The Charlie Kirk Show - How a Pastor Should Talk About 2024

Rich Barris joins us with the latest on the latest in the Michigan primary race and why you need to get out and vote early in order to have a chance to impact the outcome of the election. Charlie Kirk is the Founder of Turning Point USA, an organization dedicated to fighting for freedom on college campuses across the country. He is also the Co-Founder of the youth organization, Turnout USA, which is dedicated to educating college students on the importance of voting early and making sure they have access to the ballot box. Rich Barris is the founder of the Public Polling Project and founder of Big Data Poll, which conducts polls and analyzes data to help voters understand the results of the latest primary elections and make sense of what s going on in each of the key contests. He also joins us to talk about the latest news out of Michigan and whether or not the race is still in play in the crucial state of Michigan. Learn how you can protect your wealth with Noble Gold Investments, a company that specializes in gold and physical delivery of precious metals. That's where I buy all of my gold. That is Noble Gold Investing Investments. That s where I invest in all my gold! That is noblegold. Investing in the future of the future and I buy gold! go to noblegoldinvestments.co.investing.co/charliekirk to get 20% off of the sale of your gold and I'll tell you how much I'll be giving you'll be getting in the best deal on the best investment opportunity I can offer you can get in the election season. Thats a deal you can't get any better than that I've got! That's what you're going to get! That's right, it's a deal that's gonna help you win an election day! If you're looking for a better deal, you'll get a better chance at a better day to vote for gold and a better future, better than you can do it, better day at the next one, and I'm not going to be able to watch it, and you'll have a better shot at it, right here's gonna win it! that's what I'm going to tell you that's going to help you, right there, I'm watching it, I'll let you know how it'll help you get your best chance of a better place to vote in the next election, right? I'll send you all that, too!

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, why aren't more pastors speaking about this election?

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00:00:25.000 Rich Barris also joins us with the latest news out of Michigan.

00:00:27.000 And whether or not...

00:00:29.000 Pennsylvania is still in play.

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00:00:32.000 Buckle up, everybody. Here we go.

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00:01:32.000 Okay, everybody. Right now, we are chasing ballots.

00:01:35.000 We have our team out in the streets.

00:01:37.000 And you guys should go vote early, vote now.

00:01:39.000 And then once you vote, your job is not done.

00:01:41.000 That is step one. Go find 10 other people.

00:01:44.000 Go find your neighbor, your nephew, especially the one that is not a high prop voter.

00:01:49.000 The one that's like, I don't know about it.

00:01:51.000 You got to dive into that relationship.

00:01:53.000 Do that work.

00:01:55.000 And especially, especially with an exponent on it.

00:01:58.000 If you live in Arizona, if you live in Georgia, if you live in North Carolina, if you live in Pennsylvania, if you live in Michigan, if you live in Wisconsin, those and Nevada, those seven states, those seven states.

00:02:11.000 Are the ones where you really got to lean in and do the work.

00:02:14.000 Face-to-face conversations.

00:02:16.000 Get your friends out. Okay, joining us now is Rich Barris from the Public Polling Project and founder of Big Data Poll.

00:02:24.000 Rich, welcome to the program. Rich, before we get into your breaking Michigan news, give our audience a sense of the state of the race.

00:02:31.000 Where do things stand right now?

00:02:33.000 Look, if you're a supporter of Donald Trump, you're positive.

00:02:37.000 If you're a supporter of Kamala Harris, you're concerned.

00:02:40.000 And there's a reason for that.

00:02:43.000 The race is trending in Donald Trump's favor.

00:02:45.000 Is it over yet? Absolutely not.

00:02:47.000 But it is trending in his direction.

00:02:49.000 And I think people should think of the race like this.

00:02:51.000 For a year and a half, Donald Trump had a lead on Joe Biden.

00:02:54.000 We also would pull her and others as an alternative in case there was some kind of switcheroo, like they pulled. 0.74

00:03:01.000 And he led Mueller Harris for that entire time.

00:03:06.000 There was no point in which she led and Joe Biden didn't.

00:03:10.000 And then the media did what they did, which was help the Democrats remove Joe Biden and create this, like, you know, artificial enthusiasm for her and try to give her an image makeover. 1.00

00:03:20.000 And the question is whether or not that runs out because it has deflated and now it is on its last legs.

