The Charlie Kirk Show - August 20, 2020


Hillary. Barack. Kamala. — DNC Night Three


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The Democratic National Convention has come to a close, and now it s time to turn our attention to the big day in the history of the Democratic Party. On tonight's show, Benny Johnson and Charlie Kirk take a deep dive into what went down on the third night of the DNC.

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00:00:08.000 Hey, everybody, the third night of the Democrat National Convention is over.
00:00:11.000 We have incident analysis with Benny Johnson here, who I work on a lot of different things with at Turning Point USA.
00:00:16.000 This conversation was out on our personal time.
00:00:18.000 I think you're really going to enjoy it.
00:00:19.000 Thank you for supporting us at CharlieKirk.com slash support.
00:00:22.000 We are having the best week we've ever had in the history of our podcast this week because we are up to one, two, three in the morning producing content just for you with incident analysis of exactly what happened.
00:00:31.000 So we watched the Democrat Convention so you didn't have to.
00:00:34.000 Email us your questions, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:00:37.000 Benny Johnson is here.
00:00:38.000 Incident analysis to all the Democrat National Convention.
00:00:42.000 Nonsense.
00:00:44.000 Buckle up.
00:00:45.000 Here we go.
00:00:46.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:48.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:00:50.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:00:53.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:00:57.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:00:58.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:00:59.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.
00:01:06.000 Turning point USA.
00:01:07.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:16.000 That's why we are here.
00:01:19.000 Hey, everybody.
00:01:20.000 Welcome to another live stream here on the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:23.000 I'm here with my friend Benny Johnson.
00:01:24.000 Benny, say hello.
00:01:25.000 Hey, everyone.
00:01:27.000 How are you doing?
00:01:29.000 I am in an undisclosed, I'm in an undisclosed location at the imminent apocalypse.
00:01:33.000 I was about to say, I was about to say, are you on the inside of a container ship traveling towards the world?
00:01:42.000 If the world ends, I will be very safe.
00:01:42.000 Let's just say this.
00:01:45.000 Okay.
00:01:45.000 Good.
00:01:46.000 Yeah, good.
00:01:46.000 All right, fantastic.
00:01:47.000 It looks like you're in a police lineup.
00:01:49.000 Something like that.
00:01:50.000 Yes.
00:01:51.000 Is this the coronavirus, like coronavirus bunker for the Kirk household?
00:01:56.000 It could be one of those things.
00:01:58.000 But Benny, congratulations on a new child into the world.
00:02:02.000 Oh, well, thank you.
00:02:03.000 Thank you very much.
00:02:04.000 So as you look at this Democrat circus and we started to get, we decided to get started early.
00:02:09.000 We could have waited for...
00:02:11.000 What's the pronunciation, Benny?
00:02:13.000 Is it Kalmala?
00:02:16.000 Kamala?
00:02:17.000 Yeah, it's, oh, you better say it right. 0.57
00:02:20.000 Okay.
00:02:21.000 You better say this, like, this name that people aren't used to pronouncing correct.
00:02:26.000 Otherwise, racism.
00:02:30.000 That's what's going to happen to you, Mr. Kirk.
00:02:33.000 Okay, you're traveling in your container ship to Europe to find out where the start of the European virus happened.
00:02:40.000 Did you hear that yesterday?
00:02:42.000 Cuomo calling it the European virus?
00:02:45.000 I did.
00:02:46.000 What?
00:02:47.000 What universe do we live in?
00:02:50.000 What is this live stream?
00:02:51.000 Is this a live stream from like some other, some other alternate universe?
00:02:56.000 What is this?
00:02:57.000 Because I'm watching the same thing you're watching.
00:02:59.000 None of this makes sense.
00:03:00.000 Kamala Harris, Kamala, just said that race, there's no there's no cure for racism, right?
00:03:08.000 There's no vaccine for racism. 0.99
00:03:10.000 Well, that sucks for her running mate, Joe Biden, hardest hit. 0.97
00:03:14.000 Okay, so she's going to have to explain to him. 0.94
00:03:17.000 She also says, she also says, I know.
00:03:21.000 She says, I know a predator when I see one.
00:03:23.000 I said, you're running with one.
00:03:24.000 I mean, that's not exactly a novel breakthrough.
00:03:28.000 Yes, that's absolutely correct.
00:03:30.000 Yes.
00:03:31.000 We have the footage.
00:03:32.000 By the way, if you want to know a predator, last night Bill Clinton spoke.
00:03:35.000 What did Bill Clinton do immediately after leaving the presidency is go and hang out with his friend Jeffrey Epstein for years and got massages in airports and on his private plane?
00:03:46.000 It's not a conspiracy theory.
00:03:47.000 There are photos.
00:03:48.000 Not that the establishment media would ever show you those.
00:03:52.000 So you watch the convention tonight?
00:03:55.000 I did.
00:03:56.000 I did.
00:04:00.000 It was like for me, my major takeaway is this: why would you, and I think I'm paraphrasing you here.
00:04:08.000 Why would you want to lead a country you hate?
00:04:11.000 I've never heard more people talk down on America.
00:04:15.000 This has been the most depressing three days of any of anything I've ever heard.
00:04:21.000 I mean, it's legitimately depressing.
00:04:24.000 Why would you want to be a part of this country?
00:04:27.000 Like, this is a they, these people like clearly hate America and don't think we're a great place to live and the world will be better off without America.
00:04:36.000 I, I mean, I say this with, you know, no kidding at all.
00:04:39.000 I mean, they are, if you just watch the Democrat Party and their convention, there's no way you can walk away from that being grateful that you live in the United States.
00:04:48.000 You are going to think that we have nothing but issues and problems, nothing but just systemic injustice everywhere you turn around.
00:04:56.000 And I don't know if Senator Harris is still talking or not.
00:04:58.000 We decided just to cut right in because I just can't handle the nonsense.
00:05:01.000 I just can't.
00:05:02.000 I mean, out of all the politicians that I can't listen to, it's Senator Harris right at the top of the list.
00:05:07.000 I mean, just she does this thing where she points with her thumb.
00:05:09.000 Have you noticed how all the Democrats kind of do that?
00:05:11.000 They kind of do this kind of where they want to kind of do the dictator pointing, but they don't.
00:05:14.000 They just kind of do the little thumb gesture.
00:05:17.000 And as soon as she said the thing, well, there is no virus, no virus for racism or no, no vaccine for racism or something.
00:05:23.000 I guess that's it.
00:05:24.000 We're done.
00:05:24.000 I said, we're going straight live.
00:05:27.000 We would have been on time, except for there was a five-minute pause where nothing happened on stage when they threw to Kamala.
00:05:35.000 They threw it a, I have to catch myself in case someone's going to know how to.
00:05:41.000 How do you pronounce it?
00:05:43.000 I don't know.
00:05:44.000 You can mispronounce Benny if you want.
00:05:46.000 I'm not going to call you racist.
00:05:48.000 Bonnie, I don't care.
00:05:49.000 It doesn't matter to me.
00:05:51.000 Like, honestly, this entire, that clip was hysterical, but not as hysterical as watching, not as hysterical as watching the DNC convention.
00:06:00.000 I mean, this is one of the most poorly produced, this is one of the most poorly produced live television events I've ever seen.
00:06:07.000 I mean, I've been watching sort of on and off, obviously.
00:06:09.000 I have a newborn.
00:06:10.000 I'm like paying attention to my baby.
00:06:12.000 I'm paying attention to my wife.
00:06:13.000 I'm doing all multiple other projects.
00:06:15.000 Charlie, you and I are very, very busy on a lot of projects trying to save the country, right?
00:06:20.000 So there's a lot of work to be done.
00:06:21.000 But as I'm tuning in for five minutes at a time, five minutes at a time, it's like they a couple things here.
00:06:27.000 First, right off the top, there's this thing that happens when you're like when you can't read a teleprompter.
00:06:35.000 And it's so irritating when you like watch the people's eyes go back and forth and even their heads sometimes go like this.
00:06:43.000 And it just seems so staged and just so macabre.
00:06:46.000 And it's just what happens when you're not a pro.
00:06:50.000 And none of these people are pros.
00:06:52.000 I've never seen like a more telepromptered scripted thing.
00:06:55.000 You can watch everyone's eyeballs going back and forth.
00:06:57.000 Secondly, none of these people are hitting their cues.
00:07:00.000 They went to Hillary Clinton tonight and she just sat there and glared at the camera with dark, like punk rock singer eyeshadow and just glared at the camera like Ozzy Osborne for like three straight minutes.
00:07:16.000 And you could just like hear, it's just like, this is this is absolutely like.
00:07:22.000 Well, I think that the crowning achievement of the evening was Nancy Pelosi's jaw made it through the live stream.
00:07:28.000 I think that was, it was so close.
00:07:30.000 It was close towards the end.
