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00:02:11.000They weren't, he wasn't being bombastic in any way, shape, or form.
00:02:14.000But following that Daily Mail headline that we made much noise about on this show, saying the bullet didn't match the gun, that was fake news clickbait.
00:02:23.000And they made a comment, this prosecutor made a comment to the media clarifying the record.
00:02:28.000He has, the defense wants him held in contempt.
00:02:31.000The judge is going to make a decision on that today.
00:02:33.000Secondly, there are some issues involving video, whether the media will have access to the video.
00:02:39.000Now, they already ruled that the trial itself, Will have cameras.
00:05:05.000Kind of jobless goons show up from around the country and just permanently fixate on it in a way that the right doesn't really do for things.
00:05:13.000Well, they've got foot soldiers, it's one of their biggest strategic assets.
00:05:16.000Yeah, they've got foot soldiers, and there is complaints about the food and you know, all this kind of stuff.
00:05:22.000By the way, they did publish a menu that is available for detainees at the ICE facility, and it's like omelets, fajitas.
00:05:31.000It's so ridiculous, and you just know that they have their way in.
00:05:36.000Five years, ten years, really for decades on end, they'll turn this into some sort of all timer atrocity.0.91
00:05:44.000It'll be, it'll be like, it'll be, it'll literally be like Auschwitz and then Delaney Hall.0.53
00:05:50.000That's the mythology they want to create.
00:05:52.000A lot of the left's ideology is endlessly attempting, frankly, endlessly attempting to recreate the Nazis.
00:05:58.000Everything they have no morality other than fighting Nazis, they have no moral conceptions other than make sure World War II and the Holocaust doesn't happen again.
00:06:08.000It's a very Childish and immature morality, but it's one that they've gotten a lot of mileage out of.0.54
00:06:14.000Well, and so while we're sort of waiting for those clips from the hearing, we are going to be talking a little bit about Graham Platner because this race I don't believe we've given enough attention to.
00:06:27.000But he's, of course, running to be the next senator from the state of Maine.
00:06:31.000He's going up against Susan Collins, who is, yeah, she's a Republican, she's a moderate, she votes with us, votes against us.
00:06:38.000But in Charlie's words, we always graded.
00:06:40.000Susan Collins on a scale, on a sliding scale, because she was always there when we needed her.
00:06:46.000Whether that be justices, judges, there's a lot of vote trading that goes on.
00:06:50.000And if that makes her electable in the state of Maine, a blue state where we're not going to get anybody better, I'm here for it.
00:06:55.000We lay off Susan Collins, even though it can be frustrating at times.
00:06:59.000But the big news over the weekend was that Graham Plattner, this guy who used to have a Nazi tattoo on his chest, he got it removed.
00:07:06.000He didn't even remove it, he had covered it up.
00:07:09.000And then he's also made comments about military vets, Purple Heart.
00:07:14.000Saying they didn't deserve to live.0.99
00:07:16.000The guy's a total creep and a scumbag in basically every conceivable way, but he's kind of going the John Fetterman route where he doesn't wear a suit and tie.0.99
00:07:45.000We'll call them dating apps to be generous, but some have accused this specific app called the Kick App to be essentially a sexual exploitation app.
00:07:53.000He's quoted as saying he's got really loose morals when it comes to this type of thing.
00:07:58.000He's very flexible about it, but he is married.
00:08:01.000And what's interesting now is that his wife, this has become a big controversy, but his wife has now come out and basically defended him.
00:08:12.000I find it really shameful that there's a group of media outlets and people who are willing to spread gossip.
00:08:24.000Instead of talking about real issues that Graham is running on, I just really wanted to make sure that everyone knows that Graham and I have a great marriage.
00:10:57.000It's very clear to me that Judge Graff is being very deliberate, very careful.
00:11:03.000And again, we've laid this out on this show before, we've talked with experts about this.
00:11:08.000This whole trial, there is such a mountain of evidence against Tyler Robinson that you're already kind of, you know, and we've had this explained to us.
00:11:17.000These, both the prosecution and the defense are playing for appeals.
00:11:47.000So we've got, yeah, accordingly, this is a quote from Judge Graff the court grants defendant's motion for order to show cause.
00:11:54.000The issuance of this order reflects a determination that defendant has made a sufficient preliminary showing under Utah law to warrant further proceedings and does not constitute a finding of contempt.
00:12:08.000On cameras, the court, however, acknowledges defendant's pending motion in Lemine to preclude 1102 evidence and reserving ruling on that issue.
00:12:19.000Until the matter has been fully briefed and heard.
00:12:23.000To Blake's earlier point, it's all going to be public, though.
00:12:26.000That's where this is the order of the court.
00:12:29.000Which is to deny the defendant's belief.
00:13:48.000She had to go and find the text messages, and then she'd reported them to basically, she reported them to the campaign that she'd found these things.
00:14:39.000How about people just take some responsibility for themselves and not get so f***ed up they wind up having sex with someone they don't mean to?1.00
00:14:46.000If you're so worried about it to buy Kevlar underwear, you'd think you might not get blacked out f***ed up around people you aren't comfortable with.1.00
00:15:15.000So we have an adulterous Nazi tattoo Redditor.
00:15:18.000Not very pleasant, but I think there's something important to note here, which is this stuff has been trickling out for him for months, about a year now.
