The Charlie Kirk Show - December 22, 2023


Handicapping the Donald Trump Veepstakes


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Trump is running for president and needs a VP pick, and Tucker Carlson is the most likely choice. But is he a good fit for the president? Is he the right choice, and if not, who should Trump pick as his VP pick?

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, who should Trump pick as vice president?
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00:02:32.000 Okay, so let's get to this one.
00:02:34.000 The great story here.
00:02:36.000 Trump's running mate.
00:02:38.000 Let's do this together throughout the hour.
00:02:39.000 Now, of course, we have been pushing Tucker Carlson.
00:02:42.000 In fact, there's this incredible list that we have been tabulating of the 21 reasons why we think Tucker Carlson should be vice president.
00:02:50.000 So I'm just going to say I think that Tucker Carlson is the easiest and the best choice.
00:02:54.000 Easiest that it's the easiest to give us a chance for victory.
00:02:57.000 Now, whether or not Tucker wants to be vice president remains to be seen, but we trust him.
00:03:02.000 He's 100% America first, and we can waive the lie detector test for Tucker.
00:03:07.000 There's no mystery.
00:03:08.000 We know what he believes.
00:03:10.000 His show was number one in some key demographic and independent categories.
00:03:14.000 And Tucker can reach out to many traditional Democrats.
00:03:18.000 Tucker offsets much of the appeal that RFK might have when it comes to COVID vaccine and big pharma issues.
00:03:25.000 Trump's record on the COVID vaccine is a weak part of his record, and Tucker backfills that weak spot nicely.
00:03:31.000 I'll talk more about RFK throughout the hour.
00:03:34.000 We have an exclusive interview with RFK that is now on the Charlie Kirk Show podcast feed.
00:03:39.000 I encourage you guys to listen to it.
00:03:41.000 Parts of it have been going viral.
00:03:43.000 We're going to address that in a second.
00:03:45.000 Tucker checks off the boxes that make RFK appealing as vice president, but he comes with a rock-solid conservative credential, especially on COVID.
00:03:55.000 Donald Trump's the only attack vector.
00:03:58.000 Well, I'd say there's two.
00:03:59.000 There's two attack vectors that the base might have against Trump that could maybe result in a point or two point or three point tapering off.
00:04:09.000 The first of which is the personnel that President Trump put into office.
00:04:14.000 In fact, with RFK, RFK said, Well, you know, I didn't like that, you know, Trump put John Bolton in his administration.
00:04:20.000 I said, I agree, you know, John Bolton should be deported.
00:04:23.000 And he laughed.
00:04:24.000 I'm kidding.
00:04:25.000 Media matters, of course, obviously.
00:04:28.000 And the second of which is COVID.
00:04:30.000 Those are the two.
00:04:30.000 Tucker heals both of those.
00:04:32.000 Tucker really heals any issues that the base might have towards Trump on COVID.
00:04:36.000 Tucker was terrific on COVID.
00:04:38.000 Tucker was excellent on the vaccine.
00:04:41.000 Tucker is authentic.
00:04:42.000 He's a deep thinker.
00:04:43.000 He admits mistakes.
00:04:44.000 He's sensitive.
00:04:45.000 This is everything that white educated suburban women look for. 1.00
00:04:48.000 And yes, a husband, a partner, well, more importantly, a vice president.
00:04:52.000 Tucker brings in women voters that don't like Trump's personality. 1.00
00:04:56.000 Now, do not get me wrong.
00:04:59.000 I mean, I've seen Tucker in a private and public and interview setting.
00:05:03.000 He can go from sensitive in a second to be intense and almost defensive of whatever he might be talking about on a dime, in a good way.
00:05:14.000 Tucker's positive personality traits offsets maybe what some people would characterize as Trump's bullying characteristics.
00:05:22.000 Number six, Trump has a great wife and kids and no skeletons in his closet.
00:05:27.000 We would have heard those by now because they try to take him off.
00:05:30.000 The worst thing is that Tucker Carlson texted something saying that white men don't fight like that.
00:05:35.000 Well, Tucker was right, and Tucker's popularity is stronger than ever.
00:05:39.000 And we know that at Amfest, and I can get some idea, you know, being an event organizer and being in the movement, I can tell you who the grassroots want by two things.
