talked about in Proverbs, right? 1.00

00:36:59.000 If you don't work, you don't eat.

00:37:01.000 And I think there's actually a deeper psychological truth to that, actually, which is if you don't work, you don't find responsibility, you're not going to be able to keep going, right?

00:37:10.000 What is the metaphorical truth behind eating?

00:37:12.000 It's that I can keep doing what I want to do to the next day, right?

00:37:16.000 And so for our crisis with young people, that's happening.

00:37:19.000 See, what colleges do and what they should do, but they don't, we'll kind of talk about it.

00:37:23.000 What colleges should do, let's start there.

00:37:25.000 Colleges should say, my goodness, what an awful, broken, chaotic world that we have.

00:37:31.000 I'm going to try to make you stronger so you can endure the suffering better, that you can straighten out your path, that you can have stronger shoulders, that you can bear the burden, and then you'll be more prepared for the forest, for the swamp, for the demons, for the people that will stab you in the back, because you're going to suffer.

00:37:51.000 But I'm going to help you make sure that you can endure it a little bit better so your life will be a little less miserable.

00:37:57.000 That's basically what we should teach them in college.

00:38:00.000 Instead, we teach them this.

00:38:02.000 If anything scares you, tell me and I'm going to remove it.

00:38:08.000 Seriously, this is what we do in college.

00:38:11.000 If anything dares challenge you, scream with your hands up and say microaggression, trigger warning, safe space.

00:38:17.000 I don't like the way that sounds.

00:38:19.000 Remove it from the conversation.

00:38:21.000 And we wonder why we have an entire generation, mostly, of kids that are afraid to leave their own shadow, are afraid to even have their own meaning.

00:38:31.000 It's because we have infantilized these children at the most important time of their life when we're supposed to be able to say, you're not the most important thing in the world.

00:38:41.000 Stop indulging yourself. 0.99

00:38:43.000 You're actually a coward for looking at that stuff on your phone at 2 a.m. 0.98

00:38:46.000 You're actually not doing something heroic by drinking more than the friend next to you. 0.99

00:38:52.000 No one cares how many social media likes that you have.

00:38:55.000 How about you go be loyal to a singular human being, get married, find a job, act with meaning, have a bunch of kids, and then go to church.

00:39:03.000 That's going to make your life better, not limitlessly indulging in the next chemical substance that might be on the table.

00:39:12.000 College does the exact opposite.

00:39:14.000 Charlie, you mentioned something earlier about suicide.

00:39:18.000 Yeah.

00:39:19.000 I've lost many friends to suicide.

00:39:21.000 Go ahead.

00:39:21.000 Yeah, no, no, regarding the age in which we're in right now, there's various ways to commit suicide.

00:39:27.000 And one of the ways to commit suicide almost always is the way of losing hope.

00:39:32.000 When hope is gone, you're done.

00:39:35.000 There's a lot that can go on in your life that doesn't lead to suicide, but when you lose hope, and hope is very, very, I believe, inseparably connected to purpose.

00:39:44.000 When you have hopelessness, you're done.

00:39:48.000 And that means you're done by either the rope or a gun.

00:39:52.000 You're done.

00:39:53.000 When you lose hope, you're dead.

00:39:55.000 And here's the thing.

00:39:56.000 A lot of young people today are in the basement in their pajamas at 2 o'clock in the afternoon.

00:40:04.000 And they're actually committing suicide.

00:40:08.000 They're en route to losing hope.

00:40:11.000 If they stay on that path, it may take a longer time.

00:40:14.000 Satan doesn't care.

00:40:16.000 As long as he gets you there.

00:40:18.000 Somebody could lose hope in a matter of moment because their dreams were dashed and the experiment blew up and it didn't work.

00:40:23.000 Or they lost all their money in the stock market in five seconds.

00:40:26.000 And they lose hope and they bite a bullet. 0.97

00:40:29.000 But the same terminus the enemy targets for any young man or young woman who sits in their house and rots without a purpose, Satan just licks his chops.

00:40:42.000 Well, yeah, and I want to, I've lost dear friends to suicide.

00:40:45.000 A friend of mine from high school, Eddie, committed suicide.

00:40:47.000 It's one of the hardest things that I had to process.

00:40:49.000 And for those of you that lost trends to suicide, it really does a torturous thing to the people around it.

00:40:54.000 It's not an easy thing.

00:40:55.000 It's not.

00:40:56.000 And a lot of prayer, a lot of reflection, and still I struggle with it because, my goodness, you know, what were the steps that were taken there?

00:41:02.000 It's a very serious thing.

00:41:04.000 And our politicians refuse to engage on this topic.

00:41:07.000 They just absolutely do.

00:41:09.000 And this is a cultural crisis.

00:41:10.000 And it's happening at an increasingly alarming rates.

00:41:14.000 And there's a couple things that I think that actually have contributed to this.

00:41:17.000 And there's not one sole piece of this.

00:41:20.000 But part of it is that we have taught young children and young people in particular self-esteem, not self-control.

00:41:28.000 And it's a very important thing.

00:41:29.000 And Dennis Prager talks about it a lot, and he's phenomenal, where if you actually teach people, as in the halls of Harvard, it's this beautiful quote, and they're going to remove it, I'm sure, because it makes far too much sense.

00:41:40.000 It says, the law are the wise restraints that keep men free.

00:41:45.000 And what that really is saying, that if you do whatever you want to do whenever you want to do it, you're actually going to be a slave to whatever those things are.

00:41:54.000 And when Christ said, we are going to liberate you from sin, he literally means that when you are free from the addiction and free from the sinful pattern and behavior that you have, but much more materially, as we have this in our country about suicide and self-worth, I think that in a lot of different ways, we have not been as blunt and as honest as we should about the reality of the world that we live in.

00:42:17.000 I think that we try to tell young people that we somehow can create a better, more comfortable world for you if we are just able to shut up a couple more voices and do all this, when we really should be talking about creating stronger, tougher people that can endure the incredible persecution and suffering that is inevitable in life, because life is absolutely a tragic exercise in suffering.

00:42:39.000 I mean, the Bible tells us, any sort of life experience tells us, we know that.

00:42:44.000 And so once you are able to communicate that clearly And young people say, wow, that sounds awful.

00:42:49.000 But here's what you can do about it.

00:42:51.000 Here's how you can actually get through it.

00:42:53.000 And that's where we get this wrong completely and totally, where the conversation, when it comes around meaning, what is going to keep you going from one day to the other, where you're not in your pajamas at 2 o'clock on the next day, is actually a doctrine of connectedness.

00:43:06.000 And we don't talk about this, where a lot of times people need to know that other people are relying on you.

00:43:11.000 And that's the idea of responsibility, right?

00:43:14.000 That's right.

00:43:14.000 Is that, of course, you have a responsibility for yourself, but why be responsible for yourself?

00:43:18.000 It's because another person is going to want to make sure they see you at 7 a.m. because you actually have something to offer this bitter and broken world, that you actually might have something deep within the bowels of your depraved existence that matters.

00:43:32.000 That you might have something that you can contribute for the betterment of the kingdom.

00:43:36.000 And when I talk about responsibility to young men and young people, they light up.

00:43:40.000 They say, oh, my goodness, that's really something.

00:43:43.000 I've never heard of that.

00:43:44.000 I've just heard about how everything around me is wrong and is awful.

00:43:47.000 And we talk about the responsibility of Christians, right?

00:43:50.000 There's so much responsibility put on our shoulders every single day, and there's a traitor microscope and persecution around that.

00:43:56.000 But suicide is nothing to be trivialized.

00:43:57.000 It's a very serious thing.

00:43:59.000 And there's many contributing factors to it, a lot.

00:44:02.000 And some of it, I think, stems from, in a lot of different ways, how we, how in a lot, I think social media plays a huge role in it.

00:44:09.000 I can go into a more practical sense of that.

00:44:11.000 I think those little smartphones that we all have have done incredible damage to social status of young people.

00:44:16.000 And I think we have to have the real conversation around that in our country.

00:44:19.000 But from a more serious sense, that I have this: there's someone listening to this inevitably by the law of averages.

00:44:26.000 And all I have to say is: if you're thinking any form of self-harm, all I have to say is, you know what?

00:44:31.000 You're right.

00:44:31.000 Life is really, really hard.

00:44:33.000 It is awful.

00:44:34.000 But there's something that you have to offer that actually might make somebody else's life a little less awful.

00:44:40.000 And that's a reason to keep going.

00:44:42.000 And if just one person needs to hear that today, then this visit was worth it.

00:44:48.000 So, Charlie, I want to change it up in a strange way to come into the conversation.

