The Charlie Kirk Show - Holding America Hostage For Foreign Criminals

00:00:03.000 My name is Charlie Kirk.

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00:01:09.000 All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:11.000 It is Monday, March 23rd, 2026.

00:01:14.000 Good to be back in Phoenix.

00:01:16.000 Welcome back.

00:01:17.000 It's not just that you're back in Phoenix.

00:01:19.000 It's that you have once again regained access to, you know what?

00:01:23.000 To a certain orange view that will revitalize.

00:01:28.000 Yeah, we're not there yet.

00:01:29.000 We're not there yet.

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00:01:32.000 I have here.

00:01:33.000 I have everyone's thinking about it.

00:01:34.000 All right.

00:01:35.000 So, yeah, we've got a really full show, lots of guests coming up.

00:01:39.000 I want to address something that emerged over the weekend.

00:01:42.000 And really, it's kind of been a storyline, I guess, for the last week or so after the resignation of Joe Kent.

00:01:50.000 We touched on it a couple times last week.

00:01:53.000 Obviously, it's consumed a lot of media.

00:01:57.000 President Trump's being asked about it and whatnot.

00:02:00.000 The central claim, though, that I want to get to is: was Joe Kent leaking certain information?

00:02:08.000 And over the weekend, a clip came up and it's gone a little bit viral.

00:02:12.000 I want to address it.

00:02:13.000 Let's go ahead and play it CUD16. 0.64

00:02:15.000 The way that those screenshots got to Candace is via Joe Kent.

00:02:22.000 Andrew Colvett, Andrew was in the chat group as well.

00:02:26.000 He was one of the nine people in the group.

00:02:28.000 And he admitted, at first, be perfectly honest, at first he was denying it.

00:02:32.000 We didn't know how Candace got them, but then he admitted on the air on his show that he had given these text messages and he gave them to, he said that on the show that he gave them to someone in the government.

00:02:45.000 He told us that, that he gave them to someone in the government.

00:02:48.000 Joe Kent was someone that we knew that there was a relationship there between Charlie and Andrew and Joe.

00:02:56.000 We knew that when Charlie would visit Washington, D.C., he would talk to Joe.

00:03:00.000 We kind of verified that the messages had been given by Andrew to Joe Kent and that Joe Kent had been the one to pass them on to Candace.

00:03:08.000 All right.

00:03:09.000 So Verified's doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

00:03:12.000 I do want to confirm what I can confirm, and that is that, yes, in the immediate aftermath, I did provide the group chat to Joe Kent.

00:03:22.000 We don't throw around accusations recklessly here.

00:03:25.000 We don't.

00:03:26.000 There's a lot of people that do that online.

00:03:28.000 We don't do that.

00:03:29.000 We think that's keeping in the spirit of Charlie's spirit.

00:03:32.000 And the way we choose to do things is we try and be responsible.

00:03:36.000 So yes, in a spirit of looking at every lead, turning over every stone, we wanted everybody that needed to know to know anything that we knew.

00:03:45.000 I mean, and by the way, we've been accused of not being interested in the truth.

00:03:49.000 Just to remind people what this is referring to, this is after Charlie's murder, there were text messages from a private group chat that were made public and were used to, frankly, kick off the big conspiracy theory that we've run into over and over again, which is that Israel or the Jews had Charlie murdered.

00:04:14.000 Yes.

00:04:15.000 Which we do not believe.

00:04:16.000 Which we do not believe.

00:04:17.000 But we have been accused of trying to, or we're not interested in the truth.

00:04:22.000 The actual fact of the matter is that behind the scenes, we have given everything we know to give, every single piece of information.

00:04:29.000 This was one of them.

00:04:30.000 I was told I could trust Joe Kent.

00:04:32.000 I provided the screen grabs to Joe Kent.

00:04:35.000 And I don't know what happened to them at that point.

00:04:39.000 Okay.

00:04:39.000 I just want to make that very clear.

00:04:41.000 Eventually, Joe did message me and suggest that I make those screen grabs public.

00:04:48.000 I declined because those were shared privately.

00:04:52.000 I didn't want to be reckless with them in the public.

00:04:54.000 There could be innocent people on that group chat that would then be harmed.

00:04:57.000 So I declined.

00:04:59.000 But then, fast forward another week or two, and they were made public.

00:05:03.000 So that's what I know, is that Joe suggested that they be made public.

00:05:08.000 I declined.

00:05:08.000 Then they were made public.

00:05:10.000 Can I 100% categorically say that he leaked them?

00:05:14.000 No.

00:05:15.000 But those are the facts.

00:05:16.000 Maybe somebody on his team.

00:05:18.000 Maybe they got passed around.

00:05:19.000 Maybe somebody else leaked them.

00:05:21.000 But those are the facts of the matter, and that's what I know.

00:05:25.000 Yeah.

00:05:25.000 And the reason we're bringing this up, obviously, with his departure from the administration, there's a lot of debate over what it means.

00:05:31.000 People have been arguing, was he a leaker?

00:05:35.000 Some people have suggested he might be a criminal.

00:05:37.000 He should be indicted.

00:05:38.000 We're not saying that.

00:05:39.000 But this has come up.

00:05:42.000 Well, and my name's getting tossed around with this as if I did something untoward.

00:05:46.000 No, I don't regret any of it.

00:05:48.000 I regret that they were leaked.

00:05:49.000 I was told that I could trust him.

00:05:51.000 I told that it was private and it would be guarded just to look into any possible leads.

00:05:55.000 And by the way, we did that with a bunch of different things because we want the truth to come out.

00:06:01.000 So we're not blocking anything.

00:06:03.000 We don't even care if the answer is something that is really, really terrible, okay?

00:06:08.000 We want the truth.

00:06:09.000 We want justice.

00:06:11.000 And we believe that Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk.

00:06:13.000 We believe that they got their guy.

00:06:15.000 We have additional questions.

00:06:16.000 But guess what?

00:06:18.000 It was an egregious breach.

00:06:20.000 Whoever shared that screen grab publicly, it was an egregious breach.

00:06:24.000 And obviously, we're not happy about it.

00:06:27.000 But can't put it back together again.

00:06:29.000 Can't put the pace back in the tube, as they say.

00:06:32.000 And so, again, I just want to be very clear.

00:06:35.000 I don't know who ultimately shared that publicly.

00:06:38.000 But the facts are, Joe Kent was one of the people that had it.

00:06:42.000 Very, very, very small group of people.

00:06:44.000 Maybe one of his team members, whatever.

00:06:46.000 But he did suggest that it was shared publicly.

00:06:48.000 We declined because Charlie had every opportunity to say publicly what he believed.

00:06:53.000 He did not say that publicly.

00:06:55.000 And so far be it from me to put words in his mouth, okay?

00:06:59.000 That was something that was private.

00:07:01.000 So we wanted to keep it private.

00:07:02.000 And I think that's being in keeping with being a good friend, okay?

00:07:06.000 It's preserving somebody's trust in their privacy.

00:07:10.000 So now everybody knows.

00:07:11.000 Yes, Joe Kent had it.

00:07:13.000 Yes, he did suggest leaking it.

00:07:14.000 Can't prove that he was the one.

00:07:16.000 But those are the facts because there's been a lot of noise made about this in the past, whether, you know, in the recent week about allegations of leaking and things like that.

00:07:27.000 I don't know anything other than that piece of the puzzle, okay?

00:07:27.000 I got nothing.

00:07:30.000 That's all I know.

00:07:31.000 And I'm not going to recklessly tarnish somebody's reputation if I don't have all the facts.

00:07:36.000 But now that my name's being brought up into it, I wanted to address it.

00:07:40.000 Fair enough.

00:07:41.000 Fair enough.

00:07:42.000 All right.

00:07:43.000 Now, we prefer to keep our front towards the enemy, which is, as always, the left. 0.53

00:07:49.000 They're up to a very large number of bad things in this country at all times.

00:07:53.000 Yes, they are.

00:07:55.000 Well, I mean, so the rest of the show, we do have Senator Bernie Moreno.

00:08:00.000 We're going to talk about DHS funding, TSA, lines of the airport.

00:08:04.000 Also, the Democrats' refusal to have their pay docked or delayed while 260,000 families aren't getting their paychecks.

00:08:14.000 But also, we are going to get into recent comments made by President Trump about a potential ceasefire.

00:08:21.000 Now, President Trump has come out and said that he's been talking with the main guy who's not Khomeini.

00:08:26.000 We don't know, he hasn't said who this person is, but he's talking to somebody in Iran.

00:08:30.000 I don't know that anybody really knows who's in charge in Iran.

00:08:34.000 So, where he's he says that we have a five-day ceasefire, but not a total ceasefire.

00:08:38.000 It's a ceasefire against infrastructure.

00:08:40.000 So, that would be like energy, oil.

00:08:43.000 You're laughing, Blake.

00:08:44.000 I'm laughing because it's five days.

00:08:47.000 You know, it means it'll get him to the next weekend.

00:08:51.000 Yeah, friend.

00:08:52.000 You know, there's this real thing.

00:08:53.000 He'd like to do anything, anything that could make the markets do that on the weekend.

00:08:57.000 You can then push your ceasefire options on Monday following Monday.

00:09:01.000 Yeah.

00:09:01.000 It's a certain dynamic that's very interesting to see.

00:09:04.000 Listen, the Dow future shot up 1,200 points as soon as he said that there was a five-day ceasefire on infrastructure.

00:09:10.000 I mean, listen, you can't.

00:09:11.000 If it works, it works.

00:09:12.000 If it works, it works.

00:09:14.000 Obviously, we're all hoping that this conflict gets wrapped up immediately, as soon as humanly possible.

00:09:22.000 And so, listen, if it leads to that, I'm all for it.

00:09:24.000 We want this thing over with.

00:09:25.000 Blake, President Trump gave a press conference, kind of a gaggle, if you will.

00:09:29.000 It wasn't really a press conference, as he was in transit.

00:09:32.000 And the topic of Iran was front and center, so we're going to lead there.

