The Charlie Kirk Show - Graham Platner, Democrat Standardbearer

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00:01:17.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:19.000 It's Monday, June 1st, which you know, of course, means Heterosexual Awareness Month.

00:01:25.000 Heterosexual Awareness Month. 0.67

00:01:26.000 Has begun.

00:01:28.000 We will hopefully not have to get into that.

00:01:31.000 I've seen that the MLB has already stepped in it.

00:01:33.000 So we might have to cover this in some.

00:01:36.000 Detail at some point, but I am holding out hope that we have returned to our senses.

00:01:40.000 The golden year is upon us for June being reclaimed by sane people, but we will see.

00:01:45.000 All right.

00:01:46.000 We also have the hearing in the Tyler Robinson case that has just begun in Utah.

00:01:53.000 We are monitoring that.

00:01:54.000 We have the feed live.

00:01:55.000 We're looking for decisions from Judge Graff on basically two main things.

00:02:01.000 One, will one of the members of the prosecution be held in contempt?

00:02:06.000 He, as you might remember, made some comments very.

00:02:10.000 Subtle comments.

00:02:11.000 They weren't, he wasn't being bombastic in any way, shape, or form.

00:02:14.000 But following that Daily Mail headline that we made much noise about on this show, saying the bullet didn't match the gun, that was fake news clickbait.

00:02:23.000 And they made a comment, this prosecutor made a comment to the media clarifying the record.

00:02:28.000 He has, the defense wants him held in contempt.

00:02:31.000 The judge is going to make a decision on that today.

00:02:33.000 Secondly, there are some issues involving video, whether the media will have access to the video.

00:02:39.000 Now, they already ruled that the trial itself, Will have cameras.

00:02:43.000 Yes.

00:02:44.000 This is specifically on the preliminary hearing, which we've had a year of song and dance about getting to the preliminary hearing.

00:02:50.000 And there's essentially two main videos that are in question that are of the incident.

00:02:55.000 I'm told the prosecution gave a bit of a lukewarm defense of these videos apparently are already public.

00:03:05.000 I feel mixed.

00:03:07.000 I don't want any blocking of any media access to anything.

00:03:10.000 But on the one hand, this is, to Blake's point, in the preliminary hearing, these are.

00:03:15.000 Videos of the incident.

00:03:16.000 I don't want to see those.

00:03:17.000 I don't think it is edifying in any way to sort of re show those videos.

00:03:23.000 So the possibility would be would the media cameras be able to be locked on Judge Graff as opposed to showing the videos themselves?

00:03:31.000 And I guess you would just see his reaction to watching the videos.

00:03:35.000 And there's a couple other videos that are less noteworthy that are in question with that ruling.

00:03:39.000 So you might get a split ruling where he allows some of them to be covered by the media, some of them not to.

00:03:45.000 Again, these are videos that are in the public domain already.

00:03:49.000 And anyway, so we're, we're, oh, we have news.

00:03:53.000 They found this prosecutor in contempt.

00:03:58.000 I don't believe that that will mean that he'll be removed from the case, but he has been found in contempt for violating said gag order.

00:04:05.000 And so we'll get that clip in just a second to see if we can get details on that.

00:04:10.000 So hang tight right there.

00:04:12.000 More coming.

00:04:13.000 We're going to have details in just a second.

00:04:16.000 So that's the first breaking held in contempt.

00:04:19.000 We're getting those clips right now.

00:04:21.000 So lots happening today.

00:04:24.000 Obviously, there's Iran and then there's Platner.

00:04:26.000 There's Delaney Hall.

00:04:28.000 We're going to have Rachel Campos Duffy join us at the half hour here.

00:04:32.000 She's got a great new book out about celebrating America's 250th.

00:04:35.000 Erica Kirk wrote the foreword, so we want to celebrate that book.

00:04:38.000 It's apparently flying off the shelves, doing very well.

00:04:41.000 And we're going to talk about some other things.

00:04:42.000 Delaney Hall, we've got our front lines, TPUSA front lines journalists that have been covering it all weekend joining us.

00:04:49.000 Tell us their first hand experience.

00:04:50.000 She's a lot of fun.

00:04:51.000 Tell them what Delaney Hall is.

00:04:52.000 This is an ice facility in New Jersey.

00:04:54.000 It's become one of the latest things that the left has one of those long running sieges of fascination with.

00:05:01.000 It's one of those things about the left.

00:05:02.000 They can fixate on something, have.

00:05:05.000 Kind of jobless goons show up from around the country and just permanently fixate on it in a way that the right doesn't really do for things.

00:05:13.000 Well, they've got foot soldiers, it's one of their biggest strategic assets.

00:05:16.000 Yeah, they've got foot soldiers, and there is complaints about the food and you know, all this kind of stuff.

00:05:22.000 By the way, they did publish a menu that is available for detainees at the ICE facility, and it's like omelets, fajitas.

00:05:31.000 It's so ridiculous, and you just know that they have their way in.

00:05:36.000 Five years, ten years, really for decades on end, they'll turn this into some sort of all timer atrocity. 0.91

00:05:44.000 It'll be, it'll be like, it'll be, it'll literally be like Auschwitz and then Delaney Hall. 0.53

00:05:50.000 That's the mythology they want to create.

00:05:52.000 A lot of the left's ideology is endlessly attempting, frankly, endlessly attempting to recreate the Nazis.

00:05:58.000 Everything they have no morality other than fighting Nazis, they have no moral conceptions other than make sure World War II and the Holocaust doesn't happen again.

00:06:08.000 It's a very Childish and immature morality, but it's one that they've gotten a lot of mileage out of. 0.54

00:06:14.000 Well, and so while we're sort of waiting for those clips from the hearing, we are going to be talking a little bit about Graham Platner because this race I don't believe we've given enough attention to.

00:06:27.000 But he's, of course, running to be the next senator from the state of Maine.

00:06:31.000 He's going up against Susan Collins, who is, yeah, she's a Republican, she's a moderate, she votes with us, votes against us.

00:06:38.000 But in Charlie's words, we always graded.

00:06:40.000 Susan Collins on a scale, on a sliding scale, because she was always there when we needed her.

00:06:46.000 Whether that be justices, judges, there's a lot of vote trading that goes on.

00:06:50.000 And if that makes her electable in the state of Maine, a blue state where we're not going to get anybody better, I'm here for it.

00:06:55.000 We lay off Susan Collins, even though it can be frustrating at times.

00:06:59.000 But the big news over the weekend was that Graham Plattner, this guy who used to have a Nazi tattoo on his chest, he got it removed.

00:07:05.000 He said he didn't know what it was.

00:07:06.000 He didn't even remove it, he had covered it up.

00:07:09.000 And then he's also made comments about military vets, Purple Heart.

00:07:14.000 Saying they didn't deserve to live. 0.99

00:07:16.000 The guy's a total creep and a scumbag in basically every conceivable way, but he's kind of going the John Fetterman route where he doesn't wear a suit and tie. 0.99

00:07:24.000 He just wears like a sweatshirt. 0.99

00:07:25.000 He's an oyster farmer.

00:07:26.000 He's one of us.

00:07:27.000 He's one of the man of the people.

00:07:28.000 But it's worse than that. 1.00

00:07:31.000 He's actually just a scumbag. 1.00

00:07:32.000 He's a really nasty guy that, you know, that essentially every form of degeneracy you can imagine he's engaging in, right? 0.99

00:07:40.000 So now we find out that he's got profiles on these really salacious.

00:07:45.000 Dating apps.

00:07:45.000 We'll call them dating apps to be generous, but some have accused this specific app called the Kick App to be essentially a sexual exploitation app.

00:07:53.000 He's quoted as saying he's got really loose morals when it comes to this type of thing.

00:07:58.000 He's very flexible about it, but he is married.

00:08:01.000 And what's interesting now is that his wife, this has become a big controversy, but his wife has now come out and basically defended him.

00:08:09.000 So we'll give her her due.

00:08:11.000 Sop 30.

00:08:12.000 I find it really shameful that there's a group of media outlets and people who are willing to spread gossip.

00:08:24.000 Instead of talking about real issues that Graham is running on, I just really wanted to make sure that everyone knows that Graham and I have a great marriage.

00:08:42.000 Being married is hard.

00:08:43.000 Our marriage counselor helps, my personal counselor helps, Graham's personal counselor helps, and we work on our mental health every day.

00:08:58.000 No marriage is perfect. 0.83

00:09:00.000 So when there are news articles about our marriage, it's just extra shitty. 0.89

00:09:05.000 What? 0.94

00:09:05.000 That's just absolutely wacky. 0.94

00:09:07.000 Just so you know, there's not one counselor that's dealing with their mental health.

00:09:12.000 There's not two counselors that are dealing with the mental health.

00:09:15.000 There's three.

00:09:16.000 They have a personal for each, and then they got a marriage counselor.

00:09:20.000 That's an extraordinary amount of mental health work that's being done just to keep a run of the mill marriage together.

00:09:27.000 You be the judge. 0.65

00:09:28.000 More on that in just a second. 1.00

00:09:29.000 I also want to give a shout out to Tina Peters in Colorado.

00:09:33.000 Congratulations to Tina Peters on being released.

00:09:36.000 She was on War Room earlier this morning, so we just want to say a quick word to her.

00:09:40.000 Governor Polis actually commuted her sentence with a lot of pressure from President Trump. 0.97

00:09:44.000 So God bless Tina Peters.

00:09:46.000 I want to hit an update.

00:09:47.000 We have several updates on the unfolding Tyler Robinson hearing that's going on.

00:09:51.000 First of all, it's not quite the case that they've been found in contempt.

00:09:55.000 The judge, instead, he granted a defense motion for an order to show cause.

00:10:00.000 Basically, they had claimed there's contempt issues because members of the prosecutor had spoken to media outlets.

00:10:05.000 And now the judge has set an evidentiary hearing for that for June 12th.

00:10:10.000 Basically, each side is going to present 90 minutes of evidence, and then the judge will issue a determination on the contempt issue.

00:10:18.000 So, not a ruling, basically, just said it merits a hearing.

00:10:21.000 Granted a hearing.

00:10:22.000 We have another hearing.

00:10:23.000 And then, in addition, apparently, the judge has ruled just now that media and the public will have access to the preliminary hearing.

00:10:34.000 Which was also being contested.

