SPANISH FOOD PODCASTS (SNAP) is going to run out on November 1st, and it's going to affect more than 40 million people. Will the government be able to function without food stamps and other food assistance?
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00:01:09.000All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:11.000A lot of you guys are emailing us about the SNAP benefits because we did the EBT Snap videos from TikTok of all the ladies that are threatening to just have a national shoplifting day, which is really interesting.
00:01:22.000So basically, you've got, we're in the 28th day of the shutdown.
00:01:26.000Come November 1st, SNAP benefits will terminate for more than 40 million people.
00:01:43.000I think the rate for people who are naturalized citizens is higher than for native-born American citizens.
00:01:48.000A lot of illegals get it because if you have an anchor baby in America, you can receive SNAP.
00:01:53.000And it's an important thing to remember where people food stamps, when we call them food stamps or SNAP or whatever, it's basically a psych because they'll say like, oh, you can only use it on necessities, but everyone does need to eat.
00:02:05.000And so it's essentially just a cash welfare program because money that you get for this can go to other things.
00:02:11.000People sell their SNAP benefits, of course.
00:02:13.000Anyone who's been in a bad part of town will know that this happens.
00:02:16.000You know, someone will buy you $25 worth of SNAP stuff and they'll give you a 20 in return, things like that.
00:02:26.000A lot of people, I mean, we're getting also emails from people who are themselves on it, who are saying, you know, people who are single parents or they're struggling where they're saying, I need this to get by.
00:02:37.000And is there a way that we can separate genuine need cases versus people who just don't want to work?
00:02:45.000And I think the bigger picture we have to ask ourselves, first of all, is who's going to win a shutdown of SNAP?
00:02:51.000Because it's sort of the microcosm of the bigger debate over this shutdown is, is it a Democrat thing that caused this to happen?
00:02:58.000Or is it the Republicans' fault that this is happening?
00:03:01.000I think they've both banked that they would win on this, but it seems like Trump may be ahead.
00:03:05.000I saw the other day, I think a major left wing labor group has been upping its agitation to do a clean extension on spending, because I do think there is some sense that.
00:03:16.000Yeah, the number one biggest federal workers union.
00:03:20.000Yeah, and they want the government open, and they're basically taking the Republicans' line on it, that is the Democrats who are the obstructionists, which was shocking to me.
00:03:27.000I did not expect that when you started actually reading the article.
00:03:31.000But this is really important here because when we're talking about SNAP, you go macro, you go big picture.
00:03:46.000What is over-indexed with the SNAP expenditures?
00:03:49.000It is all going to be junk food, and that's going to be offensive.
00:03:52.000But then there are people, as Blake notes, who legitimately do need it, are accustomed to it, count on it, and they're able to pay for other stuff that does contribute to the economy because some of their food stuff is subsidized.
00:04:04.000And we're just going to rip it away from them because, why?
00:04:07.000Because the Democrats want funding for illegal alien healthcare.
00:04:11.000And that is an opportunity for us to frame it up politically that no one's taken until it seems like this morning is the first day of the year.
00:04:17.000Yeah, dive into that a little bit more because now you're thinking like a messaging strategy, which is kind of where my head goes.
00:04:22.000And so, you know, basically you need to take their attack and reverse it onto them, which is really obvious because they're holding the whole government hostage.
00:04:32.000So Democrats are the ones that are keeping the 40 million people from getting their food stamps.
00:04:36.000Even though, listen, we all know that there's a lot of people on Snap that should not be on Snap, but it's really Democrats that are holding it hostage so that they can get healthcare for illegals.
00:04:46.000Now, they will say that that's not true, but it's all in the nuance.
00:05:52.000No, this is a blast, and hopefully we can do this more.
00:05:54.000But this is where we do need to reform SNAP and figure it out and put more regulation in place and just start getting people this context that we're importing people from all around the world to pick the pockets of tax-paying American citizens who are all squeezed right now, which was a lot of the topic last hour with Rich.
00:06:11.000Everyone's feeling squeezed, and aside from a handful of people, and that we don't have money for this stuff, and we shouldn't.
00:06:17.000That said, is now the time to really say, oh, you know what?