00:44:53.000 So, why is it that the physicians I know, physicians that attend this church, they tell me, Jack, the biggest thing to fear out there right now, medically, outside of cancers and outside of other things, diabetes and all, the biggest thing to fear out there right now, and I'm sorry, I can't say the name of the, but there's two flus that are out there that's been out there for a long time.

00:45:17.000 There's two flus running around that are very fatal, very dangerous, but COVID is way down on the list.

00:45:24.000 But you wouldn't get that by the media, you wouldn't get that by the press.

00:45:29.000 COVID is for real, we get it, but it's not the most lethal thing that's out there right now.

00:45:34.000 What's going on?

00:45:36.000 Yeah, I won't be able to comment on that in particular, but I will say, look, I lost a dear friend yesterday to the virus, and it's really hard to talk about and still wrestling through that and reconciling it.

00:45:49.000 The original mentor and person that believed in me at Turning Point USA, and he was 80 years old and internally optimistic person.

00:45:58.000 He was just, I mean, honestly, so if your life has been touched by anything I've ever said or Turning Point USA, you can thank this man, Bill Montgomery, for that, because he was a 72-year-old eternal optimist who grabbed me when I was 18 years old, and I was lost.

00:46:14.000 And it's a great lesson for anyone out there.

00:46:16.000 Who's saying, What can I contribute to the world?

00:46:18.000 Well, find a young person and do exactly what he did to me.

00:46:20.000 And he said, Charlie, I wasn't really sure what I wanted to do with my life.

00:46:24.000 And I didn't get into West Point.

00:46:26.000 College just wasn't speaking to me.

00:46:28.000 It just wasn't what I wanted to do.

00:46:29.000 And out of nowhere, like the Holy Spirit filled him and came to me at an event after I spoke at when I was 18 years old in high school.

00:46:36.000 This man came up to me, Bill, and he said, Charlie, don't go to college.

00:46:39.000 I said, What are you talking about?

00:46:40.000 Don't go to college.

00:46:41.000 What are you talking about?

00:46:41.000 Who are you?

00:46:43.000 And I'm in suburban America.

00:46:46.000 I have good grades.

00:46:47.000 You know, I'm an Eagle Scout.

00:46:48.000 Like, what?

00:46:49.000 Don't go to college?

00:46:51.000 And he had this smile that could light up an entire room.

00:46:54.000 And he said, don't go to college.

00:46:58.000 He said, I think that there's something in store for you, the likes of which you could never imagine.

00:47:02.000 And this was a 72-year-old.

00:47:04.000 And, geez.

00:47:07.000 So it was a very amazing journey.

00:47:09.000 And I ended up not going to college and starting Turning Point in June of 2012.

00:47:13.000 And he was the original mentor and traveled the country with me.

00:47:17.000 And I wanted to give up six months into it.

00:47:20.000 And he knew how to talk to me.

00:47:22.000 I'll tell you that much.

00:47:23.000 It's a really important thing, right?

00:47:25.000 Know how to talk to people who you're talking to.

00:47:28.000 He said, no.

00:47:28.000 He said, Charlie, you know what?

00:47:30.000 If you give up, I'll be very disappointed in you.

00:47:33.000 That's exactly what I needed to hear, guys.

00:47:35.000 That's exactly.

00:47:36.000 It's like, okay, that was it.

00:47:38.000 Not getting angry and all that.

00:47:39.000 And I kept going.

00:47:40.000 And, you know, I was an 18-year-old.

00:47:42.000 And boy, if I had a list of everyone that said I was not going to succeed, go back to college, do all these things.

00:47:49.000 But this guy, in the most idealistic sense, he just said, press on, press on.

00:47:54.000 And he was with me.

00:47:54.000 And it was more than just an urging.

00:47:56.000 He was the, for everything from the Uber driver.

00:47:58.000 You can't rent cars in your 18, right?

00:48:00.000 So when I was traveling, he helped rent cars.

00:48:02.000 I couldn't check into a hotel.

00:48:03.000 And he checked into hotels for me and handed me the keys.

00:48:06.000 And he was there in the tough moments and the tense moments.

00:48:09.000 Our operating budget was literally $8,000 for the entire year.

00:48:15.000 And he believed in me.

00:48:17.000 And like a prism, I kind of look at this as a prism theory.

00:48:20.000 His single beam of light, this guy that was living a life where he was just looking for someone to connect to, found an 18-year-old that was looking for that.

00:48:30.000 And we've impacted millions of people at Turning Point USA.

00:48:34.000 We're on 2,000 high school in college connected to that.

00:48:39.000 And it's a, and I apologize, Jack.

00:48:44.000 I know it's a deviation of what you said, but it has to, it has to, I really need to say this.

00:48:50.000 And it's a, if anyone's been touched by Turning Point or anyone, if you've been touched by anyone that's ever come through the ranks of Turning Point or spoke or the impact we've had for years, it can come back to that single piece of light, believing in a singular high schooler.

00:49:04.000 And, you know, tragically, he passed away yesterday, and that's a real hard thing for me to wrestle with.

00:49:10.000 And so, look, I just want to make sure I commit that to, you know, that I live out his legacy every single day and what we're doing.

00:49:18.000 And he would have told me to speak tonight.

00:49:21.000 I know that.

00:49:22.000 And that's why I'm here.

00:49:23.000 So the impact of a strong male.

00:49:30.000 A strong male, a biblically based masculinity is a very powerful life shaping. 0.99

00:49:39.000 And look, he was, yeah, and it's exactly right. 0.70

00:49:43.000 And so now I look at how all of a sudden, you know, I'm speaking to 2,000 people tonight, and we're talking to tens of thousands on the live stream.

00:49:50.000 I very easily could have been a lost cause.

00:49:53.000 I mean that.

00:49:54.000 I don't believe in the inevitability of my journey.

00:49:56.000 I don't.

00:49:57.000 People say, oh, Charlie, you would have come back.

00:49:59.000 I said, that's not true at all.

00:50:00.000 I know people far more talented than I that lost their path.

00:50:03.000 And so just one final thought on that is he happened to find me at the right time.

00:50:06.000 I happen to be ready to listen.

00:50:07.000 It's a great thing for a young person out there.

00:50:09.000 I happen to be ready to listen to it and take a crazy, bold path and step.

00:50:13.000 And God works in very mysterious ways, I can tell you.

00:50:16.000 And the final point I'll say is this, is that we look at our country and we look at how some of us are wondering when are things going to rise up.

00:50:27.000 It's that which is seen and unseen.

00:50:29.000 There are things happening in our country that we don't even recognize and realize that people that are being converted every single day when people are dropping the shackles of leftism and liberalism that are coming around there.

00:50:39.000 And you kind of look at these prisms of light that exist, right?

00:50:43.000 And that should be a lesson to everyone in this room.

00:50:45.000 Is there a young person?

00:50:47.000 Is there a person in general that needs to hear something that you have to say that can spread goodness further and further in the world?

00:50:53.000 And I'm a living extension of one person who did that.

00:50:57.000 I believe that.

00:50:58.000 Yep.

00:50:59.000 That's awesome, Charlie.

00:51:02.000 I believe that's an awesome argument to the reality of the Bible and the existence of God.

00:51:08.000 Our human capacity longs for opportunity like that.

00:51:14.000 We long for, when you're little, when you're so impressionable, you're looking, you don't even realize you're looking for a strong or good word to come to you.

00:51:23.000 But you know you want it.

00:51:25.000 You're not sure what you want until somebody says it.

00:51:28.000 And then someone says, you know what, you can do this, or whatever it might be.

00:51:31.000 That's why I organize team sports.

00:51:33.000 I'm a big fan of organized team sports.

00:51:36.000 I'm not against you being a tennis pro.

00:51:38.000 That's fantastic.

00:51:39.000 Or a golfer.

00:51:39.000 That's great.

00:51:40.000 But there's something about team.

00:51:41.000 I agree.

00:51:42.000 And when that is exchanged, which is an argument for us being created in the image of God, we don't do well, and we're not supposed to do well with being torn down.

00:51:52.000 But the moment somebody says, you know what, I think you can actually do that, it's that old saying that hope springs eternal.

00:51:59.000 Amen.

00:51:59.000 And you thank God for America, or America is thankful for you and having him speak into your life, and you are the result of one man's encouragement.

00:52:09.000 And it's the multiplier effect, and it just shows amazing.

00:52:13.000 You spread truth to one person who could spread it to millions, who can spread it to millions, and maybe they'll spread it to millions.

00:52:18.000 And all of a sudden, you have people that are organically communicating with each other that both have worldviews that were informed by the millions of ripples that no one even knew.

00:52:25.000 And maybe those people end up implicating, you know, millions of more.