00:09:36.000 Cut five.

00:09:37.000 Iran's foreign ministry says you're not telling the truth when it comes to productive conversations down the road.

00:09:42.000 Well, they're going to have to get themselves better public relations, people.

00:09:46.000 We have had very, very strong talks.

00:09:49.000 We'll see where they lead.

00:09:51.000 We have points, major points of agreement.

00:09:54.000 I would say almost all points of agreement.

00:09:57.000 Perhaps that hasn't been conveyed.

00:09:58.000 The communication, as you know, has been blown to pieces.

00:10:02.000 They're unable to talk to each other.

00:10:04.000 But we've had very strong talks.

00:10:06.000 Mr. Witkoff and Mr. Kushner had them.

00:10:10.000 They went, I would say, perfectly.

00:10:13.000 I would say that if they carry through with that, it'll end that problem, that conflict.

00:10:20.000 And I think it'll end it very, very substantially.

00:10:23.000 It's very funny to me because you realize we have both combatants in this conflict have messaging strategies that do make it difficult to tell what's going on because Trump, he's always ready to make a deal.

00:10:35.000 But as part of his deal making, he's always presenting maximum toughness.

00:10:39.000 So he's doing this, oh, we're negotiating.

00:10:42.000 Also, I'm ready to blow up everything in Iran tomorrow if they don't give me what I want. 1.00

00:10:46.000 And then on the flip side, we know that Iran is a regime full of zealots and radicals. 0.84

00:10:51.000 So they've always had to present maximum hostility when we know that they're actually more accommodating.

00:10:57.000 Remember last summer, they're all like, tomorrow is a day that will be remembered for a thousand years, and then they shoot a bottle rocket that blows up in the desert because they don't want to aggravate us anymore.

00:11:06.000 And so that could easily be happening here where they are negotiating, but they have to deny it.

00:11:12.000 Well, so here he alludes to this basically, his negotiating tactic was we're going to blow up all your infrastructure.

00:11:19.000 Markets don't like that.

00:11:21.000 Of course, Iran doesn't like that.

00:11:23.000 And this is what he believes, at least what he says out loud, led to this five-day pause on any infrastructure hits.

00:11:31.000 Sat 10.

00:11:32.000 Tomorrow morning, sometime, their time, we were expected to blow up their largest electric generating plants that cost over $10 billion to build.

00:11:45.000 It's a very good one.

00:11:46.000 There was no dearth of money.

00:11:48.000 And one shot, it's gone.

00:11:52.000 It collapses.

00:11:54.000 Why would they want that?

00:11:56.000 So they called.

00:11:57.000 I didn't call.

00:11:58.000 They called.

00:11:59.000 They want to make a deal.

00:12:01.000 And we are very willing to make a deal.

00:12:03.000 It's got to be a good deal.

00:12:04.000 And it's got to be no more wars, no more nuclear weapons.

00:12:08.000 They're not going to have nuclear weapons anymore.

00:12:10.000 They're agreeing to that.

00:12:11.000 Any of that stuff, there's no deal.

00:12:14.000 So he gets pressed on the nuclear portion of this SOP-15.

00:12:20.000 So you said there's many points of agreement with Iran right now.

00:12:23.000 What can you give us a thumbs up?

00:12:24.000 Many.

00:12:24.000 Like 15 points.

00:12:26.000 15 points.

00:12:27.000 Iran has said yes to that. 0.85

00:12:28.000 Well, they're not going to have a nuclear weapon.

00:12:30.000 That's number one.

00:12:31.000 That's number one, two, and three.

00:12:33.000 They will never have a nuclear weapon.

00:12:34.000 They said yes to that?

00:12:35.000 They've agreed to that.

00:12:37.000 I'm picturing him having a list of 15, and one, two, and three are all just.

00:12:41.000 Iran will never have a nuclear weapon.

00:12:42.000 Like in a formal treaty.

00:12:44.000 I bet you're right.

00:12:45.000 So I do want to just put a note of caution here.

00:12:48.000 So I was talking with a bunch of folks that are pretty well versed in what's going on in Iran right now.

00:12:54.000 There was a strike by Iranian missiles near a nuclear reactor in Israel.

00:13:02.000 The thought was that this is a warning shot because, listen, even if you get rid of the nukes in Iran and they create a nuclear fallout situation in Israel, that's bad. 0.82

00:13:14.000 And it's an escalation that nobody wants, or at least any sane person doesn't want.

00:13:20.000 So that's one thing you have to be just cautious of.

00:13:24.000 That this thing can, this is why we've always warned about regime change.

00:13:27.000 This is why we've always been circumspect when it comes to foreign interventions in general, but especially in Iran, because this thing can get out of hand very, very, very quickly.

00:13:37.000 And we pray that doesn't happen.

00:13:39.000 But that's something we need to keep an eye on: is that that missile got through the Iron Dome, landed next to a nuclear site in Israel.

00:13:46.000 Secondly, there are some indications and reason to believe that this could be true, is that in the early days of this conflict, Iran shot off a bunch of its 1990s, like its old stock. 0.59

00:13:58.000 And we were shooting off $2 to $4 million missiles to go intercept those.

00:14:03.000 And the thought is that they might have missiles now that are the good ones, the more advanced weapons.

00:14:12.000 We've burnt through a lot of our defensive supply, those really expensive Patriot missiles.

00:14:16.000 So the question is, if that's true, that's obviously concerning.

00:14:22.000 If they have very advanced missiles waiting to deploy once we've burned through our defensive stock, then that would be problematic.

00:14:32.000 So this thing is by no means in the clear, but I would say any note, any hint, any indication of an actual legitimate ceasefire is really good.

00:14:43.000 Now, I don't think this is a full ceasefire.

00:14:45.000 He's saying we're not going to hit your infrastructure.

00:14:48.000 We're not going to hit your energy infrastructure.

00:14:50.000 But those are two things I wanted to caution the audience on.

00:14:53.000 They could hit Israel's nuclear site.

00:14:56.000 That would be very bad.

00:14:57.000 Very, very bad.

00:14:58.000 And two, if it is true that they have advanced weaponry and missiles waiting to deploy when they think that we've depleted our stock, then that would also be very bad.

00:15:10.000 I don't know if you have any idea.

00:15:10.000 I mean, I'm just, you know, big picture.

00:15:12.000 I know we've talked about how this war, we think it could have been sold a little better in advance and since it's broken out.

00:15:19.000 But there are things that have happened that have, you know, really laid out what the reasoning was that went into this.

00:15:24.000 One of them was over the weekend, they shot a missile at Diego Garcia Island, that small island in the Indian Ocean, that is farther away.

00:15:31.000 We thought it was far away enough that Iran could not hit it. 0.92

00:15:35.000 And supposedly they had a cap on how far their missiles would go that fell short of that island.

00:15:40.000 Suddenly they shot a missile that apparently would have hit the island if we didn't shoot it down.

00:15:45.000 And so we know apparently Iran has weapons that were not public to the world, maybe not even public to us.

00:15:51.000 And they're suddenly deploying them.

00:15:53.000 That's certainly an argument in favor of us taking action.

00:15:56.000 Yeah.

00:15:56.000 Listen, I think anybody who tells you Iran was not a threat, I just, you've got to understand that that's probably not true.

00:16:05.000 Okay.

00:16:06.000 Iran has been a threat. 1.00

00:16:07.000 Basically, every country in the world knows that Iran was a threat. 1.00

00:16:12.000 But this thing can still spiral out of control, and we need to pray that it doesn't.

00:16:15.000 Pray for a ceasefire.

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00:17:31.000 I can't imagine having a job in which for the third time in six months, you have to explain to your wife or husband or kids, hey, I didn't get a paycheck today.

00:17:45.000 And the kids looking at you going, well, what did you do?

00:17:49.000 What did you do to not get a paycheck?

00:17:50.000 Did you, were you insubordinate?

00:17:53.000 Did you not show up for work?

00:17:54.000 Did you yell at your boss?

00:17:56.000 Nope.

00:17:57.000 I did everything right.

00:17:59.000 I didn't work for the Department of Homeland Security.

00:18:03.000 That, of course, is Senator Bernie Moreno from the great state of Ohio.

00:18:07.000 He's joining us now.

00:18:08.000 Senator, welcome back to the show.

00:18:11.000 You were at the very center of the floor fight in the Senate over DHS funding, trying to get that agency refunded.

00:18:21.000 Obviously, we're seeing pain across the country at these TSA lines.

00:18:25.000 Tell us about your experience this weekend in the Senate.

00:18:30.000 Well, we obviously were exposing the hypocrisy of the Democrats because what we've discovered through the negotiation process is what they ultimately really want is no more deportations.

00:18:40.000 You know, they're very proud of the fact that they let millions of people into this country legally over the Biden years, and they don't want to see us remove them. 0.98

00:18:47.000 And this includes criminal aliens, murderers, rapists. 0.98

00:18:50.000 You see the death of Americans as a result of these lunatics. 0.99

00:18:54.000 And so what we also did is we said, hey, since we're not paying 260,000 Homeland Security employees, we should withhold our own paychecks, right?

00:19:06.000 By the way, I think we should dock our pay, but I said withhold.

00:19:10.000 And then when it opens, we get the money back.

00:19:13.000 The Democrats blocked it, didn't engage in debate.

00:19:15.000 They literally can't even make this up, said, I object, and ran out of the room and didn't come back.

00:19:22.000 That's unbelievable.

00:19:23.000 And I guess the rational answer is, what's next?

00:19:27.000 This is so dark to me because it does appear that they've just made the calculation.

00:19:33.000 We can damage America as much as we want, and Trump will give in on letting us damage America as much as we want.

00:19:39.000 It's very sickening. 0.97

00:19:40.000 It is beyond sickening. 0.59

00:19:42.000 I mean, think about this.

00:19:43.000 260,000 American families are without a paycheck right now because of the actions of depraved politicians.

