The Charlie Kirk Show - ‘Good Kills’ with Pastor David Engelhardt

00:00:00.000 Happy Sunday.

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:01.000 My conversation from Dream City Church with Pastor David Engelhart.

00:00:06.000 Good kills.

00:00:08.000 That's what Pastor Engelhart says.

00:00:09.000 We talk about the transgender issue.

00:00:12.000 We talk about the gay marriage issue.

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00:01:26.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:01:28.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

00:01:30.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

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00:01:37.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:01:38.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:01:39.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:01:47.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

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00:02:00.000 Thank you, everybody.

00:02:01.000 Please take a seat.

00:02:02.000 Thank you.

00:02:03.000 You know, I'm so touched when I kind of go throughout Scottsdale and Phoenix and people come up to me and they say, Charlie, I go every single month to Dream City.

00:02:12.000 It really means a lot.

00:02:13.000 And it's a vision that has just come together and it's been so special.

00:02:17.000 One of the most amazing stories, some of you might remember when we had Jack Hibbs here a couple months ago, and we kind of had a pretty heated session about the vaccine, about the mandatory vaccine.

00:02:28.000 And what was so amazing is that afterwards, some of the nurses that were saying, Charlie, I'm about to get fired.

00:02:33.000 I think one might be here.

00:02:35.000 As soon as they came up and told their story, if it was relayed to me correctly, which I think it was, they had job opportunities the moment they walked out of Freedom Night, Freedom Square, immediately.

00:02:45.000 It's just so cool to think, and it's awesome.

00:02:48.000 So one housekeeping thing, you guys can continue to keep calling this Freedom Square.

00:02:53.000 I hope you guys do.

00:02:55.000 There's a really good company out there that owns the rights to Freedom Square, and we don't want to get into a fight with them.

00:03:01.000 So for all intents and purposes, from our standpoint, it's Freedom Night in America now.

00:03:07.000 But you guys can continue to call it whatever you want.

00:03:09.000 See, there it is.

00:03:10.000 Okay.

00:03:11.000 Got it all there.

00:03:12.000 But it's a night of freedom.

00:03:14.000 How about that?

00:03:15.000 So we want to continue to be magnanimous and building good movements and all that.

00:03:19.000 And, you know, God bless all the good people that are behind that great company, and they're doing great work.

00:03:25.000 So a couple of things I want to share with you.

00:03:26.000 And then we have a real treat tonight of one of the most popular and one of the most bold and courageous pastors in New York City is here with us tonight.

00:03:35.000 And he does such a great job.

00:03:36.000 And he is the author of a new book called Good Kills.

00:03:39.000 If that doesn't get your attention, I don't know what will.

00:03:43.000 And David is also a board member at Turning Point USA.

00:03:45.000 We do a lot of different things together.

00:03:47.000 But first, I want to share a couple things that I think are really exciting.

00:03:50.000 Last month, we talked about kind of a theme that is happening in our country that I think has only accelerated in the last couple weeks, which is the rise of the citizen and the fall of the regime.

00:04:01.000 We're seeing that happen in real time.

00:04:04.000 And I don't know about you, but the last couple days, I have spent hours just watching footage, so inspired by those Canadian truckers that have decided to push back against tyranny.

00:04:18.000 I have just been so...

00:04:20.000 Moved by that.

00:04:21.000 And look, it's one thing for the French to protest.

00:04:24.000 They do that a lot, right?

00:04:26.000 Now, I guess Canada has some French roots, but still, the Canadians, they're very polite people.

00:04:30.000 You know that.

00:04:31.000 There's actually a lot of Canadians in Scottsdale, a fair amount.

00:04:34.000 Very nice, very polite, very agreeable people.

00:04:37.000 And it takes a lot for them to do what they're doing right now.

00:04:41.000 And this is why I always get so confused and dare I say impatient.

00:04:47.000 I know we're not supposed to get impatient as Christians when certain pastors say, Charlie, politics doesn't matter.

00:04:52.000 Stop it.

00:04:53.000 Cut it out.

00:04:54.000 I say, really?

00:04:55.000 Politics matters so much that when you cross a line in the sand or the snow, you could get arrested for doing what you're doing right now in Canada.

00:05:04.000 That's a big deal, right?

00:05:06.000 How you form your government matters a lot to the body of Christ, the free expression.

00:05:10.000 Where Archer Pavlovsky, a pastor in Alberta, I believe, or could be in Saskatchewan or Saskatchewan is in Alberta.

00:05:19.000 And he has a church and he was warned twice by the government.

00:05:24.000 And they arrested him on the side of the street for having church.

00:05:27.000 And that's happening all across Canada.

00:05:29.000 Keep him in your prayers.

00:05:30.000 I think he's out on their equivalent of parole.

00:05:33.000 And you might be saying, oh, what are they protesting in Canada?

00:05:36.000 Why are they stopping traffic?

00:05:37.000 Well, let me tell you, if you do not have full proof of vaccination, which includes all the booster shots, by the way, it's not just the fact of the first two doses, all the booster shots.

00:05:46.000 Let's say you're unvaccinated, of which I am.

00:05:49.000 I would not be allowed to go to a grocery store.

00:05:51.000 You're not allowed to.

00:05:52.000 You have to have a health warden escort you only within certain hours.

00:05:55.000 So they could clear out everyone because you're such a danger to society.

00:05:59.000 You're not allowed to freely move between provinces.

00:06:02.000 You're not allowed to freely move between the United States and Canada, regardless of vaccination status, regardless.

00:06:08.000 You have to quarantine for two weeks coming into Canada.

00:06:13.000 And Canadians, being a country of only about 36, 38 million people, about the size of California, they had enough.

00:06:20.000 And if you haven't really spent time looking at the story, I know some of you have kind of seen bits and pieces of it.

00:06:25.000 It's so inspiring and so, quite honestly, unexpected.

00:06:29.000 They started this long trucker convoy across the Arctic tundra all the way to Ottawa.

00:06:34.000 And what I love about it is that these are the people that make our economy work.

00:06:38.000 And honestly, they're people that sometimes we take for granted that are at the back ends of pejoratives or slurs or insults.

00:06:46.000 Like, what, are you going to be like a trucker?

00:06:48.000 When in reality, they're people that kept our entire economy alive when we shut down our country, right?

00:06:53.000 Without the truckers, how would we have staffed our grocery stores and our entire civilization?

00:06:59.000 And many of them are being forced to say that, okay, because a lot of them do routes between U.S. and Canada.

00:07:06.000 And they're saying, okay, in order for you to see your family, you have to mandatory quarantine for two weeks, regardless of vaccination status, coming back into Canada.

00:07:13.000 And they are drawing the line in the snow.

00:07:16.000 And still right now, they have basically peacefully, by the way, which is always the way we want things to be done, zero violence, regardless what the prime minister is saying.

00:07:25.000 They're occupying the streets of Ottawa.

00:07:27.000 And they're saying, look, we are not leaving until you lift these tyrannical orders.

00:07:31.000 Now, some pastors are coming out and they say, this is not Christ-like, you know, and I disagree.

00:07:37.000 In fact, I believe fighting tyranny and pursuing liberty is trying to fulfill God's promise for his children.

00:07:45.000 And this is an important thing because as we explore this, we must remember that the Canadian truckers and them alongside, they tried every other way to try and petition and reconcile with their government.

00:08:00.000 And they're willing to accept the punishment, which is the defining characteristic of civil disobedience, mind you.

00:08:05.000 These truckers say, fine, arrest us right now.

00:08:07.000 Take our stuff.

00:08:08.000 You're going to have to have the footage of all of a sudden you guys bringing in the National Guard to do that.

00:08:12.000 Very similar, by the way, to how Daniel ended up in the Lion's Den.

00:08:16.000 We always tell the story of how Daniel was in the Lions Den.

00:08:18.000 We forget how he actually ended up in the Lions Den in the first place, which was that there was a conspiracy against Daniel to try to forbid him from actually practicing God's laws, the commandments of worshiping God.

00:08:28.000 He made a conscious decision to obey God and not man, open up the window to the city and defy government authorities.

00:08:34.000 And that was what got him into the lion's den.

00:08:37.000 And the promise of that story is the same promise to the Canadian truckers, which is that God will not forsake his children if you honor his commandments against tyranny.

00:08:46.000 And this is something that some Christians do not want to admit.

00:08:50.000 There's bad governments out there, and they might want to crush your ability to congregate and to worship.

00:08:57.000 And so it's not just in Canada.

00:09:00.000 This is starting all across Europe, by the way, Australia, and New Zealand.

00:09:05.000 And I think that we have to do everything we possibly can to have their back.

00:09:08.000 And honestly, I hope there's a freedom convoy, peaceful freedom convoy that starts across America.

00:09:12.000 I would love to see that.

00:09:14.000 So it really is kind of that reinforcing theme of citizen rising and the regime being questioned.

00:09:21.000 And just seeing Justin Trudeau try to explain this has been actually a masterclass in tyranny.

00:09:27.000 It really has been.

00:09:29.000 You know, those masterclasses, like, here's how you could do this.

00:09:32.000 It's like a masterclass in how to defy, you know, what the people actually want.

00:09:36.000 He flees.

00:09:37.000 He doesn't want to confront them.

00:09:40.000 And it really, I mean, there's a lot of different words to kind of describe him that I won't use in church.

00:09:46.000 But I will say that he definitely is not representing his people in more ways than one.

00:09:51.000 But it does kind of show that the ground is starting to shake.

00:09:54.000 It's starting to shake from the movement of all of you.

00:09:57.000 Moms and dads showing up to school boards, people starting to question people in authority.

00:10:01.000 I mean, who would have thought the creativity and quite honestly, the out-of-the-box thinking of a trucker convoy, like a month ago, we would never have thought it.

00:10:09.000 But it really goes to show that in the West, there is a desire for liberty, you know, despite what the media might have you believe.

00:10:16.000 Okay, one other thing I want to touch on here before we bring up David, which is something that's happening locally.

00:10:21.000 Now, before I proceed, this is not a joke, but I do want you to laugh because it's the only way you'll be able to process part of what I'm about to share with you.

00:10:29.000 But after you're done laughing, we need to get serious about what's really happening in our city and our state and our country.

00:10:35.000 We all agree we're in a spiritual war, right?

00:10:37.000 We agree that everything that's happening physical is just a manifestation of the spiritual.

00:10:41.000 There's an invisible war that's happening around us that a lot of people ignore.

00:10:45.000 They do not want to even admit exists.

00:10:48.000 But you could start to see the diabolical nature of a lot of the programs that are starting to happen.

00:10:53.000 Well, some people call this satanic or demonic, and I agree with a lot of that.

00:10:57.000 Now, some of you might not even know this, but I'm going to inform you, the body of Christ, what's coming to your neighborhood in just a couple of days.

00:11:04.000 From February 11th through 13th, SatanCon, the National Satanic Conference, is coming here to Scottsdale.

00:11:12.000 It's sold out February 11th, 12th, and 13th.

00:11:17.000 That will be hosted here at a local hotel.

00:11:20.000 Now, I chuckle at this because Turning Point USA has trouble getting hotels to host us because they call us too controversial.

00:11:30.000 But yeah, sure, the Satanists, like, yeah, we'll rent out the whole ballroom.

00:11:34.000 It's like, it kind of changes the whole definition of what is considered to be controversial.

00:11:39.000 By the way, you could fact check all this.

00:11:41.000 It's all very public.

00:11:43.000 They chose Scottsdale for a reason.

