The Charlie Kirk Show - December 09, 2025


“Hell to Pay:” Citizen Kane Returns


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In this episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, host Charlie Kirk is joined by Andrew Yang, who has not been a regular guest on the show since the early days of the show. They discuss the impact of the Big 'Big' $333 billion deficit reduction bill that passed the House of Representatives in February of 2011.

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00:01:09.000 All right.
00:01:09.000 Welcome back.
00:01:10.000 Hour two of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:12.000 And I am extraordinarily excited about our next guest.
00:01:16.000 And I'll tell you why, because he is a dear friend.
00:01:19.000 And he has not been back on the show since we lost Charlie.
00:01:22.000 And he, at various points in this show's history, has been a regular.
00:01:27.000 He even joined us in Detroit.
00:01:28.000 We're going to play that clip.
00:01:30.000 And that, of course, is Kane from Citizen Free Press.
00:01:34.000 Very excited to have you back on the show, my friend.
00:01:37.000 Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:39.000 Yeah, happy to be here, Andrew.
00:01:41.000 I checked, you know, on the Zoom Infight for this interview.
00:01:45.000 It was February 13th.
00:01:47.000 That was the last time you were on?
00:01:49.000 Yeah, that was the last time I on.
00:01:50.000 So you and I talked, obviously, February, March, April.
00:01:53.000 I remember we DM back and forth, but I was just, as you know, I got pissed off about deficits, about the deficits, right, in the big, beautiful bill.
00:02:02.000 And I was having a battle with Besson and Russ Vogt.
00:02:07.000 And, you know, and so I just was negative, man.
00:02:10.000 All I would have had to say was negative stuff about how there wasn't enough, there weren't enough spending cuts.
00:02:16.000 So I just, I ducked out of the media scene for six months or so.
00:02:20.000 Yeah, you know, that's interesting.
00:02:21.000 And Blake will remember this as well.
00:02:23.000 We kind of went through our own journey and Charlie went through his own journey with the big, beautiful bill.
00:02:29.000 And I think it really turned for him when we had Stephen Miller on the show.
00:02:34.000 It was an extended conversation, like 30, 35 minutes, and it went viral, you know, kind of explaining the nuances of the bill, why Stephen Miller was in support of it.
00:02:44.000 Obviously, he's part of the administration, so you've got to assume that he's, you know, going to say supportive things.
00:02:50.000 But it was actually an incredibly compelling moment.
00:02:53.000 And I remember that clip went viral and really helped galvanize a lot of the basis support for that bill.
00:02:59.000 But listen, we understand everybody wanted less spending.
00:03:02.000 We all want less spending.
00:03:03.000 We do.
00:03:03.000 But yeah, go ahead, Ken.
00:03:04.000 Yeah.
00:03:05.000 Well, yeah, I was going to say I understood Besson's point the whole time, and I even tried to promote it.
00:03:10.000 You know, I was giving them a fair shake.
00:03:11.000 And what he was saying was basically this, you know, 300, I think the spending cut number, you know, for the first year was $156 billion.
00:03:20.000 And his point was, look, if we cut $300 billion or $350 or $400 billion out of discretionary, it's actually going to take a 1% slice out of GDP.
00:03:31.000 And that's what he was worried about.
00:03:32.000 He was saying, give them four years.
00:03:34.000 They're going to get this right.
00:03:35.000 He was talking all about measuring it as a percentage of GDP.
00:03:39.000 So he's like, we're at 7% now.
00:03:40.000 Give us four years.
00:03:41.000 We'll get it into the threes.
00:03:43.000 We'll get it down to, you know, to where the annual deficit is just 3.5% of GDP.
00:03:48.000 And I understood his point.
00:03:49.000 And that's what Stephen Miller was talking about.
00:03:51.000 I was just, you know, as I've told you privately, right?
00:03:54.000 The whole reason I'm into politics that I got radicalized back in 1987 when I was working at CNN was the national debt.
00:04:03.000 And that's when it crossed like a trillion and a half or $2 trillion.
00:04:06.000 So I just, you know, it's, I have a stick up my butt about the debt and deficit.
00:04:11.000 And just that's, you know, I figured somehow I got this large audience after eight years, right?
00:04:16.000 And I might as well use it.
00:04:18.000 And so I used it to just kind of drive the point that Senator Johnson and a few others were really making about cuts.
00:04:25.000 But anyway, I'm over it.
00:04:26.000 I was never against the bill.
00:04:27.000 And I made that clear on the final day that I fully supported it.
00:04:31.000 Anyway, whatever.
00:04:32.000 I don't want to get admirable.
00:04:34.000 That's admirable because we do need people to care about that.
00:04:38.000 We can't forget about it because people, it's the thing everyone in the country loves to just push under the rug, but the rug is getting very elevated at this point.
00:04:48.000 But we wanted to have you on, Kane, because what Charlie loved talking to you about so much was you have those links out there.
00:04:57.000 You see what people are clicking on, what they care about.
00:04:59.000 You are an incredibly good vibes reader, as it were.
00:05:04.000 And we've had a lot of discussion this last fall about what are the vibes on the right.
00:05:09.000 Are they feeling optimistic?