00:52:28.000 And it can happen like that, and it will.

00:52:29.000 And I know that, and I've seen it happen.

00:52:31.000 And just to show you that, that's why I'm an eternal optimist with these things.

00:52:36.000 And I say this quite honestly, Jack.

00:52:38.000 People say, well, the left, they control Hollywood.

00:52:40.000 Big tech, absolutely.

00:52:40.000 You bet.

00:52:41.000 They control most of government.

00:52:42.000 The deep state, the schools, they control the civil service, all that.

00:52:46.000 Yeah, Charlie, how can we optimistic?

00:52:47.000 It's like, let them have all of that.

00:52:49.000 Just give me the truth and let them have that, because that's the one thing they do not have.

00:52:53.000 They don't.

00:52:53.000 They don't have.

00:52:54.000 And they can have all of that.

00:52:54.000 They don't have it.

00:52:58.000 My experience is this.

00:52:59.000 One sentence of truth can deflate a lifetime of lies.

00:53:02.000 One sentence.

00:53:03.000 And I get messages every single day on our podcast and what we are doing with people.

00:53:03.000 That's right.

00:53:08.000 And they say, Charlie, you said one thing that really resonated with me.

00:53:12.000 I sometimes laugh because sometimes it's not the most wise thing that I thought I could have possibly said.

00:53:17.000 Like, you said this one sentence and it put me on a path to the red pill.

00:53:21.000 And I'm like, you know, the whole Morpheus analogy is working very well, right?

00:53:28.000 And so, and sometimes it's something as simple as, if socialism was so good, why did the caravan go to America, not Venezuela?

00:53:35.000 And they said, once you said that, it all kind of came together.

00:53:38.000 Like, that's what did it for me?

00:53:39.000 Did you guys all get that?

00:53:40.000 He said that so fast.

00:53:41.000 Did you all get that?

00:53:43.000 So if socialism was so great, why did the caravan come north for America, not south for Venezuela?

00:53:48.000 Why does the movement of human beings always come towards societies that are rooted in individual initiative and liberty, not in tyranny and collectivized control?

00:53:57.000 I mean, human beings will gravitate towards what is actually prosperous, good, and true.

00:54:01.000 And so there's a lot of, there's actually a tremendous amount of truth behind it.

00:54:03.000 I'm not trying to trivialize it.

00:54:05.000 No, Prager just recently said that during the 300 and some odd years of slave trading, that 304,000 slaves were captured by Muslim slave traders in North Africa and then put on the market and sold to the United States.

00:54:24.000 304,000 during those centuries.

00:54:31.000 But in the last 15 years, there's been 2.5 million North Africans immigrate to the United States by choice.

00:54:40.000 The United States is still the number one place.

00:54:44.000 By the way, we receive more immigrant applications than any other nation on earth, still. 0.95

00:54:48.000 And the United States is the only country that people break into. 1.00

00:54:53.000 They want to come here.

00:54:55.000 Remember what we're being told: we are so bad, we are so terrible, yet.

00:54:59.000 Yeah, it's a perplexing thing.

00:55:01.000 We're the only country in the history of the world where even those who say they hate it refuse to leave.

00:55:10.000 They even promised us that they would leave.

00:55:13.000 That's how you know you live in actually an awesome country.

00:55:17.000 I hate this place. 0.98

00:55:19.000 I hate this place. 0.98

00:55:20.000 Let's go to Donald.

00:55:21.000 Tom Colin Kaepernick, you're now worth $50 million.

00:55:24.000 That's how you actually know you live in an awesome country where you can get so rich at hating that country.

00:55:28.000 I mean, it's incredible.

00:55:30.000 It was a cottage industry.

00:55:31.000 Only in America can you too become worth $50 million, saying that you live in an awful place.

00:55:37.000 And there's a tremendous amount of truth with that.

00:55:39.000 And it's almost become fashionable to hate everything around you, right?

00:55:43.000 And it's actually, it takes more wisdom, more restraint, more maturity to actually say, no, there's actually been generations of sacrifice to create all the institutions around us.

00:55:54.000 But it's actually the actions of a petulant child that would act that way because there's no gratitude for what preceded them.

00:56:01.000 Yep.

00:56:02.000 So let's talk about this upcoming election.

00:56:07.000 Sure.

00:56:08.000 Let's talk about truth.

00:56:10.000 Let's talk about what's at stake.

00:56:13.000 Let's talk about the fact, let's be honest, and I know you and I know this really well: is the fact that Donald Trump being in the presidency, no matter how or what you think about him, remember, the night that the election started, he was down by 20 points.

00:56:29.000 He wasn't supposed to win.

00:56:33.000 He not only became the president, but he became the president in spite of the Republican Party and CNN and the Democrat Party.

00:56:45.000 Listen, here's the deal.

00:56:49.000 Here's the thing. 0.98

00:56:51.000 What's with Christians who can't vote? 1.00

00:56:54.000 What are they doing? 1.00

00:56:56.000 Well, yeah, let's dive into that.

00:56:57.000 But first, you know, the guy who came down the golden escalator defeated 16 other Republicans, called out how both parties have betrayed the American middle class, beat the media, beat the Clintons, beat the Bushes, beat voter fraud, deep state, and big tech, gets spied on, becomes president.

00:57:22.000 They launch a fake Russia Mueller probe.

00:57:24.000 We end up moving the embassy to leading the Iran deal, killing Qassam Soleimani, Baghdadi, eliminating ISIS. 0.54

00:57:33.000 Most pro-life president in American history.

00:57:35.000 Say it again.

00:57:36.000 Say it again.

00:57:36.000 Most pro-life president.

00:57:38.000 Most pro-life president in American history.

00:57:48.000 You got Gorsuch, you got Kavanaugh, you got over 200 circuit court judges, more regulations cut than any other president since Abraham Lincoln, believe it or not.

00:57:57.000 We have the best economy in American history.

00:58:00.000 They throw a virus at us.

00:58:03.000 However you believe it came here, we can dive into that, but whatever.

00:58:07.000 You're going to hear more soon.

00:58:09.000 And we lock down our country.

00:58:12.000 Then we decide that we're an awful country. 1.00

00:58:14.000 We want to burn it down to the ground, race riots. 0.99

00:58:16.000 Oh, and they impeached him back in January and we thought we were going to go to war with Iran.

00:58:20.000 Did you think it was going to be easy when a disruptor became president?

00:58:24.000 Did you think that all of a sudden this was going to be a seamless entry into all of a sudden putting the power back to the people away from the kingdom of Washington, D.C.?

00:58:34.000 No, this actually makes a lot of sense.

00:58:37.000 This makes sense that the man that is there, he is a vessel for each and every one of you that believes that the ruling class in our country has not been serving your best interest.

00:58:50.000 One other thought on that, Jack.

00:58:52.000 He is, you know, people say, well, I don't like his tone.

00:58:54.000 I don't like his tweets.

00:58:55.000 I don't like all that.

00:58:57.000 Well, that's fine.

00:58:58.000 I think that's a separate topic in some ways.

00:59:00.000 Look, he's the bodyguard to civil society.

00:59:05.000 He's guarding the door.

00:59:07.000 It's that simple.

00:59:11.000 When you hire a bodyguard to defend your family when riots are outside, do you go and tap them on the shoulder when the bullets are flying and they're coming closer?

00:59:22.000 Hey, hey, man, can I look at your tweets?

00:59:29.000 And he's like, you understand the mob's right there, right?

00:59:32.000 And I'll take care of it.

00:59:34.000 Just make sure I stay here and I don't leave the door because civil society is right there.

00:59:40.000 Like, I got to stay right here in front of this door and I'm going to make sure I hold them back.

00:59:46.000 Can you fix your tone a little bit?

00:59:49.000 It's like, did I not just mention the mob is literally right there that wants to burn everything down?

00:59:55.000 So I kind of think it's a clumsy argument, to be honest with you.

00:59:59.000 Because we are not electing a human being.

01:00:02.000 Get that out of your mind.

01:00:03.000 The United States presidency is electing a worldview.

01:00:06.000 It's electing an entire infrastructure of a philosophy of ideals, ideas, and how you want the government in the country to go.

01:00:14.000 Donald Trump is merely a representation of civil society.

01:00:17.000 Donald Trump is merely a placeholder for what is moral and what is good.

01:00:22.000 And my goodness, I'll tell you what.

01:00:26.000 I kind of like the fact that he punches back a little bit.

01:00:28.000 I like the fact that he fights.

01:00:34.000 You know, I think that what is not defended ends up decaying.

01:00:39.000 That what is not put forward with truth ends up getting robbed by what is evil and dark.

01:00:44.000 And people say, well, Charlie, I just think that he's had a very checkered and troubled past.

