The Charlie Kirk Show - How a Two-Page Bill Could Solve the Border with Stephen Miller

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00:00:02.000 This is Andrew Colvett, executive producer of the Charlie Kirk Show, along with Blake Neff.

00:00:06.000 We're filling in for Charlie today.

00:00:08.000 And we welcome Stephen Miller.

00:00:10.000 Stephen Miller is probably the best, most knowledgeable mind on the right when it comes to immigration.

00:00:17.000 He joins us for half the show and breaks down just how bad this is, why it gives all of the authority to the wrong people, and really gives us an insider looking at a thread on Twitter through America First Legal that went absolutely viral.

00:00:32.000 This is a stinker, folks.

00:00:34.000 Stephen Miller breaks it down. 0.67

00:00:35.000 We also talk about how demographics is destiny.

00:00:38.000 We go back in the Wayback Machine to 2013 in the Center for American Progress, and they explain their target list and what they're actually trying to do with mass migration into America.

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00:01:59.000 This is Andrew Colvett, producer Andrew Colvett with Blake Neff, also a producer on the show.

00:02:05.000 We have the one and only Stephen Miller on the line.

00:02:09.000 Stephen from America First Legal, also one of the best voices in the country when it comes to immigration.

00:02:15.000 You know the ins and outs of it, Stephen, like nobody else that we know of.

00:02:19.000 Your thread on Twitter went absolutely viral from America First Legal.

00:02:24.000 I think it's over a million engagements right now that I'm seeing.

00:02:27.000 You have broken this thing down brilliantly.

00:02:30.000 So thank you for coming on the show.

00:02:32.000 Thank you for taking the time.

00:02:33.000 I'm just going to give you the floor.

00:02:35.000 How bad is this bill?

00:02:38.000 Well, thank you for that introduction.

00:02:40.000 It's great to talk to you today.

00:02:41.000 And I think the reason why people are responding so powerfully to that thread on X is because there is a tremendous thirst in this world that we live in filled with lies and psyops and gaslighting.

00:02:55.000 And there's a tremendous thirst for straight facts with evidence, which is what we presented.

00:03:01.000 This bill is a codification of and a permanent cementing of Joe Biden's disastrous immigration policies and plans for the future.

00:03:17.000 So let me explain what I mean by that.

00:03:19.000 The first part is a bit more obvious, right?

00:03:21.000 Which is that it cements catch and release.

00:03:25.000 It cements the invasion levels of migration. 0.61

00:03:29.000 And its putative selling point, this emergency break that doesn't kick in until well over 2 million illegals isn't actually a break at all.

00:03:39.000 Not only does it exempt unaccompanied minors completely from the calculation as to whether or not the break takes effect, and not only does it exempt completely unaccompanied minors from the break itself, but the break that again comes in well past 2 million releases.

00:03:55.000 The break doesn't apply if Secretary Mayorkis believes there's any humanitarian concerns whatsoever, which of course, the humanitarian concerns for them is literally anything, any time of day whatsoever at all you can get in.

00:04:11.000 And additionally, it also gives you the right to request what's called, this is a very technical term, but it's called withholding or removal, which is another way to not get deported, basically, with an asylum officer, the most liberal members of the entire DHS bureaucracy.

00:04:26.000 And it also gives President Biden unilateral authority to terminate and shut down the emergency at any point in time.

00:04:32.000 So all of those provisions and many others that we could get into cements a permanent model of invasion-level migration.

00:04:40.000 It also is part of that, because the bill continually carves out both unaccompanied minors, so those are illegal aliens 17 and younger, which is a big part of what's driving the gang population in America.

00:04:52.000 And it also exempts adults traveling with children from enforcement activities as well.

00:04:58.000 And the reason why that's so dangerous is because once a nation establishes, now right now, it's only in the case of certain judicial rulings, for example, with families, that have created problems with deporting families in the past, all of which Trump overcame and defeated through Remain in Mexico, save third agreements, asylum bars, and things we've talked about before on the show.

