The Charlie Kirk Show - July 23, 2022


Going After “Groomers” with Dr. James Lindsay and Lauren Chen


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Join me live from Turning Point USA s Student Action Summit from the Rumble Booth where we discuss interracial marriage and why it s a bad idea. Plus, we talk about why the media loves to demonize interracial marriages and why they re bad for the country.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today the Charlie Kirk show, Lauren Chen, and James Lindsay, who is the author of Race Marxism.
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00:00:17.000 Buckle up. 0.96
00:00:18.000 Here we go.
00:00:19.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:21.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.
00:00:23.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:00:26.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:00:30.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:00:31.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:00:32.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.
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00:01:01.000 With us is Lauren Chen, who is now a Turning Point USA contributor.
00:01:04.000 Congratulations.
00:01:05.000 Welcome aboard.
00:01:06.000 Thank you.
00:01:06.000 I'm so happy to be part of the team and also here at SAS.
00:01:09.000 This is amazing seeing all these conservatives, all these media outlets covering.
00:01:12.000 You guys are doing an amazing job.
00:01:14.000 So happy to be part of the team.
00:01:16.000 We're honored.
00:01:16.000 You're a great talent.
00:01:17.000 And kind of the first time we met, I think, was at our Young Women's Leadership Summit.
00:01:21.000 And I told Andrew, she's super smart. 0.80
00:01:23.000 Let's do something together.
00:01:24.000 So a lot of things we can get into.
00:01:26.000 I do want to kind of piggyback on this conversation that we were having with Lauren Boebert about 47 Republicans that voted for this bill, inexcusably voted for this bill.
00:01:36.000 You have a unique kind of take or twist on it.
00:01:38.000 What is that?
00:01:39.000 So here's the thing.
00:01:40.000 Ever since Roe was overturned, we automatically started hearing all these leftists say, oh, they're coming for gay marriage.
00:01:46.000 Not only that, but they're also coming for interracial marriage, which is pretty crazy, especially since the boogeyman they're trying to conjure is, you know, Clarence Thomas, who is in fact married to a woman. 0.73
00:01:55.000 Interracially married.
00:01:57.000 Exactly.
00:01:58.000 And that's really frustrating to me because, I mean, not only if, you know, if you're a libertarian, you should agree that marriage should be left up to the states, right?
00:02:05.000 Even if you're not socially conservative.
00:02:08.000 But what they're trying to do with equating gay marriage to interracial marriage, I think is honestly a mockery and an insult to anyone who's in an interracial relationship who comes from an interracial relationship.
00:02:18.000 You know, my parents, one is white, one is Asian.
00:02:22.000 My husband, he's like part native and part white.
00:02:25.000 So I would say I'm in an interracial relationship as well, trying to compare what I have to same-sex marriage.
00:02:31.000 That is not the same thing.
00:02:33.000 You know, traditionally, historically, there's nothing about interracial marriages that has gone against the definition of marriage as between a man and a woman.
00:02:40.000 And so I feel like trying to throw interracial marriages into the mix is just a way to scare people to try to make the GOPC more extreme. 0.90
00:02:48.000 And it really doesn't make any sense if you stop to just think about it for two seconds.
00:02:52.000 But we know that the media, they're helping to gin up this hysteria.
00:02:55.000 And is that the reason these 47 Republicans voted for this?
00:02:58.000 Is that right?
00:03:00.000 I mean, I can't imagine.
00:03:02.000 I know probably if you're a Republican and vote against this, the media would be likely to say, oh, you're against interracial marriage or something like that.
00:03:10.000 But there's not a person that is advocating.
00:03:13.000 The only people I know that's advocating against interracial marriage are professors that are advocating for blacks to only marry blacks.
00:03:19.000 That's a real thing. 0.72
00:03:20.000 Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. 0.93
00:03:22.000 There is a black nationalist group of people that are like, you shouldn't intermarry if you're a black person. 0.93
00:03:26.000 Keep the black race pure. 0.99
00:03:28.000 Happens a lot.
00:03:29.000 We've documented at our Turning Point USA professor watch list.
00:03:31.000 Outside of that radical extreme fringe, there's not one person in decent society that is arguing against that.
00:03:38.000 And so the question also is just why are Republicans always so enthusiastic about giving ground to the left?
00:03:46.000 What is that?
00:03:46.000 Is it just, I need to appease them?
00:03:48.000 Why?
00:03:49.000 So you get 30 minutes of reprieve?
00:03:51.000 I guess I can't really imagine anything else.
00:03:54.000 I mean, I understand there are some people who voted from it.
00:03:56.000 They come from maybe more purple or swing states.
00:03:58.000 Probably doing it to appease some of the voters back home.
00:04:01.000 But we know that's not the case across the board.
