The Charlie Kirk Show - How and Why They Cheated with Eric Metaxas

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:00.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, my exclusive conversation with Eric Metaxas.

00:00:06.000 I think I was supposed to interview him, but I think it ended up the other way around.

00:00:09.000 It was a great conversation.

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00:01:19.000 Eric Metaxas is here.

00:01:20.000 Buckle up, everybody.

00:01:21.000 Here we go.

00:01:23.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:01:24.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

00:01:26.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:01:30.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:01:33.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:01:34.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:01:35.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:01:44.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:01:52.000 That's why we are here.

00:01:56.000 With the turning point movement that we have started on campuses across the country, I've had the honor of traveling to many of these universities and engage in rigorous debate with the next generation.

00:02:07.000 When you talk to as many students as I do, there are several familiar themes.

00:02:11.000 I see disillusionment with the media, a lack of hope in their job prospects, and I hear them commonly claim that they're victims and that they deserve better.

00:02:19.000 While college students actually realize it or not, they're forming ideologies that will affect the way they think and treat others for a lifetime.

00:02:27.000 I'd like to recommend a great book to any young person in this time of life.

00:02:31.000 It's called Reflections on the Existence of God by best-selling author Richard Simmons III.

00:02:35.000 This guy doesn't shy away from the hardest questions of life.

00:02:38.000 Reflections on the existence of God is a collection of short essays that tackles the biggest question of all: Does God exist?

00:02:46.000 This book is well researched and easy to read.

00:02:48.000 One of the most important things a young person can do is to solidify their worldview.

00:02:52.000 Our worldview informs our personal, social, and political lives.

00:02:56.000 It helps us understand our purpose.

00:02:58.000 So I'm challenging college students to ask themselves life's toughest questions.

00:03:01.000 Dive in and get this book today.

00:03:03.000 Reflections on the existence of God.

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00:03:07.000 That's reflectionscharlie.com.

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00:03:13.000 Thanks so much, everybody.

00:03:14.000 Again, it's Reflections on the Existence of God, a great book.

00:03:17.000 Check it out.

00:03:21.000 Folks, this is a program where I like to be eclectic.

00:03:24.000 I'd like to talk to somebody who's a legend in this business to the point that he's a doddering old man, but I just have an affection for him.

00:03:34.000 Charlie Kirk, welcome to the program.

00:03:35.000 Thank you.

00:03:36.000 Am I on your program or are you on my program?

00:03:38.000 I can't quite figure it out, but I dressed up just for you, Eric.

00:03:41.000 I wore my favorite t-shirt.

00:03:43.000 It's not called Golden Boy.

00:03:45.000 And here we are.

00:03:47.000 I love the fact that a young man like you would be incredibly aware of Seinfeld's.

00:03:55.000 Not that there's anything wrong.

00:03:56.000 I know that you know more actual trivia about Seinfeld than I do, but I trump you on four Seinfeld levels.

00:04:04.000 We cannot discuss this right now.

00:04:05.000 We've got to stick to politics because we're losing people.

00:04:08.000 Charlie, you have been right next to the president in the middle of what is obviously history.

00:04:14.000 We're experiencing history right now.

00:04:15.000 I wish it weren't so, and yet it is so.

00:04:18.000 Millions are praying.

00:04:20.000 Millions from around the world are praying for this election, which is obviously not yet settled.

00:04:29.000 What do you see happening right now that people like me might be unaware of?

00:04:36.000 What are you, being where you are and being close to the center, what do you see cooking?

00:04:40.000 Yeah, I mean, look, there's no doubt that this election, I don't use this word lightly, was stolen.

00:04:47.000 President Donald Trump outperformed every part of the country that was not a focal point for Joe Biden to get enough votes electorally through the Electoral College to get over the top.

00:04:59.000 Some great examples, Eric.

00:05:00.000 And we have this incredible whiteboard here where we've been going through all of this.

00:05:04.000 I mean, President Donald Trump outperformed Obama.

00:05:09.000 He outperformed Mitt Romney, John McCain, and even his own numbers in 2016 dramatically.

00:05:13.000 Miami-Dade County, President Donald Trump overperformed by 15 points versus 2016 versus his own numbers.

00:05:22.000 President Trump did better in Chicago.

00:05:24.000 He did better in Washington, D.C.

00:05:27.000 He did just about as well in L.A. and Boston.

00:05:29.000 He did better in New York City, Eric.

00:05:32.000 He did better by about five or six points in New York City.

00:05:35.000 There were congressional candidates that were supposed to lose in New York, Claudia Tenney, for example, or Nicole Malatakis.

00:05:43.000 And they're doing phenomenal.

00:05:45.000 They haven't certified the election results because New York has this month-long election window where you could still try and find as many ballots as you probably need.

00:05:53.000 California's on the same thing, but they're going to win. 0.98

00:05:55.000 I think Nicole actually was determined to be the winner.

00:05:58.000 President Trump won Long Island and Sussex County.

00:06:02.000 He won huge parts of the suburbs around New York.