00:05:51.000 I could say, as soon as we announce a speaker, I can see who has a spike in tickets, and I can see who fills a room.
00:05:58.000 You know, we track how many seats are filled.
00:06:00.000 Now, mind you, we oversell the event versus seats because people are, you know, they're milling around, or some people come for a day or two, or some people go to the VIP hall, or some people go to the exhibit hall.
00:06:09.000 And we're experts at this at Turning Point USA.
00:06:12.000 It's almost like filling seats on an airplane, right?
00:06:15.000 You oversell it, and you know that some people aren't going to show up.
00:06:18.000 We have a whole very secret equation, by the way, that we work there.
00:06:25.000 When Tucker is there, we run out of seats.
00:06:29.000 Every time, when Tucker is there, we run out of seats.
00:06:35.000 Number seven, Tucker deflates and disarms the Democrat lawfare strategy.
00:06:39.000 The administrative state is trying to destroy Trump, not just because of he personally represents, but because of his historic movement.
00:06:46.000 Tucker is like having Tom Brady on your bench.
00:06:48.000 Consequently, as a Democrat strategist, why would I devote valuable Democrat resources to removing Trump from the starting lineup when there's another Hall of Famer on the bench?
00:06:59.000 It almost has to choose their poison, not to mention the get-out-the-vote advantage that Tucker would give you.
00:07:07.000 You have Donald Trump, who is a get-out-the-vote machine of low-prop voters.
00:07:13.000 And then you have Tucker, who is also a get-out-the-vote machine, especially with younger voters.
00:07:19.000 Tucker would help you compete on college campuses and with younger voters.
00:07:24.000 And with Rana Mick Romney running the RNC, by the way, we're going to talk about this later in the hour.
00:07:28.000 The new financials out for the RNC.
00:07:29.000 Not only do they have historically low cash on hand, they're still spending your money that you send to the RNC extravagantly on limos, on flowers, even though they have historically low cash on hand.
00:07:45.000 So we need a vice president that can heal some of the damage the RNC has done because we need a one-man or two-man get-out-the-vote operation. 0.96
00:07:59.000 Now, if, if, if, and I pray not Trump is thrown in jail by some way, Tucker can bring in similar huge Trump-like crowds.
00:08:07.000 Now, this is a great buy one, get one free value for the America First movement.
00:08:13.000 So the plan they have is Tucker and Trump pair up and the base steps up big time to take back our country.
00:08:19.000 Thus, the campaign mission statement is pair up and step up.
00:08:23.000 Number nine, Tucker obviously is great on TV, which is very important.
00:08:26.000 It doesn't need to be, you know, stated.
00:08:29.000 Tucker is also the perfect age for vice president.
00:08:31.000 I want to riff on this because there's this story.
00:08:33.000 By the way, this is the launching off point.
00:08:35.000 It's the 10 candidates who should be vice president.
00:08:38.000 And I'm going to complete my argument on Tucker and then we'll go to some of the other ones.
00:08:43.000 But Gen X has been overlooked for far too long.
00:08:48.000 Gen X is going to determine the 2024 election.
00:08:53.000 Gen X has not had a representative.
00:08:56.000 I think Kamala Harris might be Gen X. Joe Biden is the silent generation.
00:09:00.000 Silent and boomers have dominated the presidency. 1.00
00:09:05.000 Gen X is trending right.
00:09:09.000 Gen X is trending conservative.
00:09:12.000 Tucker is the perfect age for vice president.
00:09:15.000 He's in his 50s.
00:09:16.000 He's seasoned enough to step in for Trump, but still young enough to run for president in 2028.
00:09:21.000 And Tucker does not necessarily have to run in 2028, but we urgently need him now.
00:09:28.000 By the way, this is the 20, I'm going to probably turn this into an op-ed.
00:09:32.000 And I just can't tell you how attractive this is.
00:09:35.000 Tucker doesn't want it.
00:09:40.000 Tucker doesn't want it.
00:09:41.000 And that makes us want him to be vice president more.
00:09:44.000 I mean, all these people are, as Bannon would say, ambitious as Lucifer and they're scrapping for power.
00:09:50.000 And Tucker's like, I don't want to do this.