00:05:11.000 Are they feeling downbeat?
00:05:12.000 How quickly can one change change from the one to the other?
00:05:16.000 So the floor is yours on that question.
00:05:18.000 Well, here's what I would say quickly.
00:05:20.000 I would say, you know what?
00:05:21.000 The base is fine.
00:05:22.000 They're maybe scared.
00:05:24.000 And I'm going to make the distinction between the Twitter base and the base that never goes on Twitter unless they're on a link, you know, from CFP, people who don't have Twitter accounts.
00:05:34.000 So again, the scared part, why is that?
00:05:36.000 Well, it's always the same thing that we get our butts kicked in these special elections, in these off-year elections.
00:05:42.000 And Charlie and I would go through that.
00:05:43.000 He would be like, chill out, Kane.
00:05:45.000 It's going to be okay.
00:05:46.000 We're going to get turnout in 2024.
00:05:48.000 And not, if you, I mean, you remember we lost, what, 13 straight of those special elect or Democrats overperformed in 13 straight.
00:05:56.000 So anyway, they're scared because of that.
00:05:57.000 And I'm going to play a clip from this was your first public appearance with Charlie and I in Detroit at our People's Convention last year.
00:06:05.000 Let's go ahead and play 147.
00:06:08.000 If we do not expand our base with new voter registration and high turnout, we are not going to win.
00:06:13.000 And the higher turnout, the higher likelihood that we are going to win.
00:06:17.000 And Democrats know this.
00:06:19.000 And so we need to engage in every legal way we possibly can to make it too big to rig.
00:06:24.000 And Kane, if our elections were actually honest and secure, what would the result end up being?
00:06:29.000 I want people to understand what Turning Point Ashton, Turning Point USA has been doing over the last six months regarding chasing the vote.
00:06:35.000 All right.
00:06:36.000 What Andrew just talked about, the low propensity voters, we've got to get out and register at all, you know, play by the rules.
00:06:44.000 We don't like these rules.
00:06:45.000 We don't think that absentee ballots are the way to go for the future.
00:06:48.000 But as long as they're part of the system, we have to use that.
00:06:52.000 It's a good memory, Kane.
00:06:54.000 Hey, Kane, if you can hear me, I'm not sure if you're with us or if we're reconnecting you, but I actually, you and I reconnected recently, and I was telling you, I've gotten a bunch of emails at freedom at charliekirk.com saying, where's Citizen Free Press?
00:07:07.000 Where's Kane?
00:07:08.000 Where is he?
00:07:08.000 I'm now looking through some of our emails.
00:07:11.000 In fact, I think I was even, we were inspired to reach out to him again because we had an email from Samantha just a few weeks ago.
00:07:18.000 Hey, Blake and Andrew, has anyone checked in with Citizen Kane?
00:07:22.000 Is he doing okay?
00:07:23.000 And I said, yes, we still talk to him.
00:07:25.000 He's doing well, but we actually need to get him on the show.
00:07:28.000 All right.
00:07:28.000 Well, so this is a good time to bring up the updates in Indiana.
00:07:32.000 I cannot tell you how many emails I've gotten or texts from reporters about Indiana.
00:07:37.000 So we announced this last week.
00:07:38.000 We had a rally there at the state house in Indiana.
00:07:43.000 And there is a big, big fight that is brewing right now.
00:07:47.000 And it's going to come to a head probably this week where they are going to vote on the new maps in Indiana.
00:07:54.000 So, are we going to have a completely red state, all Republican congressional districts redrawn?
00:07:59.000 There's a certain percentage of the senators in that state that have not indicated which way they are going to vote.
00:08:07.000 There is a strong possibility, and the reason this is pertinent to Kane, obviously, is that's his home state.
00:08:12.000 He's a big Indiana Hoosier.
00:08:15.000 And so, they are going to reconvene Monday afternoon to begin consideration of House Bill 1032.
00:08:22.000 And the redesign would likely eliminate Indiana's two Democratic-held congressional districts to create a 9-0 Republican map ahead of 2026.
00:08:30.000 This is a huge, huge deal.
00:08:32.000 The House approved the redistricting bill as expected on a vote 57 to 41.
00:08:37.000 12 Republicans joined all Democrats in opposition.
00:08:40.000 But Senate President Pro Tem Roderick Bray has warned that there are not enough votes to move that idea forward.
00:08:48.000 And so, what's happening in the background here is that groups like Turning Point Action and others, there's a big coalition that is building and forming.
00:08:56.000 We are going to have congressional-level spending going after to primary these senators in Indiana to get them more in alignment with their base voters.
00:09:07.000 The base voters in Indiana want this new map.
00:09:10.000 Kane, do you, yeah, I've transitioned since you've been gone to this new redistricting map.
00:09:16.000 There is a huge, huge push going on right now.
00:09:20.000 How do people feel about redistricting Indiana and across the country?
00:09:23.000 They're incredibly pissed off in Indiana that the Indiana Senate is blowing all this smoke.
00:09:27.000 As you probably mentioned, the vote was 5741 in the House, Indiana House, just on Friday, right?
00:09:33.000 And that was with 10 or 11 Democrats or Republicans defecting and voting with Democrats.