00:07:32.000 I want everyone to know how much I hate Donald Trump and I'd be excited about everybody, how much I really hate him.
00:07:36.000 And he's a story I've ever seen.
00:07:37.000 And if anyone understands how much I hate him, it's like the amount of stress that was happening at once is just couldn't happen.
00:07:45.000 I mean, I think she had a platoon of people that were like, thank goodness that one survived.
00:07:49.000 Oh my goodness.
00:07:50.000 Here's my impression of them cutting to Hillary.
00:07:56.000 Mr. Epstein, it's so, I'm so glad you can join me this evening.
00:08:02.000 Oh, that's not us?
00:08:04.000 That's not this time?
00:08:05.000 Horrifying.
00:08:07.000 My goodness.
00:08:09.000 Kamala had five minutes, Charlie.
00:08:11.000 I timed it.
00:08:11.000 Our team timed it.
00:08:12.000 You're on the same chats I am.
00:08:14.000 Our team timed five minutes of just blank space where she didn't come on.
00:08:18.000 Her video didn't play.
00:08:19.000 The camera just showed an empty stage.
00:08:22.000 And so there's a huge focus on climate change tonight, huge focus on gun violence, which I think is a losing issue for them.
00:08:27.000 I mean, if you look at the amount of new gun registrations, we already have more gun registrations so far this year than all of last year combined.
00:08:33.000 It's a huge issue for young voters, young voters and young women voters in particular. 1.00
00:08:39.000 Young, there was a huge emphasis on kind of this female uprising.
00:08:43.000 I don't know if you noticed that or not.
00:08:44.000 They had a huge kind of infomercial on how, you know, the Democrat Party is a party of women, which is really perplexing.
00:08:51.000 And Benny, can you walk me through this one?
00:08:53.000 If genders don't matter, and if men and women are just transacting like you change gender, it's gender fluidity, why is it they have a heavy, such a heavy focus on women's rights?
00:09:06.000 I've long said, I've long said that for a single day, for 24 hours, Donald Trump must identify as a woman.
00:09:14.000 And he must identify as the woman.
00:09:16.000 He must say he's going to make a huge announcement and he's going to go a huge announcement tomorrow on the red carpet.
00:09:22.000 He just says, I am a woman.
00:09:24.000 And then not only does he say he's the first woman president, he should just do this, by the way, in October, 24 hours.
00:09:31.000 He says, I'm a woman, dares all of them to go against the canon of the Democratic Party right now.
00:09:41.000 And then secondly, he becomes the first same-sex couple in the White House with Melania.
00:09:45.000 Because then it's, you know, it's Melania and it's woman Donald Trump.
00:09:49.000 It's easy.
00:09:50.000 What I'm saying, Charlie, is you're exactly right. 1.00
00:09:53.000 And if they're going to play by these rules, which are insane, then you got to play by the rule that you can just decide to become a woman. 0.99
00:10:03.000 And so I think the president should just play to that.
00:10:06.000 So, but, you know, just you and I are Trump supporters.
00:10:09.000 Looking at this objectively, do you think that Democrats have won any voters over in the last three days?
00:10:13.000 I mean, do you think that they're, do you think there's someone today that on Sunday was kind of like, you know what?
00:10:17.000 I'm on the fence.
00:10:18.000 I'm going to watch a Democrat convention.
00:10:20.000 And then maybe after they saw Gretchen Whitmer screaming, they're like, that's exactly why I need to go vote Democrat.
00:10:26.000 I mean, was there anything you think that was that convincing these last couple of days?
00:10:30.000 I don't think it's been a very persuasive convention at all.
00:10:32.000 I think it's been unconvincing and contradictory.
00:10:35.000 I have to, I mean, look, I'm going to give the Democrats credit where credit's due.
00:10:38.000 The entire staging and the framing and the idea of the Barack Obama speech was very smart, I have to say.
00:10:44.000 Whoever came up with the idea of having him in Philadelphia of him embracing the symbolism of America, him embracing the Constitution, him not saying negative things about our country, him almost having like a healing approach.
00:10:58.000 If only he was president for eight years.
00:10:59.000 I mean, if only that guy would have been running our country for eight years, I mean, then he actually would have an opportunity to have done something.
00:11:05.000 But I think that was probably the best moment of the entire convention.
00:11:08.000 But then Kamala or Senator Harris, let's just call her that way.
00:11:11.000 Senator Harris, I think completely fell flat. 0.99
00:11:15.000 I mean, I think she reminds me a lot of Hillary Clinton.
00:11:17.000 Do you think there's anyone that's been persuaded by this?
00:11:21.000 Have you ever seen those like anti-depression commercials about for like the pill that you take when you're on depression?
00:11:27.000 And there's like, there's like two things that happen in the ad.
00:11:29.000 There's the like before the pill, the anti-depression pill, where like you're sad and like there's no butterflies and you're just miserable and you're walking around and the whole world sits as a weight on your shoulders and you just can't get out of bed in the morning.
00:11:44.000 I think if you're like that kind of a person, then this convention appeals to you because you're the person and you're in the before photo, right?
00:11:51.000 In the anti-depression ad. 0.99
00:11:53.000 You're the person who is just miserable. 0.81
00:11:55.000 You hate America, you don't actually like this country, you think this country is terrible, you think people are getting just like slaughtered and racism, and everyone's being held back, and you are a victim. 0.98
00:12:08.000 And the only way is to punch out of your victimhood, is to fight the powers, and you don't realize that you're living in the freest, most prosperous, most equitable country known to man because you're not actually grateful about that and Kaepernick and all this nonsense.
00:12:24.000 I think that's, I think those are the people that are convinced.
00:12:26.000 Those are the people.
00:12:27.000 If you have a mitocumbic of like, I don't know, positivity in your life and you just generally want to be left alone and you think things were going pretty damn well before the European virus, as they call it, which again is just insane. 0.96
00:12:40.000 I just can't get over that.
00:12:41.000 Then, yeah, then it's not a problem.
00:12:43.000 You brought up Obama, and I think this is fascinating, Charlie.
00:12:46.000 You brought up Obama.
00:12:47.000 Our president is going to be speaking from the White House for his speech.
00:12:50.000 Am I wrong?
00:12:52.000 I believe that's correct.
00:12:53.000 Yeah.
00:12:53.000 Yeah.
00:12:54.000 So our president is speaking from the White House.
00:12:56.000 They freak out because they're saying like he's speaking from government property, right?
00:12:59.000 He's speaking from a government wholly owned government property.
00:13:02.000 I looked up where Obama was tonight.
00:13:04.000 That's a government property.
00:13:05.000 It's a national park.
00:13:06.000 And so does it apply?
00:13:09.000 I looked on Twitter.
00:13:10.000 There was no one losing their minds that the president was speaking from what is a national historic landmark there in Philadelphia.
00:13:18.000 So where's the double stand?
00:13:20.000 They are literally the same in the sense that they're both owned and operated properties from the government operated by the government.
00:13:25.000 Yeah.
00:13:26.000 And if I were to kind of look at the theme of the entire last couple of days, especially this convention or whatever this was, a Zoom call, pre-rehearsed ad cut after ad cut.
00:13:33.000 I mean, they cherry-picked some of the saddest stories.
00:13:36.000 And I'm not going to deny they're not sad stories.
00:13:38.000 I mean, I'm not going to say that.
00:13:39.000 But it was so incredibly heavy on the emotion, right?
00:13:43.000 It was so heavy on the emotive that there is very little that they could say actually about critiquing President Trump's legislative accomplishments, right?
00:13:53.000 Very little about the foreign policy landscape, almost no mention of China at all whatsoever.
00:13:58.000 There was kind of like a little jab here and there, like, oh, we're going to be the ones that bring back jobs.
00:14:02.000 Like, that's not going to, no one believes that, right?
00:14:04.000 And it's becoming more and more clear that from like the Democrat strategy box, like if you will, like the box, like to use a football analogy, kind of like up in the box when they're looking down on like what's happening on the field, the Democrats are really, really worried that if they actually get in a discussion about achievements of prior Democrat presidents and President Trump, it's not going to go that well.
00:14:22.000 You know what's really interesting, Benny?
00:14:24.000 What are some of the things you've been, what's one of the big glaring things that has been missing from these last three days?
00:14:30.000 Like the one thing that I have not heard mentioned, no, no image.
00:14:34.000 I know that's kind of a trick question because it's open-ended, but I'll anything come to mind because I have something that really is interesting, especially on the Senator Harris night.
00:14:42.000 I know exactly what you're talking about.
00:14:44.000 I know exactly what you're talking about.
00:14:45.000 You and I think very similarly.
00:14:47.000 I know exactly what it is.
00:14:48.000 Tell me if I'm right.
00:14:50.000 Here we go. 1.00
00:14:51.000 That Obama put kids in cages.