00:19:51.000 And they have no problem with the fact that they're getting paid $175,000 a year and guaranteed money.

00:19:57.000 They're not willing to even hold their paycheck.

00:20:00.000 They don't even want to be there over the weekend.

00:20:01.000 Nine Democrats left town and went to a posh fundraiser in California.

00:20:06.000 I mean, you can't even make this stuff up.

00:20:08.000 They didn't even bother to show up for work.

00:20:11.000 And yet, 260,000 Americans who are showing up for work aren't getting paid for their own actions.

00:20:16.000 And by the way, these are not people who set policy.

00:20:18.000 These aren't the people who decided, hey, we should do A, B, or C. You know who those people are?

00:20:23.000 Ironically, the people in that chamber.

00:20:25.000 We made it a crime to enter this country illegally.

00:20:28.000 We made it a crime to overstay your visa.

00:20:30.000 We actually created an agency that said, hey, if people have to be deported, it's up to you.

00:20:36.000 You go get this criminal alien and deport them. 1.00

00:20:39.000 And they're not paying those very people.

00:20:40.000 I mean, this is probably the worst, darkest moment in the Senate since I've been there in the last 15 months.

00:20:46.000 It is truly despicable.

00:20:48.000 You know, you think about it, Senator.

00:20:50.000 It was easier to get through Joe Biden's border than it is to get through a TSA line now.

00:20:56.000 So, Democrats, the way that they do immigration, it's basically let everybody in at the border, zero wait times there, three hours wait time at a domestic airport.

00:21:06.000 It's really that sickening.

00:21:08.000 And then you guys try and say, hey, let's pause our pay.

00:21:10.000 Let's dock our pay. 0.69

00:21:12.000 But let's not dock it.

00:21:13.000 Let's just pause it.

00:21:14.000 And they object to that motion, walk out of the room.

00:21:18.000 They won't even stand up and have a debate. 0.99

00:21:20.000 Total cowards. 0.99

00:21:21.000 I think this is a really despicable moment. 0.97

00:21:24.000 Now, President Trump has said that he's sending ICE agents to the airports to alleviate some of this congestion right now.

00:21:34.000 We've seen images of some of these ICE agents already arriving.

00:21:37.000 Listen, I love our ICE agents, but this does seem like less than ideal.

00:21:42.000 What's the reaction on Capitol Hill to this move from the president?

00:21:45.000 Well, there's concern that the ICE agents aren't out there enforcing immigration laws.

00:21:50.000 And look, we just have to get this thing funded.

00:21:51.000 Let me just point out one piece that's been missing, and it shows you the difference between Republicans and Democrats.

00:21:57.000 And quite frankly, we need to fix.

00:21:59.000 During the Biden years, they let tens of millions of people cross our border with no vetting.

00:22:05.000 In fact, the opposite of vetting.

00:22:06.000 We just said, Welcome.

00:22:07.000 Here's free.

00:22:08.000 Here's free clothes.

00:22:09.000 Here's a free airline ticket.

00:22:11.000 Here's a free phone.

00:22:12.000 Here's a free hotel room.

00:22:13.000 It was like basically these people hit the lottery, right?

00:22:17.000 Republicans did not object to funding Border Patrol when objectively, under any measure, Border Patrol wasn't doing their job because their bosses were telling them to basically ignore immigration law.

00:22:29.000 And here we are, flash forward.

00:22:31.000 Border Patrol is doing an amazing job.

00:22:34.000 They're not letting a single solitary illegal come in this country.

00:22:37.000 ICE is deporting the worst of the worst out of this country.

00:22:40.000 And what's the Democrats' response?

00:22:42.000 To not pay them their paychecks.

00:22:44.000 It's pretty.

00:22:46.000 Yeah.

00:22:46.000 So President Trump put out a truth basically saying he's loath to make a deal, any concessions with Democrats, but he's willing to give them this $5 billion cut off of ICE funding if they'll pass the Save America Act.

00:22:59.000 I think we all know that they're not going to take this, but has there been any movement?

00:23:03.000 Is there any signs that this impasse is going to be corrected?

00:23:09.000 Well, I'm going to do everything in my personal individual power to get DHS funded, get these people's paychecks done.

00:23:17.000 So I'm obviously going to spend the rest of the day today, the rest of the week.

00:23:20.000 If it means not being at home for the Easter recess, I'm absolutely going to object to us adjourning.

00:23:28.000 We should not leave Washington, D.C. until we fund DHS, whatever it takes.

00:23:32.000 Look, the president's the greatest deal maker of all time.

00:23:35.000 He made a brilliant move last summer by fully funding ICE and Border Patrol through the entirety of his presidency.

00:23:44.000 So I think the contours of a deal exist.

00:23:46.000 We just need to get some rational Democrats to the table, make a deal, stop hurting Americans.

00:23:52.000 How about that?

00:23:53.000 How about if we just make that the guidepost?

00:23:55.000 Stop hurting working Americans who are doing their job. 0.96

00:23:59.000 Are there other possible schemes that could come into play if there continues if they continue to stonewall on this?

00:24:06.000 The one that comes to mind, obviously they're banking on three, four-hour TSA lines, making people revolt.

00:24:13.000 But for example, it's very, we actually know, in fact, it's very difficult to bring any sort of bomb on an airplane outside of your suitcase.

00:24:22.000 So could we just basically say you only need to scan 20% of people who are getting on the plane?

00:24:27.000 Or could the president order something like that?

00:24:30.000 Or is that not a risk worth taking?

00:24:32.000 It's not a risk worth taking.

00:24:34.000 It's much more than just TSA that's being funded.

00:24:37.000 This is customs.

00:24:38.000 They inspect packages, Border Patrol, the agents that are truly putting their lives at risk.

00:24:44.000 This is a cybersecurity agency.

00:24:46.000 This is FEMA. 1.00

00:24:47.000 This is Secret Service.

00:24:49.000 This is our Nuclear Threat Assessment Agency, our federal law enforcement training centers.

00:24:53.000 I mean, you just go on and on and on.

00:24:55.000 Homebland investigations, by the way, these are the people that are chasing transnational gangs.

00:25:00.000 So this is the department that was created after 9-11 to keep the homeland safe.

00:25:07.000 I just need your viewers to understand that we have put America at grave, grave risk over political games.

00:25:15.000 This is what must end.

00:25:17.000 And I'm calling on Democrats.

00:25:18.000 Look, we can have policy disputes, but we're not going to have policy disputes while putting the American people in danger.

00:25:24.000 That's a gross negligence of duty.

00:25:26.000 I'll go back to the pay issue.

00:25:28.000 We should not get paid while this is going on.

00:25:31.000 And by the way, the reason they ran out of the chamber is because they didn't want the C-SPAN cameras to capture who was objecting.

00:25:38.000 So they literally said, I object, and then ran out of the chamber like a little child because they didn't want the C-SPAN cameras to capture the objector on film.

00:25:47.000 It's pretty bad.

00:25:48.000 I mean, this is, and if we had an honest media, by the way, there'd be total cowardice.

00:25:52.000 They'd have reporters swarming that senator going, why'd you do that?

00:25:56.000 Like, why would you object?

00:25:57.000 Why would you get paid 175 grand guaranteed money while TSA is TSA agents who make 50, 60 grand aren't getting paid?

00:26:07.000 But of course, we don't have an honest media.

00:26:09.000 Yeah, of course, obviously.

00:26:10.000 And, you know, Senator, I want to just quickly pivot here in the last two minutes we have with you.

00:26:16.000 Here's President Trump on new talks that he announced that he's been having with Iran's leadership, whoever those people are.

00:26:25.000 SOP 5.

00:26:26.000 Round 4 in Ministry says you're not telling the truth when it comes to productive conversations down the world.

00:26:31.000 They're going to have to get themselves better public relations people. 0.95

00:26:35.000 We have had very, very strong talks.

00:26:38.000 We'll see where they lead.

00:26:40.000 We have points, major points of agreement.

00:26:43.000 I would say almost all points of agreement.

00:26:46.000 Perhaps that hasn't been conveyed.

00:26:48.000 The communication, as you know, has been blown to pieces.

00:26:51.000 They're unable to talk to each other.

00:26:53.000 But we've had very strong talks.

00:26:55.000 Mr. Witchkoff and Mr. Kushner had them.

00:26:59.000 They went, I would say, perfectly.

00:27:02.000 I would say that if they carry through with that, it'll end that problem, that conflict.

00:27:09.000 And I think it'll end it very, very substantially.

00:27:12.000 So he has said that there's going to be a five-day ceasefire on any infrastructure or energy.

00:27:19.000 The markets love this.

00:27:20.000 The Dow future shot up to 1,200 immediately upon that statement.

00:27:26.000 Senator Moreno, what do you make of the status of the war in Iran right now?

00:27:31.000 Well, we had to go in.

00:27:32.000 This is 47 years of bad behavior.

00:27:35.000 We could not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon.

00:27:38.000 We have basically obliterated their Navy, their Air Force.

00:27:42.000 Their ballistic missiles program is almost completely wiped out.

00:27:46.000 Their ability to wreak havoc and damage America, hurt Americans, is almost over.

00:27:51.000 I think at the end of the day, President Trump, by rebuilding the military in his first term, by allowing the generals, the real generals, to do their job in his second term, has shown the capabilities of the American military, unlike at any time in history.

00:28:04.000 And I pray every day for the security of our soldiers that are in harm's way and pray for a very, very quick ending to this conflict.

00:28:13.000 And hopefully, President Trump, God willing, gets it done.

00:28:16.000 And I think he will.

00:28:17.000 Is the caucus united in support of the president's war efforts?

00:28:21.000 We absolutely are.

00:28:22.000 We know this was something that had to be done.

00:28:24.000 Even those of us like me who obviously do not want us engaged in conflicts all over the world, it was something that was necessary.

00:28:31.000 But if it's quick, if it's decisive, we get out of there.

00:28:35.000 And I know that's what President Trump wants to do.

00:28:37.000 So fully supportive of his efforts, fully supportive of our military.