00:06:06.000 He won the suburbs of New Jersey.

00:06:08.000 What's the significance of this is that there probably wasn't a huge focus for absentee ballot, funny business, voter registration irregularities, absentee ballot fraud, voting tabulation, dominion voting systems, irregularities.

00:06:23.000 And my best example for all of this, Eric, and this is just the most logical way that I could show it, is I'm from the Midwest.

00:06:29.000 I know Madison, Wisconsin really well.

00:06:31.000 I've been there probably 100 times.

00:06:33.000 And Madison, Wisconsin, of course, is where the University of Wisconsin-Madison is.

00:06:37.000 And so in 2008, at the height of the Obama movement, President Barack Obama got 71% of the support in Dane County, Wisconsin.

00:06:49.000 Joe Biden got 76% this time and 60,000 more votes.

00:06:54.000 And the campus is closed, Eric.

00:06:56.000 How is that possible?

00:06:58.000 The campus is a ghost.

00:06:59.000 Charlie, this is what's so tricky here. 0.99

00:07:02.000 And this is why, you know, the folks on the other side of this, they're not stupid. 0.96

00:07:08.000 They're very clever. 0.92

00:07:10.000 They're just not clever enough, but they're very clever.

00:07:12.000 And they have kind of rolled out this plan to win this election by any means necessary.

00:07:22.000 But now that we have time to look at how they did it and how they didn't do it, some of the things that you said come into play in what I'm thinking, it's really fascinating.

00:07:31.000 I mean, the larger point you're making, which maybe people listening aren't aware of, is just the idea that anyone would outperform Barack Obama.

00:07:46.000 I mean, it's kind of an amazing thing because everybody knows that his candidacy was historic.

00:07:51.000 People came out like they'd never come out forever.

00:07:54.000 The idea that they would do that for Doddering Joe for one of the lamest candidates we've ever seen. 0.83

00:08:00.000 I actually think he made Hillary Clinton look like a good candidate.

00:08:03.000 And I'm not being sarcastic.

00:08:04.000 I actually think that I've never seen anything like him.

00:08:09.000 So the idea that people were pumped to vote for him is laughable.

00:08:12.000 Now, you could say that, well, they weren't voting for him.

00:08:16.000 They were voting against Trump.

00:08:18.000 Okay, that will account for some of it because some people hate Trump that much, but it still can't account for these numbers.

00:08:23.000 When you just talked about New York, the reason Trump did so well in New York compared to the past or compared to what anybody would have expected is obvious.

00:08:34.000 It's because people who wanted to win this election knew not to focus on New York.

00:08:39.000 They knew New York's going to go blue.

00:08:41.000 We don't need to worry about it.

00:08:42.000 We only need to worry about the swing states.

00:08:44.000 So it gives us, you know, a way to see the difference between these states and these states, between these states and these states.

00:08:53.000 And so you just made the point.

00:08:54.000 I mean, the idea that New York City, of all places, who hates Trump more than New York City?

00:09:00.000 And yet, Trump got 5 to 6% more this time.

00:09:05.000 I didn't know that.

00:09:06.000 It's why I love to talk to you.

00:09:08.000 I keep learning stuff.

00:09:09.000 I guess the question a lot of folks have, Charlie, is where do you see this going?

00:09:14.000 Because a lot of people are tuned out or they're just, let me put it this way: they're afraid to hope.

00:09:21.000 They're afraid because they don't want to be crushed.

00:09:23.000 So they're just trying to steal themselves that everybody says Biden got elected.

00:09:26.000 Get over it, get over it.

00:09:28.000 And I don't want to be, I don't want to be too hopeful.

00:09:31.000 I personally know that we have to fight to the death because to allow an election to be stolen in the United States of America is evil.

00:09:40.000 We cannot let that happen.

00:09:42.000 But I don't know.

00:09:44.000 Was there a question in there someplace?

00:09:45.000 Well, I mean, hope is a tricky thing because as soon as you begin to have hope, you also then open yourself up to the possibility of being crushed.

00:09:55.000 And those of us that have been through failing elections are kind of, I get a lot of emails from people saying, Charlie, am I allowed to have a little bit of hope right now?

00:10:06.000 Because I just kind of began to get over this a couple weeks ago.

00:10:10.000 And so, look, here's where we are right now.

00:10:12.000 The question is: did the Democrats commit a perfect crime?

00:10:16.000 And we don't know yet.

00:10:18.000 These are my guesses: no.

00:10:22.000 My guess is that, and here's why.

00:10:24.000 And I can kind of take you through this.

00:10:26.000 The Saturday before the election, I was driving through Wisconsin.

00:10:30.000 I was doing a couple political events, and I was getting a little bit anxious because I started to see on the ground the changes that I saw in 2016: the crowd sizes, the normal people showing up.

00:10:43.000 When I would go into a gas station or a restaurant and I would ask just normal people who they were voting for, they were tilting towards President Trump, not because they loved him, but they realized the consequences of the election.

00:10:54.000 These were married women, suburban voters.