00:04:03.000 And I honestly think that the Overton window has shifted to the left so much that now, even within the Republican Party, it's kind of becoming taboo, kind of becoming unpopular to say that no marriage is between a man and a woman.
00:04:15.000 And look, to our libertarian friends out there, which I am not, but thanks for watching.
00:04:20.000 But even if you are, you know, saying, oh, well, this is great because equality, I don't care what you do, why should this be the purview of the federal government?
00:04:28.000 Well, that's the whole thing.
00:04:29.000 I said that earlier, which is fine.
00:04:30.000 You can have your own views.
00:04:31.000 Why can't you allow states to define something?
00:04:35.000 And so somebody sent me an email and they said, well, Charlie, how does this issue affect you?
00:04:40.000 Why do you care?
00:04:41.000 And I said, wait a second, why do you think my politics is only about me?
00:04:44.000 Yeah.
00:04:45.000 My politics is about the country and society and future generations.
00:04:49.000 It's not just about myself.
00:04:51.000 It's not just about my own agency.
00:04:52.000 It's about the health of the nation as a whole.
00:04:54.000 And that's a moral question, isn't it?
00:04:56.000 No, absolutely.
00:04:57.000 And I think if you are a fan of small government, you have to believe in strong family values.
00:05:01.000 Historically, the family has been the building block of society.
00:05:04.000 When we're able to kind of operate and care for each other within these familial bonds, we don't need the government to step in and do things like welfare or all of these things that they've since kind of taken upon themselves as we've crumbled as a society.
00:05:17.000 And I think by cheapening what marriage is, that absolutely affects society as a whole.
00:05:23.000 So it's not just a question of does this affect you personally right now in the second.
00:05:27.000 This is going to affect the society that we're growing up in, you know, that our children are going to be growing up in.
00:05:32.000 So absolutely, this matters for everybody.
00:05:34.000 Yeah, it really does.
00:05:35.000 Republicans seem willing to go along with that.
00:05:37.000 So I want to play some pieces of tape here.
00:05:39.000 There's a lot of focus recently on the environmental issue.
00:05:42.000 Yes.
00:05:44.000 What is it that drives the environmental fervor on the left?
00:05:48.000 Well, I think for some people, they are true believers.
00:05:50.000 They have drank the Kool-Aid.
00:05:52.000 They are, you know, Greta Thunberg fangirls. 0.68
00:05:54.000 They really honestly believe it.
00:05:56.000 It's almost become a religion to some of them.
00:05:58.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:05:58.000 Paganism.
00:05:59.000 And then, you know, for others, I do think that there's a tie-in to Marxism here, where they see environmentalism as a way to chip away at capitalism.
00:06:10.000 And we see that with intersectionality, all of these things are tied together.
00:06:14.000 When you look at extreme environmentalist groups like Extinction Rebellion, they like to tie in things like this is also due to the patriarchy and capitalism.
00:06:20.000 So if you notice that a lot of the green agendas, specifically the Green New Deal, if we were to take that as an example, they include socialism as kind of this de facto cure for climate change.
00:06:30.000 So, I mean, when it comes to people like, I don't want to say AOC because I don't think she has a lot going on upstairs, but maybe whoever is kind of like guiding her.
00:06:38.000 Yes.
00:06:39.000 I do think that this is a way to sneak in big government policy.
00:06:42.000 So yeah, I want to ask you, is the climate a means or an end?
00:06:46.000 I think it's a means.
00:06:47.000 I absolutely think it's a means.
00:06:48.000 For, again, for some people, it is an end.
00:06:52.000 Yeah, the random like white liberal middle-aged moms in the UK who are blocking traffic, I think they probably do believe in it. 1.00
00:06:59.000 But for the politicians that are pushing it, the ones that are taking private jets that own beachfront policy.
00:07:04.000 They don't actually believe this, though.
00:07:05.000 They don't actually believe it.
00:07:06.000 But they look at it as a hyper-emotional issue that can get them more political power.
00:07:13.000 Yes.
00:07:13.000 And it also makes them feel really important about themselves and galvanizes their base, gets activists in the streets.
00:07:21.000 There's probably a quote-unquote climate emergency coming.
00:07:24.000 Joe Biden to sign an executive order on it.
00:07:27.000 The regime needs climates and they need crisis emergency.
00:07:30.000 They need emergencies.
00:07:31.000 It's necessary.
00:07:33.000 And so I think this is another one of these issues, though, where Republicans are not properly suited because we always kind of get into this debate of like, well, I'm not anti-global warming.
00:07:42.000 What's the proper way we should respond to these pagan environmentalists? 1.00
00:07:46.000 Well, I think it's important to stress that regardless of how you feel about climate change, pollution is not a good thing.
00:07:52.000 Like, I mean, I look at plastic in the ocean.