00:03:28.000 There's no way to recreate it.

00:03:29.000 Will it deflate before the election?

00:03:31.000 And, you know, will it obviously...

00:03:33.000 We have more than an election day.

00:03:35.000 And the answer is, it's happening very quickly.

00:03:37.000 So three weeks out, it's trending in your direction.

00:03:41.000 That's what you want, to win an election.

00:03:43.000 Donald Trump is starting to surge earlier than he has in the past.

00:03:47.000 Yes, so Kamala Harris has peaked. 1.00

00:03:50.000 And it will be very hard for her to get back to the high point that she enjoyed in mid-August.

00:03:57.000 Donald Trump has not yet peaked.

00:04:00.000 In fact, he is just beginning an uptick.

00:04:02.000 Is that a fair and objective and impartial analysis, Rich?

00:04:07.000 It is. You know, I look back at the memo that Tony Fabrizio and he's Trump's pollsters.

00:04:12.000 So you always take these things with a grain of salt.

00:04:14.000 But I think back to the memo when Tony sent to the campaign, which obviously the media got, he wanted them to get.

00:04:21.000 And it said that we're going to see, you know, a response bias and an artificial fluff that bolsters Harris's numbers because of the media, whatever you want to call it, Charlie, propaganda, support, push, right?

00:04:35.000 Whatever you want to call it.

00:04:37.000 And then that will fade as we get to election.

00:04:40.000 That is, he, you know, come Wednesday, Thursday after the election, we may look back and say, what Tony said is exactly what happened.

00:04:48.000 Because we have gone through these phases now.

00:04:50.000 And that is not, you know, it's impartial, whether he's Trump's pollster, he's Harris's pollster.

00:04:56.000 And it's important to note that, you know, both sides see the race in the same way.

00:05:00.000 They just spin it in a different direction.

00:05:03.000 Okay, so let's get into your Michigan data.

00:05:05.000 You've just come out of the field there.

00:05:07.000 What did you learn? What did you see?

00:05:09.000 So, Michigan's a very interesting state.

00:05:11.000 When we talk about national numbers with the working class and we talk about these different margins that different candidates enjoy, Michigan's interesting because it's still very white. 0.62

00:05:20.000 Yeah, there are some stubbornly democratic ancestral voting groups, even among whites and older voters that are much more democratic than some of the other Great Lakes states and certainly nationwide overall.

00:05:33.000 And there's a couple of things that Trump has to do in order to win that state.

00:05:37.000 And one of them is break into that group.

00:05:39.000 And he is.

00:05:40.000 So that's one of the...

00:05:43.000 There's a lot of stories in this poll, Charlie, but that's one of them.

00:05:46.000 And the reason why it caught my eye is because I remember Michigan in 2016.

00:05:51.000 And we did have Trump plus one in Michigan in 2016.

00:05:55.000 It was Hillary plus two, plus three, until that final week when those undecided, older white Democratic voters decided they would call them, remember, Reagan Democrats.

00:06:05.000 People used to refer to them as Back then, when they were undecided and they decided, fine, I'm going with Trump.

00:06:12.000 That, coupled with a group that supported Bernie actually backing Trump, put him over and put him over barely.

00:06:19.000 But now, it's that plus some other things that are going on.

00:06:25.000 The biggest movement in Michigan and our poll We know what's going to happen in up.

00:06:32.000 The only question is whether or not there's high turnout, right?

00:06:35.000 And it might mean the Upper Peninsula for folks who aren't familiar with the state.

00:06:40.000 We know he's going to win Southwest Michigan.

00:06:42.000 We know he's going to, you know, route the areas in the central part of the state.

00:06:46.000 It's the Southeastern part of the state where we have the Macomb-Oakland combination.

00:06:50.000 And then, of course, how well is he doing in Monroe?

00:06:53.000 How well is he doing in Macomb?

00:06:55.000 And then Wayne County.

00:06:57.000 Look at the numbers in Wayne County.

00:06:58.000 Charlie, I went back in our poll in 2020, which was Biden plus two, and that's basically what he won by.

00:07:04.000 In our final poll in Michigan, Trump was in the 20s in Wayne County.

00:07:09.000 He wound up getting about 30%.

00:07:11.000 He's in the 30s before you lean undecided voters.