00:11:45.000 They chose Scottsdale because the former mayor of Scottsdale did the right thing, but he's actually, unfortunately, I think backed away from it in some of his statements saying that the Church of Satan should not be allowed to make a prayer at Scottsdale city council meetings.

00:11:58.000 That was the right move.

00:12:00.000 He has sent, well, you know, this thing happening in Scottsdale is just, it's free speech.

00:12:04.000 You know, that's what it is.

00:12:05.000 Now, this is an interesting thing to ponder on, and I don't think there's a clear-cut answer of it.

00:12:09.000 But when Thomas Jefferson and James Madison and John Jay and Alexander Hamilton were talking about freedom of speech, I don't think Satan conventions were what they thought as the fruits of liberty.

00:12:21.000 Like, oh, yeah, the fruits of liberty, Luciferian conventions happening in the middle of really decent places to live.

00:12:30.000 And I'm going to go into some of the details, what they're going to be doing there because it's important.

00:12:34.000 So literal, like our darkness is coming into the valley.

00:12:37.000 Now, some Christians say, oh, I have no problem with this.

00:12:40.000 You know, Satan is in a lot of different places.

00:12:42.000 He's not everywhere.

00:12:43.000 The Bible does not say he's ubiquitous.

00:12:44.000 He focuses on a certain place.

00:12:47.000 Yeah, I have a big problem with this.

00:12:48.000 I think that if you tolerate evil, especially literally Satan conventions and conferences, yeah, the ramifications of that are quite obvious, right?

00:12:57.000 And the Bible tells us that we should love what is good and hate what is evil.

00:13:00.000 And Lord, rebuke you.

00:13:01.000 It says very clearly in Jude 1:9.

00:13:03.000 So, but this is an important point, which is that, you know, some people say that we can't do anything about this because it's just freedom of speech and all this.

00:13:12.000 Now, there's a political and a legal standpoint of this, and there's also a spiritual standpoint of this, right?

00:13:17.000 I want to alert all of you so that you could be praying.

00:13:20.000 And there will be a big protest in opposition to this.

00:13:22.000 I hope it's a big protest.

00:13:24.000 And I do want to give a shout out.

00:13:25.000 The local Catholic diocese has actually been on top of this.

00:13:28.000 I know that a lot of people here might not have warm feelings towards Catholics, but they deserve a lot of credit.

00:13:33.000 They really do.

00:13:34.000 They've been organizing about this, and they deserve credit for that.

00:13:37.000 I would love to see a peaceful kind of spiritual counterbalance.

00:13:41.000 Now, here's some of their programming.

00:13:43.000 They have the Impurity Ball that will be happening in downtown Scottsdale.

00:13:47.000 This is their national convention, right?

00:13:49.000 It's like their Super Bowl.

00:13:50.000 And we should kind of mock them because they're losers.

00:13:53.000 We win and you lose in the end.

00:13:54.000 That's how the book ends.

00:13:57.000 So the Impurity Ball is a display of bodily autonomy, personal growth, and the joys of sinning with abandon, right?

00:14:05.000 Now, here's where some people say, oh, you know, okay, this is just a fringe group.

00:14:09.000 Okay.

00:14:10.000 Well, in Moline, Illinois, this very same organization is now having groups in schools.

00:14:16.000 It's been approved after school clubs.

00:14:18.000 And that's one of the things they're meeting on here in Scottsdale, right?

00:14:21.000 How do we implement more Satan clubs in local public schools in Arizona and across the country?

00:14:26.000 So your taxpayer-funded dollars can go to underwrite satanic activity.

00:14:32.000 But here's the thing, everybody, right?

00:14:33.000 They're all about bodily autonomy.

00:14:36.000 It's the impurity ball.

00:14:37.000 But they require proof of vaccination at N95 masks, and they're required at all times, okay?

00:14:43.000 So the Satanists, it actually makes perfect sense, though.

00:14:47.000 They have a spirit of fear, and we don't.

00:14:50.000 That's why they have to wear masks all the time, right?

00:14:57.000 So, all kidding aside, from a political standpoint, our leaders can decide whatever they want to do.

00:15:03.000 You know, I said something on my radio show.

00:15:05.000 Someone emailed us.

00:15:07.000 They say, Charlie, you know, isn't it a slippery slope if you start to say some people can speak and some people can't?

00:15:12.000 Where do you draw the line?

00:15:13.000 Yeah, I draw the line at Satan conferences, actually.

00:15:17.000 That's my line.

00:15:19.000 So thanks for asking, right?

00:15:22.000 Like, that's actually the line.

00:15:23.000 I think it doesn't make us a better country to live in.

00:15:26.000 Satan conferences.

00:15:28.000 And if that's considered to be controversial, we could explore that, I guess, in the question and answer time.

00:15:34.000 I do this to alert you and to encourage you to try to participate through prayer, through fasting, through intercessory intervention.

00:15:42.000 This is an important thing.

00:15:44.000 We should mock it.

00:15:45.000 We should laugh at it, obviously, but also we should take it seriously.

00:15:49.000 There's something here.

00:15:49.000 I want you to think about it.

00:15:50.000 They could have picked any country, any country, any state.

00:15:52.000 Well, let's just take any state.

00:15:54.000 It's the American Satanist organization or whatever.

00:15:57.000 And why Arizona?

00:15:58.000 That's an interesting question, right?

00:15:59.000 Yeah, it could be because of the city council thing that really irritated them.

00:16:03.000 Or it's like, yeah, we have like a pretty heavy presence in Hollywood and Manhattan.

00:16:07.000 We're going to go to the spiritual battleground.

00:16:08.000 Maybe that's what they're thinking, right?

00:16:11.000 And I, for one, want to be part of a group of people that literally drive Satan out of Phoenix and of Arizona.

00:16:18.000 And I hope you'll all join us February 11th, 12th, and 13th to do that together.

00:16:23.000 So on that wonderfully uplifting note, but it is uplifting because we know how it all ends.

00:16:29.000 And Christ has given us victory, right?

00:16:31.000 We do not have victory personally over Satan, but Christ has given us the victory over Satan.

00:16:37.000 So we should not be afraid of this, but we should be aware and alert that it's happening and also in an act of posture.

00:16:44.000 I've gotten to know David really well over the last couple of years.

00:16:47.000 I wrote the forward to this book.

00:16:48.000 It's called Good Kills.

00:16:49.000 You might be like, come on, what does that mean?

00:16:51.000 It's so thoughtful.

00:16:52.000 It's so unique.

00:16:53.000 In this book, have some truths that are not always talked about by the American church.

00:16:58.000 I'll tell you a fun story before I call David up here.

00:17:00.000 So we were traveling at a turning point USA campus tour, and David was with us and just kind of checking in, seeing how things were going.

00:17:08.000 And he says, Charlie, there's a chapter in my book called Sexual Anarchy.

00:17:11.000 I'm like, cool, that sounds like a band.

00:17:12.000 Like, that's kind of interesting.

00:17:14.000 And he told me what it was.

00:17:15.000 And so then I went to the, and basically what it is, what we're living through right now, right?

00:17:19.000 No restraints, no rules, no morals, do whatever you want, and you end up really miserable.

00:17:23.000 And the way he explained it was really thoughtful.

00:17:25.000 So I say it at this conference at this convention the next day with all these students.

00:17:29.000 It goes so viral, like all over the entire world.

00:17:32.000 So I can thank David for that.

00:17:34.000 But there's a lot of truths in this book that I think are worth looking into.

00:17:39.000 And I think it will equip you to be able to fight the spiritual war and live a better life.

00:17:43.000 So everybody, please join me in welcoming my friend, Pastor David Engelhardt.

00:17:49.000 All right, David, welcome.

00:17:51.000 Thank you.

00:17:51.000 You've attended a couple of these, right?

00:17:53.000 I was at the one with Eric Metaxas being not funny at all.

00:17:56.000 Yeah.

00:17:57.000 So you got to tell him my stand-up routine was better than his.

00:18:01.000 So David, tell us a little about yourself.

00:18:03.000 Introduce yourself to our audience.

00:18:04.000 Lawyer, your walk with Christ all day.

00:18:06.000 I'm a pastor, lawyer.

00:18:08.000 I pastor a church in Manhattan, all the way at the bottom of the island.

00:18:12.000 People always say to me, I thought you were supposed to go like from lawyer, you get saved, and then you become pastor.

00:18:18.000 How did you do the opposite way?

00:18:20.000 And the Lord really divinely called me into the pastoral, from the pastoral ministry, into law, and then back into doing both at the same time.

00:18:29.000 And it's really a beautiful time to be trained legally, constitutionally, with the battles the church is facing right now in our day and age.

00:18:37.000 And really the war to strip us of our rights, our ability to speak about the gospel and about not just this great invitation to Christ, but also that Jesus says it says in the book of Mark, everywhere that he went, he said, repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

00:18:54.000 And right now there's a war and they don't want us to say the word repent.

00:18:58.000 They don't want us to say these acts are sinful and they're against God's order and they're really damaging for humanity.

00:19:04.000 And so that, so anyway, all of those things, I just feel like the Lord really appropriated me and then equipped me for being in the middle of New York City, battling the Black Lives Matter stuff, mandates, all of these kinds of things that are now really intense issues.

00:19:21.000 And so, David, your church has taken a stand.

00:19:23.000 You came out and you said the undertones of BLM are unbiblical.

00:19:28.000 And you kind of took a hit at that with, you know, hit for that at first.

00:19:31.000 And you've also, you're not checking for proof of vaccination at the door for your church in New York City.

00:19:39.000 You're not, there's not a lot of you out there.

00:19:42.000 We were actually having lunch at our church because so many of our church people were unvaxed.

00:19:46.000 They couldn't go to restaurants after church on Sunday.

00:19:50.000 So we just opened our church up for Uber DoorDash deliveries and were having lunch at our church just because they wouldn't let us.

00:19:58.000 So tell us a little about your church.

00:20:00.000 Yeah.

00:20:01.000 Let me tell how we met that story.

00:20:04.000 So nine years ago, I had just graduated law school and I really felt compelled, both my wife and I. I've been married for 17 years, three kids.

00:20:18.000 And we felt just this compulsion by the Holy Spirit to go to New York City and plant a church and do business law at the same time, not really knowing why or how.

00:20:30.000 And so we were waiting for the bar results to come in and I was fasting and praying saying, God, you really have to speak to me and give me direction.

00:20:38.000 Like, I want to do this thing, but I need heaven to stamp what I want to do.

00:20:42.000 Do you know what I'm saying?

00:20:43.000 Like, we have a lot of things we want to do, but we need heaven to stamp the time and the season and the place.

00:20:49.000 And so I was fasting and praying.

00:20:51.000 My wife and I were sitting on a park bench.

00:20:53.000 I said, I just feel like we're supposed to ask God to give us $5,000 tomorrow.

00:20:58.000 And she was like, what?

00:20:59.000 I was just like, just go with me.

00:21:01.000 Just bear with me.

00:21:02.000 Just as a sign.

00:21:04.000 I need much more than $5,000 for this vision, but just that God would give us the sign.

00:21:08.000 So I was like, Lord, I said to my wife, I said, can I pray for this?

00:21:10.000 And just because, you know, it's a weird thing.

00:21:12.000 It's like a fleece with water, the non-fleece water.

00:21:16.000 It's not one, you know, it's weird.

00:21:18.000 And so I prayed the Spirit, God, I just need your confirmation.

00:21:22.000 And so the next day rolls around and my wife got a call in the kitchen and they said, family members said, hey, Bethany, we know David wants to start a law practice in New York.

00:21:31.000 So we were going to give you five grand in a couple of months, but we just felt really like we had to tell you today that we're giving you $5,000 to help you, blah, blah, blah.