00:15:27.000His campaign has only gained momentum.
00:15:29.000The sitting governor of Maine, Janet Mills, dropped out of the race because she was basically going to get massacred by him and didn't want to get humiliated going all the way.
00:15:42.000There are polls that show him actually leading the incumbent Republican senator, Susan Collins.
00:15:48.000Now, that doesn't mean we're going to lose.
00:15:50.000Susan Collins trailed every poll the last time that she ran and actually won easily.1.00
00:15:55.000She does seem to have special poll defying powers.
00:15:58.000But there's real reasons for concern in this race.
00:16:01.000And I think it signals something worrisome or important, which is Democrats, they've internalized some of the logic of Donald Trump himself, which is just steamroll through everything, apologize for nothing.
00:16:15.000At least among Democrats, you can get away with a lot now because everything is secondary to just get the win, take down the Republicans, and they'll pick whoever they want.
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00:17:41.000Welcoming now to the show is Rachel Campos Duffy, one of our friends and favorites, author of All American Patriotism, a new book out, and she's also the co host of Fox and Friends Weekend.
00:18:29.000I know people are really responding to it.
00:18:32.000I think that there's a desire to return to the way, frankly, the way we Gen Xers were raised, you know, where we were just raised to love this country.
00:18:44.000And when we talked about wanting to fix America or change something, a policy, or make it better or restore it, it was through this prism of love.
00:19:11.000And I think over the last couple generations, because of Howard Zinn and this sort of Marxist perspective that has been foisted on America's youth from K through college, they're getting it.
00:19:24.000It's really the primary source of history that's being taught right now.
00:19:29.000We're just seeing kids being very ambivalent about America, very, you know, almost embarrassed or ashamed of our history and our founding.
00:19:40.000And so, this book is really about turning the page on that, especially with this incredible 250th anniversary that we're about to celebrate, and saying it's time to embrace America, to love her again, to be proud of her, to go out and see her on a road trip with your friends, go out or your family, and really start to reconnect with each other.
00:20:06.000And so, each chapter, Andrew, is an essay.
00:20:10.000So, I asked my favorite friends at Fox, different hosts from different places and regions in America.
00:20:24.000I wrote an introduction to each of those chapters.
00:20:27.000I wrote my own chapter and I wrote an introduction to the book.
00:20:31.000And that's sort of how the book is put together.
00:20:34.000And yes, I asked Erica to do the forward because I was wanting to ask Charlie to do it.
00:20:43.000Because, you know, Next to President Trump, who else represents being the ultimate cheerleader for America?
00:20:51.000No one publicly pronounced their love for America more than Charlie Kirk and President Donald Trump.
00:20:57.000And Charlie Kirk had such a connection to young people, and I wanted young people to read this book.
00:21:03.000And the feedback I'm getting about it from young people is they are sort of, I'm not going to say jealous, but they pine for the way I was raised, which was, as I said, to just.
00:21:16.000We were just raised to love America and not to be ashamed of it.
00:21:19.000In fact, to proclaim how exceptional it was all the time.
00:22:44.000And I got a chance to read that, you know, before, I guess once they submitted it to you guys, and I just thought she did a great job celebrating Charlie, celebrating the country.
00:24:21.000So, when I was a little girl in 1976, my parents, and I will get to the controversy, but I want to set this up first.
00:24:30.000My father is a first generation Mexican American born here in Arizona.
00:24:35.000And my mother met him when he was stationed abroad in Spain, and she's from Spain, and she became a citizen when I was in kindergarten.
00:24:42.000And it was around that time that, you know, America turned 200.
00:24:47.000And my parents loaded up the four of us kids into a station wagon, a brown station wagon, and we drove to Philadelphia across the country to see the Liberty Bell and to go to Independence Hall.
00:25:00.000And I remember just thinking, this place must be really important.
00:25:03.000Our parents brought us all the way here to see this, and it was very formative for us.
00:25:08.000And I think a lot of road trips are, they're bonding and they're wonderful.
00:25:11.000And so when President Trump said, listen to the cabinet, you're going to, you know, we're going to celebrate 250 years while I am in office.
00:25:21.000And so I want every department to come up with a way to celebrate America's 250th birthday.
00:25:26.000And Sean, of course, is the Secretary of Transportation.
00:25:29.000He's charged not just with transportation and safety, but also with promoting infrastructure and travel.
00:25:38.000Bring back the great American road trip.
00:25:40.000I don't think people are taking road trips the way they used to.
00:25:43.000When Sean and I were kids, it was very unusual to jump on an airplane, for example.
00:25:48.000You know, everybody, the only time I got on an airplane, you guys, was when my dad was moving to a different base, usually overseas, and the government paid for the airplane ride for all of us to go.
00:25:59.000But if we were going anywhere, we were jumping in the car because that was just what people did back then.
00:26:04.000And so he's like, let's bring it back.
00:26:05.000And so bonding as a family, you do these, Awesome stops at diners.
00:26:11.000We have the most amazing landscape and geography here in America.
00:26:16.000And so he said, let's bring back the great American road trip.
00:26:20.000And America 250, as you know, has all these corporate sponsors.