00:10:37.000 And I don't know if there's final rulings on the specific pieces of evidence yet.

00:10:40.000 Everything is public.

00:10:41.000 That's what I'm hearing.

00:10:42.000 So I'm not mad at that.

00:10:44.000 Again, there's some of those videos.

00:10:48.000 I actually would think it would be appropriate to sort of probably take the camera off those videos or not show those videos.

00:10:56.000 It is what it is.

00:10:57.000 It's very clear to me that Judge Graff is being very deliberate, very careful.

00:11:03.000 And again, we've laid this out on this show before, we've talked with experts about this.

00:11:08.000 This whole trial, there is such a mountain of evidence against Tyler Robinson that you're already kind of, you know, and we've had this explained to us.

00:11:17.000 These, both the prosecution and the defense are playing for appeals.

00:11:20.000 They're playing for future appeals.

00:11:22.000 They want the defense to screw up the judge, to screw up the prosecution, make them do silly things, unwise things, be rushing.

00:11:32.000 Anything that they could get this case to be overturned on appeal, the defense is going to be pursuing, right?

00:11:36.000 So, judge grappling, very deliberate.

00:11:39.000 It seems to be, he's very cognizant of what the strategy from the defense is.

00:11:45.000 So it is what it is.

00:11:47.000 So we've got, yeah, accordingly, this is a quote from Judge Graff the court grants defendant's motion for order to show cause.

00:11:54.000 The issuance of this order reflects a determination that defendant has made a sufficient preliminary showing under Utah law to warrant further proceedings and does not constitute a finding of contempt.

00:12:05.000 Does not.

00:12:06.000 So that's Judge Graff.

00:12:08.000 On cameras, the court, however, acknowledges defendant's pending motion in Lemine to preclude 1102 evidence and reserving ruling on that issue.

00:12:19.000 Until the matter has been fully briefed and heard.

00:12:23.000 To Blake's earlier point, it's all going to be public, though.

00:12:26.000 That's where this is the order of the court.

00:12:29.000 Which is to deny the defendant's belief.

00:12:31.000 Overall, the way we want it.

00:12:33.000 As you said, it's unpleasant if they literally are showing the video.

00:12:36.000 But one, I suspect a lot of news outlets just won't do that because they usually avoid that sort of thing.

00:12:42.000 And second, they're all public anyway.

00:12:42.000 Yeah.

00:12:45.000 Yeah, these videos are public.

00:12:47.000 I just can't help but think about Erica in moments like this.

00:12:53.000 You know, I'm not, again, I think it's good to be more public than not.

00:12:58.000 Let's put it that way.

00:12:59.000 I'm glad that there is a bent towards, you know, everything being public and known.

00:13:07.000 I get it.

00:13:08.000 So it's just that particular incident, I don't think anybody ever needs to see again.

00:13:13.000 You know, that's my personal feeling on the matter.

00:13:16.000 We ended the last segment, however, talking about Graham Platner and.

00:13:23.000 It was revealed that they have three.

00:13:26.000 Not just one, not two, but three counselors.

00:13:28.000 Three counselors, keeping their marriage intact.

00:13:31.000 I mean, it looked like a hostage video practically the way she was describing it.

00:13:35.000 It seemed very detached.

00:13:39.000 It was not, you certainly didn't get this sense of overflowing love and joy coming out of it, which I can't really blame her.

00:13:45.000 It's an embarrassing story.

00:13:46.000 Can you imagine the pressure?

00:13:48.000 She had to go and find the text messages, and then she'd reported them to basically, she reported them to the campaign that she'd found these things.

00:13:56.000 So they were aware of this.

00:13:57.000 And then this has now trickled out about a year later.

00:14:01.000 So it's very humiliating and embarrassing.

00:14:03.000 And there's a lot of these things with Graham Platner because we basically have photos of him on the dating apps where it's very clear.

00:14:10.000 He seems to be angling to cover up his tattoo that he says he did not know was a Nazi tattoo when he got it. 0.52

00:14:16.000 He probably did. 0.73

00:14:17.000 Which means, yeah, he means he probably did.

00:14:19.000 And on top of that, there's so many things with him.

00:14:24.000 And yeah, we can show the video.

00:14:25.000 Yeah, let's show that.

00:14:26.000 Well, there's this video of AI reading his Reddit comments.

00:14:30.000 Oh, yeah, let's go for it.

00:14:31.000 Let's do that.

00:14:32.000 Yeah, 22.

00:14:33.000 And now for a dramatic reading of Graham Plattner's Reddit comment. 0.99

00:14:38.000 Holy f***. 0.99

00:14:39.000 How about people just take some responsibility for themselves and not get so f***ed up they wind up having sex with someone they don't mean to? 1.00

00:14:45.000 Rape is a real thing. 0.97

00:14:46.000 If you're so worried about it to buy Kevlar underwear, you'd think you might not get blacked out f***ed up around people you aren't comfortable with. 1.00

00:14:54.000 Why don't black people tip? 0.98

00:14:56.000 I work as a bartender and it always amazes me how solid this stereotype is. 0.96

00:15:01.000 Living in white rural America, I'm afraid to tell you they actually are. 0.58

00:15:05.000 I got older and became a communist. 0.56

00:15:08.000 Still got the guns, though.

00:15:09.000 I don't trust the fascists to act politely.

00:15:13.000 Oh, great. 0.99

00:15:15.000 So we have an adulterous Nazi tattoo Redditor.

00:15:18.000 Not very pleasant, but I think there's something important to note here, which is this stuff has been trickling out for him for months, about a year now.

00:15:26.000 People don't care.

00:15:27.000 His campaign has only gained momentum.

00:15:29.000 The sitting governor of Maine, Janet Mills, dropped out of the race because she was basically going to get massacred by him and didn't want to get humiliated going all the way.

00:15:39.000 To the primary.

00:15:40.000 He's only gained momentum.

00:15:42.000 There are polls that show him actually leading the incumbent Republican senator, Susan Collins.

00:15:48.000 Now, that doesn't mean we're going to lose.

00:15:50.000 Susan Collins trailed every poll the last time that she ran and actually won easily. 1.00

00:15:55.000 She does seem to have special poll defying powers.

00:15:58.000 But there's real reasons for concern in this race.

00:16:01.000 And I think it signals something worrisome or important, which is Democrats, they've internalized some of the logic of Donald Trump himself, which is just steamroll through everything, apologize for nothing.

00:16:15.000 At least among Democrats, you can get away with a lot now because everything is secondary to just get the win, take down the Republicans, and they'll pick whoever they want.

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00:17:41.000 Welcoming now to the show is Rachel Campos Duffy, one of our friends and favorites, author of All American Patriotism, a new book out, and she's also the co host of Fox and Friends Weekend.

00:17:52.000 Rachel.

00:17:53.000 Good to see you.

00:17:54.000 It's so good to be on with you guys.

00:17:56.000 Thank you.

00:17:57.000 Well, it's an honor to have you.

00:17:58.000 We wanted to celebrate this book because obviously it's an amazing book and it's part of our 250.

00:18:04.000 There it is.

00:18:05.000 There's the beautiful cover.

00:18:06.000 But Erica Kirk also wrote the foreword to this, which was a great honor.

00:18:11.000 And I know that that was something you worked hard on getting.

00:18:16.000 And we were honored to have her be a part of this project.

00:18:19.000 So tell us about the project.

00:18:21.000 Well, first of all, let me give you a little announcement, which is that it just hit the New York Times.

00:18:25.000 Bestseller list.

00:18:26.000 It's number three right now.

00:18:27.000 So we're really excited about it.

00:18:29.000 I know people are really responding to it.

00:18:32.000 I think that there's a desire to return to the way, frankly, the way we Gen Xers were raised, you know, where we were just raised to love this country.

00:18:44.000 And when we talked about wanting to fix America or change something, a policy, or make it better or restore it, it was through this prism of love.

00:18:55.000 It's that we loved America so much.

00:18:58.000 That we wanted to make her even better.

00:19:00.000 It wasn't that we were trying to tear America down, tear down its statues, tear down its founders, fundamentally transform it.

00:19:08.000 It was through this prism of love.

00:19:11.000 And I think over the last couple generations, because of Howard Zinn and this sort of Marxist perspective that has been foisted on America's youth from K through college, they're getting it.

00:19:24.000 It's really the primary source of history that's being taught right now.

00:19:29.000 We're just seeing kids being very ambivalent about America, very, you know, almost embarrassed or ashamed of our history and our founding.

00:19:40.000 And so, this book is really about turning the page on that, especially with this incredible 250th anniversary that we're about to celebrate, and saying it's time to embrace America, to love her again, to be proud of her, to go out and see her on a road trip with your friends, go out or your family, and really start to reconnect with each other.

00:20:06.000 And so, each chapter, Andrew, is an essay.

00:20:10.000 So, I asked my favorite friends at Fox, different hosts from different places and regions in America.

00:20:18.000 Just write an essay.

00:20:19.000 Why do you love America?

00:20:20.000 What does it mean to you?

00:20:21.000 Why are you so patriotic?

00:20:23.000 And each of them did.

00:20:24.000 I wrote an introduction to each of those chapters.

00:20:27.000 I wrote my own chapter and I wrote an introduction to the book.

00:20:31.000 And that's sort of how the book is put together.

00:20:34.000 And yes, I asked Erica to do the forward because I was wanting to ask Charlie to do it.

00:20:43.000 Because, you know, Next to President Trump, who else represents being the ultimate cheerleader for America?

00:20:51.000 No one publicly pronounced their love for America more than Charlie Kirk and President Donald Trump.

00:20:57.000 And Charlie Kirk had such a connection to young people, and I wanted young people to read this book.

00:21:03.000 And the feedback I'm getting about it from young people is they are sort of, I'm not going to say jealous, but they pine for the way I was raised, which was, as I said, to just.

00:21:16.000 We were just raised to love America and not to be ashamed of it.

00:21:19.000 In fact, to proclaim how exceptional it was all the time.

00:21:23.000 And I think they want that.

00:21:26.000 I might be putting you on the spot a little bit, but I'm looking here.

00:21:30.000 You got your different stories, and it mentions, of course, your husband, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy.

00:21:35.000 He looks back on your family road trip right here to Arizona to the Grand Canyon.