00:21:39.000 My wife looks despondent.

00:21:41.000 She looks like frustrated.

00:21:42.000 I'm like, what's the deal?

00:21:44.000 I hear from God, you know, like, be happy with me, you know?

00:21:49.000 And I was like, no, seriously, what's wrong?

00:21:51.000 She said, I really felt like we were supposed to ask for $10,000.

00:21:55.000 I was like, well, why didn't you say that?

00:21:58.000 The next day, they called back and they said, we changed our mind.

00:22:01.000 We're giving you $10,000, not $5,000.

00:22:04.000 And so, you know, when the stamp of God comes upon something that he's put in your heart, that means it's going to be incredibly difficult.

00:22:16.000 I didn't know that.

00:22:18.000 I thought it meant it was going to be incredibly easy.

00:22:20.000 It means exactly the opposite of that.

00:22:23.000 The bigger the sign, the harder the road.

00:22:27.000 And God gives us those Ebenezers, that stack of stones, so we remember his promises and we remember his voice and say, I know it's really brutal right now, but God is leading me.

00:22:38.000 And Jesus said, those who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God.

00:22:41.000 Amen?

00:22:44.000 So we planted a church in 2018.

00:22:46.000 It took a few years to get the practice off the ground and get stable.

00:22:50.000 And it was beautiful, multicultural, growing, starting with 15, grew to our first, whatever, 100 or so people, and had a lot of excitement.

00:22:59.000 And then the Black Lives Matter thing happened.

00:23:02.000 And there were two sets of people.

00:23:04.000 There was the actual Black Lives people, like the leaders of that organization.

00:23:09.000 And then there were pastors in my city that were saying things like, the church is the primary propagator of racism in the United States of America.

00:23:20.000 They were saying things like this.

00:23:21.000 You must treat racism like you treat COVID.

00:23:26.000 You must assume that everyone has it.

00:23:30.000 What does that do to a multicultural church, when the assumption is somewhere deep in your heart, you hate me and you're using me, and the church and my pastor is a part of this cadre of the primary propagators of this ideology.

00:23:47.000 And so it just tore our church apart and my people were coming and saying you should talk about this, and I was like you really don't want me to talk about it, you really don't want me to talk about it.

00:23:56.000 And then I I just um yeah, we talked about it and I actually just kind of I kind of just cannon fired on the evil underpinnings that are narcissism uh greed avarice socialism, all of these kind of all of the demonic axioms that underpin those arguments, and it blew my whole church up.

00:24:20.000 People were saying i'm a racist, my wife's a racist, my children are racist, my four-year-old daughter.

00:24:26.000 This lady was like, I know you're racist because your four-year-old daughter, I walked into the room one day and i'm black and she didn't say hi to me, but she said hi to the white lady.

00:24:34.000 So I know you train your children to be racist.

00:24:37.000 No, now listen, I know it sounds totally insane, but this is what people were deeply believing, people whose rent we were paying, people that got saved in our church, people that were being, that were weeping with us over prayer.

00:24:50.000 This demonic doctrine was tearing apart the people of God and um, and our church was basically sinking and.

00:25:00.000 But then I just I just started.

00:25:02.000 I started talking about some of this stuff in in the book.

00:25:05.000 It Kills that.

00:25:07.000 In revelation 21 the scripture says that Heaven has around it one of our favorite chapters.

00:25:07.000 You know.

00:25:14.000 People don't like it when David says that at all.

00:25:16.000 You know, Heaven has a wall around it, a gigantic wall, many thousand miles long, hugely tall, hugely thick.

00:25:26.000 Why would Heaven ever need a wall?

00:25:28.000 Well, it says it.

00:25:29.000 It says to keep out the things that are vile and gross, and and and then it says, and that no lie may enter it, because the kingdom of Heaven cannot apply God's moral system on top of lies.

00:25:43.000 It doesn't work, it breaks the axiom.

00:25:46.000 And that's how Satan destroys the garden right, with Eve's cooperation and Adam's cooperation, by inserting lies into a perfect place.

00:25:57.000 And when these pastors were standing up and saying things like, the church is the primary propagator of racism in the United States, these lies were being embedded into the hearts of Christian and their whole the, the garden of their hearts, where they met with Jesus, was being torn apart.

00:26:13.000 And so we wrote a book called good kills.

00:26:15.000 Well, and I just want to compliment uh David he could have backed down through all the BLM stuff and your church is growing.

00:26:22.000 Now you're planting churches across the country.

00:26:24.000 Yeah, it was kind of a refiner's fire, a little bit of a you know kind of seeing who's really on your team and then expanding it outward um, so let's talk about the book.

00:26:31.000 So I love it.

00:26:32.000 It's good kills, and we have some copies out in the lobby uh, afterwards for you guys um to pick up contribution of any, don't uh any amount at all.

00:26:40.000 The turning point, you guys can get a copy, God, Good And The Sword.

00:26:44.000 So first, good kills.

00:26:45.000 I'm gonna play devil's advocate here because it's a lot more fun.

00:26:48.000 What do you mean?

00:26:48.000 Good kills?

00:26:49.000 I mean good is every, I mean good lived, a good heals right, it's the opposite.

00:26:54.000 Well, that's a great, that's a great uh starting point, good, good heals.

00:26:58.000 And so if a patient uh has cancer and that cancer is eating their body and consuming them, the doctor must go in with a scalpel and remove the cancerous parts.

00:27:10.000 And in our church and in our culture there are cancerous ideas, there are cancerous philosophies and doctrines, even in the church.

00:27:18.000 That must actually be destroyed for the church to flourish, as God called it to flourish.

00:27:25.000 So So how do you define good?

00:27:28.000 Then I guess that's something a question would be say like what in what way does good actually end up killing?

00:27:33.000 Yeah, so so part of the application, I mean the ultimate picture here is that Christ was killed for us, for our good, right?

00:27:42.000 That's the ultimate salvific picture.

00:27:44.000 But the idea is not that good is always running around shooting people.

00:27:48.000 The idea is that in certain environments, it is necessary for a good man or woman to execute justice on bad things in the world.

00:27:59.000 And in our culture, I mean, we see it with, especially in a city like mine, I mean, people are getting pushed off the subway tracks or the platforms onto the rails with the subway coming all the time.

00:28:13.000 It's happening all the time.

00:28:15.000 Like my family and I do not use the subway unless we have to because the amount of crime that's proliferated there, because the government has stopped being good.

00:28:26.000 They've stopped executing the sword as they're called to do and authorized by God in Romans chapter 13.

00:28:33.000 And it's not that they don't have the sword, right?

00:28:35.000 It's that their view of justice, this is a real thing, is that the New York police went to the New York Museum of Metropolitan Art or whatever they call it, right?

00:28:44.000 And they detained and arrested a nine-year-old black girl because she did not have her vaccination papers, right?

00:28:51.000 So the police power in New York City is arresting people that are going to restaurants because they don't have the proper vaccination records or papers.

00:28:59.000 Meanwhile, murder, arson, rape, robbery, assault, and the graphic crime of a person, totally innocent, by the way.

00:29:08.000 I want you to think about, I mean, this idea that all crimes are equal is one of the dumbest anti-biblical ideas ever, right?

00:29:15.000 I want you to think about the crime of randomness.

00:29:18.000 Now, I'm not excusing any part of crime, right?

00:29:20.000 But you get in a heated argument with somebody and you punch them in a bar fight and you're drunk and they're drunk at 2 a.m.

00:29:26.000 That's bad.

00:29:27.000 But here's something that is so evil.

00:29:29.000 You see a random citizen on their iPhone with their headphones on right up to the train platform and you just say, I'm going to go push them in front of a train.

00:29:39.000 You don't know that person.

00:29:40.000 Get this.

00:29:41.000 You don't even steal anything from them.

00:29:42.000 It's just pure death.

00:29:44.000 It's happening all the time in New York.

00:29:46.000 And what's the police power doing?

00:29:48.000 Going after nine-year-olds that don't have their vaccination records.

00:29:50.000 Right.

00:29:52.000 So this is one of the ideas on chapter four of the book is called A Higher Hierarchy.

00:29:58.000 And this idea is that we as Christians derive a hierarchical moral order from the scripture.

00:30:06.000 I was on a call shortly after I met Charlie and got swept into the world of conservative saving America, which thank God.

00:30:14.000 Do you remember when I was a kid, like when the American Anthem came on, I like stood up.

00:30:17.000 Were you anybody else like that?

00:30:19.000 You're kind of like, that's my song, you know?

00:30:22.000 So excited to be serving Turning Point with Charlie.

00:30:26.000 I was on a, I got invited on a podcast shortly after Charlie and I connected and they were looking for pastors, any pastors who some voted for candidate A and some voted for candidate B.

00:30:39.000 And I said, I was the only guy that they found that voted for the guy that was pro not murdering babies.

00:30:47.000 It was like really hard to find other pastors, believe it or not, that are not pro chopping up babies.

00:30:56.000 And so this guy gets on and he's trying to ask me all these questions and hardball it.

00:31:00.000 And I said, listen, I believe in a hierarchy of moral order because Jesus said, if you make one of these little ones go astray, it'll be worse for you than tying a millstone around your neck and throwing yourself into the bottom of the sea, right?

00:31:18.000 Jesus said, this is what the Pharisees do.

00:31:20.000 They care about the bugs in their wine, but they swallow entire camels down.

00:31:27.000 He said they care about the really minute things of the law that don't matter.

00:31:30.000 The giant issues, they don't care at all about because they care about the things that incentivize themselves.

00:31:39.000 And so because of that, we learn that there's a hierarchy of moral law, that some sins are bug-size sins.

00:31:46.000 They're gross.

00:31:47.000 Please don't eat a lot of bugs.

00:31:48.000 Please don't do that.

00:31:49.000 Right.

00:31:49.000 And some are camel-size sins that destroy an entire society.

00:31:54.000 And murdering an innocent life is at the top of the hierarchy of moral order.

00:31:59.000 It's very simple.

00:32:00.000 Well, and it's even worse than that.

00:32:02.000 And David, you would agree.

00:32:03.000 Not just murdering the innocent life, but saying that God's okay with it.

00:32:06.000 That's even worse.

00:32:08.000 So that is doing evil in the name of God.

00:32:08.000 Right.

00:32:11.000 Yeah.

00:32:11.000 Right?

00:32:13.000 It's even worse violation of that.

00:32:15.000 And an example is how many people, I'm sure a lot of people here have had a rather aggressive enforcement of mask wearing posture, right?

00:32:23.000 It's a very important thing for the current regime of how you wear your mask, what type of mask it is.

00:32:28.000 And at some point, you know, recently I just kind of turned like, you know, there's 104,000 fentanyl overdoses every single year.

00:32:34.000 Like, just focus on that.

00:32:35.000 Thanks.

00:32:36.000 Like, I'm going to wear my mask where I want to.

00:32:38.000 And people say, oh, that's totally irrelevant.

00:32:40.000 You can walk and chew gum at the same time.

00:32:42.000 You know, that's a really interesting point, isn't it?

00:32:44.000 Which is that if you think you could solve all the problems simultaneously with the same effort, energy, and money, well, then you think you're some form of a divine figure.

00:32:52.000 The idea of hierarchy means that it's a triage.

00:32:56.000 And this is why hospitals do that, right?

00:32:58.000 Gunshot victims get treated before someone that has the common cold.

00:33:02.000 And a society should be ordered in the same way.

00:33:04.000 And justice should be ordered in the same way, right?

00:33:07.000 And it's even worse than that.

00:33:08.000 It's not like we're saying like, oh, yeah, the wearing mask thing is important, but we shouldn't get to it.

