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00:00:38.000He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA. We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
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00:01:26.000AmericaFest is going to be the center of the political universe for four days.
00:01:31.000We have every major speaker, Steve Bannon, President Trump, and our next guest, Patrick Bett David, who's just one of my favorite people on the planet.
00:01:41.000He's an inspiration, and I love going on his show.
00:01:46.000He's the CEO of Valuetainment, host of the PBD Podcast, author of Your Next 5 Moods, and founder of an app that I'm using more and more called Manect, which I think we're going to talk about throughout this hour.
00:03:04.000I'm optimistic about the future that there is a place being built where fathers can send family, they can send their kids somewhere to say, go learn some of these values and guess what?
00:03:16.000You're going to meet potentially a girlfriend, a boyfriend, a friend, somebody to do business with.
00:03:21.000I'm so glad something like this exists with a guy like you that, you know, the stuff you did the last 12 months, I put you as a top five MVP. For 2024 election, I said that to you on the podcast and I'm saying it here.
00:03:32.000So yes, I mean, listen, if you've never been, do whatever you can to go to it.
00:04:51.000When you watch him in these interviews that he does, he is very poised the way he's answering, calculating, but very calm, respectful, not offended.
00:05:06.000Nothing gets under his skin, but he's very quick to hold the person accountable.
00:05:11.000And it's just a very different style of what he's doing.
00:05:14.000Very, very different style of what he's doing.
00:05:17.000Where everybody has to find a way that to get through the system, you have to be America first.
00:05:24.000If your name is Justin Trudeau, you're visiting Mar-a-Lago, you better be America first or else next week you're going to be resigning and being afraid that maybe a guy named Pierre is going to take over your job.
00:05:35.000And so he's calling you governor and saying, hey, Governor Trudeau, it was great to have you here.
00:05:40.000Why don't you become the 51st state and, you know, join us.
00:05:42.000If you're anybody, when he said 100 people called them.
00:05:45.000So let's kind of process this together from financial values and principles.
00:05:51.000So where's my confidence comes from values and principles.
00:05:55.000When you're around a lot of bullies, here's the profile of bullies.
00:05:59.000Bullies will typically bully lower level people.
00:06:03.000And they'll gradually try to climb up to bully Tier 2 people.
00:06:08.000And then when they graduate Tier 2, they'll do Tier 3. I'm like, wow, we were able to convince these guys that fully aligned.
00:06:16.000All right, let's go and go bully Tier 4s and Tier 5s.
00:06:20.000And then eventually, when you start getting a little bit higher, the guys that specialize in bullying bullies, they sit there and all of a sudden they say, listen, man, you just crossed the line.
00:07:08.000You got Joe Rogan who said he'll never have President Trump on his podcast, now sounding like he's 100% Trump on his podcast when you listen to it.
00:07:19.000You got Tulsi Gabbard who ran as a liberal, then all of a sudden just because Hillary Clinton didn't like her, she talks trans, you forced her out.
00:07:27.000You got one of the greatest last names of all time called Kennedy and you started calling him cuckoo and all these other things.
00:07:33.000You forced him to come up at an AmFest event, your event on stage, which was one of the most electrifying moments of 2024, captured by Turning Point USA. You did that.
00:08:00.000Now, financially, on the other side, I think if you think about what the enemy is going to be doing, you got to sit there and think about what the enemy and Obama's and the establishment and the guys behind closed doors, the guys that the faceless leaders that we don't know about, those guys are going to have to find a way to pin J.D. Vance.
00:08:19.000Against Eric and Laura, because they're another power couple that could maybe one day run.
00:08:23.000Against Vivek, against Elon, against Trump, against the family.
00:08:29.000They're playing behind closed doors, trying to find ways to be ways of getting under Trump's skin.
00:08:36.000Hey, you know, Elon Musk bought the presidency.
00:08:55.000The state of the Democrat Party, if you were to look at this just through business terms, is this a Democrat Party that is looking like they're going to revamp, to redo their marketing and their approach?
00:09:11.000Or do you think as if they're going to double and triple down on their belief system?
00:09:16.000You predict your book is the next five moves.
00:09:19.000What do you think is the Democrat Party's next move?
00:09:26.000Go ahead and double down and not learn from your mistakes.
00:09:29.000That's kind of like you got a seven-game series you're playing against another team in the World Series or basketball, and you see what plays they keep playing.
00:11:38.000I love what Peter Thiel said in this podcast.
00:11:40.000He says, you guys don't realize how important 2024 was because he says, I remember when Musk said, I believe 2024 will be the most monumental election of our lifetime.
00:11:51.000And he says, Peter's like, look, when I hear stuff like that, I'm kind of like, give me a flip and break.
