The Charlie Kirk Show - How Can Trump Beat Kamala In The Debate?

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00:01:15.000 This is the comprehensive debate prep hour with me is my co-pilot, Blake Neff.

00:01:20.000 Blake, how we doing?

00:01:21.000 Hello, Charlie.

00:01:22.000 So there's a debate tonight.

00:01:24.000 Kamala Harris, Donald Trump.

00:01:27.000 And there's a lot of questions of how President Trump should approach this and kind of what tone and what issues.

00:01:34.000 So I just want to first get your take on the stakes.

00:01:40.000 Is this the most important debate we've seen as far as it could break you?

00:01:43.000 We say that with every debate, but this one feels exceptionally important.

00:01:46.000 I'm going to disappoint you and say no, because I don't think if either candidate does badly, the stakes are not you have to drop out of the race, which that is what happened in the summer.

00:01:56.000 that Joe Biden going in, his campaign apparently thought an early debate would be a good idea.

00:02:02.000 And I bet some Democrats thought an early debate would be a good idea for other reasons.

00:02:07.000 And it was so bad, it destroyed his campaign and they literally had to slot in Kamala Harris.

00:02:12.000 I don't think the stakes can be that high.

00:02:14.000 I would say it's higher than the stakes in 2020, I believe.

00:02:19.000 It's maybe comparable to his first debate against Hillary Clinton, maybe in 2016, where

00:02:24.000 he really had to prove, I can go toe to toe with a Democrat candidate, make the case for

00:02:30.000 electing me.

00:02:32.000 And ultimately that did work out for him well enough.

00:02:34.000 And I think that's probably what we're looking at here.

00:02:36.000 So Kamala Harris is going to approach this as a prosecutor. 1.00

00:02:41.000 Is that fair to say, based on all reporting?

00:02:43.000 Is she confident in her abilities heading into this debate?

00:02:45.000 Well, she's definitely not confident.

00:02:47.000 I'm already enjoying the reporting we're seeing.

00:02:50.000 MSNBC says they were citing sources that say she's being coached to remain calm if Donald Trump starts insulting her, which is a very It's kind of a weak thing to be reporting.

00:03:04.000 She's being coached to not flip out, not melt down, not go off the handle.

00:03:09.000 And we know that's a concern with Kamala.

00:03:13.000 That's why she needed her emotional support, Tim Walz, at her first interview.

00:03:16.000 She's not great off the cuff.

00:03:18.000 She's not really that great under pressure.

00:03:21.000 She's not great unscripted.

00:03:24.000 And the most common word for Kamala Harris, if you ask independent voters, is unprepared.

00:03:30.000 So what they were asking, can we give opening statements?

00:03:33.000 Can we bring notes?

00:03:34.000 Everything her campaign was doing was screaming, we are nervous about sticking this candidate in an unstructured situation where anything can happen because she might not know how to respond to that. 1.00

00:03:46.000 So my guess is that the prep for Kamala is they're going to try to stuff as many pre-planned statements, pre-planned remarks into her.

00:03:55.000 How does Trump overcome that?

00:03:57.000 How do you short circuit that programming?

00:04:00.000 I think this might go against what a lot of people think, but a lot of people have talked about how he can get under her skin with insults or something.

00:04:10.000 I don't think that's the way to go.

00:04:11.000 I think this would actually be received the wrong way.

00:04:14.000 I think what you do is you really put her on the spot of the difficult juggling act of defending the Biden-Harris administration's record.

00:04:23.000 You come in and you just say, look, if you look at the polls, people say I did all of this better.

00:04:27.000 You say, Kamala, you were They called you the border czar, and you've let in 5% of the entire population of Haiti.

00:04:36.000 You say... Wait, is that right?

00:04:38.000 Yeah, about... I think there's about 400,000 to 500,000 Haitians have been encountered at the border or been flown in under that program.

00:04:47.000 We have just absorbed 5% of a country's population.

00:04:49.000 And what a country that we have absorbed it from.

00:04:53.000 I mean, you could not pick a worse country than Haiti on the planet.

00:04:56.000 Pretty much impossible, yeah.

00:04:57.000 So wait, so that—I have to interrupt you, Blake.

00:04:59.000 That's the first I've heard of that.