00:09:52.000 I just want to go hunt and fish and hang out with my friends.
00:09:56.000 Like, that's the guy we want.
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00:10:59.000 We're going through the vice presidential stuff.
00:11:01.000 I'll get to other ones.
00:11:02.000 Don't worry, because the list here from the messenger, they list it.
00:11:05.000 But I want to finish my Tucker argument because I think it's important.
00:11:08.000 We put together these 21 points.
00:11:10.000 And I just want to, number 11, it's been a rough time for Patriots since Biden won.
00:11:15.000 This would be a huge morale boost.
00:11:16.000 It would be a shot in the arm, wouldn't it?
00:11:18.000 VP candidate Tucker would galvanize the MAGA movement to go into overdrive heading into November 2024.
00:11:24.000 You would have tens of thousands of new activists.
00:11:26.000 It would be this just infusion of passion and energy and trust.
00:11:32.000 Now, God forbid that we fall short in 2024 Cup.
00:11:35.000 Tucker would keep the movement alive.
00:11:37.000 Remember, the elite class is trying to kill off this movement.
00:11:40.000 They think once Trump is out of the way, they can walk over us.
00:11:43.000 Tucker as vice president upsets their plans.
00:11:46.000 13.
00:11:47.000 It's always good to game things out from a Democrat perspective.
00:11:50.000 If I'm a Democrat strategist, I would be very concerned with Tucker as vice president, which reinforces why this is a good idea.
00:11:57.000 Tucker secures our movement going forward regardless of the 2024 outcome.
00:12:02.000 14. Tucker definitely is not seeking this job.
00:12:05.000 I'll say it again.
00:12:06.000 It makes him even more likable.
00:12:08.000 Reluctant leaders like George Washington can have the greatest impact on history.
00:12:13.000 There is a man by the name of Cincinnati.
00:12:16.000 In fact, George Washington was a member of the Order of Cincinnati.
00:12:20.000 Cincinnatus left his plow, fought the war, and went back to his farm.
00:12:25.000 He did what was needed of him because he believed in duty.
00:12:30.000 15.
00:12:31.000 Tucker appears to be well known overseas, unlike DeSantis' disastrous overseas trips.
00:12:36.000 Crowds in Spain came out recently by the thousands to see Tucker.
00:12:40.000 He's supportive of other nationalists in Hungary and Argentina.
00:12:44.000 If he became vice president, that would be a great portfolio project for him, which would be to mend the fences of how Biden has turned his back on other nationalist movements and make this a Western movement.
00:12:58.000 Tucker would be amazing at it.
00:13:00.000 While Donald Trump is fixing the border and Donald Trump is rebuilding the American economy, go send Tucker Carlson on a speaking tour in Western Europe to make this populist nationalist movement continue.
00:13:10.000 Who else could do that?
00:13:12.000 Number 16, this is just selfish.
00:13:14.000 I would love to see Tucker debate Kamala Harris.
00:13:17.000 I'm sorry, I just would.
00:13:19.000 I would love to see Tucker in a debate against that.
00:13:22.000 By the way, we have to play this.
00:13:23.000 Kamala Harris, if you can, imagine Tucker Carlson against this.
00:13:28.000 Play cut 37.
00:13:30.000 You know, every election cycle we talk about this is the most election of our lifetime.
00:13:35.000 Lawrence, this one is.
00:13:36.000 This one is.
00:13:38.000 We are literally talking about people who are attempting to divide our country in the most crude, frankly, and profound way.
00:13:51.000 We are talking about those who are intent and purposeful to attack fundamental freedoms, be it the freedom to make a decision about your own body, the freedom to love who you love openly and with pride, the freedom to be free from fear of violence and hate, the freedom to just be, the freedom to just be.
00:14:16.000 Cue the Tucker Carlson laugh at that point in the vice presidential debate. 0.67
00:14:20.000 Number 17, we said this yesterday, and we'll say it repeatedly.
00:14:23.000 The narrative is being set for the assassination of Donald Trump.
00:14:28.000 We said the three biggest threats to the deep state are Trump, Elon Tucker, Trump, Elon, Tucker.
00:14:35.000 In my opinion, Tucker as vice president actually decreases the risk of assassination by the administrative state.
