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00:00:17.000He joins us for half the show and breaks down just how bad this is, why it gives all of the authority to the wrong people, and really gives us an insider looking at a thread on Twitter through America First Legal that went absolutely viral.
00:00:35.000We also talk about how demographics is destiny.
00:00:38.000We go back in the Wayback Machine to 2013 in the Center for American Progress, and they explain their target list and what they're actually trying to do with mass migration into America.
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00:02:41.000And I think the reason why people are responding so powerfully to that thread on X is because there is a tremendous thirst in this world that we live in filled with lies and psyops and gaslighting.
00:02:55.000And there's a tremendous thirst for straight facts with evidence, which is what we presented.
00:03:01.000This bill is a codification of and a permanent cementing of Joe Biden's disastrous immigration policies and plans for the future.
00:03:17.000So let me explain what I mean by that.
00:03:19.000The first part is a bit more obvious, right?
00:03:21.000Which is that it cements catch and release.
00:03:25.000It cements the invasion levels of migration.
00:03:29.000And its putative selling point, this emergency break that doesn't kick in until well over 2 million illegals isn't actually a break at all.
00:03:39.000Not only does it exempt unaccompanied minors completely from the calculation as to whether or not the break takes effect, and not only does it exempt completely unaccompanied minors from the break itself, but the break that again comes in well past 2 million releases.
00:03:55.000The break doesn't apply if Secretary Mayorkis believes there's any humanitarian concerns whatsoever, which of course, the humanitarian concerns for them is literally anything, any time of day whatsoever at all you can get in.
00:04:11.000And additionally, it also gives you the right to request what's called, this is a very technical term, but it's called withholding or removal, which is another way to not get deported, basically, with an asylum officer, the most liberal members of the entire DHS bureaucracy.
00:04:26.000And it also gives President Biden unilateral authority to terminate and shut down the emergency at any point in time.
00:04:32.000So all of those provisions and many others that we could get into cements a permanent model of invasion-level migration.
00:04:40.000It also is part of that, because the bill continually carves out both unaccompanied minors, so those are illegal aliens 17 and younger, which is a big part of what's driving the gang population in America.
00:04:52.000And it also exempts adults traveling with children from enforcement activities as well.
00:04:58.000And the reason why that's so dangerous is because once a nation establishes, now right now, it's only in the case of certain judicial rulings, for example, with families, that have created problems with deporting families in the past, all of which Trump overcame and defeated through Remain in Mexico, save third agreements, asylum bars, and things we've talked about before on the show.
00:05:22.000But this bill, it cements into law the idea that you can't detain families and you can't detain minors.
00:05:29.000Any nation in the world, any advanced developed nation in the world that has a policy of not deporting adults with minors is a nation that will never be able to be sovereign, will never be able to have a border, will never be able to be independent in any way, because it means you can defeat any future effort at immigration or border control through the importation of minors with adults or traveling alone.
00:05:58.000And that kind of policy means that America would never be free from illegal immigration for the rest of its time.
00:06:07.000Now, when I said it also cements the future parts of his plans, what Biden's plan to do into the future, this is another very important point.
00:06:16.000It's a little bit technical, but I suppose it's why you had me on.
00:06:21.000The whole point of the Trump policy, which was spectacularly successful, was to get aliens out of the country as fast as possible without ever seeing an asylum officer, without ever seeing an immigration judge.
00:06:37.000The whole point, and President Trump established this from the very beginning of his administration, is rejecting the premise that an illegal alien has the right to set foot on U.S. soil and demand a Metloc trial for asylum.
00:06:49.000Because at scale, right, that will always just mean never-ending illegal immigration.
00:06:55.000In other words, you might be able to have that policy if you're the island of St. Helena and you have one person showing up a month.
00:07:01.000But the idea that illegal aliens can show up en masse and demand each their individual mini trial, where if you win, you become a citizen, right, is fatal.
00:07:10.000It's fatal to any nation trying to maintain a status as a nation.
00:07:15.000So the whole Trump policy was get you out of the country before you ever have a chance to get into the immigration legal system that converts illegal aliens into residents and citizens.