00:10:56.000 I started to see it anecdotally. 1.00

00:10:57.000 I started to see it on the ground.

00:11:00.000 Yet I didn't see it reflected in any of the public polling. 0.98

00:11:03.000 And the public polling that I usually just throw out is garbage. 0.99

00:11:07.000 For example, Quinnipiak is an absolute garbage poll. 1.00

00:11:11.000 They should be decommissioned. 1.00

00:11:12.000 They should all resign and retire. 0.57

00:11:14.000 Any news network that uses them should be a disgrace. 0.98

00:11:17.000 Nate Silver, he's a con man. 0.97

00:11:19.000 He should resign. 0.88

00:11:20.000 The Cook Political Report.

00:11:21.000 I saw them on television the other day.

00:11:23.000 They weren't just wrong, Eric.

00:11:25.000 I mean, they were, they were so they were the opposite of the truth.

00:11:29.000 They said that Nancy Pelosi was going to get 244 seats in the House.

00:11:34.000 She'll be lucky if she gets 225. 1.00

00:11:36.000 She'll probably end up at 221.

00:11:37.000 To be off by 20 seats is incredible.

00:11:40.000 So here's the point: is that as I was seeing things on the ground, I didn't see it yet break in public polling.

00:11:45.000 And none of the people I were talking to in some of the state races or some of the Senate races were yet seeing it in internal polling until, Eric, on Saturday evening, the Des Moines Register poll came out.

00:11:55.000 Do you remember this?

00:11:55.000 Where the Des Moines Register poll showed Donald Trump up seven points, the same number as in 2016.

00:12:01.000 And I said, this is it.

00:12:03.000 The tide is breaking.

00:12:04.000 The Biden campaign is not going to have time to be able to recover from this.

00:12:08.000 And it set the entire political world on fire.

00:12:10.000 And you might remember that Sunday and Monday, the polling, all that got released, kind of didn't get any news coverage.

00:12:16.000 It just got stopped covering.

00:12:17.000 They're like, well, we're so close to an election.

00:12:18.000 Who knows what's going to happen?

00:12:19.000 And all the public polling started all of a sudden reflect President Trump because he really got on message.

00:12:23.000 He was doing so many rallies.

00:12:25.000 People realized the significance of the election.

00:12:27.000 And the late breakers were going for Donald Trump.

00:12:29.000 And it's my theory that the Democrat Chicago mobsters that run a big part of the apparatus of politics on the left, they were scrambling and they were worrying and wondering what they can possibly do.

00:12:42.000 And it is my working theory, Eric, that there was a stand-down order doing the best possible Hillary Clinton Benghazi impersonation they could do, where they said, stop counting the votes in Atlanta, Milwaukee, Detroit, and Philadelphia.

00:12:55.000 We have still not received an answer why they stopped counting the votes in just those four cities.

00:13:00.000 And what's even more creepy is many of the news networks seemed to know what was going to happen.

00:13:04.000 They were incredibly slow to call Florida, so slow to call Ohio.

00:13:08.000 By midnight, they were still saying, well, we can't call some of these states yet.

00:13:11.000 They called Arizona and Virginia almost instantaneously.

00:13:14.000 Including Chris Steierwalt on Fox News.

00:13:19.000 He seemed to be all over that.

00:13:20.000 He was asked about that the other day on Fox Business, and he said he was proud that he was ahead, that he got the scoop.

00:13:29.000 And he sneered rather openly at the idea of people saying, well, it doesn't look like we're going to be able to get the actual counts because of the recounts and stuff.

00:13:38.000 So we've got to kind of go back to this Dominion thing and talk about that.

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00:14:45.000 We have an historic moment happening in America.

00:14:49.000 You're close to the president and close to other people who are close to the president, and you have a particular perspective.

00:14:56.000 I want to continue talking to you about that because I think it's important for those who do not have that kind of access to hear what's going on on the inside.

00:15:08.000 So let's start there.

00:15:10.000 What do you see happening around the president?

00:15:13.000 What are his spirits?

00:15:15.000 What is the sense of where we go from here?

00:15:19.000 Well, I think that he's in a fighting spirit, and that's exactly the correct posture.

00:15:25.000 All the irregularities, the fraud, the issues, the upload issues.

00:15:29.000 He is not going to take the 1960 Richard Nixon tact where he just concedes for the betterment of the country, which I actually think we're still living the consequences of Richard Nixon not contesting the 1960 election.

00:15:44.000 Okay, look, not everybody knows about that.

00:15:46.000 I've referred to it a couple of times on this program, but help my audience.

00:15:50.000 Tell us what happened in 1960.

00:15:53.000 Not that I haven't covered it in my own books, but go ahead.

00:15:55.000 Well, I'll do it as quickly as I can.

00:15:57.000 Richard Nixon running up against John F. Kennedy.

00:15:59.000 Richard Nixon was actually the sitting vice president.

00:16:01.000 John, it was a super tight race.