00:21:40.000 And I was wondering if you could tell Charlie loved the Grand Canyon.

00:21:44.000 He did love the Grand Canyon.

00:21:45.000 So our family took a road trip this year, but that chapter.

00:21:48.000 Is about his trip to the Grand Canyon with his mom and his brother and his sister.

00:21:55.000 And that's what that chapter is about.

00:21:58.000 And it was interesting.

00:22:00.000 A lot of people's chapters or essays, you know, this is a collection of essays, were about road trips.

00:22:06.000 And even Erica talked about the road trips that her and Charlie took in the forward.

00:22:12.000 I just want to read you really quick just the first couple lines of the forward written by Erica.

00:22:17.000 She said, Charlie never got to see America turn 250.

00:22:21.000 And some days that saw Thought still settles heavy in my heart.

00:22:25.000 He would have loved it because he loved the visible reminders of who we are in America and as a country.

00:22:32.000 He believed America was meant to be seen and celebrated out loud, not quietly tucked away or spoken of with hesitation.

00:22:41.000 And then she goes on, it's beautiful.

00:22:43.000 Yeah.

00:22:44.000 And I got a chance to read that, you know, before, I guess once they submitted it to you guys, and I just thought she did a great job celebrating Charlie, celebrating the country.

00:22:54.000 It's a really beautiful thing.

00:22:56.000 And she took it so seriously, by the way.

00:22:57.000 I remember because it was a little delayed.

00:22:59.000 And she's like, no, it has to be just right.

00:23:02.000 So you talk about road trips.

00:23:04.000 So I'd be remiss if I didn't bring up the controversy over the great American road trip, which your husband is celebrating, really.

00:23:15.000 And I remember thinking, like, you and I talked about this briefly when I was like, wait, there's a controversy over that?

00:23:21.000 Why is there a controversy over a road?

00:23:23.000 Like, what is more American than.

00:23:26.000 The All American, like a great American road trip.

00:23:29.000 Like, and by the way, it's kind of part of Sean's story.

00:23:32.000 Like, there's just so many great tie ins here.

00:23:35.000 What is it?

00:23:36.000 And, like, why are people being weird about it?

00:23:40.000 I don't even understand it, to be perfectly honest.

00:23:42.000 So, Sean talked about his road trip to the Grand Canyon when he was a kid in his book.

00:23:48.000 And I talked in my chapter in 1976.

00:23:52.000 So, the 200th anniversary, I believe it or not, I was alive.

00:23:56.000 I don't believe it.

00:23:58.000 I don't believe it.

00:23:59.000 But then I see that you're like a grandma now.

00:24:02.000 I know, I'm a grandma.

00:24:02.000 I'm a grandma.

00:24:05.000 I guess a lot going on here.

00:24:06.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:24:07.000 How many kids do you guys have again?

00:24:09.000 I always forget the exact number.

00:24:10.000 We have nine kids, and this is our second grandkid, and we're going to have a third grandkid on the way around Christmas time.

00:24:18.000 So, God bless you.

00:24:20.000 So, yeah, it's amazing.

00:24:21.000 So, when I was a little girl in 1976, my parents, and I will get to the controversy, but I want to set this up first.

00:24:30.000 My father is a first generation Mexican American born here in Arizona.

00:24:35.000 And my mother met him when he was stationed abroad in Spain, and she's from Spain, and she became a citizen when I was in kindergarten.

00:24:42.000 And it was around that time that, you know, America turned 200.

00:24:47.000 And my parents loaded up the four of us kids into a station wagon, a brown station wagon, and we drove to Philadelphia across the country to see the Liberty Bell and to go to Independence Hall.

00:25:00.000 And I remember just thinking, this place must be really important.

00:25:03.000 Our parents brought us all the way here to see this, and it was very formative for us.

00:25:08.000 And I think a lot of road trips are, they're bonding and they're wonderful.

00:25:11.000 And so when President Trump said, listen to the cabinet, you're going to, you know, we're going to celebrate 250 years while I am in office.

00:25:21.000 And so I want every department to come up with a way to celebrate America's 250th birthday.

00:25:26.000 And Sean, of course, is the Secretary of Transportation.

00:25:29.000 He's charged not just with transportation and safety, but also with promoting infrastructure and travel.

00:25:37.000 And so he said, let's.

00:25:38.000 Bring back the great American road trip.

00:25:40.000 I don't think people are taking road trips the way they used to.

00:25:43.000 When Sean and I were kids, it was very unusual to jump on an airplane, for example.

00:25:48.000 You know, everybody, the only time I got on an airplane, you guys, was when my dad was moving to a different base, usually overseas, and the government paid for the airplane ride for all of us to go.

00:25:59.000 But if we were going anywhere, we were jumping in the car because that was just what people did back then.

00:26:04.000 And so he's like, let's bring it back.

00:26:05.000 And so bonding as a family, you do these, Awesome stops at diners.

00:26:10.000 You go see the parks.

00:26:11.000 We have the most amazing landscape and geography here in America.

00:26:16.000 And so he said, let's bring back the great American road trip.

00:26:20.000 And America 250, as you know, has all these corporate sponsors.

00:26:24.000 So there was a nonprofit that was set up, and these different corporations are wrapping, they're spending money through this nonprofit to wrap up airplanes and buses and America 250 logos.

00:26:38.000 And this idea of bringing back the road trip was brought up.

00:26:41.000 And we said, let's hit a couple sites, the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Philadelphia, Florida, South Carolina.

00:26:51.000 And so we did that.

00:26:54.000 And so when it came out, and we decided how we're going to do it, we were first going to do it in little TikTok videos.

00:27:00.000 And then I said, you know what?

00:27:02.000 Our roots are in reality TV.

00:27:04.000 We've been asked for it.

00:27:06.000 People don't know I was on The Real World in season three, and Sean was on season five, and we met.

00:27:12.000 Through reality TV.

00:27:13.000 We've been asked for the last 20 years to actually participate in a reality by probably 12 different production companies, including the one that did The Kardashians and Real World.

00:27:27.000 And so then we said, you know what, if we're going to do it, let's just do like a little limited five episode, you know, we're going across the country.

00:27:35.000 And that's what we did.

00:27:36.000 And people freaked out.

00:27:38.000 And because we filmed it over the course of seven months, which means Sean took like two days a month to do this.

00:27:47.000 So we did these really quick stints because obviously I'm busy with my job and Sean's busy with his.

00:27:53.000 And but then the left said that we took seven months off because I think they're really sensitive.

00:28:00.000 Because people took four months off.

00:28:02.000 So they want to make it sound like the Duffys took seven months off.

00:28:06.000 I mean, it's so crazy.

00:28:07.000 I think it's beautiful.

00:28:08.000 I think it's great.

00:28:09.000 And I love celebrating the great American road trip.

00:28:12.000 There is nothing more American.

00:28:14.000 And it's iconic.

00:28:15.000 And we should celebrate it.

00:28:16.000 And who better than you guys and the Secretary of Transportation?

00:28:19.000 Anyway, so, you know, I saw this clip and I should have pulled it, but I'm thinking about it right now.

00:28:26.000 You know, because we see these images of Columbus.

00:28:31.000 The Columbus Square Monument, or whatever, and so many of the beautification.

00:28:35.000 There's a Lincoln Memorial, the reflecting pool.

00:28:38.000 And I saw this clip this morning of Rachel Welch.

00:28:40.000 Welch?

00:28:41.000 Welch? 1.00

00:28:42.000 I didn't even hear about her until Trump got reelected. 1.00

00:28:44.000 Anyway, she's a former housewife of something or other. 0.98

00:28:48.000 One of those. 1.00

00:28:50.000 And she just spouts off all the time.

00:28:52.000 And she's basically like, We're going to pave over the Lincoln Memorial.

00:28:56.000 I want to return it back to this.

00:28:57.000 And I want Trump's name off the Kennedy Center and the $250 bill.

00:29:02.000 If you know, burn all those $250 bills.

00:29:04.000 I mean, she's basically saying she wants to go back to the way DC was before.

00:29:09.000 It doesn't matter if he's made it better.

00:29:11.000 If Trump's like, it feels like we are back to this moment where the left is unified over one thing.

00:29:18.000 We were talking about this Graham Platner character in Maine, how the sexting and the like crazy Reddit comments, and he calls himself a communist.

00:29:27.000 It doesn't seem to matter as long as you are aligned against Trump.

00:29:31.000 It doesn't matter that things are more beautiful and safer in DC.

00:29:36.000 It just matters that you hate Trump.

00:29:39.000 How did we get here?

00:29:40.000 When you reflect on 1976 and then we fast forward to 2026, what explains it?

00:29:48.000 I mean, it's just tedious.

00:29:48.000 Trump.

00:29:51.000 It truly is.

00:29:52.000 It's so bad.

00:29:53.000 I mean, I even thought about the concert.

00:29:55.000 Remember that President Trump, in celebration of America 250, was going to do the Great American Fair, which was a great concept, right on the mall in Washington, D.C.

00:30:05.000 And then, of course, have a concert like every fair does.

00:30:08.000 And, you know, again, we were back to where the artists, the Hollywood artists, you know, music artists were not either didn't want to or were too scared of being canceled if they participated in this.

00:30:23.000 And so there were just a lot of, I mean, let's be frank, C listers, D listers that were there.

00:30:30.000 And with the exception, I mean, Flo Rida, I love him.

00:30:33.000 So I don't, and he, by the way, he's one of the few who said no matter what, he's going to do it.

00:30:38.000 Yep.

00:30:38.000 But there were a lot of them that said yes that then backed out.

00:30:41.000 And I thought, you know what?

00:30:44.000 It would be so amazing if Hollywood and the music industry could have led the way on uniting us and saying, hey, enough of this.

00:30:53.000 We can all unite because, you know, at Pluribus Unum, you know, out of many, we are one.

00:31:00.000 We can unite around the flag.

00:31:02.000 We can unite around 250.

00:31:04.000 And yet they couldn't even for America's 250th birthday.

00:31:08.000 The people, the group of people who have probably benefited the most financially and otherwise from the American dream.

00:31:17.000 Couldn't put down their petty politics to do a concert for America.

00:31:21.000 It was so sad.

00:31:23.000 And so, yeah, I mean, and with the beautification, you're right.

00:31:26.000 I mean, my husband broke ground or cut a ribbon, I should say, cut a ribbon just last week with Secretary Burgum in front of Union Station.

