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00:01:35.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:44.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:56.000With the turning point movement that we have started on campuses across the country, I've had the honor of traveling to many of these universities and engage in rigorous debate with the next generation.
00:02:07.000When you talk to as many students as I do, there are several familiar themes.
00:02:11.000I see disillusionment with the media, a lack of hope in their job prospects, and I hear them commonly claim that they're victims and that they deserve better.
00:02:19.000While college students actually realize it or not, they're forming ideologies that will affect the way they think and treat others for a lifetime.
00:02:27.000I'd like to recommend a great book to any young person in this time of life.
00:02:31.000It's called Reflections on the Existence of God by best-selling author Richard Simmons III.
00:02:35.000This guy doesn't shy away from the hardest questions of life.
00:02:38.000Reflections on the existence of God is a collection of short essays that tackles the biggest question of all: Does God exist?
00:02:46.000This book is well researched and easy to read.
00:02:48.000One of the most important things a young person can do is to solidify their worldview.
00:02:52.000Our worldview informs our personal, social, and political lives.
00:03:21.000Folks, this is a program where I like to be eclectic.
00:03:24.000I'd like to talk to somebody who's a legend in this business to the point that he's a doddering old man, but I just have an affection for him.
00:04:20.000Millions from around the world are praying for this election, which is obviously not yet settled.
00:04:29.000What do you see happening right now that people like me might be unaware of?
00:04:36.000What are you, being where you are and being close to the center, what do you see cooking?
00:04:40.000Yeah, I mean, look, there's no doubt that this election, I don't use this word lightly, was stolen.
00:04:47.000President Donald Trump outperformed every part of the country that was not a focal point for Joe Biden to get enough votes electorally through the Electoral College to get over the top.
00:05:45.000They haven't certified the election results because New York has this month-long election window where you could still try and find as many ballots as you probably need.
00:05:53.000California's on the same thing, but they're going to win.
00:05:55.000I think Nicole actually was determined to be the winner.
00:05:58.000President Trump won Long Island and Sussex County.
00:06:02.000He won huge parts of the suburbs around New York.
00:06:08.000What's the significance of this is that there probably wasn't a huge focus for absentee ballot, funny business, voter registration irregularities, absentee ballot fraud, voting tabulation, dominion voting systems, irregularities.
00:06:23.000And my best example for all of this, Eric, and this is just the most logical way that I could show it, is I'm from the Midwest.
00:07:10.000They're just not clever enough, but they're very clever.
00:07:12.000And they have kind of rolled out this plan to win this election by any means necessary.
00:07:22.000But now that we have time to look at how they did it and how they didn't do it, some of the things that you said come into play in what I'm thinking, it's really fascinating.
00:07:31.000I mean, the larger point you're making, which maybe people listening aren't aware of, is just the idea that anyone would outperform Barack Obama.
00:07:46.000I mean, it's kind of an amazing thing because everybody knows that his candidacy was historic.
00:07:51.000People came out like they'd never come out forever.
00:07:54.000The idea that they would do that for Doddering Joe for one of the lamest candidates we've ever seen.
00:08:00.000I actually think he made Hillary Clinton look like a good candidate.
00:08:18.000Okay, that will account for some of it because some people hate Trump that much, but it still can't account for these numbers.
00:08:23.000When you just talked about New York, the reason Trump did so well in New York compared to the past or compared to what anybody would have expected is obvious.
00:08:34.000It's because people who wanted to win this election knew not to focus on New York.
00:08:39.000They knew New York's going to go blue.
00:09:44.000Was there a question in there someplace?
00:09:45.000Well, I mean, hope is a tricky thing because as soon as you begin to have hope, you also then open yourself up to the possibility of being crushed.
00:09:55.000And those of us that have been through failing elections are kind of, I get a lot of emails from people saying, Charlie, am I allowed to have a little bit of hope right now?
00:10:06.000Because I just kind of began to get over this a couple weeks ago.
00:10:10.000And so, look, here's where we are right now.
00:10:12.000The question is: did the Democrats commit a perfect crime?
00:10:24.000And I can kind of take you through this.
00:10:26.000The Saturday before the election, I was driving through Wisconsin.
00:10:30.000I was doing a couple political events, and I was getting a little bit anxious because I started to see on the ground the changes that I saw in 2016: the crowd sizes, the normal people showing up.
00:10:43.000When I would go into a gas station or a restaurant and I would ask just normal people who they were voting for, they were tilting towards President Trump, not because they loved him, but they realized the consequences of the election.
00:10:54.000These were married women, suburban voters.