00:28:40.000 And thank God every day that we have people like our brave soldiers that are willing to put their lives at risk.

00:28:46.000 Senator Bernie Moreno, not a war hawk here, fully supportive of the efforts here.

00:28:51.000 Thank you, Senator.

00:28:52.000 I know you squeezed us in today.

00:28:54.000 Thank you for the time.

00:28:54.000 We'll talk to you again soon.

00:28:55.000 Thank you, guys.

00:28:56.000 Great conversation with Senator Bernie Moreno.

00:28:59.000 We want to highlight some of what he was talking about.

00:29:01.000 These TSA lines are just insane across the country.

00:29:05.000 It's just, it's weaponized government breakdown.

00:29:08.000 As I mentioned with him, it's really dark what they're doing because Democrats have made the calculation that if they mess things up as much as possible in the country, just hurt ordinary Americans, Trump will give into what they want.

00:29:22.000 And what they want is not a better military.

00:29:25.000 What they want is not more law enforcement.

00:29:26.000 What they want is more illegals invading the country and fewer criminals going back to where they came from. 0.55

00:29:31.000 So Jesse Kelly had a great tweet.

00:29:34.000 He said, Democrats have created three-hour wait times at the airport because they don't want illegal aliens deported.

00:29:40.000 That's your messaging.

00:29:41.000 Put it on repeat.

00:29:42.000 I completely agree.

00:29:43.000 So let me repeat it again.

00:29:44.000 Democrats have created three-hour wait times at the airport because they don't want illegal aliens deported.

00:29:51.000 They care more about foreigners living illegally in this country than they do about Americans who have every right to have their airports function properly.

00:29:59.000 You don't get nice things because they want foreigners to invade this country. 1.00

00:29:59.000 But you don't get that. 1.00

00:30:03.000 I hope that's very clear right now.

00:30:06.000 That's the bottom line.

00:30:07.000 Yeah, it is.

00:30:08.000 All right.

00:30:09.000 So yeah, what I want to talk about, Blake had this great story out of Axios, so we have to get to it.

00:30:14.000 So I want to make time for it. 0.93

00:30:15.000 The Democrat presidential candidates are a bunch of cluster B narcissists. 0.97

00:30:20.000 Yeah, basically. 0.82

00:30:21.000 So this was this came out late in the evening yesterday.

00:30:24.000 So it's basically today's story.

00:30:25.000 This is Axios.

00:30:27.000 Dems eyeing White House lean into their childhood traumas.

00:30:32.000 And so basically, if you look at President Trump, it is such a classic politician in a lot of ways.

00:30:32.000 This is so cool.

00:30:38.000 So when President Trump talks about his family, he's like, oh, my father was a great man, a great businessman.

00:30:43.000 I learned from him.

00:30:44.000 I learned a lot from my other family members.

00:30:46.000 And like, he even, you know, he talks about his brother, even though his brother actually died of alcoholism.

00:30:50.000 He still loves his brother, all of that shines through.

00:30:52.000 And instead, it's this is the first line.

00:30:55.000 Potential 2028 Democrat presidential candidates are introducing themselves to voters in a striking way by documenting their childhood resentments, family chaos, and fights with their parents.

00:31:07.000 And what stands out to me about all of these, by the way, is they talk about three different candidates, and all three of them, I think this matters a lot, all three of them are white guys.

00:31:16.000 And so Josh Shapiro, in his recent book, Where We Keep the Light, Shapiro writes that he had a happy childhood, but at points, an unhappy childhood home.

00:31:26.000 And then it continues that He says his mother, Judy, could be unstable and that he and his siblings believe that, quote, if we were good, we could stop the chaos and the yelling.

00:31:39.000 What?

00:31:41.000 And then JB Pricks talks about Gavin Newsom.

00:31:44.000 Gavin Newsom is even more candid in his at times fraught relationships with both parents, who he says left him caught between two worlds and fully accepted by neither.

00:31:54.000 He really leans into this dyslexia thing that he's now used to pick a fight with the president.

00:31:59.000 And he even says, this is crazy, he recalls being absent at times during his mother's final struggle with cancer until she left him a voicemail in 2002 telling him that he wanted that if he wanted to see her, he had to do so before Thursday because that's going to be my last day on earth.

00:32:14.000 She had arranged for assisted suicide.

00:32:17.000 At that point, Newsom realized he had been hiding from her and hiding from myself because he did not want to face her dying.

00:32:24.000 And so he and his sister then, or he and Hillary, I'm not sure if that's his sister or spouse, but joined their mother on her, yeah, their mother, his sister, on her final day.

00:32:34.000 And that's his pitch.

00:32:36.000 That's the memoir that he would want potential voters to be able to.

00:32:38.000 Well, JB Teresa, who is an heir to the Hyatt fortune, says that, you know, he actually has some legitimate gripes because his dad died of a heart attack, surprise, surprise, when he was seven, and then his mom died of alcoholism when he was a teenager.

00:32:55.000 So, okay, but then he inherits, you know, millions, maybe billions of dollars, and we're still supposed to relate to his struggles.

00:33:03.000 I think this is very telling because it's so Democrat of them, where they're put in the front their traumas, their struggles.

00:33:13.000 They want to be just like you, the average person, the average Joe, out there on the street.

00:33:18.000 And so instead of lifting up, as Trump does, the fact that he had this wonderful, loving family that he's very proud of, they want to bring you into the, you know, break the fourth wall, as it were, of the family and tell you how awful their family members are.

00:33:31.000 And I think it's another thing.

00:33:32.000 It's that the Pression Olympics. 0.99

00:33:34.000 Yeah, it's the Pression Olympics. 0.99

00:33:35.000 The Democrats have kind of built their entire new ideology.

00:33:39.000 It is a resentment-based ideology, a victimhood ideology.

00:33:43.000 And they're very aware: if you're a white male, you're at the absolute bottom of their priority stack. 0.61

00:33:48.000 So if you are black or a woman or gay, you kind of just, you can raise up, and it's just, you're running, hey, I'm this oppressed group. 0.83

00:33:57.000 They don't have anything. 0.97

00:33:58.000 So they just have to say, I'm messed up, just like a bunch of you.

00:34:01.000 And we also know, as we would talk about on this show, we have had this bifurcation in American life politically in terms of basically how mentally unwell you are.

00:34:12.000 Democrat voters are much more likely to say that they have a diagnosed mental illness, that they are depressed, anxious.

00:34:18.000 Honestly, I think a lot of them probably aren't, and they say it because they want that status.

00:34:23.000 You saw this with, this is part of what fueled the trans contagion, is that kids want the attention. 1.00

00:34:28.000 They want to be different.

00:34:29.000 They don't want to be, what do we call it, heteronormative.

00:34:32.000 Heteronormative.

00:34:33.000 They don't want to be, they want to have something that they can complain about online.

00:34:38.000 They want to have a disorder.

00:34:39.000 They want to have a dysfunction.

00:34:40.000 They want to have an anxiety, which is a really sick thing that has been implanted into the public psyche.

00:34:45.000 Ironically, at the very bottom of this Axios article, and this is why it was important you brought up these were three white Democrat men, the one that stands out that could be a potential 2028 candidate for president is New Jersey Senator Corey Booker, who describes a far warmer childhood.

00:35:03.000 He's a black man.

00:35:04.000 So the only one of the four highlighted in this Axios article that doesn't complain about his childhood is the black man. 0.88

00:35:13.000 You know, take of that what you will.

00:35:16.000 But he dedicates a coincidence, but it stands out.

00:35:19.000 Yeah, he dedicates in his upcoming book, Stand, to his mother writing, thank you, mom, for giving me a lifetime of transcendent love.

00:35:27.000 I stand because you and dad so love me.

00:35:31.000 Good for him, to be honest.

00:35:32.000 Like, way to show up, Pritzker, who's, you know, Charlie always affectionately referred to as a guy who was born on third and thought he hit a triple.

00:35:41.000 You know, he called him a Nepo baby, that he would never run for president because he can't run.

00:35:48.000 I mean, Charlie had a lot of good.

00:35:49.000 Charlie had a special place in his heart for the Pritzker family because he's a Chicagoan.

00:35:54.000 So he grew up around these people ruining his state and hated them, actually, loathed them, what they did to his state.

00:36:01.000 And you've got Pritzker, you've got, who are the other three?

00:36:05.000 You've got Gavin Newsom and you got Josh Shapiro all complaining, and yet Corey Booker coming up, coming up, rounding out the floor, saying he had a great childhood.

00:36:14.000 It's just really remarkable and it's bleak because I don't think it foretells good things for your society when your top leaders, their big pitch is, I'm just as messed up as you.

00:36:27.000 Like we've come a long way.

00:36:29.000 It used to be at least you'd have politicians would affect a humble background, even if, okay, you're George W. Bush.

00:36:35.000 You grew up, you know, with this like elite wasp family, but actually I'm a folksy Texan just like you.

00:36:40.000 We've gotten used to that.

00:36:41.000 That's part of American life.

00:36:42.000 But now it's like, can you imagine George W. Bush going up and he's like, and by the way, like, my dad also loved me.

00:36:48.000 Yeah, my dad was abusive and terrible.

00:36:51.000 It'd be messed up.

00:36:52.000 But now that is the society we've chosen.

00:36:56.000 So we are transitioning from winter to spring.

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00:37:11.000 It's my kids.

00:37:12.000 I want to take care of them.

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00:38:45.000 Excited to welcome our next guest because he's got a personal connection that I think is important to highlight to Lieutenant Colonel Brandon Shaw, who was killed in a terrorist attack just, I believe, two weeks ago now.

00:39:01.000 And I want to hear his story.

00:39:03.000 This is Dr. Chase Spears.

00:39:04.000 He's a U.S. Army major, retired.

00:39:07.000 You can find him at Dr. Chase Spears on X, and he's the host of the Finding Your Spine podcast.

00:39:13.000 Welcome to the show, Dr. Chase Spears.