00:16:03.000 Joseph P. Kennedy, John F. Kennedy's father, was a bootlegger, bad guy, anti-Semite, super rich, realized that it was going to come down to one city and one state, calls the mayor of Chicago, Mayor Daly, and basically makes a deal and says, I need you to start canvassing cemeteries, do what you do in Chicago, get my son to be elected president.

00:16:22.000 And it's one of the most well-documented, well-known instances of voter fraud at the last moment to get a certain candidate elected.

00:16:31.000 And the report started coming out.

00:16:33.000 JFK is called the winner.

00:16:35.000 And Richard Nixon decides not to fight it and to concede for the betterment of the country and for what he thinks a healing part for America.

00:16:42.000 I think that was a mistake. 0.54

00:16:43.000 It was stolen by Democrat thugs, and they've been doing it ever since. 0.79

00:16:47.000 And a lot of JFK's decisions in the early parts of his presidency were pandering to the wishes and the demands of Mayor Daly, whether it be the railroad decisions, whether it be all sorts of different sorts of public policy decisions. 0.65

00:17:00.000 That's a different Chicago wrinkle that we could add into it.

00:17:02.000 The point is this: problems that are not confronted multiply.

00:17:06.000 That is a rule of life.

00:17:07.000 When you see a problem and you do not confront it, it will multiply and then it will become permanent.

00:17:12.000 And that is exactly what we have seen with Democrat voter fraud over the last 40 or 50 years.

00:17:17.000 It just so happens that Donald Trump is so enormously popular.

00:17:20.000 He was so unpredictable politically, impossible to poll, hard to pinpoint and target, that they needed to now resort to what I think was plan C.

00:17:29.000 This was not plan A or B. Plan A was they were going to win by so much they didn't need this on the margins.

00:17:35.000 Plan C was to stop the voting, get as many ballots as you can that were questionable, no signature verification, win on the margins, and dominate the mechanics of politics in four urban cities.

00:17:47.000 Okay, there's a lot of questions that come out of this.

00:17:52.000 But before I get to those, I want to say what Nixon did in 1960, it kind of reminds me of what some of the patrician class, the Prussian military did with Hitler.

00:18:04.000 They were too civilized to fight this thug. 0.66

00:18:10.000 And when they realized that he and his fellow criminals had taken over the great nation of Germany, it was too late. 0.97

00:18:18.000 So there's a time to be civil, and there's a time to understand that if you're too civil, your throat will be cut and your children will be murdered.

00:18:27.000 Nixon did that in 1960 for the good of the country.

00:18:31.000 And I would say when JFK wrote his book, Profiles in Courage, which we know was written actually by his friend Ted Sorensen.

00:18:41.000 I was going to say he didn't write it.

00:18:43.000 And he got a Pulitzer Prize, which is all it's just despicable, the whole thing.

00:18:47.000 But who ought to have been the first chapter in Profiles and Courage?

00:18:51.000 Obviously, it ought to have been Richard Nixon, except the book was written before 1960.

00:18:57.000 But I'm saying that what Nixon did was a profile in courage.

00:19:01.000 It's what a statesman does, it's what a patriot does.

00:19:04.000 They take a bullet for the team and they live to fight another day.

00:19:08.000 That's precisely the opposite of what Biden would do.

00:19:12.000 We have clearly the election's not been decided, and he's already declared himself president-elect with signage and everything like that.

00:19:19.000 But what Nixon did is an amazing thing.

00:19:21.000 And you're quite right to point out that today is a completely different day.

00:19:25.000 And for Trump to do that would be an act, would be a profile in cowardice.

00:19:30.000 He must do what we know he will do and is doing already, which is to confront this vile abomination of corruption in our electoral system.

00:19:42.000 There is nothing more horrific than in a free country to countenance this kind of thing in one city, much less across the board.

00:19:49.000 So it brings me to my question, Charlie.

00:19:51.000 Who?

00:19:52.000 Who do you think?

00:19:54.000 Because these would be conspirators.

00:19:56.000 Who do you think gave the high sign or made the plan behind the scenes what to do on election night?

00:20:04.000 These are people.

00:20:06.000 This wasn't an algorithm.

00:20:08.000 Who do you suppose are the Mandarins of power on the Democratic side who made these decisions?

00:20:14.000 Yeah, it's hard to say.

00:20:14.000 I mean, there's a lot of different working theories here, and I think they all might have some element of truth together.

00:20:21.000 And so some people are very focused on the Hammer scorecard, the Dominion voting systems.

00:20:26.000 And I think that actually there's a lot behind that.

00:20:29.000 We've already seen that one of the Dominion voting systems changed 6,000 votes in Michigan from a Republican losing to a Republican winning.

00:20:36.000 We've seen memory stick upload issues in three counties now in Georgia that otherwise would not have been found if it wasn't for the canvassing and the audit in Georgia.

00:20:45.000 I also think that there's a lot to be said, though, about a phrase that I coined called ballot laundering, where all these ballots were sent out and you enlist 30 or 40 criminals, which it always stuns me.

00:20:58.000 People say, well, voter fraud doesn't exist.

