The Charlie Kirk Show - October 29, 2025


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SPANISH FOOD PODCASTS (SNAP) is going to run out on November 1st, and it's going to affect more than 40 million people. Will the government be able to function without food stamps and other food assistance?

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00:01:09.000 All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:11.000 A lot of you guys are emailing us about the SNAP benefits because we did the EBT Snap videos from TikTok of all the ladies that are threatening to just have a national shoplifting day, which is really interesting.
00:01:22.000 So basically, you've got, we're in the 28th day of the shutdown.
00:01:26.000 Come November 1st, SNAP benefits will terminate for more than 40 million people.
00:01:34.000 That's already raising eyebrows.
00:01:34.000 Blake.
00:01:36.000 I think a lot of people, you know, 40 million.
00:01:38.000 And how many Americans are the 40 million people?
00:01:38.000 That's a lot.
00:01:40.000 Over 10%.
00:01:41.000 And it is more people who are on it.
00:01:43.000 I think the rate for people who are naturalized citizens is higher than for native-born American citizens.
00:01:48.000 A lot of illegals get it because if you have an anchor baby in America, you can receive SNAP.
00:01:53.000 And it's an important thing to remember where people food stamps, when we call them food stamps or SNAP or whatever, it's basically a psych because they'll say like, oh, you can only use it on necessities, but everyone does need to eat.
00:02:05.000 And so it's essentially just a cash welfare program because money that you get for this can go to other things.
00:02:11.000 People sell their SNAP benefits, of course.
00:02:13.000 Anyone who's been in a bad part of town will know that this happens.
00:02:16.000 You know, someone will buy you $25 worth of SNAP stuff and they'll give you a 20 in return, things like that.
00:02:25.000 But it's a real issue.
00:02:26.000 A lot of people, I mean, we're getting also emails from people who are themselves on it, who are saying, you know, people who are single parents or they're struggling where they're saying, I need this to get by.
00:02:37.000 And is there a way that we can separate genuine need cases versus people who just don't want to work?
00:02:43.000 It's a complicated issue.
00:02:45.000 And I think the bigger picture we have to ask ourselves, first of all, is who's going to win a shutdown of SNAP?
00:02:51.000 Because it's sort of the microcosm of the bigger debate over this shutdown is, is it a Democrat thing that caused this to happen?
00:02:58.000 Or is it the Republicans' fault that this is happening?
00:03:01.000 I think they've both banked that they would win on this, but it seems like Trump may be ahead.
00:03:05.000 I saw the other day, I think a major left wing labor group has been upping its agitation to do a clean extension on spending, because I do think there is some sense that.
00:03:16.000 Yeah, the number one biggest federal workers union.
00:03:19.000 Yes, that's what.
00:03:20.000 Yeah.
00:03:20.000 Yeah, and they want the government open, and they're basically taking the Republicans' line on it, that is the Democrats who are the obstructionists, which was shocking to me.
00:03:27.000 I did not expect that when you started actually reading the article.
00:03:31.000 But this is really important here because when we're talking about SNAP, you go macro, you go big picture.
00:03:36.000 It's all offensive.
00:03:37.000 There's 40 plus million people that are on it.
00:03:38.000 It's offensive.
00:03:39.000 You look at how many of these are foreigners who came into this country and are now mooching off the system. 1.00
00:03:44.000 Some of them illegal aliens.
00:03:45.000 That's offensive.
00:03:46.000 What is over-indexed with the SNAP expenditures?
00:03:49.000 It is all going to be junk food, and that's going to be offensive.
00:03:52.000 But then there are people, as Blake notes, who legitimately do need it, are accustomed to it, count on it, and they're able to pay for other stuff that does contribute to the economy because some of their food stuff is subsidized.
00:04:04.000 And we're just going to rip it away from them because, why?
00:04:07.000 Because the Democrats want funding for illegal alien healthcare.
00:04:11.000 And that is an opportunity for us to frame it up politically that no one's taken until it seems like this morning is the first day of the year.
00:04:17.000 Yeah, dive into that a little bit more because now you're thinking like a messaging strategy, which is kind of where my head goes.
00:04:22.000 And so, you know, basically you need to take their attack and reverse it onto them, which is really obvious because they're holding the whole government hostage.
00:04:32.000 So Democrats are the ones that are keeping the 40 million people from getting their food stamps.
00:04:36.000 Even though, listen, we all know that there's a lot of people on Snap that should not be on Snap, but it's really Democrats that are holding it hostage so that they can get healthcare for illegals.
00:04:46.000 Now, they will say that that's not true, but it's all in the nuance.
00:04:50.000 It's 100% true.
00:04:51.000 So you're going to see that.
00:04:52.000 You might even see that in community notes on X Twitter.
00:04:54.000 Right.
00:04:55.000 That that's not true.
00:04:56.000 I groked it the other day and they said it's not true.
00:04:58.000 Well, guess why?
00:04:59.000 It is true.
00:05:00.000 It's because it's all about how you label an illegal immigrant.
00:05:04.000 Joe Biden let in millions of people, put them on temporary protective status, right?
00:05:08.000 And gave asylum claims to a bunch of them, millions of them.
00:05:12.000 And they are able to now access ACA benefits subsidized by the American taxpayer.
00:05:17.000 This is an email we just got from Hushmail.
00:05:20.000 So I think that's a person who is hiding their identity.
00:05:22.000 She says, My manager, my daughter is a manager of a grocery store. 0.92
00:05:26.000 She has genuine fear that if SNAP or EBT are unavailable next month, her workplace will be looted.
00:05:33.000 Yeah, which is blackmail.
00:05:35.000 I mean, it's just we're being blackmailed.
00:05:37.000 That's why the whole apparatus is completely messed up.