00:33:13.000 It's the opposite of actually, it's completely irrelevant.

00:33:15.000 It's like we've created this entire smokescreen controversy where we're just shadow boxing something that has no relevance, like zero relevance whatsoever when it's like, oh, yeah, we're, and Jesus said it so clearly, right?

00:33:27.000 You're going to care about the gnats and not the camels.

00:33:30.000 And why do you think that is, David?

00:33:31.000 What do you think is the deeper point?

00:33:32.000 Is that attacked by the enemy to try to get us distracted?

00:33:35.000 Why is that?

00:33:36.000 Yeah, I mean, there's a couple of issues.

00:33:37.000 I think one of the reasons that is because we don't read our Bibles enough.

00:33:40.000 I mean, to be perfectly honest with you, when I hear these guys talk about why they're mixing up God's hierarchy, they're literally not reading their Bibles.

00:33:49.000 Like they're not focusing on what the scripture actually says.

00:33:52.000 What's essential?

00:33:54.000 The Westminster Catechism, longer one.

00:33:56.000 It says that in the Old Testament, there were moral laws, that there were ceremonial laws, and that there were civil laws.

00:34:03.000 It says that those civil laws were done away with when Jesus came and rose from the dead and the nation of Israel ended.

00:34:11.000 But it says that those civil laws are to be used by us in society for the general equity thereof.

00:34:17.000 What does that mean?

00:34:18.000 It gives us wisdom.

00:34:20.000 It gives us God's paradigm and ideas for things that are really important and things that are not important.

00:34:26.000 Do you know this?

00:34:27.000 Do you know that there are no prisons established in the Old Testament by the people of God?

00:34:32.000 Zero.

00:34:33.000 Zero.

00:34:34.000 Do you know that God doesn't say, okay, this guy like stole somebody's camel, throw him in a box for like 20 years and then he'll be better when he gets.

00:34:43.000 Do you know why that is?

00:34:44.000 Because God values freedom.

00:34:48.000 God values freedom over safety.

00:34:50.000 Oh my gosh, what if he steals another camel?

00:34:53.000 Well, then we'll deal with that instance.

00:34:55.000 God actually has a higher value on freedom than he does on safety, which is why he allows a snake in the garden, which is why he allows things in our life to buffet us and turn us into the nature and character of Christ.

00:35:07.000 But some of these laws that the catechisms tell us and that we originally based our civil law on are forgotten.

00:35:14.000 So we're just randomly trying ideas and hoping they work.

00:35:18.000 So one of them, and David lovingly corrected me, this is how you know he's a great pastor, is I kept on saying over and over again, ended up being a chapter in his book.

00:35:25.000 This is how big of a correction it was for me.

00:35:27.000 And you guys all remember the very deep and well-thought-out Hollywood movie, Kung Fu Panda.

00:35:34.000 You guys all remember that movie, right?

00:35:37.000 It's very important in the Western canon, especially in millennial philosophical development.

00:35:42.000 Right?

00:35:43.000 Where there's this scene where, is he like a koala or something?

00:35:48.000 He's a turtle.

00:35:48.000 Turtle.

00:35:49.000 It shows how recently I've watched it.

00:35:51.000 And he's kind of like the Yoda figure, right?

00:35:54.000 The archetype in kind of Jung's hierarchy of he's the conveyor of wisdom, right?

00:35:58.000 Kind of a Gandalf figure, a Dumbledore figure, right?

00:36:01.000 He's saying things that are true that end up being really true later in the series.

00:36:05.000 And so he's kind of the person that corrects the hero on his journey.

00:36:08.000 And he says something that many young people believe, including myself, because I never thought deeply about it, where he says, do not worry about tomorrow or yesterday.

00:36:16.000 Worry about the present because today is a gift.

00:36:19.000 I paraphrased it correctly.

00:36:20.000 And you've heard this before, right?

00:36:21.000 That life is a gift.

00:36:23.000 Life is a gift.

00:36:24.000 And so David, you know, kind of in his amazing way, when we were having dinner once out of nowhere, hey, Charlie, by the way, life's not a gift.

00:36:31.000 What?

00:36:32.000 David, explain.

00:36:34.000 So, you know, it's so funny because there's a joke and I'm going to get it wrong, but these two young fish walk up to this old fish and the fish, the old fish is like, he gives them a piece of wisdom.

00:36:47.000 And he's like, when you guys are older, you'll understand, you know, the different temperatures of the water.

00:36:51.000 And the one young fish turns to his buddy and says, what the heck is water?

00:36:55.000 Right?

00:36:57.000 Because you don't know what you're swimming in.

00:36:59.000 You don't know the ideas and the culture that you're living in because we're so inundated with this idea.

00:37:05.000 Do you know this?

00:37:06.000 There is not one scripture in the entire Bible that says life is a gift, not one single scripture.

00:37:13.000 Christ is a gift.

00:37:16.000 Salvation is a gift.

00:37:18.000 The grace of God is a gift.

00:37:21.000 But life actually comes with specific obligations.

00:37:26.000 God gives them to you.

00:37:27.000 And then he says, I'm giving you these things, talents, units of life.

00:37:32.000 What will you do with them?

00:37:34.000 Like the guy that buries them, remember, it doesn't go well for him because it's not just a gift.

00:37:39.000 If my dad just says, hey, David, you know, listen, here's a trombone.

00:37:44.000 And I'm like, thanks, Dad.

00:37:45.000 Love it.

00:37:46.000 I'm going to polish it.

00:37:46.000 I'll keep it on the mantle because I love you.

00:37:49.000 But I'm not playing a trombone.

00:37:50.000 I don't want to do it.

00:37:51.000 You know, that's fine.

00:37:52.000 It doesn't matter.

00:37:53.000 It's a gift.

00:37:54.000 I can treat it however I want to.

00:37:56.000 But an investment comes with specific obligations.

00:38:00.000 And God invests into us life.

00:38:05.000 In Genesis, that's God breathes into man and breath, the life of God comes into man.

00:38:12.000 And then God says to mankind, these are the things I want you to do.

00:38:16.000 He doesn't say do whatever you want.

00:38:18.000 I'll see you in a couple, in 120.

00:38:21.000 He doesn't say that.

00:38:22.000 But we live life even as Christians, believing that I can do whatever I want to do as long as I don't sin that much.

00:38:30.000 But that's not what God says ever in the story anywhere.

00:38:33.000 He's saying there's a kingdom that I want you to see.

00:38:37.000 I want to see you bring to earth to bring dominion to save the nation that I've given you.

00:38:43.000 You know, in Romans chapter 9, Paul says this.

00:38:46.000 He says, I would give my salvation, my eternal salvation for my nation, for my race, for those of my own blood.

00:38:58.000 Do you know the Bible teaches us to love our nation that much that we would have such a broken heart for our home that we would say, God, I would give my own salvation for America.

00:39:10.000 I would give my own salvation for the people that you've given me that are mine.

00:39:15.000 All of these things are obligation that God places upon us.

00:39:19.000 Now, because we're Christians, we have grace in Christ Jesus, which is the greatest gift of all time.

00:39:24.000 And that's clearly stated in the book.

00:39:27.000 But we live in a church culture that's mostly forgotten the obligations and mostly talks about the gift.

00:39:33.000 And this really came home to me where, can someone tell me everything they got for Christmas five years ago?

00:39:40.000 No, you forget birthday gifts, Christmas gifts really quickly.

00:39:43.000 Things that don't come with strings, you don't take seriously.

00:39:46.000 You don't.

00:39:46.000 I couldn't remember what I got for Christmas even like a year and a half ago, right?

00:39:50.000 But those of you that have ever had someone do the following, counsel you, invest in your business, sit down and help you in a time of struggle and say, I will do this if you do that.

00:40:01.000 You'll never forget that.

00:40:03.000 That's the difference between a gift and an investment.

00:40:05.000 Now, some of it might be semantics, right?

00:40:07.000 You're like, okay, Charlie, you're talking on the edges.

00:40:09.000 But is it, right?

00:40:10.000 When we talk about the root cause of it, it's that, no, no.

00:40:13.000 God breathed life into you and he says, I want you to multiply.

00:40:17.000 I want you to spread the gospel to all nations.

00:40:20.000 I want you to obey my commands.

00:40:22.000 It's not like, hey, here it is.

00:40:23.000 Go have a nice time.

00:40:24.000 See you later.

00:40:25.000 And that's a completely different dynamic than I think a lot of churches or pastors.

00:40:30.000 I think I will say, David, most pastors, if they talk about this, it's unknowingly, right?

00:40:34.000 They might like, it's not always that way.

00:40:36.000 Okay, the other super controversial topic, Dave, is sexual anarchy.

00:40:41.000 What is that?

00:40:43.000 Don't do it.

00:40:44.000 Let's start there.

00:40:46.000 So anarchy is defined as basically doing whatever you want.

00:40:50.000 Whatever set of rules or obligations there are, I throw them all, throw them away.

00:40:54.000 I can do whatever I want.

00:40:56.000 In Matthew chapter 19, Jesus establishes a three-part system for human sexuality union joining.

00:41:04.000 He says, in the beginning, he made them male and female.

00:41:07.000 That's part one, right?

00:41:08.000 The second, he said, it's like we need to clap for that these days, right?

00:41:12.000 No, seriously.

00:41:14.000 Two gender.

00:41:15.000 Yeah.

00:41:15.000 What?

00:41:16.000 Getting offensive already.

00:41:18.000 The second, he said that he joined this couple in union, sexual union, right?

00:41:28.000 That's the coming together of one flesh.

00:41:30.000 And thirdly, that this was a permanent relationship, right?

00:41:33.000 Do we all agree there?

00:41:35.000 It's very basic, super simple.

00:41:37.000 God's super, he's easy, right?

00:41:39.000 He gives us easy rules.

00:41:41.000 Sexual anarchy, and we've done this as a nation, we've thrown off the rules in reverse order.

00:41:47.000 I don't know if you know this, but in the early 1990s, when no fault divorce came to California, within two or three years, the divorce rate increased.

00:41:54.000 I think it was seven or eight times.

00:41:57.000 Seven or eight times more young boys and girls didn't have a dad at home or didn't have a mom at home.

00:42:04.000 So we said as a nation, there doesn't have to be an affair.

00:42:07.000 There doesn't have to be some kind of horrific thing.

00:42:09.000 If you just feel like it, just throw this thing out.

00:42:12.000 Throw this permanent thing, throw it in the garbage.

00:42:14.000 That was the first step into this foray of anarchy where we say, God, your order.

00:42:19.000 Nah.

00:42:21.000 And the church doesn't really talk about divorce that much.

00:42:23.000 They're like, you know, you know, hopefully you'll work it out.

00:42:25.000 You'll blah, blah, blah.

00:42:26.000 Jesus, you know, Malachi says that if a man divorces his wife, he wears a cloak as a violence to the Lord his God.

00:42:34.000 You're like, no, it's just, I'm trying to work out my life.

00:42:36.000 No, there's an order to the universe.

00:42:39.000 Listen, the first thing is this commitment.

00:42:42.000 We throw the commitment thing out and then we're like, you know, does it really need to be a man and a male and female in sexual unity?

00:42:48.000 Does it really need to be that?

00:42:50.000 And since at least Obama, we've kind of thrown that out culturally, right?

00:42:54.000 We're like, you can do whatever you want.

00:42:55.000 We don't care.

00:42:56.000 We'll keep identity, though.

00:42:58.000 We'll hold on to our identity.

00:43:00.000 And then the third thing that Jesus says first, that I made them male and female, that now is destroyed in our culture.