00:05:22.000 But this bill, it cements into law the idea that you can't detain families and you can't detain minors.

00:05:29.000 Any nation in the world, any advanced developed nation in the world that has a policy of not deporting adults with minors is a nation that will never be able to be sovereign, will never be able to have a border, will never be able to be independent in any way, because it means you can defeat any future effort at immigration or border control through the importation of minors with adults or traveling alone.

00:05:58.000 And that kind of policy means that America would never be free from illegal immigration for the rest of its time. 0.94

00:06:07.000 Now, when I said it also cements the future parts of his plans, what Biden's plan to do into the future, this is another very important point.

00:06:16.000 It's a little bit technical, but I suppose it's why you had me on.

00:06:21.000 The whole point of the Trump policy, which was spectacularly successful, was to get aliens out of the country as fast as possible without ever seeing an asylum officer, without ever seeing an immigration judge. 0.83

00:06:37.000 The whole point, and President Trump established this from the very beginning of his administration, is rejecting the premise that an illegal alien has the right to set foot on U.S. soil and demand a Metloc trial for asylum.

00:06:49.000 Because at scale, right, that will always just mean never-ending illegal immigration.

00:06:55.000 In other words, you might be able to have that policy if you're the island of St. Helena and you have one person showing up a month.

00:07:01.000 But the idea that illegal aliens can show up en masse and demand each their individual mini trial, where if you win, you become a citizen, right, is fatal.

00:07:10.000 It's fatal to any nation trying to maintain a status as a nation.

00:07:15.000 So the whole Trump policy was get you out of the country before you ever have a chance to get into the immigration legal system that converts illegal aliens into residents and citizens.

00:07:28.000 This law codifies the exact opposite.

00:07:34.000 It creates not only the right to immediately see a USAS that's U.S. Citizen of Immigration Services asylum officer, who are the socialists of DHS.

00:07:47.000 So when we think of DHS, there's a lot of good guys, a lot of bad guys, right?

00:07:51.000 ICE officers are good guys.

00:07:52.000 Board of Patrol are good guys, right?

00:07:54.000 They're heroes.

00:07:54.000 There's a lot of bad people at the DHS doing very bad things who hate people like us.

00:07:58.000 Well, among the most radical components in all of DHS are your professional bureaucrats, your deep state at USCIS who work on asylum cases.

00:08:09.000 They go into that line of work because they want more illegal aliens to become citizens. 0.99

00:08:13.000 It gives them the power, this is the key point, it gives these asylum officers the power to grant full asylum rights to illegal aliens.

00:08:21.000 Right now, that has to be done, if you're going to do it, through the immigration courts, which are run by DOJ and it's separate and different, and we could have a long conversation about that.

00:08:30.000 But it gives these asylum officers the ability to grant instant approvals for full asylum.

00:08:37.000 Now, we talk all the time about asylum.

00:08:40.000 We always talk about it, but very few people, even educated people, know what that even means.

00:08:46.000 What does it mean if you give an illegal alien asylum?

00:08:50.000 It means, among other things, one, instantaneously, they have the legal equivalent of permanent resident status.

00:08:59.000 In other words, they cannot be removed or deported from this country, even if in many cases they commit a crime.

00:09:06.000 They have the status of full permanent residency.

00:09:09.000 Within one year, they have a green card.

00:09:13.000 And five years after that, they become full voting citizens, which means they get chain migration, they get the ability to sponsor relatives for admission, they have the ability to get Medicare, Social Security, everything, right?

00:09:27.000 And another important point, which I didn't mention, is that an asylum recipient has unlimited access to federal welfare, unlimited, because the law thinks of you as a victim of persecution and therefore rolls out the red carpet for you.

00:09:44.000 Yeah, how long before those cases even get adjudicated?

00:09:47.000 Is there any provision in this bill that would speed up the legal process for these asylum seekers?

00:09:54.000 Or are we still looking at like, you know, two, three years out?

00:09:58.000 Well, see, that's the trick, right?

00:09:59.000 And this is the important point.