00:39:16.000 Andrew, it's great to be with you.

00:39:17.000 Thanks so much for the invitation.

00:39:19.000 Absolutely.

00:39:19.000 Honored to have you.

00:39:21.000 You knew Lieutenant Colonel Shaw, and you wrote a very touching tribute to him when you realized the news that he had been killed.

00:39:30.000 Tell us what your first reaction was and also how you knew him.

00:39:35.000 Yeah, I was actually at a conference.

00:39:37.000 I was up at Omaha attending an annual conference, the Ciceronian Society.

00:39:42.000 It's a group of Christian scholars and thinkers who get together once a year to fellowship.

00:39:46.000 And it was Thursday evening.

00:39:48.000 We were sitting at a dinner, and I happened to glance out my phone, and I saw that very picture that you're showing on the screen right now.

00:39:54.000 And I immediately recognized it.

00:39:56.000 That's Brandon Shaw.

00:39:57.000 He was my classmate at the U.S. Army's Command and General Staff College from 2018 through 2019.

00:40:04.000 That's a course that roughly half of the majors in the Army get sent to up at Fort Leavenworth.

00:40:09.000 And so we were both just really privileged to be able to attend that.

00:40:13.000 And Brandon was more than just a classmate.

00:40:16.000 He was the section leader.

00:40:18.000 And it was a no-brainer when I observed him in that leadership position.

00:40:22.000 We weren't close.

00:40:23.000 In CGSC, there are some people you get closer to than others.

00:40:26.000 So I want to be open and honest.

00:40:28.000 You know, we weren't tight, but he was someone who led our section incredibly well.

00:40:33.000 It was a no-brainer that he was chosen.

00:40:35.000 He was someone who believed in excellence.

00:40:38.000 He fully embraced the profession of arms.

00:40:41.000 He wanted to be a better soldier himself.

00:40:43.000 He wanted us to be better soldiers.

00:40:45.000 He wanted to get as much out of the course as he could.

00:40:47.000 And he wanted us to get as much out of the course as we could.

00:40:50.000 And so it's been quite some time since we talked, but you never forget the people you train with.

00:40:55.000 And you're showing, of course, the section photo right now.

00:40:59.000 And we go across the army, and Brandon wasn't big into social media, but we knew wherever he was.

00:41:05.000 He was going to be doing great things, inspiring people.

00:41:08.000 And Thursday night, I sit there and I happen to glance at my phone in that dinner and I see his photo.

00:41:14.000 And my first thought was, well, Brandon's not a, he's not an ex at all.

00:41:18.000 I wonder what's going on with him.

00:41:21.000 And before I could even finish that thought, I saw the writing: the victim of the terrorist attack has been identified as Lieutenant Colonel Brandon Shaw.

00:41:31.000 Andrew, my heart raced.

00:41:34.000 I was in, I can't even describe what state I was in.

00:41:39.000 Some might say it was shock, but my heart was in my throat.

00:41:43.000 And I remember just sitting there reading it over and over and over again.

00:41:47.000 And I'd known that there had been an attack earlier in the day, but to see this picture and to know that this man that I had had the privilege of serving with for an 11-month period at the Command and General Staff College, that he was the one who has fallen, it hit in an entirely different way.

00:42:03.000 And I remember my wife looking at me.

00:42:05.000 She could see something was very, very wrong.

00:42:07.000 And she looked at me and said, Are you okay?

00:42:11.000 And I just admitted.

00:42:13.000 I said, no, no, I'm not okay.

00:42:15.000 And I had to get up.

00:42:16.000 I went and found a friend.

00:42:17.000 And I said, I need you to go walk with me.

00:42:20.000 And that began a process of just kind of mourning and thinking and struggling through that I'm still going through right now.

00:42:28.000 You know, it was a small, small, small fractional percentage of what his family is going through.

00:42:35.000 But he took, but he touched a lot of lives across the Army, and mine was one.

00:42:39.000 Well, Dr. Spears, I want to highlight something you wrote.

00:42:42.000 You said at the bottom of your letter reacting to his death, you said, the truth is America's sin of empathy-based immigration and justice policy is a betrayal to all veterans.

00:42:54.000 You go on, but please build out that thought because I think a lot of us relate to it.

00:42:59.000 I feel this so deeply, Andrew, and I've written on this and other forums about what I call the passive betrayal of our global war on terrorism veterans.

00:43:08.000 I served for 20 years.

00:43:10.000 Brandon had served longer than I had.

00:43:12.000 He was approaching retirement himself.

00:43:14.000 I retired roughly two years ago, and he was almost there himself, looking forward to a great life, a well-deserved rest, and spending time with his family and moving on to the next chapter.

00:43:26.000 And I think back to the fact that they sent us for 20 years, Andrew, for 20 years.

00:43:31.000 It was the Bush doctrine, the neocon doctrine of you fight them over there, so you won't have to fight them over here.

00:43:37.000 You leave your families and your loved ones and your lives, and you go fight them over there because that's the trade-off we make.

00:43:42.000 You won't have to fight them over here.

00:43:45.000 And that's what I told myself time and time again: missed birthday after missed birthday after missed anniversary, after years of missed time with my sons growing up with me being deployed or in training for deployment.

00:43:58.000 And meanwhile, we had this empathetic immigration policy that was based in: we must have empathy for these people, we must let them in.

00:44:07.000 And we have a justice system that must let people off early. 0.74

00:44:11.000 This terrorist who shot Brandon rightfully was supposed to be in bars through 2029.

00:44:18.000 What happened?

00:44:19.000 He got off early.

00:44:19.000 A loophole, an empathy-based application of justice that prioritized his feelings and his life circumstance over the reality of the criminal and terrorist sympathizer that he was who immigrated to this nation.

00:44:34.000 He came from Sierra Leone.

00:44:36.000 Did he belong here?

00:44:37.000 Of course he didn't.

00:44:38.000 And it's not the first time we had the shooting in DC.

00:44:42.000 Similar thing.

00:44:43.000 This was a terrorist brought over from Afghanistan. 0.96

00:44:46.000 We fought them over there and then we shiploaded them right over here. 0.81

00:44:50.000 We brought the threat home.

00:44:51.000 And Andrew is a global war on terrorism veteran.

00:44:54.000 I consider it a high betrayal.

00:44:56.000 It's something I've got a really big chip on my shoulder about.

00:45:00.000 Blake.

00:45:01.000 I mean, I just, I don't know that I could put it better than him.

00:45:05.000 It's that we basically the billion, the trillions of dollars we spent, the thousands of lives we lost on missions on missions abroad, where not only did they, frankly, I think, end in failure, but I don't even know that success was possible because they refused to define any real victory.

00:45:27.000 They were just open-ended commitments.

00:45:29.000 They went to Middle America and they said, step up, go abroad. 0.90

00:45:32.000 We need you.

00:45:34.000 By the way, we don't know how this will end in victory.

00:45:37.000 A lot of us in DC are making a lot of money off of this because we have consultancies and think tanks and no skin in the game for us.

00:45:45.000 And then the final betrayal and climax of it is we'll feel better if we take all of the problems we created abroad and we're going to bring them here.

00:45:53.000 And again, we're not going to take the harms onto ourselves.

00:45:56.000 We're going to settle them in your towns. 1.00

00:45:58.000 We're going to make you pay all the externalities for the bad decisions we make.

00:46:02.000 And this just drives it home.

00:46:04.000 But there's tragedies like this that are happening every day.

00:46:06.000 Not all of them are veterans.

00:46:07.000 Some of them are just innocent people who are killed by these migrants or ruined public schools, ruined neighborhoods. 1.00

00:46:14.000 What's your message to politicians when it comes to even legal immigration?

00:46:18.000 Ted Cruz said that his philosophy on immigration is very simple: that legal is good, illegal is bad.

00:46:24.000 Andrew, I can't disagree more.

00:46:26.000 The good kind of immigration is the kind that brings the right people here who want to assimilate, who want to be productive Americans, who want to abide by our ways of life, and who want to perpetuate that.

00:46:36.000 And there are a lot of people who have come in legally who have no business here, who shared nothing in the American values.

00:46:43.000 That's bad.

00:46:43.000 That's bad immigration policy, and it's bad justice policy to let them out over and over again.

00:46:49.000 Brandon should be with us today.

00:46:52.000 But, you know, one good thing is we know his faith, and we don't mourn as those who have no hope.

00:46:57.000 And so there's the one consolation that we have.

00:47:00.000 Amen.

00:47:01.000 Dr. Chase Spears, thank you for joining us and for a tribute to your friend and your fallen comrade there.

00:47:09.000 And we mourn his death, but we know that he is a Christian and he's with the Lord now.

00:47:15.000 God bless you, sir.

00:47:16.000 Thank you for that.

00:47:17.000 Really touching, genuinely.

00:47:18.000 Amen.

00:47:19.000 God bless you, gentlemen.

00:47:20.000 Thank you.

00:47:20.000 God bless you.

00:47:23.000 Before he ever stepped behind a microphone, Charlie understood something important.

00:47:27.000 Leadership begins with learning.

00:47:29.000 He didn't chase a diploma or a title.

00:47:31.000 He chased truth.

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00:47:41.000 Those ideas didn't just inform him.

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00:47:48.000 One of the courses he took was the Genesis story, taught by Hillsdale professor Dr. Justin Jackson.

00:47:53.000 This free online course explores the relationship between God and man, what happens when that relationship is broken, and the path toward reconciliation.

00:48:01.000 It's a real college course, rigorous, thoughtful, and accessible to anyone willing to learn.

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00:48:25.000 Carry it forward.

00:48:29.000 We have Jack Pesobic in the studio.

00:48:31.000 You're in Phoenix.

00:48:32.000 Welcome to Phoenix.

00:48:34.000 It's always good to be here in the man's studio.

00:48:36.000 Always good.

00:48:37.000 It is.

00:48:37.000 It's great to have you.

00:48:38.000 And we wanted to do a quick segment on this because you, why are you in Phoenix, Jack?