00:26:24.000So there was a nonprofit that was set up, and these different corporations are wrapping, they're spending money through this nonprofit to wrap up airplanes and buses and America 250 logos.
00:26:38.000And this idea of bringing back the road trip was brought up.
00:26:41.000And we said, let's hit a couple sites, the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Philadelphia, Florida, South Carolina.
00:27:13.000We've been asked for the last 20 years to actually participate in a reality by probably 12 different production companies, including the one that did The Kardashians and Real World.
00:27:27.000And so then we said, you know what, if we're going to do it, let's just do like a little limited five episode, you know, we're going across the country.
00:28:57.000And I want Trump's name off the Kennedy Center and the $250 bill.
00:29:02.000If you know, burn all those $250 bills.
00:29:04.000I mean, she's basically saying she wants to go back to the way DC was before.
00:29:09.000It doesn't matter if he's made it better.
00:29:11.000If Trump's like, it feels like we are back to this moment where the left is unified over one thing.
00:29:18.000We were talking about this Graham Platner character in Maine, how the sexting and the like crazy Reddit comments, and he calls himself a communist.
00:29:27.000It doesn't seem to matter as long as you are aligned against Trump.
00:29:31.000It doesn't matter that things are more beautiful and safer in DC.
00:29:53.000I mean, I even thought about the concert.
00:29:55.000Remember that President Trump, in celebration of America 250, was going to do the Great American Fair, which was a great concept, right on the mall in Washington, D.C.
00:30:05.000And then, of course, have a concert like every fair does.
00:30:08.000And, you know, again, we were back to where the artists, the Hollywood artists, you know, music artists were not either didn't want to or were too scared of being canceled if they participated in this.
00:30:23.000And so there were just a lot of, I mean, let's be frank, C listers, D listers that were there.
00:30:30.000And with the exception, I mean, Flo Rida, I love him.
00:30:33.000So I don't, and he, by the way, he's one of the few who said no matter what, he's going to do it.
00:31:23.000And so, yeah, I mean, and with the beautification, you're right.
00:31:26.000I mean, my husband broke ground or cut a ribbon, I should say, cut a ribbon just last week with Secretary Burgum in front of Union Station.
00:31:56.000Around the time my husband first took office as Secretary of Transportation, and there was a shooting there, and everyone had to be cleared out.
00:32:03.000I mean, look at that before and after, Rachel.
00:32:33.000And we had a whole segment on our Thought Crime show, which is our Thursday night streaming show with Jack Posobic and Blake and I and Tyler and a whole cast of characters.0.98
00:32:42.000And we were just reflecting on the fact that the Bicentennial versus the 250, just the unity of the country has been so chipped away at that we can't even have a concert with a bunch of has-beens.0.92
00:32:54.000Even they're giving us the attitude.0.98
00:32:57.000And my whole reaction to it is: you know what?0.97
00:33:06.000I'm not a huge boycott guy, but I will use them when needed.0.96
00:33:10.000I will never, they mean nothing to me now.
00:33:13.000Because to your point, it's like you can't even come around celebrating all 50 states and the territories.
00:33:18.000And it was supposed to be a bipartisan commission.
00:33:20.000The bipartisan commission didn't do anything.
00:33:23.000And I will say, a lot of people have been asking, like Turning Point, to get involved because we do these events and we do the production and we do it really well.
00:33:31.000I would just say, listen, As somebody who's seen the insider workings of this, it's hard.
00:33:37.000It's very hard to pull off these events.
00:33:39.000We make it look really easy, but it's really hard, especially when you're on the conservative side of the ledger and there's so much pressure on these Hollywood folks and the entertainment folks not to get involved.
00:33:48.000And it's a real tragedy, though, for our country because this is supposed to be bipartisan.
00:35:23.000Do you know what I talk about in this book?
00:35:25.000My mom and dad made sure that I learned English first in the 1970s when they were, when they, and I talk about this in the book, when they were, you know, experimenting.
00:35:38.000Let it be said, my mom pulled me out of bilingual education because she wanted me to be an American first.
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00:37:19.000We're going to get into the Delaney Hall fiasco, which is another mess that the left is trying to stir up around ICE and their anti ICE protests.
00:37:27.000They think they're going to get the big ROI that they got out of Minnesota.
00:39:29.000A lot of them are actual, sort of what the left would define as criminals.
00:39:33.000I define all of them as criminals because they broke into our country and we don't want them here.0.80
00:39:38.000But, and by the way, you should pull up those details on the white pill on how the average time and country that most of these detainees have been here.0.93
00:39:51.000A menu of food that they're getting served oatmeal, pancakes, scrambled eggs, grilled potatoes, chicken breakfast meat, cream of rice, dry cereal, milk, coffee.
00:40:58.000And the thing that concerned me with looking at some of the videos, and I want to know if you guys saw this as well, was they had gas masks.
00:41:07.000They had really well equipped, almost tactical gear that had to have cost tens and tens of thousands of dollars.
00:41:15.000What did you guys see just as far as an organizational and sophistication level on the ground?
00:41:20.000Bo or Gabe, I don't know who wants to take this over.
00:41:25.000It's a very good point that you bring up because Nick Sortor.
00:41:29.000Even reported this that when people were donating, they weren't asking for water or food, they were asking for rioting material.