00:10:00.000 Now, all the people who are being released, of course, and this bill beefs up something called alternative detention, ATD, which any ICE officer will tell you, alternative detention might as well be called stay here for life.

00:10:13.000 Once you're out of detention, you're not going to be deported because the time, energy, and resources to find you once you've disappeared into the country are extraordinary.

00:10:24.000 I mean, just think about it just this way.

00:10:26.000 Imagine you had, say, 500 legal aliens in a border patrol facility on Monday morning.

00:10:30.000 To deport those 500 people would take some, but modest effort, and they'd all be right there in that facility. 0.98

00:10:38.000 And you would line up transportation based on country.

00:10:41.000 Imagine the same 500 people are released, and then you have to find them seven years later.

00:10:46.000 Do you have any idea?

00:10:47.000 Imagine being given the assignment of, imagine waking up in the morning and you're told, what's my job today in the government?

00:10:52.000 And you say, your job today in the government is to find the 500 legal aliens who were released from border patrol custody seven years ago on Monday morning.

00:11:02.000 Could you imagine that being your job?

00:11:03.000 I'll just close by saying this, which is that the rapid asylum approvals are one of the worst features of the bill because it should be called making illegal aliens into citizens rapidly. 0.94

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00:12:16.000 Stephen, we're talking about asylum, right?

00:12:18.000 And we're, you know, in law, we say, you know, possession is nine-tenths of the law.

00:12:23.000 And it feels like that's kind of what you're talking about.

00:12:26.000 The people that have constructed this bill want these illegals in America because they know that once they possess the land, once they're here, it's almost impossible to get them out again. 0.97

00:12:37.000 It becomes a very, very challenging task.

00:12:39.000 So I want you to keep going on that.

00:12:41.000 By all means, the floor is yours.

00:12:43.000 The best way to think about this is the Biden administration's endgame, stage one and stage two.

00:12:49.000 So stage one was just to release as many legal aliens into the country as possible. 0.94

00:12:54.000 And this bill codifies that, as we discussed.

00:12:57.000 Stage two is something even more spectacularly malicious, which is that they want to convert illegal aliens into citizens. 0.90

00:13:11.000 And so the way that Republican lawmakers fall for this is they buy into this BS about, well, we just want to give these folks an asylum here.

00:13:25.000 And my point is that you don't want to give every human being from planet Earth who sets foot on U.S. soil a trial carried out by radical lefties who are all on the alien side to determine whether that alien gets to become a citizen.

00:13:47.000 You want to deport them.

00:13:48.000 The goal is: do not pass go, do not collect $200, do not come in, go home, go home, go home.

00:13:54.000 That was the core of the whole Trump policy.

00:13:58.000 That's what we did that was so historically unprecedentedly effective.

00:14:04.000 This bill staffs up a supercharged effort and then creates a new authority that is vested in Majorkis himself to simply look at a legal alien and say, ah, yes, you look like an asylum seeker to me.

00:14:18.000 Congratulations.

00:14:19.000 You now have asylum. 0.83

00:14:21.000 Once you have granted that asylum benefit, that alien cannot be deported. 0.88

00:14:26.000 That alien collects welfare. 0.89

00:14:28.000 That alien becomes a citizen.

00:14:30.000 It is by far the most malignant component of this entire bill.

00:14:34.000 And it's easy to see how the Democrats working on it figured that Republicans would fall for this because they would say, oh, no, we're just trying to beef up the asylum procedures and hire some more people and give them some more authority.

00:14:47.000 The reality is, it is the use of the asylum system to reward illegal immigration with citizenship.

00:14:56.000 And that's what this bill does.

00:14:57.000 And it's by far the most nefarious component of this entire bill.

00:15:01.000 And I'll just say the last thing on this point is that one of the things that you learn working on immigration policy in the real world is that complexity is the friend of the alien.