00:11:40.000So here's the point: is that as I was seeing things on the ground, I didn't see it yet break in public polling.
00:11:45.000And none of the people I were talking to in some of the state races or some of the Senate races were yet seeing it in internal polling until, Eric, on Saturday evening, the Des Moines Register poll came out.
00:12:25.000People realized the significance of the election.
00:12:27.000And the late breakers were going for Donald Trump.
00:12:29.000And it's my theory that the Democrat Chicago mobsters that run a big part of the apparatus of politics on the left, they were scrambling and they were worrying and wondering what they can possibly do.
00:12:42.000And it is my working theory, Eric, that there was a stand-down order doing the best possible Hillary Clinton Benghazi impersonation they could do, where they said, stop counting the votes in Atlanta, Milwaukee, Detroit, and Philadelphia.
00:12:55.000We have still not received an answer why they stopped counting the votes in just those four cities.
00:13:00.000And what's even more creepy is many of the news networks seemed to know what was going to happen.
00:13:04.000They were incredibly slow to call Florida, so slow to call Ohio.
00:13:08.000By midnight, they were still saying, well, we can't call some of these states yet.
00:13:11.000They called Arizona and Virginia almost instantaneously.
00:13:14.000Including Chris Steierwalt on Fox News.
00:13:20.000He was asked about that the other day on Fox Business, and he said he was proud that he was ahead, that he got the scoop.
00:13:29.000And he sneered rather openly at the idea of people saying, well, it doesn't look like we're going to be able to get the actual counts because of the recounts and stuff.
00:13:38.000So we've got to kind of go back to this Dominion thing and talk about that.
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00:14:45.000We have an historic moment happening in America.
00:14:49.000You're close to the president and close to other people who are close to the president, and you have a particular perspective.
00:14:56.000I want to continue talking to you about that because I think it's important for those who do not have that kind of access to hear what's going on on the inside.
00:15:15.000What is the sense of where we go from here?
00:15:19.000Well, I think that he's in a fighting spirit, and that's exactly the correct posture.
00:15:25.000All the irregularities, the fraud, the issues, the upload issues.
00:15:29.000He is not going to take the 1960 Richard Nixon tact where he just concedes for the betterment of the country, which I actually think we're still living the consequences of Richard Nixon not contesting the 1960 election.
00:15:44.000Okay, look, not everybody knows about that.
00:15:46.000I've referred to it a couple of times on this program, but help my audience.
00:16:03.000Joseph P. Kennedy, John F. Kennedy's father, was a bootlegger, bad guy, anti-Semite, super rich, realized that it was going to come down to one city and one state, calls the mayor of Chicago, Mayor Daly, and basically makes a deal and says, I need you to start canvassing cemeteries, do what you do in Chicago, get my son to be elected president.
00:16:22.000And it's one of the most well-documented, well-known instances of voter fraud at the last moment to get a certain candidate elected.
00:16:35.000And Richard Nixon decides not to fight it and to concede for the betterment of the country and for what he thinks a healing part for America.
00:16:43.000It was stolen by Democrat thugs, and they've been doing it ever since.
00:16:47.000And a lot of JFK's decisions in the early parts of his presidency were pandering to the wishes and the demands of Mayor Daly, whether it be the railroad decisions, whether it be all sorts of different sorts of public policy decisions.
00:17:00.000That's a different Chicago wrinkle that we could add into it.
00:17:02.000The point is this: problems that are not confronted multiply.
00:17:07.000When you see a problem and you do not confront it, it will multiply and then it will become permanent.
00:17:12.000And that is exactly what we have seen with Democrat voter fraud over the last 40 or 50 years.
00:17:17.000It just so happens that Donald Trump is so enormously popular.
00:17:20.000He was so unpredictable politically, impossible to poll, hard to pinpoint and target, that they needed to now resort to what I think was plan C.
00:17:29.000This was not plan A or B. Plan A was they were going to win by so much they didn't need this on the margins.
00:17:35.000Plan C was to stop the voting, get as many ballots as you can that were questionable, no signature verification, win on the margins, and dominate the mechanics of politics in four urban cities.
00:17:47.000Okay, there's a lot of questions that come out of this.
00:17:52.000But before I get to those, I want to say what Nixon did in 1960, it kind of reminds me of what some of the patrician class, the Prussian military did with Hitler.
00:18:04.000They were too civilized to fight this thug.
00:18:10.000And when they realized that he and his fellow criminals had taken over the great nation of Germany, it was too late.