00:31:38.000 I mean, that place was nasty.

00:31:42.000 It was the inside of the terminal of Union Station was filled with homeless people, and the plaza outside had tents. 0.86

00:31:51.000 It was just disgusting.

00:31:52.000 I remember arriving there last year.

00:31:56.000 Around the time my husband first took office as Secretary of Transportation, and there was a shooting there, and everyone had to be cleared out.

00:32:03.000 I mean, look at that before and after, Rachel.

00:32:06.000 I mean, that's 2022 versus 2026.

00:32:09.000 Look what Trump is doing in the Columbus Circle.

00:32:12.000 I never recall that fountain being a normal fountain.

00:32:14.000 No, it's beautiful.

00:32:15.000 It looks like a Trevi fountain now.

00:32:17.000 They hate it.

00:32:18.000 They hate it, though.

00:32:20.000 It's like a.

00:32:22.000 That fountain should be this Instagram thing.

00:32:25.000 Yeah, they can't stand that, like, it's beautiful now because Trump did it.

00:32:29.000 They hate it.

00:32:31.000 And that I think is really sad.

00:32:33.000 And we had a whole segment on our Thought Crime show, which is our Thursday night streaming show with Jack Posobic and Blake and I and Tyler and a whole cast of characters. 0.98

00:32:42.000 And we were just reflecting on the fact that the Bicentennial versus the 250, just the unity of the country has been so chipped away at that we can't even have a concert with a bunch of has-beens. 0.92

00:32:54.000 Even they're giving us the attitude. 0.98

00:32:57.000 And my whole reaction to it is: you know what? 0.97

00:33:00.000 Screw them. 0.96

00:33:02.000 I don't even care. 1.00

00:33:03.000 Actually, like you're all losers. 0.98

00:33:06.000 I'm not a huge boycott guy, but I will use them when needed. 0.96

00:33:10.000 I will never, they mean nothing to me now.

00:33:13.000 Because to your point, it's like you can't even come around celebrating all 50 states and the territories.

00:33:18.000 And it was supposed to be a bipartisan commission.

00:33:20.000 The bipartisan commission didn't do anything.

00:33:23.000 And I will say, a lot of people have been asking, like Turning Point, to get involved because we do these events and we do the production and we do it really well.

00:33:31.000 I would just say, listen, As somebody who's seen the insider workings of this, it's hard.

00:33:37.000 It's very hard to pull off these events.

00:33:39.000 We make it look really easy, but it's really hard, especially when you're on the conservative side of the ledger and there's so much pressure on these Hollywood folks and the entertainment folks not to get involved.

00:33:48.000 And it's a real tragedy, though, for our country because this is supposed to be bipartisan.

00:33:52.000 This was not a Trump event.

00:33:53.000 Now Trump's going to come in and speak and do the thing.

00:33:56.000 And listen, God bless the president for doing, be willing to do that and to salvage an event.

00:34:00.000 I think it'll be great.

00:34:02.000 And you said there's still going to be some acts performing, but it shouldn't have to be this way.

00:34:05.000 We have so much great music.

00:34:06.000 We have so many great artists.

00:34:07.000 We have so, like, Bluegrass, jazz, all these like Americana.

00:34:11.000 Where's Nashville?

00:34:12.000 Where's Nashville?

00:34:14.000 Well, Martina McBride said, Well, I didn't know what's going to be like this.

00:34:14.000 I don't know.

00:34:19.000 And, anyways, she's an old has been as well, but there's got to be tons of artists.

00:34:23.000 But she was willing to do it, Andrew.

00:34:25.000 She was willing to do it, supposedly, according to her statement, until she realized that what?

00:34:34.000 For 10 years, the planning of this was basically going to be like a woke, apologize for America thing.

00:34:41.000 Then Trump gets elected, and they're like, no, let's go big.

00:34:45.000 Let's really celebrate America.

00:34:47.000 And then they're like, no, now it's political.

00:34:51.000 And by the way, everybody should be giving the president credit for trying to make our capital worthy of our country.

00:34:57.000 Every foreign visitor comes to the capital, dignitaries. 0.86

00:35:02.000 It was embarrassing what we were presenting. 0.97

00:35:04.000 What he is doing is such a service to our country.

00:35:09.000 I cannot, and we should be blessed that we have a built residential.

00:35:12.000 President, right now.

00:35:13.000 Well, but I don't know why they're doing this. 0.63

00:35:16.000 You grew up speaking Spanish, so you're supposed to hate America.

00:35:19.000 I don't, I'm so confused right now.

00:35:21.000 You know, it's you know what?

00:35:23.000 Do you know what I talk about in this book?

00:35:25.000 My mom and dad made sure that I learned English first in the 1970s when they were, when they, and I talk about this in the book, when they were, you know, experimenting.

00:35:38.000 Let it be said, my mom pulled me out of bilingual education because she wanted me to be an American first.

00:35:44.000 Rachel Campos, Duffy, everybody check out the book.

00:35:46.000 God bless you.

00:35:47.000 We love having you.

00:35:47.000 You are the best.

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00:37:19.000 We're going to get into the Delaney Hall fiasco, which is another mess that the left is trying to stir up around ICE and their anti ICE protests.

00:37:27.000 They think they're going to get the big ROI that they got out of Minnesota.

00:37:30.000 I'm not so sure on this one.

00:37:32.000 Here to help us unpack this ordeal are two frontlines, TPUSA frontlines journalists.

00:37:39.000 That's Gabrielle Victor and Bo Alford.

00:37:42.000 Welcome back to the show, gentlemen.

00:37:44.000 You guys were on the ground covering the protests and the mayhem from Wednesday through Saturday.

00:37:51.000 My goodness, you guys are brave.

00:37:53.000 First of all, thank you for doing it.

00:37:55.000 Bo, let's just start with you.

00:37:57.000 Why did this happen?

00:37:58.000 Why did this even pop off in the first place?

00:38:00.000 And what did you see on the ground?

00:38:03.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:38:04.000 Their reasoning was due to inhumane conditions.

00:38:08.000 But as DHS is reporting today, there are no inhumane conditions.

00:38:14.000 They were even saying that these prisoners are getting better health care than they've received in years, probably.

00:38:21.000 This truly is just an excuse to riot.

00:38:24.000 I wouldn't even call these people protesters or agitators or leftists.

00:38:30.000 These are people that truly just want to burn down the country and start over.

00:38:34.000 Yeah.

00:38:35.000 Gabe, what'd you see on the ground there?

00:38:38.000 I saw mayhem.

00:38:40.000 That was probably at least on Friday night, and also a lot of videos that have been coming out since.

00:38:46.000 That was like the closest thing that I have ever seen that's as close to war.

00:38:51.000 You know, like it was a war zone out there, it was lawlessness.

00:38:55.000 These protesters were just rioting.

00:39:00.000 They were trying to find any reason to be mad at anyone.

00:39:05.000 You know, they attacked reporters, as a lot of people have seen.

00:39:08.000 And, you know, these people have just.

00:39:11.000 Had madness be the forefront of their movement.

00:39:16.000 Yeah, so apparently this whole thing started with a hunger strike that was embarked upon by the detainees at Delaney Hall. 0.96

00:39:24.000 Reminder these are criminals.

00:39:26.000 They broke into our country. 0.62

00:39:27.000 They don't belong here.

00:39:28.000 A lot of them are violent.

00:39:29.000 A lot of them are actual, sort of what the left would define as criminals.

00:39:33.000 I define all of them as criminals because they broke into our country and we don't want them here. 0.80

00:39:38.000 But, and by the way, you should pull up those details on the white pill on how the average time and country that most of these detainees have been here. 0.93

00:39:47.000 But, anyways, the DHS published.

00:39:51.000 A menu of food that they're getting served oatmeal, pancakes, scrambled eggs, grilled potatoes, chicken breakfast meat, cream of rice, dry cereal, milk, coffee.

00:40:00.000 For lunch, they eat better than I do.

00:40:02.000 Chicken leg quarter, turkey stir fry, beef and bean burrito, vegetarian beans.

00:40:09.000 They even have a vegetarian option for a bunch of mostly Hispanics.

00:40:12.000 This is interesting.

00:40:13.000 Chicken fajita meat with a tortilla, Spanish rice, fedeo with meat sauce, chicken fried steak, fortified sugar free tea.

00:40:20.000 Dinner jambalaya, meat and vegetable stew.

00:40:24.000 Tuna salad, Salisbury patty with gravy, enchilada casserole, chili mac, potato wedges, mixed vegetables, fortified sugar free beverage.

00:40:33.000 All right.

00:40:35.000 And they're getting medical care, and they're getting a bed, showers, all this stuff.

00:40:41.000 Yet they have the gall to go on a hunger strike.

00:40:44.000 So then all the activists from all over the country come over.

00:40:49.000 By the way, this is not like that widespread.

00:40:50.000 They want you to think that this is like the entire Democrat base is like.

00:40:55.000 Protesting and going on shifts here.

00:40:57.000 No, these are like Antifa guys.

00:40:58.000 And the thing that concerned me with looking at some of the videos, and I want to know if you guys saw this as well, was they had gas masks.

00:41:07.000 They had really well equipped, almost tactical gear that had to have cost tens and tens of thousands of dollars.

00:41:15.000 What did you guys see just as far as an organizational and sophistication level on the ground?

00:41:20.000 Bo or Gabe, I don't know who wants to take this over.

00:41:23.000 Go ahead, Bo.

00:41:24.000 I'll start.

00:41:25.000 It's a very good point that you bring up because Nick Sortor.

00:41:29.000 Even reported this that when people were donating, they weren't asking for water or food, they were asking for rioting material.

00:41:39.000 They were getting these masks shipped over to them, and everyone on the ground had these masks, had goggles on because they were prepared for war.

00:41:49.000 These weren't people that were needing food for extra time, these were simply people that were prepared for war with our country.

00:41:57.000 Yeah, Gabe, did you see the same?

00:41:59.000 I mean, these are sophisticated ops that are being run.

00:42:03.000 And then the media covers them like it's just a bunch of concerned citizens really upset about the illegals held at Delaney Hall.

00:42:09.000 Yeah, no, I think that these people are definitely prepared to go out there and be fighting, be violent.