00:07:34.000It creates not only the right to immediately see a USAS that's U.S. Citizen of Immigration Services asylum officer, who are the socialists of DHS.
00:07:47.000So when we think of DHS, there's a lot of good guys, a lot of bad guys, right?
00:07:54.000There's a lot of bad people at the DHS doing very bad things who hate people like us.
00:07:58.000Well, among the most radical components in all of DHS are your professional bureaucrats, your deep state at USCIS who work on asylum cases.
00:08:09.000They go into that line of work because they want more illegal aliens to become citizens.
00:08:13.000It gives them the power, this is the key point, it gives these asylum officers the power to grant full asylum rights to illegal aliens.
00:08:21.000Right now, that has to be done, if you're going to do it, through the immigration courts, which are run by DOJ and it's separate and different, and we could have a long conversation about that.
00:08:30.000But it gives these asylum officers the ability to grant instant approvals for full asylum.
00:08:37.000Now, we talk all the time about asylum.
00:08:40.000We always talk about it, but very few people, even educated people, know what that even means.
00:08:46.000What does it mean if you give an illegal alien asylum?
00:08:50.000It means, among other things, one, instantaneously, they have the legal equivalent of permanent resident status.
00:08:59.000In other words, they cannot be removed or deported from this country, even if in many cases they commit a crime.
00:09:06.000They have the status of full permanent residency.
00:09:09.000Within one year, they have a green card.
00:09:13.000And five years after that, they become full voting citizens, which means they get chain migration, they get the ability to sponsor relatives for admission, they have the ability to get Medicare, Social Security, everything, right?
00:09:27.000And another important point, which I didn't mention, is that an asylum recipient has unlimited access to federal welfare, unlimited, because the law thinks of you as a victim of persecution and therefore rolls out the red carpet for you.
00:09:44.000Yeah, how long before those cases even get adjudicated?
00:09:47.000Is there any provision in this bill that would speed up the legal process for these asylum seekers?
00:09:54.000Or are we still looking at like, you know, two, three years out?
00:10:00.000Now, all the people who are being released, of course, and this bill beefs up something called alternative detention, ATD, which any ICE officer will tell you, alternative detention might as well be called stay here for life.
00:10:13.000Once you're out of detention, you're not going to be deported because the time, energy, and resources to find you once you've disappeared into the country are extraordinary.
00:10:24.000I mean, just think about it just this way.
00:10:26.000Imagine you had, say, 500 legal aliens in a border patrol facility on Monday morning.
00:10:30.000To deport those 500 people would take some, but modest effort, and they'd all be right there in that facility.
00:10:38.000And you would line up transportation based on country.
00:10:41.000Imagine the same 500 people are released, and then you have to find them seven years later.
00:10:47.000Imagine being given the assignment of, imagine waking up in the morning and you're told, what's my job today in the government?
00:10:52.000And you say, your job today in the government is to find the 500 legal aliens who were released from border patrol custody seven years ago on Monday morning.
00:11:02.000Could you imagine that being your job?
00:11:03.000I'll just close by saying this, which is that the rapid asylum approvals are one of the worst features of the bill because it should be called making illegal aliens into citizens rapidly.
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00:12:16.000Stephen, we're talking about asylum, right?
00:12:18.000And we're, you know, in law, we say, you know, possession is nine-tenths of the law.
00:12:23.000And it feels like that's kind of what you're talking about.
00:12:26.000The people that have constructed this bill want these illegals in America because they know that once they possess the land, once they're here, it's almost impossible to get them out again.
00:12:37.000It becomes a very, very challenging task.
00:12:43.000The best way to think about this is the Biden administration's endgame, stage one and stage two.
00:12:49.000So stage one was just to release as many legal aliens into the country as possible.
00:12:54.000And this bill codifies that, as we discussed.
00:12:57.000Stage two is something even more spectacularly malicious, which is that they want to convert illegal aliens into citizens.
00:13:11.000And so the way that Republican lawmakers fall for this is they buy into this BS about, well, we just want to give these folks an asylum here.