00:43:07.000 I don't even know if I'm a boy or a girl.

00:43:10.000 Apple has pregnant men emojis.

00:43:12.000 Yeah, and that's the thing.

00:43:12.000 Real thing.

00:43:13.000 Your kids and grandkids are exposed to.

00:43:15.000 And it is hate speech at Google and many college campuses that say only women can become pregnant.

00:43:21.000 So when I was a little boy, my dad used to say, David, wouldn't it be a horrible thing if you didn't know if you were a boy or a girl?

00:43:28.000 Now, my dad wasn't thinking in 25 years or 30 years or 40 years, there's going to be a transgender thing and I'm inculcating my child.

00:43:35.000 He was literally saying, wouldn't it be awful to be so lost, to be so without identity that you don't even know if you're a boy or a girl?

00:43:43.000 That is the culture we're living in because we've thrown off God's moral order.

00:43:48.000 And when we sin in sexuality, listen, sexuality is about creating identities.

00:43:53.000 So when we break the gift about creating identities, our own identity ultimately is destroyed.

00:44:01.000 And I say, I don't even know if I'm a boy or a girl anymore.

00:44:04.000 And it doesn't stop there.

00:44:05.000 I mean, recent revelations out of California, an alarming lawsuit, a mother who is suing a group of teachers for actually recruiting her daughter into becoming a transgender, right?

00:44:17.000 With some very, very specific allegations in the lawsuit.

00:44:20.000 And the teachers have admitted this in private closed-door sessions in the California teacher union.

00:44:25.000 So this is a very interesting point, right?

00:44:27.000 Where it starts with the, and this is kind of where liberalism, not leftism, two totally different things, at times can all of a sudden reach a very troubling kind of chapter, if you will.

00:44:39.000 The last chapter in liberalism is authoritarianism.

00:44:42.000 And so liberalism is always like, hey, there's these groups of people.

00:44:46.000 They're really downtrodden.

00:44:47.000 We need to give them rights.

00:44:48.000 We need to give them privileges.

00:44:49.000 We need to give them status and acceptance because they've been, you know, treated terribly.

00:44:54.000 Now, sometimes those liberal groups are right.

00:44:56.000 Let me be clear.

00:44:57.000 You know, small L-liberal groups of women's suffrage or the anti-slavery movement, that those were legitimate concerns.

00:45:04.000 But almost always it goes from there.

00:45:05.000 And the activists, they don't stop.

00:45:07.000 They see they're making progress to the inevitable last chapter, which is like, okay, so we got the Vanity Fair thing and you all call Bruce Jenner Caitlin Jenner now.

00:45:15.000 Cool.

00:45:16.000 Okay, phase one.

00:45:17.000 Phase two, we're now going to have chemical castration and sexual reassignment surgery paid for by taxpayers without parental consent for 12, 13-year-olds in California and Oregon.

00:45:27.000 That's the law of the land in Oregon.

00:45:29.000 It's about to be in California, right?

00:45:30.000 That's phase two.

00:45:32.000 But then it's like, okay, we got that into law of the books.

00:45:34.000 That's not enough.

00:45:35.000 Now we need to train our activists to create more transgender people.

00:45:40.000 And so you call it the slippery slope, call whatever you want.

00:45:43.000 I just kind of call it the devolving kind of chapters of liberalism.

00:45:47.000 And this is a very dangerous thing.

00:45:49.000 Absent God's law and morality and restraints, if you focus on always just trying to break people of the shackles that allegedly exist and largely they're overly inflated, you know, issues that, especially in today's America, almost immediately that will turn into a revenge campaign and a recruitment campaign.

00:46:08.000 And you might say, oh, Charlie, come on, you're over exaggerating.

00:46:10.000 Arizona Christian University came out with a study right down the street, great, great school, that 40% of young people ages 16 to 22 are gay, bisexual, or transgender.

00:46:24.000 Okay, 40%.

00:46:26.000 Now, you might think you don't believe it.

00:46:28.000 I didn't at first, okay?

00:46:29.000 I said this on our national radio program.

00:46:31.000 I said this on our podcast.

00:46:32.000 I said, I don't believe these numbers.

00:46:34.000 No way, not happening.

00:46:35.000 I got hundreds of emails of parents saying, Charlie, 16 out of 22, like 16 out of 20 of the kids in my daughter's class are either lesbian, gay, or bisexual.

00:46:44.000 It's like a trendy thing now, right?

00:46:46.000 It's almost like a thing that you almost get a social kind of currency with, right?

00:46:52.000 And so, and some people say, well, Charlie, what's so wrong with that?

00:46:55.000 Look, I'm not going to get too deep into it.

00:46:57.000 I'll let the pastor, your civilization literally can't continue, okay?

00:47:01.000 Like, I don't have to overthink this, but you literally can't replicate.

00:47:05.000 Okay.

00:47:07.000 So don't have to really think too deeply about that one.

00:47:10.000 Just to tag along, Charlie, part of that sexual anarchy chapter, I go through Sodom and Gomorrah.

00:47:18.000 Often preached about topic on Sunday morning.

00:47:22.000 I was preaching through the life of Abraham, and I was doing verse by verse, and I ended up spending three weeks in Sodom and Gomorrah, and I discovered a couple of things.

00:47:30.000 One of the things is those cities, if you match the name of the city with the king of that city, Sodom, it means place of burning.

00:47:39.000 And Gomorrah essentially means place of drowning.

00:47:43.000 So you have the king that his name means son of evil, and the other king's name means destruction.

00:47:49.000 But there are two pictorial symbols here.

00:47:52.000 One is burning, scorching, right?

00:47:56.000 The other is drowning.

00:47:58.000 And they are two natural gifts outside of the bounds of blessing.

00:48:05.000 How many people know that a river, when it's inside the riverbed, is amazing, right?

00:48:09.000 We fish, take our kids down to the water.

00:48:11.000 It's a great time.

00:48:12.000 How many know when the flood comes to our door?

00:48:15.000 It's horrific.

00:48:16.000 It's a horror.

00:48:17.000 The same thing with a fire.

00:48:19.000 And a fire is incredible.

00:48:21.000 And we sit there with our kids and we get warmed by it.

00:48:23.000 But if you take that fire and you say, you know what, I don't need restraints.

00:48:27.000 This is a stupid idea.

00:48:28.000 Fireplace, they're so dumb, right?

00:48:30.000 They're so archaic.

00:48:32.000 When you take the fire and you place it on the floor of the living room, we all die.

00:48:38.000 All of us die.

00:48:40.000 And the picture of Sodom and Gomorrah is the natural gift of sexuality outside of the bounds of constraint, which create blessing, and it consumes an entire society.

00:48:50.000 And we are in the midst of that consuming right now.

00:48:54.000 And the only thing we can do is call on Jesus and offer this thing that says, God has this incredible beauty.

00:49:00.000 He initiated us in this garden, this paradise.

00:49:03.000 That's what he has for us.

00:49:05.000 And this other lie is something that will consume us.

00:49:08.000 And don't let the blessing become a curse by letting it go outside of the borders and boundaries that God gave it.

00:49:15.000 Amen.

00:49:16.000 Let's start lining up for some questions.

00:49:18.000 But I told you you would love David.

00:49:19.000 I mean, he is.

00:49:20.000 He's really special.

00:49:21.000 And just to kind of piggyback off that point, David, which is you'll know it by the fruit, right?

00:49:28.000 It's the most suicidal, medicated, alcohol-addicted, despondent generation in history.

00:49:35.000 It's also the most sexually promiscuous, least moral guardrails in history.

00:49:40.000 And one would think that there might be a connection between the two of them.

00:49:44.000 So we'll take questions in these two areas.

00:49:46.000 Just raise your hands, guys.

00:49:47.000 Also, again, Good Kills by David Enkelhart.

00:49:50.000 All of you guys watching online, you guys can check it out, Amazon, Barnes, and Noble.

00:49:53.000 Matt, do we have a station out there with these?

00:49:56.000 Is that right?

00:49:57.000 Any $1, $10, $100, whatever you guys want to give to Turning Point USA, no pressure.

00:50:02.000 Just chip in free copy of the book.

00:50:04.000 I guess not free if you're getting money, but it's awfully affordable, right?

00:50:09.000 Whatever your means allow you to do.

00:50:12.000 I really want you guys to be able to do this.

00:50:13.000 And if you're a student, we won't haggle you too hard.

00:50:15.000 We'll probably just give you a copy anyway.

00:50:16.000 So, all right, we'll start over here and let's try to do students or young people first, and then we'll get through the line.

00:50:23.000 So.

00:50:25.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:50:27.000 You guys just talked a lot about identity, right?

00:50:30.000 And how that can honestly destroy an entire nation.

00:50:36.000 How much do you think identity matters, especially in the time that we're living in?

00:50:42.000 Yeah.

00:50:43.000 So, David, I'll let you take it, but it depends on identity and what?

00:50:47.000 The only identity that matters to us is identity in Christ, right?

00:50:50.000 And that's the identity that does matter and should always matter.

00:50:53.000 It says very clearly, Paul wrote, neither slave nor Greek nor Jew.

00:50:56.000 We are all one, free in Jesus Christ.

00:50:58.000 It says in 1 Samuel that God does not look at the outside.

00:51:01.000 He looks at the heart.

00:51:02.000 He looks at the things that are inside.

00:51:04.000 He cares much more about the things that can't be seen than the things that can be seen.

00:51:09.000 I'll be very honest.

00:51:10.000 Identity politics and tribalism disgusts me.

00:51:13.000 Now, this is an interesting thing.

00:51:15.000 So, where in America is America, where in America are we most racially divided?

00:51:21.000 The answer is very clear.

00:51:23.000 It's prisons, right?

00:51:25.000 So, we never really think very deeply about this, right?

00:51:27.000 So, the place that you're most afraid, and you have no stuff, and there's no commerce, and there's really no speech, and it's most totalitarian, that's where you're most racially divided.

00:51:39.000 Think about that.

00:51:40.000 I mean, if you go to a prison, it's like the whites are over there, the Mexicans are there, the blacks are there, and there's very little commingling at all.

00:51:47.000 And why is that?

00:51:48.000 Well, it's because it's very basic.

00:51:49.000 It's like, yeah, we're going to try to survive in the wild.

00:51:54.000 And we take this for granted, right?

00:51:56.000 And so, when you go into the prison, it's like, as long as you look like me and you're willing to pledge some sort of allegiance, I'll protect you.

00:52:01.000 So, you think about it, you're like, okay, so they're trying to re-tribalize us into a state of perpetual fear and control on authoritarianism.

00:52:10.000 You can learn a lot by studying the American prison population, like a lot.

00:52:13.000 You could learn about human incentives.

00:52:15.000 You could learn about fear-based control.

00:52:17.000 And so, that's what I'm afraid that they're trying to do with identity politics, that they're trying to re-tribalize us, that actually God breaks us free of what we were like in the wild, which is only associating with people that look like us.

00:52:31.000 Only through the teachings of Christ do we care about what happens inside, not outside.

00:52:35.000 And I believe that as we look at our country right now, you know, the promise of the gospel is the only thing that will quote unquote racially unify the country.

00:52:47.000 And it seems as if that's the one thing they conveniently want to destroy and ignore.

00:52:50.000 Yeah, I would add to that.

00:52:53.000 The whole book of Galatians is about identity in Christ.

00:52:55.000 The Judaizers were coming and they were saying, look, you've got to base your identity on certain actions, certain kind of political genuflections, essentially, but Christ unifies us.

00:53:05.000 I would say the other thing about unity or identity that's interesting is Jesus says that honoring your mother and father is super, super important.