00:05:39.000 Well, this is exactly what happened to George Floyd, too.
00:05:41.000 He just got blackmailed that we couldn't have cops in the streets keeping us safe because they were going to riot and burn things down.
00:05:41.000 Yeah.
00:05:48.000 They also say, kudos to Alex for hanging out with us for a couple of days.
00:05:51.000 I appreciate that.
00:05:51.000 Oh, thank you.
00:05:52.000 No, this is a blast, and hopefully we can do this more.
00:05:54.000 But this is where we do need to reform SNAP and figure it out and put more regulation in place and just start getting people this context that we're importing people from all around the world to pick the pockets of tax-paying American citizens who are all squeezed right now, which was a lot of the topic last hour with Rich.
00:06:11.000 Everyone's feeling squeezed, and aside from a handful of people, and that we don't have money for this stuff, and we shouldn't.
00:06:17.000 That said, is now the time to really say, oh, you know what?
00:06:22.000 We're taking away the sugary sodas from people.
00:06:24.000 I don't know politically now that's the move.
00:06:26.000 I think the move now is to frame it up as the Democrats took your benefits because Chuck Schumer is going to get primary by AOC and is going to lose his leadership job.
00:06:35.000 And that's why this is happening.
00:06:36.000 And any Democrat who's not telling you that is lying to you.
00:06:39.000 Yeah, I mean, so we're getting Felice is sending a screen grab of food stamps by ethnicity, 45.6%.
00:06:47.000 This is a similar version of that one we saw.
00:06:51.000 I don't unfortunately.
00:06:52.000 So a lot of you are going to see this graph.
00:06:55.000 We actually have it.
00:06:56.000 We could show it.
00:06:57.000 I don't mind showing it, but with the caveat that we can't verify independently that it's true.
00:07:03.000 But, you know, the allegation is essentially that 45.6% of Afghan refugees or refugees is just by Afghan ethnic origin.
00:07:10.000 Ethnic origin, 42% of Somalis, 34.8% of Iraqis, and 23.3% of Haitians are on food stamps.
00:07:19.000 And to your point, we can't verify it.
00:07:23.000 But as you said, Blake, it feels directionally true.
00:07:26.000 It is almost certainly directionally true.
00:07:27.000 Directionally accurate.
00:07:29.000 Somalis are very high. 0.97
00:07:30.000 Well, if you check every other program that we have numbers on, the usage rate among Somalis is extremely high.
00:07:35.000 So the Somali population is extremely good at at least one thing. 1.00
00:07:39.000 And I would presume a few other things.
00:07:42.000 But they are good at working the system, exploiting the system, and defrauding the system.
00:07:48.000 What you will see, what Americans are going to become more and more aware of as the years go by is that if you have relatively closed off, you know, separate communities in America that don't speak a ton of English, mostly interact among themselves, they can be very, very good at collectively getting a lot of money out of the system.
00:08:10.000 Yeah.
00:08:11.000 And so what we've seen, this has been broken up repeatedly.
00:08:14.000 Let's just use the Somali community as an example.
00:08:18.000 The Somali community has an extra, they've been caught where they're having these clinics that diagnose kids with things like autism at a super high rate because you can get money for that.
00:08:27.000 Or the Feeding Our Future scam.
00:08:29.000 That was one, I think, like white Lutheran woman at the top of it. 0.83
00:08:33.000 And then this gigantic apparatus of people where they were scamming the COVID aid system for Minnesota and the federal government by giving these fake meals to people who didn't exist.
00:08:42.000 And dozens and dozens of people get involved in these scams.
00:08:46.000 And with other communities, if you're in a kind of what you'd say, maybe ordinary, wider American community, it's difficult to pull off a scam of that size because other people just kind of go to the police about it and stuff.
00:08:58.000 But when you're in a closed community that operates mostly under its own rules, they often don't talk to police.
00:09:04.000 They don't interact with wider society.
00:09:08.000 They're both more willing to try to exploit the system and they get away with it more easily.
00:09:12.000 It's just, there's not a lot of ways to break it apart.
00:09:14.000 And the Democrats see this as political opportunity because they're better at moving the blocks.
00:09:19.000 We're trying to move individuals one person at a time, freedom.
00:09:22.000 That's what we're all about.
00:09:23.000 And this has been a weakness for us over the years because the Democrats, they see what Blake's talking about.
00:09:26.000 They say, that's a whole block of people.
00:09:28.000 We're going to get them all.
00:09:29.000 We're going to get all of them.
00:09:30.000 And that's part of the system that we got.
00:09:32.000 Yeah, I know.
00:09:33.000 I think that's right.
00:09:34.000 And I think that, you know, who's been good at moving blocks actually is President Trump.
00:09:39.000 And so you might get frustrated with Trump or his messaging or whatever.
00:09:42.000 I mean, the truth is, is that we have not proven that, aside from President Trump, we can move blocks of people in any way.
00:09:48.000 I want to read another one because we want to acknowledge there's different perspectives.
00:09:51.000 So we got another email.
00:09:52.000 So she says, we, I assume maybe herself and her husband, we are seniors living on our Social Security check hand to mouth with the SNAP benefit.
00:10:00.000 There are no jobs for us.
00:10:01.000 They're elderly.
00:10:02.000 We'll be eating once a day now if that.
00:10:04.000 I can't believe my president is allowing this to happen.
00:10:07.000 I voted for Trump three times and I wear a turning point MAGA hat.
00:10:10.000 How is this happening in America?
00:10:12.000 And that's also a real question.
00:10:13.000 There are a lot of people who have struggled very mightily through the changes that have happened to America.
00:10:19.000 Well, there's another one from Jamie.
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00:11:49.000 Blake, we got more.