00:18:18.000So there's a time to be civil, and there's a time to understand that if you're too civil, your throat will be cut and your children will be murdered.
00:18:27.000Nixon did that in 1960 for the good of the country.
00:18:31.000And I would say when JFK wrote his book, Profiles in Courage, which we know was written actually by his friend Ted Sorensen.
00:18:41.000I was going to say he didn't write it.
00:18:43.000And he got a Pulitzer Prize, which is all it's just despicable, the whole thing.
00:18:47.000But who ought to have been the first chapter in Profiles and Courage?
00:18:51.000Obviously, it ought to have been Richard Nixon, except the book was written before 1960.
00:18:57.000But I'm saying that what Nixon did was a profile in courage.
00:19:01.000It's what a statesman does, it's what a patriot does.
00:19:04.000They take a bullet for the team and they live to fight another day.
00:19:08.000That's precisely the opposite of what Biden would do.
00:19:12.000We have clearly the election's not been decided, and he's already declared himself president-elect with signage and everything like that.
00:19:19.000But what Nixon did is an amazing thing.
00:19:21.000And you're quite right to point out that today is a completely different day.
00:19:25.000And for Trump to do that would be an act, would be a profile in cowardice.
00:19:30.000He must do what we know he will do and is doing already, which is to confront this vile abomination of corruption in our electoral system.
00:19:42.000There is nothing more horrific than in a free country to countenance this kind of thing in one city, much less across the board.
00:19:49.000So it brings me to my question, Charlie.
00:20:14.000I mean, there's a lot of different working theories here, and I think they all might have some element of truth together.
00:20:21.000And so some people are very focused on the Hammer scorecard, the Dominion voting systems.
00:20:26.000And I think that actually there's a lot behind that.
00:20:29.000We've already seen that one of the Dominion voting systems changed 6,000 votes in Michigan from a Republican losing to a Republican winning.
00:20:36.000We've seen memory stick upload issues in three counties now in Georgia that otherwise would not have been found if it wasn't for the canvassing and the audit in Georgia.
00:20:45.000I also think that there's a lot to be said, though, about a phrase that I coined called ballot laundering, where all these ballots were sent out and you enlist 30 or 40 criminals, which it always stuns me.
00:22:26.000So you're telling me that that's an actual figure.
00:22:31.0001,774% increase in voter registration among, say it again?
00:22:37.00090-plus-year-olds in the midst of a pandemic.
00:22:40.000Yeah, because you can just see them blasting out of their driveways at 100 mile an hour to register during a pandemic, knowing that they might die.
00:22:59.000But I guess the point is that there have to be figures, elders in the party at the DNC, who make decisions that we're going to do a wide-ranging multi-state campaign to steal this election?
00:23:16.000So the question is, who are these people?
00:23:19.000When the votes stop getting counted suddenly in a number of swing states or in the number of swing states, clearly that's not a coincidence.
00:24:22.000They spent tons of money on changing the way we do balloting.
00:24:26.000For example, Stacey Abrams might have lost the battle in 2018, but she won the war.
00:24:31.000Brian Kemp and Rothensperger, the guy that's the Secretary of State in Georgia, they gave Stacey Abrams everything she wanted when she came in with $40 million 18 months ago when all of us were worrying about Elizabeth Warren versus Beto versus all this.
00:24:45.000You know what Stacey Abrams is worrying about?
00:24:47.000She was suing with $40 million in the bank with a high-priced Washington, D.C. law firm, getting the absentee ballot threshold completely changed.
00:24:57.000For example, in 2018 and 2016, 4% of all absentee ballots were rejected for lack of signature verification.
00:25:05.000It's less than half of 1% this election.
00:25:08.000Now, with more absentee ballots than ever before because of the pandemic, with more people voting by mail, we now have a lower threshold of rejection.
00:25:27.000If you just reinstitute the same ballot practices, now, why did it change?
00:25:32.000It's because Stacey Abrams came in with $40 million funded through tax credits of Hollywood figures that re-domicile the Georgia because with their parasitic mind, they want to destroy more states that work.
00:25:43.000They come into Georgia, write her big checks.
00:25:46.000The tech billionaires do the same thing.
00:25:48.000And then Raffensperger and Brian Kemp run to the hills because they don't want to be called the R-word in a state that had a, let's just say, complex racial past.
00:25:55.000And Stacey Abrams gets everything she wants.
00:25:58.000And all of a sudden, the Republicans are like, oh, it won't really matter.
00:26:01.000We'll win Georgia by two points instead of three points.