00:07:15.000 What's driving that?

00:07:16.000 It's the same story that we've heard for a long time now.

00:07:20.000 lower propensity voters that are voting that did not vote in 20, and then also young Black men.

00:07:25.000 And I mean, there are other groups, but young Black men are more than two in, or I'm sorry, but Black men in general, period, no matter what age, combined are more than two in 10 for Donald Trump. So what you see in other polls in Michigan, the Quinnipiac poll, which I think was a little too bullish, Charlie.

00:07:43.000 This is much closer, this poll, but it's still a Trump advantage.

00:07:46.000 But Epic MRA, Mitchell Research, you know, these guys have been polling state for years.

00:07:51.000 They see it, and I was wondering whether or not our numbers would be that high with some of these groups.

00:07:56.000 They are. They are.

00:07:58.000 So would you say then, just kind of to square that, Michigan is very much in play and we're seeing a October surge that the Kamala campaign was not expecting from Donald Trump.

00:08:09.000 They thought that Michigan would be wrapped up with a bow on it and they could focus all their resources on advancing in the Sun Belt or closing up Pennsylvania.

00:08:16.000 Is that a fair summary? Yeah, it is.

00:08:18.000 I gotta tell you, Michigan looks like Pennsylvania did a month ago, a month and a half ago, which is, you know what?

00:08:26.000 Trending towards Trump, but still close.

00:08:29.000 Now Pennsylvania just kind of looks, we're in Pennsylvania as well.

00:08:32.000 It kind of looks ugly at this point for her.

00:08:35.000 I'm not saying she cannot turn it around, but it looks ugly.

00:08:37.000 And Michigan is starting to look like Pennsylvania did a month ago.

00:08:42.000 So, you know, Michigan is historically the harder of the three Rust Belt or the Great Lakes states for any Republican to carry.

00:08:50.000 Even Trump, who once carried all three, It was still the one that was the closest.

00:08:54.000 And then in 20, when he lost them, and he narrowly lost all three of them, it was the state that gave Joe Biden the largest margin.

00:09:02.000 So that's why we're really focusing on those two states, because we feel like, honestly, if he buttons up both of those states, it's very difficult to see how he loses, right?

00:09:11.000 So I gotta tell you, even in 2016, when he finally took a lead at the very end of It didn't look like this.

00:09:19.000 I don't know how much time we got, but let me give people the simple equation on how a Republican needs to win.

00:09:25.000 A Republican needs to do well enough, or basically needs to do well enough in Macomb County to almost make Oakland awash because you're going to lose Oakland.

00:09:34.000 And then you have to take your margin in Monroe, which is to the south, all around the Detroit area, and Trump will do very well there, and combine with Macomb, make Oakland County a wash.

00:09:46.000 And then the rest of the state you need to use to offset the margin that Wayne County is going to give the Democrat.

00:09:52.000 But Democrats are supposed to hold Republicans at 30% of the vote in some of these areas, and that's not going on.

00:09:59.000 So even a small shift in the black vote like we are seeing is having a pretty dramatic Kamala isn't gaining in Oakland any more so than Joe Biden did, and she's definitely not making up any ground whatsoever with the working class in Macomb and Monroe, Saginaw and Genesee, all those areas, the Obama-Trump areas, folks.

00:10:19.000 Very important. Biden did well, pulled some of those voters back.

00:10:22.000 She struggled. We're good to go.

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00:11:17.000 Let me read you some good stuff here.

00:11:19.000 This is a really good sign.

00:11:21.000 So in a county that Donald Trump won, 68% to 29%.

00:11:26.000 So pretty remarkable margin there.

00:11:30.000 Yeah, that's by 39 points where he got a net.

00:11:33.000 Wow. He received a net 57,000 votes in 2020.

00:11:38.000 Let me read an email from a listener here.

00:11:40.000 First day of voting in Georgia.

00:11:41.000 Charlie, I just early voted in Cherokee County.

00:11:44.000 I stood in line for two and a half hours.

00:11:46.000 Some of my neighbors are now reporting three hours to vote.

00:11:49.000 Massive, massive turnout today.

00:11:52.000 Was worried there would be political burnout.

00:11:53.000 That is a phenomenal sign, everybody, in Georgia.