00:06:22.000We're taking away the sugary sodas from people.
00:06:24.000I don't know politically now that's the move.
00:06:26.000I think the move now is to frame it up as the Democrats took your benefits because Chuck Schumer is going to get primary by AOC and is going to lose his leadership job.
00:07:30.000Well, if you check every other program that we have numbers on, the usage rate among Somalis is extremely high.
00:07:35.000So the Somali population is extremely good at at least one thing.
00:07:39.000And I would presume a few other things.
00:07:42.000But they are good at working the system, exploiting the system, and defrauding the system.
00:07:48.000What you will see, what Americans are going to become more and more aware of as the years go by is that if you have relatively closed off, you know, separate communities in America that don't speak a ton of English, mostly interact among themselves, they can be very, very good at collectively getting a lot of money out of the system.
00:08:11.000And so what we've seen, this has been broken up repeatedly.
00:08:14.000Let's just use the Somali community as an example.
00:08:18.000The Somali community has an extra, they've been caught where they're having these clinics that diagnose kids with things like autism at a super high rate because you can get money for that.
00:08:29.000That was one, I think, like white Lutheran woman at the top of it.
00:08:33.000And then this gigantic apparatus of people where they were scamming the COVID aid system for Minnesota and the federal government by giving these fake meals to people who didn't exist.
00:08:42.000And dozens and dozens of people get involved in these scams.
00:08:46.000And with other communities, if you're in a kind of what you'd say, maybe ordinary, wider American community, it's difficult to pull off a scam of that size because other people just kind of go to the police about it and stuff.
00:08:58.000But when you're in a closed community that operates mostly under its own rules, they often don't talk to police.
00:09:04.000They don't interact with wider society.
00:09:08.000They're both more willing to try to exploit the system and they get away with it more easily.
00:09:12.000It's just, there's not a lot of ways to break it apart.
00:09:14.000And the Democrats see this as political opportunity because they're better at moving the blocks.
00:09:19.000We're trying to move individuals one person at a time, freedom.
00:09:52.000So she says, we, I assume maybe herself and her husband, we are seniors living on our Social Security check hand to mouth with the SNAP benefit.
00:10:31.000We desperately need prices to go down.
00:10:33.000I would love to hear a plan from Trump addressing this and how to start producing more in our country, especially when it comes to meat producers.
00:10:40.000Listen, there's no way around it when it comes to healthcare.
00:10:43.000People are really frustrated with how much it costs and how to pay for it.
00:10:48.000The usual ways we've been doing this have only gotten more expensive, more complicated, and honestly, just aggravating.
00:10:53.000And that's why MetaShare is such a welcome relief.
00:12:50.000Josh Holly was out there today with the big piece saying that we need to just restore all of it right away in a one-off bill, which Senator Thune doesn't want to do any of that because he thinks that it's just going to open up Pandora's box of everyone having their pet project come to the fore.
00:13:03.000But Holly has really interesting political instincts because he's operating in a space, is really purely populist Republican side, and he's a good bellwether for a real core part of the base.
00:13:14.000We're talking about moving blocks of voters.
00:13:16.000He's speaking to a very serious block of voters who are disenfranchised by a lot of people in this country.
00:13:21.000And so I think it's very noteworthy that it's hilarious to watch the TikToks and we know there's going to be looting and it's reading the data just offends anyone with a brain.
00:13:31.000But there really are people who have come to rely on it and yanking it away is not a small thing.
00:13:40.000Of course we want to reform SNAP so that only people that are Americans that need it, that are actually just like this elderly couple that you read the email from, get the benefits.
00:13:49.000But politically in the short term, I think we have to.
00:13:51.000In general, it is a real concern that the dependency of the United States has gone up.
00:13:58.000And it doesn't necessarily mean that no one is deserving of it or no one needs it, but there has been a pattern over time that more Americans have gotten hooked on some degree of government money.
00:14:08.000I mean, this has even come up with these Obamacare subsidies.
00:14:11.000A lot of these, I think, aren't a lot of these just subsidies they passed during COVID?
00:14:15.000And then now, oh, turns out we need them forever because people are hooked on them now.
00:14:19.000And they do that for a lot of different reasons.