00:11:51.000 We just are getting a lot of interesting emails.
00:11:53.000 So I wanted to get another one that we got here.
00:11:55.000 This is from Marlene.
00:11:57.000 She says, as I watched you today talking about food benefits, I'm reminded of what a friend told me.
00:12:01.000 She worked at a New York supermarket.
00:12:04.000 She was told that even though the photo on the card was not the person buying the food, she could not question it.
00:12:09.000 The only people she could question were those using WIC, often those in the military.
00:12:14.000 I'm not sure which one that is for.
00:12:16.000 I'm not super alert on my benefits abbreviations.
00:12:20.000 She says people using EBT card could request cash, often because they needed to get their hair or nails done.
00:12:26.000 They could be given cash for their EBT card.
00:12:29.000 I don't know if this is the law or just a policy at stop and shop in New York, but it seems wrong.
00:12:34.000 Thank you so much for carrying on for Charlie.
00:12:36.000 Thank you, Marlene.
00:12:37.000 We're getting a lot of varied takes from people, which I think.
00:12:40.000 So it's WIC, the special supplement nutrition program for women, infants, and children.
00:12:45.000 Okay.
00:12:46.000 They may find themselves without benefits as well as a part of it.
00:12:49.000 Yeah, these are real risks.
00:12:50.000 Josh Holly was out there today with the big piece saying that we need to just restore all of it right away in a one-off bill, which Senator Thune doesn't want to do any of that because he thinks that it's just going to open up Pandora's box of everyone having their pet project come to the fore.
00:13:03.000 But Holly has really interesting political instincts because he's operating in a space, is really purely populist Republican side, and he's a good bellwether for a real core part of the base.
00:13:14.000 We're talking about moving blocks of voters.
00:13:16.000 He's speaking to a very serious block of voters who are disenfranchised by a lot of people in this country.
00:13:21.000 And so I think it's very noteworthy that it's hilarious to watch the TikToks and we know there's going to be looting and it's reading the data just offends anyone with a brain.
00:13:31.000 But there really are people who have come to rely on it and yanking it away is not a small thing.
00:13:36.000 Well, it's also politically fraught.
00:13:38.000 Yeah, that's right.
00:13:40.000 Of course we want to reform SNAP so that only people that are Americans that need it, that are actually just like this elderly couple that you read the email from, get the benefits. 0.60
00:13:49.000 But politically in the short term, I think we have to.
00:13:51.000 In general, it is a real concern that the dependency of the United States has gone up.
00:13:58.000 And it doesn't necessarily mean that no one is deserving of it or no one needs it, but there has been a pattern over time that more Americans have gotten hooked on some degree of government money.
00:14:08.000 I mean, this has even come up with these Obamacare subsidies.
00:14:11.000 A lot of these, I think, aren't a lot of these just subsidies they passed during COVID?
00:14:15.000 And then now, oh, turns out we need them forever because people are hooked on them now.
00:14:19.000 And they do that for a lot of different reasons.
00:14:21.000 That's a great point.
00:14:22.000 That's a very, very good point.
00:14:23.000 But it is distinct from the working poor.
00:14:26.000 And this can get really bad.
00:14:27.000 We've covered places like South Africa.
00:14:30.000 And in countries like South Africa, only 10% of the population pays any taxes and everyone else is a dependent.
00:14:36.000 Blake, why don't we, you got 185?
00:14:38.000 Yeah, yeah, let's put up 185.
00:14:39.000 We were discussing SNAP, and this is a chart that Danny sent to us, but it's the annual spending just on SNAP benefits in billions.
00:14:48.000 What's that big spike there, buddy?
00:14:49.000 It's a big spike in the year 2020.
00:14:52.000 I don't man.
00:14:53.000 What happened in 2020?
00:14:54.000 My mind's drawing a blank.
00:14:56.000 Well, this is such a good point.
00:14:57.000 I mean, there's so much about government spending, to Blake's earlier point, that once you unleash the subsidy, once you unleash the welfare, once you unleash the spending, it never comes back down.
00:15:08.000 It's like a drug addiction.
00:15:09.000 And, you know, I think one thing we can say about this is this whole display of people freaking out that SNAP might be suspended for a week maybe or a few weeks.
00:15:20.000 It does show, even if you don't act dramatically now, you do need to see it as a crisis long term, that there is a very high level of dependency built into the American people.
00:15:30.000 And this took time to build up.
00:15:31.000 You can read when they were first expanding the great society under LBJ.
00:15:35.000 America had different cultural norms.
00:15:37.000 It was considered very disgraceful to be on the dole.
00:15:40.000 So people would, even people who were qualified, would resist going on food stamps.
00:15:45.000 They were still literal food stamps back in those days.
00:15:48.000 And they would resist it.
00:15:50.000 And it was difficult to expand these programs.
00:15:52.000 And now it's become much more a pattern of almost, you know, I got mine, you know, the people who will try to get their cut of a big pile of federal money.
00:16:01.000 And that's not just going to be in the form of food stamps.
00:16:03.000 It's going to be in the form of Medicaid, which we expanded a lot under Obama, and they kept expanding it.
00:16:09.000 And we were saying during the break that a lot of this fight now over Obamacare is a subsidy they added during COVID.
00:16:15.000 And now it turns out we just can never get rid of it because people have become dependent on that as well.
00:16:19.000 And well, guys, you can look at the federal budget deficit, how much it goes.
00:16:23.000 We're now averaging, what, $1.5 trillion a year in that deficit.
00:16:27.000 The debt only endlessly goes up.
00:16:30.000 All I will say is no nation, I like history, as Charlie knew, no nation has ever just borrowed money endlessly and gotten away with it forever.
00:16:38.000 No, no nation, period, ever.