00:15:11.000 Simplicity is the friend of the deportation law. 0.98

00:15:15.000 When you have a 400-page bill with 4,000 different rules for every single thing about how it's going to work, those are just 4,000 more ways for an alien to stay in the country. 1.00

00:15:27.000 If you wanted to actually write a bill to keep illegal aliens out of the country, it would have two provisions. 0.59

00:15:32.000 Provision one would say no illegal alien can be released.

00:15:37.000 All must be detained through removal.

00:15:39.000 Provision two, the president shall have unfettered authority to deport any alien at his or her sole discretion.

00:15:45.000 That's it.

00:15:46.000 Two paragraphs, one page, done.

00:15:50.000 The word that comes to mind to me here is discretion.

00:15:53.000 Like the power of them is anytime you give discretionary authority to anyone in the system, you're creating an avenue for it to be abused by an immigration judge, by an asylum officer, by someone else.

00:16:05.000 You're building an industry who profits off of the exercise of that discretion.

00:16:10.000 So this is the, you know, immigration is incredible, like so many things.

00:16:16.000 To understand, you have to understand the money to follow the money.

00:16:18.000 You have to follow the NGOs.

00:16:19.000 You have to follow the corporations.

00:16:22.000 You have to follow the Chamber of Commerce.

00:16:23.000 You have to follow all the people who profit off of unchecked immigration. 0.96

00:16:26.000 Every grant of discretion then develops an entire cottage industry solely dedicated to attacking the soft points and the weak points in the American political and legal system to exploit that grant of discretion.

00:16:40.000 And so you will spend your entire rest of your life trying to shut down every new loophole that has opened up and battling every lunatic left judge in the furthest left precincts of the country that will be constantly engaging in interpretive theories of law in order to get aliens out of custody, out of detention.

00:17:05.000 You may or may not be in the next administration if Trump gets re-elected.

00:17:10.000 I don't want to put you on the spot in that, but just put yourself in those shoes.

00:17:14.000 If this law passed, what will this do to hamstring President Trump if elected?

00:17:18.000 Well, look, I'll be very clear.

00:17:19.000 I don't care what the hell happens in this world.

00:17:22.000 If President Trump gets re-elected, the border is going to be sealed.

00:17:26.000 The military will be deployed.

00:17:27.000 The National Guard will be activated, and the illegals are going home. 1.00

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00:18:44.000 That'll turn out to be like in invisible ink on the bill.

00:18:48.000 It will say, actually, you can deport U.S. citizens if they protest this bill.

00:18:52.000 The D.C. Circuit will do it.

00:18:53.000 Yeah, you can only deport white Christian males that were Native-born Americans.

00:18:59.000 Those are the only acceptable class of people to deport.

00:19:02.000 Everyone is American on planet Earth except for Americans. 0.98

00:19:07.000 Yes, it's basically where we're getting to, honestly.

00:19:10.000 I think that's why this bill is evoking such strong emotional response out of so many of us is because it feels like we're the only ones that don't get to speak up for ourselves anymore.

00:19:20.000 And I understand that if we had a far lefty on the show, they'd be like, that's just your white privilege talking.

00:19:30.000 And come on, let's look at the facts and look at how downtrodden all these people.

00:19:33.000 And it's like, guys, we grew up in this country.

00:19:36.000 We remember what it was like.

00:19:37.000 You can't take the memories out of my head.

00:19:40.000 You can't take the social cohesion, the shared culture, shared history.

00:19:46.000 And that's not a race thing.

00:19:48.000 Didn't matter if you're black, Hispanic. 0.95

00:19:50.000 Everybody was proud to be a part of this country because it had the rule of law.

00:19:54.000 We were the best in the world.

00:19:55.000 We had Top Gun.

00:19:57.000 Everybody wanted to be a part of it.

00:19:58.000 And now it's like we're just getting taken advantage of. 0.99

00:20:00.000 We're suckers. 0.97

00:20:02.000 And I mean, there is a really insidious agenda here. 0.91

00:20:06.000 It was great having Stephen Miller on, Blake, because he's in the weeds.

00:20:11.000 It's wonky, but it's so important.

00:20:12.000 He's basically saying there's no border security in this.