00:14:54.000 Is that enough?
00:14:55.000 That's close.
00:14:56.000 Because that's actually what happened.
00:14:57.000 I heard that many times tonight.
00:15:00.000 That is an Obama rule and legislation.
00:15:03.000 Joe Biden and Barack Obama put children in cages at our border.
00:15:08.000 Well, that is true.
00:15:10.000 But think about, that's true.
00:15:12.000 But so it's Senator Harris's night.
00:15:13.000 So maybe I'm going to try to make you cheat here, Benny.
00:15:15.000 Let's see if you can win trivia.
00:15:16.000 Senator Harris's night. 0.99
00:15:18.000 What's the thing that really put her on the map in the last 18 months? 1.00
00:15:26.000 Running for president as a black female. 1.00
00:15:28.000 There was a Senate hearing.
00:15:30.000 Kavanaugh.
00:15:31.000 Yeah.
00:15:31.000 Do you notice how Kavanaugh wasn't mentioned at all these last three days?
00:15:34.000 It's very interesting.
00:15:36.000 This was a huge fundraising tool for them.
00:15:38.000 This was something that fired up their base.
00:15:40.000 Why is it, Benny?
00:15:41.000 It's because Republicans fought so hard.
00:15:43.000 Brett Kavanaugh is more popular than he was them before the Senate confirmation hearing.
00:15:47.000 That it actually was a losing issue, right?
00:15:49.000 They didn't mention Gorsuch.
00:15:50.000 They didn't mention the 200 circuit court judges.
00:15:52.000 They didn't mention anything about the embassy in Jerusalem.
00:15:55.000 It's like they don't really want to play on the terrain of the successful movement towards kind of normalcy in the country, right?
00:16:01.000 And their entire theme is they're actually trying to paint Donald Trump not as the guardian of Western civilization or the guardian of decency and like civil society, right?
00:16:12.000 That they're actually, they're actually trying to be the opposite.
00:16:15.000 They're like, oh, we Democrats are actually the conservatives. 0.69
00:16:18.000 Now, mind you, the BLM stuff contradicts that, but they're almost trying to run as the small C conservatives. 0.54
00:16:25.000 And hear me out for a second, Benny. 0.67
00:16:27.000 They're the ones that are trying to tell people if it's chaotic, it's chaotic because of them, not because of us.
00:16:32.000 So give us more power.
00:16:34.000 See, look at all these beautiful flags behind me.
00:16:35.000 And I have like the Constitution kind of in the upper right-hand corner, the document that President Obama, I don't think he might have read once or twice, but I don't think he ever adhered by it.
00:16:45.000 It's very interesting because it's so Orwellian.
00:16:47.000 It's the exact opposite when it's actually their entire party that has been manufacturing the riots, has been inciting the terrorism, has been encouraging the arson.
00:16:55.000 And the fact they have not mentioned Brett Kavanaugh once, and this is a party that said we have to impeach Brett Kavanaugh.
00:17:01.000 I mean, this is a Supreme Court seat that was supposed to be their big fight, right?
00:17:04.000 I didn't see anything about it.
00:17:06.000 And that goes to show that's a fight they lost.
00:17:09.000 That's a fight they put everything they could and we won.
00:17:12.000 They lost.
00:17:13.000 And it's partly because we actually said this is a line that we're not going to allow the left to cross.
00:17:17.000 It's the number one teaching moment when I tell, you know, talk to Republicans.
00:17:20.000 I'm like, this is the one time we actually got tougher than the Democrats.
00:17:23.000 And look what we got from it.
00:17:25.000 What do you think about that, Benny?
00:17:26.000 Is there some wisdom there?
00:17:28.000 And what do you think has been missing so much that you were expecting from this convention?
00:17:34.000 Well, yeah, that's absolutely correct.
00:17:37.000 They can't run on Kavanaugh.
00:17:39.000 And one of the most vicious, vile, awful questioners of Kavanaugh was Kamala Harris, raised just egregious conspiracy theories about him, essentially, you know, assumed that every single allegation against him was 100% true, regardless of them being in the extra level absurd.
00:18:08.000 And then also, by the way, Joe Biden's accusers, they have, by judicial standards, miles more of credible, credible witnesses for these accusations.
00:18:23.000 Tara Reid is who I'm specifically talking about.
00:18:28.000 There are a half dozen people who corroborate this story.
00:18:32.000 And Kamala, I think weirdly right, I will agree with her on this, said, yeah, I believe the accusers of Joe Biden.
00:18:39.000 And now look at her.
00:18:40.000 There's not a single person.
00:18:42.000 I mean, there's not a single person like actually pushing back on that and the fact that she called Joe Biden a racist.
00:18:47.000 She did it in front of all of us. 0.63
00:18:48.000 She said it to his face on a Nashville debate stage. 0.99
00:18:50.000 She says, you're a racist. 0.96
00:18:52.000 I wouldn't have gone to school. 0.98
00:18:53.000 If you were president, you got your way.
00:18:55.000 I wouldn't have been able to go to school.
00:18:56.000 That's what she said.
00:18:58.000 And then she said she believes his accusers.
00:19:00.000 And he said, that little girl was mean.
00:19:01.000 So let's just do a Senator Harris kind of takedown right now.
00:19:04.000 I think that's really important to do. 0.75
00:19:06.000 So first of all, she was rated by an independent study last year as the most liberal senator in the entire United States Senate. 0.63
00:19:12.000 She's also a power-hungry politician, one of the most we've ever seen. 1.00
00:19:16.000 Benny, I'll let you tell the Willie Brown angle of this, but I mean, she definitely used, let's say, questionable moral behavior to move up in her career.
00:19:25.000 And just a second, I want you to kind of explain on that.
00:19:28.000 Senator Harris also put, and this is something that I think is to be debated whether it was the right thing or not, but it's definitely unpopular in Democrat circles.
00:19:37.000 She put records amount of criminals in jail in California.
00:19:41.000 And some people thought it was unfair towards black and brown communities.
00:19:45.000 I'm not going to comment on that.
00:19:47.000 I am going to say, though, that it's not exactly consistent with where the tone and the base of the Democrat Party is at all.
00:19:52.000 She went after an innocent man, Brett Calvin, decided she just wanted to destroy his life because she wanted to get more small dollar donations.
00:19:58.000 She was an unbelievably failed presidential candidate.
00:20:01.000 And then back in July of last year, as you said, she was on a debate stage with Joe Biden where she said, and that little girl was me when it came to segregation and busing.
00:20:10.000 And so she's nothing more than a transactional politician just trying to climb up the intervals of political power to be able to, I mean, eventually, she's as close as ever to becoming vice president and president of the United States.
00:20:21.000 Tell us about Willie Brown, Benny.
00:20:23.000 Tell us about this story and how it gets no coverage at all from the media.
00:20:27.000 Surely there are more people who know about this story than I. I'm certainly no expert in Kamala.
00:20:33.000 However, it's been written in all the papers and reported thoroughly that Willie Brown bragged and joked about how Kamala, when she was 29, I believe, and he was in his elder statesman, let's just call him.
00:20:50.000 I don't know the exact age, how she and him dated.
00:20:53.000 And they dated in a capacity that, as you said, was transactional.
00:20:58.000 He appointed her to multiple positions and then he became mayor of San Francisco.
00:21:04.000 And this really helped out her career.
00:21:07.000 And so he helped move her career along.
00:21:08.000 And he is quoted in the paper.
00:21:10.000 But he was married at the time.
00:21:11.000 It's an extramarital affair, yes.
00:21:13.000 He's quoted in the papers as saying, you know, that he moved her career along through this, let's just call it a sordid, torrid relationship.
00:21:22.000 And this is, I mean, quite frankly, you know, should frankly be frowned upon as a way to advance yourself politically.
00:21:32.000 Yes, I think most moral, decent people would say so, especially with the man who's married.
00:21:38.000 So, you know, it's been written.
00:21:41.000 No one's calling anyone any names.
00:21:43.000 We are simply stating what is in print right now in the California papers.
00:21:51.000 And he, you know, Willie Brown came back out of hiding because he was caught up in multiple scandals and was not kind to Kamala when she decided to run for president.
00:22:02.000 Was quite brutal.
00:22:04.000 You know, if you want to look up those quotes, holy moly, he does not think highly of her.
00:22:10.000 You know, I so I'm looking more broadly at kind of the lack of a theme for today and yesterday, and admitting that I think that the Barack Obama moment was the smartest, best crafted part of the entire convention.
00:22:21.000 I am of the opinion that it's really, really hard.
00:22:23.000 I look historically at this to beat an incumbent.
00:22:26.000 First of all, it's just really hard to beat an incumbent, especially, you know, you look the last time an incumbent was beaten was Clinton versus H.W. Bush in 92.
00:22:32.000 Before that, it was Reagan versus Carter.