00:13:48.000They're allowing AOC to be now a story of this guy, you know, hey, she may run for office in 2028. Election Day 2024 is in our rearview mirror and conservatives are fired up that President Trump heading back to the White House in January.
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00:14:59.000So, then you have Obama now sitting there allowing AOC to come in.
00:15:05.000So, let's just kind of play with the games.
00:15:14.000You see some guys right now seeing this as an opportunity that they're going after Rogan.
00:15:20.000And there are guys that were on Rogan four or five times, I won't say their names, four or five times, that now they're turning against Rogan and trashing Rogan.
00:15:28.000But the same people that were trashing Rogan were the same people that supported Bernie Sanders, but now Bernie Sanders supports Elon Musk.
00:15:40.000Look, this is not a small loss, Charlie.
00:15:43.000This is if the conservatives, if Trump and the folks that are working closely together, if they can stay united and fight privately, disagree privately, if they can do that, this is a 12-year run.
00:16:20.000A big part of that is delivering on the agenda.
00:16:23.000Part of it goes into something I want to dive deep in with you that we haven't had a chance to discuss, which is DOGE, the Department of Government Efficiency.
00:16:32.000You're one of the best business minds out there.
00:16:34.000For those that do not know, PBD started and sold a very successful company.
00:17:10.000You know, so when Doge is taking place, we've been talking about the concept of tariffs for a few years and you saw Mark Cuban coming out and say, well, you know, here's what you got to be careful with tariffs and, you know, protectionists and that's not the right way to go and we need free trade.
00:17:23.000And this is why this, and by the way, this conversation goes back to some people that are very big pro-Nixon.
00:17:29.000Nixon was one of the greatest presidents of all time and he did all this stuff.
00:17:32.000I mean, The argument could be a 50-50 argument.
00:17:35.000There's days that I sit there and I think Nixon did great.
00:17:37.000And there's days I sit there and I debate my own self saying, wait a minute, he strengthened China.
00:18:23.000All of a sudden, under a few, you know, whether you want to call Wilson or Truman, I mean, we'll go to Wilson, some of the presidents all of a sudden, like, hey, 1913. Let's introduce taxes.
00:19:27.000Do you know what the average revenue...
00:19:29.000Do you know how much U.S. government...
00:19:31.000I'm asking the listeners and the viewers, if I was to ask you right now, how much income did the U.S. revenue come in last year just from tariffs?
00:19:41.000You know what that number is on the $4 trillion?
00:20:23.000What if we can increase some of the prices?
00:20:25.000The question the average person needs to ask is, are you willing to entertain the idea of prices on goods going up 25-50% while taxes going to zero?
00:20:37.000By the way, this guy named Elon Musk, when he bought Twitter, you know what he did?
00:20:39.000It went from 7,500 employees to next week he fires half of them, 3,750.
00:20:45.000The 3,750 that quit called another 1,250 to quit.
00:20:48.000The guy went from 7,500 employees to 2,500 employees in around a month.
00:20:53.000So do you not think he, Bobby Vivek, can take the amount of employees we have and say, listen guys, All this stuff we're paying you, go find a job in the real world like everybody else.
00:21:02.000Look, I'm just happy the fact that we're looking at cutting spending and how we do that.
00:21:08.000I don't even know if we need 800 military bases around the world.
00:21:15.000I'm curious to know what their next 5, 10, 15 moves are going to be.
00:21:18.000But whatever we're doing, cutting spending is coming.
00:21:22.000And that's only an argument for us to be able to lower taxes for you and I. And so through the Department of Government Efficiency, you've gone into business before and you're able to identify waste, identify, let's just say, allocation of resources that are not efficient.
00:21:36.000One of the major issues that Doge is going to have, though, is dealing with the bureaucracy, actually being able to fire people, actually being able to lay them off.
00:21:44.000If you were to give them advice as an outsider, as an analytical thinker, How should they go about this?
00:21:49.000Because at some point they're going to get an injunction from a judge saying, you can't do this, you can't fire this.
00:21:54.000What is your open advice to Doge to make sure that they have a successful mission?
00:21:59.000Well, I like what Vivek said about two, three weeks ago where he said, we're going to need Congress, right?
00:22:03.000But think about it right now with what Elon showed just in the last few months with the amount of money that he put in different PACs.
00:22:12.000Imagine him, the stories you hear about that he stayed in Pennsylvania, I think you said for 45 days, I don't know what it was, whether I heard it from you or somebody else.
00:22:19.000This guy went and realized Pennsylvania was the state and he stayed there.
00:22:23.000How many people lived in Florida for the last few months just to make sure this election was going to be done with?
00:22:27.000I remember Tulsi saying, she hasn't been to Hawaii since April.
00:22:31.000That's what I remember her saying in an interview.