00:41:39.000They were getting these masks shipped over to them, and everyone on the ground had these masks, had goggles on because they were prepared for war.
00:41:49.000These weren't people that were needing food for extra time, these were simply people that were prepared for war with our country.
00:41:59.000I mean, these are sophisticated ops that are being run.
00:42:03.000And then the media covers them like it's just a bunch of concerned citizens really upset about the illegals held at Delaney Hall.
00:42:09.000Yeah, no, I think that these people are definitely prepared to go out there and be fighting, be violent.
00:42:16.000I mean, you know, you could attribute it a bit to probably our education system at some point.
00:42:22.000You know, these people think that they are like the founding fathers.
00:42:25.000You know, they think that they are fighting for something greater than them, which, you know, they're completely misguided.
00:42:30.000You can see in the videos, all these people are basically fighting to protect criminals, firstly, but secondly, they are, you know, Attacking agents, you know, people who work for this country who are just trying to keep the community safer and they believe that they are all, you know, evil Nazi types, according to them, you know.
00:42:51.000So, Blake, you had an insight over the weekend.
00:43:07.000So, this is, I believe, the Washington Post was just analyzing the average, the median number of days that a person getting removed from the United States had been in the United States.
00:43:18.000And for a very long time, including even in President Trump's first term, the average was a person had been on average in the U.S. a few days, a few weeks.
00:43:27.000So, that mostly captures people who cross the border, get caught, get sent back out.
00:43:50.000And so the typical person getting sent out is someone who's been in the United States a long time, when previously it was widely known if you could get into the United States, get past the first wave of defense, sanctuary cities, ICE priorities, and all these other things would conspire to basically mean you'd never get sent home.
00:44:08.000And that's finally getting broken up by this administration.
00:44:11.000Which is why I think they're so upset.
00:44:13.000But, like, I can't get over the fact that if there are signal chats being exposed right now, I am being told from sources at DHS and Treasury, these are being sussed out.
00:47:25.000Look, you got the flag, the rainbow flag incorporated into the MLB logo.
00:47:33.000The Dodgers are doing it, minor league baseball's doing it.
00:47:37.000The Minnesota Twins, which nobody's surprised by.
00:47:41.000And then you've got a bunch of the football teams going on on social media the Eagles, the Buffalo Bills, the Dolphins, the Washington Commanders, Washington Redskins.
00:49:05.000I just like, I go back to the fact that pride is one of the seven deadly sins.
00:49:09.000I think you can tell the fact that it started as.1.00
00:49:14.000Gay pride, but it's now just become generalized pride, and it's the way they eagerly add every new thing to it.0.57
00:49:22.000And so, it's not even specifically about being gay, it's almost just if you LGBTQ, LGBT, and you know, two spirit and missing and murder, you know, what was that?0.62
00:49:32.000MMIWP, uh, MI, whatever the thing from Canada.0.73
00:49:36.000It's really you can add any identity to it almost as long as it's against the setup that we know has worked for thousands of years to keep civilization going.
00:50:57.000You want to celebrate a nuclear family.0.99
00:50:59.000You want to celebrate couples getting married, buying homes, having kids.0.93
00:51:04.000You don't want to celebrate all the exceptions to the rule.
00:51:08.000When did we become a country that only celebrates the exceptions to the rule?
00:51:12.000And I get like this when it comes to immigration.
00:51:16.000How many times have you had the proud, noble immigrant rising from the bottom story?
00:51:22.000Why don't we ever tell the story about an American kid who was born in a single family home that did all the right things, went to school, got a good job, married his wife, had some kids?
00:51:35.000Because that's actually what we're trying to create.
00:51:37.000You know, and I'm reminded of the fact that Charlie said if he was ever in political office, what he would do is devote himself to the restoration of the American family.
00:51:46.000And here we have a whole month that basically is working against it.
00:51:50.000And you can call me a bigot, you can call me closed minded, I don't care.
00:51:54.000It works against God's design, the beautiful design, the foundational elements, the building blocks of a successful society.
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00:54:56.000Rob, I wanted to have you on because there's been a series of, I would call them great debates on X, on social media, about a couple of things revolving around conservative versus liberal parenting, fertility rates.
00:55:12.000There's been the gender gap in higher education, how many are getting degrees.
00:55:17.000And it's just, I think the numbers now that 62% of degrees are awarded to women.
00:55:23.000And we've had authors like Helen Anderson on the show who has talked about this and talked about the great feminization of.
00:55:31.000And so there's really limitless places we could start to have this discussion, but the macro data is emerging and it feels like we're still talking and raging against the patriarchy, but it's like that era is gone, it seems like.
00:55:48.000You know, here, I'll just start with one graph, Rob, and then I'll give it to you.
00:56:39.000It's not just in terms of opinion now where we're becoming polarized, but in terms of action, family formation, marriage, child rearing.
00:56:48.000And, you know, you're completely right.
00:56:50.000I think that increasingly you have to set out to make a plan to have a family.
00:56:58.000I think in the past, because we had these cultural guardrails in place, you had this kind of life script that was widely known and taught throughout the culture, parenting, schools, families, and so on that this is.
00:57:35.000Most of my friends are guys, and they're educated, they're smart, they're successful in their careers.
00:57:39.000And they tell me that they literally have to treat it as a second job to find a suitable partner.