00:09:37.000 There's going to be hell to pay if the Indiana Senate doesn't approve this thing.
00:09:42.000 In that political article, they say that Mike Johnson's been making phone calls and don't bet on this outcome yet.
00:09:47.000 We may get our map.
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00:10:55.000 Love that line, Kane.
00:10:57.000 There is going to be hell to pay.
00:10:59.000 And I talk about this.
00:11:00.000 I talked about this last week.
00:11:01.000 Blake will remember that when you have a solidly red state that gets kind of out, it's left out on an island of its own.
00:11:08.000 We're not focusing on it during a presidential year because it's not a swing state.
00:11:11.000 What happens is these incumbent political parties and machines are able to keep existing.
00:11:17.000 They kind of just hide in the shadows, and you get this misalignment between the base voters that are consuming content at citizen-free press that are consuming content on this show.
00:11:27.000 They get misaligned with the base voters and the political class.
00:11:31.000 And that's what you're having in Indiana, where you have these weak, squishy senators that are standing in the way of what the base wants. 0.99
00:11:37.000 And there will be hell to pay, Kane.
00:11:40.000 Yeah.
00:11:41.000 And you had, and as an Indiana resident, you had no idea this was going on, right?
00:11:45.000 There's never a test.
00:11:46.000 There's, how do you know that these people are this way, that they're this squishy, that they're going to react this way to a simple redistricting?
00:11:54.000 So it caught, you know, I think it surprised the voters.
00:11:57.000 And look, I'm sure you mentioned it.
00:11:58.000 You know, Indiana is a big pro-Trump state.
00:12:01.000 We've been plus 20 or so for the last two elections.
00:12:04.000 I mean, we sent Evan Bai packing again, you know, when he thought he could waltz back in for a senate seat.
00:12:11.000 So anyway, this is a strong Trump state.
00:12:13.000 And it's shocking that the, you know, that so many of the state senators are this out of touch.
00:12:19.000 Again, as I sort of said before we went to break, you know, calls have been made.
00:12:23.000 There's been pressure that has been applied this weekend.
00:12:26.000 So, you know, I'm watching it by the hour on local TV.
00:12:29.000 So we're going to see how the Senate, how this sort of plays out.
00:12:32.000 I think we have a chance, you know, to eliminate.
00:12:34.000 And last thing I'll say before throwing it back, one of the two Democrat seats is held by Andre Carson.
00:12:40.000 He's done nothing in his life except serve under his mom.
00:12:44.000 His mom, I forget her name, but she was a congresswoman from Indianapolis for 50 years.
00:12:48.000 She died like in her 80s or 90s in the last, I don't know, let's say 10, 15 years ago.
00:12:53.000 And our son has just swooped into the stick into that seat.
00:12:56.000 So it'll be wonderful to get him out of Congress.
00:12:59.000 I got to ask you, Kane, what about this Indiana state senator, Michael Bohachek, that says he will oppose redistricting because Trump said the R word?
00:13:09.000 Yeah, that guy got pissed off, right?
00:13:11.000 Trump said retard in a true social post.
00:13:14.000 And this guy got offended because he has a son, I believe, who has autism or some learning disability.
00:13:19.000 And I understand that on a personal level, but that's not what your job is.
00:13:23.000 His job isn't to sort of protect his family.
00:13:25.000 His job is to do the right thing for the state of Indiana.
00:13:28.000 And so, you know, to me, that's completely ridiculous.
00:13:32.000 Well, he's going to be on our list here.
00:13:34.000 And, you know, he, by the way, he recently pleaded guilty, apparently, to driving while intoxicated.
00:13:39.000 He was three times Indiana's legal limit.
00:13:41.000 So there's some inconsistencies in his background.
00:13:45.000 Kane, give us an update on your traffic.
00:13:47.000 How's things going at Citizen Free Press?
00:13:50.000 Yeah.
00:13:50.000 Yeah.
00:13:50.000 Well, here's an interesting peek into how media works.
00:13:53.000 When your side wins, traffic goes down.
00:13:56.000 When your side loses, traffic goes up.
00:13:58.000 So when Biden won in 2020, the last four years, people are freaked out.
00:14:03.000 They're checking news.
00:14:04.000 They're checking my site eight times a day.
00:14:06.000 Now I get the same number of people every day, but they check about five times.
00:14:09.000 But that, in all honesty, part of that is probably due to my slacking, as you know, because you read the site every day.
00:14:16.000 The last six months, you know, for the first time in nine years, I decided not to work 16, 18 hours a day.
00:14:21.000 And I worked 12 to 14.
00:14:23.000 So there's fewer, there have been fewer updates.
00:14:25.000 But traffic's still fine.
00:14:26.000 I'm doing 12 million page views a day.
00:14:28.000 It's about six and a half million people per month come on their own to the homepage.
00:14:34.000 So that's 2% of the population.
00:14:36.000 Well done.
00:14:36.000 Massive powerhouse at Citizen Free Press.
00:14:38.000 Kane, it feels like we're getting like the old vibes back.
00:14:41.000 I'm not kidding.
00:14:42.000 I was telling the team when I walked into the studio today, I was like, man, I feel the vibe shift.
00:14:47.000 There's like a, I don't know what it is.