00:14:57.000I mean, there's so much about government spending, to Blake's earlier point, that once you unleash the subsidy, once you unleash the welfare, once you unleash the spending, it never comes back down.
00:15:09.000And, you know, I think one thing we can say about this is this whole display of people freaking out that SNAP might be suspended for a week maybe or a few weeks.
00:15:20.000It does show, even if you don't act dramatically now, you do need to see it as a crisis long term, that there is a very high level of dependency built into the American people.
00:15:50.000And it was difficult to expand these programs.
00:15:52.000And now it's become much more a pattern of almost, you know, I got mine, you know, the people who will try to get their cut of a big pile of federal money.
00:16:01.000And that's not just going to be in the form of food stamps.
00:16:03.000It's going to be in the form of Medicaid, which we expanded a lot under Obama, and they kept expanding it.
00:16:09.000And we were saying during the break that a lot of this fight now over Obamacare is a subsidy they added during COVID.
00:16:15.000And now it turns out we just can never get rid of it because people have become dependent on that as well.
00:16:19.000And well, guys, you can look at the federal budget deficit, how much it goes.
00:16:23.000We're now averaging, what, $1.5 trillion a year in that deficit.
00:16:30.000All I will say is no nation, I like history, as Charlie knew, no nation has ever just borrowed money endlessly and gotten away with it forever.
00:17:04.000And no, I mean, it is a fiscal cliff that we are facing.
00:17:08.000And nobody ever wants to get serious about it because we live in an unserious time where everybody just makes TikTok videos about how they're going to loot their local grocery store if they don't get Uncle Sam to say it.
00:17:20.000The economic populist side, and this is, again, we go back to the first thing that we talked about in the show now, one is that you have a diversion.
00:17:27.000You have two roads diverge in a wood right now.
00:17:31.000You've got the MAGA national populism, and you've got the Mamdaniism, right?
00:17:38.000Which is going to be grievance-driven populism.
00:17:41.000And because we have debased our currency, because we have flooded the market with cheap money, easy money, because you have inflated, especially during COVID, the asset valuations of the elite and the equity-holding rich people in this country, they got richer during COVID, right?
00:17:57.000The money that we flushed into the system just went straight to the top.
00:18:00.000And they got a lot of government handouts.
00:18:02.000And we made it easier for them to do this.
00:18:26.000And so a lot of these people that are on snap benefits, it's kind of like, well, some of our economic policies that we've been pursuing, this massive debt and deficit spending, have accentuated an already tenuous situation.
00:18:39.000And I think what's interesting here is that we're in a different media landscape where the Democrats would have won this fight by blaming on the Republicans.
00:18:45.000But now that the media's been so discredited and they've never been less credible since the way they handled the assassination of Charlie Kirk, I think that may have been just the final dagger in the media and their credibility.
00:18:57.000And so because they might not be able to wrestle this narrative back for the Democrats, the Republicans can exert maximum leverage, say that we're not going to cave to your demands on this thing.
00:19:06.000You're going to have to take the blame for it.
00:19:07.000And the closer we get towards Thanksgiving, you might start seeing the Republicans say, well, we're not going to negotiate any CRs.
00:19:13.000We're going to do a much broader spending package and you guys are going to have less negotiation leverage there with the Democrats.
00:19:18.000And they could find themselves having totally misplayed this.
00:19:21.000And we could just be a few weeks off from seeing something really pretty amazing politically.
00:19:46.000I see some of the folks on social media like Mike Johnson and others are trying to make that point, but I don't know that it's getting through yet.
00:19:53.000But shows like ours, others can hopefully make that point for them.
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00:21:10.000First time back on the show since immediately in the aftermath.
00:21:14.000And so it's great to see you, my friend.
00:21:15.000And I had to have you on because I just feel like sometimes we get in these seasons where there's just like these ex-feuds just break out and they're pretty glorious to watch.
00:21:28.000And you are more than holding your own right now because you are going after a sacred cow of modernity in the West, and that is Islam.
00:21:39.000We've been talking about on the show before you got on.
00:21:41.000But basically, there is a guy, for those who are not aware, named Mehdi Hassan.