01:00:50.000 They say, well, if I could be as good as you one day, please give me the instruction manual for that.

01:00:55.000 That's the big deal.

01:00:57.000 People will say always, well, you know, he's got a checkered past.

01:01:00.000 Every single one of you have got a checkered past.

01:01:04.000 We all do.

01:01:04.000 Amen.

01:01:05.000 He's not the guy that he used to be.

01:01:05.000 Here's the thing.

01:01:07.000 You know, we're America.

01:01:09.000 We're supposed to be so forgiving and so kind and so prone to give people a second chance.

01:01:14.000 But we turn around and we go after this guy.

01:01:18.000 And here's what I'd like to put out before you.

01:01:21.000 Look how his kids speak and treat and their relationship with each other.

01:01:27.000 Did you know, where were we?

01:01:28.000 We were somewhere not too long ago where the Trump kids, did you know the Trump kids get a call from him every day?

01:01:36.000 No matter where he is in the world, he calls his kids every day.

01:01:40.000 Look how they speak about their dad.

01:01:43.000 And here's the cool thing.

01:01:45.000 That dude's got way more stuff vested in this nation than we do.

01:01:50.000 The guy owns an empire, and he's responsible for tens of thousands of employees.

01:01:56.000 But his biggest treasure is his grandkids.

01:02:00.000 He's got a lot going on.

01:02:01.000 If I had his billions, I would not be president.

01:02:07.000 Your church would be a little bigger.

01:02:07.000 Right?

01:02:09.000 Think about it.

01:02:10.000 You would, you would, why would you be 74 years old and take on that job?

01:02:17.000 And here's, and I'll be quiet with this.

01:02:19.000 If you have any doubt about him getting the job done or who or what he stands for, look at who his enemies are.

01:02:29.000 That's exactly right.

01:02:30.000 And so There's a lot of Christians that say, Well, I'm not going to, and there's certain publications that have done this, and you know them better than I do Christian publications.

01:02:42.000 And they say, Well, I'm not going to tolerate Donald Trump and all of his shenanigans and all this sort of stuff.

01:02:48.000 I say, Man, you must be really okay with a million abortions a year to have that kind of snobbish, elitist attitude.

01:02:54.000 And I'm not willing to go in front of my creator with that kind of cockiness, my friend.

01:02:59.000 I am not willing to face judgment and say, you know, the million abortion a year thing, I decided to stay silent on that because I didn't like a guy's tone.

01:03:18.000 I'm not prepared to make that argument.

01:03:20.000 I'm not.

01:03:21.000 And nor am I saying you should make an excuse.

01:03:24.000 That's not what I'm saying.

01:03:25.000 Instead, what I'm saying is, my goodness, you have a vessel for the first time.

01:03:30.000 You had a president speak at the March for Life in our country.

01:03:32.000 George W. Bush didn't speak at all.

01:03:35.000 That's right.

01:03:36.000 And so then, you know, let's talk about this.

01:03:38.000 And people say, well, Charlie, I really love George W. Bush.

01:03:41.000 He's a very nice person.

01:03:41.000 That's fine.

01:03:42.000 He's a Christian and all that.

01:03:44.000 But you have John Roberts thinking to George W. Bush.

01:03:47.000 John Roberts just ruled that churches are not essential, that salvation is not essential.

01:03:51.000 And the Calvary Chapel in Las Vegas closed, and now you're seeing persecution of Christians across the country, George W. Bush.

01:03:57.000 But guess what?

01:03:58.000 The two justices that Donald Trump put on the court, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, said clearly and emphatically, church is essential and churches should remain oak.

01:04:05.000 Hold on a second. 0.72

01:04:06.000 Ivory Tower Christians in the Southern Baptist Convention since you're better human beings than I am, explained to me very clearly. 0.97

01:04:12.000 The Christian George W. Bush put John Roberts on the court and the three times married, twice divorced, once cover of the Playboy magazine person that you think is vulgar and awful, he's defending Christianity more than the person that you say is more fit to be president.

01:04:26.000 So don't give me that nonsense for any second whatsoever. 0.66

01:04:30.000 Because I am so clearly right now and boy, my goodness, it is this ivory tower, I'm better than you are, snobbish style of Christianity that I have, my patience is zero, done nothing with it.

01:04:46.000 Okay?

01:04:47.000 And it is, it is, and I see some of that, I watch some of their speeches, I read some of their writings, and they say, oh, this is so unacceptable, and this and decline of a nation and all of that.

01:04:56.000 And I say, my goodness, I just, I cannot get to a place where I am perfectly acceptable and okay with the United States Supreme Court saying that churches are not essential.

01:05:05.000 I'm going to fight for justice as I fight for that.

01:05:07.000 I'm going to fight for the rule of law.

01:05:09.000 I'm going to fight for the unborn.

01:05:10.000 I'm going to fight for someone who fights for those certain things.

01:05:13.000 And the final point I'll say is this: you know, some Christians reconcile, they have to have a tough time squaring in.

01:05:19.000 They say, Well, I don't know if I'm going to vote.

01:05:21.000 I'm not going to do any of that stuff.

01:05:22.000 Politics is beneath me and all this.

01:05:24.000 And I think it's a very simple decision-making matrix.

01:05:27.000 I ask the question: I say, Well, does God care how you act?

01:05:30.000 And any reasonable Christian says, Yeah, of course, yeah. 0.50

01:05:33.000 Well, is voting acting? 0.94

01:05:35.000 Well, yeah.

01:05:36.000 So, does God care how you vote?

01:05:38.000 Yes, of course he does.

01:05:39.000 If you're voting for people that are okay and want to increase the amount of unborn children that are terminated in the womb every single year, how is that not an extension of your moral action?

01:05:49.000 How is that not an extension of your biblical worldview?

01:05:51.000 How is that not an extension of the text that you're reading that says all people are made in the image of God?

01:05:57.000 Of course, he cares about how you vote.

01:05:59.000 Of course.

01:06:01.000 You raised, listen, this is very interesting because I can speak to this a little bit: that there are more Bible studies and prayer meetings in this administration and cabinet than any other recorded time in American history.

01:06:19.000 And that's an absolute fact.

01:06:24.000 And what's amazing about what's going on is This president, one of the first things, many of you don't know this, but before President Trump was even sworn into office, he turned to a man who was tapped with writing the 2016 Republican Party platform.

01:06:55.000 And you know that guy.

01:06:58.000 And Donald Trump turned to Tony Perkins and said, I need, I want, I'm going to do this the first chance I get, and that is I want to get Christians that are being religiously persecuted in other parts of the world.

01:07:15.000 I want to get them home.

01:07:16.000 This president is incredibly committed to religious freedoms and religious rights.

01:07:22.000 And we are told, I have the opportunity to be on what's called Evangelicals for Trump, the EFT team.

01:07:29.000 It's about 50 pastors.

01:07:31.000 And then I also happen to be on the fifth team with this faith initiative team, which is just a handful of guys.

01:07:36.000 But having said that, I remember being in Miami with the president, and he walked into a room of just a handful of people and he said, and they were all pastors.

01:07:44.000 And he said, give them that book.

01:07:47.000 If you give them the book, your community will do fine.

01:07:52.000 Now, that's quite a statement to make.

01:07:55.000 He didn't have to make it.

01:07:57.000 But I'm moved by that.

01:08:01.000 It's something that you didn't hear from Bush or you didn't hear from Obama or you didn't, you just didn't hear that kind of stuff.

01:08:08.000 He may, I don't know where President Trump's faith is at.

01:08:11.000 He believes in God.

01:08:12.000 I don't know where he's at regarding his salvation.

01:08:15.000 I do not know that.

01:08:16.000 However, he's just like either Jehu in the Bible or Cyrus.

01:08:23.000 God, you cannot deny that God is using him.

01:08:27.000 You cannot deny that.

01:08:28.000 The first president to ever acknowledge Israel and its capital being in Jerusalem.

01:08:34.000 You have a new book coming up.

01:08:36.000 Oh, geez, it's not public yet.

01:08:39.000 Well, I'm actually working on it.

01:08:40.000 I mean, yes, I'm happy to talk about it.

01:08:42.000 We're still working on the finalization, but you guys are like family, so I'll share it with you.

01:08:47.000 So, yeah, it's a book where I'm challenging the idea that every kid needs to go to college.

01:08:57.000 And it's going to be, I'm thinking the right way to write it and the right way to present it.

01:09:04.000 But I think that this cultural expectation that we have set on young people that they have to go to four-year university, I think it is unhealthy.

01:09:12.000 I think it's financially troubling.

01:09:13.000 It's culturally troubling.

01:09:15.000 And I think that it's time that someone speaks out against it.