00:11:56.000 Let me just tell you right now, that means that there is such pent-up demand.

00:11:59.000 You have three-hour waiting lines on the first day of early voting in a county that Donald Trump won by 39 points.

00:12:06.000 Good, good sign.

00:12:08.000 That means that organically, people are ready to take their country back.

00:12:12.000 Rich, I want to ask a very direct question here that might be a little bit of a sidestep detour.

00:12:16.000 Are you seeing in any of your data in being in the field that Donald Trump is doing significantly worse with evangelical Christians or that they will not show up in the same numbers?

00:12:26.000 Please tell me the truth, good or bad.

00:12:28.000 Yeah, no, not yet.

00:12:31.000 We haven't seen anything like that.

00:12:33.000 I've heard this chatter, but if you look at our poll in Michigan, for instance, which isn't like, in truth, though, there aren't as many in Michigan as there is in Wisconsin or Iowa.

00:12:43.000 And actually, there's quite a few in Ohio.

00:12:45.000 People don't realize it.

00:12:46.000 It often gets overlooked.

00:12:48.000 But, you know, 78% certain to vote right now.

00:12:51.000 We're looking at in the sample.

00:12:54.000 Evangelicals are 82.3%. 0.71

00:12:56.000 He's winning them like 76 to 20.

00:12:58.000 So, and he typically wins them by an even greater margin.

00:13:02.000 But if you look back, Biden was at 26, 27% in our polling in 2020.

00:13:06.000 That didn't materialize.

00:13:07.000 Subgroups, you know, sampling errors for subgroups are higher.

00:13:10.000 So it looks like a fairly normal margin.

00:13:13.000 That we have seen in the past.

00:13:15.000 And there are always more Protestants, the religious in general, tend to tell pollsters that they're more certain to vote than those that were secular.

00:13:24.000 So I've not seen anything out of the norm, but I'll let you know if I do.

00:13:29.000 But so far, I don't see that.

00:13:30.000 I just don't. That's promising to hear, truly, because there's a lot of chatter more than data about Christians that very well might not show up.

00:13:38.000 I think we have sore loser syndrome, Charlie. 0.95

00:13:41.000 I think there's sore loser syndrome. 0.77

00:13:43.000 Yeah, there might be. We heard that in 16, too.

00:13:46.000 Rich, let's just talk about, in closing here, Pennsylvania.

00:13:49.000 What are we looking at here?

00:13:50.000 If Donald Trump wins Pennsylvania, the chances go upwards, as you all know, 95%.

00:13:55.000 How should we think about Pennsylvania?

00:13:58.000 What are we seeing? What are we hearing? Pennsylvania, Rich, break it down for us.

00:14:02.000 Pennsylvania is next. We're in the field in Pennsylvania right now.

00:14:05.000 Let me just give people a little preview of what I think is huge in both Pennsylvania and in Michigan.

00:14:10.000 In the northern Great Lakes states and in mid-Atlantic, Catholics still have a lot of sway.

00:14:16.000 They are truly a swing voting group.

00:14:18.000 Trump won them against Hillary Clinton in 2016.

00:14:21.000 Biden won them by low single digits and in some exit polls, even a single point.

00:14:25.000 And that is a huge deal when you're looking at a state like Pennsylvania, Bucks County, Central and Southern Bucks, wards in Philadelphia.

00:14:33.000 There's lots of places around the state we can get Allegheny as pockets of Irish and Italian ethnicities, and even German Catholics and Germans are the biggest single ethnic subgroup voting block in the state of Pennsylvania.

00:14:47.000 So we could very much see that Joe Biden was doing well with Catholics in 2020 because he wins, you know, an Irish vote that Hillary Clinton didn't win, a working class Italian vote that Hillary Clinton didn't win.

00:14:59.000 And Trump is leading with Catholics right now, and he's leading them by slightly, a little bit more than he was leading Hillary Clinton with.

00:15:06.000 Now I'm comparing, and people should, I always try to be as transparent as possible here.

00:15:12.000 With that number, I'm comparing my poll to the exit polls.

00:15:15.000 Which is kind of apples to oranges.

00:15:17.000 But even from my poll to my poll, from now to 2020, Joe Biden and Donald Trump were basically tied with Catholics going into 2020.