00:21:46.000He's an uppity foreigner who's moved to this country and is now telling us what to do.
00:21:50.000And now he's going after guys like you, Matt, and basically telling us that, hey, listen, the Muslim call to prayer is the same thing as church bells.
00:21:58.000And he's more American and more patriotic than Americans are.
00:22:01.000And we have opinions about that on the show.
00:22:04.000I know you have opinions about that, Matt.
00:22:06.000So maybe just let's start right there in this moment.
00:22:09.000We've got Momdani on the rise in New York and Mehdi Hassan's marching alongside him.
00:22:14.000Now the whole Democratic Party's come alongside.
00:22:17.000Diagnose our current moment and this dynamic that is playing out right before our eyes.
00:22:22.000Yeah, well, I think, you know, Mehdi Hassan came onto my radar a couple of weeks ago because he was defending the idea that we should have a Muslim call to prayer and he said it's no different than church bells.
00:22:35.000Of course, you know, a Muslim call to prayer for one thing plays at five in the morning.
00:22:39.000I've never heard a church bell go off at five in the morning.
00:22:41.000But more importantly, a church bell is a, it's Christian.
00:22:44.000It's a Christian church that is playing.
00:22:46.000It's part of living in America because we are a Christian country.
00:22:49.000A Muslim call to prayer is not part of American culture.
00:22:54.000You can go to dozens of other countries on the planet to hear the Muslim call to prayer whenever you want to hear it, but that's not the case in our country.
00:23:01.000And the call to prayer is a public thing.
00:23:03.000It's like you are announcing this to the public, and that's not our culture.
00:23:09.000And so, you know, that's the point I wanted to make to him, even though we should also be clear about Mediasan in particular, that this obviously on his own is a very inconsequential person.
00:23:21.000He was, you know, he got fired from his MSNBC gig where I think I looked it up in his key demo.
00:23:26.000He was getting like 37,000 views an episode or something.
00:23:31.000No one's really paid attention to him.
00:23:33.000But the reason why it matters is because this is just one guy, but he's representative of a problem.
00:23:39.000And the problem are, you know, immigrants who come to this country and believe that we are, as Americans, it is our job to assimilate to them rather than them assimilate to us.
00:23:52.000And this is the one thing that I think people have gotten wrong.
00:23:54.000I've gotten wrong because I've said in the past that, well, the problem is we have immigrants who come here and they don't assimilate.
00:24:00.000They don't, you know, we've gotten rid of assimilation.
00:24:02.000The whole melting pot thing was a misnomer.
00:24:06.000Well, that's not exactly correct because what's actually happened is you get these immigrants like Mehdi Assan, like Zohar and Mamdani who come here and they do believe in assimilation, but they think assimilation should go the other way.
00:24:45.000And I think we're reaching a point now in our culture where people are standing up and saying that because Americans are sick and tired of this.
00:25:02.000So this is Mehdi Hassan basically quote tweeting DC Drano, who was showing an image of Charlie, who was saying that it's not Islamophobic to notice that Muslims are coming into our country and demanding that we live according to their rules.
00:25:19.000And now they are going to rule over us because you even see this in the mayoral race in New York City where Cuomo is now being castigated for not visiting a Muslim mosque.
00:25:28.000And so Hassan says, Mehdi Hassan says, a reminder of what a racist bigot Kirk was and how much hate he incited against minorities.
00:25:39.000See, this is like the rule book, right?
00:25:41.000They come in, they take advantage of our generosity and our open society, and then they start playing victim because we start noticing that they're doing things that we don't like and we call it out.
00:25:51.000Matt, what is your reaction to Mehdi Hassan calling Charlie Kirk a racist bigot?
00:25:55.000Well, I mean, it's pretty rich coming from someone who is himself, is himself legitimately a racist bigot.
00:27:04.000This is how our government responded after 9-11.
00:27:06.000Not only was there not any campaign of persecution of Muslims after 9-11, despite what Zoran Mamdani has claimed, not only did that not happen, but the exact opposite happened, that the government bent over backwards to apologize to Muslims.
00:27:21.000I mean, George W. Bush, six days after 9-11, the rubble is still burning.