00:14:48.000 Maybe it's just in my head, but having you back on feels really, really good.
00:14:53.000 I hope you will not be a stranger, Kane, and that you will come back more often because we need to keep the base focused.
00:15:01.000 And that's what you and Charlie did, which is what you and me and Charlie and Blake, keep the base focus on those, on the main things.
00:15:07.000 Like, hey, redistricting.
00:15:09.000 This is a huge fight that's happening this week.
00:15:11.000 You got to contact your senators.
00:15:12.000 By the way, if you want to get involved, tpaction.com forward slash act Indiana.
00:15:19.000 I think we have that URL from last week.
00:15:20.000 You guys can find it.
00:15:21.000 We should put it up on the lower banner.
00:15:23.000 You can send letters to everybody.
00:15:25.000 ActIndiana, tpaction.com forward slash act Indiana.
00:15:29.000 We got to put the pressure on these guys.
00:15:31.000 But Kane, I have to bring this topic up.
00:15:34.000 Charlie loved college football, so we keep talking about it because we are in the playoff bracket period.
00:15:40.000 And I have to, I can't believe that we're sitting in a situation where Indiana is the number one team.
00:15:48.000 Where did this come from?
00:15:50.000 I have no idea.
00:15:51.000 And you knew this would be a topic I could talk about.
00:15:54.000 I've been going to games since I was six years old.
00:15:56.000 The football stadium is a mile from my house that I grew up in.
00:16:00.000 And I rolled around on those stupid hills and rolled around in that stadium.
00:16:04.000 So for 50-some years, I've been a fan.
00:16:08.000 What, 15 coaches, all average, all failed?
00:16:11.000 You get one guy.
00:16:12.000 One guy brings in this philosophy that I've never heard before.
00:16:17.000 Every play has a life of its own, you know, independent of the play before.
00:16:23.000 He brings it in and they go, what?
00:16:25.000 We went 11-0 last year until we lost Ohio State.
00:16:29.000 And then, you know, anyway, it's unbelievable.
00:16:31.000 I did not expect to win the game in Indy.
00:16:33.000 The town's on fire.
00:16:35.000 We're ranked number one for the first time in history.
00:16:38.000 You know, I don't, I can't even believe it's happening.
00:16:42.000 I still, you know, I had to, we lost 30 straight years to Ohio State, as you know.
00:16:46.000 And I want people to know, you know, when Andrew talks about football, he was an all-state safety in Nevada in high school.
00:16:54.000 He could have played college safety for a bunch of schools.
00:16:57.000 So he knows football better than I do.
00:16:58.000 But this is insane.
00:17:00.000 And it was insane that Indiana went to Oregon and won.
00:17:03.000 And I thought of our dear brother Charlie then and, you know, how much he loved University of Oregon football.
00:17:08.000 And it's just, it's also bittersweet, but it's exciting.
00:17:12.000 And what the heck?
00:17:14.000 We're, you know, we're ranked number one.
00:17:15.000 How about that?
00:17:16.000 How about that?
00:17:17.000 You beat the Ohio State Buckeyes and Danny on our team was in tears.
00:17:22.000 But they're still ranked number two.
00:17:23.000 You might get a rematch here.
00:17:24.000 Hey, Blake, you're the Catholic here.
00:17:27.000 Notre Dame was left out, which is a big scandal across college football.
00:17:33.000 I'm sorry.
00:17:34.000 Do you care?
00:17:35.000 No, I'm angry.
00:17:37.000 I'm angry that Notre Dame is throwing a temper tantrum.
00:17:40.000 And so, one, they turned down the Catholics versus Mormon ball, but they also turned down specifically, it is the Pop-Tart ball in which they literally sacrifice the Pop-Tart. 0.52
00:17:51.000 They lower the mascot into the giant toaster oven, and then they consume the mascot.
00:17:57.000 Yes.
00:17:57.000 And I think that's probably the best modern tradition we have in college football.
00:18:01.000 And they're pooping on it. 0.60
00:18:03.000 I think they're being kind of babies, to be honest.
00:18:05.000 Are they throwing a tantrum, Kane?
00:18:07.000 Yes, they are from the state.
00:18:10.000 First off, Blake is 100% correct about the Pop-Tart thing.
00:18:14.000 It's this hilarious meme thing they do at this bull.
00:18:18.000 I've seen it the last few years.
00:18:20.000 But yeah, they're throwing a fit.
00:18:22.000 They had the ESPN reporter on scene yesterday, and she said people were walking, the players were walking out with their heads down.
00:18:28.000 They feel like they called it a farce, right?
00:18:31.000 The whole deal for people who don't know is suddenly Miami jumped BYU in the rankings.
00:18:35.000 So they were comparing Miami dead on with Notre Dame.
00:18:39.000 And they decided in that comparison that Miami gets the bid because Miami beat them in the first or second game of the season, head to head.
00:18:47.000 So, and that pissed off Notre Dame fans because in the preceding, you know, college football puts out, the committee puts out rankings once a week, separate from AP and the coaches poll.
00:18:58.000 And Notre Dame had been ranked ahead of Miami.
00:19:00.000 So they fell in with what they call a false sense of security that they were going to get the bid.