00:57:45.000Where they put in, you know, they basically put their careers temporarily on pause to prioritize how do I find a suitable spouse?
00:57:52.000How, you know, do I screen for someone who shares the same values as me and settle down and have a relationship and then get married and then have kids?
00:58:01.000You didn't used to have to do that.0.65
00:58:02.000You know, the mechanisms were already in place where young people would come together and find a spouse organically.
00:58:09.000And, you know, not many people are in a position to put in that much effort to finding someone.
00:58:18.000This used to be kind of a natural course of life events.
00:58:22.000And your point earlier about, you know, do we live in a patriarchy?0.97
00:58:26.000Well, you know, 62% of the bachelor's degrees are awarded to women.
00:58:31.000You see kind of identical divides for master's degrees and PhDs, professional degrees, and so on.
00:58:39.000And what sometimes, in response to this, people will say, well, okay, yes, it's the case that early on in education, you're seeing these gaps, but what about at the top?
00:58:47.000Most of the senior academics, the senior executives, senior politicians, it's still male skewed.
00:58:53.000But that's only because this is a legacy of when the culture was arguably a bit more patriarchal.
00:59:02.000But as we move forward in time, as fewer young men go through the sequence of higher education, You're going to see fewer of those senior positions occupied by men.
00:59:14.000And so, you know, this is going to be difficult, I think, for women.
00:59:19.000I'm not the first to point this out that generally women like men who are at least as well educated as themselves, at least as, you know, in terms of income equal to themselves in terms of occupational prestige and success.
00:59:33.000But if women are outperforming men on all of these metrics, they are not going to be satisfied with the pool of.
00:59:40.000Possible male partners that are available to them.
00:59:44.000And so, on the one hand, fine, we should have, and you mentioned Helen Andrews earlier.0.86
00:59:49.000One thing she points out is that one way to kind of repair this increasing lopsidedness of women succeeding more than men is to just stop putting the thumb on the scale for women.
01:00:02.000Where, on the one hand, a lot of progressives say they like this slogan, the future is female, we need to have all these programs in place to ensure that women succeed.
01:00:11.000But then, when they come out on the other end of that, what's the next thing they often want is a partner that they're attracted to and that they want to have a family with.
01:00:18.000But if we have these slogans and these programs in place that increasingly hobble men from attaining success, then these women aren't going to be happy either.0.90
01:00:27.000No one really wins as a result of this.0.92
01:00:30.000It would be helpful to go back to a more meritocratic system where people are judged on the merits of their abilities rather than their gender.
01:00:40.000And this, too, I think is fueling a lot of the political anger.
01:00:44.000There was that recent New Statesman poll that came out a few weeks ago, which showed I mean, it was very interesting that, you know, something like only, it was in the single digits, I believe it was 7% of young men said they held a negative view of young women.
01:01:00.000You know, so despite all the talk about, you know, toxic masculinity and, you know, all of these toxic figures online that young men are supposedly listening to, generally speaking, young men still like young women.
01:01:15.000But when they ask young women, how do you feel about young men?
01:01:18.000Um, you know, it was something like 20 plus percent of young women said they held a negative view of young men, much more likely to say they held a negative view of the opposite sex than young men did.
01:01:29.000And so, you know, where are these women absorbing this information?
01:01:32.000A lot of that is from social media as well.
01:01:35.000So, Rob, do you think this is a we'll call it a societal crisis?
01:01:40.000You've mentioned we could take our thumb off the scale, but is this something we can change our laws to get out of, or do you think it's such a product of modernity it's really only going to be able to solve itself in the sense that?
01:01:51.000Women and men who hate each other are just not going to reproduce.
01:01:55.000And the only people who will be around in 80 years are going to be the children of people who got through, let's call it an evolutionary event.
01:02:02.000The future belongs to those who show up for it, right?
01:02:12.000You know, maybe the future is conservative female in the sense that conservative women are having more children than liberal women.1.00
01:02:21.000And, you know, they're passing on.0.97
01:02:23.000You know, there is a, Kind of a heritable component to political orientation.
01:02:26.000And so, you know, conservatives tend to have conservative kids in part because they teach them conservative values, but also there is this kind of heritable genetic component to it as well.
01:02:34.000So, if conservative parents are having conservative kids and they have kids and so on, then this may be a self correcting issue.
01:02:41.000Sometimes I'll say that I'm short term pessimistic and kind of medium to long term optimistic in the sense that short term pessimistic, because a lot of the trends that we're seeing are alarming with cratering marriage rates, cratering fertility, and so on.
01:02:56.000But in the long run, people are still having kids, but the ones who are doing it are doing it in a kind of deliberate way.
01:03:03.000People who are more temperamentally conservative.
01:03:07.000Who still value family and marriage and those traditional virtues as well.
01:03:14.000But the duration between now and that point where things start to become more self correcting, things might look kind of ugly in the interim.
01:03:25.000Well, and let me just throw up this graph right here.0.64
01:03:28.000This is young women have become much more liberal, young men, not so much.
01:03:33.000And this shows from roughly late 90s up to 2023.