00:07:54.000 I don't like that.
00:07:56.000 You know, so there is that.
00:07:57.000 There's also the question of like the commons, right?
00:08:00.000 When you have something like the ocean or overfishing, how exactly do we tackle that?
00:08:04.000 I think Republicans need to be very clear, though, that when it comes to trying to do anything like a carbon tax, it is an attack specifically on the average family.
00:08:14.000 This is not about tackling global warming on a higher scale.
00:08:17.000 Otherwise, we would be addressing China and India.
00:08:19.000 This is specifically about hurting individual families.
00:08:22.000 And I think doing it because the green lobby also spends, you know, a lot of money ensuring that they get some kickbacks from the government.
00:08:29.000 We saw that starting really under Obama.
00:08:31.000 Yeah, and I mean, I just, it's a terrible place where our politics is right now because I'm so inherently distrustful of anything they propose when it comes to the environment that I immediately think that it's a means to sort some sort of Marxist, global, you know, great reset.
00:08:46.000 Yeah.
00:08:47.000 I just inherently.
00:08:47.000 Well, instead of green subsidies, why don't we do tax breaks for like companies that do make an effort to stop their own pollution and things like that?
00:08:56.000 I am against any form of nationalization or anything that the left is proposing, but I'm more a care to say.
00:09:02.000 I love nature.
00:09:02.000 I love the environment.
00:09:03.000 Of course.
00:09:04.000 As long as it serves man, I don't want to serve nature.
00:09:06.000 Right.
00:09:07.000 I mean, we're stewards.
00:09:08.000 That's in the Bible.
00:09:09.000 And but nature is there for our benefit.
00:09:09.000 Yes.
00:09:12.000 And part of the benefit of nature is the other to go hiking to be able to dwell and be in peace at nature, have clean water and clean waterways.
00:09:20.000 No decent person is against that.
00:09:22.000 What we are against, though, is sacrificing the flourishing of a human being for some abstract environmental aim and goal.
00:09:28.000 Right.
00:09:28.000 And I think privatization, kind of getting to that, is a great way to ensure that things like forests and even waterways are kept clean because they have an interest in it.
00:09:39.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.
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00:10:38.000 What else do you have to plug for our audience that you're working on?
00:10:41.000 So, as always, you guys can find me on YouTube, Lauren Chen.
00:10:44.000 You got a sizable following there.
00:10:45.000 Yeah, I mean, it's been kind of frustrating because lately, I mean, not lately, really the past several years, but YouTube has really been shadow banning any conservative channel with any amount of reach.
00:10:57.000 So, that's frustrating.
00:10:58.000 But, you know, we still post.
00:11:01.000 I'm going to have to talk louder.
00:11:01.000 That's good.
00:11:03.000 And if you'll do the same, because I can't hear what you're saying.
00:11:06.000 So, sorry about that, guys.
00:11:08.000 And so, what else is on your mind?
00:11:09.000 What other stories are you following and doing?
00:11:11.000 Well, something that I've been very passionate about, especially as a new mom, is the LGBTQ plus indoctrination in schools. 0.96
00:11:18.000 Yes.
00:11:19.000 And recently, what we have seen is that the left actually hates the term groomer.
00:11:24.000 Like, this is something that really gets under their skin.
00:11:25.000 So, why is that?
00:11:26.000 I think because it's accurate.
00:11:28.000 I think because it's accurate, honestly.
00:11:29.000 The left is never more upset than when the right is actually being effective.
00:11:33.000 So, for nothing else, then they're angry about this term.
00:11:36.000 I think we should keep using it.
00:11:38.000 But, of course, the left has institutional power that the right does not.
00:11:40.000 And now we see that Reddit and I think Twitter are banning the term groomer as an anti-LGBTQ slur.
00:11:47.000 Well, that only confirms.
00:11:49.000 I mean, so now they're admitting that groomer and LGBT are now connected.
00:11:49.000 Yes.
00:11:54.000 Right.
00:11:54.000 And it's ironic because I criticize, obviously, the attempts to normalize pedophilia, the grooming efforts, and I get called anti-LGBT.
00:12:02.000 And it's like, isn't that interesting that you're the one equating those things?
00:12:06.000 And so, but they're now banning people off of social media for that, right?
00:12:10.000 Yeah, I think James Lindsay, he either got a suspension or a ban.
00:12:10.000 Yes.
00:12:13.000 I'm not sure for the whole okay groomer thing, which is very frustrating.
00:12:18.000 But honestly, this is one of the most important issues I think around today.
00:12:22.000 I don't know if you saw, but there was this file clip that someone shared with me of this essentially a trans stripper fully naked except for a thong and some nipple pasties with what looked like a maybe four-year-old girl. 0.53
00:12:34.000 This is child abuse right now, and the fact that this is even legal that we're not doing more to stop it.