00:14:41.000 From an optics narrative Overton window point of view, there's no way the deep state tries to assassinate both Trump and Tucker.
00:14:48.000 It would wake up too many normy, low-information voters.
00:14:50.000 It's too high risk.
00:14:52.000 If you want to play offense against the deep state, put somebody that they hate almost as much as Donald Trump.
00:14:59.000 18.
00:15:00.000 Tucker understands that we are in the midst of a spiritual war.
00:15:03.000 He understands the World Economic Forum, the World Health Organization, the Great Reset.
00:15:08.000 Many of these other vice presidential candidates that I'm about to tell you about that Trump is considering, according to themessenger.com and a well-researched piece, they don't understand the global game.
00:15:18.000 They're there to just be somebody.
00:15:20.000 They haven't thought deeply about what is happening.
00:15:23.000 Number 19, the America First movement will continue.
00:15:27.000 I mentioned this, but also they could divide and conquer, and Tucker can explain the MAGA agenda throughout the presidency.
00:15:36.000 Now, look, you might want to say, what are the negatives?
00:15:39.000 The only negatives I can think of is that if Tucker were to be vice president, they would try to pin him to talk extensively about issues that might not be primary doctrine political issues.
00:15:50.000 For example, a Tucker's opinion on JFK, which I believe the Intel agencies killed JFK, or UFOs, or whatever.
00:15:57.000 That might be the only negative.
00:15:58.000 But I'm curious, and in the break, I want to hear from you, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:16:02.000 Would any of you not vote for the Trump-Tucker ticket?
00:16:06.000 Would it increase your passion?
00:16:10.000 Now, there's a lot of enthusiasm in our email box, Tucker for Vice President.
00:16:16.000 And then we're going to go through the other nine candidates that Donald Trump is considering for vice president.
00:16:23.000 The fact Tucker doesn't want it makes him even more appealing.
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00:17:25.000 So Donald Trump is the likely nominee.
00:17:28.000 Now, I'm going to say something and then I want to put it aside, which is we have to anticipate that the Iowa and New Hampshire caucus primaries are going to be a little bit closer than polls reflect.
00:17:43.000 I'm afraid that those of us that support Trump are falling for a trap that if Trump wins by 12, they're going to make it seem like a loss.
00:17:52.000 We're going to put that aside and we're going to unpack that at a later date.
00:17:56.000 But Donald Trump is almost certainly going to be the nominee.
00:18:00.000 And according to this, themessenger.com, Trump's running mate, 10 possible choices as primary season looms.
00:18:07.000 So Tucker is on the list.
00:18:09.000 So we did that sufficiently.
00:18:11.000 Let's go to the next one, the first one on the list, which is the frontrunner.
00:18:15.000 Who do you think the frontrunner would be?
00:18:17.000 Senator JD Vance.
00:18:20.000 I, I, of course, love this.
00:18:23.000 Senator JD Vance has been one of the most loyal senators defending Donald Trump in the Senate and defending, most importantly, the MAGA agenda.
00:18:34.000 JD Vance is 39 years old, so he's just a couple years older than what you legally can be for President of the United States, vice president.
00:18:46.000 JD Vance would help with younger voters, and some people say, but JD Vance is not necessarily as bombastic or attention-grabbing as Tucker Carlson.
00:18:55.000 JD Vance would be if you wanted to go to stable, if you wanted to go to dependable, and if you wanted to go to try to win over voters that have a temperament of center right but want a return to normal.
00:19:13.000 In some ways, it would be an opposite strategy of the Tucker strategy.
00:19:18.000 It would be playing it safer.
00:19:19.000 And by the way, I love JD Vance.
00:19:22.000 The article says, quote, Vance has fashioned himself into a regular defender of Trump in the Senate with a low-key approach that Republicans say play well with the former president.
00:19:31.000 But it's not clear how much Vance would bolster Trump's coalition heading into a hypothetical rematch with Joe Biden.
00:19:36.000 He plays to the same Rust Belt populist Republican base, which Trump drew into the party and wouldn't soften Trump's image with suburban voters.
00:19:43.000 I disagree with the second part.
00:19:45.000 He would improve a little bit with suburban women. 0.91
00:19:49.000 A little bit, not a lot.