00:22:33.000We have plenty of true believers there, but they're going to need Congress.
00:23:35.000If you want us to keep continuing to do this, you have to make sure this person is going to prevent us from making this country more efficient.
00:23:43.000If you want us to get more efficient, you got to get somebody else to replace this house job seat that is an XYZ place.
00:23:49.000There's going to be a lot of power plays, Charlie.
00:23:52.000But the reality, American people told you what they want.
00:23:56.000Every single Congress, Senator, everybody I talked to, I'm going to tell them, don't forget what American people said.
00:24:02.000And if you actually go back and think about the sequencing of Elon, you look at him right now, every time he retweets a video or something he posts, all he has to say is very interesting.
00:24:42.000He's going to be around for a while and he has access to maybe the most important news station out there called X. So a lot of these Congress guys, they're going to need to play ball or else the American people are going to say, we need to find somebody else to do your job for you.
00:24:59.000I think that there's a whole paradigm shift in how we view politics in the art of the possible and all of our preconceived notions of the size and scope of government from how spending is done and appropriated.
00:25:13.000To just how we view our elected leaders, I think it's all changing.
00:25:17.000I think it's all changing, and that's because the media is changing itself.
00:25:21.000PPD, before we get into the media thing, I want to make sure we have an opportunity.
00:25:24.000Can you please educate our audience on MNECT? We have that on the lower third, MNECT.com.
00:27:22.000I was able to get to him by dialing his phone.
00:27:25.000Now that might be completely apeshit, and you're like, I can't believe people know this guy's phone number.
00:27:30.000But the reverse of that, if I were to want to connect with VP Harris or President Biden, there's 50 people between me and that.
00:27:40.000I could write a note that maybe could get to somebody to get somebody, then through Pony Express and a pigeon, something might end up in a mailbox near them.
00:27:48.000And I called DJT to say, yo, can I have an interview?
00:28:03.000I'm in a room and there's two different people debating whether you should be accessible to your insurance agents or whether you should seem like you're so busy that you're not accessible to create the aura of, oh my God, he's so busy you can never get a hold of me because this book called 40 Allows of Power and there's a heated debate going on.
00:28:22.000One girl says, nope, you got to be accessible.
00:28:24.000The other guy says, don't be accessible.
00:28:26.000You will spoil them because they can always get a hold of you.
00:28:29.000I went to the girl and I said, listen, man, I just think this is the right philosophy.
00:28:33.000We chose the philosophy of being accessible.
00:28:36.000Do you know how many opportunities you miss out on if you're not accessible?
00:29:18.000He'll pick up the phone and tell you no, but he's not afraid.
00:29:21.000And FYI, when Vanity Fair or a lot of these guys were calling us and asking us questions and saying, what do you think about this Manosphere, Podcast Bros, Barron Trump, all of this stuff that he's doing, you know, why would somebody go and campaign on podcasts?
00:30:59.000Arizona, he goes up to Carson City, ends with us in Vegas.
00:31:03.000Wakes up the next morning at 6 a.m., flies to Austin, does a press conference, does three hours sharp with Rogan, flies to Novi, Michigan, three hours late, ends at midnight, and flies down to Mar-a-Lago and holds court on the plane all the way until 3.30 a.m.
00:31:20.000Eastern, holding court, making phone calls, waking people up, getting things going.
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00:32:55.000Psychoanalyze people that have platoons of handlers and you can't deal direct.
00:33:01.000Listen, I do like that Susie Wiles, I believe she said, if you're going to let me do my job, you can't have an open door policy with the White House and you have to let me kind of protect it a little bit.
00:33:13.000So I do think there's extreme measures to that as well.
00:33:16.000So I kind of like the fact that there's a part of the strategy where some people do need to be filtered because They're wasting your time and they just want to take a picture and go back and say, hey, you know, so you need to do that part.
00:35:32.000By the way, the biggest factor with this, I'm not worried about the next four years.
00:35:37.000I'm looking at this as the next 20, 30, 40 years, okay?
00:35:41.000My hope is that the next guy or gal, while they're studying this case study of 2024, what they realize is, Nikki Haley, we invited her on the podcast, never showed up, okay?
00:36:39.000I mean, the buried lead of the McDonald's thing is that there was no guarantee that that was going to fly.
00:36:44.000It could have come across as really cringe.
00:36:46.000It could have been like a Dukakis 2.0.
00:36:49.000You have to be able to take the risks, play to win, And in some ways, you look at Trump 2020 versus 2024. Trump played to win way more in 2024. He had his back against the wall.
00:37:55.000And evidenced by, you know this PBD, and you probably coached this with all of the amazing people that come to you, is that you get energy that you didn't know you had when you're in flow state.
00:38:11.000With just Diet Cokes, Big Macs, and Happy Meats.