00:22:34.000 And both of those were surprise elections.
00:22:36.000 The incumbent had a polling advantage that was significant leading up until the last couple of weeks and days of the campaign.
00:22:42.000 It's very hard to beat an incumbent.
00:22:44.000 But the Democrats are deciding that in order to beat the incumbent, they want to be the more boring party.
00:22:48.000 They want to be more depressing.
00:22:49.000 They want to be more complaining.
00:22:51.000 And that people are going to show up in a lot of numbers as almost like an outrage in a referendum, right?
00:22:55.000 Not trying to go vote for something.
00:22:57.000 I'm of the opinion that the president and the Republican National Convention, they have a huge opportunity next week, massive.
00:23:03.000 I mean, you're talking about people, the tonal direction of the country right now is already so low that I don't think people are feeling better about themselves after this convention, right?
00:23:14.000 I think they might agree with some things, like, yeah, I agree at that.
00:23:17.000 Like, now what?
00:23:17.000 I agree at that.
00:23:18.000 My life's still miserable.
00:23:19.000 I actually think that the Democrats have done the Republicans such a great service because they've been complaining so much about things.
00:23:26.000 I'm not saying they're doing the wrong thing because you almost have to make the people feel so awful about their country when you're trying to deter an incumbent that they won't possibly vote for the person that might correlate with that feeling.
00:23:26.000 And they have to do this.
00:23:37.000 But I think they're so overdoing it that it creates almost use the weight of the enemy against them effect, right?
00:23:43.000 That they could, I mean, it can almost create one of the greatest counter moves that we have seen, like a mixed martial arts analogy, that for the president can make people actually feel so good about their country for the first time in a long time, starting next week.
00:23:56.000 And being a celebration of the American idea and the American ethos, who we are and why we're here, not having every other segment of the convention like this one be, well, we stand for environmental justice and we stand for racial justice and we stand for what other kind of justice do we stand for?
00:24:11.000 They're like, don't we have another list of this?
00:24:11.000 And they're kind of looking around.
00:24:13.000 And it is kind of like the bitter, arrogant, deceitful party.
00:24:16.000 So, Benny, what is your analysis of next week?
00:24:19.000 What kind of opportunity that you think this presents for Republicans as it goes into their convention week?
00:24:26.000 Yeah, so it's interesting.
00:24:28.000 It really sort of goes back into this fractured.
00:24:33.000 It was the Obama era that really did this with the full embrace of a fractured America and identity politics, quite frankly, at its root.
00:24:42.000 But identity politics itself is based in Marxism and cultural Marxism and the idea that you, in order to gain control, you have to fracture off people in groups.
00:24:50.000 It's very hard to control a group of people who have beliefs that they all agree on, right?
00:24:56.000 Christianity, morality, the nuclear family.
00:25:00.000 When 90% of the country agrees on those things, it's virtually impossible to attack it, right?
00:25:06.000 You'll get crushed.
00:25:09.000 And so the Democratic Party, it's a Linsky-style tactic.
00:25:13.000 It's a communist-style tactic. 0.67
00:25:15.000 They decided to become what I call post-American.
00:25:17.000 And the post-Americans are the ones who believe that the world would be better without America.
00:25:21.000 And in order to defeat America, you have to defeat Americanism.
00:25:24.000 You have to go after the ideals of this country. 0.87
00:25:27.000 And this is very much where you see the BOM movement rising up and tearing asunder our Judeo-Christian faith, our values, our morals. 0.97
00:25:36.000 And so you must tear asunder what is America. 0.94
00:25:40.000 And then it's very important, two-step here.
00:25:42.000 You have to spit people into groups.
00:25:45.000 Groups.
00:25:46.000 You must group them. 0.95
00:25:47.000 You must lump them.
00:25:48.000 You must have the coalition of the disaffected and the victims.
00:25:53.000 And that is precisely what you are seeing fully metastasized inside the Democratic Party right now.
00:25:58.000 The coalition of the disaffected and the victims.
00:26:00.000 And the people who believe that America would work, okay, would work if they, their specific group, got everything that they wanted forever.
00:26:08.000 And that's just not how this, that's not how any country works.
00:26:11.000 It's certainly not how this country works.
00:26:13.000 It's how dictatorships work, but only for the people at the very teeny top.
00:26:17.000 And then everyone else gets screwed or gets set, you know, gets sent to the work camps.
00:26:23.000 And so it's a very scary place for the Democratic Party.
00:26:26.000 We've seen this before.
00:26:27.000 We've seen this in the Russian Revolution.
00:26:29.000 We've seen this in various other dictatorships around the country around the world throughout history.
00:26:35.000 And what the Republican Party must do, long answer, but what the Republican Party must do, must more than ever is show the difference, show that Americanism is still a thing that you can be proud of.
00:26:49.000 You must unite under these banners, these flags, these ideas.
00:26:53.000 Here are a couple things that all men, all men and women can agree upon.
00:26:59.000 Can we not, in our shared past, our shared present, our shared future, our shared language, our shared belief in God, our shared belief in morality, our shared belief in equality, but equality certainly of opportunity, not of outcome.
00:27:17.000 And these are the things that we can sort of come together on.
00:27:20.000 And Charlie, I'll end with this.
00:27:23.000 Horrifically, at the height, truly the height of the riots and the protests and this cultural rendering that they tear that they started about a month ago, the real rip they started about a month ago.
00:27:37.000 The most sinister elements of that rip was going after places like Mount Rushmore.
00:27:42.000 You remember it?
00:27:43.000 You were there with the president.
00:27:44.000 I was there.
00:27:45.000 The calls that day were to tear down Mount Rushmore.
00:27:49.000 Our establishment, corporate, DNC-fused Apparatchic media, the calls from within the madhouse was to now tear down our Mount Rushmore, our statues, our history.
00:28:03.000 Because if you can rip those things that we all share, we all go to the Washington Monument and take a photo because it's cool and we think George Washington was a nice person.
00:28:12.000 Same with Lincoln, you know, same with our other memorials.
00:28:16.000 Will you tear that apart?
00:28:18.000 I mean, you're well on your way.
00:28:19.000 You're well on your way to the cultural Marxist moment where you can fracture the society and take it over.
00:28:25.000 What I think is interesting, though, Benny, is that you're seeing a divide in the Democrat Party on how to achieve that end, right?
00:28:30.000 So Alexandria Kaiser-Cortez is much more impatient than Barack Obama.
00:28:34.000 Alexandria Kaiser-Cortez is similar to Bernie Sanders, where she, in 60 seconds or less, I mean, she gives like the opening shot of like Lenin's revolution, right? 1.00
00:28:42.000 Like decolonization, I mean, like everything.
00:28:45.000 It's like, whoa, you only had 60 seconds and you basically covered a swath of like half of the bad literature in the last 150 years.
00:28:53.000 60 seconds.
00:28:54.000 It was impressive.
00:28:54.000 It was impressive how much bitterness for the West that one person could have in 60 seconds.
00:29:00.000 And yet then you have Barack Obama who does the Alinskyite thing.
00:29:03.000 And let's talk about this, right?
00:29:04.000 So Hillary Clinton wrote her senior thesis on Sawolinsky rules for radicals. 0.94
00:29:09.000 We study rules for radicals at turning point.
00:29:11.000 We understand them.
00:29:12.000 We know the rules really well.
00:29:13.000 We know how the left operates.
00:29:15.000 And one of the rules is, and it's not exactly specified in one of the rules, but one of the teachings of Sawolinsky, who was a Chicago community organizer, wrote rules for radicals as the dedication of Lucifer was in the book.
00:29:27.000 One of the principles, the things talked about is never try to insult the country you're trying to take over.
00:29:33.000 Like hug the flag.
00:29:35.000 Say you love it.
00:29:36.000 Be around the history, right?
00:29:39.000 Find the symbols that matter.
00:29:40.000 And I think Barack Obama did a great job of that tonight.
00:29:43.000 I mean, he was the ultimate Alinskyite.
00:29:45.000 I mean, I was, I could just, I would have loved to have seen Barack Obama like five minutes after that speech being like, I can't believe I had to say all that.
00:29:54.000 They fell for all that stuff.
00:29:56.000 I mean, it was so incredible how he was able to put on a kind of posture that he was the guy, like he's the guardian of American decency.
00:30:05.000 I mean, I was listening very carefully to Obama's speech, especially at the beginning, and then he just kind of drones on, right?
00:30:10.000 But at the beginning, I was really locked in.
00:30:12.000 And he said something, I was like, that sounds something like a Republican would say, right?
00:30:18.000 Where he said, our history was not perfect, but they came together and, you know, we moved past it.
00:30:23.000 And then he started to get into that word democracy.
00:30:25.000 I'm like, okay, we're a republic.
00:30:26.000 Okay.
00:30:27.000 Very important distinction, incredibly important civic distinction that we're a constitutional republic.