00:05:01.000 President Trump should say 6% of Haiti is now here. 0.99

00:05:05.000 He'll have to check the exact one.

00:05:06.000 I think it's about 5— Andrew says it's 5.9%.

00:05:09.000 So I saw that.

00:05:10.000 I shared that tweet with him.

00:05:11.000 It was 5.9, but someone says he was double counting some people.

00:05:15.000 So about 5%.

00:05:16.000 You can be safe.

00:05:17.000 He could say 6% and they'll have to fact check it and say 4% or something.

00:05:20.000 That's an extraordinary number.

00:05:22.000 It's a ton.

00:05:23.000 And you can say, you can imagine Trump, we're seeing things we've never seen before.

00:05:29.000 We've got, you know, burglar gangs from Chile who are looting houses here in Scottsdale and in California.

00:05:36.000 I'm sure he can say that.

00:05:38.000 There's probably sources on that.

00:05:40.000 He can say we have Venezuelan gangs taking over apartment buildings in Aurora, and he can say we have locals in Springfield, Ohio, where they've put 20,000 migrants who are saying they're beheading ducks in the local duck pond.

00:05:54.000 Imagine Trump saying, he's like, I'm standing up for- They're taking ducks out of the pond.

00:05:57.000 They're taking your duck pond. 0.53

00:05:58.000 I'm standing up for the people who want- But they say that's debunked, Blake.

00:06:01.000 They say it's all right-wing propaganda.

00:06:03.000 I think it'd actually be pretty workable if he goes in, maybe be careful and just say, you've got all these people in this town who are saying this.

00:06:11.000 They're saying that they're taking the ducks and they're killing the ducks.

00:06:13.000 Are they calling all the people of Springfield, Ohio liars? 0.89

00:06:17.000 Are they saying this black guy who went to the city council meeting and said they're cutting ducks and geese's head off? 0.93

00:06:23.000 Did that guy just make it up? 0.92

00:06:24.000 We have that tape, by the way.

00:06:25.000 We have that tape, and he should just say that.

00:06:28.000 If they want to go in and say that's debunked, good luck!

00:06:32.000 This is PlayCut 26.

00:06:32.000 This is it.

00:06:33.000 Let's PlayCut 26 here.

00:06:35.000 I think it's kind of odd that a guy like me has to come out from doing what I do on a daily basis to have fun, because I see what's going on in these streets.

00:06:42.000 And I see you guys just sitting up there in them comfy chairs and suits.

00:06:46.000 And I'm getting out here every day, and I'm broadcasting this, and you guys are just sitting up there in suits or something.

00:06:51.000 I really challenge you guys to get out here and do something.

00:06:54.000 These Haitians are running into trash cans, they're running into buildings, they're running They flipping cars in the middle of the street. 1.00

00:07:03.000 They're in the park, grabbing up ducks by they neck and cutting they head off and walking off with them. 0.98

00:07:09.000 And eating them, like... We gotta do something, bro.

00:07:13.000 It's kids out here getting hurt, like... Only reason I even went on here and said something about it is because somebody told me they walking from the school and a Haitian almost ran into them.

00:07:21.000 So, I mean, that's an all-you-can-eat buffet.

00:07:24.000 Exactly!

00:07:25.000 And so you could just—Daryl's like, okay, is that guy lying?

00:07:28.000 Are we not supposed to believe ordinary citizens who go up and testify about this?

00:07:33.000 Are you only allowed to say things happen if you have a pass from the New York Times or from CNN?

00:07:39.000 I think you have to be careful how you finesse it, because you don't want it to just make it sound like he's saying really unhinged stuff, but I think he's capable of doing that.

00:07:51.000 And I think if you're putting Kamala on the spot where she has to, off the cuff, try to defend her record and her administration's record, She's going to have a tough time. 0.98

00:08:03.000 She's going to try to say, you know, she's definitely going to try to fear monger a lot about Trump.

00:08:08.000 She'll try to say Project 2025.

00:08:10.000 She'll try to say convicted felon.

00:08:12.000 And all he has to do is come out and say, look, they can, you can fear monger all you want.

00:08:17.000 I was president before.

00:08:20.000 Was it the end of the world?

00:08:21.000 No.

00:08:23.000 If you look at the polls, people say it was better.

00:08:25.000 They were richer.

00:08:25.000 They were happier.