00:53:13.000 And we live in a culture that hates not only father and mother, but hates nation, right?

00:53:18.000 The nation hating, the term Meraka, I just, it makes me cringe because like in the term is like, I hate this place.

00:53:25.000 It's, it's, it's despicable, right?

00:53:27.000 It's despisable.

00:53:29.000 Something connected with loving mother and father and loving nation, because loving mother and father, because they gave us life and we have this incredible environment that we should honor and bless.

00:53:38.000 And the same thing that then goes upstream to nation, that we're identified with mother and father and nation, this incredible environment that God gave us that we're called to honor and bless.

00:53:48.000 Yeah, the only commandment that comes with a promise and mentions your country is honor your mother and father.

00:53:53.000 It's the only commandment that comes with a very specific promise and involves your nation, which is honor your mother and father so that you may live long in the land of which you are in.

00:54:03.000 So it incorporates those two things.

00:54:04.000 No other commandment touches on those things.

00:54:06.000 Okay, thank you so much.

00:54:07.000 Next question.

00:54:09.000 My name is Micah, and I have two questions.

00:54:13.000 One, what do you do with a friend who believes in not like you said before, the like devil worshiping thing, but like witchcraft and like different Harry Potters stuff like that.

00:54:29.000 How old are you?

00:54:31.000 I am 10, soon to be 11.

00:54:33.000 Well, I want to just, you know, give you a round of applause for coming in front of this many people.

00:54:38.000 It's awesome.

00:54:39.000 David, you would be better equipped with this.

00:54:42.000 I'll be honest, flee from that, especially at a young age.

00:54:46.000 Exposure for a child to witchcraft and sorcery is no joke.

00:54:51.000 You can digest an unclean spirit for many years.

00:54:54.000 I'm not trying to scare you.

00:54:55.000 I'm just being honest that when that comes up around your friends, especially the witchcraft side of it, if it's about literature and novels, I know there's mixed opinions in the church around that.

00:55:04.000 I'd be very careful, though, still.

00:55:06.000 The Bible is very explicit about the fruits of the spirit and the fruits of the anti-spirit, and sorcery is one of them.

00:55:12.000 Yeah, thank you, Micah, for the question.

00:55:14.000 I think I remember you asking a question when Eric Metaxas was here.

00:55:17.000 Did you ask a question then?

00:55:18.000 Yes, I remember you.

00:55:21.000 I think for friends, you don't have to be really careful because the Bible says that we become like those we surround ourselves with, right?

00:55:27.000 Good company corrupts bad morals.

00:55:30.000 And so you can pray for those people, but you don't want to spend a lot of time with them.

00:55:33.000 And you got to talk to mom and dad about who to spend your time and invest your time with.

00:55:37.000 Cool.

00:55:38.000 But just be careful of that stuff, especially at a young age.

00:55:41.000 And parents, I'm not trying to spook you out, but there's very explicit Bible teachings of exposing children to sorcery and witchcraft and what's called pharmakia.

00:55:49.000 That's a separate conversation.

00:55:50.000 Micah, you're a good man.

00:55:51.000 I'll be working for you one day.

00:55:52.000 God bless you, man.

00:55:53.000 So thank you.

00:55:57.000 Hello.

00:55:58.000 So, my question is: knowing how tired we are of being forced upon values by the Democrats and literal satanic religions out here, so is there a way of bringing back normative values without becoming almost a theocracy or a theological oligopoly that the pilgrims ran from, or even that was fled in like the French Revolution and back in England.

00:56:21.000 Is there a way of doing that?

00:56:23.000 That's a really good question.

00:56:24.000 The founders seem to have accomplished it for a period of time.

00:56:29.000 And what you're getting at is important, which is: so, how do you bring all these people to virtue without actually just becoming a theocracy where it's just run through the government?

00:56:37.000 You know, the founders were very clear that pluralism did not mean accepting everything all the time.

00:56:45.000 And so, there's this tension between liberty and what's called licentiousness.

00:56:49.000 I know that's a really kind of heady word.

00:56:51.000 Think of it as license, license to do everything.

00:56:53.000 That's where the root of licentiousness comes from.

00:56:56.000 And so, in the founding, in the founding, you know, colonial times, states had laws that forbade things that were forbidden for things that we would just kind of be considering like normal behavior, right?

00:57:07.000 Like public drunkenness.

00:57:08.000 Let's just use that example, right?

00:57:10.000 They said this is not a good thing for society.

00:57:12.000 Now, those truths were derived from the Bible and the scriptures.

00:57:15.000 They all said this just makes America less free.

00:57:18.000 And it makes America, the country that we want to live in, less likely to glorify God and everything we're doing.

00:57:25.000 The restoration, though, the tension is very, you know, difficult.

00:57:29.000 And we must, as a church, recognize that the salvation must come through the church while also contesting in the government for righteousness and everything we are doing.

00:57:38.000 We're far from ever becoming a theocracy in one sense, but I would argue that we're very close to becoming a theocracy in another sense: that we have a secular religion that is running our country right now.

00:57:49.000 There is no scientific, reasonable, or rational explanation for our COVID policy the last two years, except for a religion of secular science.

00:57:59.000 It's almost like an incantation, right?

00:58:01.000 Their religious ceremony is getting the vaccine.

00:58:03.000 It's like getting the Eucharist, right?

00:58:06.000 Their virtue signal, their cross that I wear is the mask.

00:58:10.000 Now, you might think I'm being a little bit kind of exaggerating here.

00:58:14.000 They have religious fervor with how they have implemented this on the American Project, biomedical fascism, whatever you want to call it.

00:58:21.000 And this is an important thing: that you get rid of organized religion like Christianity, something that imitates it will take its part, will take its part.

00:58:30.000 It just so happens it was a moment of kind of, oh, we're going to fight systemic racism, but it's, I'm always kind of really moved by studying the left.

00:58:39.000 I do it so you guys don't have to.

00:58:41.000 And I thought one of the most amazing moments in the last year is like, okay, what matters the most to them, right?

00:58:48.000 This matters more than that.

00:58:49.000 And there was a tension at certain points.

00:58:52.000 For example, what happens when Black Lives Matter, their favorite, their go-to activist groups doesn't want to get vaccinated.

00:59:00.000 Doesn't matter.

00:59:01.000 Vaccinations matter more than racial identity politics.

00:59:06.000 What matters more when Kyrie Irving, National Basketball Association player earning $26 million a year, beloved in Brooklyn, doesn't want to get vaccinated?

00:59:13.000 It doesn't matter.

00:59:14.000 You have to stay at home.

00:59:15.000 So at that moment, biomedical fascism mattered more.

00:59:18.000 Okay, well, let's use another example.

00:59:20.000 What happens when Dave Chappelle, a darling of the Hollywood left, gets a Netflix special, black man decides to insult, I would even say insult, make fun of the transgender alphabet mafia.

00:59:31.000 Oh, no, no, no, you can't do that.

00:59:33.000 Doesn't matter if you're black.

00:59:34.000 Transgenderism in this current moment matters more than racial politics.

00:59:37.000 You guys track you?

00:59:38.000 It's totally confusing.

00:59:39.000 It's intentionally supposed to be confusing, by the way.

00:59:41.000 It's like this constant reordering of hierarchies.

00:59:44.000 Now, I believe, and this is to go a little deeper, but you guys are smart, you'll get it.

00:59:48.000 The transgender movement actually matters even more than biomedical fascism, and they actually are together because the transgender movement is an introductory phase to get you to strip yourself of your humanity to mesh with machines.

01:00:00.000 It's called transhumanism.

01:00:02.000 They want you to say, okay, well, I can choose any gender.

01:00:04.000 Why can't I just have like an exoskeleton of some sort of machine around me?

01:00:08.000 This is what meta is about, the metaverse, kids staring at screens all day long.

01:00:12.000 This is documented.

01:00:13.000 This is proven.

01:00:14.000 This is where Silicon Valley is going.

01:00:15.000 This is why they're so insistent on this transgender thing because if you stop being a man, then maybe you can stop being a human being.

01:00:21.000 Maybe you can kind of just plug into some sort of machine.

01:00:24.000 This is where their control, their profit motive is coming down the stream.

01:00:27.000 There's a ton of literature about this.

01:00:29.000 I'm far from the first person to comment on it, but I'm just kind of connecting the dots for all of you.

01:00:33.000 Like, what is the agenda here?

01:00:34.000 Well, the agenda is kind of like ready player one meets inception, where you kind of just hook up to a machine all day long and you're controlled by five companies that control your thoughts and your feelings.

01:00:43.000 And the real world actually ends up being the not real world, where everyone just kind of wears goggles all day long.

01:00:49.000 That's the deeper significance of the transgender movement that no one wants to talk about.

01:00:52.000 David?

01:00:54.000 As far as theocracy goes, whenever somebody like me says, hey, God's got really great ideas about laws, people say, what about theocracy?

01:01:03.000 And they're like, we don't want you to bring morality into law.

01:01:07.000 Law, every single law, all laws on the books are moral.

01:01:12.000 Like, there's a speed limit out there.

01:01:13.000 It says 25 miles an hour.

01:01:15.000 That's a moral law because we're saying there's children here that we don't want to accidentally kill.

01:01:20.000 It's not some kind of arbitrary idea that came out of humanism and we sat down with our computers and logicked it out.

01:01:26.000 We value human life and we don't want to kill human life.

01:01:29.000 It's a moral law and almost all moral laws have religious underpinnings unless they have arbitrary underpinnings based upon humanism.

01:01:37.000 You know, this idea of the dark ages makes me crazy.

01:01:40.000 This guy, Plutarch, who's the father of humanism, called this the dark ages.

01:01:44.000 And now we all just are like, oh, yeah, that time the church ruled, that was the dark ages because a secular guy, the fathers of humanism, said it.

01:01:53.000 And then the atheistic world or the humanistic world just interprets it and says, whenever the church has a lot of influence, it's going to get really dark.

01:02:00.000 Watch out.

01:02:01.000 It's actually not historically true.

01:02:02.000 It's historically inaccurate.

01:02:04.000 Well, and it's all about the natural law.

01:02:06.000 And this is something that we all know exists.

01:02:08.000 We see it around us.

01:02:09.000 And the natural law means there's a natural lawgiver.

01:02:12.000 And we know the proper place that human beings flourish and they don't flourish.

01:02:15.000 Okay, next question.

01:02:18.000 Sorry.

01:02:19.000 Hi, Charlie.

01:02:20.000 As you know, I'm actually running for Congress in this area.

01:02:24.000 Introduce yourself, Eli.

01:02:25.000 My name is Elijah Norton.

01:02:26.000 I'm running for Congress in the first congressional district, which is this area in Scottsdale, Paradise Valley.

01:02:33.000 But I'm wondering, one of the things I hear about a lot on the campaign trail from parents is critical race theory and the introduction of it into our high schools, elementary schools, unfortunately, even middle schools.

01:02:43.000 But I know you have a lot of experience going to college campuses.

01:02:46.000 What's your experience?

01:02:48.000 How is critical race theory being integrated in a college curriculum today?

01:02:52.000 And what can we do about it as people who love America and who love all people, regardless of race, do to stop it and reverse the trend that is going on?

01:03:00.000 Okay, yeah, look, and CRT is a top issue.

01:03:03.000 And a lot of people are so confused by it.

01:03:05.000 On our podcast, I think we've done probably one of the best jobs out there of any podcast of having subject matter experts and really explaining where this comes from and where this is going.

01:03:15.000 Recent conversation, it's a 59-minute conversation, not an hour, 59-minute conversation with James Lindsay, who's the author of Race Marxism.