00:15:25.000 And Trump here has basically a 10-point lead with Catholics in Pennsylvania.

00:15:30.000 That is very difficult to overcome.

00:15:33.000 I mean, polls are polls and we get it.

00:15:35.000 But, you know, internally, when we look at some of these subgroups, We're good to go.

00:15:56.000 That margin, of course, public sector unions are still going to back Democrats, which keeps the overall union household margin favorable to Democrats, but it's the margin that matters, and that margin is Joe Biden's margin has evaporated.

00:16:13.000 And I honestly don't know why people are surprised.

00:16:17.000 When they first pulled this switcheroo, you and I talked about this on your show, and we kind of hypothesized that she'll do better in some areas, but worse in others.

00:16:27.000 That's what's happening now.

00:16:28.000 Very good. Rich Barris, thank you so much.

00:16:30.000 Check out Big Data Poll.

00:16:31.000 Let me know what you find out in Pennsylvania.

00:16:32.000 Thank you so much. Anytime, brother.

00:16:34.000 See you soon. Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

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00:17:36.000 Click on the pre-born banner. I want to play a piece of tape here.

00:17:41.000 I saw this over the weekend. It was texted me by a friend of mine, and I loved it.

00:17:45.000 I said, let's get this guy on the show if we can.

00:17:47.000 This guy puts Jesus first, as every pastor should, and every Christian should, and also has the moral clarity to say that we as Christians should fight for what God demands out of us.

00:18:00.000 The moral clarity was phenomenal.

00:18:02.000 Let's play Cut 55 and then we'll welcome our next guest, Johnny Artadennis.

00:18:06.000 Play Cut 55. I saw a pastor this week, very well-known pastor, that said, he tweeted or something, never Trump, this year Harris, always Jesus.

00:18:21.000 I just want you to understand that that is one of the most foolish things I've ever seen. 0.98

00:18:26.000 And here's why. 0.53

00:18:29.000 People have asked me this week if I have opinions politically.

00:18:31.000 I have opinions, a lot of them.

00:18:33.000 I'm not a political commentator.

00:18:36.000 I'm a preacher of the Bible.

00:18:38.000 But certain things politically are more theological than they used to be. 0.97

00:18:42.000 The Democratic Party is a demonic death cult under the power and influence of Satan.

00:18:47.000 To vote for the Democrats is to vote for a platform that is building their platform upon everything God hates. 1.00

00:18:55.000 Mutilation of bodies, the annihilation of babies in the womb, and the sexualization of your children. 0.70

00:19:01.000 That is their calling card. 0.95

00:19:03.000 That is what they want to do.

00:19:05.000 They don't hide that.

00:19:06.000 Johnny Artavanis joins us now.

00:19:08.000 Johnny's the senior pastor at Stonebridge Bible Church.

00:19:10.000 Johnny, welcome to the program. Hey, thanks for having me on, Charlie.

00:19:13.000 Great to be here. And I want to make sure everyone is clear.

00:19:16.000 You should listen to the entire message, because that was only a portion of it.

00:19:19.000 And Johnny went deeper and deeper into saying what the most important thing, of course, is not just voting, but glorifying God in all that we do.

00:19:26.000 Johnny, introduce yourself to our audience.

00:19:28.000 Explain the message that you gave.

00:19:30.000 And I'm curious the response you received.

00:19:32.000 Yeah, well, once again, thanks for having me on introducing myself.

00:19:37.000 I'm the lead pastor of Stonebridge Bible Church in Franklin, Tennessee.

00:19:40.000 I'm a husband and I'm a father.

00:19:43.000 And obviously I didn't anticipate this with the clip going kind of bonkers like it has.

00:19:49.000 But I think as far as what I've been asked often is what is the role of a Christian?

00:19:53.000 What is the role of the church as it relates to politics?

00:19:56.000 And people in my church are asking me for clarity.

00:19:59.000 And one of my chief functions as a pastor is to preach the Word of God.

00:20:03.000 That's the Bible, which is the revelation of reality.

00:20:05.000 It's the ultimate authority in our life.

00:20:07.000 And my main objective week after week is to go verse by verse through the Scripture because I believe the Bible is living and active.

00:20:14.000 Now with that being said, I think there are certain times and certain moments and certain topics where as a shepherd, I want to help my people think through things with a biblical worldview so that they're able to look at the world around them and understand things as they should through a biblical perspective.