00:27:24.000He's out in front of the, you know, he's standing up there declaring that Islam is a religion of peace.
00:27:29.000And then we turned around and started importing Muslims en masse into this country.
00:27:33.000And what really gets me about it is, among other things, is just the lack of humility and gratitude.
00:27:42.000When Zoran Mamdani gets up there and starts complaining, starts talking about how his aunt, who apparently doesn't actually exist, was the real victim of 9-11.
00:27:53.000She felt uncomfortable wearing a hijab on the train.
00:28:07.000But number two, where is your gratitude?
00:28:12.000You know, Muslims have been treated better in this country than white American Christians ever would be in a Muslim country.
00:28:19.000In fact, Muslims have been treated better in this country than they would be treated in most Muslim countries.
00:28:24.000And rather than ever getting a thank you, rather than acknowledgement of that, all we get is this just constant accusations and blaming and complaining.
00:28:33.000And like I said, I think Americans are just.
00:28:35.000I think that's actually the real thing is it's not even just that they're not grateful.
00:28:40.000I think it really is, it actually is a culture of genuine resentment.
00:28:43.000Like it is resentment for how much better America is, how much better Christian society has been than any Muslim country in history.
00:28:52.000It's not a coincidence that Mehdi Hassan's family chose to settle in the UK rather than any Muslim country.
00:28:58.000It's not a coincidence that when he decided to leave the UK, he went to another Western, you know, historically Christian country rather than any Muslim country.
00:29:08.000And then especially, it really is like this culture of resentment that Mamdani can come to this country, which let in a ton of people like him after 9-11.
00:29:18.000And then his platform is guilt-tripping you because his abuela or whatever, whatever relevant name decides to call her auntie.
00:29:26.000Because with people felt uncomfortable.
00:29:29.000And also just like his plan, which I think has not been highlighted nearly as much as it should.
00:29:34.000His explicit policy plan is he wants to up taxes on white neighborhoods.
00:29:38.000Like he'll just put that in his thing.
00:29:39.000Whiter neighborhoods should pay more money so I can funnel to people like me who are aggrieved at America for the sin of letting us in.
00:29:47.000But it is pretty amazing that they tried to create this new standard that Christians and Jews who have been mayor of New York, running for mayor of New York, that they don't go to enough mosques.
00:29:57.000Like that would be a standard for being a good mayor.
00:30:00.000It's not that you're free to practice Islam in New York City.
00:30:02.000It's that you have to be to be a great mayor.
00:30:04.000You have to go to mosque all the time.
00:30:05.000They've tried to pull that over on us.
00:30:30.000New York is not an American city anymore.
00:30:33.000I think this is what we need to really fix our eyes on: that this is ultimately a failure of our immigration policies.
00:30:41.000We should not, as millennials, I think everybody's basically a millennial on this panel right now.
00:30:48.000We should not be forced to be even having this debate.
00:30:51.000This is a world that we inherited because our elites failed to protect our country against people that don't like us and are allowed to move here.
00:31:02.000Yeah, people who don't like us and in many cases have not come to contribute anything, but have come instead to live off of the labor of actual Americans to live off of the fruits of trees that they didn't plant.
00:31:15.000And that's one of the key differences between immigrants today, not all of them, but one of the key differences between immigration in general today as opposed to 100 years ago or 200 years ago.
00:31:24.000Because one thing about that, I pointed out that 40% weren't born in this country, 20% don't speak English.
00:31:29.000There were a bunch of responses, of course, from leftists saying, well, I got you this time because, you know, did you know 100 years ago, there were even more people as a percentage who didn't speak English?
00:31:42.000And even if that's, let's just pretend that that's true.
00:31:45.000Let's just say for the sake of argument, that's true.
00:31:47.000Well, that is, again, the left failing to understand, or pretending at least they don't understand the key difference, the difference in kind between immigration today and immigration back in the earlier years of this country.
00:31:59.000Okay, because back 100 years ago, 200 years ago, people were coming to this country.
00:32:04.000First of all, this was not an influx of third worlders coming into this country.
00:32:32.000And so now you have immigrants coming from the third world who, rather than coming to build anything, are coming to live in what has already been built, coming to take advantage of what has already been done, coming to be fed by us.