00:42:16.000 I mean, you know, you could attribute it a bit to probably our education system at some point.

00:42:22.000 You know, these people think that they are like the founding fathers.

00:42:25.000 You know, they think that they are fighting for something greater than them, which, you know, they're completely misguided.

00:42:30.000 You can see in the videos, all these people are basically fighting to protect criminals, firstly, but secondly, they are, you know, Attacking agents, you know, people who work for this country who are just trying to keep the community safer and they believe that they are all, you know, evil Nazi types, according to them, you know.

00:42:51.000 So, Blake, you had an insight over the weekend.

00:42:53.000 I actually retweeted Blake.

00:42:55.000 I do that often, actually.

00:42:56.000 It's not like a rarity.

00:42:57.000 But on the average duration of how long these illegals have been, and I think this is one of the reasons they're so upset right now.

00:43:05.000 Yeah, no, that's a big part of it.

00:43:07.000 So, this is, I believe, the Washington Post was just analyzing the average, the median number of days that a person getting removed from the United States had been in the United States.

00:43:18.000 And for a very long time, including even in President Trump's first term, the average was a person had been on average in the U.S. a few days, a few weeks.

00:43:27.000 So, that mostly captures people who cross the border, get caught, get sent back out.

00:43:31.000 That's the average deported person.

00:43:33.000 Now we've crashed border crossings down so much, and we're still sending people out.

00:43:39.000 So, the Average has gone up from a few dozen days to over a thousand days.

00:43:44.000 Yeah.

00:43:45.000 Is the median number of days someone has been in the United States before they leave.

00:43:48.000 That's like three years.

00:43:48.000 Which means it's about three years.

00:43:50.000 And so the typical person getting sent out is someone who's been in the United States a long time, when previously it was widely known if you could get into the United States, get past the first wave of defense, sanctuary cities, ICE priorities, and all these other things would conspire to basically mean you'd never get sent home.

00:44:08.000 And that's finally getting broken up by this administration.

00:44:11.000 Which is why I think they're so upset.

00:44:13.000 But, like, I can't get over the fact that if there are signal chats being exposed right now, I am being told from sources at DHS and Treasury, these are being sussed out.

00:44:25.000 So just be patient.

00:44:26.000 And there are arrests being made.

00:44:27.000 There's been threats on the lives of ICE officers.

00:44:31.000 Mikey Sherrill is defending this.

00:44:33.000 The politicians are getting behind this lawlessness.

00:44:36.000 It's an absolute failure of leadership from New Jersey government officials.

00:44:41.000 And it's shameless because these people are.

00:44:43.000 Absolute agents of chaos, agents of violence, and they're going to war with federal law enforcement.

00:44:49.000 Am I mischaracterizing this from what you guys saw?

00:44:52.000 No, not at all.

00:44:54.000 And what's the posture of the state that you can tell on the ground?

00:44:59.000 I mean, the state of just the area in general in New Jersey.

00:45:05.000 Yeah, I mean, you know, around where the protests were happening or the riots were happening, a lot of the people were.

00:45:13.000 Seem to be in support of these protests.

00:45:16.000 You know, you would talk to other people outside of it and they want this stuff to happen.

00:45:20.000 So it seems like it's all complete chaos.

00:45:23.000 I mean, you know, blue state.

00:45:24.000 So I don't know if you can expect anything else.

00:45:27.000 It's so depressing.

00:45:28.000 I mean, how anybody could support such lawlessness and such chaos?

00:45:33.000 Bo Alfred, Gabriel Victor, thank you so much for covering it on the ground and doing it on behalf of TPSA Frontlines.

00:45:40.000 We have your back.

00:45:41.000 Thank you for your courage.

00:45:42.000 God bless you both.

00:45:43.000 Thank you.

00:45:44.000 Thank you.

00:45:45.000 Hey, thank you guys.

00:45:48.000 So we have to do it.

00:45:52.000 I was hoping it wasn't going to get to this bad.

00:45:54.000 I was hoping we weren't going to have to do this, Blake.

00:45:56.000 But it's June.

00:45:58.000 And unfortunately, June has been co opted by people that I disagree with.

00:46:02.000 It is the month of the seven deadly sins.

00:46:04.000 It's a month that's turned into like a celebration of degeneracy.

00:46:07.000 Okay.

00:46:08.000 If you want to go do your thing in private and not involve me or my kids or my country and just leave me alone.

00:46:15.000 I'm not going to cause you a problem.

00:46:17.000 I'm not going to say anything.

00:46:18.000 I don't even care, okay?

00:46:19.000 Genuinely.

00:46:20.000 What you do is what you do.

00:46:22.000 What I do is what I do.

00:46:23.000 I just don't want to have it stuffed in my face and down my throat, okay?

00:46:27.000 So here's Good Morning America opening their segment today.

00:46:31.000 This comes by way of the Media Research Council.

00:46:34.000 They flagged it, so it's got their logo on it.

00:46:36.000 Hat tip to them. 1.00

00:46:38.000 They started off with gay salsa dancing on Disney's owned ABC Good Morning America, Sot 38. 1.00

00:47:05.000 Okay, I don't know if they could hear that. 0.99

00:47:07.000 We were begging for it to stop for about 10 seconds.

00:47:09.000 Yeah, I was like, okay, we get the idea.

00:47:12.000 Meanwhile, the MLB has just gone full pride.

00:47:19.000 You could just throw a smattering of these images up.

00:47:21.000 It really breaks my heart because I'm a huge baseball fan.

00:47:24.000 And they don't need to.

00:47:25.000 Look, you got the flag, the rainbow flag incorporated into the MLB logo.

00:47:33.000 The Dodgers are doing it, minor league baseball's doing it.

00:47:37.000 The Minnesota Twins, which nobody's surprised by.

00:47:41.000 And then you've got a bunch of the football teams going on on social media the Eagles, the Buffalo Bills, the Dolphins, the Washington Commanders, Washington Redskins.

00:47:55.000 What is this?

00:47:56.000 The Baltimore Ravens.

00:47:58.000 I have checked.

00:47:59.000 I have good news.

00:48:00.000 I have checked.

00:48:01.000 The Texas Rangers have still never done a Pride night.

00:48:04.000 Every year, people flip out and they say they're the only MLB team without one.

00:48:08.000 And I just checked and I don't see one on the schedule for this year.

00:48:11.000 Listen.

00:48:12.000 Say that.

00:48:12.000 This is how you lose a country.

00:48:13.000 When you start celebrating the wrong things.

00:48:16.000 When you start lifting up as the ideal something that's outside of God's design.

00:48:23.000 Okay?

00:48:23.000 But again, I'm a bit libertarian on this in general.

00:48:27.000 If you keep it to yourselves, I'm not going to.

00:48:30.000 This is a free country.

00:48:32.000 I don't think it's right.

00:48:33.000 I don't.

00:48:34.000 I actually don't.

00:48:35.000 Okay?

00:48:36.000 If you keep it to yourselves, I'm not going to say anything.

00:48:38.000 When you start promoting it everywhere and you try and propagandize me and my children, I'm going to have an issue. 0.99

00:48:44.000 I'm sick of June being co opted.

00:48:46.000 Why is it a whole month?

00:48:47.000 My goodness, it doesn't need to be a whole month.

00:48:50.000 That's where you know it was a total op from the beginning.

00:48:52.000 A whole month dedicated to just like weakness and feminized men.

00:48:57.000 I'm not into it.

00:48:58.000 Like, save me from myself here.

00:49:00.000 I mean, it's just, it's become.

00:49:05.000 I just like, I go back to the fact that pride is one of the seven deadly sins.

00:49:09.000 I think you can tell the fact that it started as. 1.00

00:49:14.000 Gay pride, but it's now just become generalized pride, and it's the way they eagerly add every new thing to it. 0.57

00:49:22.000 And so, it's not even specifically about being gay, it's almost just if you LGBTQ, LGBT, and you know, two spirit and missing and murder, you know, what was that? 0.62

00:49:32.000 MMIWP, uh, MI, whatever the thing from Canada. 0.73

00:49:36.000 It's really you can add any identity to it almost as long as it's against the setup that we know has worked for thousands of years to keep civilization going.

00:49:48.000 So, and people respond to this.

00:49:49.000 We have people desperately trying to create new fake sexual orientations for themselves.

00:49:55.000 Those are the people who said they were sapiosexuals or whatever.

00:49:58.000 People will make things up.

00:49:59.000 And if you make it desirable to be a weirdo, if you make it desirable to be not normal, people are going to pursue that.

00:50:08.000 And you'll have a fertility rate at 1.1 and your society is going to disintegrate.

00:50:14.000 Yeah. 0.94

00:50:15.000 And here's the thing I'm just so sick of it.

00:50:19.000 I'm just so, I'm exhausted by it.

00:50:22.000 Just stop. 0.98

00:50:24.000 You do not need a month for this garbage. 0.97

00:50:26.000 And it's a reminder, sadly, that we've made a lot of strides against Pride. 0.97

00:50:32.000 But, I mean, they're not going away.

00:50:35.000 And so we've got to keep the pressure up.

00:50:37.000 And that's why I decided we should devote a segment to this because look at this is MLB.

00:50:43.000 It's as American as apple pie and hot dogs and hamburger.

00:50:47.000 And they're going all in.

00:50:49.000 And that makes me truly.

00:50:52.000 Truly remorseful for the state of our country because it's bad for everybody.

00:50:56.000 You don't want to celebrate this. 1.00

00:50:57.000 You want to celebrate a nuclear family. 0.99

00:50:59.000 You want to celebrate couples getting married, buying homes, having kids. 0.93

00:51:04.000 You don't want to celebrate all the exceptions to the rule.

00:51:08.000 When did we become a country that only celebrates the exceptions to the rule?

00:51:12.000 And I get like this when it comes to immigration.

00:51:16.000 How many times have you had the proud, noble immigrant rising from the bottom story?

00:51:22.000 Why don't we ever tell the story about an American kid who was born in a single family home that did all the right things, went to school, got a good job, married his wife, had some kids?

00:51:33.000 Why don't we celebrate that story?

00:51:35.000 Because that's actually what we're trying to create.

00:51:37.000 You know, and I'm reminded of the fact that Charlie said if he was ever in political office, what he would do is devote himself to the restoration of the American family.

00:51:46.000 And here we have a whole month that basically is working against it.