00:48:42.000 I am in Phoenix because I am holding an event tonight.

00:48:47.000 I'm not sure how we're branding it because we've had some, we've gone back and forth with the event.

00:48:51.000 But we're doing a TPOSA event tonight at ASU with myself and the lovely and talented Blake Neff.

00:48:57.000 It's going to be something.

00:48:58.000 I don't know why they invited you.

00:48:59.000 I'm not sure either, but we'll see.

00:49:01.000 Very risky, very risky move.

00:49:03.000 But no, I'm excited for you guys both to do this.

00:49:05.000 It's no better way to honor Charlie than to take it right into the campus.

00:49:10.000 I think we're calling.

00:49:11.000 I think it's pick up the mic.

00:49:12.000 I don't know if it's a debate me, you know, brand.

00:49:14.000 I think it's pick up the mic.

00:49:15.000 Pick up the mic.

00:49:16.000 Yeah, I mean, but there will be debates, I'm sure.

00:49:18.000 And Blake will be dropping some historical facts and knowledge, correcting the record on some things.

00:49:25.000 So, excuse me, I want to just, there's also this other brewing controversy.

00:49:30.000 All of a sudden over the weekend, I get all these email inquiries from press outlets saying, please tell us about the other tour, the Democrat tour, that got canceled.

00:49:39.000 Yeah, so they're acting like we had something to do with this, which is really irritating.

00:49:43.000 So yeah, go ahead.

00:49:44.000 Yeah, so there's this other competing tour that is going on, which I didn't even know about, you know, kind of all this.

00:49:52.000 I've been sort of focused on Operation Iran and all this, but this is what I've been smarting up on it, that it's called the U, the UNF America tour.

00:50:01.000 Destiny is part of it.

00:50:03.000 There's another, you know, another group of individuals that are part of it.

00:50:06.000 And originally, it was going to be that both of us were going to be holding outdoor events on ASU's campus at the same time.

00:50:15.000 And so that's one of the reasons that I think that's probably one of the reasons they wanted to call me, get Blake out there, sort of say, hey, we're holding these.

00:50:22.000 It's called bracketing, right?

00:50:23.000 So you're bracketing each other and counter-programming each other, whatever.

00:50:28.000 And maybe some debates happen.

00:50:29.000 Who knows?

00:50:30.000 And then this was interesting because you were getting those media inquiries, but actually what happened last week is something that I think changed this.

00:50:39.000 And that's why we weren't able to promote it the way that I had originally wanted to.

00:50:42.000 We'll still be there.

00:50:43.000 We'll still be holding the event, but our outdoor permit also was not approved by ASU.

00:50:50.000 So they're running around trying to say, oh, you know, turning point canceled and Erica had something to do with it because she was doing it.

00:50:57.000 Because ASU loves us so much.

00:50:59.000 And actually, so what actually happened is ours, I think both were not approved.

00:51:05.000 Both were not approved.

00:51:06.000 But they're going around playing next.

00:51:08.000 So we were able to flex because we're, you know, we don't give up.

00:51:10.000 So we were able to flex and adapt.

00:51:13.000 And we're used to the rules of these things.

00:51:15.000 And now we're doing an indoor event and it's going to be the, you know, it's going to be tonight at six.

00:51:20.000 Well, so I got an inquiry from one of the local papers here going like, did you guys have a hand in canceling their event?

00:51:26.000 And I go, like, this was the statement.

00:51:28.000 No, but they would sure love you to think that we did.

00:51:31.000 I was like, welcome to university bureaucracy.

00:51:34.000 Did they cancel our event?

00:51:35.000 Yes.

00:51:35.000 Did they cancel our event?

00:51:37.000 So anyways, this group, which is, I mean, listen, I don't even want to give them too much publicity because they're being obnoxious and rude and vulgar to get attention.

00:51:47.000 All right.

00:51:48.000 But like, I'm just going to show you.

00:51:49.000 This is them out.

00:51:50.000 They came to the HQ this weekend.

00:51:52.000 Right here.

00:51:53.000 And they were flipping off the memorial picture of Charlie.

00:51:57.000 So show that image.

00:51:58.000 I don't know what image it is.

00:51:59.000 It doesn't have a number on it, guys.

00:52:01.000 There we are.

00:52:01.000 There it is.

00:52:02.000 So that's them.

00:52:04.000 It's just really good people here.

00:52:06.000 The loveliest.

00:52:06.000 Yeah.

00:52:07.000 So Charlie's assassinated in cold blood doing a free speech event on a college campus.

00:52:12.000 And you have the gall to come up and flip off his sign that we have in front of the HQ as a memorial to him.

00:52:18.000 That's the kind of people that we're dealing with. 0.99

00:52:20.000 So when they then accuse us of blocking their event, it's all garbage.

00:52:24.000 We didn't block their event. 0.52

00:52:26.000 I don't even know who these people are.

00:52:27.000 We don't have enough attention to what you're doing to block your event.

00:52:32.000 Okay.

00:52:32.000 Like we don't care enough.

00:52:33.000 Go do your thing.

00:52:35.000 Go, you know, be vulgar on your own time. 0.99

00:52:37.000 We're going to do our thing.

00:52:38.000 And by the way, by the way, I love this because this is the left who has been championing deplatforming and cancel culture for like a decade.

00:52:47.000 And now suddenly they're going, oh no, our event was.

00:52:50.000 I mean, do you have any idea what it's like being conservative?

00:52:53.000 Do you have any idea how Turning Point had to fight and tooth and nail and scrape and scrap what Charlie and Tyler did for so many years just to appear on campus?

00:53:03.000 How many times have we had to go out there and that tables get thrown over and everything?

00:53:07.000 So this is your friendly terrain.

00:53:09.000 It's our story.

00:53:10.000 Where all universities prefer the progressives and you have the gall to think that we have the power on enemy terrain to get your event canceled.

00:53:21.000 That is what we call main character syndrome.

00:53:26.000 Where you think everything revolves around you.

00:53:28.000 We don't think about you.

00:53:29.000 That's the whole point.

00:53:30.000 So anyways.

00:53:31.000 Actually, we were trying to get our event approved, which we weren't able to.

00:53:34.000 So we had to pivot to the big leagues.

00:53:36.000 All right.

00:53:37.000 So here you go.

00:53:38.000 Let's throw up an image.

00:53:39.000 Throw it up again.

00:53:39.000 This is Jack and Blake.

00:53:42.000 They're going to be pick up the mic, right?

00:53:44.000 Throw it up.

00:53:45.000 I got to see Blake.

00:53:46.000 There's Blake now.

00:53:47.000 My photo is weird.

00:53:48.000 It's because Saif needed a headsage and he said, I need a headshot of you.

00:53:52.000 And Sai said, studio, do you have a headshot of me?

00:53:54.000 And they said, no.

00:53:56.000 And so I had to go and hastily shoot a photo of myself against the wall.

00:54:00.000 They shopped it admirably, but I don't exactly.

00:54:02.000 Blake, that looks like a mugshot.

00:54:04.000 Oh, okay.

00:54:05.000 Thanks, man.

00:54:06.000 You're color third person.

00:54:07.000 Your coloring is beautiful.

00:54:08.000 Your skin tone is balanced.

00:54:10.000 Everything looks fantastic.

00:54:12.000 I love it.

00:54:13.000 So this is going to be your first time, Blake, doing what Charlie did, really.

00:54:19.000 I mean, it's a great huge.

00:54:21.000 I love it.

00:54:21.000 It's a huge responsibility.

00:54:23.000 I can say honestly, it's not.

00:54:26.000 You guys know me.

00:54:26.000 I'm a more shy person.

00:54:29.000 I'm more away from the limelight.

00:54:30.000 I like to argue with people in like a Telegram chat with me.

00:54:33.000 Or just like in the office.

00:54:34.000 Or in the office.

00:54:35.000 Yeah.

00:54:35.000 I like small, intimate arrangements.

00:54:37.000 I'm not a guy who wants to stand up in front of, or sit for that matter, in front of 100 people or 1,000 people.

00:54:43.000 But Charlie was like that.

00:54:45.000 Charlie was a guy.

00:54:46.000 He didn't think anything of, oh, 10 million people will see this on Fox News.

00:54:49.000 100 million people will see this on TikTok.

00:54:52.000 He was a guy who wanted to be in the arena because that was his mission to change things.

00:54:56.000 Well, I was happy to help him with that.

00:54:59.000 I was happy.

00:54:59.000 He would say, Blake, what's our good talking point?

00:55:02.000 On the border, on marriage, on anything.

00:55:04.000 I was so happy to help him with that.

00:55:06.000 And because of what he had to say, he changed the world.

00:55:08.000 And as we know, a murderer had to silence him for what he was going to say.

00:55:12.000 And that's why we're talking about it.

00:55:13.000 And I wanted to address that as well, because to say that in, and we'll go into the story more later tonight, but that for the sort of tour that never was six months ago, you would actually help Charlie prepare for that tour with so many arguments and potential comebacks and data points.

00:55:32.000 And Charlie had been going through this like training session of getting ready to go out there and kind of get in the intellectual ring.

00:55:42.000 Yeah, he had the binder.

00:55:43.000 And so now it's just like there's all these debates that never happened.

00:55:48.000 But Blake, you have that, you have that knowledge because you were directly working.

00:55:52.000 I mean, we all talk to Charlie, but you directly work with him on it.

00:55:55.000 And, you know, I feel like with you picking up the mic, it really is that direct tie to what Charlie was planning to do.

00:56:04.000 I mean, I certainly hope so.

00:56:05.000 I hope I am.

00:56:06.000 Not to put too much pressure on.

00:56:08.000 I hope I am worthy of the example.

00:56:10.000 It's all about repetition.

00:56:11.000 I know I am not Charlie's caliber on this.

00:56:16.000 But you'll get better as you do it more.

00:56:18.000 Hopefully.

00:56:18.000 And that's what was, that's what I, I mean, I was, you guys threw me into the, threw me to the wolves talking to a bunch of homeschoolers who visited the other day.