00:26:04.000And all of a sudden, you realize, no, when these elections come down to 50,000 votes and you're able to have a different threshold of how the actual mechanics of elections are done, then you're going to lose.
00:26:14.000And the last point I'll say is this: the Democrats have employed Sun Tzu's art of war far better than we did.
00:26:20.000They actually cared about the terrain of which the battle was fought on.
00:26:28.000This has nothing to do with high taxes, low taxes, defund the police.
00:26:31.000It's whether or not ballots are going to be counted correctly.
00:26:33.000Republicans have never cared about that.
00:26:36.000And now we start to see the consequences of that.
00:26:39.000Well, it's funny because the idea that, you know, Chicago, you know, using the dead to vote, going to graveyards and getting names, the idea that Democratic cities are corrupt, it's like a joke.
00:26:55.000And yet you think, why would we allow something like that to be significant enough that we would joke about it?
00:27:02.000I mean, what could be more despicable in the United States of America that this could go on?
00:27:09.000And honestly, you know, if not for Donald Trump, we wouldn't even be looking at this.
00:27:14.000And if he had won easily on November 3rd or on the morning of the 4th, we might not be looking into this.
00:27:21.000So I actually, Charlie, see it as a blessing from God that we are able to deal with this and actually drain the swamp.
00:27:31.000I think that these folks are going to be hoist by their own petard, to quote Shakespeare, or that they're going to like Heyman, to quote the Bible.
00:27:39.000They're going to build a gallows on which they themselves, from which they themselves hang.
00:27:44.000I mean, look, it's voter fraud is well documented.
00:27:47.000Just go to Duval County in Texas when Lyndon Baines Johnson used to canvass cemeteries.
00:27:52.000And the old story goes like this: where they used to go through cemeteries at night to correlate old voter registration records.
00:27:59.000And Lyndon Baines Johnson was walking through the cemetery with one of his political operatives and they couldn't read the name on one of the gravestones.
00:28:06.000And they moved to the next one, and LBJ says, Get over here.
00:28:09.000Every single person in this cemetery has a right for their voice to be heard in this election.
00:28:19.000Well, we know that there was no greater skunk and criminal in the White House than Lyndon Baines Johnson.
00:28:26.000There's no doubt about that in my mind.
00:28:28.000But and he has some close competitors, but he wins.
00:28:32.000But the idea that politics is that dirty game ought to be banished from public life.
00:28:38.000It's really a cancer on the body politic that we would allow even ourselves to joke about it or to allow it.
00:28:47.000It's counter to everything the founders stood for, all of whom were noble men.
00:28:51.000Yeah, I have a contrarian opinion here.
00:28:53.000You might agree or disagree, Eric, but we kind of let this happen in a different sense.
00:28:57.000When you do not prosecute injustice, then again, problems that are not confronted multiply.
00:29:02.000When Peter Strzok and Lisa Page and Brennan and Clapper are able to do what they did, then why wouldn't they also execute the largest voter fraud operation in modern American history?
00:29:12.000If all of a sudden you're going to go after Dinesh D'Souza, Steve Bannon, Wayne Lapierre, Roger Stone, and every person that's ever had a conversation with President Trump, but you allow every single Democrat operative to run free, of course they're going to try to do stuff like this.
00:29:26.000And you're right, but I think that we have to realize that politics is just a reflection of the country that we live in.
00:29:33.000And when we do not go after the sort of widespread criminality in June, the taking down of the statues, the burning of our cities, of course, then they're going to cheat in elections.
00:29:44.000And this goes to something that Rudy Giuliani proved as mayor in the 1990s, which is the little bit of graffiti will be a murder tomorrow.
00:30:00.000Well, those same thugs are now going to try and fill out ballots to defeat the fascist that they just wanted to tear a statue down against.
00:30:18.000When you allow things to go on with a wink and you say, well, that's just the way it is.
00:30:23.000That ought not to be our point of view.
00:30:26.000When somebody breaks a window or sprays graffiti on something, you don't take the racist view and say, well, that's just how those people behave in that neighborhood.
00:30:41.000And then the next time they'll think twice about it.
00:30:44.000I think that, you know, that's called the broken windows theory.
00:30:47.000It was used by Rudy Giuliani to staggering effect in New York City.
00:30:52.000And de Blasio is undoing that as quickly as he can.
00:30:56.000But it is simply true, but it reflects the larger ideology, Charlie, that we were talking about.
00:31:03.000Is that when you kind of laugh at something or you turn it into a joke, how is it possible that you would allow LBJ or JFK to get away with this and then let this go on through the decades?