00:13:25.000And my point is that you don't want to give every human being from planet Earth who sets foot on U.S. soil a trial carried out by radical lefties who are all on the alien side to determine whether that alien gets to become a citizen.
00:13:48.000The goal is: do not pass go, do not collect $200, do not come in, go home, go home, go home.
00:13:54.000That was the core of the whole Trump policy.
00:13:58.000That's what we did that was so historically unprecedentedly effective.
00:14:04.000This bill staffs up a supercharged effort and then creates a new authority that is vested in Majorkis himself to simply look at a legal alien and say, ah, yes, you look like an asylum seeker to me.
00:14:30.000It is by far the most malignant component of this entire bill.
00:14:34.000And it's easy to see how the Democrats working on it figured that Republicans would fall for this because they would say, oh, no, we're just trying to beef up the asylum procedures and hire some more people and give them some more authority.
00:14:47.000The reality is, it is the use of the asylum system to reward illegal immigration with citizenship.
00:14:57.000And it's by far the most nefarious component of this entire bill.
00:15:01.000And I'll just say the last thing on this point is that one of the things that you learn working on immigration policy in the real world is that complexity is the friend of the alien.
00:15:11.000Simplicity is the friend of the deportation law.
00:15:15.000When you have a 400-page bill with 4,000 different rules for every single thing about how it's going to work, those are just 4,000 more ways for an alien to stay in the country.
00:15:27.000If you wanted to actually write a bill to keep illegal aliens out of the country, it would have two provisions.
00:15:32.000Provision one would say no illegal alien can be released.
00:15:50.000The word that comes to mind to me here is discretion.
00:15:53.000Like the power of them is anytime you give discretionary authority to anyone in the system, you're creating an avenue for it to be abused by an immigration judge, by an asylum officer, by someone else.
00:16:05.000You're building an industry who profits off of the exercise of that discretion.
00:16:10.000So this is the, you know, immigration is incredible, like so many things.
00:16:16.000To understand, you have to understand the money to follow the money.
00:16:22.000You have to follow the Chamber of Commerce.
00:16:23.000You have to follow all the people who profit off of unchecked immigration.
00:16:26.000Every grant of discretion then develops an entire cottage industry solely dedicated to attacking the soft points and the weak points in the American political and legal system to exploit that grant of discretion.
00:16:40.000And so you will spend your entire rest of your life trying to shut down every new loophole that has opened up and battling every lunatic left judge in the furthest left precincts of the country that will be constantly engaging in interpretive theories of law in order to get aliens out of custody, out of detention.
00:17:05.000You may or may not be in the next administration if Trump gets re-elected.
00:17:10.000I don't want to put you on the spot in that, but just put yourself in those shoes.
00:17:14.000If this law passed, what will this do to hamstring President Trump if elected?
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00:18:53.000Yeah, you can only deport white Christian males that were Native-born Americans.
00:18:59.000Those are the only acceptable class of people to deport.
00:19:02.000Everyone is American on planet Earth except for Americans.
00:19:07.000Yes, it's basically where we're getting to, honestly.
00:19:10.000I think that's why this bill is evoking such strong emotional response out of so many of us is because it feels like we're the only ones that don't get to speak up for ourselves anymore.
00:19:20.000And I understand that if we had a far lefty on the show, they'd be like, that's just your white privilege talking.
00:19:30.000And come on, let's look at the facts and look at how downtrodden all these people.
00:19:33.000And it's like, guys, we grew up in this country.
00:20:18.000It can be gamed by whichever bleeding heart liberal wants to game it, or more in a more sinister way, wants to replace the American population.
00:20:29.000And that's kind of where I want to turn the conversation to.
00:20:31.000And this is something actually that Elon Musk tweeted about.
00:20:35.000This is how mainstream this conversation is.
00:20:37.000Most successful immigrant, we should say.
00:21:30.000Immigration is changing the political landscape in key states, supporting real immigration reform that contains, quote, a pathway to citizenship for our nation's 11 million undocumented immigrants is the only way to maintain electoral strength in the future, is the only way to maintain electoral strength in the future.