00:16:40.000 And that could be us.
00:16:42.000 And it reminds me of Charlie's, when he started turning point, I think the debt was at like something like $12 trillion.
00:16:48.000 $12 trillion.
00:16:49.000 I think it was $5 trillion when the recession started.
00:16:52.000 And, you know, we tripled our national debt to get out of the Great Recession 18 years ago.
00:16:58.000 And can we triple it again to get out of another one?
00:17:02.000 I'm skeptical of that.
00:17:04.000 And no, I mean, it is a fiscal cliff that we are facing.
00:17:08.000 And nobody ever wants to get serious about it because we live in an unserious time where everybody just makes TikTok videos about how they're going to loot their local grocery store if they don't get Uncle Sam to say it.
00:17:18.000 Now, here's my one pushback, though.
00:17:20.000 The economic populist side, and this is, again, we go back to the first thing that we talked about in the show now, one is that you have a diversion.
00:17:27.000 You have two roads diverge in a wood right now.
00:17:31.000 You've got the MAGA national populism, and you've got the Mamdaniism, right? 0.99
00:17:38.000 Which is going to be grievance-driven populism.
00:17:41.000 And because we have debased our currency, because we have flooded the market with cheap money, easy money, because you have inflated, especially during COVID, the asset valuations of the elite and the equity-holding rich people in this country, they got richer during COVID, right?
00:17:57.000 The money that we flushed into the system just went straight to the top.
00:18:00.000 And they got a lot of government handouts.
00:18:02.000 And we made it easier for them to do this.
00:18:02.000 Yes.
00:18:04.000 So essentially, you've created the working poor and you've exacerbated their already precarious financial situation.
00:18:12.000 And then you've inflated the asset prices of the rich, even just like people that own homes, right?
00:18:19.000 Middle class, upper middle class.
00:18:21.000 They're not necessarily rich, but what that did is it stretched the middle even further.
00:18:25.000 It put more pressure on the middle.
00:18:26.000 And so a lot of these people that are on snap benefits, it's kind of like, well, some of our economic policies that we've been pursuing, this massive debt and deficit spending, have accentuated an already tenuous situation.
00:18:38.000 I think that's on the money.
00:18:39.000 And I think what's interesting here is that we're in a different media landscape where the Democrats would have won this fight by blaming on the Republicans.
00:18:45.000 But now that the media's been so discredited and they've never been less credible since the way they handled the assassination of Charlie Kirk, I think that may have been just the final dagger in the media and their credibility.
00:18:57.000 And so because they might not be able to wrestle this narrative back for the Democrats, the Republicans can exert maximum leverage, say that we're not going to cave to your demands on this thing.
00:19:06.000 You're going to have to take the blame for it.
00:19:07.000 And the closer we get towards Thanksgiving, you might start seeing the Republicans say, well, we're not going to negotiate any CRs.
00:19:13.000 We're going to do a much broader spending package and you guys are going to have less negotiation leverage there with the Democrats.
00:19:18.000 And they could find themselves having totally misplayed this.
00:19:21.000 And we could just be a few weeks off from seeing something really pretty amazing politically.
00:19:25.000 Love that glass at full take.
00:19:27.000 But again, it all comes down to messaging that essentially this is the trade that the Democrats are doing.
00:19:33.000 They want to subsidize illegal health care so that American people can't afford groceries.
00:19:40.000 That is the great exchange.
00:19:41.000 That is the big messaging pivot that needs to happen.
00:19:44.000 I think they're trying.
00:19:46.000 I see some of the folks on social media like Mike Johnson and others are trying to make that point, but I don't know that it's getting through yet.
00:19:52.000 It's not.
00:19:53.000 But shows like ours, others can hopefully make that point for them.
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00:21:02.000 And now we are joined by Matt Walsh, the great Matt Walsh from the Matt Walsh Show.
00:21:07.000 Matt, welcome back.
00:21:09.000 Honored to have you.
00:21:10.000 First time back on the show since immediately in the aftermath.
00:21:14.000 And so it's great to see you, my friend.
00:21:15.000 And I had to have you on because I just feel like sometimes we get in these seasons where there's just like these ex-feuds just break out and they're pretty glorious to watch.
00:21:28.000 And you are more than holding your own right now because you are going after a sacred cow of modernity in the West, and that is Islam. 1.00
00:21:37.000 Also, food stamps.
00:21:38.000 We could talk about that.
00:21:39.000 We've been talking about on the show before you got on.
00:21:41.000 But basically, there is a guy, for those who are not aware, named Mehdi Hassan.
00:21:46.000 He's an uppity foreigner who's moved to this country and is now telling us what to do. 1.00
00:21:50.000 And now he's going after guys like you, Matt, and basically telling us that, hey, listen, the Muslim call to prayer is the same thing as church bells.
00:21:58.000 And he's more American and more patriotic than Americans are.
00:22:01.000 And we have opinions about that on the show.
00:22:04.000 I know you have opinions about that, Matt.
00:22:06.000 So maybe just let's start right there in this moment.
00:22:09.000 We've got Momdani on the rise in New York and Mehdi Hassan's marching alongside him.
00:22:14.000 Now the whole Democratic Party's come alongside.
00:22:17.000 Diagnose our current moment and this dynamic that is playing out right before our eyes.
00:22:22.000 Yeah, well, I think, you know, Mehdi Hassan came onto my radar a couple of weeks ago because he was defending the idea that we should have a Muslim call to prayer and he said it's no different than church bells.
00:22:35.000 Of course, you know, a Muslim call to prayer for one thing plays at five in the morning.
00:22:39.000 I've never heard a church bell go off at five in the morning.
00:22:41.000 But more importantly, a church bell is a, it's Christian.