01:09:19.000 I'm either in the worst or the best position to speak out against it because I didn't go to college.

01:09:23.000 So I think in some ways I'm in a good position to make that argument.

01:09:27.000 Look, make a mistake.

01:09:29.000 I am not anti-the university in the ideal sense.

01:09:31.000 I think the university can and should be a place where ideas can be shared in a Socratic method where we can find universal truth and that we can be able to hear the other side.

01:09:42.000 That doesn't happen at a university.

01:09:44.000 I think that you should have a place that exists that trains young people to be able to endure the world they're about to enter.

01:09:50.000 That is not the university.

01:09:52.000 I think we should have a place where it is more about education than accreditation.

01:09:56.000 That is not the university.

01:09:57.000 We have a culture right now where we have people that are borrowing money they do not have to study things that don't matter to find jobs that do not exist.

01:10:05.000 And I'm a massive.

01:10:07.000 That's so true.

01:10:08.000 I'm a massive proponent of an exit exam for anyone that goes to college.

01:10:13.000 Show me what you have learned by the time you graduate in order to get your diploma.

01:10:18.000 I mean, that would kind of be nice, right?

01:10:19.000 You should be able to pass a very basic U.S. civics course.

01:10:22.000 You should be able to tell me the difference between Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.

01:10:27.000 You should be able, just basic things, right?

01:10:29.000 And that doesn't happen.

01:10:30.000 Let's just look at the fruit of which has been delivered from the university.

01:10:35.000 The New York Federal Reserve said that 40% of recent college graduates are now employed in jobs, if they're employed at all, of jobs that do not require a college degree.

01:10:46.000 Mind you, 41% of kids that go to college will not graduate.

01:10:49.000 So we are dealing with an overpopulation problem of our colleges.

01:10:53.000 And I'm going to be very honest with you: the amount that you parents are paying in tuition is outrageous and it's a scam.

01:10:59.000 That's right.

01:10:59.000 And it really is.

01:11:00.000 And you are paying tens of thousands of dollars for something that I think, quite honestly, is one of the most disingenuous, deceiving cultural expectations we have.

01:11:10.000 It's absolutely true.

01:11:11.000 So little of what they pay goes to the actual education of their child.

01:11:15.000 They're paying austerity programs.

01:11:16.000 They're paying retirement programs.

01:11:18.000 They're paying for so many things.

01:11:18.000 Correct.

01:11:21.000 Yeah, and so you have to ask yourself the question: why do I want to go to college?

01:11:25.000 So I always make the argument: start from the default position, I'm not going to go to college, and then prove to myself why I should go to college.

01:11:31.000 That's very true.

01:11:32.000 And so just start from the default.

01:11:33.000 Now, we don't.

01:11:33.000 Right now, we start from the default I am.

01:11:35.000 So we ask high school seniors, hey, where are you going to school?

01:11:39.000 Not why are you going to school.

01:11:41.000 When I ask high school seniors, hey, why are you going to college?

01:11:43.000 I don't get the best answers, to be honest.

01:11:45.000 Oh, they have a good sports team.

01:11:46.000 My parents are making me.

01:11:47.000 Parents are making you bad reason, to be perfectly honest.

01:11:50.000 And I'm going to speak this with love and compassion.

01:11:53.000 Parents, you've got to have better reasons to send your kids to college.

01:11:55.000 Just thinking that it's a Charlie, I agree.

01:11:59.000 Listen, and how about this?

01:12:01.000 And you probably write about this in your book that's coming up.

01:12:06.000 That has been written.

01:12:07.000 So I've had parents actually say to me.

01:12:11.000 You guys are really ahead of the curve.

01:12:12.000 I've had parents say to me in the foyer or in the courtyard, Pastor Jack, any good colleges?

01:12:19.000 What do you think in universities?

01:12:22.000 And I say what Charlie just said.

01:12:23.000 Are you sure?

01:12:25.000 Why don't you have them take a year off first before they even go?

01:12:28.000 And then let me ask you this: Are you going to pay for it?

01:12:32.000 Oh, I've been saving up all my life for my kid to go to college.

01:12:35.000 Can you imagine if you take that money and you go into business in a passion for your child?

01:12:41.000 Like, let's say your kid's mechanically inclined.

01:12:43.000 Or let's say your kid is whatever.

01:12:45.000 You know your kid.

01:12:46.000 What if you went into business with him?

01:12:48.000 Or what if you helped him start something?

01:12:51.000 He'll learn more.

01:12:52.000 Even if that business were to fail, he would learn more than he would be learning in a college.

01:12:59.000 No doubt.

01:13:00.000 And so we have to ask ourselves the question: I completely agree.

01:13:06.000 What is the college system producing? 0.85

01:13:08.000 Generally, they're producing ungrateful, arrogant, resentful, bitter people. 0.54

01:13:13.000 And so maybe there's something wrong with the institution. 0.73

01:13:15.000 Of course, there is, where conservatives like myself have to show up with an army that could stage a coup in Guatemala.

01:13:22.000 I mean, I show up with a standing army, the likes of which helicopters are flying over.

01:13:26.000 I kids, you know, I've spoken at universities in this state, UCLA, UC, Berkeley, Stanford.

01:13:31.000 I've spoken all across the state.

01:13:32.000 We had one in Long Beach where they had to shut down the entire sector because I'm such a dangerous, hateful person.

01:13:39.000 Because I say Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior, God is real, and there's only two genders.

01:13:42.000 Like, what a crazy thing to say, right? 0.99

01:13:44.000 So, not exactly the world's most controversial thing you could possibly do.

01:13:50.000 And by the way, I never attack people personally.

01:13:52.000 I say it compassionately and lovingly, and I try my best to do that.

01:13:55.000 I should say, I don't always succeed.

01:13:57.000 But for some reason, I'm such a threat to the university, where in reality, the threat, the university is a threat to truth.

01:14:02.000 And so, yeah, that's one of the questions I have about it.

01:14:05.000 But I get it.

01:14:05.000 I come from a culture in suburban America where there is a baked in expectation that you have to go to college.

01:14:11.000 It's a matter of where you're going to college.

01:14:12.000 It is so built in to the entire culture of America.

01:14:17.000 And basically, what I want to do is just not tell you what to do, but tell you that it's okay if you don't go.

01:14:24.000 That's a different argument than saying, do not go.

01:14:26.000 That's okay.

01:14:26.000 Don't do that.

01:14:27.000 I don't know your circumstances.

01:14:28.000 And maybe that college is right if you want to become an engineer or something very specific, but a majority of people that go to college say, Well, I want to find myself in college.

01:14:36.000 Well, that's a great way to lose yourself.

01:14:37.000 My gosh.

01:14:39.000 You're going to learn to hate America and you won't find much meaning, that's for sure.

01:14:43.000 And I kind of look at a track, right?

01:14:45.000 So I want to do this, and I'm trying to find the right way.

01:14:48.000 And I'm trying to find the right person to help support it.

01:14:51.000 I want to do a test where I take 10 kids that could have gone to a good college, take the equivalent of what they would have spent in a very simple money market account and mutual interest, you know, mutual funds, and have them go into minimum wage work and work their way up in something they have a passion for, something they have a talent for, track them over a decade versus the 10 people that go to these schools and who's going to be doing better over the next 10 years.

01:15:12.000 And I just know that the people that would have entered the world immediately, and there's a couple reasons for this.

01:15:17.000 I'm a huge believer in a gap year.

01:15:19.000 I'm a massive believer that a huge portion of our society actually, and I'm not one of these people, mind you, but they actually want to work with their hands eight hours a day.

01:15:29.000 And we, as a society, we have demeaned and diminished, ostracized, and penalized labor work with your hands, people that want to be involved in the crafts all day long.

01:15:38.000 And in fact, we've actually tried to act as if these people are less than.

01:15:42.000 They're not as intelligent.

01:15:43.000 They're not as wise.

01:15:44.000 They're non-college educated.

01:15:45.000 They don't know what they're talking about.

01:15:46.000 Let me be very precise and very clear.

01:15:50.000 I have met every plumber I have met has far more wisdom than the Harvard faculty.

01:15:56.000 Okay, let me be very clear.

01:15:57.000 Not only wisdom, oh my goodness.

01:16:02.000 Charlie, I was just going to say, there's plumbers I know.

01:16:06.000 There's plumbers I've met.

01:16:07.000 I love plumbers.

01:16:08.000 First of all, imagine a world without plumbers.

01:16:13.000 It's an awful thing to think about.

01:16:15.000 I talked to a guy who didn't want to, thought about going to college, wound up.

01:16:21.000 His dad had taught him plumbing.

01:16:23.000 He's a young guy.