00:20:31.000 I'd like to just for a moment maybe mention That one of the chief responsibilities of a Christian, Jesus says in Matthew, you are the salt of the earth.

00:20:42.000 He doesn't say you should be salt or you could be salt or you can be salt.

00:20:45.000 He says you are.

00:20:47.000 And we have to ask ourselves, what does it mean when Jesus says you are the salt and light of the earth?

00:20:52.000 Well, one of the things that salt does is prevent corruption.

00:20:56.000 And we live in a world that is on a fast track of damning corruption.

00:21:01.000 And one of the things that I want to do as a pastor is with a level of conviction, but also with a level of compassion and tenderness, be able to expose that corruption so that people might begin to understand really the world in which we're living.

00:21:16.000 I could go on, but I want to give you an opportunity to interject.

00:21:19.000 No, no. I'm not interrupting for a reason because I agree with everything that you're saying.

00:21:25.000 And salt and light are two things that also change the environment that they come in contact with.

00:21:30.000 And I love how you say that salt prevents corruption from the erosion of sin, which is unfortunately the post-fall, what we're living through.

00:21:41.000 So, Johnny, let's break this forward piece by piece.

00:21:44.000 You said that the Democrat Party has become a death cult, which, of course, I totally agree. 1.00

00:21:49.000 Abortions outside of the DNC, mutilation of children, the glorification of the slaughter of the unborn, amongst many other things.

00:21:57.000 Go into further detail about that.

00:22:00.000 And what was the response you got when you said that from the pulpit?

00:22:04.000 Yeah, as far as going to greater detail, I think, first of all, we're living in a world that is reaping the worldview they have sown.

00:22:13.000 You can't get past the first sentence of the Bible to be confronted with the reality that God is the creator of the heavens and the earth.

00:22:20.000 That's the Bible. That's the most foundational reality in existence, and it's the most foundational reality in the scripture.

00:22:26.000 And because of that, it's the truth that's most attacked.

00:22:29.000 Now, in regards to helping people think through it, because...

00:22:33.000 Our culture has all but eliminated the reality of a creator.

00:22:36.000 We now live in a world where there is no such thing as truth.

00:22:40.000 You know, it's in Toronto.

00:22:41.000 It's an act of covert racism to teach a child that two plus two equals four.

00:22:46.000 And so you've eliminated truth.

00:22:48.000 And this is what the left wants to do more and more is to eliminate that idea.

00:22:52.000 Oprah says, speak your truth.

00:22:54.000 But that contradicts the Christian's mindset because Jesus says he is the truth, not a truth.

00:23:00.000 He's the truth. And he came in John 18 and To bear witness about the truth.

00:23:04.000 And so just starting to think through how we got here, there's no truth.

00:23:07.000 And if there's no truth, there's no level of morality to discern right or wrong.

00:23:11.000 So that's why we're living in a world that seems to be hell bent on growing increasingly evil.

00:23:18.000 You mentioned abortion.

00:23:19.000 I could throw out the stats, but this is an egregious reality in our culture for one main reason.

00:23:26.000 Babies are not cosmic accidents.

00:23:28.000 They're not grown-up germs.

00:23:29.000 They're not just the product of one sexual encounter.

00:23:33.000 Babies are loved by God.

00:23:35.000 Therefore, God hates the murder of those precious babies.

00:23:38.000 And I always want to Add, Charlie, that there are people listening that may have had an abortion and God is a great forgiver of sin.

00:23:44.000 That's why we fall down on our knees before Jesus Christ who paid for sin.

00:23:48.000 But abortion is egregious.

00:23:50.000 People were also asking in my own congregation, what's the role of government?

00:23:55.000 The role of government in Romans 13 is to punish evildoers and protect those who do good.

00:24:01.000 But we're now living in a society and the leftist agenda is to punish those who do good and protect criminals.

00:24:09.000 And so that no longer is fulfilling God's function for government because he made them.

00:24:14.000 And I wanted to help people think through these things because these are not political issues.

00:24:18.000 They're biblical issues. Even if you are going to talk about borders, borders are God's idea in Genesis 11.

00:24:24.000 The people come out of exile, and the first thing that Nehemiah does is rebuild the wall, and he does so with people that have swords strapped to their legs because borders are not unbiblical.