00:51:50.000 And you can call me a bigot, you can call me closed minded, I don't care.

00:51:54.000 It works against God's design, the beautiful design, the foundational elements, the building blocks of a successful society.

00:52:02.000 And I reject it wholeheartedly.

00:52:04.000 You should too.

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00:54:24.000 All right.

00:54:25.000 We are just getting Rob Henderson set up and ready to go.

00:54:29.000 But let me set the premise of this and why we've invited Rob back on.

00:54:33.000 By the way, Rob was one of Charlie's last long form interviews.

00:54:35.000 One of our last.

00:54:35.000 Really, really smart guy.

00:54:37.000 Interviewed him a week before, I think.

00:54:39.000 It hadn't even come out when everything happened.

00:54:42.000 I think that's right.

00:54:43.000 Rob, welcome back to the show.

00:54:44.000 It's good to see you, my friend.

00:54:46.000 And thanks for making the time.

00:54:48.000 You are one of the most prolific followed Substack writers.

00:54:51.000 Rob Henderson's newsletter.

00:54:52.000 So everybody check that out.

00:54:54.000 Author of Troubles.

00:54:56.000 Rob, I wanted to have you on because there's been a series of, I would call them great debates on X, on social media, about a couple of things revolving around conservative versus liberal parenting, fertility rates.

00:55:12.000 There's been the gender gap in higher education, how many are getting degrees.

00:55:17.000 And it's just, I think the numbers now that 62% of degrees are awarded to women.

00:55:23.000 And we've had authors like Helen Anderson on the show who has talked about this and talked about the great feminization of.

00:55:29.000 Culture.

00:55:31.000 And so there's really limitless places we could start to have this discussion, but the macro data is emerging and it feels like we're still talking and raging against the patriarchy, but it's like that era is gone, it seems like.

00:55:48.000 You know, here, I'll just start with one graph, Rob, and then I'll give it to you.

00:55:52.000 More parents among conservatives.

00:55:54.000 This is a wild one.

00:55:55.000 71% of conservatives are having a child versus 47% of conservatives.

00:56:03.000 There's the graph right there.

00:56:03.000 Liberals.

00:56:05.000 So that's quite interesting.

00:56:08.000 Tell us your thoughts on all of these big debates that we're having now, and they're emerging on X.

00:56:13.000 Yeah.

00:56:14.000 Well, it's fascinating there because if you go back to the beginning of when those charts were in the 1980s, right?

00:56:22.000 So for women, they're almost identical 65% for conservatives versus 60% for liberal women.

00:56:29.000 And then this has just grown over time.

00:56:32.000 People talk about polarization and how we're growing further apart along political lines.

00:56:36.000 I think this is just.

00:56:38.000 More evidence of that.

00:56:39.000 It's not just in terms of opinion now where we're becoming polarized, but in terms of action, family formation, marriage, child rearing.

00:56:48.000 And, you know, you're completely right.

00:56:50.000 I think that increasingly you have to set out to make a plan to have a family.

00:56:58.000 I think in the past, because we had these cultural guardrails in place, you had this kind of life script that was widely known and taught throughout the culture, parenting, schools, families, and so on that this is.

00:57:10.000 Kind of the sequence of your life.

00:57:11.000 You go to school, you go to college, you get a job, and then you kind of find a partner, settle down, and have some kids.

00:57:17.000 And it's becoming harder.

00:57:18.000 Our culture doesn't really cultivate that anymore.

00:57:21.000 It doesn't really directly or indirectly tell young people this is kind of what the milestones of life are.

00:57:28.000 And you have to try really hard now.

00:57:32.000 I've spoken with very smart guys.

00:57:35.000 Most of my friends are guys, and they're educated, they're smart, they're successful in their careers.

00:57:39.000 And they tell me that they literally have to treat it as a second job to find a suitable partner.

00:57:45.000 Where they put in, you know, they basically put their careers temporarily on pause to prioritize how do I find a suitable spouse?

00:57:52.000 How, you know, do I screen for someone who shares the same values as me and settle down and have a relationship and then get married and then have kids?

00:58:01.000 You didn't used to have to do that. 0.65

00:58:02.000 You know, the mechanisms were already in place where young people would come together and find a spouse organically.

00:58:09.000 And, you know, not many people are in a position to put in that much effort to finding someone.

00:58:14.000 And it shouldn't be this hard.

00:58:15.000 This is one of the problems in our culture.

00:58:16.000 It shouldn't be this hard to.

00:58:17.000 Find someone.

00:58:18.000 This used to be kind of a natural course of life events.

00:58:22.000 And your point earlier about, you know, do we live in a patriarchy? 0.97

00:58:26.000 Well, you know, 62% of the bachelor's degrees are awarded to women.

00:58:31.000 You see kind of identical divides for master's degrees and PhDs, professional degrees, and so on.

00:58:39.000 And what sometimes, in response to this, people will say, well, okay, yes, it's the case that early on in education, you're seeing these gaps, but what about at the top?

00:58:47.000 Most of the senior academics, the senior executives, senior politicians, it's still male skewed.

00:58:53.000 But that's only because this is a legacy of when the culture was arguably a bit more patriarchal.

00:59:02.000 But as we move forward in time, as fewer young men go through the sequence of higher education, You're going to see fewer of those senior positions occupied by men.

00:59:14.000 And so, you know, this is going to be difficult, I think, for women.

00:59:19.000 I'm not the first to point this out that generally women like men who are at least as well educated as themselves, at least as, you know, in terms of income equal to themselves in terms of occupational prestige and success.

00:59:33.000 But if women are outperforming men on all of these metrics, they are not going to be satisfied with the pool of.

00:59:40.000 Possible male partners that are available to them.

00:59:44.000 And so, on the one hand, fine, we should have, and you mentioned Helen Andrews earlier. 0.86

00:59:49.000 One thing she points out is that one way to kind of repair this increasing lopsidedness of women succeeding more than men is to just stop putting the thumb on the scale for women.

01:00:02.000 Where, on the one hand, a lot of progressives say they like this slogan, the future is female, we need to have all these programs in place to ensure that women succeed.

01:00:11.000 But then, when they come out on the other end of that, what's the next thing they often want is a partner that they're attracted to and that they want to have a family with.

01:00:18.000 But if we have these slogans and these programs in place that increasingly hobble men from attaining success, then these women aren't going to be happy either. 0.90

01:00:27.000 No one really wins as a result of this. 0.92

01:00:30.000 It would be helpful to go back to a more meritocratic system where people are judged on the merits of their abilities rather than their gender.

01:00:40.000 And this, too, I think is fueling a lot of the political anger.

01:00:44.000 There was that recent New Statesman poll that came out a few weeks ago, which showed I mean, it was very interesting that, you know, something like only, it was in the single digits, I believe it was 7% of young men said they held a negative view of young women.

01:00:44.000 That we're seeing.

01:01:00.000 You know, so despite all the talk about, you know, toxic masculinity and, you know, all of these toxic figures online that young men are supposedly listening to, generally speaking, young men still like young women.

01:01:15.000 But when they ask young women, how do you feel about young men?

01:01:18.000 Um, you know, it was something like 20 plus percent of young women said they held a negative view of young men, much more likely to say they held a negative view of the opposite sex than young men did.

01:01:29.000 And so, you know, where are these women absorbing this information?

01:01:32.000 A lot of that is from social media as well.

01:01:35.000 So, Rob, do you think this is a we'll call it a societal crisis?

01:01:40.000 You've mentioned we could take our thumb off the scale, but is this something we can change our laws to get out of, or do you think it's such a product of modernity it's really only going to be able to solve itself in the sense that?

01:01:51.000 Women and men who hate each other are just not going to reproduce.

01:01:55.000 And the only people who will be around in 80 years are going to be the children of people who got through, let's call it an evolutionary event.

01:02:02.000 The future belongs to those who show up for it, right?

01:02:05.000 Yeah.

01:02:07.000 The evolutionary bottleneck. 1.00

01:02:09.000 You know, I mentioned that slogan, the future is female. 1.00

01:02:09.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:02:12.000 You know, maybe the future is conservative female in the sense that conservative women are having more children than liberal women. 1.00

01:02:21.000 And, you know, they're passing on. 0.97

01:02:23.000 You know, there is a, Kind of a heritable component to political orientation.

01:02:26.000 And so, you know, conservatives tend to have conservative kids in part because they teach them conservative values, but also there is this kind of heritable genetic component to it as well.

01:02:34.000 So, if conservative parents are having conservative kids and they have kids and so on, then this may be a self correcting issue.

01:02:41.000 Sometimes I'll say that I'm short term pessimistic and kind of medium to long term optimistic in the sense that short term pessimistic, because a lot of the trends that we're seeing are alarming with cratering marriage rates, cratering fertility, and so on.

01:02:56.000 But in the long run, people are still having kids, but the ones who are doing it are doing it in a kind of deliberate way.

01:03:03.000 People who are more temperamentally conservative.

01:03:07.000 Who still value family and marriage and those traditional virtues as well.

01:03:14.000 But the duration between now and that point where things start to become more self correcting, things might look kind of ugly in the interim.

01:03:25.000 Well, and let me just throw up this graph right here. 0.64

01:03:28.000 This is young women have become much more liberal, young men, not so much.

01:03:33.000 And this shows from roughly late 90s up to 2023.

01:03:38.000 And you see that growing gap.

01:03:41.000 That has grown between women and men.

01:03:46.000 All right, let's start with a clip of Charlie as we continue our segment with Rob Henderson talking about root causes of the gender war that is forming in this country. 0.95

01:03:56.000 Stop 42. 1.00

01:03:57.000 What is going on with women and not wanting to prioritize family? 0.98

01:04:02.000 Yeah, this is a pattern that I've seen time and time again in these college campuses where young men are ordering their life correctly. 0.81

01:04:09.000 They want to first and foremost have children.

01:04:12.000 Get married and then have a nice job or to be able to travel.

01:04:15.000 If you look deeper into this data, it's completely consistent with other data we've seen the last couple of years. 1.00

01:04:21.000 Young women, they don't value having children. 1.00

01:04:23.000 And this is one of the reasons why we are seeing a fertility collapse in the West. 0.99

01:04:26.000 If you play out the liberal worldview, the Kamala Harris worldview to its furthest possible logical point, you have a country with literally no future.