00:19:51.000 JD has a temperament that suburban women, we saw this in the Senate race against Tim Ryan, that they're a little more likely to entertain. 1.00
00:19:58.000 Secondly, baby boomers, 65 plus, that have turned on Trump, and there's a lot of them that are. 0.62
00:20:04.000 In fact, Trump's most dangerous demographic right now is not younger voters.
00:20:08.000 It's baby boomers. 1.00
00:20:09.000 Baby boomers are increasingly anti-Trump.
00:20:12.000 The polls show that.
00:20:14.000 They actually would, they like MAGA with a younger face.
00:20:18.000 So that's something to think about.
00:20:19.000 Okay, so JD Vance is being considered, but he might not expand the coalition, but you might not need to.
00:20:26.000 Again, the question is, what do you want?
00:20:28.000 What is the calculus?
00:20:30.000 Do you want kind of normal, like a, again, forgive me for this reference because I'm going to get, you know, spears thrown at me, like a Mike Pence in 2016, where you're just trying to solidify the Midwest bona fides?
00:20:46.000 Or are you trying to do a Sarah Palin and do a game change? 0.89
00:20:52.000 Now, Tucker Carlson is obviously far more vetted and gifted than Sarah Palin, but the philosophy of the 2008 McCain vice presidential pick is we have to do a game change.
00:21:02.000 And that's where Sarah Palin was selected. 0.98
00:21:05.000 Number two is very interesting.
00:21:07.000 And I'd love all your thoughts on this because I'm seeing the emails, freedom at charliekirk.com, pour in thousands and thousands of emails.
00:21:13.000 It's amazing.
00:21:14.000 Ben Carson.
00:21:15.000 I just spent a significant amount of time with Ben Carson at America Fest.
00:21:19.000 What an impressive patriot.
00:21:21.000 And I don't think people realize or recognize, first and foremost, how accomplished he is in the medical field, how accomplished he was as a brain surgeon.
00:21:31.000 Gifted hands, an amazing movie, incredible book.
00:21:34.000 Ben Carson, before he decided to get into politics, was one of the most followed, respected, and liked people in American public life.
00:21:44.000 He, of course, also ran the Secretary for Housing and Urban Development.
00:21:47.000 He's a true patriot.
00:21:49.000 And Ben Carson would help with a very real attack vector that the left is bubbling up right now, which is they're trying this Christian nationalist thing.
00:21:59.000 They're trying to bring down the Christian support of Donald Trump.
00:22:03.000 And they think that's going to help them win in Georgia and Arizona, where there are significant Christian populations.
00:22:07.000 Ben Carson is loved in the evangelical community.
00:22:12.000 I cannot tell you.
00:22:13.000 It is like 10 out of 10 love in the evangelical community.
00:22:18.000 If you see some issues with Christian voters, that there might be some base decay, Ben Carson would heal that and remedy that.
00:22:28.000 He has amazing humility.
00:22:30.000 He wouldn't make it about himself.
00:22:32.000 Now, the conventional wisdom is, well, Charlie will help with black voters. 0.99
00:22:36.000 There is no evidence that a black candidate will help you with black voters. 1.00
00:22:40.000 That is silly. 0.97
00:22:41.000 In fact, Tucker Carlson would actually help a lot more with black voters than maybe Ben Carson. 0.94
00:22:45.000 I think Ben Carson would be amazing to go to black churches, but a lot of black voters, they would vote more on issues.
00:22:52.000 There's not exactly, just don't fall for the conventional wisdom.
00:22:56.000 Black candidate equals increase in black support.
00:22:59.000 If that was the case, Herschel Walker would be senator of Georgia.
00:23:04.000 Okay.
00:23:05.000 Number three, Elise Stefanik.
00:23:07.000 I think Elise has done a good job.
00:23:08.000 She did a great job with the anti-Semitic thing. 0.99
00:23:10.000 She's way too establishment for this. 0.90
00:23:13.000 I do not think Elise Stefanik would be the right choice.
00:23:15.000 I like Elise.
00:23:16.000 I texted Elise.
00:23:17.000 We've gotten along with her.
00:23:18.000 She's a mom.
00:23:19.000 She's young.
00:23:20.000 She would add that kind of new energy. 0.99
00:23:23.000 We need her in Congress, and she is far too establishment. 1.00
00:23:26.000 She voted for the NDAA.