00:22:44.000 It's a Christian church that is playing.
00:22:46.000 It's part of living in America because we are a Christian country.
00:22:49.000 A Muslim call to prayer is not part of American culture.
00:22:53.000 We are not a Muslim country. 1.00
00:22:54.000 You can go to dozens of other countries on the planet to hear the Muslim call to prayer whenever you want to hear it, but that's not the case in our country. 0.99
00:23:01.000 And the call to prayer is a public thing.
00:23:03.000 It's like you are announcing this to the public, and that's not our culture.
00:23:07.000 We're not a Muslim country. 1.00
00:23:09.000 And so, you know, that's the point I wanted to make to him, even though we should also be clear about Mediasan in particular, that this obviously on his own is a very inconsequential person.
00:23:21.000 He was, you know, he got fired from his MSNBC gig where I think I looked it up in his key demo.
00:23:26.000 He was getting like 37,000 views an episode or something.
00:23:29.000 So he got fired.
00:23:31.000 No one's really paid attention to him.
00:23:33.000 But the reason why it matters is because this is just one guy, but he's representative of a problem.
00:23:39.000 And the problem are, you know, immigrants who come to this country and believe that we are, as Americans, it is our job to assimilate to them rather than them assimilate to us. 1.00
00:23:52.000 And this is the one thing that I think people have gotten wrong.
00:23:54.000 I've gotten wrong because I've said in the past that, well, the problem is we have immigrants who come here and they don't assimilate. 1.00
00:24:00.000 They don't, you know, we've gotten rid of assimilation. 0.97
00:24:02.000 The whole melting pot thing was a misnomer.
00:24:05.000 It didn't happen.
00:24:06.000 Well, that's not exactly correct because what's actually happened is you get these immigrants like Mehdi Assan, like Zohar and Mamdani who come here and they do believe in assimilation, but they think assimilation should go the other way.
00:24:16.000 We should assimilate to them.
00:24:18.000 And in fact, Mehdi even said that I think his word, he said, well, I'm just as American as anyone else.
00:24:24.000 Okay, you're a Muslim.
00:24:26.000 You're an Indian Muslim who came here from the UK 10 years ago to work at Al Jazeera.
00:24:32.000 And you're just as American as anyone else.
00:24:35.000 You're just as American as an American whose family's been here for 200 years.
00:24:39.000 Really, you're just as American as them. 0.94
00:24:41.000 Does anyone believe that?
00:24:42.000 No, nobody believes that.
00:24:43.000 It's total nonsense.
00:24:45.000 And I think we're reaching a point now in our culture where people are standing up and saying that because Americans are sick and tired of this.
00:24:50.000 Well, absolutely.
00:24:51.000 And by the way, Mehdi Hassan has now come after Charlie, you know, who's not with us to defend himself anymore.
00:24:59.000 Go ahead and throw out 158 here.
00:25:02.000 So this is Mehdi Hassan basically quote tweeting DC Drano, who was showing an image of Charlie, who was saying that it's not Islamophobic to notice that Muslims are coming into our country and demanding that we live according to their rules.
00:25:19.000 And now they are going to rule over us because you even see this in the mayoral race in New York City where Cuomo is now being castigated for not visiting a Muslim mosque.
00:25:28.000 And so Hassan says, Mehdi Hassan says, a reminder of what a racist bigot Kirk was and how much hate he incited against minorities.
00:25:37.000 So now he's playing victim.
00:25:39.000 See, this is like the rule book, right?
00:25:41.000 They come in, they take advantage of our generosity and our open society, and then they start playing victim because we start noticing that they're doing things that we don't like and we call it out.
00:25:51.000 Matt, what is your reaction to Mehdi Hassan calling Charlie Kirk a racist bigot?
00:25:55.000 Well, I mean, it's pretty rich coming from someone who is himself, is himself legitimately a racist bigot.
00:26:02.000 He's on the record anytime.
00:26:04.000 He hates white people.
00:26:05.000 He hates Christians.
00:26:06.000 He's just seething with hatred.
00:26:08.000 And that's the only thing he brought to this country. 0.98
00:26:11.000 That is what he has offered to us as an immigrant.
00:26:13.000 He's come here to bring us hatred and hatred specifically for the people who actually built this country.
00:26:19.000 Because that's the other thing we should be clear about.
00:26:24.000 Another thing that Mehdi has said is that, well, Muslims helped to build this country.
00:26:28.000 Muslims built this country the same way that anyone else did. 1.00
00:26:31.000 And that is just not true.
00:26:34.000 Islam had nothing to do with this country. 1.00
00:26:36.000 Muslims contributed basically nothing to it whatsoever. 0.98
00:26:39.000 They were here in very, very small numbers up until actually after 9-11.
00:26:44.000 People don't realize this, but the Muslim population in this country exploded and became substantial over the last 20 years.
00:26:56.000 Prior to that, prior to 9-11, there was 500,000 and maybe a million Muslims.
00:27:00.000 Now there's what, four or five million.
00:27:02.000 So this is how the country responded.
00:27:04.000 This is how our government responded after 9-11.
00:27:06.000 Not only was there not any campaign of persecution of Muslims after 9-11, despite what Zoran Mamdani has claimed, not only did that not happen, but the exact opposite happened, that the government bent over backwards to apologize to Muslims.
00:27:21.000 I mean, George W. Bush, six days after 9-11, the rubble is still burning.
00:27:24.000 He's out in front of the, you know, he's standing up there declaring that Islam is a religion of peace.
00:27:29.000 And then we turned around and started importing Muslims en masse into this country. 1.00
00:27:33.000 And what really gets me about it is, among other things, is just the lack of humility and gratitude.