01:04:36.000 When you play out the logical endpoint of President Trump's agenda of where young men voted for him, You have one of lots of children, increasing communities, and you also don't have a need then for mass immigration.

01:04:48.000 Yeah, well said, Charlie.

01:04:50.000 And we completely agree.

01:04:51.000 So, Rob, I want to talk about root causes, though, right?

01:04:54.000 You mentioned that, you know, what women are getting is apparently what they want, that said they wanted. 0.62

01:04:59.000 They want degrees, they want careers, they want all these things.

01:05:02.000 But then that creates this problem when it comes to finding a spouse because they want men to be higher earners, more prestigious career, that sort of thing, or at least on par.

01:05:14.000 But we're, I mean, this is not going to end in a good place, but let's talk about where it started.

01:05:19.000 Why are we experiencing all of this disconnect, this asymmetry?

01:05:24.000 Well, it's a good question.

01:05:26.000 I think one important reason here, well, you know, people ask, well, why aren't women having as many children as they used to have?

01:05:33.000 Or why is the fertility rate declining? 0.80

01:05:36.000 Sometimes it's helpful to reverse a question, which is, you know, why would women want children in the first place?

01:05:41.000 Why have they historically had children?

01:05:44.000 And I think part of it was that they had a culture in place that valorized motherhood.

01:05:49.000 That, you know, in many cultures, you were not considered a full fledged contributing member of that community as a woman until you had children.

01:05:59.000 And this was celebrated motherhood.

01:06:00.000 Whereas now we live in a society where, you know, one way to look at it, we're egalitarian, where, you know, whether you want to have children, if you don't want to have children, those are equally valid options.

01:06:13.000 You know, another way to look at it is that, We're actively punishing motherhood, that not having children is valorized, that prioritizing your career or being a girl boss or something like that is the more celebrated option.

01:06:27.000 And when young people, young women hear a message like that, they absorb it and decide to delay and maybe even decide not to have children at all.

01:06:40.000 And then it's, having children is difficult, right?

01:06:42.000 Like it requires a lot of work, a lot of effort.

01:06:45.000 They're sort of economically costly, but also sort of personally, socially, emotionally costly as well.

01:06:51.000 But then a way to sort of compensate for those short term burdens was historically to say, okay, your life is a little bit more difficult now, but we're going to treat you with a certain amount of respect and esteem and admiration.

01:07:02.000 For doing this for yourself or the community, you're making these sacrifices.

01:07:06.000 But if you are not receiving those rewards to compensate for those short term burdens, then perhaps it's unsurprising that people would forego doing something like this and all of the kind of associated costs that go along with it.

01:07:20.000 And then there's a long term benefit to having children too, where as you age, what do you have in your life?

01:07:26.000 Your career is not going to sustain and satisfy you forever.

01:07:29.000 You're going to want to have a spouse, you're going to want to have kids and grandkids, you're going to want to have people around who care about you.

01:07:35.000 But if you're kind of young and hedonistic and you've been trained by culture to only value sort of short term, fleeting, enjoyable pursuits, you're not thinking decades down the line in that way.

01:07:48.000 We don't really, we're not really taught to think about what life is like in the future, what it's like to grow old alone.

01:07:55.000 We're not really hearing stories like that.

01:07:57.000 I had a conversation recently with an oncologist, a cancer doctor, who tells me he'll have these elderly male patients.

01:08:07.000 And they'll come in with a woman who seems to be the guy's wife.

01:08:12.000 And the woman will pull the doctor aside and say, just so you know, we got divorced years ago, but I'm the only person he has.

01:08:17.000 I'm the only person in his life.

01:08:18.000 So he asked me to come to the hospital with him.

01:08:21.000 And he's telling me these stories are heartbreaking.

01:08:23.000 These old guys who have no one except their ex wife who only kind of begrudgingly tag along to these hospital visits.

01:08:31.000 But in the future, you can imagine these are divorced couples.

01:08:33.000 Now people aren't getting married at all.

01:08:34.000 They're not even going to have a divorced spouse who will support them as they grow old and ill and so on.

01:08:40.000 Yeah, I mean, that's really depressing, actually. 1.00

01:08:43.000 But I think of feminism in general, it really feels like it's run amok. 0.99

01:08:49.000 I mean, I think of it as one of the three big scourges affecting America nowadays. 0.66

01:08:56.000 And again, we referenced Helen Andrews before, and she charts it the rise of feminism and the rise of female representation in the workplace and different institutions with essentially the rise of wokeness. 0.84

01:09:09.000 She says wokeness is.

01:09:11.000 Basically, it is just feminine ways of doing things, which is you know, you prioritize consensus, you prioritize feelings, you like to avoid conflict, yet it's often like low level conflict within all institutions. 0.98

01:09:27.000 Yeah.

01:09:28.000 And again, so I'm thinking root causes, and it seems like, you know, you see, for example, I saw this video out of the UK from the 1970s, and it was talking about should women work. 0.99

01:09:42.000 And it was like the women were like, well, I don't think they should have a full time job. 0.97

01:09:45.000 They got to be home with the kids. 0.99

01:09:46.000 And you go from 1970s in Great Britain to 2026 across the West.

01:09:53.000 And that attitude has completely shifted. 0.87

01:09:56.000 And you have women freezing their eggs, trying to work their way up through middle management to become a vice president of some shoe company or whatever. 0.90

01:10:03.000 And it breaks my heart because I'm looking at the future for them that they refuse to apparently look at. 0.98

01:10:12.000 And study after study shows that married women with children on the aggregate are happier.

01:10:17.000 They're more satisfied, more fulfilled.

01:10:19.000 I just, I don't know how you turn it around, but I don't know if the men have to, you know, link arms in this giant uprising and take back some ground here or what's going to ultimately give way because it's unsustainable on some level.

01:10:33.000 You know, I was in the lobby of this apartment complex recently, Andrew, and I saw this nanny and she had two children with her.

01:10:40.000 This nanny.

01:10:40.000 So she had a, there was an infant in a stroller and then in her lap was a toddler, probably two or three years old.

01:10:47.000 And this three year old toddler kept saying, Mommy, Mommy, I want Mommy.

01:10:50.000 This was 11 a.m. on a Monday.

01:10:52.000 And the nanny kept saying, You know, mommy's not here.

01:10:54.000 You'll see mommy later.

01:10:55.000 You'll see mommy later.

01:10:56.000 But all this kid would say is mommy.

01:10:57.000 That's it.

01:10:59.000 And the nanny was doing everything.

01:11:00.000 You know, here's an iPad.

01:11:01.000 Here's a toy.

01:11:02.000 Here's a snack.

01:11:03.000 And all the kid said was mommy.

01:11:04.000 That's the only word she would say.

01:11:05.000 And I'm looking at this and thinking, like, this is a heartbreaking scene because no one here is happy.

01:11:10.000 Obviously, the kids aren't happy because they want their mom.

01:11:12.000 The nanny isn't happy because she's put in this awkward position of trying to entertain these kids who, you know, they, you know, she seemed like a nice lady, but that's not their mom.

01:11:20.000 And then the mom's probably unhappy too because she's at work and, you know, I know nothing about her, but I would assume she'd rather be with her kids. 0.97

01:11:26.000 Than in whatever job she has.

01:11:29.000 And so, you know, nobody wins.

01:11:32.000 You know, I don't want to sound like a Marxist here.

01:11:34.000 Maybe capitalism is winning from this arrangement.

01:11:36.000 But, you know, and I'm generally a fan of capitalism.

01:11:39.000 But in this case, you know, someone has to take care of kids. 1.00

01:11:42.000 And if it's not going to be the mother, it's going to be, you know, nannies and other women.

01:11:46.000 What you just said is like so heartbreaking.

01:11:49.000 And, you know, and there's this question that women are often presented.

01:11:53.000 We're about to have our Women's Leadership Summit actually in Texas this weekend.

01:11:58.000 Without fail, The most controversial element that will come out of this women's conference is some student will get up to the mic and ask one of these successful women, you know, that they've followed on social media or whatever, and they'll say, Can you have it all?

01:12:13.000 Can you have it all?

01:12:14.000 And without fail, one of the women will say, Yes, you can. 0.95

01:12:19.000 I'm proof of it or something like that.

01:12:21.000 And then it'll get clipped up and it'll be like, Oh, this is Turning Point's perspective on it.

01:12:26.000 And that's not at all, actually, I think, what our perspective is.

01:12:29.000 Charlie was very critical of that.

01:12:30.000 Charlie would say that. 1.00

01:12:33.000 A woman can maybe have it all, but not all at the same time, was how he would like to phrase it. 1.00

01:12:37.000 Exactly.

01:12:38.000 And candidly, I mean, we were all about encouraging marriage, encouraging family formation, encouraging having children because the culture had become so lopsided in the opposite direction.

01:12:51.000 It's not that that's the only route for people, it's not that it's the only option.

01:12:55.000 This is a free country.

01:12:56.000 You can do what you want, you cannot pursue children and family, or you can.

01:13:00.000 But here's a big warning sign flashing red lights.

01:13:02.000 If you do what the culture is telling you to do, You will probably be miserable and look back with regret at some point.

01:13:08.000 You'll wake up and be 37, having to, like, you know, pursue fertility treatments for this guy that you probably settled on because you couldn't find anybody else that was actually like 10 out of 10 for you.

01:13:18.000 So you settled, you're trying to rush family formation at late stages when you have covered up fertility problems with the pill for years and you didn't even know about.

01:13:26.000 So there's all these horror stories that you hear about.

01:13:30.000 And so we're trying to push this, you know, as you mentioned, celebrating.

01:13:36.000 The more traditional method because it had become so villainized in our culture.

01:13:40.000 And I'm becoming, I think, like I said, there's a four horsemen of the apocalypse in America.

01:13:45.000 I usually name three, but there's probably like five actually. 1.00

01:13:47.000 But it's like the Islamification. 0.98

01:13:49.000 You don't have to agree, Rob, by the way, on any of this, but this is my perspective. 0.65

01:13:52.000 The Islamification of the West, wokeness, feminism, which really is probably just one, and then the Marxist sort of takeover of our institutions. 0.59

01:14:04.000 That's the way I'm looking at it. 0.79

01:14:06.000 This is a red green alliance.