01:03:46.000All right, let's start with a clip of Charlie as we continue our segment with Rob Henderson talking about root causes of the gender war that is forming in this country.0.95
01:03:57.000What is going on with women and not wanting to prioritize family?0.98
01:04:02.000Yeah, this is a pattern that I've seen time and time again in these college campuses where young men are ordering their life correctly.0.81
01:04:09.000They want to first and foremost have children.
01:04:12.000Get married and then have a nice job or to be able to travel.
01:04:15.000If you look deeper into this data, it's completely consistent with other data we've seen the last couple of years.1.00
01:04:21.000Young women, they don't value having children.1.00
01:04:23.000And this is one of the reasons why we are seeing a fertility collapse in the West.0.99
01:04:26.000If you play out the liberal worldview, the Kamala Harris worldview to its furthest possible logical point, you have a country with literally no future.
01:04:36.000When you play out the logical endpoint of President Trump's agenda of where young men voted for him, You have one of lots of children, increasing communities, and you also don't have a need then for mass immigration.
01:04:51.000So, Rob, I want to talk about root causes, though, right?
01:04:54.000You mentioned that, you know, what women are getting is apparently what they want, that said they wanted.0.62
01:04:59.000They want degrees, they want careers, they want all these things.
01:05:02.000But then that creates this problem when it comes to finding a spouse because they want men to be higher earners, more prestigious career, that sort of thing, or at least on par.
01:05:14.000But we're, I mean, this is not going to end in a good place, but let's talk about where it started.
01:05:19.000Why are we experiencing all of this disconnect, this asymmetry?
01:05:26.000I think one important reason here, well, you know, people ask, well, why aren't women having as many children as they used to have?
01:05:33.000Or why is the fertility rate declining?0.80
01:05:36.000Sometimes it's helpful to reverse a question, which is, you know, why would women want children in the first place?
01:05:41.000Why have they historically had children?
01:05:44.000And I think part of it was that they had a culture in place that valorized motherhood.
01:05:49.000That, you know, in many cultures, you were not considered a full fledged contributing member of that community as a woman until you had children.
01:06:00.000Whereas now we live in a society where, you know, one way to look at it, we're egalitarian, where, you know, whether you want to have children, if you don't want to have children, those are equally valid options.
01:06:13.000You know, another way to look at it is that, We're actively punishing motherhood, that not having children is valorized, that prioritizing your career or being a girl boss or something like that is the more celebrated option.
01:06:27.000And when young people, young women hear a message like that, they absorb it and decide to delay and maybe even decide not to have children at all.
01:06:40.000And then it's, having children is difficult, right?
01:06:42.000Like it requires a lot of work, a lot of effort.
01:06:45.000They're sort of economically costly, but also sort of personally, socially, emotionally costly as well.
01:06:51.000But then a way to sort of compensate for those short term burdens was historically to say, okay, your life is a little bit more difficult now, but we're going to treat you with a certain amount of respect and esteem and admiration.
01:07:02.000For doing this for yourself or the community, you're making these sacrifices.
01:07:06.000But if you are not receiving those rewards to compensate for those short term burdens, then perhaps it's unsurprising that people would forego doing something like this and all of the kind of associated costs that go along with it.
01:07:20.000And then there's a long term benefit to having children too, where as you age, what do you have in your life?
01:07:26.000Your career is not going to sustain and satisfy you forever.
01:07:29.000You're going to want to have a spouse, you're going to want to have kids and grandkids, you're going to want to have people around who care about you.
01:07:35.000But if you're kind of young and hedonistic and you've been trained by culture to only value sort of short term, fleeting, enjoyable pursuits, you're not thinking decades down the line in that way.
01:07:48.000We don't really, we're not really taught to think about what life is like in the future, what it's like to grow old alone.
01:07:55.000We're not really hearing stories like that.
01:07:57.000I had a conversation recently with an oncologist, a cancer doctor, who tells me he'll have these elderly male patients.
01:08:07.000And they'll come in with a woman who seems to be the guy's wife.
01:08:12.000And the woman will pull the doctor aside and say, just so you know, we got divorced years ago, but I'm the only person he has.
01:08:18.000So he asked me to come to the hospital with him.
01:08:21.000And he's telling me these stories are heartbreaking.
01:08:23.000These old guys who have no one except their ex wife who only kind of begrudgingly tag along to these hospital visits.
01:08:31.000But in the future, you can imagine these are divorced couples.
01:08:33.000Now people aren't getting married at all.
01:08:34.000They're not even going to have a divorced spouse who will support them as they grow old and ill and so on.
01:08:40.000Yeah, I mean, that's really depressing, actually.1.00
01:08:43.000But I think of feminism in general, it really feels like it's run amok.0.99
01:08:49.000I mean, I think of it as one of the three big scourges affecting America nowadays.0.66
01:08:56.000And again, we referenced Helen Andrews before, and she charts it the rise of feminism and the rise of female representation in the workplace and different institutions with essentially the rise of wokeness.0.84
01:09:11.000Basically, it is just feminine ways of doing things, which is you know, you prioritize consensus, you prioritize feelings, you like to avoid conflict, yet it's often like low level conflict within all institutions.0.98
01:09:28.000And again, so I'm thinking root causes, and it seems like, you know, you see, for example, I saw this video out of the UK from the 1970s, and it was talking about should women work.0.99
01:09:42.000And it was like the women were like, well, I don't think they should have a full time job.0.97
01:09:45.000They got to be home with the kids.0.99
01:09:46.000And you go from 1970s in Great Britain to 2026 across the West.