00:21:54.000And I think we're seeing this with how Trump has done better than past Republicans with Hispanic voters, for example, despite being tougher on immigration, which they said was a third rail.
00:22:04.000It's like what Democrats are doing, it's like when they chop down the rainforest and the soil is only good for so long and then it gets exhausted pretty quickly, supposedly.
00:22:15.000You know, they can give amnesty to illegal immigrants, but it's like they're aware that they're actually only going to be a reliable voting block for so long.
00:22:22.000So you need this constant flood, these constant amnesty.
00:22:26.000You need more and more of it because the country's getting bigger to maintain their political fortunes because they see eventually too many of these people are assimilating and they're starting to care more about America than just about whoever will promise them more stuff and making sure all their family members can come in.
00:22:56.000I mean, so we see a big distinction between, for example, like California Mexican immigrants and Texan Mexican immigrants.
00:23:05.000You become part of the culture, at least to some extent, even within one generation, but the kids, even more so.
00:23:12.000Even deeper than that, if you look at Hispanic voters who've moved into really interior America, so if they're in Wyoming, if they're in Ohio, if they're in the Dakotas, I believe, and when you check how these people vote, they vote even more conservative.
00:23:28.000You get to the point where they're assimilated enough to both where they live and just to the country at large that they stop having such a wide divergence.
00:23:38.000And I think that's another reason the left is so interested in keeping the volume high.
00:23:43.000It's not just bringing in new unassimilated people.
00:23:47.000I think they believe the more you have, you're slowing down the assimilation of those who have come before, and you're diluting the basic sense of an American identity.
00:23:58.000So there's less and less for them to assimilate to.
00:24:02.000It's very, there's a huge amount of mendacity to it.
00:24:05.000And I just love that word that they used.
00:24:07.000It's essential to maintain electoral strength.
00:24:10.000They realize this is something with depleting returns unless they are constantly supercharging it.
00:24:48.000Now, yes, there's probably about 20 million people on that list that deserve to be deported, frankly.
00:24:56.000Whether we can ever get to that, you know, we can debate about it.
00:24:59.000You know, let's say that the goal of Trump's admin should be deporting all Biden-era illegals.
00:25:04.000We would still have a massive group of illegal immigrants in this country if we got rid of just Biden-era illegals, right?
00:25:12.000And as Stephen Miller laid out, it's a Herculean effort.
00:25:16.000Once they disperse into the interior, removing them again is a massive undertaking for any government.
00:25:23.000It's much easier to just keep them on that side of the border and never have to actually find them again, process them, and remove them.
00:25:30.000That being said, what you just articulated is really important because if you can flood the zone with enough immigrants that you dilute the essence of what it means to be an American, if you can dilute the culture that is here, the assimilation process then becomes, are you assimilating to what it means to be an American?
00:25:50.000Or are you assimilating to this new sort of bastardized, muddled mix of something that's none of us would recognize, that it is a country that doesn't resemble America?
00:26:00.000So then can you actually move immigrants from the point of being, yeah, we love the Democrats and they give us stuff and to the point of, actually, I want to live in a free country where I can succeed and my children can succeed and that has the rule of law.
00:26:15.000And that transition from sort of being dependent on this Democrat party with the giveaways and the lax rules and lax enforcement to being, actually, I live here and I want this place to succeed and I'm going to actually start voting more in line with the population that lives here already.
00:26:32.000That could then slow down completely or if not ever happen.
00:26:35.000And you might resemble a country that is more like, you know, Peru or something that has struggled with generations of far-left politics.
00:26:49.000I know everybody likes to use that as like a boogeyman, but it's conceivable.
00:26:53.000Let's bring up the other half of this thing.
00:26:56.000So this is Center of American Progress.
00:26:57.000That's a major center for American Progress, major left-wing kind of think tank, also has done media outlet stuff, had a lot of influence on the Obama administration, especially.
00:27:34.000None of them are even considered very, maybe Nevada a bit, but the other two, Colorado and Virginia, not even, no one expects them to go for Trump except in the biggest of landslides.