01:03:23.000 It's so amazing because he used to call himself an atheist.

01:03:26.000 And just this is what's so cool.

01:03:28.000 And I don't want to speak for him, but the deeper he dives into these ideas and the more churches he visits as a quote-unquote agnostic, all of a sudden he's saying, he said this on my podcast, Charlie, I'm supposed to be an atheist and CRT is literally from the devil.

01:03:42.000 There's no other way I can explain it.

01:03:43.000 It's like, whoa.

01:03:45.000 And he dives into kind of what he means by that.

01:03:47.000 He's like, it sows division, distrust, chaos, confusion, has constantly changing rules, all the things that would be someone who would be a tyrannical usurper.

01:03:55.000 Satan, Satan actually means prosecutor in the scriptures.

01:03:58.000 So look, to answer your question, CRT is not just in colleges, right?

01:04:03.000 We say often at Turning Point USA, what happens on the college campus does it not stay there?

01:04:07.000 It then goes to the halls of Congress and to corporate boardrooms.

01:04:10.000 But let me just give you some examples of how CRT is making America a much more dangerous and unpleasant place to live.

01:04:17.000 We've said some of these examples before, but in New York City, no joke, you could fact check it yourself, they are distributing monoclonal antibodies when they used to actually be able to do that.

01:04:26.000 They've now restricted the supply of that based on race, on racial preferences and racial quotas.

01:04:31.000 So for a white couple, this is, you know this, right, David?

01:04:34.000 A white person who has COVID in New York will be sent to the back of the line where a black couple will be given preferences.

01:04:42.000 There's a great article, actually, believe it or not, today, in The Atlantic of all places, Communist RAG, that talks about this today.

01:04:49.000 You can go look it up, how medical racial discrimination is ruining medicine as we know it.

01:04:55.000 But I can give you some other examples.

01:04:57.000 United Airlines says 50% of all their new pilots are going to be black pilots.

01:05:00.000 I have no problem with black pilots, but I just want to make sure that competency has always been put first and not diversity, especially when, I don't know, I'm riding in an airplane, like minor details, right?

01:05:11.000 And so it's now become policy.

01:05:14.000 This is really important.

01:05:15.000 And it will not change.

01:05:17.000 And I know this sounds super like cynical.

01:05:19.000 The only way this will change is when white liberals that have those Black Lives Matter bumper stickers on Nantucket and Malibu, when their kids start to suffer because of it.

01:05:29.000 I don't wish suffering upon them.

01:05:31.000 It's not what I want.

01:05:32.000 But until their kids stop getting into the best universities, until their kids stop getting the best jobs, and they start to actually pay the price of this stuff, it's not going to change.

01:05:40.000 The only other way it will change is when all of you start to kind of make it happen on the ground floor.

01:05:45.000 Talk a little about CRT, David.

01:05:46.000 Yeah, I mean, Charlie and I have spent a lot of time on CRT.

01:05:50.000 For me, the issue is the churches need to declare truth to people.

01:05:55.000 And in New York City, I mean, we have like 70% of the churches have a Black Lives Matter flag, a rainbow flag, flag with my face on it, and an X in the middle of it.

01:06:05.000 We have a church that's lost its way, and we have an attractional church model that refuses to say anything controversial.

01:06:12.000 It's like, it's like, just don't say anything potentially harmful because less people might come next week.

01:06:18.000 Well, Gideon's army got a little bit small before they demolished the enemy.

01:06:22.000 And so there needs to be in not just, I love the moms group.

01:06:28.000 I love all of the stuff that's happening in public schools, but pastors need to declare to the people of God, this is incredibly evil.

01:06:35.000 This is incredibly demonic.

01:06:37.000 This is dividing the people of God.

01:06:39.000 I promise you, Jesus hates CRT.

01:06:42.000 I promise you that.

01:06:43.000 Well, and to finish the point, Eli, when you're talking to people, it's a concern and it should be at a deeper level than all the practical ones because you feel as if you are now living in a retribalized society that you thought was dead and over with.

01:06:57.000 This is why a lot of 60 or 70 or 80 year old voters are so animated about CRT because they're super wise and smart.

01:07:04.000 And they're like, wait a second, like, I know where this leads.

01:07:07.000 It's South Africa.

01:07:08.000 It's retribalization.

01:07:10.000 And it's like a fire alarm for a lot of older Americans, which are like, we're passing this down?

01:07:16.000 Like, no way.

01:07:17.000 And so I think it's a top five concern for voters for sure.

01:07:21.000 You know, I would have to say like immigration, inflation, education, CRT.

01:07:26.000 And there's kind of the corruption and kind of all the issues just kind of nationally happening from the top down, I think are definitely top concerns.

01:07:33.000 But CRT is one that is increasingly unpopular with people, but they keep on putting it forward.

01:07:38.000 So thanks for your question, man.

01:07:39.000 Appreciate it.

01:07:42.000 Thank you.

01:07:43.000 Hey, Charlie and David.

01:07:45.000 I'll morph.

01:07:46.000 There's a couple of questions and some commentary.

01:07:49.000 One of the things I wanted your opinion on is I'm a Phoenix native and I've lived in North Scottsdale for 50 years.

01:07:56.000 I was in the first four-year class of chaparro.

01:08:00.000 And I'm not running for office, okay?

01:08:02.000 But I've seen a lot of change.

01:08:03.000 I do want to say, kudos to you, that I used to be kind of really involved in getting concentrated on politics, but the epiphany you brought to me was that it's at the local level and that's where the danger is.

01:08:16.000 And so I really want to thank you.

01:08:17.000 Thank you for saying that.

01:08:18.000 Absolutely.

01:08:19.000 And so I'm involved with a won't name names and stuff like that or the city.

01:08:26.000 But what I have found, and I'm curious if you have found this, that employees of a government don't actually know they're ignorant.

01:08:35.000 And we've seen, and when it comes down to property rights, which was the founders, one of the fundamental things, that they assume law and they don't know their own job and they're usurping, say, town council.

01:08:46.000 Yeah.

01:08:47.000 So look, there is that, what was that show?

01:08:50.000 Parks and Recreation, perfect depiction of local government.

01:08:54.000 Let me just put it that way.

01:08:55.000 I don't know if that's probably over a lot of people's heads.

01:08:57.000 Is that show still on?

01:08:58.000 I don't think so.

01:08:59.000 Look, so here's what's important.

01:09:02.000 And I will say there's a lot of good people that work for the government, a lot of good people, right?

01:09:05.000 I don't want to paint with too broad of a brush.

01:09:07.000 But what you're talking about is the lethal combination, and it talks about this in the Bible, right?

01:09:12.000 Of ignorance and arrogance, right?

01:09:14.000 That's all of a sudden where you got a problem.

01:09:16.000 And then you got a real problem when you got ignorance, arrogance, and power.

01:09:19.000 You're like, okay, I can't, this is exactly why the Constitution was written, right?

01:09:23.000 Ignorance, arrogance, and power.

01:09:25.000 Like, we need separation of powers, checks, and balances, way too much.

01:09:28.000 And the ultimate example of this, if you ever want to educate a child in what the Constitution was supposed to prevent, it's Anthony Fauci, right?

01:09:36.000 I mean, far from local government, but if you kind of think about it, it's like Anthony Fauci should have like plateaued and bottomed out at Dog Catcher, right?

01:09:45.000 Like it's just like Queen Creek Dog Catcher is about where...

01:09:49.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:09:50.000 And that's fine.

01:09:51.000 Like, I'm not saying you shouldn't have a job.

01:09:52.000 It's just like, that's about what he should do.

01:09:54.000 Instead, he's like, I don't know, running the public health program for the entire Western world.

01:09:59.000 And no one voted for him.

01:10:00.000 No one campaigned for him.

01:10:01.000 No one canvassed for him.

01:10:02.000 He never went into an interview process.

01:10:04.000 You never gave him power.

01:10:05.000 And all of a sudden, he's in charge.

01:10:06.000 And so, yeah, look, they talk about the great reset.

01:10:09.000 That's actually going to be a theme of one of our upcoming Freedom Nights in America, where we're going to talk all about the Great Reset, what you can do about it, what they're trying to do.

01:10:15.000 It's one of my top focuses, actually, the Great Reset Internationalist agenda.

01:10:19.000 You got to know about it.

01:10:20.000 But local is everything.

01:10:22.000 And yes, I don't, I actually, I have met so many wonderful and lovely local government employees.

01:10:29.000 And it's not even the ones that don't know what they're talking about.

01:10:31.000 It's the ones that think they do and are willing to use political power.

01:10:34.000 So thanks for being here tonight.

01:10:35.000 I appreciate it.

01:10:36.000 Thank you.

01:10:38.000 Hey, my name is Jenna.

01:10:40.000 I'm a junior in high school.

01:10:41.000 I'm 16.

01:10:42.000 And I've been doing homeschooling for like five years now.

01:10:45.000 So I wouldn't say I'm very familiar with brick and mortar schools and that kind of thing anymore.

01:10:49.000 I remember before I left for homeschooling, one thing I noticed was the culture that was created of sexuality and gender identity.

01:10:59.000 And in sixth grade, this is the year that I very much prominently noticed this.

01:11:03.000 I noticed it was everybody in their uncle was identifying as gay or bisexual or trans or non-binary or anything like that.

01:11:11.000 And I didn't fall for it, but I saw my friends falling for it.

01:11:14.000 And I saw my best friends going into this kind of thing.

01:11:17.000 And it concerned me.

01:11:18.000 But this still happens today, even five years later.

01:11:21.000 But my question for you is: how do you steer your friends in the right direction?

01:11:26.000 Try to show them that this is wrong, that they're falling for these things without coming off as off-putting or coming off as mean or rash to them.

01:11:36.000 First of all, thank you for being homeschooled, or thank your parents, wherever they are for homeschooling you.

01:11:42.000 I have three homeschool: Leon, Solomon, and Goldie are our homeschoolers in New York City.

01:11:48.000 And I understand the conflict.

01:11:51.000 Let me say this from a pastoral perspective.

01:11:54.000 And a friend of mine who has testimony says, I was a homosexual kaleptomaniac.

01:11:59.000 I just stole stuff all the time and lived in these crazy relationships in San Francisco.

01:12:04.000 And he said, and my brother said one day that he said, bro, you're in sin.

01:12:09.000 You're an enemy of God.

01:12:11.000 But lucky for you, he loves his enemies.

01:12:13.000 And he gave Jesus.

01:12:14.000 And so he said this to me: he said, David, there is no such thing as a homosexual gospel.

01:12:19.000 There's no specific kind of like phrase that you need.

01:12:23.000 Now, you know, God can give you phrases to walk through, but like, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

01:12:29.000 All of us, everyone.

01:12:31.000 And we all can turn to Jesus with the simplest kind of like, hey, you really need God in your life.

01:12:36.000 And really, all of the identity stuff, all of the social construct stuff, all of it has to be solved by people finding identity in Christ, or else we're all going to be consumed by that fire.

01:12:45.000 There's not some kind of secular brick and mortar that we can establish that's going to stop the spread of sexual anarchy right now in our society.

01:12:53.000 It's impossible.

01:12:54.000 There's never been a society in the history of the world that has gone this far with what we call sexual anarchy and has retained its society.

01:13:04.000 They all die.

01:13:05.000 So that means our hope is in Jesus.

01:13:07.000 And you know, it's incredible about the first century churches, they were birthed in Rome.

01:13:11.000 They were birthed in a society that was steeped in immorality and debauchery.

01:13:15.000 And God, by his grace, gave them a new identity and brought people out of it.