00:12:39.000 What was this?
00:12:40.000 This was in Miami.
00:12:41.000 So Ron DeSantis.
00:12:42.000 Parents are bringing kids to that?
00:12:44.000 Yes, they are.
00:12:44.000 So Ron DeSantis looking at you, something needs to be done about this.
00:12:48.000 I don't care if, oh, the parents think it's okay.
00:12:50.000 So why do you care?
00:12:51.000 But yeah, parents aren't allowed to abuse your kids.
00:12:52.000 Exactly.
00:12:53.000 Exactly.
00:12:53.000 Children have rights and they have the right to not be abused.
00:12:55.000 Yes, that's right.
00:12:56.000 And so parents' rights are not unlimited.
00:12:58.000 And parents' rights stop where the abuse begins.
00:12:58.000 Right.
00:13:02.000 Yes.
00:13:02.000 You don't have the right to abuse your kid.
00:13:03.000 You don't have the right to starve your kid?
00:13:05.000 Yeah.
00:13:05.000 You don't.
00:13:05.000 You don't have the right to torture your kid or any of that.
00:13:08.000 And so, so, Lauren, what are most people supposed to do about that?
00:13:12.000 You know, when they encounter these sorts of issues?
00:13:14.000 Well, I think first off, if you are a parent, you need to be on top of your children's schooling.
00:13:17.000 Do not assume that it is just hunky-dory what it was like when we were younger because it's not.
00:13:22.000 And this is even happening in red states like Texas, which is becoming more purple by the day.
00:13:28.000 So do not take for granted that this is not happening.
00:13:30.000 Go to your, you know, your PTA meetings.
00:13:32.000 Stay on top of what your kid is bringing home from school.
00:13:35.000 But also let other parents know about this as well, because what we saw in Virginia is that parents speaking up can have an impact.
00:13:43.000 And you know, if you're not a parent and you're just, you just happen to be anti-child grooming, which I would hope we all are, talk to your like local representatives, you know, because there are people in power who could do something about this.
00:13:54.000 But I think sadly, far too many of them are either okay with it or they're actually pro-it because they see it as like LGBT activism.
00:14:01.000 We're told by like David French and people, oh, this is a small minority.
00:14:04.000 It's a blessing of liberty.
00:14:06.000 Isn't this a blessing of liberty that five-year-olds get to go see naked trans people all the time? 1.00
00:14:10.000 No.
00:14:11.000 No, absolutely not.
00:14:12.000 And I think trying to conflate the issue of, oh, you're just anti-freedom.
00:14:16.000 But that's not freedom.
00:14:17.000 Yeah, that's not freedom.
00:14:18.000 Freedom comes with responsibility.
00:14:20.000 And again, children have rights.
00:14:21.000 You don't have freedom as an adult to sexually abuse a minor.
00:14:25.000 I don't understand why this is so hard for some conservatives to wrap their heads around.
00:14:25.000 Yes.
00:14:30.000 They're like, well, I don't like using the power of the state.
00:14:32.000 I don't either.
00:14:34.000 But there is an appropriate part for the state to prevent children from being exploited.
00:14:39.000 Right.
00:14:40.000 And even if you believe like strictly the non-aggression principle, I would say that trying to trans my kid is pretty aggressive.
00:14:46.000 I have no problem using the government to stop it.
00:14:49.000 And if not the government, who?
00:14:50.000 Are you going to Disney's going to stop it?
00:14:52.000 No, actually, they're participating.
00:14:53.000 They're participating.
00:14:54.000 And they love it.
00:14:55.000 Especially on a state and local level, it's incredibly important.
00:14:58.000 Right.
00:14:59.000 And to any libertarians who are like, no, it's fine, keep in mind that this is taxpayer-funded indoctrination for no other reason than the fact that taxpayers are funding this.
00:15:07.000 You should be opposed to that.
00:15:08.000 This is exactly right.
00:15:08.000 It's such a smart point, which is when you involve taxpayers, it becomes their business.
00:15:13.000 Yeah, this is the lie of neutrality, right?
00:15:14.000 Where they say, well, I just want taxpayer stuff to be neutral.
00:15:17.000 Okay, then what is good?
00:15:18.000 Right.
00:15:18.000 You need to have some sort of standard.
00:15:21.000 And they have their definition.
00:15:23.000 It's not neutral.
00:15:24.000 It's trans.
00:15:25.000 It's LGBT.
00:15:26.000 It's secular.
00:15:27.000 It's anti-American.
00:15:28.000 They're like, oh, it's just us being neutral.
00:15:29.000 No, you're not.
00:15:30.000 Yeah.
00:15:30.000 And maybe it's time for us to start to realize we have to respond to all that.