00:20:15.000 It's all exploitable.

00:20:16.000 It's infinitely complex.

00:20:18.000 It can be gamed by whichever bleeding heart liberal wants to game it, or more in a more sinister way, wants to replace the American population.

00:20:29.000 And that's kind of where I want to turn the conversation to.

00:20:31.000 And this is something actually that Elon Musk tweeted about.

00:20:35.000 This is how mainstream this conversation is.

00:20:37.000 Most successful immigrant, we should say.

00:20:39.000 So our top immigrants are starting. 0.95

00:20:42.000 And Musk is a very pro-immigration, or he's spoken well of immigration in the past.

00:20:45.000 And now he's kind of raising his eyebrows thinking, wait, what are these people trying to do?

00:20:51.000 He's like retweeting Mike Johnson right now.

00:20:55.000 But over the weekend, Musk actually went kind of nuclear on this Senate bill and also a replacement theory, basically.

00:21:03.000 And it's not a theory.

00:21:05.000 It's not a boogeyman.

00:21:06.000 It's not racial or anything like that.

00:21:08.000 And I want to just make sure everybody gets the conversation right at the jump.

00:21:12.000 This is simply replacing Native born Americans, black, white, Hispanic, Asian, what have you, with a new crop of voters. 0.81

00:21:19.000 And it is about a permanent majority for the Democrats.

00:21:23.000 This is from the Center for American Progress in 2013.

00:21:27.000 This is 2013, April 8th, 2013.

00:21:30.000 Immigration is changing the political landscape in key states, supporting real immigration reform that contains, quote, a pathway to citizenship for our nation's 11 million undocumented immigrants is the only way to maintain electoral strength in the future, is the only way to maintain electoral strength in the future.

00:21:51.000 That word there is key, maintain.

00:21:54.000 And I think we're seeing this with how Trump has done better than past Republicans with Hispanic voters, for example, despite being tougher on immigration, which they said was a third rail.

00:22:04.000 It's like what Democrats are doing, it's like when they chop down the rainforest and the soil is only good for so long and then it gets exhausted pretty quickly, supposedly.

00:22:13.000 And it's like that.

00:22:15.000 You know, they can give amnesty to illegal immigrants, but it's like they're aware that they're actually only going to be a reliable voting block for so long.

00:22:22.000 So you need this constant flood, these constant amnesty.

00:22:26.000 You need more and more of it because the country's getting bigger to maintain their political fortunes because they see eventually too many of these people are assimilating and they're starting to care more about America than just about whoever will promise them more stuff and making sure all their family members can come in.

00:22:44.000 That's a great point, Blake.

00:22:45.000 Yeah, slash and burn farming for America.

00:22:48.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:22:49.000 Well, and in the meantime, it just gets more crowded, more filthy, more expensive, and it's a real problem.

00:22:55.000 But you're right.

00:22:56.000 I mean, so we see a big distinction between, for example, like California Mexican immigrants and Texan Mexican immigrants.

00:23:05.000 You become part of the culture, at least to some extent, even within one generation, but the kids, even more so.

00:23:12.000 Even deeper than that, if you look at Hispanic voters who've moved into really interior America, so if they're in Wyoming, if they're in Ohio, if they're in the Dakotas, I believe, and when you check how these people vote, they vote even more conservative. 0.70

00:23:28.000 You get to the point where they're assimilated enough to both where they live and just to the country at large that they stop having such a wide divergence.

00:23:38.000 And I think that's another reason the left is so interested in keeping the volume high.

00:23:43.000 It's not just bringing in new unassimilated people.

00:23:47.000 I think they believe the more you have, you're slowing down the assimilation of those who have come before, and you're diluting the basic sense of an American identity.

00:23:58.000 So there's less and less for them to assimilate to.

00:24:02.000 It's very, there's a huge amount of mendacity to it.

00:24:05.000 And I just love that word that they used.

00:24:07.000 It's essential to maintain electoral strength.

00:24:10.000 They realize this is something with depleting returns unless they are constantly supercharging it.