00:08:26.000 The country was more stable.

00:08:27.000 The border was more secure.

00:08:28.000 Inflation was lower.

00:08:29.000 He can say all of that.

00:08:31.000 And you guys have to say Project 2025 because Project 2021 has been a four-year catastrophe for you.

00:08:38.000 I like that.

00:08:38.000 That's a good one.

00:08:39.000 I should give credit.

00:08:40.000 Endwokeness on Twitter used the Project 2021 formulation.

00:08:42.000 Do we know who runs that account, by the way?

00:08:44.000 There are conspiracy theories, as they say.

00:08:46.000 Oh, we don't know?

00:08:47.000 I don't know.

00:08:48.000 He's a smart person.

00:08:51.000 And he just says, you guys have been a disaster, and you can say you guys have inflation, and all you can do is throwback and fearmonger about me when I think the American people know better.

00:09:04.000 This is a race between two people who have been president. 0.98

00:09:06.000 Me, because I was literally president, and you, because your president is a vegetable.

00:09:11.000 So they say that one-third of Springfield, Ohio is now Haitian. 0.97

00:09:15.000 I think a quarter is probably closer, but I mean, it's still insane.

00:09:19.000 It was about 59,000 people, I think, in the 2020 census, and 15,000 to 20,000 Haitian migrants have been settled there in four years!

00:09:30.000 Four years!

00:09:31.000 And the people of Springfield aren't putting up with it, but it's happening via force and decree, correct?

00:09:38.000 I don't know the exact pattern, I assume it's probably a mixture of... It feels like a federal government relocation program.

00:09:43.000 Yeah, I haven't looked at it specifically.

00:09:45.000 I assume there's some, you know, there might be charities involved, there might be some sort of resettlement scheme, and then after a while this just gets momentum, that the Haitians who arrive want to go where there are other Haitians, and so they keep going to the same spot. 0.64

00:09:58.000 You see this with a lot of towns across the U.S., where you'll get local communities that are all from the same spot.

00:10:04.000 Some of them are really funny, and you know, we've had Armenians in Glendale, California, for example.

00:10:08.000 Yeah, or even just illegals.

00:10:10.000 I think 30,000 people from Mauritania have moved here across Biden's border.

00:10:14.000 30,000 people?

00:10:15.000 Something like that.

00:10:16.000 This is literally the dumping ground of the third world. 0.98

00:10:18.000 Yeah, it is total open season, and I think if Trump can drive that home, not just with general numbers, but with vivid imagery.

00:10:26.000 That's why you want to talk about the duck pond.

00:10:28.000 You talk about gangsters taking over this apartment and menacing people with guns.

00:10:32.000 You really drive home, this is the catastrophe that Kamala created.

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00:11:44.000 I will give our Twitter account credit, Blake.

00:11:46.000 I think we legitimized this entire eating the duck thing.

00:11:49.000 Yeah, I started seeing it, and then I remember sending it to you guys.

00:11:52.000 I'm like, this seems like a big deal, guys.

00:11:54.000 And then by Monday, we're like, is this the number one issue of the campaign?

00:11:57.000 No, it is.

00:11:58.000 By the way, if you type in Charlie Kirk to Google Alert News, every article says, started with Charlie Kirk on Twitter.

00:12:04.000 And by the way, it was End Wokeness first, but we definitely did our thing where we kind of went up and it just, we viralized it.

00:12:13.000 Is that a word?

00:12:14.000 The press is so shoddy, too.

00:12:15.000 They're coming out and they're like, these are false claims.

00:12:17.000 Guys, you gotta be careful saying things are false.

00:12:20.000 They just mean, okay, do we have a photo of a cat?

00:12:24.000 Well, we have a photo of a Haitian with a dead dog.

00:12:25.000 Yeah!

00:12:27.000 And we have, like, we have accounts from people, like, if someone committed murder, I'm pretty sure eyewitness testimony would be considered evidence.

00:12:34.000 Yeah, yeah, that guy shot him.

00:12:36.000 Okay, so I want to get into, um, let's play 59, then I want to give you my theory.

00:12:41.000 Play cut 59.

00:12:44.000 Ohio is facing a significant housing crisis as thousands of Haitian migrants have arrived on their doorstep because of the federal government.