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00:16:41.000 With us is one of my favorite American patriots, super smart, and is doing a phenomenal job exposing CRT, wokeism, and postmodernism.
00:16:50.000 He knows better than anybody else, period.
00:16:51.000 There is no one like James Lindsay.
00:16:53.000 James, welcome back to the program.
00:16:54.000 Hey, great to be here, Charlie.
00:16:56.000 You've done more in the last couple of years than almost anybody else, actually, than anybody else on this topic, yeoman's work. 0.81
00:17:01.000 And you have now, you've been more and more outspoken on this idea of queer theory.
00:17:07.000 Yeah.
00:17:08.000 Get as close to the mic as you can because it's super loud.
00:17:10.000 What is queer theory?
00:17:11.000 Queer theory is an assault on the normal. 1.00
00:17:13.000 It is the belief that the assault on the normal.
00:17:15.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:17:15.000 Like, so Karl Marx set up this idea, you know, a century and a half ago that like having money is this terrible thing, right?
00:17:21.000 Well, imagine it's like a special kind of property certain people have.
00:17:24.000 Imagine that being considered normal is a special kind of thing.
00:17:27.000 Certain people who call themselves normal, this is what it means to be normal, said, well, we're going to define what normal means so that we get to be normal and you freaks don't get to have any power.
00:17:36.000 And queer theory is like, we're going to break that down using exactly the same methods that Karl Marx defined. 0.92
00:17:40.000 What are those methods?
00:17:41.000 Non-academically, how someone can understand it.
00:17:44.000 The main thing that they do is they call it not, it's so hard to talk about this because it sounds like you're making fun of it or saying something inappropriate.
00:17:52.000 They call it queering something.
00:17:54.000 So they make it weird.
00:17:54.000 They come in and they make it weird.
00:17:56.000 So they'll show up wearing weird clothes to an event that it's inappropriate to wear those clothes to.
00:18:00.000 It's interesting.
00:18:01.000 They will, you know, dress in the wrong gender's clothing and maybe be in the Biden administration. 1.00
00:18:07.000 Is that part of a strategy?
00:18:08.000 A philosophical synthesis?
00:18:10.000 Yes, that's exactly what it is.
00:18:11.000 The idea is to introduce a little bit of something different into the definition of the main thing so that the main thing loses its definition.
00:18:18.000 That sounds crazy, right?
00:18:19.000 But what is a woman? 1.00
00:18:20.000 Well, sometimes men can be women.
00:18:22.000 So you add a little bit of complication to the definition of woman until nobody knows what it is, except they know what it is, so they get the power to determine who qualifies. 1.00
00:18:30.000 So what you're telling me is all these sick degenerates that walk around in front of children, do they all know they're participating in this?
00:18:37.000 Or they, I guess it's a mixture of both. 0.90
00:18:39.000 Yeah, it's a mixture of both.
00:18:40.000 I would say most of them don't.
00:18:41.000 I would say that many of them do.
00:18:43.000 Queer theory has been around for 30 years.
00:18:45.000 It's been more than 30 years.
00:18:46.000 So it's got a lot of legs under it now.
00:18:48.000 A lot of them just know that getting out there and getting in people's faces opens the culture up.
00:18:53.000 They don't know specifically that what they're doing is complicating categories so that it hands over the power to the people who get to define those categories.
00:19:01.000 But that's what they're doing.
00:19:02.000 That is what they're doing.
00:19:04.000 So, but let's let me make sure I understand this.
00:19:07.000 They, they're basically, their goal is to deteriorate the normal.
00:19:11.000 That's right.
00:19:12.000 They want to take the idea of the normal versus the abnormal and flip it over until it doesn't mean anything.
00:19:18.000 Until there is no normal, there is no abnormal.
00:19:20.000 Nobody can judge.
00:19:21.000 There's this Saturday Night Live thing I saw before with this old skit when it was funny.
00:19:26.000 And the guy's like saying this crazy, perverse stuff. 0.96
00:19:28.000 He's like the sex educator guy, and he's saying crazy, perverted stuff. 0.96
00:19:31.000 And his tagline is, is that weird? 0.98
00:19:33.000 Who's to say?
00:19:34.000 It's that.
00:19:35.000 And yeah, so there's so many different ways we could go with this.
00:19:37.000 I am curious, though, is a lot of this rooted in kind of the virus of subjectivism.
00:19:43.000 Oh, yeah, sure, of course.
00:19:46.000 That, you know, if you feel it, if you can imagine it, as you as a conscious subject, if we're going to be more formally academic about it, then you can bring it into being and you can transform the world to accommodate it.
00:19:56.000 So, yeah, it's like activist subjectivism, though, not like just relativism or like my subjectivity matters.
00:20:02.000 It's that which I can imagine should be able to be active.