01:16:24.000 Point is, he makes over $200,000 a year being a plumber.

01:16:29.000 And I don't know what a college grad on the average makes, but this kind of, I mean, their net worth is in the negative before we even start the game, right?

01:16:36.000 So it'd be one thing if you start at a carbon neutral, right?

01:16:40.000 Just a neutral point.

01:16:41.000 Okay, but you're already negative before you go in the game.

01:16:44.000 And quite honestly, you're around a culture that is not about aspiration or flourishing.

01:16:49.000 You're around people that basically are telling you everything is awful, and you're not exchanging ideas on how to create new businesses.

01:16:55.000 You're exchanging ideas on how to take down the Christopher Columbus statue, right?

01:16:58.000 So it's kind of a completely different kind of scope of work, right?

01:17:01.000 Where we have this idealistic sense.

01:17:03.000 I talk to these parents.

01:17:04.000 I love them.

01:17:05.000 I love these people.

01:17:05.000 Some of these people are wonderful people.

01:17:07.000 Like, yeah, my kid's going to go to college and he's going to learn how to exchange business practices.

01:17:11.000 I'm like, my goodness, I don't know.

01:17:12.000 First of all, there's only a few colleges where that would happen.

01:17:14.000 But I said, you're probably going to find your kid is going to come up with some sort of scheme on how to make sure they take down the statues of Jesus Christ in the chapel at Georgetown, not actually exchange entrepreneurial business practices.

01:17:27.000 But here's my big belief.

01:17:29.000 I'm a huge believer in gap years, a massive believer, especially for young men, because I think that out of high school, we push kids way too quickly into this college atmosphere where it's immediately You're in debt.

01:17:40.000 The clock is ticking.

01:17:42.000 You're really not getting a value add to the education a lot of times.

01:17:45.000 Gap year can teach you a lot.

01:17:46.000 It really can.

01:17:47.000 And quite honestly, I go to some, I speak all across the country.

01:17:50.000 I speak over 300 times a year, mildly interrupted because of the virus, but here we are back again, right?

01:17:55.000 And so I speak in Highland Park, Texas.

01:17:57.000 I speak at Orange County in St. Anne.

01:17:59.000 I could tell you that there is a gap in some of the upper income parts of our country where if you were to say to a, it's a very hard thing for certain parents to have this conversation.

01:18:08.000 I'd say, would you be okay if your kid became a plumber?

01:18:11.000 And I could tell you this: a lot of people that live in West Hollywood or in Beverly Hills would say no.

01:18:17.000 And it'd say, so you'd rather have your kid become a leftist than a plumber.

01:18:20.000 Let me just make sure I'm clear.

01:18:22.000 And you're like, oh, that's not true.

01:18:24.000 First of all, okay, well, first of all, what's wrong with being a plumber?

01:18:27.000 I mean, I keep a plumber carpenter or HVAC or just someone that works with dignity.

01:18:32.000 I mean, the point is this: that we have, and we do this in public polling.

01:18:37.000 You probably have noticed this recently, where they say, well, Donald Trump, his biggest base is non-college-educated white people.

01:18:45.000 And college-educated people hate him.

01:18:47.000 And after the third time I heard this, I said, I know exactly what they're doing here. 1.00

01:18:51.000 They're saying the dumb people love Trump and the smart people hate him. 0.99

01:18:54.000 That's what they're doing. 1.00

01:18:56.000 They're social conditioning us to believe that you don't want your kid to be in the non-college educated category because those are the hillabilly deplorables that are the people that are wrong in society.

01:19:08.000 Send your kid to college and you too can be enlightened.

01:19:11.000 Like, oh my gosh, stop whatever that is.

01:19:14.000 Stop doing that.

01:19:16.000 And when in reality, it's, I know there's some people from Prager U, and at Turning Point USA, we talk about it.

01:19:22.000 I highly encourage you.

01:19:23.000 Say, Charlie, I don't know what to do.

01:19:24.000 My kid doesn't know what to do.

01:19:25.000 I said, perfectly fine, by the way.

01:19:27.000 Here's a recommendation: Gap year.

01:19:29.000 Have them go get a minimum wage job in something they have a talent or a passion for.

01:19:33.000 Somebody in this church owns a business and something they have that talent or passion for.

01:19:38.000 I tell the young person, strip down all your expectations of glam, the kind of side hustle.

01:19:44.000 Like, why are you going to have a side hustle?

01:19:46.000 You can't even do your job.

01:19:46.000 You can't even do it.

01:19:48.000 You want a side hustle.

01:19:48.000 Like, put a bit of side hustle.

01:19:51.000 I mean, a Gary Vee, God bless him, swears way too much for me, by the way.

01:19:54.000 It's like unbelievable.

01:19:55.000 It's expletive after expletive.

01:19:56.000 It's like, yeah, you're going to have a side hustle.

01:19:58.000 Like, you can't even make your bet and you want a side hustle.

01:20:01.000 Like, what are you doing?

01:20:04.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm going to make $10,000 a month being a social media influencer.

01:20:07.000 Like, no, you're not.

01:20:08.000 Go work at Wendy's, okay?

01:20:09.000 Like, please.

01:20:11.000 And then act properly and straighten yourself out.

01:20:14.000 And by the way, stop smoking weed and don't drink and stop staying out till 2 a.m. and maybe unplug the video games at midnight or not do them at all.

01:20:23.000 Not there's anything else to say wrong with it.

01:20:24.000 Just stop doing it and act properly and all of a sudden you're going to be ahead of everyone in six months.

01:20:28.000 It's really not that complicated and you're going to find meaning and responsibility in it.

01:20:32.000 And then we act as if it's this really hard thing, but here's what I say to parents.

01:20:36.000 Have them watch every single Prague or U video and fireside chat by Dennis Prager.

01:20:40.000 That's right.

01:20:40.000 Three times.

01:20:41.000 Three times.

01:20:42.000 Have them listen to my podcast at least three or four times a week.

01:20:46.000 Have them read the book of Proverbs and the book of John so that they know it pretty well.

01:20:51.000 Very important, right?

01:20:52.000 Have them understand the teachings of the Bible.

01:20:54.000 Have them read Maps of Meaning by Jordan Peterson and 12 Rules for Life.

01:20:58.000 That kid will be destined for success more than a Yale-educated doctor in philosophy.

01:21:03.000 Okay?

01:21:04.000 Totally true.

01:21:06.000 That's absolutely correct.

01:21:10.000 That's absolutely true.

01:21:13.000 And so, you know, a lot of parents come to me and they say, by the way, it's not just college.

01:21:17.000 I want to broaden this conversation if that's okay.

01:21:19.000 And by the way, you can take me off stage anytime, Jack.

01:21:22.000 I'll stay until you turn the lights off or we get arrested or both or whatever ends up happening.

01:21:26.000 That's point who knows.

01:21:28.000 Who cares?

01:21:29.000 We're all going to heaven.

01:21:30.000 So.

01:21:36.000 It's true.

01:21:40.000 Understand, the indoctrination happens a lot earlier.

01:21:42.000 And I think that we, as decent, reasonable people, we don't address root causes like the left does.

01:21:48.000 And this is why I'm a huge proponent that we need to double the homeschooling population in the next three years in our comfort - three years.

01:21:54.000 I think COVID is helping them.

01:21:55.000 I think we might triple it, right?

01:21:57.000 So, and if you're a parent out there and you're uneasy about hearing that, I hear you.

01:22:02.000 I understand.

01:22:02.000 Like, I can't be a teacher.

01:22:03.000 I say, first of all, just pray on it.

01:22:05.000 There's more wisdom in that book to communicate to your child.

01:22:08.000 If nothing more, if you teach them the Bible and how to read and write, you have done a beautiful service to them.

01:22:13.000 Who cares if they can't recite the incantations of the 1619 prophets?

01:22:18.000 In this day and age, you're protecting their innocence and maybe their life.

01:22:22.000 Precisely.

01:22:23.000 So, massive fan of homeschooling.

01:22:25.000 Like, incredible.

01:22:26.000 I think that homeschooling could save the Republic.

01:22:28.000 And you were to hear first, that you're going to cut this video up in five or ten years from now.

01:22:33.000 And what I am saying right now will be true.

01:22:35.000 The Democrats are going to try to outlaw homeschooling in this country in the next decade.

01:22:40.000 It is coming quickly.

01:22:43.000 Look, unless Newsom gets out and his cohorts, they are diametrically opposed to you having the freedom to not only homeschool your kids, but charter schools and primary schools.

01:22:57.000 They're already going after them here in California.

01:23:01.000 You need...

01:23:03.000 In fact, I know, look, Turning Point could have been based in California, but it's based in Arizona.