00:27:42.000 When Zoran Mamdani gets up there and starts complaining, starts talking about how his aunt, who apparently doesn't actually exist, was the real victim of 9-11.
00:27:53.000 She felt uncomfortable wearing a hijab on the train.
00:27:55.000 No one even, nothing happened to her.
00:27:57.000 She just felt uncomfortable wearing it.
00:27:59.000 And so, and he's in tears.
00:28:00.000 25 years later, he's in tears about it still.
00:28:03.000 He can barely even talk about it.
00:28:04.000 But number one, that's a bogus story.
00:28:07.000 But number two, where is your gratitude?
00:28:12.000 You know, Muslims have been treated better in this country than white American Christians ever would be in a Muslim country. 1.00
00:28:19.000 In fact, Muslims have been treated better in this country than they would be treated in most Muslim countries. 0.97
00:28:24.000 And rather than ever getting a thank you, rather than acknowledgement of that, all we get is this just constant accusations and blaming and complaining.
00:28:33.000 And like I said, I think Americans are just. 1.00
00:28:35.000 I think that's actually the real thing is it's not even just that they're not grateful.
00:28:40.000 I think it really is, it actually is a culture of genuine resentment.
00:28:43.000 Like it is resentment for how much better America is, how much better Christian society has been than any Muslim country in history. 0.82
00:28:52.000 It's not a coincidence that Mehdi Hassan's family chose to settle in the UK rather than any Muslim country.
00:28:58.000 It's not a coincidence that when he decided to leave the UK, he went to another Western, you know, historically Christian country rather than any Muslim country. 0.62
00:29:07.000 That's not a coincidence.
00:29:08.000 And then especially, it really is like this culture of resentment that Mamdani can come to this country, which let in a ton of people like him after 9-11. 1.00
00:29:18.000 And then his platform is guilt-tripping you because his abuela or whatever, whatever relevant name decides to call her auntie.
00:29:26.000 Because with people felt uncomfortable.
00:29:29.000 And also just like his plan, which I think has not been highlighted nearly as much as it should.
00:29:34.000 His explicit policy plan is he wants to up taxes on white neighborhoods.
00:29:38.000 Like he'll just put that in his thing.
00:29:39.000 Whiter neighborhoods should pay more money so I can funnel to people like me who are aggrieved at America for the sin of letting us in.
00:29:47.000 But it is pretty amazing that they tried to create this new standard that Christians and Jews who have been mayor of New York, running for mayor of New York, that they don't go to enough mosques.
00:29:57.000 Like that would be a standard for being a good mayor.
00:30:00.000 It's not that you're free to practice Islam in New York City.
00:30:02.000 It's that you have to be to be a great mayor.
00:30:04.000 You have to go to mosque all the time. 0.99
00:30:05.000 They've tried to pull that over on us.
00:30:07.000 And Matt Connolly, which is great.
00:30:09.000 If I ever go to a mosque for any reason other than as a tourist.
00:30:12.000 So I won't do that, but I point made.
00:30:15.000 Matt, so you are highlighting something, though, that this is really a failure of our elites in our immigration policy.
00:30:22.000 You tweeted here: 167, one in five New Yorkers can't speak the English language.
00:30:27.000 40% were not born in this country.
00:30:30.000 New York is not an American city anymore.
00:30:33.000 I think this is what we need to really fix our eyes on: that this is ultimately a failure of our immigration policies.
00:30:41.000 We should not, as millennials, I think everybody's basically a millennial on this panel right now.
00:30:48.000 We should not be forced to be even having this debate.
00:30:51.000 This is a world that we inherited because our elites failed to protect our country against people that don't like us and are allowed to move here. 1.00
00:31:00.000 Matt Walsh.
00:31:02.000 Yeah, people who don't like us and in many cases have not come to contribute anything, but have come instead to live off of the labor of actual Americans to live off of the fruits of trees that they didn't plant.
00:31:15.000 And that's one of the key differences between immigrants today, not all of them, but one of the key differences between immigration in general today as opposed to 100 years ago or 200 years ago.
00:31:24.000 Because one thing about that, I pointed out that 40% weren't born in this country, 20% don't speak English.
00:31:29.000 There were a bunch of responses, of course, from leftists saying, well, I got you this time because, you know, did you know 100 years ago, there were even more people as a percentage who didn't speak English?
00:31:41.000 That's the claim.
00:31:42.000 And even if that's, let's just pretend that that's true.
00:31:45.000 Let's just say for the sake of argument, that's true.
00:31:47.000 Well, that is, again, the left failing to understand, or pretending at least they don't understand the key difference, the difference in kind between immigration today and immigration back in the earlier years of this country.
00:31:59.000 Okay, because back 100 years ago, 200 years ago, people were coming to this country. 0.57
00:32:04.000 First of all, this was not an influx of third worlders coming into this country.
00:32:08.000 That's difference number one.
00:32:10.000 Difference number two is related to that.
00:32:11.000 These were people 100 years ago, 150, 200 years ago, who were coming here to actually help build the country.
00:32:18.000 They were coming, they were, we were still in, you know, coming in on the ground floor to help build this country.
00:32:25.000 These were like the pioneer spirits, settlers, right, who were coming.
00:32:29.000 And that's not the case anymore because this country is settled.
00:32:32.000 It's built.
00:32:32.000 And so now you have immigrants coming from the third world who, rather than coming to build anything, are coming to live in what has already been built, coming to take advantage of what has already been done, coming to be fed by us.
00:32:47.000 And that is obviously a huge difference that I think any thinking person can see.
00:32:52.000 And fundamentally, transform it.
00:32:55.000 It's not just this is the whole point.
00:32:56.000 They're accelerating.
00:32:58.000 We all reject diversity as our strength, okay?
00:33:00.000 But think of it from the negative.