00:21:00.000 I say, we have crimes in every form of society, everything.

00:21:04.000 It's like saying money laundering doesn't exist.

00:21:06.000 They're like, well, I went to my local laundromat.

00:21:07.000 I couldn't see any money laundering.

00:21:09.000 I'm like, yeah, that's the point is that I counted all their dollar bills.

00:21:12.000 I audited them.

00:21:13.000 I said, well, do you look at their books?

00:21:14.000 Did you talk to their customers?

00:21:15.000 Did you see that guy come with the big thing of cash and say, yeah, you know, wash some of my briefs and my suits?

00:21:21.000 You have to look a little bit deeper with a little more complexity.

00:21:24.000 And ballot laundering is what the New York Times said in 2012.

00:21:28.000 It exists all over.

00:21:29.000 They used to cover this stuff ferociously, which is called granny farming. 0.98

00:21:33.000 There was a 1,774% increase in voter registration for people over the age of 90 in Pennsylvania in the midst of a pandemic this year. 0.63

00:21:43.000 1,744.

00:21:44.000 Wait a minute.

00:21:45.000 Say that again.

00:21:46.000 Nobody's ever said 1,774%.

00:21:50.000 I say these numbers so often, I feel like everyone knows it by now.

00:21:53.000 So I guess I guess.

00:21:54.000 Well, that's why I'm here to slow you down and to make you speak to the American public.

00:22:00.000 There was a 1,774% increase in voter registration for 90-plus-year-olds in the year 2020 in the midst of a pandemic.

00:22:11.000 It's inexplicable.

00:22:12.000 It's not true.

00:22:14.000 Do you call this granny farming?

00:22:16.000 I did not coin that term.

00:22:17.000 The New York Times did, believe it or not, in 2012.

00:22:22.000 It's very funny, except it's crime.

00:22:26.000 So you're telling me that that's an actual figure.

00:22:31.000 1,774% increase in voter registration among, say it again?

00:22:37.000 90-plus-year-olds in the midst of a pandemic.

00:22:40.000 Yeah, because you can just see them blasting out of their driveways at 100 mile an hour to register during a pandemic, knowing that they might die.

00:22:49.000 That's logical.

00:22:50.000 Charlie, let me ask you a question for a change.

00:22:54.000 I just asked, who do we think was behind this?

00:22:58.000 And you gave a complex answer.

00:22:59.000 But I guess the point is that there have to be figures, elders in the party at the DNC, who make decisions that we're going to do a wide-ranging multi-state campaign to steal this election?

00:23:16.000 So the question is, who are these people?

00:23:19.000 When the votes stop getting counted suddenly in a number of swing states or in the number of swing states, clearly that's not a coincidence.

00:23:29.000 Somebody has to be behind that.

00:23:31.000 Do we have any idea who is hiding back in the weeds, who was pulling these levers?

00:23:37.000 Yeah, I mean, there's some suspects that we all have in mind.

00:23:41.000 My best guess, because this feels like a Chicago operation that was exported to the four major cities, is the Obama political team.

00:23:48.000 My guess is that the Biden team leaned on some of the Obama machinery and experience to do this.

00:23:57.000 I'm talking about the Axelrods, the Jarretts, the Solinsky types that Eric Holder.

00:24:03.000 Yeah, those types, exactly.

00:24:04.000 But understand, this was a multi-year process in getting the right people.

00:24:09.000 Remember, personnel is policy.

00:24:10.000 This is something Republicans and conservatives fail to ever realize.

00:24:14.000 The people you have actually are a reflection of the policy that will happen is that they won district attorney races.

00:24:21.000 They won Secretary of State races.

00:24:22.000 They spent tons of money on changing the way we do balloting.

00:24:26.000 For example, Stacey Abrams might have lost the battle in 2018, but she won the war.

00:24:31.000 Brian Kemp and Rothensperger, the guy that's the Secretary of State in Georgia, they gave Stacey Abrams everything she wanted when she came in with $40 million 18 months ago when all of us were worrying about Elizabeth Warren versus Beto versus all this.

00:24:45.000 You know what Stacey Abrams is worrying about?

00:24:47.000 She was suing with $40 million in the bank with a high-priced Washington, D.C. law firm, getting the absentee ballot threshold completely changed.

00:24:57.000 For example, in 2018 and 2016, 4% of all absentee ballots were rejected for lack of signature verification.

00:25:05.000 It's less than half of 1% this election.

00:25:08.000 Now, with more absentee ballots than ever before because of the pandemic, with more people voting by mail, we now have a lower threshold of rejection.

00:25:15.000 So let's pretend it was even just 2%.

00:25:18.000 That's 40,000 ballots that would have been rejected for lack of signature verification and for issues of the balloting.

00:25:24.000 President Donald Trump would win Georgia.

00:25:26.000 He still can.

00:25:27.000 If you just reinstitute the same ballot practices, now, why did it change? 1.00

00:25:32.000 It's because Stacey Abrams came in with $40 million funded through tax credits of Hollywood figures that re-domicile the Georgia because with their parasitic mind, they want to destroy more states that work. 1.00

00:25:43.000 They come into Georgia, write her big checks. 1.00

00:25:46.000 The tech billionaires do the same thing.