00:24:17.000 But I love that point, Blake.

00:24:20.000 I love that point because what you're so I've heard it described like this.

00:24:24.000 Actually, it was Chris Buzzkirk, the publisher of the American Greatness, who was the first one to use this example to me.

00:24:30.000 He said, it's like a meal.

00:24:33.000 America has had a very big meal.

00:24:36.000 This is like Thanksgiving times 10, right?

00:24:39.000 We have absorbed the largest movement of humanity in the history of the world.

00:24:45.000 And we need time to digest it.

00:24:48.000 Now, yes, there's probably about 20 million people on that list that deserve to be deported, frankly.

00:24:56.000 Whether we can ever get to that, you know, we can debate about it.

00:24:59.000 You know, let's say that the goal of Trump's admin should be deporting all Biden-era illegals. 0.94

00:25:04.000 We would still have a massive group of illegal immigrants in this country if we got rid of just Biden-era illegals, right? 0.99

00:25:12.000 And as Stephen Miller laid out, it's a Herculean effort.

00:25:16.000 Once they disperse into the interior, removing them again is a massive undertaking for any government.

00:25:23.000 It's much easier to just keep them on that side of the border and never have to actually find them again, process them, and remove them.

00:25:30.000 That being said, what you just articulated is really important because if you can flood the zone with enough immigrants that you dilute the essence of what it means to be an American, if you can dilute the culture that is here, the assimilation process then becomes, are you assimilating to what it means to be an American? 0.91

00:25:50.000 Or are you assimilating to this new sort of bastardized, muddled mix of something that's none of us would recognize, that it is a country that doesn't resemble America?

00:26:00.000 So then can you actually move immigrants from the point of being, yeah, we love the Democrats and they give us stuff and to the point of, actually, I want to live in a free country where I can succeed and my children can succeed and that has the rule of law.

00:26:15.000 And that transition from sort of being dependent on this Democrat party with the giveaways and the lax rules and lax enforcement to being, actually, I live here and I want this place to succeed and I'm going to actually start voting more in line with the population that lives here already.

00:26:32.000 That could then slow down completely or if not ever happen.

00:26:35.000 And you might resemble a country that is more like, you know, Peru or something that has struggled with generations of far-left politics.

00:26:47.000 Venezuela even is not off the board.

00:26:49.000 I know everybody likes to use that as like a boogeyman, but it's conceivable.

00:26:53.000 Let's bring up the other half of this thing.

00:26:56.000 So this is Center of American Progress.

00:26:57.000 That's a major center for American Progress, major left-wing kind of think tank, also has done media outlet stuff, had a lot of influence on the Obama administration, especially.

00:27:07.000 This is them in 2013.

00:27:08.000 So this is the same post they made before.

00:27:10.000 Immigration is changing the political landscape in key states.

00:27:13.000 They say here, demographics is destiny.

00:27:16.000 The past, California, the present.

00:27:19.000 They have Florida, Colorado, Nevada, Virginia.

00:27:22.000 You'll know three of those four states were states that voted for George W. Bush in 2004.

00:27:29.000 And Colorado, Nevada, Virginia.

00:27:32.000 Those are now solidly blue states.

00:27:34.000 None of them are even considered very, maybe Nevada a bit, but the other two, Colorado and Virginia, not even, no one expects them to go for Trump except in the biggest of landslides.

00:27:45.000 Nevada probably won't go for Trump, but if he really dominates, maybe.

00:27:49.000 Florida, that is the white pill here, if you want to use that word.

00:27:53.000 Florida does show you can have a very diverse state, a very high immigration state, that due to effective on-the-ground political operations and effective messaging, you can actually have it shift to the right overall.

00:28:06.000 And then you see the future.

00:28:08.000 They have Arizona, which had been Republican every election for ages and then suddenly goes blue.

00:28:14.000 2020 is now a very competitive state.

00:28:17.000 North Carolina, very solid state back in the George W. Bush days, voted for Obama and now was back in the GOP column, but very narrowly.