00:31:36.000And this has a cascading effect that only one thing feeds into the other.
00:31:40.000And then finally, we shouldn't act surprised when Republicans are almost paralyzed from prosecuting some of the stuff or fighting on the ballot issues because they want to be called, you know, because they're afraid they're going to be called racist.
00:31:53.000And that's what that's what that's what's happening in a lot of these cities, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Milwaukee, and Detroit.
00:31:59.000You have these board of supervisors, some of which are standing very strong, but you're not even allowed to look into the voting irregularities because they say, well, you know, why do you hate black people?
00:32:09.000And that's just not even close to the intention, nor is that even close to the result of any of the reasons why we're looking into this.
00:32:15.000And they have they excuse me, it's being looked into because we love black people.
00:32:25.000And that if you don't care about every American, you just let this stuff go.
00:32:30.000But look, we have a lot of cowards and we have a lot of people that they're just not, you know, they're not able to fight to fight these battles.
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00:33:58.000I still want to go back, Charlie, to the who.
00:34:02.000The idea that there are people, actual people behind this.
00:34:06.000We don't know yet, but I think that that's the bigger issue and that's the issue we have to deal with.
00:34:12.000It's one thing to figure out this election to figure out who won or rather to prove that Trump won, which it seems clear he did.
00:34:20.000It's another thing then to say, who is so cynical and so criminal that they would dare, that they would dare to try to steal an election from the American people who are the government.
00:34:33.000Let me ask you: people want to know if folks like you and me believe that Trump actually won.
00:34:43.000I had Dick Morris on this program the other day.
00:34:45.000He said, without question, he knows that Trump won.
00:34:49.000So the question, of course, becomes, how will this play out?
00:34:52.000If he won, how do we prove that he won?
00:34:56.000How do we force those opposing his victory to accept it?
00:35:03.000Yeah, there's a couple different buckets here.
00:35:05.000The first of which, without having to get to the U.S. Supreme Court, can there be some ruling or determination of spoiled ballots?
00:35:14.000For example, signature verification, ballots that weren't sorted properly, people that were not given access.
00:35:20.000That's a very high threshold to throw out ballots, but it's not impossible.
00:35:38.000That could actually be very favorable for President Trump, especially in Georgia and Pennsylvania.
00:35:43.000Those are the two states where things are really been mucked up, to be honest with you.
00:35:48.000They've really been kind of thrown together.
00:35:51.000We've been getting half answers, upload issues, people not given access.
00:35:55.000I would not be surprised if a court comes in, maybe the Supreme Court, and says, look, any of these backdated ballots are not going to be counted in the Pennsylvania election.
00:36:04.000That could change a lot of the outcome.
00:36:09.000The thing that all of us are waiting for, that we know exists, but whether or not we are in possession of that, which it exists, is what Sidney Powell is kind of teasing us with: is there verifiable evidence that you can present in front of a hostile judge that can show that the tabulation, the machinery, the Dominion voting systems was changing votes?
00:36:45.000And I remember when she was going on news channels just like that a year ago, and she was being ridiculed when people were saying, How can you possibly say that Michael Flynn was entrapped?
00:36:56.000And she said, Oh, just wait till the 302s come out.
00:37:44.000We call it hope because she now is getting a lot of people's hopes up, myself included, that there will be a massive revelation that could possibly order a revote.
00:37:55.000Now, Article 3 of the Constitution states clearly, and precedent shows, the Supreme Court can do basically whatever they want.
00:38:02.000The Supreme Court, because of past decisions that you and I disagree with when it comes to gay marriage and abortion, the Supreme Court basically can come in as a nine-person, you know, czarist branch and be like, revote.
00:39:11.000It's one of the greatest books written out, written in the last couple decades in general, let alone on World War II and Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
00:39:34.000And so we have to dismiss ourselves of thinking, we have to dismiss the thinking that they think they're trying to influence an election.
00:39:43.000They think they're trying to displace a dictator.
00:39:46.000And when you start to put on that sort of thinking cap, a lot of the stuff starts to make more sense of the lengths that they're willing to go to.
00:39:54.000That is a brilliant framing, Charlie, because, first of all, it's correct, but it's brilliant because I think we need to step back and understand what you just said.
00:40:05.000Most of these people, or at least many of them, are in fact, they're not cynical old timers like Joe Biden, who kind of with a wink and a nod, they've been getting through working the system.
00:40:20.000Many of these people are crusaders who do believe that Donald Trump is Hitler 2.0 and that they would be themselves morally disgusting not to do anything they can.
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