00:56:25.000 I personally just hope to live show.

00:56:26.000 That's what I had to talk about.

00:56:27.000 I said Charlie was a man who he succeeded a lot because he failed a lot.

00:56:32.000 When you see every failure as a chance to learn and get better, that is the secret weapon to becoming a huge force in American life.

00:56:39.000 ASU tonight.

00:56:40.000 Donald Trump.

00:56:40.000 Same way.

00:56:41.000 See you guys there tonight.

00:56:41.000 Pick up the mic at ASU.

00:56:43.000 Blake Neff, Jack Pesobic.

00:56:45.000 Thanks, buddy.

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00:57:47.000 All right, without further ado, we have Harmeet Dylan here at the Justice Department joining us now.

00:57:53.000 There's a big case before the Supreme Court and she's going to explain it all to us.

00:57:57.000 Harmee, it's great to see you.

00:57:58.000 Thanks for having me today.

00:57:59.000 Yeah, please tell us about this case.

00:58:01.000 I've been watching it from afar and it's now oral arguments start today.

00:58:06.000 We had the oral argument.

00:58:08.000 It was actually more than two hours long this morning and I was privileged to be there.

00:58:12.000 I co-authored the United States' brief in this case from the Civil Rights Division.

00:58:16.000 It was argued by one of our co-authors, the Solicitor General, who was an amicus supporting the lower court ruling in the Fifth Circuit.

00:58:24.000 And the name of the case is Watson versus Republican National Committee.

00:58:28.000 The Republican National Committee sued Mississippi over its law that allows ballots to be received and counted up to five business days after the federal election day, which is the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November nationwide.

00:58:44.000 Now, Andrew, as you know and your viewers know, election day now means election weeks, election months in some parts of our country.

00:58:52.000 It's not an election day anymore.

00:58:54.000 And so that's really the issue before the court.

00:58:56.000 Does election day mean the final day that states can receive these ballots is election day?

00:59:02.000 That's what the lower court ruled.

00:59:03.000 We're asking for that to be affirmed.

00:59:06.000 Each of the nine justices, this is unusual.

00:59:08.000 I've sat through many oral arguments.

00:59:09.000 All of the justices asked questions in this case, and it was very lively.

00:59:13.000 First of all, Mississippi's Solicitor General did a great job trying to defend Mississippi law.

00:59:18.000 But I think Paul Clement, the former Solicitor General, he argued for the Republican National Committee, and I think he had the better of the arguments.

00:59:25.000 It's the argument that we're supporting effectively.

00:59:28.000 And then our Solicitor General came in and talked about some of the United States' positions on these issues.

00:59:35.000 And so it's caused chaos now, and a lot of people feel uncertainty and a lack of confidence in the outcome of our elections because you see the results flip.

00:59:46.000 You see certain numbers on election day.

00:59:49.000 And then in some states, like California, they can keep receiving these ballots for weeks after the election.

00:59:56.000 And they don't even, eight states don't even require a postmark.

00:59:59.000 And the Postal Service also tells us these days they don't postmark all the mail.

01:00:03.000 Hermie, just really quick, you said some states don't require a postmark.

01:00:07.000 I didn't even know that.

01:00:08.000 Eight states.

01:00:08.000 Eight states don't require a postmark.

01:00:10.000 And the Postal Service itself says they no longer bother to postmark all the mail.

01:00:15.000 So how do we know that these ballots were duly cast?

01:00:19.000 And secondly, you know, the rest of the world we condemn for being not as efficient and as committed to Republican or democracy form of government as we are.

01:00:29.000 The rest of the world has election results on Election Day itself.

01:00:33.000 Even countries that we consider to be not very civilized do that.

01:00:38.000 We're one of those places where we're, I think, ignoring federal law.

01:00:42.000 So the statutes in question before the court go back to 1845, and there was a vigorous discussion about the history of the Civil War when there were certain unusual procedures put into place to allow proxy voting and battlefield voting and all of that.

01:00:57.000 And we can always have exceptions to our laws, of course.

01:01:00.000 So for example, there's a federal statute that specifically covers overseas voters, and that's one of the statutes that I administer here.

01:01:06.000 It's called UOCAVA.

01:01:08.000 So where the federal government creates certain special rules, that is not an issue.

01:01:12.000 But where states are making up rules that make it looser and looser and looser, and we don't have an election day anymore, that's the problem.

01:01:18.000 And so one other interesting thing to note about this argument, a case came up several times.

01:01:24.000 This is Mississippi, this is not Mississippi's first trip to the court over the date of the election.

01:01:28.000 In 1997, they had a case called Foster versus Love, in which they had an open primary in Mississippi.

01:01:35.000 And if you won the majority in the open primary, including in a federal race, that was the end of it.

01:01:40.000 There was no general election.

01:01:42.000 And in that case, the United States Supreme Court held unanimously in 1997 that that was inconsistent with the very same federal statutes that we're talking about here.

01:01:51.000 There has to be a general election.

01:01:53.000 It has to be on election day.

01:01:54.000 And when you're allowing ballots to keep trickling in for months and weeks afterwards, that's not appropriate.

01:02:00.000 Harmie, do we have good numbers on the scale?

01:02:04.000 Like in a state, what percent or what number of ballots are typically coming in late?

01:02:08.000 And do we have any examples where there's been a very suspiciously high number of these postmarked on election day or no postmark market all ballots?

01:02:17.000 No, I don't think that this case turns on suspiciousness of the behavior or anything, but it does vary.

01:02:23.000 Some states vote entirely by absentee ballot now.

01:02:27.000 There's a couple of states that are more rural in character.

01:02:30.000 There used to be an excuse requirement in states that's been eliminated in many states, particularly during COVID.

01:02:37.000 So, in fact, one of the things that was mentioned during this oral argument is that there may have been a couple of different outliers during the Supreme Court era where this federal law was passed.

01:02:47.000 And using the same kind of doctrinal analysis that the court used in the Bruin decision regarding Second Amendment rights, the argument by the Republican National Committee and the Solicitor General's office arguing our brief was that we should use that kind of textual analysis to look at what the Congress in 1854 meant when it passed this bucket of laws.

01:03:09.000 And it couldn't possibly have meant that you can have absentee balloting trickling in for weeks after the election.

01:03:18.000 That does not provide the finality or certainty that is required.

01:03:21.000 And that's the basis for Congress to have passed these laws in the first place, creating a federal election day for federal elections.

01:03:29.000 But we do see some states where it's almost all absent, where it's all absentee balloting, and then we see some states where the numbers vary.

01:03:36.000 And in many jurisdictions today, after COVID, you can't even go in and cast your ballot in person where those states used to allow it.

01:03:43.000 They have voting centers, and there's all kinds of problems with that.

01:03:46.000 I saw that in person in Arizona, where you walk into a precinct and you print up a ballot, and maybe they had the wrong paper there, or the paper doesn't print correctly, or they haven't loaded the correct poll book, and so on and so forth.

01:03:59.000 So wouldn't it be great if we could just have the finality of people voting on or near the election day, but not after the election day, and have the votes counted quickly?

01:04:10.000 Well, it really does feel like there's two layers to this, as you say.

01:04:13.000 There's the layer of is there actual fraud that this enables, but it's also to make people, to make this system work, people need to feel like it is working.

01:04:21.000 And when you have all these little bits that just make you raise your eyebrow, a ballot can come in after election day.

01:04:27.000 They got to print it out.

01:04:29.000 When everything adds all this friction that does, we both believe make it easier to do fraud.

01:04:35.000 But even if it's not happening, it makes people distrust the process.

01:04:39.000 And that makes them check out.

01:04:41.000 That makes them get more radical in how they approach policies.

01:04:44.000 If you don't want us to think that there's election fraud, then stop doing a bunch of crazy stuff that leads us to believe there could be election fraud.

01:04:51.000 It's very absolutely.

01:04:53.000 I mean, 16 states have these laws that allow ballots to be counted days and weeks after the election.

01:05:00.000 And they're the most populous states in many cases.

01:05:03.000 California, where I used to live, is one.

01:05:05.000 And there are other states like this.

01:05:06.000 And so, you know, you have to wonder and look at those trends and see why is that?

01:05:10.000 Why is it necessary for us to have a three-week extension period for ballots to be received and counted?

01:05:19.000 It doesn't seem necessary, and it does seem inconsistent with the concept of election day.

01:05:24.000 So the justices were very, very, you know, engaged.

01:05:28.000 You could tell where most of them were going with their questions.

01:05:32.000 And it was a rarely do you see an oral argument go on for more than two hours, but literally we had the privilege of seeing three of the top advocates in the country argue this.

01:05:41.000 And I think they all did a good job, but the law seems to support this.

01:05:45.000 So are you thinking we could get the rare 9-0 on a case that is getting any attention?

01:05:52.000 This is not going to be a 9-0.

01:05:53.000 I think I can very confidently predict that.

01:05:55.000 I don't believe in gambling, but I think there's definitely three justices who were skeptical of the government's position being our United States government's position and the Republican National Committee's position.

01:06:10.000 And I think there were several justices who were clearly skeptical of the concept that under Mississippi law, Mississippi says the ballot is properly cast if you put it in the mail on election day, giving no reference to being accepted at the election headquarters, which is what the historical meaning was, that it be in the hands of election officials by a certain date.

01:06:37.000 And so I feel like I could count some of the solid votes to support, but you never know until you see.

01:06:43.000 And I think this is one of those cases where even the justices who might agree on the conclusion may have different paths to get there.

01:06:50.000 Some may not want to go as far as others on this.

01:06:53.000 And there was some spirited questioning as to whether there's something such as a too early deadline for early voting.

01:07:02.000 I mean, that's been an issue that many people have debated.

01:07:04.000 And Justice Alito asked a question about that.

01:07:07.000 And I don't think you need to reach that question to agree that there should definitely be an end point to it.

01:07:13.000 And that should be the federal election day set by Congress for all federal elections.