00:23:28.000 When the chips are down, she votes with leadership.
00:23:32.000 I don't think Elise Stefanik would be a primary choice. 0.95
00:23:35.000 With that being said, I really like Elise.
00:23:37.000 Number four on the list, according to the messenger.com, Sarah Huckabee Sanders.
00:23:41.000 Now, this one is interesting.
00:23:43.000 She has deep ties to the Christian right.
00:23:46.000 She also is a governor, not just the press secretary.
00:23:49.000 She's obviously loyal to Donald Trump.
00:23:52.000 I'm open to it.
00:23:53.000 I think Sarah Huckabee Sanders would be interesting. 1.00
00:23:56.000 Whether or not it adds or not, and some people say what has to be a woman has to be a woman.
00:24:00.000 I don't like identity politics.
00:24:01.000 I don't like thinking that way.
00:24:03.000 I want to win.
00:24:05.000 I want to win.
00:24:06.000 I want the person on this list that gives us the best chance to win.
00:24:10.000 And number five is of a similar vein, which is Christy Noam.
00:24:14.000 Now, Christy Noam handled COVID amazingly, so you get the COVID points there.
00:24:18.000 You get the COVID advantage where she says, no, no, I didn't lock down.
00:24:21.000 Don't worry.
00:24:21.000 So you can consolidate some of that right-wing defection that might be going in the RFK direction.
00:24:26.000 And Christy Noam is also a, she's a Christian.
00:24:30.000 She did mess up on the trans thing. 1.00
00:24:32.000 She is someone that speaks very, very well, but does she geographically really lift the ticket?
00:24:38.000 That remains to be seen.
00:24:39.000 Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Christy Noam, I think very interesting considerations.
00:24:42.000 Number six, for obvious reasons, we're going to skip over because we spent half the show talking about Tucker Carlson, but I do want to read from the article.
00:24:50.000 The two largely sympatico in politics and their public personas, although Carlson would likely serve as a better bridge to social conservatives for Trump.
00:24:56.000 But Carlson wouldn't balance Trump's image heading into a general election and it most likely strike against him.
00:25:00.000 That's where the messenger is completely and totally wrong.
00:25:03.000 They are just wrong.
00:25:04.000 Okay, number seven, Byron Donalds.
00:25:08.000 Now, if I were to say, we're getting a lot of emails on Byron Donalds.
00:25:11.000 Now, there's a technical problem.
00:25:12.000 It can be easily solved.
00:25:13.000 They're both from the same state.
00:25:14.000 We can go somewhere else.
00:25:15.000 I like the Byron pick.
00:25:17.000 Donald and Donalds.
00:25:19.000 Donald and Donalds.
00:25:20.000 Byron's sharp.
00:25:22.000 He's tough.
00:25:23.000 He works hard.
00:25:24.000 He does unbelievably well with the media.
00:25:28.000 I really, really like Byron Donalds.
00:25:33.000 And Byron Donalds would give.
00:25:35.000 How old is Byron?
00:25:36.000 I think he's still in his 30s.
00:25:37.000 I could be wrong.
00:25:38.000 I don't know.
00:25:39.000 I mean, let me see.
00:25:39.000 Byron Donalds.
00:25:41.000 Oh, he's 45.
00:25:42.000 Wow.
00:25:42.000 Okay.
00:25:43.000 Well, he's Gen X then.
00:25:44.000 I think so.
00:25:45.000 I can't go.
00:25:46.000 All my millennial Gen X stuff is all screwed up.
00:25:48.000 Byron would be a great pick.
00:25:50.000 Number eight, Carrie Lake. 0.79
00:25:52.000 I love Carrie.
00:25:53.000 I'm glad she's in the running.
00:25:55.000 We endorsed her for Senate.
00:25:56.000 Carrie, focused on the Senate race.
00:25:58.000 I don't think that's the best selection right now.
00:26:01.000 Nothing against Carrie Lake at all. 1.00
00:26:03.000 In fact, I'm enthusiastically behind Carrie.
00:26:06.000 And I'm glad she's on the list.