00:19:04.000 So yeah, there's the pop-tart.
00:19:06.000 Great work by your producers.
00:19:09.000 But yeah, Notre Dame is like they're taking their ball and going home.
00:19:11.000 They're saying if we don't get in the college playoffs, yeah.
00:19:15.000 Well, we're looping around.
00:19:17.000 I remember when it was only, you know, they only had the national title game and there was no playoff and people would complain.
00:19:23.000 Oh, unfair things caused people to leap.
00:19:25.000 And we can fix this if we have a four-team playoff.
00:19:28.000 And then teams didn't, they'd complain about how unfair they didn't get in the final four.
00:19:32.000 And now they're like, we made 12 teams.
00:19:34.000 Every remotely plausible national champion will get in.
00:19:37.000 And they're still throwing a huge temper tantrum.
00:19:40.000 And I would say, Notre Dame, if you want to not throw a temper tantrum about how it's unfair to overtake you, win all your games or join a conference that you can win and get another win in the final week of the season.
00:19:53.000 All right, we have to go because we're running out of time.
00:19:55.000 Citizen Free Press, you guys have to visit it, make it your homepage.
00:20:00.000 Just go there all the time.
00:20:01.000 I do.
00:20:02.000 Kane, it is so good to have you back, my friend.
00:20:05.000 It's a blast in the past and really just good vibe shift.
00:20:09.000 Come back soon.
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00:21:25.000 I want to play actually a clip.
00:21:28.000 If you guys can find it, Trump was talking about TikTok and Charlie helping with the youth vote.
00:21:35.000 So if you can find me that clip really quick, I want to play it because it's just really sweet.
00:21:40.000 So anyways, we'll get to that clip in just a second.
00:21:42.000 In the meantime, I want to bring in Will Chamberlain.
00:21:45.000 He is the senior counsel for the Article 3 project.
00:21:48.000 So he works with our good friend Mike Davis, does a lot of other things.
00:21:51.000 Will, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:21:54.000 It's good to have you here.
00:21:55.000 It's good to be with you.
00:21:56.000 Long time OC.
00:21:57.000 I haven't been on since before, obviously, Charlie's passing.
00:22:01.000 So I, you know, hope, you know, miss you guys and obviously wishing you very, very well.
00:22:04.000 Thank you, Will.
00:22:05.000 You've been fantastic.
00:22:06.000 You've been so supportive, and we really appreciate it genuinely.
00:22:11.000 You are a legal mind.
00:22:12.000 You're working with, like we said, Mike Davis, who's a frequent guest on this show.
00:22:17.000 And there's really, I think, two big stories on the legal front.
00:22:21.000 Maybe you would argue there's more.
00:22:22.000 And so we can get to those as well if we have time.
00:22:25.000 But the first one, and we've already got to the birthright citizenship in hour one.
00:22:29.000 I want to revisit that with you.
00:22:30.000 But the other big one that kind of was making waves this weekend is what's happening in Europe.
00:22:36.000 Of course, with the DSA, the Digital Services Act, which was put in place in 2023, and it affects, I would believe, censorship.
00:22:44.000 X was one of the, if not the only, major social media platform that has defied DSA, and they got a big fine of 140 million dollars, 120 million euros over the weekend that was announced.
00:22:57.000 Elon Musk is raging about it, calling it BS, but not using the acronym.
00:23:03.000 What is going on here, Will, and what are the implications for us here in the United States?
00:23:08.000 Yeah, so the EU Commission has fined X for $140 million.
00:23:12.000 They claim that giving out the verified check to anybody who pays $8 a month for it is deceptive.
00:23:21.000 Now, that's not true because Elon Musk and X have been extremely transparent in how they've structured the verified program.
00:23:27.000 If anything, it was the prior administration that was totally deceptive with how they were handing out blue checks.
00:23:32.000 It was a complete black box.
00:23:35.000 Now Elon's transparent.
00:23:36.000 They're also going after Elon for refusing to hand over X's proprietary API data so that European researchers can go through it for free and figure out what's wrong with X. All this is, I think, part of what maybe Americans have sort of are sort of waking up to, which is that there's this discordance between the European Union and NATO.
00:23:58.000 You know, when European countries put on their NATO hats, they're extraordinarily grateful for the Transatlantic Alliance being under the American security umbrella.
00:24:06.000 When they put on their EU hat, they're part of an adversarial trade bloc that wants to exert leverage over the United States and American companies.
00:24:14.000 And I don't think we should have to put up with that.
00:24:16.000 And I think that the EU, the Europeans need to make a choice whether they prefer being under the American security umbrella or antagonizing American companies because we're not going to put up with both.
00:24:25.000 Yeah.
00:24:25.000 Well, so how does this impact American companies then?
00:24:29.000 So all of the other social media sites, whether that be Meta, Google, they have complied.
00:24:36.000 Is that right?
00:24:36.000 I mean, and what are the implications for our free speech, if that is true?
00:24:41.000 Well, there's some sites that haven't that are kind of only based in the United States, but that hasn't stopped European regulators from going after them.
00:24:47.000 For example, I believe it's 4chan was sent letters by Ofcom, the UK's independent regulator, trying to tell them that they needed to start censoring speech, but that obviously would be in violation of their First Amendment rights under the Constitution.