00:25:48.000 And then Raffensperger and Brian Kemp run to the hills because they don't want to be called the R-word in a state that had a, let's just say, complex racial past.

00:25:55.000 And Stacey Abrams gets everything she wants.

00:25:58.000 And all of a sudden, the Republicans are like, oh, it won't really matter.

00:26:01.000 We'll win Georgia by two points instead of three points.

00:26:04.000 And all of a sudden, you realize, no, when these elections come down to 50,000 votes and you're able to have a different threshold of how the actual mechanics of elections are done, then you're going to lose.

00:26:14.000 And the last point I'll say is this: the Democrats have employed Sun Tzu's art of war far better than we did.

00:26:20.000 They actually cared about the terrain of which the battle was fought on.

00:26:23.000 We couldn't care less.

00:26:24.000 We're like, well, this is an idea battle.

00:26:26.000 No, it's not.

00:26:28.000 This has nothing to do with high taxes, low taxes, defund the police.

00:26:31.000 It's whether or not ballots are going to be counted correctly.

00:26:33.000 Republicans have never cared about that.

00:26:36.000 And now we start to see the consequences of that.

00:26:39.000 Well, it's funny because the idea that, you know, Chicago, you know, using the dead to vote, going to graveyards and getting names, the idea that Democratic cities are corrupt, it's like a joke.

00:26:55.000 And yet you think, why would we allow something like that to be significant enough that we would joke about it?

00:27:02.000 I mean, what could be more despicable in the United States of America that this could go on?

00:27:09.000 And honestly, you know, if not for Donald Trump, we wouldn't even be looking at this.

00:27:14.000 And if he had won easily on November 3rd or on the morning of the 4th, we might not be looking into this.

00:27:21.000 So I actually, Charlie, see it as a blessing from God that we are able to deal with this and actually drain the swamp.

00:27:31.000 I think that these folks are going to be hoist by their own petard, to quote Shakespeare, or that they're going to like Heyman, to quote the Bible.

00:27:39.000 They're going to build a gallows on which they themselves, from which they themselves hang.

00:27:43.000 Yeah, I sure hope so.

00:27:44.000 I mean, look, it's voter fraud is well documented.

00:27:47.000 Just go to Duval County in Texas when Lyndon Baines Johnson used to canvass cemeteries.

00:27:52.000 And the old story goes like this: where they used to go through cemeteries at night to correlate old voter registration records.

00:27:59.000 And Lyndon Baines Johnson was walking through the cemetery with one of his political operatives and they couldn't read the name on one of the gravestones.

00:28:06.000 And they moved to the next one, and LBJ says, Get over here.

00:28:09.000 Every single person in this cemetery has a right for their voice to be heard in this election.

00:28:14.000 That's a well-known story.

00:28:15.000 That's a well-known story in Texas politics.

00:28:18.000 Right. 0.90

00:28:19.000 Well, we know that there was no greater skunk and criminal in the White House than Lyndon Baines Johnson. 0.58

00:28:26.000 There's no doubt about that in my mind.

00:28:28.000 But and he has some close competitors, but he wins.

00:28:32.000 But the idea that politics is that dirty game ought to be banished from public life.

00:28:38.000 It's really a cancer on the body politic that we would allow even ourselves to joke about it or to allow it.

00:28:47.000 It's counter to everything the founders stood for, all of whom were noble men.

00:28:51.000 Yeah, I have a contrarian opinion here.

00:28:53.000 You might agree or disagree, Eric, but we kind of let this happen in a different sense.

00:28:57.000 When you do not prosecute injustice, then again, problems that are not confronted multiply.

00:29:02.000 When Peter Strzok and Lisa Page and Brennan and Clapper are able to do what they did, then why wouldn't they also execute the largest voter fraud operation in modern American history?

00:29:12.000 If all of a sudden you're going to go after Dinesh D'Souza, Steve Bannon, Wayne Lapierre, Roger Stone, and every person that's ever had a conversation with President Trump, but you allow every single Democrat operative to run free, of course they're going to try to do stuff like this.

00:29:26.000 And you're right, but I think that we have to realize that politics is just a reflection of the country that we live in.

00:29:33.000 And when we do not go after the sort of widespread criminality in June, the taking down of the statues, the burning of our cities, of course, then they're going to cheat in elections.

00:29:44.000 And this goes to something that Rudy Giuliani proved as mayor in the 1990s, which is the little bit of graffiti will be a murder tomorrow.

00:29:51.000 And you remember this, right?

00:29:53.000 And this is now playing itself out in American politics, which is, oh, the toppling of the statue in Fairfax, Virginia.

00:30:00.000 That's okay.

00:30:00.000 Well, those same thugs are now going to try and fill out ballots to defeat the fascist that they just wanted to tear a statue down against.

00:30:08.000 It's all interconnected.

00:30:11.000 Well, I mean, actually, I think you're making my point.