00:26:07.000 She's earned her place on the list, but she's running for the Senate. 0.93
00:26:09.000 Let's get Carrie Lake in the Senate. 1.00
00:26:10.000 By the way, a new poll comes out where Carrie Lake is winning in a new three-way poll. 1.00
00:26:15.000 Can we get that poll up?
00:26:16.000 Carrie Lake is beating Gallego and Kirsten Cinema.
00:26:19.000 So don't sleep on Carrie Lake.
00:26:20.000 In a three-way race, if you can get 41, 42, 43%, you might be looking at Senator Carrie Lake. 0.99
00:26:26.000 Whoa, that would be amazing.
00:26:27.000 U.S. Senate general election matchup.
00:26:29.000 Carrie Lake, 41%.
00:26:31.000 Ruben Gallego, 35%.
00:26:32.000 Kirsten Cinema, 16%.
00:26:35.000 Okay, number nine, this is a no-go.
00:26:36.000 Nancy Mace.
00:26:37.000 Nah, not going to happen.
00:26:39.000 Okay, we got to say Trump, not going to happen.
00:26:41.000 All right.
00:26:42.000 I got a lot of reasons for that.
00:26:43.000 Nancy Mace has proven to be just kind of an unguided missile.
00:26:47.000 She's walking around with like a scarlet letter.
00:26:49.000 She's talking about at a prayer breakfast, you know, having like, let's just say, a very intimate moment.
00:26:56.000 It's like a very, very weird atmospheric.
00:26:59.000 She used to primary Lindsey Graham, and now she's super moderate. 0.99
00:27:01.000 Not going to happen.
00:27:02.000 And number 10, I think I speak for all of you, Nikki Haley.
00:27:06.000 No way.
00:27:07.000 No way.
00:27:09.000 If you need to pick a woman, pick Sarah Huckabee Sanders or pick Christy Noam. 1.00
00:27:13.000 And so if I were to kind of, from my inside information, if I were to say who is actually the ones that are being strongly considered from that list, Ben Carson, based on everything that I know, Ben Carson, JD Vance is absolutely being pushed.
00:27:29.000 Tucker Carlson, Byron Donalds, Sarah Sanders, Christy Noam, and Stefanik.
00:27:35.000 Stephanie would be a bad idea. 1.00
00:27:37.000 And I say that as someone who likes Elise, but Elise is too moderate and she doesn't get you a lot. 0.58
00:27:41.000 Elise feels like what a consultant would say.
00:27:44.000 And I, and by the way, I just want to add to the list: Ron Johnson, I know he's not getting the love.
00:27:49.000 He'll win you, Wisconsin.
00:27:51.000 He'll win you, Wisconsin.
00:27:53.000 Every grassroots activist that knows Wisconsin has told me he will deliver you the state of Wisconsin.
00:27:59.000 Every single one.
00:28:00.000 He's won there three times.
00:28:02.000 We've been pushing Ron Johnson a lot.
00:28:04.000 People laugh when we say that.
00:28:05.000 He won twice in very tough circumstances against Russ Feingold, who was very, very well liked.
00:28:11.000 In 2016, he was considered a dead man walking.
00:28:13.000 He crushed it.
00:28:14.000 Remember, if you win Wisconsin, Arizona, Georgia, you win the White House.
00:28:17.000 And wouldn't it be amazing if you could take Wisconsin off and you have Donald Trump just focus on Georgia, Arizona?
00:28:22.000 By the way, Wisconsin is the hardest of the three.
00:28:23.000 Wisconsin is the hardest of the three.
00:28:25.000 Ron Johnson should be on this list.
00:28:27.000 My takeaway is this: why don't we start thinking about the vice presidential pick as how we're going to win, not the one that looks the best based on identity politics?
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00:29:30.000 Lots of feedback here, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:29:32.000 Tucker Carlson is the faraway winner from our emails here.
00:29:36.000 People said it would make me excited to vote again.
00:29:39.000 It would drive me out to the polls.
00:29:41.000 And so, very, very interesting.
00:29:43.000 Thank you guys for that feedback.
00:29:45.000 Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.
00:29:48.000 The messenger piece kind of goes around here, and it's very clear that they're going to try to make a play, an infiltration, an insurgency to get a more moderate voice like Nimarata Haley on the vice presidential ticket.
00:30:02.000 Tucker Carlson said at Amfest that if Donald Trump chose Nikki Haley as vice president, he would actively oppose it as a threat to the country.