01:07:17.000 So, yeah.

01:07:18.000 So if the government is successful here, what are the ramifications?

01:07:24.000 What do we get?

01:07:26.000 So there's 16 states that have this post-election day ballot receipt where there are mail ballots.

01:07:32.000 Those would all be inconsistent with federal law and struck down.

01:07:37.000 And that's huge.

01:07:38.000 And so that would mean that there's an election day, which is the last day by which ballots can be received by the government.

01:07:45.000 And now to be determined for the future, is there a too early date?

01:07:51.000 I think there are other kind of things.

01:07:52.000 I mean, you think back to 2020 when we were getting all this Hunter Biden stuff.

01:07:58.000 There was already ballots being cast while that debate was being had at least by part of the population.

01:08:04.000 And part of the population got it completely censored from them.

01:08:07.000 But all of that stuff in the final month of the presidential election, it was like we didn't know how many people had cast their vote before they'd even heard the full information.

01:08:17.000 That's right.

01:08:17.000 Yeah.

01:08:18.000 And, you know, if I can just add one more point.

01:08:21.000 One of the very interesting things that these folks were looking at is Mississippi, technically, you can recall your ballot.

01:08:28.000 So you can put it in the mail, and then you can ask FedEx or you can ask the U.S. Postal Service to not deliver it.

01:08:33.000 And that's a huge problem for Mississippi. 1.00

01:08:35.000 And several of the justices argued about that.

01:08:37.000 So we'll be waiting on the edge of our seats to see when we can get this ruling.

01:08:42.000 It has to come out by May, by June, rather.

01:08:44.000 I have so many other SCOTUS questions for you, Harmeet.

01:08:48.000 The racial gerrymandering question, the birthright citizenship.

01:08:53.000 We've got a lot of stuff pending.

01:08:55.000 Happy to come talk to you about this, Kate.

01:08:57.000 Good.

01:08:57.000 We're going to have to get to it.

01:08:58.000 Harmeet Dylan, you're doing a fantastic job.

01:09:00.000 Thank you for making time for us today after oral arguments.

01:09:04.000 You sat through two hours of them.

01:09:06.000 So very, very good update.

01:09:08.000 Hopefully you're right.

01:09:09.000 Maybe we get a 6-3 here and at least part of the clown show that is our federal elections will be rectified.

01:09:17.000 We certainly can.

01:09:18.000 That would be amazing.

01:09:19.000 Thank you.

01:09:19.000 Harmeet Dylan, thank you so much.

01:09:21.000 We'll talk to you again soon.

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01:10:33.000 All right, Blake, what do you got for us?

01:10:35.000 We got, I mean, we were just speaking in, you know, a few segments ago about U.S. soldiers.

01:10:41.000 They're playing with their lives because of what our leaders have deliberately chosen to do because they bring the world's problems here.

01:10:48.000 They dump the world's problems onto our people because ultimately they hate them.

01:10:52.000 They don't care about them or they actively hate them. 0.54

01:10:54.000 So we have the latest of these killings, illegal immigrants who should not be here just heinously murdering innocent Americans for basically no reason. 1.00

01:11:04.000 The latest one is out of Chicago, a student at Loyola University Chicago, Sheridan Gorman.

01:11:11.000 She was shot and killed while walking with friends along Lake Michigan.

01:11:17.000 And now they say, the authorities say her killer was in the U.S. illegally, which means specifically.

01:11:24.000 When did he come in?

01:11:25.000 I believe he came in, they say, under President Biden, you know, walks across the border, easily could have been turned around, could have been rejected.

01:11:33.000 We did not need to let him in, but he followed the same process that literally millions of other people did because they saw guides on TikTok.

01:11:40.000 They saw guides online that said, come to the U.S., say the right words. 0.96

01:11:44.000 They'll give you a ticket somewhere in the U.S.

01:11:47.000 And you get to live here until your day in court.

01:11:49.000 And even if you blow off that day in court, nobody's going to hunt you down either.

01:11:53.000 And so another psycho, another criminal in the U.S. murdered another innocent American.

01:11:58.000 And this will not be the last story like this we're going to tell because we know there are millions of people like this guy.

01:12:05.000 Yeah.

01:12:05.000 So DHS says Medina Medina came up to her while wearing a mask and armed with a gun, and she attempted to flee.

01:12:15.000 He fired his gun and shot her.

01:12:17.000 Gorman was shot and pronounced dead at the scene.

01:12:23.000 What can you even add to that?

01:12:25.000 So keep in mind, right now, we have Americans in airports across the country waiting hours to get on planes, not because of a software malfunction, not because of a storm.

01:12:35.000 They are waiting because Democrats have said, we are defunding ICE.

01:12:38.000 We are refusing to fund the government, refusing to fund DHS until you guys ease up on deportations.

01:12:47.000 And the people they want to keep from getting deported are people like this guy.

01:12:50.000 They want people like Jose Medina Medina to stay in the United States so that they can put on masks, grab guns, go and hold up women like Sheridan, try to rob them.

01:13:01.000 Their goal long term is to get amnesty for people like this.

01:13:04.000 Amnesty so that they want to give this guy amnesty so that he can get citizenship.

01:13:09.000 And even if he's in prison for this murder, even if he's on death row, remember, Democrats think people in prison should be able to vote.

01:13:15.000 They want to be able to give him the ballot so that he can cast votes for Democrats.

01:13:19.000 And they want the population for the census to get more congressional votes.

01:13:23.000 They want him counting in the census.

01:13:25.000 They think he is more American than Sheridan Gorman.

01:13:28.000 And this, we would be remiss if we didn't remember this gem from 2025.

01:13:33.000 This is Governor J.B. Pritzker, Chicago Lakeside, bragging about how safe his city is.

01:13:38.000 By the way, this is like the one corner of Chicago that he could claim this from.

01:13:41.000 But now he can't because Sheridan Gorman was killed there by a Venezuelan illegal. 1.00

01:13:47.000 Cut 14.

01:13:49.000 Lakefront Path, Lakefront Trail.

01:13:51.000 Absolutely gorgeous.

01:13:55.000 Walking around here, early morning on the South Lake French Trail, Southside.

01:14:03.000 Just gorgeous.

01:14:04.000 Look at that overpass over Lakeshore Drive.

01:14:09.000 Really beautiful.

01:14:10.000 And of course, facilities for everybody and a great right.

01:14:17.000 There's also a photo out there.

01:14:18.000 I don't know if we have it, but Governor Pritzker, he went and he visited a memorial that was, you know, an impromptu memorial that was put up to Alex Purdy and Renee Goode after.

01:14:27.000 So he cares about them.

01:14:28.000 He does not care about a woman. 0.98

01:14:30.000 He hasn't issued a statement about it as far as I know, at least as of this morning.

01:14:33.000 Like, doesn't it's not a priority.

01:14:36.000 It's the narrative.

01:14:37.000 It's not a priority for Democrats. 0.99

01:14:39.000 The priority for Democrats is to make sure that killers like this come into America, stay in America, kill actual Americans. 0.99

01:14:48.000 Not to blackpill, but there's another crazy story. 0.99

01:14:50.000 This one's out of Seattle.

01:14:52.000 And this Seattle man shot and killed an eight-month pregnant Korean-American woman and nearly killed her husband when they were driving to work.

01:14:59.000 And he's been found not guilty by this is at least this guy, as far as I know, is not any illegal.

01:15:08.000 No.

01:15:08.000 He's a homegrown problem that we have.

01:15:10.000 And we shouldn't say found guilty, but not guilty by reason of insanity.

01:15:14.000 It was a plea deal.

01:15:15.000 So the state, I read about this yesterday.

01:15:17.000 This murder happened three years ago.

01:15:19.000 They spent three years evaluating this guy.

01:15:22.000 They were really on the ball about that.

01:15:24.000 And then after three years of waiting, they do a plea deal to say, oh, he's insane.

01:15:29.000 So he gets to go to a mental hospital where years from now, we're 100% guaranteed.

01:15:35.000 Some left-wing NGO is going to give him free representation to argue, oh, that he should be released.

01:15:41.000 He needs to be a free-for-all.

01:15:41.000 Probably government-funded.

01:15:43.000 Yeah, probably a government-funded NGO will go out to argue that that guy should be free again.

01:15:47.000 And this is happening in left-wing jurisdictions across the U.S. Another case just like that one happened in Northern Virginia.

01:15:54.000 It's genuinely frustrating because when you talk to ordinary Americans who only follow the news a bit, you have to describe what the left is doing. 0.97

01:16:04.000 And what they are doing is so insane, so evil, so depraved, so messed up that they will not believe you because you sound nuts. 0.97

01:16:14.000 We saw this at the trans thing. 0.99

01:16:16.000 When you say, oh, yeah, your teachers can be talking to your kids, convince them they're the opposite sex. 1.00

01:16:21.000 They can start putting them on hormones, start referring to them by a new name, a new sex, without telling you. 0.50

01:16:26.000 And if you object to this in some states, they can take those kids away from their parents. 0.88

01:16:31.000 You would tell people about this, and they would think you are a gibbering madman.

01:16:37.000 And it's just like this with crime. 0.99

01:16:39.000 They will think you are a gibbering madman if you say what their priority is every day, which is allowing illegal, allowing foreign, crazy, criminal gang members to come to America and kill you, and then they will move heaven and earth to keep them in the United States. 0.97

01:16:54.000 Or to keep repeat offenders on the streets. 0.99

01:16:56.000 They are.

01:16:57.000 With an insanity plea.

01:16:58.000 By the way, nowhere is it written that society is obligated to keep deranged, insane killers on the street until they die of old age.

01:17:07.000 We are like a, it's like we're building our own funeral pyre as a country.

01:17:13.000 I hope you enjoyed this ending the show on a high note.

01:17:16.000 Hopefully we'll have some positive news tomorrow.

01:17:18.000 We'll see you then.

01:17:22.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - March 23, 2026

Holding America Hostage For Foreign Criminals

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