00:30:13.000 I don't think you were disagreeing with me.

00:30:15.000 I think that is the point.

00:30:18.000 When you allow things to go on with a wink and you say, well, that's just the way it is.

00:30:23.000 That ought not to be our point of view.

00:30:26.000 When somebody breaks a window or sprays graffiti on something, you don't take the racist view and say, well, that's just how those people behave in that neighborhood.

00:30:34.000 No, no, no.

00:30:35.000 You do the opposite. 0.58

00:30:36.000 You treat them the way you treat every other American.

00:30:38.000 You say, we don't do that here.

00:30:40.000 And you prosecute them.

00:30:41.000 And then the next time they'll think twice about it.

00:30:44.000 I think that, you know, that's called the broken windows theory.

00:30:47.000 It was used by Rudy Giuliani to staggering effect in New York City.

00:30:52.000 And de Blasio is undoing that as quickly as he can.

00:30:56.000 But it is simply true, but it reflects the larger ideology, Charlie, that we were talking about.

00:31:03.000 Is that when you kind of laugh at something or you turn it into a joke, how is it possible that you would allow LBJ or JFK to get away with this and then let this go on through the decades?

00:31:18.000 And so you're quite right.

00:31:19.000 That is, we're where we are because of this.

00:31:22.000 And I would say the statues were torn down because we didn't deal with that previous stuff.

00:31:26.000 It goes on and on.

00:31:27.000 But I do think that right now we have an opportunity to deal with this.

00:31:32.000 I think a lot of people are going to go to prison.

00:31:33.000 I'll be honest.

00:31:34.000 I hope so.

00:31:35.000 That's where this is going to go.

00:31:36.000 And this has a cascading effect that only one thing feeds into the other.

00:31:40.000 And then finally, we shouldn't act surprised when Republicans are almost paralyzed from prosecuting some of the stuff or fighting on the ballot issues because they want to be called, you know, because they're afraid they're going to be called racist.

00:31:53.000 And that's what that's what that's what's happening in a lot of these cities, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Milwaukee, and Detroit.

00:31:59.000 You have these board of supervisors, some of which are standing very strong, but you're not even allowed to look into the voting irregularities because they say, well, you know, why do you hate black people?

00:32:09.000 And that's just not even close to the intention, nor is that even close to the result of any of the reasons why we're looking into this.

00:32:15.000 And they have they excuse me, it's being looked into because we love black people.

00:32:21.000 Of course, that's the whole point.

00:32:23.000 This is the ultimate gaslighting.

00:32:25.000 And that if you don't care about every American, you just let this stuff go. 0.52

00:32:30.000 But look, we have a lot of cowards and we have a lot of people that they're just not, you know, they're not able to fight to fight these battles.

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00:33:58.000 I still want to go back, Charlie, to the who.

00:34:02.000 The idea that there are people, actual people behind this.

00:34:06.000 We don't know yet, but I think that that's the bigger issue and that's the issue we have to deal with.

00:34:12.000 It's one thing to figure out this election to figure out who won or rather to prove that Trump won, which it seems clear he did.

00:34:20.000 It's another thing then to say, who is so cynical and so criminal that they would dare, that they would dare to try to steal an election from the American people who are the government.

00:34:33.000 Let me ask you: people want to know if folks like you and me believe that Trump actually won.

00:34:43.000 I had Dick Morris on this program the other day.

00:34:45.000 He said, without question, he knows that Trump won.

00:34:49.000 So the question, of course, becomes, how will this play out?

00:34:52.000 If he won, how do we prove that he won?

00:34:56.000 How do we force those opposing his victory to accept it?

00:35:03.000 Yeah, there's a couple different buckets here.

00:35:05.000 The first of which, without having to get to the U.S. Supreme Court, can there be some ruling or determination of spoiled ballots?

00:35:14.000 For example, signature verification, ballots that weren't sorted properly, people that were not given access.

00:35:20.000 That's a very high threshold to throw out ballots, but it's not impossible.

00:35:24.000 There's plenty of precedent for that.

00:35:26.000 The second is, so that's kind of a more of a very technical, were the ballots sorted properly?

00:35:32.000 Were the ballots given signature verification?

00:35:34.000 Did you go through the same process that you did in other ones?

00:35:37.000 If not, why?

00:35:38.000 That could actually be very favorable for President Trump, especially in Georgia and Pennsylvania.

00:35:43.000 Those are the two states where things are really been mucked up, to be honest with you.

00:35:48.000 They've really been kind of thrown together.

00:35:51.000 We've been getting half answers, upload issues, people not given access.

00:35:55.000 I would not be surprised if a court comes in, maybe the Supreme Court, and says, look, any of these backdated ballots are not going to be counted in the Pennsylvania election.

00:36:04.000 That could change a lot of the outcome.

00:36:06.000 But that's not going to be enough.

00:36:09.000 The thing that all of us are waiting for, that we know exists, but whether or not we are in possession of that, which it exists, is what Sidney Powell is kind of teasing us with: is there verifiable evidence that you can present in front of a hostile judge that can show that the tabulation, the machinery, the Dominion voting systems was changing votes?