00:25:00.000 So they're telling the UK to go pound sand, but it does create this fundamental problem and imbalance where there's no cost to these European countries going after the United States.
00:25:14.000 And that's, I think that, and we have to spend a lot of money defending ourselves.
00:25:18.000 So I think there's a good lawyer by the name of Preston Byrne who's proposed something called the Granted Act that's already been taken up in the state of Wyoming.
00:25:25.000 And we're hearing from the Department of State that they're looking at a federal granted act.
00:25:28.000 And the idea is that anytime a European sovereignty makes a threat against an American company that would threaten them if they don't censor their speech, they immediately have a private right of action here in the United States to sue that sovereignty or that company for three times the amount of the threat, which I think is the right way to go.
00:25:45.000 I think the European Union is vastly overplaying its hand legally here.
00:25:49.000 They are far more dependent on access to United States markets.
00:25:52.000 They're far more dependent on United States security cooperation than we are on them.
00:25:57.000 And so we shouldn't, and I don't think we will put up with their continued threats to our free speech.
00:26:03.000 Yeah, I just want to drive home how despicable this is.
00:26:07.000 A lot of people don't realize how Europe works.
00:26:11.000 So for example, this fine came from the European Commission.
00:26:15.000 What's the European Commission?
00:26:17.000 Well, the European Union, even though they obviously will scream all the time about democracy, but it's super fake.
00:26:24.000 You can't, in America, we can elect President Trump through an actual direct election.
00:26:28.000 We are able to elect our Congress.
00:26:30.000 In the European Union, they have the European Commission.
00:26:33.000 And the way you get on the European Commission is governments appoint members of it.
00:26:37.000 They're the only ones who can come up with any regulations, any proposed laws from the European Union.
00:26:43.000 No one in Europe actually gets to vote on these directly.
00:26:46.000 They just have the European Parliament and it gets an up or down vote on stuff that comes from the European Commission.
00:26:52.000 And the other thing that's going on is Europe is in economic sharp decline.
00:26:57.000 They've decided it's immoral to make electricity.
00:27:00.000 It's immoral to build houses.
00:27:02.000 It's immoral to really develop any technology whatsoever or to favor entrepreneurship.
00:27:08.000 And so you can look this up.
00:27:09.000 I encourage everyone to Google this phrase, regulatory superpower.
00:27:14.000 This is what Europe is reduced to.
00:27:16.000 Well, we have 800 million people.
00:27:18.000 So let's become a, quote, regulatory superpower where we just pass laws and we boss people around and in this case, literally shake them down for money.
00:27:29.000 And that's what Europe is reduced to because they aren't innovative.
00:27:34.000 They aren't dynamic.
00:27:35.000 They're just rich because of things that their ancestors did decades or hundreds of years ago.
00:27:42.000 And that's what we're stuck having to deal with here.
00:27:44.000 They're dependent on us for security.
00:27:45.000 They're dependent on us for innovation.
00:27:47.000 And they think they can boss around what we say on the internet.
00:27:50.000 Yeah, that's exactly right.
00:27:51.000 Yeah.
00:27:52.000 I mean, Will, so diving into this DSA, though, what are the dynamics?
00:27:58.000 What are the rules of it?
00:27:59.000 Like, what are the stipulations even?
00:28:01.000 It seems a lot like Calvin Ball, honestly.
00:28:04.000 Like, it's like, I think it probably has some generic prohibition on deceptive trade practices, the kind of thing we have here.
00:28:11.000 But then it gives the EU this incredible scope to interpret what constitutes a deceptive trade practice.
00:28:17.000 It doesn't look like there is a court involved in making this decision or attempts any real due process or litigation.
00:28:22.000 It's just the European Commission decided that Twitter's verified process was unlawful.
00:28:27.000 And that's the end of that.
00:28:29.000 And moreover, the way they're doing it, I mean, they're just completely flagrantly in violation of American speech jurisprudence here.
00:28:37.000 Sorry, like Elon Musk gets to determine how X verifies its users.
00:28:40.000 As long as he's not lying about it, the EU doesn't get to complain.
00:28:44.000 You know, if the EU decides they want to just shut X out of its market entirely, fine. 0.99
00:28:48.000 That's great.
00:28:48.000 Like it'll at least make it clear where we stand here.
00:28:51.000 You know, like, oh, you guys are actually antagonistic adversarial nations like China instead of supposedly friendly allied nations in fellow inheritors of Western civilization.
00:29:01.000 Okay, very well.
00:29:01.000 We can we can proceed on that basis.
00:29:03.000 You know, we, the difference is China has a real military and you don't.
00:29:07.000 Yeah, well, that's interesting.
00:29:08.000 And this was near and dear to Charlie's heart, by the way.
00:29:11.000 This is one of the themes of the last year, especially when he visited the UK with Blake and some of the other team.
00:29:17.000 But it was an acknowledgement that the fundamental relationship of our transatlantic allies, the inheritors, as you said, of Western civilization, are finding themselves increasingly out of alignment about basic things like free speech.
00:29:31.000 You've heard JD Vance talk about this, Senator Mark, or Senator, goodness gracious.