01:09:53.000And that attitude has completely shifted.0.87
01:09:56.000And you have women freezing their eggs, trying to work their way up through middle management to become a vice president of some shoe company or whatever.0.90
01:10:03.000And it breaks my heart because I'm looking at the future for them that they refuse to apparently look at.0.98
01:10:12.000And study after study shows that married women with children on the aggregate are happier.
01:10:17.000They're more satisfied, more fulfilled.
01:10:19.000I just, I don't know how you turn it around, but I don't know if the men have to, you know, link arms in this giant uprising and take back some ground here or what's going to ultimately give way because it's unsustainable on some level.
01:10:33.000You know, I was in the lobby of this apartment complex recently, Andrew, and I saw this nanny and she had two children with her.
01:11:05.000And I'm looking at this and thinking, like, this is a heartbreaking scene because no one here is happy.
01:11:10.000Obviously, the kids aren't happy because they want their mom.
01:11:12.000The nanny isn't happy because she's put in this awkward position of trying to entertain these kids who, you know, they, you know, she seemed like a nice lady, but that's not their mom.
01:11:20.000And then the mom's probably unhappy too because she's at work and, you know, I know nothing about her, but I would assume she'd rather be with her kids.0.97
01:11:32.000You know, I don't want to sound like a Marxist here.
01:11:34.000Maybe capitalism is winning from this arrangement.
01:11:36.000But, you know, and I'm generally a fan of capitalism.
01:11:39.000But in this case, you know, someone has to take care of kids.1.00
01:11:42.000And if it's not going to be the mother, it's going to be, you know, nannies and other women.
01:11:46.000What you just said is like so heartbreaking.
01:11:49.000And, you know, and there's this question that women are often presented.
01:11:53.000We're about to have our Women's Leadership Summit actually in Texas this weekend.
01:11:58.000Without fail, The most controversial element that will come out of this women's conference is some student will get up to the mic and ask one of these successful women, you know, that they've followed on social media or whatever, and they'll say, Can you have it all?
01:12:38.000And candidly, I mean, we were all about encouraging marriage, encouraging family formation, encouraging having children because the culture had become so lopsided in the opposite direction.
01:12:51.000It's not that that's the only route for people, it's not that it's the only option.
01:12:56.000You can do what you want, you cannot pursue children and family, or you can.
01:13:00.000But here's a big warning sign flashing red lights.
01:13:02.000If you do what the culture is telling you to do, You will probably be miserable and look back with regret at some point.
01:13:08.000You'll wake up and be 37, having to, like, you know, pursue fertility treatments for this guy that you probably settled on because you couldn't find anybody else that was actually like 10 out of 10 for you.
01:13:18.000So you settled, you're trying to rush family formation at late stages when you have covered up fertility problems with the pill for years and you didn't even know about.
01:13:26.000So there's all these horror stories that you hear about.
01:13:30.000And so we're trying to push this, you know, as you mentioned, celebrating.
01:13:36.000The more traditional method because it had become so villainized in our culture.
01:13:40.000And I'm becoming, I think, like I said, there's a four horsemen of the apocalypse in America.
01:13:45.000I usually name three, but there's probably like five actually.1.00
01:13:49.000You don't have to agree, Rob, by the way, on any of this, but this is my perspective.0.65
01:13:52.000The Islamification of the West, wokeness, feminism, which really is probably just one, and then the Marxist sort of takeover of our institutions.0.59
01:14:08.000But feminism is kind of connected to all of them, actually, because I think it is so unhealthy for a culture to kind of lose sight of its traditional norms and customs and the way that the sexes interact.
01:14:21.000And I just see it causing such a huge path of devastation in its wake that I'm really worried.
01:14:28.000I'm genuinely worried about the future of the West.
01:14:31.000By the way, it's not just America, it's happening throughout Europe.
01:14:33.000This is why we can't deal with the biggest problems that we face because anytime somebody with a little bit of like testosterone comes and tries to do something, you know, Aggressive or courageous, they get absolutely clobbered by, like, you know, the mainstream news media.
01:14:48.000Look at what Spencer Pratt is calling it a dark campaign in Los Angeles, and the guy's just calling out homelessness.
01:14:55.000He's just calling out, like, graft from the NGOs.
01:14:58.000His house got burned down, and it's dark and divisive.
01:15:05.000Well, you know, the feminism piece, as you were outlining those four challenges, what occurred to me is, you know, feminism.0.98
01:15:12.000Can be to some extent folded into kind of wokeness and Marxism.
01:15:17.000But what's interesting here is that even the Marxists and communists themselves kind of speak out of both sides of their mouth with regard to equal rights for women.
01:15:26.000So there was, so Mao Zedong famously said, Women hold up half the sky.
01:15:31.000And he said, you know, things like this in order to get the support of women who, you know, okay, they were oppressed and so on before the communists took over China, women hold up half the sky.
01:15:41.000And then later, famously, he had this meeting with Henry Kissinger where he offered Henry Kissinger.0.62
01:15:46.000To offload 10 million Chinese women to the United States.0.90
01:15:49.000And he said that these women are causing chaos in our country.