00:33:02.000 Conserving what we have is our weakness.
00:33:04.000 That's their view: we conserve what America is all about, our traditional values, Judeo-Christian values.
00:33:10.000 That's a weakness.
00:33:10.000 That's how they see it.
00:33:11.000 It's very clear now.
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00:34:23.000 So I'm going to play a clip from Charlie talking about Islam because this is the Charlie Kirk show.
00:34:27.000 It bears his name.
00:34:28.000 We will forever remember his legacy and remember his work.
00:34:32.000 But it just strikes me, guys, that this is a problem that we should not have to deal with.
00:34:39.000 This is such a failure of the open borders regime, of the end of civilization, thinking that we'd conquered the future.
00:34:47.000 And there's just a hubris that some in a generation before us have exercised, and that we now have to face down a completely hostile invading force, an invading religion and ideology that Charlie hit the nail on the head.
00:35:05.000 Once again, let's go ahead and play cut 186.
00:35:07.000 This is Charlie on how Islam is impacting the country. 0.99
00:35:10.000 186.
00:35:11.000 You look at Europe.
00:35:13.000 The Islamist invasion brought to you by the secular humanist European technocratic elites is making Europe worse. 1.00
00:35:22.000 It's making Europe dirtier. 0.57
00:35:24.000 It's making Europe less safe.
00:35:26.000 It has no cultural identity.
00:35:27.000 It's decaying and collapsing as a nation.
00:35:31.000 There's no European identity left whatsoever. 0.93
00:35:34.000 And the worst part of it is that it's invited.
00:35:37.000 Islamism has a tendency to take over and metastasize like a cancer. 1.00
00:35:43.000 Immigration without assimilation is invasion, and Islam does not assimilate. 1.00
00:35:49.000 Islam conquers. 0.99
00:35:51.000 Islam takes over. 1.00
00:35:52.000 Islam devours. 1.00
00:35:56.000 Islam is an imperialistic, parasitic ideology. 1.00
00:36:00.000 Islam views itself as a conquering faith.
00:36:02.000 You have to pray five times a day, pointing towards a separate nation, pledging fealty to another nation. 0.52
00:36:08.000 Islam's own self-story is that we will take you over. 1.00
00:36:12.000 It's totalitarianism, masked as a religion.
00:36:16.000 It's one of my favorite riffs from Charlie.
00:36:20.000 Matt Walsh, your reaction to what we just heard from Charlie.
00:36:24.000 Well, as usual, he hit the nail on the head.
00:36:27.000 And we need to start speaking about it in those kinds of strong terms because, yeah, that's the thing.
00:36:34.000 I used to myself, I've admitted this before, that when I would hear conservatives worry about things like Sharia law coming to the United States, I used to think, well, I'm not as worried about that because we have leftism.
00:36:45.000 Like leftists are the opposite of Sharia law.
00:36:48.000 But it turns out that that concern is completely legitimate because, of course, obviously it's going to come, as Charlie pointed out, through mass migration.
00:36:58.000 And these are people who are not, they're just not interested in assimilation, which is another key difference between immigration today and immigration 100 years ago, 150 years ago.
00:37:06.000 There is no interest in assimilating into an American identity.
00:37:09.000 In fact, these are people that reject that America even has an identity to the extent that they acknowledge an American identity.
00:37:14.000 They hate it.
00:37:15.000 And so what do you end up with when you bring people like that into this country?
00:37:19.000 You end up with chaos.
00:37:20.000 Does anyone, here's the question you have to ask yourself as an American.
00:37:23.000 Does anyone want to live in a country that is more like the Middle East? 1.00
00:37:28.000 Do you consider it an improvement?
00:37:29.000 The more we resemble the Middle East, is that an improvement? 0.90
00:37:32.000 And I think every single American, every single one, would say no.
00:37:36.000 Apparently, a lot of Muslims feel that way because they don't move to those countries.
00:37:41.000 Yeah, there are 50 plus Muslim-majority nations on the planet.
00:37:45.000 50 plus.
00:37:47.000 And for whatever reason, they want to move to the Western nations.
00:37:51.000 I think we could speculate.
00:37:52.000 I don't think it's actually very speculative why they want to choose Western nations.
00:37:55.000 Obviously, the quality of the world.
00:37:57.000 Let's actually, let's fix it on that because it actually is not speculation.
00:38:00.000 We have when they were building one of those Islamic centers in, I think it was the one in Michigan, where they were gloating about the fact, oh, we can build roads and have them named after great Islamic conquerors. 0.96
00:38:12.000 They are quite aware that they are in a rising demographic tide.
00:38:17.000 They brag about the fact that they are growing and growing and growing and gradually taking over these countries. 0.59
00:38:22.000 They do this publicly.
00:38:23.000 We don't need to beat around the bush for it.
00:38:25.000 So this is an email, Matt, and maybe you can respond to it.
00:38:28.000 This is from David.
00:38:28.000 He says, as a Muslim, the call to prayer should be programmed on their cell phones.
00:38:33.000 Remember, they received free cell phones from Obama.
00:38:36.000 Once it's time for call to prayer, it goes to their cell phones.
00:38:39.000 This is America.
00:38:39.000 Every religion is welcome.
00:38:40.000 And he says, P.S., why are so many Arabs in America who destroyed all the countries in the Middle East?
00:38:46.000 That is an argument that you will hear often, right?
00:38:49.000 You will hear that we invaded, and so now we have to invite. 0.69
00:38:52.000 We invaded and ruined their countries. 1.00
00:38:54.000 We bombed Iraq or whatever. 1.00
00:38:55.000 So now this is the reaction to the action.
00:39:00.000 What's your reaction to that?
00:39:02.000 Well, it's like it's a kind of a reparations argument.