00:30:33.000 But Obama really, in a lot of different ways, in a speech tonight, was kind of just going to, in some ways, it was kind of a soft warning to Democrats, I think, which is like, if you keep on telling people who we really are, you're going to lose, right?
00:30:45.000 I think he was trying to create an example.
00:30:47.000 That's why they only gave AOC an infomercial, right?
00:30:50.000 They gave AOC like an infomercial, like she was selling gold or something on like some two at 2 a.m.
00:30:55.000 And now, you know, from the Russian Revolution, hi, guys, if you want to decolonize your country, I'm like, geez, Louise, I like, no wonder why they only gave her 60 seconds, right?
00:31:04.000 I mean, it was everything you could possibly imagine how to disassemble a functioning country.
00:31:08.000 And so, and then Hillary Clinton, it was, it was really interesting because I was just waiting for her to snap at some point and be like, and I'm actually president of the United States.
00:31:17.000 I mean, it's, it's really stunning.
00:31:20.000 She said it.
00:31:21.000 Charlie, she said it.
00:31:22.000 She said, you can win the presidency and still lose because of the Electoral College.
00:31:27.000 She said she won.
00:31:29.000 She said she won. 1.00
00:31:32.000 There's a madhouse in upstate New York where two women are in straitjackets rocking back and forth. 1.00
00:31:39.000 One is the governor of Georgia and one is the president of the United States. 0.65
00:31:43.000 And they're both celebrating.
00:31:45.000 Yes, it's Stacey Abrams and it's Hillary.
00:31:47.000 And they like, they let them out to go give speeches and then they bring them right back in. 0.91
00:31:51.000 And yes, yes, yes, Madame President.
00:31:53.000 Yes, yes, Madame governor.
00:31:55.000 Or whatever, you know, yes, yes, governor.
00:31:58.000 It's insanity.
00:31:59.000 I mean, it's insanity.
00:32:00.000 And they have the audacity.
00:32:02.000 They have the audacity to lecture conservatives just like they did in 2016 about not accepting the results of the election.
00:32:09.000 And then to make up just, I mean, this is why I think that they know that they're losing because they are starting to, I mean, they're losing.
00:32:16.000 They're losing.
00:32:16.000 I mean, right now, this was their moment and it didn't quite put them over the finish line.
00:32:20.000 And Joe can't quite get over 46%, which is such a critical problem for him, such a horrific problem.
00:32:27.000 And we all know how bad Donald Trump polls in the sense that like there is such a silent majority that just won't talk to the pollsters, don't want to answer their questions.
00:32:36.000 So the polls are always 10 points skewed in the favor of the Democrats.
00:32:39.000 And Joe just can't get over 46%.
00:32:43.000 But we, we, I, I think I'm reading the tea leaves and I'm saying, oh my goodness, this mailbox conspiracy theory, which is, I mean, show me, show me how it's not a conspiracy theory. 0.55
00:32:56.000 Show me how this is not worse than Russia gate.
00:32:59.000 I mean, it is really like this is the final, this is the final form of the conspiracy theorists in the party.
00:33:06.000 It's insanity, insanity what they're talking about.
00:33:09.000 This, they know that they're losing Charlie and they're hedging and they're saying like, okay, my God, we really can't do this.
00:33:17.000 We can't get over this hump.
00:33:18.000 Joe's not going to get us there.
00:33:20.000 We're going to have to find something. 0.97
00:33:22.000 And we won't have Russia this time. 0.60
00:33:24.000 We're not going to have China or whatever, right?
00:33:26.000 Because the American people are just sick of that nonsense.
00:33:28.000 We have to come up with a new insane thing and the mailboxes.
00:33:32.000 They've taken the mailboxes.
00:33:33.000 You've heard that tonight when they take your mailboxes.
00:33:37.000 A congressional candidate chained himself to a mailbox in Oregon as a campaign ad, chained himself to a mailbox, Pete DeFasio.
00:33:45.000 Charlie, it's insane.
00:33:46.000 And it's funny because they're hedging now.
00:33:48.000 It's funny to watch from our perspective because it's like, oh, wow, they're getting ready to lose again.
00:33:54.000 And they're trying to find something desperately.
00:33:58.000 That's right.
00:33:59.000 And it's very clear.
00:34:01.000 And I can kind of see it in how badly that they need a leading candidate because all this tapestry they put up, which was really ineffective.
00:34:09.000 And so you can kind of see where their thought process was, right?
00:34:12.000 Like how they designed this convention where, all right, we're going to have all these different figures.
00:34:17.000 And by the way, what is with these musical numbers that really, I mean, I don't know whose idea that was. 1.00
00:34:23.000 Awful, stupid, horrible. 0.99
00:34:26.000 And so, but I could sort of see the thought process that they thought they'd have this building moment where all Joe Biden had to do was literally just like walk across the one inch line. 1.00
00:34:35.000 Kind of like, it was almost like you're, you're winning by 30 points and it's the one kid on the football team that's like been on the team the entire season and he's never played an entire down and he has no muscle mass at all.
00:34:48.000 You're like, all right, we're going to put in him just one play and then he gets to score like one touchdown.
00:34:52.000 You're like, Joe Biden did it.
00:34:53.000 He scored it.
00:34:54.000 It's not that case at all.
00:34:55.000 Now it's like Joe Biden has to perform.
00:34:58.000 Like Joe Biden has to give a primetime address and speech and convince people that he has the mental capacity, the stamina, the wherewithal, the clarity.
00:35:07.000 And it's, I think, I think the Democrats in a lot of different ways, I think they're realizing how much they kind of screwed this up.
00:35:14.000 And I agree that they're starting to hedge, that they're significantly starting to hedge.
00:35:19.000 And so, so, Benny, what else, what did, what are people missing from the last couple of days?
00:35:25.000 What are one of the things that you think that we need to dive into that we can pick apart heading into November from this convention that we didn't know a couple days ago?
00:35:36.000 Well, I believe that if you look at the ratings, you'll see that the enthusiasm gap that we've been hearing about with Biden is catastrophic.
00:35:45.000 It's gone from like Grand Canyon to like distance of the earth to the moon.
00:35:50.000 Like there is a gap.
00:35:51.000 There's a huge gap.
00:35:52.000 There's like a like, there's an ozone layer in the gap.
00:35:55.000 There is no enthusiasm.
00:35:57.000 There is none.
00:35:58.000 There is no enthusiasm.
00:35:59.000 We'll be in Wilmington, Delaware for some very fun things tomorrow.
00:36:04.000 I have no idea what you're talking about.
00:36:06.000 But there's like going to, there is a gap, and we fully look forward to showing that.
00:36:13.000 It's interesting if you think about it, make the case for Joe Biden without saying the name Donald Trump.
00:36:21.000 It's a great point, Benny.
00:36:23.000 Like, do it.
00:36:24.000 It's fine.
00:36:25.000 But you can't.
00:36:26.000 And instead of, I was at the RNC in 2012.
00:36:30.000 So were you really right?
00:36:31.000 You were at the RNC in 2012.
00:36:33.000 That was when Turning Point got started, if I'm remembering the Turning Point legacy story, correctly.
00:36:39.000 That's right.
00:36:39.000 We were both in Tampa, Florida in very different places in our life.
00:36:43.000 Right.
00:36:43.000 Yes, correct.
00:36:44.000 And I remember watching the speeches and certainly Obama got mentioned a little bit here and there, but it really was about a Republican vision for the country.
00:36:54.000 And, you know, Clint Eastwood brought out the chair, remember?
00:36:57.000 That was such a scandal.
00:36:59.000 A scondal.
00:37:00.000 Clint Eastwood, you know, and his chair.
00:37:04.000 Oh, like that was it.
00:37:07.000 That was it.
00:37:07.000 That was the big scandal.
00:37:09.000 All right.
00:37:10.000 And now, you know, like it's nothing but Donald Trump.
00:37:14.000 The entire convention is the anti-Trump Fest.
00:37:17.000 They're not for anything.
00:37:18.000 And so when Trump comes in and actually hopefully crystallizes the things that we all have together as Americans and then takes that energy and then uses it as like an energy ball and just destroys Joe Biden in the debates with it, right?
00:37:36.000 Like an orb in his hands and he just pushes it like Dragon Ball Z towards Biden.
00:37:41.000 He'll just evaporate.
00:37:42.000 He'll just turn in.
00:37:43.000 He's already the crypt keeper.
00:37:44.000 He'll just like turn into dust like Yoda.
00:37:46.000 It'll just poof.
00:37:47.000 He'll just go away.
00:37:49.000 And I just don't think, I don't think there's like this unifying moment that people want out of a convention where you like have all this energy going into the debates because the debates is obviously where you win or lose.
00:38:00.000 The conventions are not where you win or lose.
00:38:02.000 The conventions are when people go, oh, that's interesting.