00:28:28.000 And then they say, future long term.

00:28:30.000 This is again, 2013.

00:28:31.000 They're writing this.

00:28:32.000 Georgia, Texas.

00:28:34.000 Georgia goes blue for the first time in ages last election.

00:28:38.000 And Texas is the big one.

00:28:39.000 Texas is the white whale where if they're able to spear it and make it a blue state, all these other states essentially become pointless.

00:28:48.000 If you have Texas and California locked down as blue states, presidential elections are essentially non-competitive unless you have a radical revision of the electoral map.

00:28:59.000 You would need Pennsylvania and Michigan and Wisconsin to be safe Republican states to make up for something as big as losing Texas.

00:29:08.000 And that is why they're so obsessed with making sure the flood continues and especially making sure the flood continues into Texas.

00:29:15.000 It's not even tolerable for them for Texas to shut it down and have them still go in through Arizona and California because that means you're just pumping more people into California, already a blue state.

00:29:25.000 They want them in Texas.

00:29:27.000 They want them getting amnesty in Texas.

00:29:30.000 Yes, and that's why what Governor Abbott did busting them out was actually, you know, yeah, we all admit it was the lesser of two evils, right?

00:29:39.000 They're still in the country.

00:29:40.000 They shouldn't be here.

00:29:41.000 They should be deported or at least held on that side of the border, remain in Mexico. 1.00

00:29:46.000 But at the same time, at the same time, getting them out of Texas is good because you're right.

00:29:51.000 If we lose Texas, you will never have a Republican president again until and unless there is a reshaping of the electorate.

00:30:01.000 We're talking tectonic shifts in the way people vote.

00:30:04.000 And here's the other part that we're not even talking about with this, because the census counts anybody here, not just U.S. citizens, we're still, even if we push them all to California and Arizona or wherever, Blue District, Chicago, New York, you're still getting congressional power and congressional spending being hyper-located in these blue districts that accept the most of these illegal immigrants.

00:30:31.000 So there's multi-fronts on this battle, and they're all sort of devastating and destructive and disorienting.

00:30:38.000 It's insanity what they've done.

00:30:39.000 It's insanity they've gotten away with it for so long.

00:30:42.000 It's insanity the Senate GOP is still enabling them.

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00:31:25.000 What will the messaging be for 2024?

00:31:29.000 Assuming this doesn't pass, which so far Republicans in the House have made it look like it won't.

00:31:33.000 How do we handle this as a political gambit by the left, by the Uniparty, whichever term you want to use?

00:31:40.000 How do you combat this?

00:31:42.000 And I think Stephen Miller, just a few minutes ago, really laid out the basics of this, which is you have to reject every attempt to muddle this and make it complex.

00:31:53.000 You have to say they're trying to distract you with this 300-page bill that no one understands fully except the most plugged in people, the people every form of complexity is beneficial to D.C.

00:32:07.000 It's beneficial to the powerful.

00:32:09.000 It's beneficial to those who are profiting off the current system.

00:32:12.000 And you have to counter this with radical simplicity.

00:32:15.000 You say there is a flood at the border.

00:32:17.000 We will stop it.

00:32:18.000 How do you stop it?

00:32:19.000 By ordering it stopped.

00:32:20.000 You stop admitting people.

00:32:22.000 You stop admitting the flood.

00:32:23.000 And you can just, I think, I think the scale of the Biden flood has made this more politically tenable.

00:32:30.000 I think when it was lower in scale, people are more prone to being pressured where, oh, there's these people.

00:32:37.000 They're very desperate.

00:32:38.000 They're very sad.

00:32:39.000 Look at this crying child.

00:32:41.000 And that works if it doesn't seem like an emergency.

00:32:45.000 But when you're having every big city in the U.S., literally it's turning people out of shelters.

00:32:51.000 They're converting schools into shelters for migrants.

00:32:54.000 They're shutting down rec centers to hold migrants. 1.00

00:32:56.000 There's homeless people in the streets all over the place.

00:33:00.000 And more buses are coming and more buses.