00:27:45.000Nevada probably won't go for Trump, but if he really dominates, maybe.
00:27:49.000Florida, that is the white pill here, if you want to use that word.
00:27:53.000Florida does show you can have a very diverse state, a very high immigration state, that due to effective on-the-ground political operations and effective messaging, you can actually have it shift to the right overall.
00:28:39.000Texas is the white whale where if they're able to spear it and make it a blue state, all these other states essentially become pointless.
00:28:48.000If you have Texas and California locked down as blue states, presidential elections are essentially non-competitive unless you have a radical revision of the electoral map.
00:28:59.000You would need Pennsylvania and Michigan and Wisconsin to be safe Republican states to make up for something as big as losing Texas.
00:29:08.000And that is why they're so obsessed with making sure the flood continues and especially making sure the flood continues into Texas.
00:29:15.000It's not even tolerable for them for Texas to shut it down and have them still go in through Arizona and California because that means you're just pumping more people into California, already a blue state.
00:29:27.000They want them getting amnesty in Texas.
00:29:30.000Yes, and that's why what Governor Abbott did busting them out was actually, you know, yeah, we all admit it was the lesser of two evils, right?
00:29:41.000They should be deported or at least held on that side of the border, remain in Mexico.
00:29:46.000But at the same time, at the same time, getting them out of Texas is good because you're right.
00:29:51.000If we lose Texas, you will never have a Republican president again until and unless there is a reshaping of the electorate.
00:30:01.000We're talking tectonic shifts in the way people vote.
00:30:04.000And here's the other part that we're not even talking about with this, because the census counts anybody here, not just U.S. citizens, we're still, even if we push them all to California and Arizona or wherever, Blue District, Chicago, New York, you're still getting congressional power and congressional spending being hyper-located in these blue districts that accept the most of these illegal immigrants.
00:30:31.000So there's multi-fronts on this battle, and they're all sort of devastating and destructive and disorienting.
00:30:39.000It's insanity they've gotten away with it for so long.
00:30:42.000It's insanity the Senate GOP is still enabling them.
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00:31:42.000And I think Stephen Miller, just a few minutes ago, really laid out the basics of this, which is you have to reject every attempt to muddle this and make it complex.
00:31:53.000You have to say they're trying to distract you with this 300-page bill that no one understands fully except the most plugged in people, the people every form of complexity is beneficial to D.C.
00:33:10.000And the way that you stop it is you just order it stopped.
00:33:12.000The way you deport people is you deport them.
00:33:15.000And maybe Miller's idea is a good one.
00:33:17.000Maybe we just draft a 10-page bill, something anyone can read, a two-page bill even.
00:33:22.000You draft something anyone can read, and they can look at that and decide, do they like that policy or do they like this 400-page policy that Democrats are promising them is a great idea.
00:33:38.000The fact of the matter is that to your point earlier, this has become politically more tenable for a Republican win here if we hold the line because the problem has become so extreme, right?
00:34:43.000I do think when you have polling numbers and 18%, you're not going to convince that many people that you're actually wanting to do something.
00:34:50.000So I think that just the proximity of the Trump era, where he was tough on this, to Biden's open border crisis, means that we have the leverage.
00:35:01.000And once again, I just, I cannot, and Blake, maybe you could divine this.
00:35:06.000How Senator Lankford goes in with all this polling data, all of this immigration, financial data, and comes out with this stinking garbage heap is beyond me.
00:35:47.000But Lankford, I don't think was perceived as one of the most liberal senators before this, or at least I didn't hear his name brought up like that a lot.
00:35:55.000He represents an incredibly conservative state.
00:35:57.000Yeah, I guess maybe the chatter is that it's like I said at the top.
00:36:01.000I don't really know if it's, it could be, I'm tempted to just think maybe he got circles run around him by Democrats where they, you know, they tell him, oh, you know, this is great because it's got expedited process for asylum seekers and it's got this emergency authority.
00:36:17.000And he thinks, oh, great, I got these great concessions for our cause.
00:36:21.000And they just don't understand what they're trying to sign on the dotted line.