00:30:13.000 Do you feel that way?
00:30:14.000 I am curious.
00:30:16.000 If Donald Trump chose Nikki Haley, would you still vote for Donald Trump?
00:30:21.000 I'd love to hear your response here, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:30:27.000 Let's play some more pieces of tape here, and I want to just dance around with this a little bit.
00:30:31.000 So, RFK joined our program.
00:30:34.000 And look, I have a lot of respect for RFK.
00:30:37.000 He's going to come back on the show.
00:30:38.000 I asked him some very pointed questions.
00:30:40.000 I was not impressed by his answer on the Supreme Court deal.
00:30:43.000 I was not impressed.
00:30:45.000 You're running for president.
00:30:46.000 You can't dance around.
00:30:48.000 You got to tell us very clearly where you stand.
00:30:51.000 He said it was a trick question.
00:30:53.000 Respectfully to him, it's not a trick question.
00:30:56.000 Play cut 75.
00:30:58.000 Recent Supreme Court justice is closest to your ideas or what you would appoint.
00:31:08.000 I couldn't answer that.
00:31:11.000 I would say, you know, I'm going to appoint judges who reflect my values.
00:31:18.000 But what are those values?
00:31:21.000 Because President Trump has a list to his credit.
00:31:24.000 Here are the 65 people.
00:31:26.000 I mean, would it be more like Kagan or more like Clarence Thomas?
00:31:33.000 I don't know.
00:31:34.000 I wouldn't answer that.
00:31:35.000 But respectfully, you're running for president.
00:31:37.000 The voters, that's a huge issue for voters.
00:31:41.000 But who's your favorite Supreme Court justice ever?
00:31:43.000 Earl Warren.
00:31:44.000 Okay.
00:31:45.000 So the Warren court that got rid of prayer in public schools.
00:31:49.000 Now, mind you, Earl Warren was one of the worst judges in U.S. history.
00:31:55.000 And not only was it, not only did his court lead the repeal of prayer in schools, but forfeiting so many religious freedoms, destroyed a lot of protections and, let's just say, procedures of criminal justice, and modernizing, this is the most important thing, he modernized the administrative state.
00:32:16.000 Earl Warren did.
00:32:17.000 And so I would challenge RFK next time he comes on the program.
00:32:22.000 One of RFK's main concerns is the administrative state.
00:32:28.000 But understand the courts gave us the modern administrative state, not gave us, but the court could have struck down the bureaucracies as unconstitutional.
00:32:36.000 And the courts didn't do their job.
00:32:37.000 This is the argument that Hillsdale College has made so amazingly in Dr. Larry Arn to his credit.
00:32:43.000 And so, respectfully, RFK, you say, well, you know, it's not, he almost was saying it wasn't that important.
00:32:48.000 He said it without saying it.
00:32:49.000 But Earl Warren was the guy that gave us the deep state.
00:32:52.000 Earl Warren protected the very deep state that murdered his uncle and possibly his father.
00:32:56.000 And he might not connect those dots yet.
00:32:58.000 I hope he does.
00:33:00.000 But the indifference of the courts of the 60s and 70s, where they said, yeah, it's perfectly fine to have these unchecked bureaucracies, even though it's not in the Constitution, and they could do whatever they want and they can make laws and they can interpret their own laws and they're unelected and they're unknown and they have unlimited amounts of power.
00:33:16.000 The courts play a significantly important role where the court could have come in in the 60s and said, you don't get all these agencies, guys.
00:33:25.000 You don't get Department of Energy.
00:33:27.000 You don't get EPA.
00:33:28.000 You don't get any of this stuff.
00:33:30.000 Department of Education, if it's not in the Constitution, you don't get it.
00:33:32.000 Send it back to the states.
00:33:35.000 And so while RFK on our program said, I'm going to rein in the bureaucracies in the fourth branch of government, which I deeply appreciate and I agree with, he simultaneously undermines his argument when he says that his favorite Supreme Court justice is the one that defended the modern administrative state and deep state.
00:33:57.000 I encourage you guys to watch that RFK Jr. interview in its entirety if you haven't already and text it to your friends.
00:34:05.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:34:06.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:34:09.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.
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