00:38:04.000 The debates are when you win or lose.
00:38:07.000 And right now, I just, Charlie, I just can't imagine a worse state than the Democratic Party prepared for a debate against this man.
00:38:18.000 You know Donald Trump better than many, many people on earth.
00:38:23.000 You are as close as family to him.
00:38:26.000 I've heard him refer to you as a son he never had, even though he has two awesome sons.
00:38:32.000 But he refers to you, three awesome sons.
00:38:35.000 He refers to you as like a child, a Trump child.
00:38:38.000 You're close to him.
00:38:40.000 What is the president doing to prepare for these debates?
00:38:42.000 What is the president thinking about the GOP convention?
00:38:45.000 And how is he going to crystallize in this last 75 days, like the message, which has very much been back and forth?
00:38:54.000 One thing I know about the president that I have learned is unlike other people, he embraces the most difficult moments.
00:39:02.000 He's actually at his best.
00:39:04.000 There's very few human beings that actually look forward to the triple overtime game seven of the NBA finals.
00:39:11.000 Give me the ball, right?
00:39:14.000 Most people aren't wired that way, actually.
00:39:16.000 Most people are wired the opposite.
00:39:18.000 Most people are like, I hope it doesn't go to overtime.
00:39:20.000 Okay, got somebody else did it.
00:39:22.000 Thank goodness.
00:39:22.000 Let's go celebrate.
00:39:23.000 It's almost like, could you imagine, Benny, any other circumstance with someone like the president where he, every single time he steps up when the pressure is on him, whether it be a state of the union address, whether it be notifying the nation throughout the, I mean, he always steps up.
00:39:39.000 He always has.
00:39:39.000 And this was the big question right in the debates back in 2016, which was how would Trump prep for the debates?
00:39:45.000 And he just slaughtered Hillary Clinton, right?
00:39:48.000 It wasn't even close, especially, and he did it in such a way where he was impromptu and he was just really, really good on his feet.
00:39:56.000 And Hillary looked so pre-rehearsed, and Trump just looked magnanimous.
00:39:59.000 I mean, you could use sports analogies.
00:40:01.000 I love sports.
00:40:02.000 I miss sports.
00:40:02.000 I miss when sports weren't, you know, kowtowing to insurrectionist organizations in our country.
00:40:07.000 But, you know, some of the great athletes are so similar to this: Michael Jordan, Tom Brady, where they're like, give me the ball.
00:40:11.000 I'm going to step up.
00:40:12.000 I'm going to perform.
00:40:14.000 And President Trump is no different than that.
00:40:16.000 President Trump almost wants that moment.
00:40:19.000 In some ways, it wouldn't be like poetically correct if Trump was up like 15 points in the polls right now.
00:40:26.000 Like, of course, he has to be down.
00:40:28.000 Of course, the guy that never was supposed to win had an unbelievably successful presidency got spied on, had a whole coup against him, had a special investigation that found nothing, that had his own party go against him.
00:40:40.000 He endorsed the former presidential candidate of his own party only to see him go to the Senate and then tell him that he's awful and vote to impeach him.
00:40:47.000 He gets impeached, overcomes the impeachment.
00:40:50.000 Then our number one geopolitical foe comes and sends a virus from halfway around the world and shuts down everything, our economy, kills 160,000 Americans.
00:40:58.000 And despite all that, you're trying to tell me the president's still within the margin of error?
00:41:02.000 Of course.
00:41:03.000 Because it makes perfect sense because everything about this entire presidency is there's something different about this, right?
00:41:11.000 And so what he's doing to prepare is, first of all, he has great instincts.
00:41:15.000 He's consuming information really well.
00:41:17.000 Unlike Joe Biden, he's not sheltering in place.
00:41:19.000 He's traveling.
00:41:20.000 I'm of the opinion that for President Trump, movement is life.
00:41:24.000 I actually think that the more he travels, the more he meets with people, the more phone calls he makes, the more energy and the sharper that he gets, right?
00:41:31.000 Unlike Biden, that that would actually make him basically incapacitated, right?
00:41:35.000 So President Trump can go to Wisconsin, the very state that the convention is supposed to be held.
00:41:40.000 And the same week he goes to Arizona, Iowa, and Minnesota, where Joe Biden does not leave the entire area of Wilmington, Delaware.
00:41:47.000 That should tell you quite a lot.
00:41:49.000 And so you put all that together.
00:41:50.000 The president lives for moments like this.
00:41:53.000 His entire life has built up to these next 75 days, right?
00:41:57.000 And you can kind of see he's entered what I call like victory mode, right?
00:42:01.000 There's like a whole nother level of intensity that he's entered lately, where he walks in, and every word, every conversation is all about victory, right?
00:42:09.000 And we know this in politics.
00:42:11.000 The person who is more focused is more likely to have breakthrough moments and less likely to make success, make mistakes, not just focused, but just has that kind of winning attitude.
00:42:22.000 I mean, if you kind of go back in 2012 and 2008, Obama walked around with some swagger, right?
00:42:27.000 I mean, again, I'm not an Obama fan.
00:42:29.000 I think he's one of the worst presidents in American history.
00:42:30.000 But when he walked in, he was like, that guy's probably going to win.
00:42:33.000 Like Mitt Romney walked in.
00:42:34.000 He was kind of like, always, he felt like a CEO that was apologizing to people because he shipped their jobs overseas, right?
00:42:38.000 Like every meeting Mitt Romney walked into is like he was apologizing.
00:42:41.000 He's just shut down your factory.
00:42:43.000 John McCain.
00:42:44.000 I mean, he did.
00:42:44.000 And he deserved to apologize, but yes.
00:42:46.000 That's exactly why, right?
00:42:47.000 That's like his whole theme.
00:42:48.000 Like every time he talked to public gatherings, it was just, I'm sorry to you, 600 individuals.
00:42:52.000 I've shipped your jobs to, you know, Indonesia or to China.
00:42:56.000 And so to answer the question, Benny, this is an opportunity that the president is going to step up heroically.
00:43:02.000 I really believe that.
00:43:03.000 And I know this.
00:43:04.000 Like, I travel the country.
00:43:05.000 I've been to Michigan, Florida, North Carolina, Arizona, Colorado.
00:43:09.000 I've been to Montana, Wyoming, Maine, just in the last two weeks, right?
00:43:12.000 I'm still traveling despite all this nonsense.
00:43:14.000 I'm talking to more swing voters than any other person, probably person to person, right?
00:43:18.000 And I can tell you right now, people are just not just demanding, but they need next week.
00:43:25.000 Like they need it.
00:43:26.000 Like if the Republicans do their job, whatever enthusiasm is right now, like if you're talking about the gap between enthusiasm, Grand Canyon to Mars, like the furthest popular, furthest planet you can imagine, right?
00:43:38.000 Just Pluto, Saturn, whatever.
00:43:40.000 That's where we're going to be, right?
00:43:41.000 Because the American people right now have been so beaten down and so depressed by the activist media, by the barrage of understandable bad news, by losing loved ones, which a lot of us have had to live through, by bad economic news, that actually people want to celebrate their country again, right?
00:43:56.000 They don't want to have to have a non-stop infomercial of every single grievance industry.
00:44:00.000 And Benny, one other thing I wanted to mention, I felt like tonight was the oppression Olympics.
00:44:04.000 It was kind of like a competition of like who is the most oppressed victim group.
00:44:08.000 Like what is, and grievance politics is actually inherently really nasty because eventually those groups will turn against each other.
00:44:14.000 Right.
00:44:15.000 And so I think that answers the question.
00:44:18.000 Yeah.
00:44:19.000 Well, I mean, it's, it's so, so much a moment that we need.
00:44:26.000 And you're exactly right.
00:44:26.000 And it really is something that we're all hoping for as conservatives, as Republicans, that the RNC is able to pull this off.
00:44:34.000 And we think they will.
00:44:35.000 We will see.
00:44:36.000 You know, we will see.
00:44:38.000 You know, the president better than many on the planet in the 1% of the 1%.
00:44:44.000 What is he doing to prepare to debate Joe Biden?
00:44:47.000 Well, I think just being himself is what you have to do to debate.
00:44:51.000 And look, I know this from, I don't know this from being intimately around him, but I know this from people around him.
00:44:55.000 He consumes information.
00:44:57.000 He loves asking questions.
00:44:58.000 There's an issue he doesn't understand.
00:44:59.000 He's going to grill people.
00:45:00.000 He's going to know his numbers.
00:45:01.000 He's going to know his stats.
00:45:02.000 He's going to know Biden's vulnerabilities.
00:45:04.000 And he's going to be locked in.
00:45:05.000 And I'm of the opinion, I've counseled this privately and publicly.
00:45:10.000 I think the president should demand for in-person debates, demand for them.
00:45:14.000 No Zoom calls, no Skype, none of that nonsense.