01:23:10.000 Isn't it sad that Elon Musk, now who said, I don't want to leave California, I love California, now he announces, I'm sorry, but Tesla's leaving.

01:23:21.000 SpaceX is leaving.

01:23:23.000 Tesla's leaving because we can't take it anymore here.

01:23:27.000 This is tragic.

01:23:29.000 He said, this is so terrible.

01:23:30.000 Is it terrible enough for you to register to vote and vote these guys out of office?

01:23:35.000 Because that's what's got to happen.

01:23:37.000 Yeah, and you can see, you know, it's really sad because in the 70s and 80s, California was the best of America.

01:23:45.000 No one cared where you were from.

01:23:46.000 They asked what you did.

01:23:47.000 And it was a place of opportunity and reasonable tax policy and place of faith.

01:23:51.000 And Calvary Chapels exploded in the 70s and 80s.

01:23:54.000 And California, obviously, we all know the political decline that the state has gone.

01:23:58.000 And it used to be reflected in California, it was in more songs and more movies and more TV shows as the ideal of America.

01:24:04.000 And look no further than Full House.

01:24:06.000 I mean, it's kind of a wacky show.

01:24:07.000 But in some ways, it was actually a show that, you look, it couldn't really be aired today because it was about keeping the family together.

01:24:12.000 And it always ended in some form of a moral good. 0.95

01:24:15.000 And it was silly. 0.89

01:24:15.000 And it was in San Francisco. 0.89

01:24:17.000 And I think to myself, what would Full House look like?

01:24:19.000 I know they're redoing it on Netflix.

01:24:20.000 That's a bunch of nonsense.

01:24:21.000 But what would, if Full House today, I could tell you what it looks like.

01:24:25.000 It'd be Black Mirror.

01:24:26.000 It'd be like everyone would be spying on each other and social media controlling ourselves.

01:24:30.000 Or maybe it would look like Portlandia, which actually might be more like an actual depiction of what's happening.

01:24:35.000 And I think all of us recognize and realize that to a very, very, very real extent because, you know, California, in a lot of different ways, I think, was that was a precursor of good things to come for America.

01:24:47.000 And now we can't allow it to be a canary in the coal mine or a harbinger for things to come for the rest of the country.

01:24:54.000 They're going to try to duplicate this model all across America.

01:24:57.000 And the more that you can rise up in California and the more that you can communicate and really show and turn things, Mike Garcia winning in California, Laura speak things to a lot of you, that challenges the status quo.

01:25:07.000 It really does.

01:25:08.000 It challenges their power grab.

01:25:09.000 They think of you guys as a nuisance, as an annoyance.

01:25:13.000 And they think of you guys as they want to run you over and just have a one-party state.

01:25:17.000 But the more you're able to have little micro victories and build it up, my goodness, that is how truth is going to win.

01:25:22.000 You're absolutely right.

01:25:30.000 Couple other thoughts here, and we'll end at nine.

01:25:33.000 Number one, people say, Charlie, what can I do?

01:25:34.000 How many of you guys think that?

01:25:35.000 Charlie, what can I do?

01:25:36.000 What can I do?

01:25:37.000 I'll get this question, right?

01:25:39.000 I feel helpless.

01:25:40.000 And so I've been studying the Soviet Union a lot, and it's, boy, man, you want to see, you want to see how dark human beings can get. 0.95

01:25:48.000 Just study the Soviet Union, and we have done a moral disservice to our young people not explaining to them the horrors of the Soviet Union. 0.99

01:25:57.000 We've done a pretty good job of explaining 1930s Germany and 1940s Germany. 0.74

01:26:01.000 But we've done a very poor job of explaining Vladimir Lenin and Leon Trotsky and the death of Tukhachevsky and how they took power through the Bolshevik Revolution, the Kulak slaughter, and eventually Joseph Stalin.

01:26:15.000 And as I've studied this, and I'm reading a phenomenal book by a Christian pastor who was locked up, I get his name wrong, Joseph Bondarenko.

01:26:24.000 It's phenomenal, and he's incredible.

01:26:26.000 And I'm working my way through the book.

01:26:28.000 And I encourage all young people out there, please don't be afraid to read actual books.

01:26:32.000 It's actually a really important thing.

01:26:34.000 I know that it gets dismissed.

01:26:36.000 And please, here's a challenge.

01:26:37.000 Here's a moonshot.

01:26:38.000 Limit your screen time on your iPhone in half.

01:26:40.000 You'll be a happier person.

01:26:41.000 I can guarantee you that.

01:26:43.000 So I'm reading about the Soviet Union.

01:26:46.000 What I've come to realize as Joseph Stalin took power, he had socialism in the cities and capitalism in the countryside, where the countryside and the peasants were living rather industrious lives of private property and people were flourishing.

01:26:59.000 And they were, oh, hey, hi there.

01:27:01.000 And the Bondorenko family is here.

01:27:02.000 Like, oh my gosh, there you go.

01:27:05.000 And they were living an incredible, they're actually doing okay. 0.68

01:27:09.000 And Joseph Stalin was the ultimate embodiment of evil.

01:27:14.000 And the history of Stalin is very interesting.

01:27:16.000 He was a seminary student.

01:27:17.000 He was learning the word of God.

01:27:19.000 And then he ends up becoming a true rebel against God in the most pure sense.

01:27:25.000 I mean, he actually never admitted that he didn't believe in God.

01:27:28.000 He considered his existence as a struggle against God.

01:27:31.000 I mean, in a very bizarre way, is even more evil in some ways.

01:27:35.000 And that's a different conversation or a different channel.

01:27:37.000 But Stalin thought of himself as a God, as a deity.

01:27:40.000 And if you want to talk about someone who actually assumed the most totalitarian control, it'd be Joseph Stalin.

01:27:47.000 He had control over everything, the Pulitz Bureau, but he wasn't happy enough with the countryside not being socialists.

01:27:53.000 So even though the countryside was basically functioning and working through private property and the price system, it was really the bread capital of most of Europe, the countryside of Russia and Ukraine and Eastern Europe.

01:28:05.000 He was an ideologue.

01:28:06.000 And here's a very important point.

01:28:08.000 People say, oh, Stalin didn't implement socialism.

01:28:11.000 He really read Marx.

01:28:12.000 He really wanted socialism everywhere because he knew it got pure control. 1.00

01:28:16.000 So he instituted what was called basically the persecution of the kulaks, right? 0.98

01:28:23.000 So he went after any farmer that owned too much land.

01:28:26.000 And it was so arbitrary, but it was really interesting when you read it.

01:28:30.000 Stalin was very, he was a delegator.

01:28:33.000 And this is so stunning.

01:28:34.000 And it's a lesson for all of you here because what can I do?

01:28:38.000 He empowered many Stalins all across Russia.

01:28:41.000 Like Stalin wasn't alone.

01:28:44.000 It wasn't just him. 0.68

01:28:47.000 He empowered 3,000 people to be the mini Stalins of their town.

01:28:51.000 They empowered Stalins underneath them to be the Stalins in the classroom and the Stalins in the church and the Stalins in the countryside.

01:28:58.000 And you say, well, Charlie, what does that have to do with me?

01:29:01.000 How many of you have allowed tyranny to come across your radar screen in the last couple weeks and you've said, should I do something or not?

01:29:08.000 That's right.

01:29:09.000 How many of you have seen an autocrat use strength against the weak in the last three weeks and you've asked, should I do something? 0.98

01:29:16.000 Because that's exactly what happened in the Soviet Union: they were micro-tyrannies, right? 0.92

01:29:21.000 Is that there were many Joseph Stalins that popped up, and it was the teacher that went to the eight-year-old and said, You're evil because you're white. 0.85

01:29:28.000 And the parent did nothing.

01:29:31.000 It's the local school district that says, we are going to teach the 1619 project.

01:29:36.000 And the parents said, well, I guess that's just the way it is. 0.62

01:29:39.000 Or it's the store clerk that says something so outrageous because you won't round up your transactional purchase at the local grocery store to go fund BLM Inc.

01:29:51.000 And they say you're the worst person in the world.

01:29:53.000 Or it's the local fast food restaurant that makes all their employees take a knee not to Jesus Christ but to BLM for something they never did, blaming people on their immutable characteristics, which itself is evil to blame something on something they did not do because of the melanin in their skin.

01:30:08.000 And it is evil and it should be spoken out against every single day.

01:30:11.000 That's right.

01:30:11.000 And so what do you do about that?

01:30:17.000 People say, well, Charlie, I know that tyrant.

01:30:19.000 I want to think to yourself, who's the tyrant in your life?

01:30:21.000 Because they're there.

01:30:22.000 There's somebody in your life that's acting like a tyrant.