00:20:04.000 With almost evangelistic fervor.
00:20:06.000 Oh, it's a total evangelistic religion. 0.98
00:20:08.000 It is a nutjob religion. 0.99
00:20:09.000 So, what I don't understand, though, James, is that just take some of the atheist group, okay? 0.73
00:20:15.000 Yeah.
00:20:16.000 Their whole kind of metaphysical belief is not having one because they say sensory experience and science anchors us.
00:20:24.000 Sure.
00:20:25.000 By definition, that is a rejection of opinion.
00:20:29.000 Sure.
00:20:30.000 Is that right?
00:20:31.000 So, meaning it's there is only, we have to stay with the things that we can prove.
00:20:35.000 You don't get to make up your own existence.
00:20:37.000 Why is it that it seems as if there's a happy marriage between someone dissecular humanists and subjectivism?
00:20:42.000 Are you tracking with me here?
00:20:44.000 Yeah, I am.
00:20:44.000 Excuse me.
00:20:45.000 And it's the same reason that feminism has gotten taken over by queer theory and the trans issue. 1.00
00:20:50.000 And it's because once you step into the dialectic, the dialectic only moves left.
00:20:54.000 Whenever you do a, you know, you said the synthesis thing, right?
00:20:57.000 So when you do Hegelian code for you.
00:21:00.000 Hegelian code.
00:21:01.000 When you take two ideas, right?
00:21:02.000 It's a thing in its opposite, the thesis and the antithesis, and you put them next to each other, mash them together, and you get the synthetic combination of them that contains their essence but gets rid of the particulars.
00:21:11.000 That's the idea.
00:21:12.000 That's a new synthetic whole.
00:21:14.000 That's not, and this is what people don't understand.
00:21:15.000 That's not a new center.
00:21:17.000 That's the new far right.
00:21:18.000 And so it always is going to just keep going.
00:21:20.000 So this left-wing, leftist, I see the atheist movement was a critical religion theory.
00:21:26.000 Very much so.
00:21:26.000 I participated in it.
00:21:27.000 See that.
00:21:28.000 I confess to that for sure.
00:21:30.000 And it can only move one direction, and it cannot resist anything from the left.
00:21:35.000 And so it's now been sucked into this to where it has this religion of transformation that it thinks isn't a religion.
00:21:41.000 And so that is the argument for being a conservative is resisting the thesis-antithesis-synthesis process, right?
00:21:49.000 Somebody has to.
00:21:50.000 Yeah.
00:21:50.000 It has to be resisted or else it's just going to fall off a cliff.
00:21:54.000 That seems to be so logical.
00:21:56.000 Why is it so hard to do?
00:21:58.000 They have done, I call this the Jon Stewart phenomenon from the Daily Show.
00:22:02.000 They have done a number.
00:22:03.000 They have done a psyops bigger than maybe any other psyops.
00:22:07.000 And every communist takeover in history has done this, every single one.
00:22:12.000 And what they do is they make conservative a bad word.
00:22:16.000 They make right-wing a bad word.
00:22:18.000 Mao did it explicitly.
00:22:19.000 This is really happening right now for real.
00:22:22.000 Things are occurring.
00:22:23.000 No, so every communist movement has done this in history.
00:22:25.000 Mao gave five identity categories that he called the bad identities, the black identities, ironically enough, that were the bad ones versus the communist red ones.
00:22:32.000 And one of them is just right-winger. 0.99
00:22:34.000 So Jon Stewart went on TV and said, you know, BS Mountain every day and conservatives are dumb and haha, let's make fun of conservatives. 0.96
00:22:40.000 What these people are terrified of more than anything else is something that will cause their social group or their professional associations to call them conservative in any way whatsoever. 0.95
00:22:49.000 So it really does come down to nature, which is I want to be liked by my tribe.
00:22:54.000 I want to have social currency.
00:22:56.000 It kind of comes down to some of that of why this is so hard to reject and stop.
00:23:00.000 Once the synthesis gets momentum, is that correct?
00:23:04.000 Once it has force, once it has mass times acceleration, the synthesis is hard to stop.
00:23:09.000 It's very hard to stop.
00:23:10.000 It's extremely hard to walk these things back once they make these changes.
00:23:14.000 Even when things are literally like you look in New York City or you look at Los Angeles, you look at San Francisco, things are literally falling apart around you.
00:23:20.000 And people just can't seem to pinpoint.
00:23:22.000 They think it's incompetence.
00:23:23.000 They think that, you know, it's just mistakes.
00:23:25.000 They think it'll get worse before it gets better, something like this.
00:23:27.000 They honestly, it's like they believe that the promise lands on the other side of destruction.
00:23:33.000 It sounds crazy, but I mean it.
00:23:36.000 If you read the literature, they say that.