00:33:02.000 It makes it so a lot more people are going to respond positively to this is a choice by the Biden administration.

00:33:09.000 We will stop it.

00:33:10.000 And the way that you stop it is you just order it stopped.

00:33:12.000 The way you deport people is you deport them.

00:33:15.000 And maybe Miller's idea is a good one.

00:33:17.000 Maybe we just draft a 10-page bill, something anyone can read, a two-page bill even.

00:33:22.000 You draft something anyone can read, and they can look at that and decide, do they like that policy or do they like this 400-page policy that Democrats are promising them is a great idea.

00:33:34.000 Yeah, I mean, I think you're right.

00:33:36.000 I think simplicity is key.

00:33:38.000 The fact of the matter is that to your point earlier, this has become politically more tenable for a Republican win here if we hold the line because the problem has become so extreme, right?

00:33:51.000 We can see it with our eyes.

00:33:52.000 There's something very visceral about immigration.

00:33:55.000 Even for the Democrat, the moderate, the independent, they can see how their country is changing rapidly, extremely rapidly.

00:34:03.000 And you have Chicago, you have New York.

00:34:08.000 These mayors are struggling under the crippling weight and financial burden of mass migration. 0.65

00:34:13.000 And so I do think that it's very simple.

00:34:17.000 You have the power to stop the border.

00:34:19.000 You saw that Trump did it, but you're choosing not to.

00:34:22.000 And so now you are asking for more money, namely to fight a far-off war, while kind of shortchanging the American public.

00:34:31.000 And so you have the power.

00:34:33.000 You refuse to use it.

00:34:34.000 You want more money to do more processing of more illegals, to have more discretionary authority to process more illegals.

00:34:41.000 And it is vastly way too complex.

00:34:43.000 I do think when you have polling numbers and 18%, you're not going to convince that many people that you're actually wanting to do something.

00:34:50.000 So I think that just the proximity of the Trump era, where he was tough on this, to Biden's open border crisis, means that we have the leverage.

00:35:01.000 And once again, I just, I cannot, and Blake, maybe you could divine this. 0.90

00:35:06.000 How Senator Lankford goes in with all this polling data, all of this immigration, financial data, and comes out with this stinking garbage heap is beyond me. 0.97

00:35:19.000 The guy should resign. 0.97

00:35:21.000 Honestly, this is so unbelievable that this is what he came up with.

00:35:25.000 This is the best he could do.

00:35:26.000 I think Matt Gates said if Senator Lankford had negotiated the Louisiana Purchase, Mike Johnson's home district would be in Mexico today.

00:35:34.000 I can't grasp how it came about.

00:35:37.000 And that is what stuns me.

00:35:40.000 Lindsey Graham rolled out with this because he's really into the Ukraine war, it'd be more coherent to me.

00:35:46.000 Or if Mitch himself did it.

00:35:47.000 But Lankford, I don't think was perceived as one of the most liberal senators before this, or at least I didn't hear his name brought up like that a lot.

00:35:55.000 He represents an incredibly conservative state.

00:35:57.000 Yeah, I guess maybe the chatter is that it's like I said at the top.

00:36:01.000 I don't really know if it's, it could be, I'm tempted to just think maybe he got circles run around him by Democrats where they, you know, they tell him, oh, you know, this is great because it's got expedited process for asylum seekers and it's got this emergency authority.

00:36:17.000 And he thinks, oh, great, I got these great concessions for our cause.

00:36:21.000 And they just don't understand what they're trying to sign on the dotted line.

00:36:26.000 But that could just be cope.

00:36:28.000 That's very generous of you, Blake.

00:36:30.000 I think they're complicit and they just want to fund Ukraine. 0.85

00:36:34.000 I try to see the best in people and they keep giving me the worst, unfortunately.

00:36:38.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:40.000 We really appreciate it.

00:36:41.000 Talk to you soon.

00:36:42.000 Thanks so much.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - February 05, 2024

How a Two-Page Bill Could Solve the Border with Stephen Miller

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