00:24:37.000 They're not unkind. They're God's idea.

00:24:40.000 The leftist agenda is to...

00:24:45.000 Moving further and further towards socialism.

00:24:48.000 But the Bible says he who doesn't work should not eat.

00:24:51.000 And sooner or later, I think it was Margaret Thatcher that says you're going to run out of other people's money to give away.

00:24:57.000 And so all of these different realities...

00:25:01.000 I want to, Charlie, and I hope my heart is heard right in it.

00:25:05.000 I'm not like Mr.

00:25:06.000 Soundbite. I wasn't trying to drop a bomb.

00:25:08.000 I called it demonic because Satan hates what God loves.

00:25:14.000 And God loves the family.

00:25:17.000 And the leftist agenda is to dismantle and destroy the nuclear family with a father, a wife, a father and a wife and a baby's husband, wife, and wants to dismantle that.

00:25:28.000 And so also the murder of kids you've talked about, babies now full term.

00:25:33.000 It is so evil that, you know, part of the pushback I received was, man, this is shocking.

00:25:40.000 And I understand that.

00:25:41.000 And I'm not saying that every person that's ever voted Democrat is demon possessed.

00:25:46.000 That's not what I'm saying.

00:25:47.000 But I am saying if you are a Christian and you are informed of the Democratic agenda, you cannot align yourself with a platform. 0.85

00:25:55.000 That wants to bring drag story hour into the preschool and where you can change your sex behind your back at an elementary school. 1.00

00:26:05.000 And so I wanted to call it for what it is because Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

00:26:10.000 And they take terms like reproductive freedom and use that in lieu of baby slaughter.

00:26:17.000 They use distribution of wealth instead of robbery.

00:26:21.000 That's what Satan does.

00:26:23.000 And so I was trying to use that definition, a demonic death cult, in its proper sense, not because I'm trying to be bombastic, but because I don't know what else you would call the relentless eager slaughter of children, which breaks the heart of God.

00:26:41.000 Proverbs says he hates hands that shed innocent blood.

00:26:44.000 No, and I want to just compliment you, Johnny.

00:26:46.000 Nothing about you comes across as bombastic.

00:26:49.000 In fact, you have a beautiful way about you that I want to try to embody more, which is you could tell your heart.

00:26:55.000 And I want to make sure this is very clear that for Christians, you said something in your speech.

00:27:01.000 As a Christian, if you're better known for your political ideology than your faith, you're also doing it wrong. 0.81

00:27:07.000 Can you please speak to that?

00:27:08.000 Because I want to make sure both sides of your message are adequately represented on this discussion.

00:27:15.000 Yeah. All I mean by that, Charlie, is that our ultimate allegiance is to King Jesus and not to a political party.

00:27:22.000 And I think there's ditches on either side.

00:27:23.000 I would say that the ditch on the left side is the Grand Canyon.

00:27:27.000 But the ditch on the other side is that we've become more of a proponent for a certain political party than we are for people knowing that we belong ultimately to Jesus.

00:27:37.000 There's only hope in Jesus Christ.

00:27:38.000 He can forgive your sins.

00:27:40.000 He can cleanse you from your sin.

00:27:41.000 He offers you hope.

00:27:42.000 And when you die, you can be welcomed into the glory of heaven, not because of what You've done, but because Jesus paid it all.

00:27:49.000 He died for your sin on a cross, and you rose from the grave.

00:27:53.000 And so that should be the message that ultimately Christians are most excited about, not to the degree that they're passive about politics, but that that's their ultimate reality is that my citizenship is in heaven, Philippians 3.20.

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00:29:11.000 you opened your remarks in the clip that we played by gently criticizing another pastor and Who was saying the, you know, the silly thing that he said.

00:29:23.000 Help me understand why so many pastors are falling for that line of thinking.

00:29:29.000 Where does that come from?

00:29:31.000 How did we get here? First of all, I wouldn't have...

00:29:35.000 My initial gut reaction is to say, I have no idea.

00:29:39.000 But then I do have an idea.

00:29:41.000 I think it's first of all because there's a level where people have a misconception of even what voting means.

00:29:47.000 They might not have a favorable viewpoint on Donald Trump, so it's anything but Trump, and that's Clearly what he said in his tweet, never Trump.