01:30:25.000 You say, what's the definition of a tyrant?

01:30:27.000 Using strength to exploit the weak.

01:30:30.000 That is a tyrant.

01:30:31.000 Unfairly.

01:30:33.000 Get your words right. 0.99

01:30:34.000 It doesn't matter if you make a fool out of yourself. 0.85

01:30:36.000 Don't do it loudly or clumsily. 0.99

01:30:38.000 But say something.

01:30:39.000 God gave us language for a reason.

01:30:42.000 God gave us that ability to communicate.

01:30:44.000 You go up to him.

01:30:45.000 It might be a letter.

01:30:46.000 It might be an email.

01:30:47.000 And you go to that tyrant, might be a teacher, might be whatever it is.

01:30:50.000 And you say, what you're doing is wrong, and I'm not going to stand for it.

01:30:53.000 I want you to know why it's wrong and do it lovingly, but communicate them clearly right in the eyes and you tell them that.

01:30:59.000 And you might say, that's not going to make a difference.

01:31:01.000 And that's a really interesting thing because people say, well, Charlie, you optimistic or pessimistic?

01:31:06.000 And I love this question.

01:31:07.000 And I was inspired by the way Dennis Prager answered it the other day because I know why people are asking it a lot the time.

01:31:13.000 What they're really asking is like, hey, Charlie, can I give up now?

01:31:18.000 They say, hey, if you say pessimistic, that means we can stop, right?

01:31:22.000 And I always answer it honestly.

01:31:24.000 I'm like, I'm optimistic about some things.

01:31:26.000 I'm worried about other things, right?

01:31:27.000 Of course.

01:31:27.000 I mean, we see what's happening.

01:31:29.000 But it's completely irrelevant as to whether or not you're going to fight for truth.

01:31:34.000 That's right.

01:31:34.000 It's immaterial.

01:31:36.000 What are you trying to say?

01:31:37.000 My odds of winning are less, so I'm going to stop talking. 0.89

01:31:42.000 So I don't think I'm going to do anything up against that tyrant teacher who's exploiting an eight-year-old because he happens to be white.

01:31:48.000 I don't think I'm going to make a difference.

01:31:50.000 That's not an excuse not to say something.

01:31:52.000 So right here, right now, you have 2,000 people in the room.

01:31:56.000 There are thousands of micro-tyrants that want nothing more to use their positions of power to exploit the weak.

01:32:01.000 All it takes is for good people to do something. 0.61

01:32:03.000 So that's number one.

01:32:04.000 And you have to do that as a country.

01:32:06.000 We have to.

01:32:06.000 Or you do not allow that to happen across your radar screen on a micro level.

01:32:11.000 Right there.

01:32:12.000 On a material micro level.

01:32:14.000 Last thing, Jack.

01:32:14.000 I know we're out of time.

01:32:15.000 The last thing is this.

01:32:16.000 I hate this, but it's the way it is.

01:32:19.000 The left has politicized everything.

01:32:21.000 Food.

01:32:23.000 Everything, right?

01:32:25.000 Sports.

01:32:25.000 I can't watch baseball.

01:32:26.000 I don't watch baseball anymore.

01:32:27.000 And you should totally boycott baseball.

01:32:28.000 I'm done.

01:32:29.000 Go on.

01:32:30.000 Thank you.

01:32:30.000 Goodbye.

01:32:31.000 They are done. 0.99

01:32:32.000 Cut them off. 0.98

01:32:32.000 Yep. 0.98

01:32:33.000 So sad from this.

01:32:35.000 Let me close the thoughts for this.

01:32:36.000 You are done with baseball and all that.

01:32:39.000 They've taken politics into everything.

01:32:42.000 We say you do not bring politics, religion, at the dinner table, and all this.

01:32:45.000 Guess what?

01:32:45.000 We now have to be activists in everything we do.

01:32:48.000 Where we shop, what we buy, where we go to church, how we communicate, where we send our kids to school.

01:32:52.000 Now we have to be 24-7, 365 activists.

01:32:54.000 That's right.

01:32:55.000 Everything that you do has to reflect your value system.

01:32:57.000 There is now nothing they have not touched.

01:32:59.000 There's now nothing we are not going to touch.

01:33:00.000 Every single decision you make must reflect your worldview.

01:33:04.000 With that, I let that go.

01:33:13.000 Listen, guys, listen up.

01:33:31.000 I want to encourage you.

01:33:32.000 It was off my radar to what Charlie said just a second ago about getting involved.

01:33:37.000 We made an announcement to you guys for the last few Sundays that an impossible bill that is impossible to stop in Sacramento.

01:33:47.000 It was sure they had all the votes.

01:33:49.000 This is a supermajority state.

01:33:52.000 And that assembly bill was a bill that was going to cost you and I $15 million whereby the state-sanctioned deployment of hormone replacement therapy for children in public school of eight years of age and up.

01:34:13.000 If they want to change their gender, you and I were going to pay for it. 0.57

01:34:17.000 These are the kind of people that we have voted into office. 0.99

01:34:21.000 Without parental consent.

01:34:22.000 Without parental consent.

01:34:24.000 Total lordship of the government away from your family.

01:34:27.000 Listen, there was no way to stop it, ladies and gentlemen.

01:34:30.000 They have the votes.

01:34:32.000 All we could do was make some noise.

01:34:33.000 You heard what he said a moment ago.

01:34:35.000 It was point number one in his two-point close.

01:34:37.000 Point number one.

01:34:38.000 You got to stand for what's right, even if you lose.

01:34:42.000 You don't understand that?

01:34:43.000 Don't look for...

01:34:46.000 Wasn't it Churchill that said it's always too soon to quit? 0.87

01:34:49.000 That's exactly right.

01:34:51.000 When you're going through hell, keep going.

01:34:53.000 Churchill said, when you're going through hell, don't stop.

01:34:55.000 Keep going.

01:34:56.000 Why?

01:34:57.000 Because there's an end to it.

01:34:58.000 Watch what happened.

01:34:59.000 So we just found out today that, and we don't know exactly why, but the bill that was supposed to be absolutely slam dunk has been not only pulled, it will not be back for the remainder of this year.

01:35:14.000 They pulled it.

01:35:15.000 They pulled it.

01:35:17.000 You know, we ask you to call.

01:35:21.000 We ask you to make noise in Sacramento.

01:35:25.000 Listen, let's pray.

01:35:28.000 Heavenly Father, I thank you, Lord, for Charlie and his ministry and his business and his calling and his career and his leadership and his influence.

01:35:40.000 Father, we know that you've touched this young man, Lord God, in such a unique way.

01:35:46.000 And Father, I pray that this would go to his heart and not his head.

01:35:51.000 And that is, Lord, we're looking at our generation of a C.S. Lewis in the making right here, right now.

01:35:59.000 And Father, for such a time as this, brings us great hope and great assurance that you're not done with this nation.

01:36:06.000 I believe you're not done with California.

01:36:09.000 But Father God, we pray that you continue to use him.

01:36:12.000 And I pray that you'd bless Turning Point USA beyond their ability to contain it.

01:36:17.000 God, that you'd protect them against all of the insanity that would seek to silence them.

01:36:23.000 And Father, as Charlie skirts around this nation in the night, traveling to be to the next place, that you keep him safe, surround those, cause those around him to be safe.

01:36:36.000 And Father, we pray, Lord God, that we pray that this coming election in November, Father, that your mercy and your grace would be there.

01:36:46.000 And Father, even for our president, we pray for his salvation.

01:36:49.000 We pray for his health.

01:36:51.000 But God, more importantly than that, we pray for men that we love like Mark Pompeo and Mike Pence and so many others that are just doing an amazing job and they love you with all their hearts that there would nobody be in this room a spectator to these things, that they would not sit this out, but that they'd register to vote and that they would vote for pro-life.

01:37:11.000 We commit Charlie and I commit these people, Lord, into your hands in Jesus' name.

01:37:15.000 And all God's people said, amen.

01:37:17.000 God bless you.

01:37:18.000 See you Sunday.

01:37:21.000 What a great conversation that was with Jack Gibbs in front of 7,000 people not too long ago.

01:37:27.000 We did it in defiance to Governor Newsom's order.

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01:37:47.000 That is tpusa.com, the nation's largest student movement fighting for freedom, liberty, smaller government, and the constitution on campuses across the country.

01:37:57.000 tpusa.com, tpusa.com.

01:38:00.000 Thank you guys so much for listening and thank you for supporting us at charliekirk.com/slash support.

01:38:06.000 Talk to you soon.

01:38:07.000 God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - August 14, 2020

God's People vs. the State of California - Live with Pastor Jack Hibbs

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