00:39:04.000 That's the argument they're making.
00:39:07.000 To me, you're surrendering the argument.
00:39:12.000 The only argument that could possibly be compelling to me for why we should accept mass migration from any part of the world is if you can say, well, no, we should do this because this is going to help America to make life better for Americans, people who live here. 0.86
00:39:25.000 It's actually going to improve America.
00:39:27.000 And so that's why we should do it.
00:39:28.000 And if you're not even making that argument, if instead you're doing some reparations nonsense about we owe it to them because we invaded, well, it's like that's not even, that's, that's, you're not getting past, uh, you're not getting past step one on that one.
00:39:41.000 It's not even an argument.
00:39:42.000 Because by the way, I'm very much against, I'm very much opposed to wars of intervention.
00:39:47.000 I'm again, you know, I'm against all of that.
00:39:50.000 And I wish we hadn't done pretty much any of it.
00:39:53.000 But by the way, like, no, we, we didn't do that.
00:39:56.000 I didn't do that.
00:39:57.000 My children didn't do that.
00:39:59.000 My neighbors down the street didn't do that.
00:40:01.000 You know, if you, if you live in a town in Michigan where that now has become little Mecca and you got the call to prayer and streets being named after Muslims, you didn't do any of that.
00:40:14.000 So what is this we stuff?
00:40:16.000 So we, so it is our, we have to now pay the price.
00:40:20.000 We have to give up our national identity and our national sovereignty to pay for the sins of George Bush.
00:40:27.000 And meanwhile, George Bush is fine.
00:40:29.000 You know, he's living in a place where there's, you know, there are no third world immigrants. 1.00
00:40:32.000 He doesn't have to worry about that.
00:40:34.000 So no, we didn't do that.
00:40:37.000 And that's not something that we have to pay for.
00:40:40.000 And again, that's not the kind of argument that you should be making.
00:40:44.000 The only compelling argument you could possibly make is to somehow indicate to us how this helps America.
00:40:50.000 And you can't.
00:40:51.000 Matt, where do you think in the timeline liberals started to be comfortable with totalitarians just so long as they came from the third world?
00:40:59.000 Because it seemed like the liberals were the ones who are going to guard us in terms of freedom, the ability to have women do whatever they want, even if it's not good for them, all that stuff.
00:41:07.000 And then now we're here and it just feels like we got there pretty fast.
00:41:11.000 Yeah, it is.
00:41:11.000 Well, we know that the left, I think as everyone knows, the left has been totalitarian this entire time.
00:41:18.000 They don't, you know, they believe that we have the right to do whatever they, whatever they say.
00:41:24.000 We have the right to live according to how they want.
00:41:27.000 We have the right to adopt beliefs that they believe.
00:41:30.000 And so those are the only rights that they actually recognize.
00:41:33.000 Now, it is true.
00:41:34.000 So they always have had that totalitarian streak.
00:41:36.000 And maybe that's the answer.
00:41:37.000 Now, it is true, of course, that they're importing these third worlders who are a very different kind of totalitarian and who want to impose a lifestyle that in many cases completely contradicts the lifestyle the left wants to foist on us. 1.00
00:41:49.000 And so it's very strange bedfellows.
00:41:51.000 But I think ultimately the left, leftists, what do they hate the most?
00:41:57.000 They hate white people.
00:41:59.000 They hate Christians. 0.99
00:42:00.000 They hate Christendom.
00:42:02.000 And so, you know, the enemies of my enemies.
00:42:06.000 That's the way they look at it.
00:42:08.000 Matt, Matt, what's the, you're the world's foremost expert on the trans contagion. 1.00
00:42:12.000 What's the trans population like in some of these Arab countries that we're talking about?
00:42:16.000 I would guess it's about 1.3, I think, maybe one person and a third of another one.
00:42:26.000 Not many.
00:42:26.000 And, you know, famously, the whole LGBT alphabet soup, they don't fare too well in these countries, I'm told.
00:42:34.000 We got an email from Michael, and he says, gentlemen, Islamophobia is a composite term based on the Greek word phobia, meaning irrational fear of something that has no cause.
00:42:43.000 There are significant problems with this terminology, and I agree.
00:42:47.000 It's not irrational to fear someone who said they will kill you for your faith.
00:42:52.000 I have to say it's a really good point.
00:42:53.000 Matt, final 30 seconds here.
00:42:55.000 Islam of Islamophobia a real thing? 0.96
00:42:58.000 No, it's not real for the reason you just said.
00:43:01.000 There's nothing irrational.
00:43:02.000 And by the way, it's not for me.
00:43:03.000 It's not even fear either.
00:43:05.000 This is not about being afraid necessarily, at least not afraid for myself.
00:43:09.000 I'm afraid for my country.
00:43:10.000 I'm afraid for my children.
00:43:12.000 But there's nothing irrational about it.
00:43:14.000 We're just looking at what these people believe and what they do, and we're drawing logical conclusions.
00:43:19.000 The crime of noticing, according to the liberal, is the crime of being a racist bigot.
00:43:25.000 Racist, as Charlie used to always say.
00:43:28.000 Matt Walsh, host of the Matt Walsh Show.
00:43:30.000 Great American.
00:43:31.000 Appreciate you making the time for us today, my friend.
00:43:33.000 Thanks a lot, guys.
00:43:33.000 Appreciate it.
00:43:34.000 Take care.
00:43:35.000 Alex Marlow, it's also been a pleasure.
00:43:37.000 Thank you, Michael.
00:43:38.000 It's been really nice.
00:43:38.000 Nice to see you, gentlemen, in person.
00:43:40.000 We'll see you tomorrow here at the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:43:42.000 God bless Charlie Kirk.