00:23:37.000 Constant criticism, ruthless criticism, Marx.
00:23:40.000 Who's there?
00:23:40.000 What?
00:23:40.000 What literature?
00:23:41.000 Okay, Karl Marx.
00:23:41.000 Ruthless criticism of everything that exists.
00:23:43.000 Herbert Marcuse, Marxist from the 1960s, says, We're going to use negative thinking.
00:23:48.000 The most influential Marxists of the 1960s, by the way, Frankfurt School.
00:23:51.000 Frankfurt School, that's right.
00:23:52.000 So he says we're going to use negative thinking, and negative thinking will necessarily become positive by virtue of releasing the ideal society that is contained within the existing society.
00:24:01.000 Critique what exists, and it'll open up the problems, and the perfect thing that's inside will grow out of it.
00:24:06.000 That's what they believe.
00:24:07.000 So, this sounds like a super oversimplification, and just stop me in my tracks.
00:24:10.000 But this sounds how deeply unhappy people would create a political philosophy: criticize everything, complain all the time.
00:24:18.000 You just left out the narcissists, but yeah, you actually, that's really what it is.
00:24:22.000 You have actually put your finger straight on it.
00:24:24.000 So, I build that out a little bit more.
00:24:28.000 It's ultimately the idea is that they see the world as something that's imprisoning them.
00:24:34.000 Trans is quite literally, see their body as something imprisoning them. 1.00
00:24:37.000 And that there are means, sometimes technologically assisted or medically assisted or whatever, but there are means that we could have of escaping the prison of being if we just applied them.
00:24:46.000 We just transform the world to be different to accommodate them. 0.97
00:24:49.000 But that's not something people who enjoy their lives, who are happy, who are successful, who are doing something in the world, and who are even if they're not successful and they're content, right?
00:24:57.000 They're stoic or any of these other things, they don't want to just bend the world to their whims.
00:25:02.000 That is a position of either deep unhappiness and deep dissatisfaction and wanting to blame somebody else for it, or that's so interesting.
00:25:09.000 I mean, we're talking about how personality and temperament can impact the entire civilization.
00:25:16.000 Oh, yeah.
00:25:17.000 If it, you know, it depends on proportions.
00:25:19.000 If a significant enough chunk of the population of the power for people are narcissists, correct, unhappy narcissists, right?
00:25:27.000 So, now you now understand what they're doing in the schools: making vulnerable narcissists out of our children so that there's more and more and more of them.
00:25:33.000 That's queer theory. 0.96
00:25:34.000 So, James, we're talking about the synthesis of Marxism.
00:25:37.000 And so, tell us, how do we slow down the synthesis?
00:25:41.000 Well, I mean, you have to stand against it.
00:25:43.000 It goes faster when nobody stands against it.
00:25:46.000 So, it's a process that's been, we were talking before we started for 50 years.
00:25:49.000 Nobody has paid attention to them.
00:25:51.000 Nobody's taken them seriously. 0.96
00:25:52.000 People thought, oh, it's just some crazy college people.
00:25:54.000 People thought it couldn't possibly go this far.
00:25:57.000 And then, very, very quickly, now that we're getting to the point, it's going this far.
00:26:00.000 So, you have to stand against it.
00:26:01.000 You have to say this far no further.
00:26:03.000 And you have to be willing to take whatever slingshots are.
00:26:05.000 You can't give an inch at any corner, right?
00:26:07.000 Well, if you give an inch, they're going to take two and demand three. 0.86
00:26:11.000 So, you cannot give an inch in any corner.
00:26:12.000 But what is the importance of that?
00:26:14.000 Because so many people on quote-unquote our side, they are quick to want to say, well, we have to compromise.
00:26:20.000 But they look at compromise as progress, don't they?
00:26:22.000 No, that's right.
00:26:23.000 If we're compromising to them, they look at it as momentum for their Hegelian view of whatever they're trying to accomplish.
00:26:31.000 No, the communist loves to use your values against you.
00:26:34.000 So, your values of being fair, looking for compromise, looking to find a deal or whatever.
00:26:39.000 They use that against you, and then you go home and they laugh about it because they got what they wanted, you lost what you wanted, and they're going to come back tomorrow.
00:26:47.000 Like I said, they take two and then demand three, you're going to get another inch demanded of you right away.
00:26:51.000 You said something interesting to me, which is that they're constantly criticizing everything.
00:26:57.000 That's not a mistake, that is a strategy and a philosophy, is it not?
00:27:01.000 That's exactly what it is.
00:27:02.000 Yeah, it's the idea of it's called negative thinking by the 20th century Marxists, and they're proud of it.
00:27:09.000 They think it is the way to free up the divine from its mortal coil.
00:27:14.000 Wait, wait, hold on.