00:29:36.000 State Department is now, Marco Rubio is going after them as well and saying there's a misalignment here.
00:29:42.000 And how do we get that alignment back into a place where we can all say, hey, you know, we can actually shake hands and we're rowing in the same direction here.
00:29:51.000 So Secretary of State Rubio has a role to play here.
00:29:55.000 What are the levers that we can now push back against our friends across the Atlantic?
00:30:01.000 Right.
00:30:01.000 So as I mentioned, the Granted Act is a good lever.
00:30:03.000 We want to give individuals who are threatened by European censors a private right of action here and eliminate European sovereign immunity for lawsuits here in the United States.
00:30:12.000 So if one of these European actors decides that they want to go after an American citizen, we can say you're both that you don't have any sovereign immunity and you're personally liable.
00:30:21.000 So we can go after any of your assets in the United States.
00:30:23.000 So don't you dare.
00:30:24.000 So that's step one.
00:30:25.000 That's sort of a protective measure.
00:30:26.000 I think step two is actually a broader recognition that the European Union and its continued existence is actually antithetical to American interests.
00:30:34.000 The idea behind the European Union is to create increased bargaining leverage by European countries against the United States.
00:30:41.000 And again, if they were, if they want to be adversarial to the United States, fine, but then they should have to do without our military protection.
00:30:48.000 And so we should see, we know that the EU isn't just hostile to America.
00:30:53.000 It's also hostile to conservative countries within the European Union, the way they're hostile to Hungary, hostile to Poland, hostile to Italy, making demands of them to accept more migrants.
00:31:05.000 I think American policy and diplomatic policy should be to foster and lift up those countries that are pushing back against the European Union, to help them leave if they want to leave, to provide monetary incentives for them to leave and to make side deals with the United States.
00:31:18.000 We should have, you know, as long until the EU gets its act right and makes clear that it wants to be America's friend as opposed to America's antagonist economically, then we should go ahead and be antagonistic towards them and maybe bring Hungary and Poland and Italy and the Czech Republic into some side alliance and allow them to leave the EU.
00:31:35.000 Wow.
00:31:35.000 Blake, your reaction to that idea is a creative solution here.
00:31:39.000 I mean, I am basically happy with anything that restores real European countries that reflect real European peoples as opposed to this European Union-bloated monstrosity, which it really, I know Charlie hated the word democracy, but I'm going to apply it to Europe here. 0.53
00:31:56.000 The entire point of the European Union is to make globalist neoliberalism totally immune from actual democratic pressures.
00:32:05.000 It's entirely designed to make it so what the globalist agenda is is not able to be stopped by anyone because it's too separated, it's too immune from immediate voter pressure, and it's too complex for most people to understand.
00:32:22.000 And the time has come for us to shatter that apart.
00:32:25.000 That is the European deep state.
00:32:26.000 The European deep state is not the bureaucracy of France or Germany individually.
00:32:31.000 It's this transnational project that elites have built.
00:32:37.000 And the United States has a direct role to play in undercutting that and saying people should have a direct influence over what their countries are like.
00:32:46.000 Yeah, well said.
00:32:47.000 And I did promise this clip, so I'm going to sneak it in real quick.
00:32:50.000 104, this is President Trump thanking Charlie Kirk.
00:32:53.000 Young people are respecting this again, too.
00:32:55.000 I won the young vote.
00:32:56.000 The Republicans never win the young vote.
00:32:58.000 I won it easily.
00:33:00.000 And I want to thank Charlie and I want to thank TikTok.
00:33:03.000 And there are a lot of reasons for it.
00:33:06.000 But there's never been a Republican who won the young vote, and I won the very young vote.
00:33:11.000 So that's a good sign.
00:33:13.000 I just thought it was nice that President Trump continues to give Charlie shout outs.
00:33:17.000 It was beautiful to see, especially from our vantage point.
00:33:22.000 Connection, open dialogue.
00:33:25.000 These are the things that build communities.
00:33:27.000 Charlie, Kirk, and TikTok share in that knowledge.
00:33:30.000 That's why TikTok has built a space where that kind of listening actually happens.
00:33:34.000 People don't just post, they respond.
00:33:37.000 They build on each other's ideas.
00:33:39.000 You'll see a teacher simplifying a tough lesson so it finally clicks, or a gardener sharing a trick that saved their crop.
00:33:45.000 But what matters most isn't the video, it's what comes next.
00:33:49.000 Someone asking a question, someone else answering with a story of their own.
00:33:53.000 And suddenly, people who've never met become a community built on curiosity.
00:33:58.000 When people listen and understand, a shift happens.
00:34:01.000 Walls come down, ideas travel further, and connection, real connection, takes their place.
00:34:06.000 That's what listening does.
00:34:08.000 It reminds us that we're not as different as we may think.
00:34:10.000 And that's what makes TikTok so powerful.
00:34:13.000 It's a place where every post can turn into a conversation and every conversation can make a difference.
00:34:19.000 Portions of our program are sponsored in part by TikTok.
00:34:24.000 Will, tell us about the Article 3 project, how people can follow you, get involved with what you're doing.
00:34:30.000 Yeah, so the Article 3 project is a political advocacy project.