00:45:17.000 And then if Joe Biden says no, then send Maureen one and say, we are going to do this at Camp David.
00:45:22.000 You know Camp David.
00:45:23.000 It is secure.
00:45:24.000 We'll do testing beforehand.
00:45:25.000 We are doing it in person.
00:45:27.000 And I get 20 guests, you get 20 guests.
00:45:29.000 We'll do it with a debate audience.
00:45:30.000 The audience doesn't mean that much, to be honest with you, Benny.
00:45:33.000 The audience is usually not engaging.
00:45:34.000 I actually do think the best debate that Trump had, though, was the second debate back in 2016, where he actually interacted with the audience.
00:45:41.000 But even if there's no audience, they have to be in the same room together.
00:45:44.000 They have to, Benny.
00:45:45.000 You'll see frail Joe Biden that will not be able to be fed answers or have little pieces of paper.
00:45:50.000 We need to know exactly how they interact when the lights are on.
00:45:53.000 Because you know why?
00:45:54.000 When President Trump renegotiated against Xi Ji Ping, that's like a debate.
00:45:58.000 When President Trump was harsh on the Iranian regime, that's like a debate.
00:46:02.000 When Joe Biden sent his son an Air Force II, that was like a debate.
00:46:05.000 What do I mean by that?
00:46:06.000 They fold under pressure.
00:46:08.000 They don't do well when adversaries confront them.
00:46:10.000 So I want to see what Joe Biden is.
00:46:12.000 And this is the argument that I think the White House has to make and the campaign has to make, that debates matter.
00:46:17.000 They don't just matter for obvious reasons of collision of ideas, but they matter also between like, who do you want actually representing the renegotiation of these treaties, right?
00:46:25.000 Like, who do you want to represent the geopolitical landscape?
00:46:30.000 And President Trump's done a phenomenal job.
00:46:32.000 I mean, I think that part of next week needs to be talking about his foreign policy accomplishments.
00:46:35.000 It's been unbelievable.
00:46:36.000 And if we're honest with ourselves, that's actually the top, you know, sworn duty of the commander-in-chief.
00:46:41.000 Charlie, what is the question that you would ask?
00:46:44.000 I know we're coming up on an hour here, but what is the question that you would ask Joe Biden?
00:46:47.000 Like, what would be the stump question?
00:46:49.000 So if you were in the debate prep room, and obviously the president's very good on his feet, right?
00:46:53.000 Because you'd be in jail.
00:46:54.000 He's great on his feet.
00:46:55.000 That wasn't rehearsed, obviously.
00:46:57.000 Like, he was able to really hammer Hillary on all these catching moments. 0.97
00:47:01.000 And then she, remember, she just stood there. 1.00
00:47:03.000 He said, because you'd be in jail and she just goes like this.
00:47:07.000 Right.
00:47:07.000 And, and, and, and then Bill Clinton was like, her, not me, please.
00:47:11.000 Like, take her.
00:47:13.000 Oh, okay.
00:47:15.000 Yeah.
00:47:18.000 Jelaine Maxwell, I gotta call you for something.
00:47:24.000 What is the thing?
00:47:26.000 What is the question that you would throw at Joe as a dart, as a tomahawk, like as a tomahawk to the heart?
00:47:35.000 What is the question?
00:47:36.000 Well, so I'll start with kind of like the easy question.
00:47:38.000 I think that I think, well, first of all, I think I love the way you're looking at this is the president should cross-examine Joe Biden, not the other way around, right?
00:47:45.000 So I think he should say, Joe Biden, you were vice president for eight years.
00:47:48.000 You're in Washington DC for 40.
00:47:50.000 I did more in three years than you did in 40.
00:47:52.000 Why?
00:47:52.000 Right.
00:47:53.000 All of a sudden, you framed the entire conversation where they have to kind of fight uphill a little bit.
00:47:58.000 And then I also think that there has to be, and I'd have to think more about this, but I think there has to be the correct framing of the question, which is like, and it could backfire.
00:48:08.000 It could backfire if you bring Hunter too much into it, to be honest with you, because Joe could get really mad about Bo Biden, understandable death and tragedy.
00:48:16.000 But I think that you have to find the right issue and the right thing where I think this is a good one.
00:48:21.000 It's like, Joe Biden, do you think people are not black if they don't vote for you? 0.80
00:48:25.000 Like just something like that, just like, just said in kind of that de-escalatory tone, right?
00:48:29.000 Where it's not kind of like, like, do you think that people aren't black if they don't vote for you?
00:48:34.000 And you just kind of like, right?
00:48:36.000 And it's just like, and the cool thing about a debate is that the moderator actually becomes increasingly irrelevant when Donald Trump walks in because he's for most of these kind of activist media apparatchiks, Donald Trump's very intimidating, right?
00:48:48.000 You meet him, he's six foot three, he's very, very powerful, right? 0.93
00:48:52.000 When he walks in, he's, you know, and so he'll just be like, screw you, moderator. 0.89
00:48:55.000 Joe, I'm going to ask you a question. 0.99
00:48:57.000 Do you think that black people are black if they don't vote for you? 1.00
00:48:59.000 Like, that is a perfect question to ask, right? 1.00
00:49:02.000 It's just right on the money.
00:49:04.000 And so something like that.
00:49:06.000 But I think that, look, here's the challenge that Trump will run into the debate.
00:49:10.000 And I think that he has to be prepared for this, is that there is going to be kind of a short-circuiting moment for Joe Biden where he just kind of is unable to answer the question.
00:49:19.000 And then Donald Trump has to not go for the kill.
00:49:22.000 Instead, it has to just be this small push over the cliff, right?
00:49:26.000 It has to be, it can't be like, told you so, totally weak, has Alzheimer's, dementia, diagnosed him, can't do that, right?
00:49:32.000 Instead, it has to be like something like almost, I think we all know exactly what's going on right now.
00:49:38.000 Like, boom, something like that, right?
00:49:40.000 Where's just that kind of, or else it's going to look like beating up on the, on the weak, right?
00:49:45.000 Weirdly, we all, we all have this, we all have this sympathy for the helpless, my newborn, right?
00:49:51.000 It's like, you have sympathy.
00:49:53.000 You're like, you love the baby because the baby just can't exist without you and me.
00:49:56.000 And no one wants love and care.
00:49:58.000 No one wants to vote for like a predator, right?
00:50:01.000 And with Joe, it's like, you just have sympathy for him.
00:50:04.000 You watch him last night.
00:50:05.000 Did you see the thing with Jill Biden last night?
00:50:07.000 Jill Biden gives this very nice speech until Joe comes in.
00:50:10.000 Like she gives a perfectly fine speech and she ends it.
00:50:14.000 And Joe comes wobbling in there.
00:50:16.000 He ties, first off, he ties her hand around his mask.
00:50:19.000 His mask gets all tangled in his hand. 0.99
00:50:21.000 So he like yanks her hand behind her with his filthy, disgusting Joe, like mensha mask. 0.99
00:50:28.000 And then he like says his name wrong. 0.99
00:50:31.000 He says, I'm Joe Biden's husband.
00:50:33.000 Can't get that right.
00:50:34.000 And then he says she has a backbone like a ramrod, which is super weird.
00:50:39.000 And then he said that, like, it's a weird thing to say about your wife.
00:50:42.000 I didn't, you know, like, at least he didn't bite her finger, which he's prone to do in front of everyone.
00:50:48.000 But because he did literally bite, hit, and lick his wife's finger on national TV.
00:50:52.000 And then he confused his wife with his sister.
00:50:56.000 And then he said his sister is his love of his life.
00:50:58.000 He's also done that.
00:50:59.000 But then ultimately, like, he like made some weird allegory to like, she's like the homeroom teacher you never had. 0.99
00:51:06.000 And even Jill is just like, get out of here. 0.93
00:51:11.000 Get out of here. 1.00
00:51:12.000 Yeah, go.
00:51:13.000 And he's going to do that.
00:51:14.000 You're right.
00:51:14.000 He's going to have these senior moments.
00:51:15.000 He's going to have these senior moments.
00:51:17.000 Charlie, tell me if you think this is a good idea.
00:51:19.000 If I were Donald Trump, I would start by saying we have a crisis in this country.
00:51:24.000 There are millions of people who are suffering right now because of something called leftist violence.
00:51:30.000 Joe Biden, does Antifa exist?
00:51:33.000 Yes, that's exactly right.
00:51:35.000 And I'll tell you what, Charlie, if I were to guess, what would happen?
00:51:38.000 Joe Biden wouldn't know what Antifa is.
00:51:41.000 That's right.
00:51:41.000 Do you think that Joe Biden would say what?
00:51:43.000 Minnesota.
00:51:44.000 New poll came in, Benny.
00:51:46.000 47 Trump, 47% Biden.