01:15:52.000Like, can we give you 10 million of our women?0.81
01:15:55.000And Kissinger quietly responded with something like, that's an interesting proposal.
01:16:00.000And then I think they never returned to that topic.0.55
01:16:03.000But here's Mao saying, oh, women are so wonderful.
01:16:05.000And then privately, he's like, can we kind of give you some of these people who are causing problems?
01:16:10.000But anyway, but people don't know that part of the story.
01:16:12.000They only know the hold up half the sky quote, the Marxists who quote him.
01:16:18.000But it is a serious problem, and people say, oh, well, immigration is going to fix the fertility crisis.
01:16:23.000Oh, we'll just bring in more immigrants and they'll sort of compensate for the fertility shortfalls.0.99
01:16:29.000But then when you look, this is a band aid, because when you look at the fertility patterns for immigrants and their children and then their grandchildren and so on, they basically start to converge with the native population over time.1.00
01:16:42.000And they also have fewer children.0.96
01:16:43.000There's something about Western culture.
01:16:46.000I'm sure technology and so on has something to do with it, but I think there's something inherent to the culture now.
01:16:51.000That is suppressing fertility, not just for native born people, but for immigrants and their children and grandchildren too.
01:16:57.000And so, this is not going to be a long term fix.
01:16:59.000We're going to need something like, you know, getting people to start having babies.
01:17:08.000I think the economic incentives, I mean, basically, there was a tweet this weekend, and I totally agree with it.
01:17:12.000It was like, in this clown economy, you know, like anybody having kids are essentially heroes now, you know, because they're doing the work of civilization.
01:17:29.000What I've seen pointed out is society feels a lot more passively anti children to some extent because it used to be basically everyone got married and the assumption was you get married and then you would inevitably have kids really, unless there was a biological impediment to doing so.
01:18:20.000And by the way, that tweet I was referencing was in response to the increasing number of restaurant goers demanding child free areas of the restaurant.
01:18:29.000And it's, you know, and like everything in culture basically will get better if everybody's having kids.
01:18:36.000You'll start because when you have kids, you think about the safety of your park, you think about the safety of your school, you think about the kind of content they're consuming.
01:18:44.000But if you're not, you're completely disconnected from that.
01:18:47.000You're selfishly sort of assuming your own viewpoint in every different context of society, and the parents are left holding the bag trying to like carve out a safe and productive and edifying existence for their children in an increasingly more hostile environment.
01:19:03.000So it just the odds just continue stacking against it.
01:19:07.000So, I Again, I don't know exactly if there's a finale or conclusion we can reach here, Rob, but the data, let alone it's concerning, I guess.
01:19:27.000And they were telling me how their neighborhood has changed, where now, you know, when they put their garbage bins out at curbside, you know, they'll have like drug addicts and weirdos sort of rifling through their trash now.
01:19:37.000And they said this wasn't happening six or seven years ago.
01:19:40.000And I asked, you know, do you call the cops?
01:19:41.000Like, what do you do when you see people rifling through your trash?
01:19:54.000You know, I would be concerned for the kid and so on.
01:19:56.000But then I asked, there are probably kids in that neighborhood.
01:19:59.000You know, like you two don't have kids, but there may be.
01:20:01.000And, you know, and like you're saying, it gets you to start thinking in terms of a community, in terms of a society, in terms of your neighbors and so on, instead of just selfishly, well, we're two adults and, you know, if something bad happens, it's fine.
01:20:12.000And yeah, it's, I think that sort of turning your attention outward instead of this selfish looking inward of, well, how is this affecting me directly?
01:20:21.000Or how much do I personally need to care versus, you know, the next generation or, you know, at least your neighbors and those around you?
01:20:27.000Rob, I would be remiss if we didn't shout out, of course, your Substack, Rob Henderson's newsletter.
01:20:32.000It's one of the most successful Substacks.
01:20:35.000I was just opening it and it says it is number one rising in science.
01:20:42.000And, This is a little off topic, but I see it.
01:20:46.000If you could just give a minute here because the question fascinates me.
01:20:49.000Your most recent post is Why Some Smart People Never Get Anywhere.
01:20:54.000Why do some smart people never get anywhere, Rob?
01:20:57.000Yeah, well, you know, it's the main point of that post I was elaborating on the personality trait of conscientiousness, which is, you know, simplified somewhat, but basically the willingness to work hard and to be diligent and orderly and organized in your life.
01:21:33.000And so this willingness to exert effort, even if you aren't especially smart, I know people who aren't, you know, they don't like classroom kind of learning.
01:21:41.000They're not bookish people, but they work really hard and they earn a lot of money and they're very successful.
01:21:46.000And so the whole point of that was like, yeah, I think we.
01:21:48.000Especially smart people overvalue smarts and undervalue the importance of work ethic.
01:21:53.000That is an answer Charlie would certainly love.
01:21:56.000Yeah, because you can't choose how smart you are necessarily.
01:22:00.000Your raw horsepower IQ is something you're born with.
01:22:02.000Maybe you cultivate somewhat, but you can choose two things.
01:22:06.000You can choose to work harder than everybody else, and you can choose to be courageous.
01:22:10.000Those are choices that are up to every individual.
01:22:13.000And that's ultimately a really freeing concept to internalize.