01:13:19.000 And I think you can have compassionate truth.

01:13:22.000 Those are the two words, right?

01:13:23.000 Have compassion, not empathy, which is something we didn't touch on, but sympathy, right?

01:13:28.000 Two different things.

01:13:29.000 We kept David back.

01:13:30.000 He can explain why that's not good.

01:13:32.000 But look, I deal with this a lot.

01:13:34.000 And, you know, we have listeners that reach out.

01:13:36.000 They say, hey, you know, I'm struggling with homosexuality.

01:13:39.000 I'm struggling with this.

01:13:40.000 And I just say, find a pastor, find someone that might be able to help you with these sorts of things, right?

01:13:45.000 Yeah, can I just say one more thing?

01:13:47.000 This whole idea that I'm gay, I don't know if you guys know this, essentially is an idea that's only been around for the human race in the last about a century, actually less than that, about 60 years.

01:13:59.000 No one before that had correlated or essentially synergized their identity with their sexuality.

01:14:07.000 There were people in Rome and Phoenicia and Greece that were, that behaved in all kinds of aberrant ways, but they didn't say, this is me, this is my identity.

01:14:17.000 And there's a book called The Rise of the Modern Self that you recommended to me by Carl Truman.

01:14:22.000 And he says, our culture has been kind of like gone through the washing machine of Freud that says everything about you is sexual, all of it.

01:14:30.000 Every dream you have is sexual.

01:14:32.000 Every impulse you have has a sexual starting point.

01:14:35.000 And this idea of the world being centered around me makes our identities about X thing.

01:14:41.000 But my argument is that from a Christian perspective, our identities are we're sons and daughters of God.

01:14:47.000 When we sin, we sin, but it doesn't make us a certain kind of person.

01:14:51.000 Cool.

01:14:52.000 Thank you so much.

01:14:52.000 We'll take two more here and then there.

01:14:54.000 You'll be our last one.

01:14:55.000 Okay, so we'll start here.

01:14:57.000 Yeah.

01:14:57.000 Hello.

01:14:57.000 I'm David.

01:14:58.000 I do work with the Iron Age Archive.

01:15:00.000 I have a question.

01:15:02.000 Basically, there's this idea of when we see something like transgenderism and all of that stuff, we try to go back to the time where before that very anti-Christian thing happens to where we're like, let's go back to 2014 before this.

01:15:16.000 Or let's go back to the 90s.

01:15:17.000 Let's go back to the 50s before all of this stuff.

01:15:20.000 Whereas I would make the case that a lot of this anti-Christian rhetoric has been happening since way longer, potentially even in like the early 1800s.

01:15:30.000 So how do we necessarily like take the contrast between Christianity and these modern assumptions that we have that just kind of implanted through media, implanted through just all of this philosophy that has been so anti-Christian for so long?

01:15:47.000 And there are these things that we can sort of take for granted.

01:15:50.000 This is such an important question.

01:15:51.000 And what you are articulating is the very same dilemma that was in front of the founders, which is what parts of modernity do we like and what parts of antiquity do we want to preserve?

01:16:01.000 And how do we put those together?

01:16:03.000 And so this was the challenge in front of Madison in particular, right?

01:16:07.000 Who is the father of the U.S. Constitution?

01:16:09.000 And if you don't know a lot about Madison, I think it would bless you.

01:16:13.000 He was a godly man who really prayed over writing the Constitution.

01:16:16.000 So for example, he said, look, free expression is a good thing.

01:16:19.000 Challenging power is a good fruit of the Enlightenment.

01:16:22.000 At the same time, you know, we want to make sure that we're always glorifying God's natural law, right?

01:16:29.000 That we don't forsake the natural order.

01:16:33.000 And I use that example of kind of the Satan conference, which is they would have drawn the line on that, right?

01:16:37.000 That wouldn't have been something that would be considered acceptable, you know, speech in pursuit of virtue.

01:16:42.000 And that's an important thing, that speech must be always in the pursuit of virtue.

01:16:46.000 And there are other things that were fruits of the Enlightenment that are really good things, right?

01:16:50.000 Which is the principle of consent of the governed or an independent judiciary or separation of powers.

01:16:56.000 I'll use another example that's a really good fruit of the Enlightenment, entrepreneurialism, right?

01:17:01.000 Prior to the Enlightenment, someone starting a business from nothing was kind of a concept that would be really kind of unknown.

01:17:08.000 Now we kind of have it baked into us that people all the time have been starting businesses to start.

01:17:12.000 That's a beautiful fruit of the Enlightenment, right?

01:17:14.000 That someone could have a really good idea and start a business and hire people and improve the community around them.

01:17:20.000 And so that's really the task in front of the church and the conservative movement, which is what do we preserve that we like from the Enlightenment?

01:17:26.000 And there's some things from the Enlightenment that we don't like, by the way.

01:17:29.000 For example, humanism, secularism, and subjectivity.

01:17:32.000 For example, find your own truth, figure it out yourself.

01:17:34.000 Like that's a really bad thing that came out of the Enlightenment.

01:17:37.000 And we should be unafraid to say that.

01:17:39.000 And so there's a lot of books written about this.

01:17:41.000 There's one I would recommend.

01:17:42.000 He talks about this in a variety of different ways called Age of Entitlement by Christopher Caldwell.

01:17:46.000 Probably the best book written in the last two years.

01:17:48.000 I encourage you to check it out.

01:17:49.000 Thank you so much.

01:17:50.000 You'll be our last question.

01:17:50.000 All right.

01:17:51.000 How's it going, Charlie?

01:17:53.000 I appreciate your time.

01:17:53.000 Pastor.

01:17:55.000 With the mass hysteria around COVID not really aligning with the data, what do you think the real heart behind the vaccine push is with numbers pretty much for the longest saying that it was a 99% survival rate?

01:18:09.000 Do you think that it is just fear on the left, or do you think it's something more cynical?

01:18:13.000 You know, I think it's a mixture of both.

01:18:15.000 I think it's induced fear.

01:18:16.000 Great question.

01:18:17.000 Thank you.

01:18:17.000 It's induced fear, but also I think it's a dry rehearsal.

01:18:21.000 I really do.

01:18:22.000 I think they want to try to destroy bodily autonomy, individual agency, and they want to try to blur the line between your own ability to make choices and the state mandating it.

01:18:32.000 Whatever they might want to do next, I think this was a trial run.

01:18:35.000 And I think they've actually been somewhat disappointed at how many hiccups and speed bumps.

01:18:39.000 The last one shows, and again, I'm not making a statement on the F, if you got vaccinated, I'm not trying to say this.

01:18:44.000 I'm just saying, though, that the fact that 37% of Americans, after all this propaganda, have still decided not to get vaccinated, I think that really surprises a lot of people in charge.

01:18:53.000 I really do.

01:18:54.000 And I think they're like, wow, that's kind of stunning me.

01:18:57.000 And again, I'm not, if you got the vaccine, I'm not saying you made the wrong decision.

01:19:00.000 That's not my position.

01:19:01.000 I'm just saying that's pretty unique.

01:19:03.000 So in my opinion, or it's unprecedented, I should say, in my opinion, they were trying to condition us.

01:19:08.000 They were trying to get us into a posture where all of a sudden we accept the moving of the Overton window, right?

01:19:17.000 So the Overton window is what my next book is going to be about, two books from now.

01:19:22.000 I'll explain that later, which I think is the most important thing that happens in America that no one talks about.

01:19:27.000 John Overton, I think that was his first name, right, Connor?

01:19:29.000 John?

01:19:29.000 Yeah.

01:19:30.000 He worked for the Mackinac Institute in Michigan.

01:19:32.000 He came up.

01:19:33.000 He was a political theorist.

01:19:34.000 He said, hey, everything in America moves on a spectrum of things that we would once considered to be unthinkable, eventually to public policy.

01:19:41.000 And these things move back and forth, and it's a continuum.

01:19:44.000 It's the most important continuum, not right versus left, but the continuum of unthinkable to public policy.

01:19:50.000 And there's other intermediary steps, right?

01:19:52.000 Unthinkable to radical to all entertainment to acceptable to popular to policy, right?

01:19:58.000 And so you think about like defund the police, right?

01:20:01.000 Like 30 years ago, that's an unthinkable idea.

01:20:03.000 Now it's policy, right?

01:20:04.000 Chemical castration of children without their parents' permission.

01:20:07.000 Unthinkable.

01:20:08.000 Now it's policy.

01:20:09.000 Mandating people without their consent, unthinkable.

01:20:12.000 They wanted to move the window, right?

01:20:14.000 For whatever they might have planned next.

01:20:16.000 And if you study the Great Reset, you study what they have coming next, it makes perfect sense, right?

01:20:20.000 The Great Reset is no borders, no bodily autonomy.

01:20:23.000 You own nothing, no private property.

01:20:25.000 We're going to be in control of your decisions, all these sorts of things.

01:20:28.000 But I will say, they failed.

01:20:30.000 They're backing off.

01:20:32.000 The mandates are ending.

01:20:34.000 It was a big win for the citizens.

01:20:36.000 David.

01:20:38.000 I don't know why.

01:20:40.000 I mean, certainly, Charlie and I have talked a lot about this.

01:20:44.000 I think people in their conscious mind walk through life believing they're doing good for other people.

01:20:51.000 And subconsciously, they know they're getting certain gains and at the sake of other people or rights.

01:20:56.000 That's totally fine.

01:20:57.000 If I'm Bill Gates, I'm going to help the whole world by enslaving them.

01:21:01.000 He's moving forward with an idea that he's going to help the entire world, right?

01:21:04.000 And so that was the lie from the Garden of Eden.

01:21:07.000 You're empowered if you do this thing.

01:21:10.000 But ultimately, that subjection to the lie doesn't empower you.

01:21:14.000 It disempowers you and it enslaves you to sin.

01:21:17.000 And so that's why truth is so essential.

01:21:19.000 And that's why Americans need to continue to, you know, I mean this, prop up voices like Charlie that are truth voices because we need truth in order to apply the Christian moral ethic and even just a rational moral ethic.

01:21:34.000 Yeah, the last thing I'll say on this, the first line of Aristotle's ethics, which is one of the great ethics books ever written, is that all human behavior points at some good.

01:21:42.000 That's a weird thing to say, isn't it?

01:21:43.000 Now, you have to take out the sociopathic or the clinically insane.

01:21:48.000 But yeah, Joseph Stalin thought he was doing the right thing.

01:21:51.000 More evil has been done in the name of good.

01:21:53.000 And it says in scriptures in Isaiah, woe to you who call good evil and evil good.

01:21:57.000 And so look, Klaus Schwab and George Shoros, they think they're doing the good thing.

01:22:01.000 They think they are doing you a favor by mandating vaccines and opening your borders and hiring DAs that don't enforce crimes.

01:22:07.000 They've convinced themselves that is the angelic and the correct thing for you to do.

01:22:11.000 And isn't it then the most important thing?

01:22:13.000 Well, what is good?

01:22:14.000 Well, thankfully, we have the Bible and God to tell us what is good.

01:22:17.000 So God bless you, man.

01:22:18.000 Thank you so much.

01:22:19.000 Give it up, everybody, again, for David Engelhart.

01:22:22.000 We will see you guys next month.

01:22:23.000 God bless you guys.

01:22:24.000 Thank you so much.

01:22:29.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

01:22:31.000 You can email me directly, freedom at charliekirk.com or get involved with turningpointusa at tpusa.com.

01:22:37.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

01:22:38.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - February 06, 2022

‘Good Kills’ with Pastor David Engelhardt—LIVE from Dream City Church

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