00:27:15.000 That's such slow down.
00:27:16.000 Divine from the mortal coil.
00:27:18.000 What?
00:27:19.000 This is all a mystery religion. 0.83
00:27:20.000 It is not politics.
00:27:22.000 It is all a mystery religion. 0.96
00:27:23.000 And in particular, this is alchemy.
00:27:26.000 Why do you do magical things to lead to get gold out of it?
00:27:29.000 Because the seed of gold is contained.
00:27:31.000 The divine metal is contained inside the base metal.
00:27:33.000 So you mix it with some mercury and you do some potions and you do a magic spell, and the gold, you criticize the lead, the mundane, and the divine is able to grow out of it.
00:27:41.000 Just like the divine gender soul person is going to be able to grow out of surgeries and Lupron and hormones and whatever else. 0.99
00:27:49.000 So this is a metamorphosis belief?
00:27:51.000 Is that right?
00:27:52.000 That's exactly what it is.
00:27:52.000 It is to transform the world into the kingdom of God and to transform man into something that's the world.
00:27:56.000 But they don't believe in God.
00:27:58.000 So transformation is fundamental to their worldview.
00:28:01.000 Yes.
00:28:02.000 The transformation of man, the transformation of society, the transformation of norms.
00:28:06.000 That which has power can transform.
00:28:09.000 Well, I should clarify, when I said transform the world into the kingdom of God, I was quoting Henry Giroux, who was a Marxist educator, who wrote that in 1985.
00:28:17.000 So that is their objective.
00:28:18.000 But they see their God is the idealized man.
00:28:22.000 What is that, though?
00:28:23.000 It is man.
00:28:23.000 That's the ubermensch?
00:28:24.000 Is that like a Nietzschean idea?
00:28:25.000 Exactly.
00:28:26.000 It's a man made perfect.
00:28:28.000 So, like, the man is divine.
00:28:30.000 You have to make the Soviet man. 1.00
00:28:31.000 Yes.
00:28:32.000 Man is divine, but he forgot it.
00:28:33.000 And you have to remind him by making him perfectly communist.
00:28:36.000 This is so religious in every capacity.
00:28:39.000 That's Karl Marx's economic and philosophic manuscripts of 1844.
00:28:42.000 I'm not making it up.
00:28:43.000 No, I'm not saying you are.
00:28:44.000 I know, but a lot of people think I do. 1.00
00:28:45.000 And it's like, no, I just read their damn books. 0.99
00:28:48.000 And you know them. 0.99
00:28:49.000 And you know, like, what, what their philosophy is, and you know where they came from.
00:28:52.000 That's right.
00:28:53.000 It's fascinating.
00:28:53.000 They wanted to say, why are we different than animals?
00:28:56.000 They wanted to answer that question philosophically.
00:28:58.000 And they used Hegel's absolute idea and replaced it with the absolute idea of phenomenology of spirit.
00:29:02.000 Yeah, Hegel had the absolute idea as God.
00:29:04.000 Marx said the idea lives in man's head.
00:29:06.000 So the idea, the ideal man has the ideal or absolute idea.
00:29:10.000 And so you have to create the absolute man.
00:29:12.000 What's the absolute man?
00:29:13.000 Marx told you it's a communist.
00:29:15.000 And everyone has a debt.
00:29:15.000 So Heidegger had a different answer of what the absolute man was.
00:29:18.000 The Ăśbermensch is debated, but the Marxists believe it is what would be an example in really quick literature of their absolute man?
00:29:26.000 Not Christ.
00:29:27.000 No, absolutely not.
00:29:28.000 There isn't one because it's the perfect communist.
00:29:31.000 It is the perfectly social being.
00:29:33.000 That would be the abolition of man.
00:29:35.000 That would be the abolition of man.
00:29:36.000 As Lewis wrote, it's brilliant.
00:29:38.000 Dr. James Lindsay, everybody.
00:29:40.000 Race Marxism is his latest book.
00:29:42.000 His other book is really good.
00:29:44.000 Cynical Theories.
00:29:45.000 Thank you.
00:29:45.000 Cynical Theories with Helen Pluckrose.
00:29:48.000 That book is nice.
00:29:49.000 You learn a lot, but it doesn't go far enough at certain places.
00:29:52.000 So you got to go further.
00:29:53.000 James thinks I'm actually right by saying that.
00:29:55.000 Dr. James Lindsay just got banned from Twitter.
00:29:57.000 We didn't have time to talk about that.
00:29:58.000 But what we said, I think, was actually more helpful.
00:30:00.000 I agree.
00:30:01.000 Keep up the great work, my friend.
00:30:02.000 Thank you.
00:30:06.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.
00:30:07.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:30:10.000 Thank you so much for listening.
00:30:11.000 God bless.
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