00:32:47.000And that is obviously a huge difference that I think any thinking person can see.
00:34:28.000We will forever remember his legacy and remember his work.
00:34:32.000But it just strikes me, guys, that this is a problem that we should not have to deal with.
00:34:39.000This is such a failure of the open borders regime, of the end of civilization, thinking that we'd conquered the future.
00:34:47.000And there's just a hubris that some in a generation before us have exercised, and that we now have to face down a completely hostile invading force, an invading religion and ideology that Charlie hit the nail on the head.
00:35:05.000Once again, let's go ahead and play cut 186.
00:35:07.000This is Charlie on how Islam is impacting the country.
00:35:56.000Islam is an imperialistic, parasitic ideology.
00:36:00.000Islam views itself as a conquering faith.
00:36:02.000You have to pray five times a day, pointing towards a separate nation, pledging fealty to another nation.
00:36:08.000Islam's own self-story is that we will take you over.
00:36:12.000It's totalitarianism, masked as a religion.
00:36:16.000It's one of my favorite riffs from Charlie.
00:36:20.000Matt Walsh, your reaction to what we just heard from Charlie.
00:36:24.000Well, as usual, he hit the nail on the head.
00:36:27.000And we need to start speaking about it in those kinds of strong terms because, yeah, that's the thing.
00:36:34.000I used to myself, I've admitted this before, that when I would hear conservatives worry about things like Sharia law coming to the United States, I used to think, well, I'm not as worried about that because we have leftism.
00:36:45.000Like leftists are the opposite of Sharia law.
00:36:48.000But it turns out that that concern is completely legitimate because, of course, obviously it's going to come, as Charlie pointed out, through mass migration.
00:36:58.000And these are people who are not, they're just not interested in assimilation, which is another key difference between immigration today and immigration 100 years ago, 150 years ago.
00:37:06.000There is no interest in assimilating into an American identity.
00:37:09.000In fact, these are people that reject that America even has an identity to the extent that they acknowledge an American identity.
00:37:57.000Let's actually, let's fix it on that because it actually is not speculation.
00:38:00.000We have when they were building one of those Islamic centers in, I think it was the one in Michigan, where they were gloating about the fact, oh, we can build roads and have them named after great Islamic conquerors.
00:38:12.000They are quite aware that they are in a rising demographic tide.
00:38:17.000They brag about the fact that they are growing and growing and growing and gradually taking over these countries.
00:39:07.000To me, you're surrendering the argument.
00:39:12.000The only argument that could possibly be compelling to me for why we should accept mass migration from any part of the world is if you can say, well, no, we should do this because this is going to help America to make life better for Americans, people who live here.
00:39:25.000It's actually going to improve America.
00:39:28.000And if you're not even making that argument, if instead you're doing some reparations nonsense about we owe it to them because we invaded, well, it's like that's not even, that's, that's, you're not getting past, uh, you're not getting past step one on that one.
00:39:59.000My neighbors down the street didn't do that.
00:40:01.000You know, if you, if you live in a town in Michigan where that now has become little Mecca and you got the call to prayer and streets being named after Muslims, you didn't do any of that.
00:40:51.000Matt, where do you think in the timeline liberals started to be comfortable with totalitarians just so long as they came from the third world?
00:40:59.000Because it seemed like the liberals were the ones who are going to guard us in terms of freedom, the ability to have women do whatever they want, even if it's not good for them, all that stuff.
00:41:07.000And then now we're here and it just feels like we got there pretty fast.
00:41:37.000Now, it is true, of course, that they're importing these third worlders who are a very different kind of totalitarian and who want to impose a lifestyle that in many cases completely contradicts the lifestyle the left wants to foist on us.
00:42:26.000And, you know, famously, the whole LGBT alphabet soup, they don't fare too well in these countries, I'm told.
00:42:34.000We got an email from Michael, and he says, gentlemen, Islamophobia is a composite term based on the Greek word phobia, meaning irrational fear of something that has no cause.
00:42:43.000There are significant problems with this terminology, and I agree.
00:42:47.000It's not irrational to fear someone who said they will kill you for your faith.
00:42:52.000I have to say it's a really good point.