00:51:50.000 Tied.
00:51:52.000 Why do you think that is?
00:51:54.000 Maybe because the entire inner city of Minneapolis is burning down.
00:51:57.000 Well, yes, correct.
00:51:59.000 Yeah.
00:52:00.000 I mean, like, I'm from the Midwest.
00:52:04.000 You're from the Midwest.
00:52:05.000 Minnesota's always been a corkball state in the Midwest.
00:52:07.000 We don't really like Minnesota.
00:52:09.000 You know, as a fellow Midwesterners, we'd like to.
00:52:11.000 It's like the creepy.
00:52:14.000 Yeah, but honestly, like, Minnesota still has the same type of Midwestern sensibilities that the rest of us have, and it's just gone insane.
00:52:21.000 If I were in Chicago as you are right now, I'd see the same thing.
00:52:25.000 We have another question.
00:52:26.000 We have another question right here.
00:52:28.000 Even if Donald Trump is elected, it will not stop the leftist takeover forever.
00:52:32.000 How can we make sure the Democrats and the left are less radicals out in the event?
00:52:36.000 They take power, they will not permanently destroy America as we know it.
00:52:41.000 Well, I know you know the answer to this, but before I let you answer much better than me and smarter than me, I'll, you know, I'll take my low IQ answer of this.
00:52:49.000 The low IQ answer of this is England.
00:52:51.000 And England is a wonderful example of a conservative party so putting the left in a box.
00:52:58.000 Like the leftist party in England has been the Labor Party, as it's called, has been utterly taken over by radical, vicious, venomous, AOC-style anti-Semites. 0.68
00:53:09.000 Jeremy Corbyn and AOC are best friends.
00:53:11.000 They call each other, they love each other, they have a good time, they have a great relationship.
00:53:15.000 They love talking about how Israel needs to be destroyed and wiped out the face of the earth and how they need to take away all private capital and all private property. 0.58
00:53:20.000 They love each other.
00:53:22.000 And Labor won how many seats in the last election?
00:53:25.000 I mean, it's like three.
00:53:26.000 That's the landslide.
00:53:28.000 None of the polling reflected that going into it.
00:53:31.000 No.
00:53:31.000 And so what happened is over the course of the radical leftists metastasizing through the host that is the corpse of the Democratic Party that is now the host for this, you know, essentially like Leninist, Maoist, Marxist takeover.
00:53:50.000 You just let them do it, right?
00:53:52.000 You let them fail.
00:53:53.000 And then you take this next four years of Trump wins and you marginalize and crush them into this little ball, this little tinfoil ball.
00:54:01.000 I was going to say, no, you're right, Benny.
00:54:03.000 I mean, my take on this is the only way to treat these people is to defeat them.
00:54:07.000 You have to achieve victory.
00:54:09.000 Like there is no other, you have to beat them at the ballot box.
00:54:11.000 You have to beat them in conversation.
00:54:12.000 You have to beat them in culture.
00:54:13.000 You have to beat them in video, all those sorts of things.
00:54:15.000 Beat them on social media, all these sorts of things.
00:54:18.000 And if you beat them in video, talk my language.
00:54:22.000 Yeah.
00:54:23.000 And if we don't, and the failure to do so is they will run us all over, right?
00:54:27.000 And they will not stop unless they are stopped.
00:54:30.000 That's the biggest takeaway, right?
00:54:32.000 They will not the only way if we can, if we can demoralize them, I have a different theory than most people, right?
00:54:40.000 So some people, Benny, I want your opinion on this.
00:54:42.000 Some people say, well, if Trump wins, the country is going to blow up, all these sorts of things.
00:54:47.000 I think there might be like an instant revolt, right?
00:54:50.000 I think there might, but we've already saw some pretty big insurrection.
00:54:53.000 I'm actually of the opinion, Benny, if he wins, they'll be very demoralized.
00:54:57.000 Like they will be, I mean, I think it'll be a deathblow, like the likes of which we've never seen before.
00:55:03.000 Yes.
00:55:04.000 I mean, think of like, do you remember no, the no meme?
00:55:07.000 The best thing at no like Donald Trump's inauguration.
00:55:12.000 Like, think of that, but think of that, but like Thanos' army in the Avengers Infinity War.
00:55:20.000 Like, just these, like, this, like, field of no, no.
00:55:26.000 Like, this is like what it will be.
00:55:30.000 But here's my take, like, my take, Charlie, and you have the questions, I don't.
00:55:33.000 So tell me if I, you know, my take is this, very simply.
00:55:38.000 Kavanaugh, you brought up Kavanaugh a little bit ago.
00:55:41.000 Kavanaugh was a perfect example of how they can, they, they can't help themselves.
00:55:44.000 They're going to lose.
00:55:45.000 They can't help themselves.
00:55:46.000 They go too extreme.
00:55:47.000 They get this taste in the water, this bloodlust in the water, and they just, they can't help themselves.
00:55:51.000 The left can't help themselves.
00:55:53.000 They're such committed Marxists that they don't know when to stop.
00:55:57.000 And so with Kavanaugh, they just didn't know when to stop.
00:55:58.000 And they lost the Senate because of it.
00:56:00.000 The Democrats were going to win the Senate.
00:56:01.000 And it would have been a really rough time for Donald Trump.
00:56:04.000 He would have spent the entire last two years vetoing everything.
00:56:06.000 Veto, veto, veto.
00:56:07.000 It would have been exhausting.
00:56:09.000 Instead, they, you know, because of Kavanaugh, the GOP was able to pull it out in spite of themselves, obviously.
00:56:15.000 And you and I have thoughts on that.
00:56:18.000 What the left is doing right now, burning down cities, burning down cities, like absolute fractured America, post-American politics.
00:56:26.000 The American public's sick of it.
00:56:27.000 They're going to spit it out.
00:56:29.000 I think the framing of post-American politics is a great way to put it.
00:56:33.000 Last question here, Benny, and we're getting at freedom at charliekirk.com, freedom at charliekirk.com.
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00:56:48.000 Last question here, Benny.
00:56:50.000 What do you think the October surprise will be?
00:56:52.000 Or what do you think it should be?
00:56:54.000 What do you think we could force the hand for the October surprise?
00:56:58.000 Last time, it was James Comey and the Billy Bush tape, believe it or not.
00:57:01.000 And despite that, Donald Trump overcame it.
00:57:04.000 Remember, his campaign was given a eulogy almost a couple weeks before by the media.
00:57:09.000 And that's why I tell people we're in a better place now than we were in 16.
00:57:13.000 I'm like, hold on a second.
00:57:14.000 You remember the Democrat convention where we were getting in fights with the gold star father?
00:57:18.000 You remember the Democrat convention where they were united and we had fights on the floor of who we were going to nominate?
00:57:26.000 And then all of a sudden we had the Billy Bush tape and we overcame that.
00:57:28.000 What do you think the October surprise is?
00:57:30.000 Or what do you think it could be or should be?
00:57:35.000 There are things I can say and things I can't say.
00:57:37.000 So the things I can say, things I can say are I believe that there's going to be huge indictments that are going to come down in ObamaGate and Spygate and Russia Gate.
00:57:53.000 I believe that that is going to be laid bare and some of the highest levels of our government, probably pre-debate, are going to have to answer for that.
00:58:00.000 Obviously, Joe Biden's name is on a lot of unmaskings.
00:58:04.000 And I think that's part of the reason why Susan Rice wasn't selected as vice president.
00:58:09.000 Susan Rice, I personally believe, would have made a killer vice president for Joe Biden.
00:58:15.000 And I believe that is one of the reasons.
00:58:18.000 They know that they know that they are caught red-handed in all of this.
00:58:22.000 And I believe the public, when you can finally focus on it and when people start getting perp walked in and out of court for it, I think that you'll like the attention, the water will boil so heavily that the establishment media will have to cover it and people will have to see.
00:58:40.000 And the corruption, the weird part about Joe Biden being selected by the DNC as the candidate, the weird part about that is that he is complicit, at least, at worst, you know, at best he's complicit, right?
00:58:58.000 He was just there to go along.
00:58:59.000 He didn't quite know what was happening.
00:59:00.000 At worst, he was one of the people masterminding it.
00:59:03.000 One of the people suggesting that this is the way they go after Flynn.
00:59:06.000 This is the way they go after these people.
00:59:07.000 He's using his 40 years in Washington to figure out how to corrupt the system.
00:59:11.000 So that's what I personally believe the surprise is going to be that.
00:59:15.000 I think there are some other really special things in the works.
00:59:18.000 And I think there are some other really big things that can happen between now and then.
00:59:22.000 If you know one thing about Donald Trump, it's that he doesn't like to be caught without a card up his sleeve.
00:59:27.000 And he's got a full deck.
00:59:30.000 We'll have to watch and see.
00:59:31.000 Benny, thank you so much for watching.
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