01:14:07.000 You could look at it that way. 1.00

01:14:08.000 But feminism is kind of connected to all of them, actually, because I think it is so unhealthy for a culture to kind of lose sight of its traditional norms and customs and the way that the sexes interact.

01:14:21.000 And I just see it causing such a huge path of devastation in its wake that I'm really worried.

01:14:28.000 I'm genuinely worried about the future of the West.

01:14:31.000 By the way, it's not just America, it's happening throughout Europe.

01:14:33.000 This is why we can't deal with the biggest problems that we face because anytime somebody with a little bit of like testosterone comes and tries to do something, you know, Aggressive or courageous, they get absolutely clobbered by, like, you know, the mainstream news media.

01:14:48.000 Look at what Spencer Pratt is calling it a dark campaign in Los Angeles, and the guy's just calling out homelessness.

01:14:55.000 He's just calling out, like, graft from the NGOs.

01:14:58.000 His house got burned down, and it's dark and divisive.

01:15:01.000 Anyways, that's my rant.

01:15:03.000 Reflect as you will. 1.00

01:15:05.000 Well, you know, the feminism piece, as you were outlining those four challenges, what occurred to me is, you know, feminism. 0.98

01:15:12.000 Can be to some extent folded into kind of wokeness and Marxism.

01:15:17.000 But what's interesting here is that even the Marxists and communists themselves kind of speak out of both sides of their mouth with regard to equal rights for women.

01:15:26.000 So there was, so Mao Zedong famously said, Women hold up half the sky.

01:15:31.000 And he said, you know, things like this in order to get the support of women who, you know, okay, they were oppressed and so on before the communists took over China, women hold up half the sky.

01:15:41.000 And then later, famously, he had this meeting with Henry Kissinger where he offered Henry Kissinger. 0.62

01:15:46.000 To offload 10 million Chinese women to the United States. 0.90

01:15:49.000 And he said that these women are causing chaos in our country.

01:15:52.000 Like, can we give you 10 million of our women? 0.81

01:15:55.000 And Kissinger quietly responded with something like, that's an interesting proposal.

01:15:59.000 We'll have to consider it later.

01:16:00.000 And then I think they never returned to that topic. 0.55

01:16:03.000 But here's Mao saying, oh, women are so wonderful.

01:16:05.000 And then privately, he's like, can we kind of give you some of these people who are causing problems?

01:16:10.000 But anyway, but people don't know that part of the story.

01:16:12.000 They only know the hold up half the sky quote, the Marxists who quote him.

01:16:18.000 But it is a serious problem, and people say, oh, well, immigration is going to fix the fertility crisis.

01:16:23.000 Oh, we'll just bring in more immigrants and they'll sort of compensate for the fertility shortfalls. 0.99

01:16:29.000 But then when you look, this is a band aid, because when you look at the fertility patterns for immigrants and their children and then their grandchildren and so on, they basically start to converge with the native population over time. 1.00

01:16:42.000 And they also have fewer children. 0.96

01:16:43.000 There's something about Western culture.

01:16:46.000 I'm sure technology and so on has something to do with it, but I think there's something inherent to the culture now.

01:16:51.000 That is suppressing fertility, not just for native born people, but for immigrants and their children and grandchildren too.

01:16:57.000 And so, this is not going to be a long term fix.

01:16:59.000 We're going to need something like, you know, getting people to start having babies.

01:17:04.000 And the economic incentives are.

01:17:07.000 Yeah, I totally agree.

01:17:08.000 I think the economic incentives, I mean, basically, there was a tweet this weekend, and I totally agree with it.

01:17:12.000 It was like, in this clown economy, you know, like anybody having kids are essentially heroes now, you know, because they're doing the work of civilization.

01:17:22.000 Well, it's sort of.

01:17:23.000 It's interesting though because you can say we're doing the work of heroes, but that actually gets at a bit of the problem, I think.

01:17:28.000 I totally get it.

01:17:29.000 What I've seen pointed out is society feels a lot more passively anti children to some extent because it used to be basically everyone got married and the assumption was you get married and then you would inevitably have kids really, unless there was a biological impediment to doing so.

01:17:48.000 It just organically happened.

01:17:50.000 Now everything about it is a choice, which means fewer people do it, but also there's almost this.

01:17:57.000 Call it innate libertarianism, even pops up on the right that, well, you chose to have kids.

01:18:02.000 So any issues with your kids are your problem.

01:18:05.000 It's your job to take care of them.

01:18:06.000 It's not society's job to make it easier for you.

01:18:09.000 And I think that certainly drives probably the fewer people having kids, having them later, the sense that they're not prepared to do it.

01:18:17.000 Nobody was prepared to have kids in the past.

01:18:19.000 It just happened.

01:18:20.000 And by the way, that tweet I was referencing was in response to the increasing number of restaurant goers demanding child free areas of the restaurant.

01:18:28.000 Exactly.

01:18:29.000 And it's, you know, and like everything in culture basically will get better if everybody's having kids.

01:18:36.000 You'll start because when you have kids, you think about the safety of your park, you think about the safety of your school, you think about the kind of content they're consuming.

01:18:44.000 But if you're not, you're completely disconnected from that.

01:18:47.000 You're selfishly sort of assuming your own viewpoint in every different context of society, and the parents are left holding the bag trying to like carve out a safe and productive and edifying existence for their children in an increasingly more hostile environment.

01:19:03.000 So it just the odds just continue stacking against it.

01:19:07.000 So, I Again, I don't know exactly if there's a finale or conclusion we can reach here, Rob, but the data, let alone it's concerning, I guess.

01:19:17.000 Yeah.

01:19:17.000 No, no, no.

01:19:18.000 What you're saying, it reminds me, I had this conversation.

01:19:20.000 This was a married couple, they're a middle aged couple.

01:19:22.000 They chose not to have kids.

01:19:23.000 And you mentioned Spencer Pratt earlier.

01:19:25.000 They live in California.

01:19:27.000 And they were telling me how their neighborhood has changed, where now, you know, when they put their garbage bins out at curbside, you know, they'll have like drug addicts and weirdos sort of rifling through their trash now.

01:19:37.000 And they said this wasn't happening six or seven years ago.

01:19:40.000 And I asked, you know, do you call the cops?

01:19:41.000 Like, what do you do when you see people rifling through your trash?

01:19:44.000 And they say, oh, it's no big deal.

01:19:45.000 They're not hurting anyone.

01:19:46.000 You know, maybe they could find something if they need it.

01:19:48.000 That's fine.

01:19:48.000 And then I asked them, what if you guys had kids at home?

01:19:51.000 Would you guys still be okay with it?

01:19:52.000 And then the tune changed.

01:19:53.000 They said, well, that's different.

01:19:54.000 You know, I would be concerned for the kid and so on.

01:19:56.000 But then I asked, there are probably kids in that neighborhood.

01:19:59.000 You know, like you two don't have kids, but there may be.

01:20:01.000 And, you know, and like you're saying, it gets you to start thinking in terms of a community, in terms of a society, in terms of your neighbors and so on, instead of just selfishly, well, we're two adults and, you know, if something bad happens, it's fine.

01:20:12.000 And yeah, it's, I think that sort of turning your attention outward instead of this selfish looking inward of, well, how is this affecting me directly?

01:20:21.000 Or how much do I personally need to care versus, you know, the next generation or, you know, at least your neighbors and those around you?

01:20:27.000 Rob, I would be remiss if we didn't shout out, of course, your Substack, Rob Henderson's newsletter.

01:20:32.000 It's one of the most successful Substacks.

01:20:35.000 I was just opening it and it says it is number one rising in science.

01:20:38.000 So you've been crushing it very well.

01:20:40.000 I encourage people to check it out.

01:20:42.000 And, This is a little off topic, but I see it.

01:20:46.000 If you could just give a minute here because the question fascinates me.

01:20:49.000 Your most recent post is Why Some Smart People Never Get Anywhere.

01:20:54.000 Why do some smart people never get anywhere, Rob?

01:20:57.000 Yeah, well, you know, it's the main point of that post I was elaborating on the personality trait of conscientiousness, which is, you know, simplified somewhat, but basically the willingness to work hard and to be diligent and orderly and organized in your life.

01:21:13.000 And look, you can have.

01:21:14.000 10 people who have high IQs, very smart, very academically inclined, and you will have incredibly wide variation.

01:21:21.000 Some of those 10 people will be successful and some of them will be unsuccessful.

01:21:25.000 They're all smart.

01:21:26.000 What explains this?

01:21:27.000 And a good portion of this is are you conscientious?

01:21:29.000 Do you work hard?

01:21:30.000 Do you prioritize?

01:21:31.000 Do you sacrifice?

01:21:33.000 And so this willingness to exert effort, even if you aren't especially smart, I know people who aren't, you know, they don't like classroom kind of learning.

01:21:41.000 They're not bookish people, but they work really hard and they earn a lot of money and they're very successful.

01:21:46.000 And so the whole point of that was like, yeah, I think we.

01:21:48.000 Especially smart people overvalue smarts and undervalue the importance of work ethic.

01:21:53.000 That is an answer Charlie would certainly love.

01:21:56.000 Yeah, because you can't choose how smart you are necessarily.

01:22:00.000 Your raw horsepower IQ is something you're born with.

01:22:02.000 Maybe you cultivate somewhat, but you can choose two things.

01:22:06.000 You can choose to work harder than everybody else, and you can choose to be courageous.

01:22:10.000 Those are choices that are up to every individual.

01:22:13.000 And that's ultimately a really freeing concept to internalize.

01:22:16.000 Rob Henderson, thank you so much.

01:22:18.000 Thank you for staying a little bit longer for a podcast exclusive here.

01:22:23.000 Yeah, a fascinating conversation.

01:22:24.000 I don't think we've cracked the nut completely, but all of culture would be better if more people got married and had kids.

01:22:32.000 Just the bottom line.

01:22:33.000 It's America.

01:22:34.000 You have the freedom to do it or not do it.

01:22:35.000 But, man, I hope we can start celebrating it more and get back to some, an era where we didn't have a war of the sexes, at least.

01:22:45.000 So, anyways, check out his newsletter and Substack.

01:22:47.000 Congratulations on all the success, Robin.

01:22:49.000 Thanks for joining us.

01:22:50.000 Thanks, Andrew.

01:22:50.000 Thanks, Mike.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - June 01, 2026

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