00:29:56.000 And they think Trump is, you know, a bad man and he's done this.

00:30:01.000 But I think it's also from a failure to understand that ultimately what you're voting for is a figurehead that represents a coalition of 5,000 people that are going to be in public office.

00:30:11.000 And you're not just voting for a personality, you're voting for these policies that best represent the worldview of the scripture.

00:30:19.000 And so I think, you know, and part of the reason, Charlie, I was so motivated to say something is I think a lot of pastors, they understand their God-given commission to preach the Bible, but as it relates to politics, there might be not necessarily an understanding, And at times I'm probably growing in my fluency there, but he doesn't like Trump.

00:30:40.000 And so he's voting for the opposite of Trump, which would be Kamala.

00:30:43.000 And I think sometimes it's because maybe they think that's more compassionate to the immigrant, which would come from a flawed understanding of God's commission to individuals in the church in contrast to the state.

00:30:54.000 Um, so I think people miss, misunderstand a few of those realities.

00:30:59.000 Yeah, I think that's really well said.

00:31:01.000 So you spoke clearly about it.

00:31:04.000 Let's now talk about the other component.

00:31:06.000 Why is it that a vast majority of Christians and pastors and churches will not speak out at all, will not instruct their congregation with a biblical worldview?

00:31:16.000 To your great credit, you had the courage to step on the pulpit and say things that were biblical, that pleased God but might not have pleased man.

00:31:25.000 What drove you to do that?

00:31:27.000 And why is it that so many other pastors are silent?

00:31:33.000 You know, Charlie, it's been an interesting week for me because I've gotten messages from all over the world, and people were thanking me for my boldness.

00:31:41.000 I didn't even know I was being bold.

00:31:44.000 I thought this was just calling a spade a spade.

00:31:48.000 I think, though, because pastors have written me since then, and I think even then, like, I obviously, I wanted to call it what it is, but...

00:31:56.000 I think that there's a hesitancy because people want to not divide their flock.

00:32:02.000 I think that there's a hesitancy because sometimes people don't want to forfeit influence with maybe people that view things differently.

00:32:09.000 And my rebuttal to that would be is that some people are so afraid of losing influence that they don't influence anybody because they try to toe a line for so long.

00:32:18.000 I think sometimes guys aren't articulate or necessarily they're not equipped to be able to handle the political conversation.

00:32:25.000 And I would just encourage them saying, hey, you don't have to talk politics.

00:32:28.000 You just need to preach the Bible.

00:32:30.000 And where there's that intersection of the political and the spiritual and theological, you need to stand firm on where God has drawn the line in the sand in his precious and authoritative word.

00:32:40.000 And I think they just need to be encouraged.

00:32:43.000 And to be honest, I think the people in their church need to encourage them saying, hey, we want to be able to think and view the world through a biblical lens.

00:32:56.000 So please teach us the Bible.

00:32:57.000 I reference Nehemiah in my sermon on Sunday.

00:33:00.000 And it says in Nehemiah 8.1 that the people came to Ezra and said, teach us the Bible, preach us the word.

00:33:08.000 And I think people are starving for a biblical perspective on the reality that we're currently facing.

00:33:13.000 And I think that's why they should encourage pastors who may be hesitant and fearful.

00:33:19.000 Johnny, thank you for your clarity and your moral courage.

00:33:22.000 I wish more pastors were like you.

00:33:23.000 If we had 5,000 pastors like you, the country would be in a much better place.

00:33:27.000 Johnny, thank you so much. Hey, grateful to be here.

00:33:29.000 Thanks, Charlie. Email us freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:33:32.000 I gotta be honest, guys. If your pastor isn't speaking out like Johnny, you have to confront your pastor.

00:33:36.000 Say, what's this all about? Why don't you say what he says?

00:33:38.000 He puts Jesus first. 0.75

00:33:39.000 He talks about the Democrats being a death cult.

00:33:42.000 You should not go to churches that are not speaking out like how Johnny did.

00:33:46.000 Johnny kept the main thing the main thing.

00:33:48.000 That's the baseline. But if you go to a church that is not doing what Johnny just did, you are being failed.

00:33:55.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - October 16, 2024

How a Pastor Should Talk About 2024

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