00:36:33.000 Can you actually prove that?

00:36:35.000 Sidney Phoenix.

00:36:35.000 She said on Maria Buartomorro, she said, I wouldn't be saying this if I couldn't prove it.

00:36:41.000 I wouldn't be claiming this if I couldn't prove it.

00:36:42.000 And look, she said that.

00:36:43.000 I know Sidney very well.

00:36:45.000 And I remember when she was going on news channels just like that a year ago, and she was being ridiculed when people were saying, How can you possibly say that Michael Flynn was entrapped?

00:36:56.000 And she said, Oh, just wait till the 302s come out.

00:36:58.000 And she was proven correct 100%.

00:37:00.000 And so Sidney Powell.

00:37:02.000 What are 302s?

00:37:03.000 A 302 is a document that FBI agents fill out after they do something.

00:37:08.000 So Peter Struckstroke Smirk, after he went into the White House and entrapped Michael Flynn, wrote down, We have to go get Michael Flynn.

00:37:16.000 I'm paraphrasing here, right?

00:37:18.000 And so then Sidney Powell with Judge Jackson or Judge Barrett, I can't get them all confused.

00:37:24.000 He declassified the documents and Sidney Powell was proven correct.

00:37:27.000 Sidney Powell also wrote a license to lie.

00:37:30.000 What am I saying all that?

00:37:31.000 Sidney Powell is not just better call Saul from breaking bad, right? 0.94

00:37:34.000 She's a real lawyer.

00:37:37.000 She's credible.

00:37:38.000 She's been correct before.

00:37:40.000 And so that's what we're all waiting for.

00:37:42.000 She calls it the Kraken.

00:37:44.000 We call it hope because she now is getting a lot of people's hopes up, myself included, that there will be a massive revelation that could possibly order a revote.

00:37:55.000 Now, Article 3 of the Constitution states clearly, and precedent shows, the Supreme Court can do basically whatever they want. 0.65

00:38:02.000 The Supreme Court, because of past decisions that you and I disagree with when it comes to gay marriage and abortion, the Supreme Court basically can come in as a nine-person, you know, czarist branch and be like, revote. 0.85

00:38:17.000 And there would be no stopping them. 0.81

00:38:19.000 Whether I support that kind of judicial action or not remains to be seen.

00:38:23.000 I would want to see the evidence that would make them do that.

00:38:26.000 I think that is somewhat unlikely.

00:38:28.000 I think what is more likely, though, is that they could authorize or order some form of a recount audit or segmenting of ballots.

00:38:39.000 And look, we're talking about 40,000 ballots that are the differential in the states that would make President Trump president.

00:38:45.000 Georgia, if they just had the same absentee ballot threshold they did in prior states, Trump wins Georgia.

00:38:50.000 In Michigan, if Dominion voting systems did what we think it has done, Trump wins Michigan.

00:38:56.000 If in Wisconsin, an honest observer can look at what happened in Wisconsin, Trump can win Wisconsin.

00:39:02.000 So these elections have not been certified, and we know the lengths that these people are willing to go to.

00:39:07.000 And I want to just say one thing, Eric.

00:39:09.000 You wrote the book on Bonhoeffer.

00:39:11.000 It's one of the greatest books written out, written in the last couple decades in general, let alone on World War II and Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

00:39:21.000 They think they are all Bonhoeffer.

00:39:24.000 They think that they are trying to get rid of a fascist leader.

00:39:27.000 So think of what you and I would be willing to do to try and defeat 1930s Hitler.

00:39:32.000 That's what they think they're doing.

00:39:34.000 And so we have to dismiss ourselves of thinking, we have to dismiss the thinking that they think they're trying to influence an election.

00:39:43.000 They think they're trying to displace a dictator.

00:39:46.000 And when you start to put on that sort of thinking cap, a lot of the stuff starts to make more sense of the lengths that they're willing to go to.

00:39:54.000 That is a brilliant framing, Charlie, because, first of all, it's correct, but it's brilliant because I think we need to step back and understand what you just said.

00:40:05.000 Most of these people, or at least many of them, are in fact, they're not cynical old timers like Joe Biden, who kind of with a wink and a nod, they've been getting through working the system.

00:40:20.000 Many of these people are crusaders who do believe that Donald Trump is Hitler 2.0 and that they would be themselves morally disgusting not to do anything they can.

00:40:33.000 So that is really important.

00:40:36.000 It's important to know what we're up against.

00:40:39.000 The good thing is that there are tons of people praying.

00:40:43.000 Prayer works.

00:40:44.000 I don't think God is through with this nation.

00:40:47.000 And by his grace, we'll get through this, but people are going to have to stay on their knees fasting and praying.

00:40:52.000 Charlie, always great to speak with you.

00:40:55.000 God bless you, my friend.

00:40:56.000 Thank you.

00:40:59.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - November 20, 2020

How and Why They Cheated with Eric Metaxas

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