00:38:16.000So, PBD, being around the biggest CEOs, can you talk about how when you have aligned purpose, you are able to physically push yourself to places you never thought before?
00:38:26.000And I think President Trump embodied that.
00:38:28.000Because everyone marvels, they say, how does he do it?
00:38:41.000Yeah, so look, you'll find a lot of guys in business that are just brilliant, and so they make money because they're extremely intelligent and brilliant, right?
00:38:49.000And then you'll have guys that are brilliant, extremely intelligent, and they were offended and they have a certain drive to go to tell somebody, hey, I'm more successful than you.
00:38:59.000Then there's those guys that are strategic, that are in rooms and they can hear everybody talking to board and they'll say, I think we need to do this, this, that.
00:39:07.000Johnny, what do you think about what Billy just said?
00:39:13.000Those types of people behind closed doors, but it can do that.
00:39:16.000Then you got the connectors, the Charles Schwab type of guys that know how to go shake hands and build a relationship and raise billions of dollars of money.
00:39:23.000Those are all good strengths that you have.
00:39:25.000But there's one thing that is by far, Charlie, the most intimidating quality of an entrepreneur, founder, CEO, businessman, athlete, anybody want to talk about.
00:39:35.000There is not a quality more intimidating than this.
00:39:39.000Not one quality more intimidating than this.
00:39:42.000When you know you're going to compete with somebody...
00:39:45.000The person here who knows they have this quality, they know they're not going to stop.
00:39:52.000In business, I learned you can outwork people and you'll win.
00:39:55.000Then most people read 50 books, 100 books.
00:41:13.000I'm like, you're running a $110 billion company called Starbucks, give or take.
00:41:17.000What the hell do you mean don't call me after 6 p.m.?
00:41:20.000So at the time when this guy's the CEO of the company of Starbucks, $110 billion, he's only a CEO for 18 or 19 months.
00:41:26.000Somebody can correct me on this, but it's 18 or 19 months.
00:41:28.000Do you know in his time of being the CEO of Starbucks, Starbucks' valuation went from $110 billion, give or take, to roughly $70 billion.
00:41:36.000He lost $40 billion of valuation of Starbucks.
00:41:41.000Starbucks goes and hires a guy from a company called Chipotle.
00:41:44.000The CEO of Chipotle, this guy's a freak, I think his name is Brian Nichol.
00:41:48.000The CEO of Chipotle, who's been there for six years, during his six years there, he takes Chipotle from $7 billion in valuation to $71 billion in valuation.
00:41:59.000Nearly 10x, over 10x in the valuation of Chipotle.
00:42:03.000The day Starbucks hires and announces the new CEO, I think his pay package was like almost $200 million.
00:42:09.000Everybody's like, oh my God, what a highly paid CEO. Why would Starbucks pay this Brian Nickel guy $200 million?
00:42:53.000And I'm a tough guy, and I'm not going to let them do anything to my country.
00:42:57.000That outlasting your peers is so intimidating, and that's what Trump's got.
00:43:01.000There's so much more we could discuss here, but the last one I want to ask is the CEOs coming and kissing the ring.
00:43:07.000It feels different than 2017. Some of them did it in 2017, but it feels like this is a complete power realignment, that there's an understanding that Trump and his movement is here to stay, and that the Bezos, the Zuckerbergs, the Googles, that they want to be on the right side of this.
00:43:25.000It feels different than just, oh, I want to try to win Trump over for four years because I don't want the government to come after me.
00:43:31.000Am I right in sensing that it's deeper than that, PBD? You know what it's like?
00:43:36.000Let me kind of give it to you from this standpoint.
00:43:38.000A lot of us have been defending Trump for eight years.
00:44:33.000Some people started saying pro-Trump stuff after Trump won.
00:44:37.000So, for example, when Elon Musk is at the White House or Mar-a-Lago and Zuck shows up and you see the clip about Elon kind of like barking a little bit at Zuck.
00:44:53.000I put my ass on the line two years ago and look what they tried to do to me.
00:44:56.000Now you want to show up and you write that letter to Honorable Chair Jim Jordan, the fact that Biden and his administration bullied you a little bit and you take responsibility for it.
00:45:34.000I don't mind that Bezos is now coming and Bezos, you know, Elon tweets on and says, hey, did somebody tell me that Bezos was doing this?
00:45:40.000And then Bezos responds back to Elon and says, that's not true.
00:45:43.000I don't mind that Elon is pushing his weight and checking everybody and getting all of these guys to get in line and, you know, being held accountable.
00:45:51.000But it's also okay for some people to realize and say, look, I effed up.
00:46:23.000Tim Cook, do you realize how- We got to wrap, but it goes back to the same thing, which is like, how much of life is just being accessible, listening?