00:34:33.000 We do a lot of things to try and pressure Congress to essentially do the push for the Trump agenda, getting cabinet nominees confirmed, judges confirmed, or particularly focused on issues that touch in the judiciary, Article 3 and the namesake in the name would tell you that.
00:34:50.000 You can find our various projects on a3paction.com, which will give you a way to directly contact your individual senator or representative with just a few clicks.
00:35:00.000 We find that to be a very, very effective way to make your voice heard.
00:35:06.000 We know that it worked wonders, especially during the Heck Seth confirmation when it looked like his confirmation might have been on ice.
00:35:12.000 But the voice of the activists on the right and people who are willing to just send an email or two got their attention.
00:35:19.000 A3PACTION. 1.00
00:35:21.000 A3PAction.com.
00:35:23.000 And so, and yeah, that allows your viewers to immediately click and send a message directly to their senator or their representative with 30 seconds or a minute max on an issue that is pressing.
00:35:34.000 And we use that to great effect during the Hag Seth confirmation and other of the more contested Senate confirmations to make clear where the base stood on a number of issues.
00:35:42.000 And it really did a lot to sway senators and move them in the right direction.
00:35:46.000 I love this.
00:35:47.000 So if you go, it is.com, by the way, a3paction.com.
00:35:50.000 Tell Congress to impeach D.C. Obama Judge Jeb Boesberg.
00:35:54.000 Tell Colorado Governor Jared Polis to commute Tina Peters' sentence.
00:35:58.000 Tell Congress to strip Ilhan Omar of her committee assignments. 0.88
00:36:01.000 You just press take action and you can get on board with all those projects.
00:36:05.000 Okay, we got three minutes left here, Will.
00:36:07.000 We talked about birthright citizenship.
00:36:09.000 Frame up what's going to happen.
00:36:11.000 If you have to get into the legal weeds, we get it and why it's important.
00:36:14.000 Well, we're at the Supreme Court already, which is good.
00:36:17.000 And they took surgery before judgment on one of these cases, which they don't normally do, meaning the Supreme Court thinks it's really important.
00:36:23.000 Basically, progressives are trying to pretend that there's no debate here at all, that this is a really simple question about the idea that if you're born in the United States, you're a citizen unless you're like the child of diplomats or the child of an invading army.
00:36:37.000 But it's actually a little more complicated than that because the key, the decision, the case will turn on the meaning of the phrase subject to the jurisdiction of the idea being that you're not just a citizen if you're born here.
00:36:47.000 You need to be subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
00:36:50.000 And there's a lot of really good authority that jurisdiction requires allegiance and it requires the permission of the sovereign to be here.
00:36:57.000 So if you're the child of a lawful permanent resident, then sure, you get citizenship.
00:37:04.000 But if you're the child of temporary visitors or legal aliens, you aren't and you shouldn't because the policy consequences of that are enormous and absurd. 1.00
00:37:12.000 There's no way that any rational country would want to have a policy like that that induces illegal immigration.
00:37:19.000 And I think it's really, you know, as much as the left wants to pretend that this is straightforward, it's anything but, and I think, honestly, I think we're going to win this one.
00:37:26.000 I think the Supreme Court's going to come down on the side of saying that, you know, you're not entitled to citizenship if you're the child of illegal aliens.
00:37:32.000 Will, you are the first person I think that we've had on this show that has sounded a vote of confidence.
00:37:38.000 Blake is not so sure, or maybe you've changed your opinion, Blake.
00:37:42.000 I don't know.
00:37:43.000 I just, I want to, I want to see it all play out.
00:37:45.000 I maybe I should be from Missouri and you know, the show-me state.
00:37:49.000 Yeah.
00:37:49.000 So, Blake, I want to see it succeed.
00:37:52.000 To be, yeah, I was going to say, to be very clear, Blake is very much of the same mind.
00:37:56.000 I just think Blake is, it is one of those weird issues where if you go back to the framing of it and the drafting of the amendment, it was clearly written for slaves.
00:38:06.000 It was clearly written for the children of slaves.
00:38:09.000 It was clearly debated.
00:38:12.000 And they even said, when you look at the debate notes in the notes from the Senate, that they were saying, of course, this wouldn't apply to foreigners and all this stuff.
00:38:20.000 I will say, I will say I've been very impressed with the Trump administration's laying out of the history of it and really getting into what its origins are.
00:38:31.000 Their argument is very impressive.
00:38:33.000 I just worry, in pragmatic terms, I just don't know if this Supreme Court, do we have five votes that would take the plunge on that?
00:38:40.000 Or are we going to have that standard thing where they say, well, people are too dependent on how it's been interpreted for a long time.
00:38:47.000 We don't like the implications of actually going back to what the law was clearly intended to be.
00:38:53.000 So we're going to wuss out on it.
00:38:55.000 And we've seen even these quite conservative-leaning courts make that decision time and time again.
00:39:00.000 So I'd be very happy if they changed course, but show me.
00:39:04.000 I've got to see it happen.
00:39:05.000 Yeah.
00:39:06.000 Will Chamberlain, Article 3 Project, Senior Counsel, thank you so much for joining us.
00:39:10.000 Will it's great to see you again, my friend?
00:39:12.000 Yeah, good to be with you.