00:12:52.000 The Haitian migrant population in the city has skyrocketed to an estimated 50 to 20,000.

00:12:58.000 That is about one third of the city's entire population.

00:13:03.000 So look, Haitians in Chile have long been eating cats. 1.00

00:13:06.000 Remember, Haiti is known for cannibalism and voodoo and really weird stuff. 1.00

00:13:09.000 It's not a great country. 0.88

00:13:11.000 It's a bad country. 0.61

00:13:12.000 It's a bad country.

00:13:14.000 Not that it's bad people.

00:13:16.000 I know Haitians I've met in Florida.

00:13:18.000 They're fine.

00:13:18.000 I've said that the entire time.

00:13:20.000 Haiti is objectively not a good country.

00:13:21.000 It is really bad.

00:13:23.000 I think, was it Conan O'Brien who made the shirt, Haiti is already great?

00:13:27.000 Well, at least 5% of Haiti, just in the last four years, strongly disagreed with that sentiment.

00:13:33.000 I would encourage anyone who says Haiti is great, just, Andrew has visited Haiti, and people I have, they say it's unlike anywhere else in the world.

00:13:39.000 It is dark, it is satanic, it is filled with bad, bad things.

00:13:46.000 It is not good.

00:13:48.000 Okay, so here's my theory on the debate.

00:13:49.000 That Kamala Harris might try the prosecutor thing, but she might do a curveball. 1.00

00:13:54.000 She might do the Christine Ballsy Ford thing. 1.00

00:13:57.000 Where she acts like she's very young and innocent and kind of tries to draw sympathy.

00:14:04.000 Or do you think she's gonna try to make herself seem bigger? 1.00

00:14:07.000 How would she do that, you think?

00:14:08.000 Well, like, that little girl was me, type moment.

00:14:11.000 Because we've seen that in her portfolio of debate tactics before. 0.99

00:14:15.000 For example, with abortion.

00:14:16.000 What if she says she had an abortion? 0.99

00:14:19.000 Whoa.

00:14:20.000 I don't know if she did.

00:14:20.000 I'm just saying, maybe she's been holding it, right?

00:14:24.000 It'd be interesting.

00:14:25.000 Even if it was made up, how do you prove otherwise?

00:14:28.000 And it would be the number one.

00:14:30.000 And she'd be like, I got an abortion. 1.00

00:14:32.000 What do you have to say about that, Mr. President?

00:14:34.000 That, what do you say?

00:14:36.000 I'm hypothesizing, because right now the campaign is not going the best for them right now.

00:14:41.000 Why not throw that Hail Mary?

00:14:44.000 That would be wild.

00:14:45.000 It would also be a plot point they stole from House of Cards. 0.69

00:14:48.000 Or say something like, I brought a girl to an abortion when she had a rape, and I'll never forget it. 0.95

00:14:54.000 Or something personalized.

00:14:56.000 That little girl was me, is the Ballsy Ford wrinkle of her debate. 0.83

00:15:02.000 If you look at her debate history, she's a poor debater unless she goes there. 1.00

00:15:06.000 And she makes it personal, and she makes it intimate.

00:15:08.000 And something she can recite.

00:15:10.000 Yes.

00:15:10.000 So what I'm saying is, I hope President Trump, and I've told his team, be ready for the curveball personal.

00:15:16.000 And don't discount it if it happens.

00:15:19.000 Let's play this out, Blake.

00:15:20.000 Let's say I'm Kamala Harris, and I say, I had an abortion.

00:15:24.000 Again, I don't know if she did or not.

00:15:25.000 Who knows?

00:15:26.000 How would you respond to that?

00:15:30.000 Well, obviously, you can pivot back to the, you know, I'm a supporter of a democracy.

00:15:34.000 Like, I've made it so every state can vote the way they want on this.

00:15:39.000 It's a toughie, isn't it?

00:15:40.000 It's a tough one.

00:15:41.000 It's a tough one.

00:15:42.000 I think it would be hard for her to do because the when you can always get away with that is when they say, like, I had an abortion, but that was what was best for the kids I already had or the kids I would have in the future.

00:15:53.000 It wasn't the right time.

00:15:54.000 But Kamala is literally childless. 0.99

00:15:56.000 I know, but the response could be if I think the right response is President Trump can say, look, I know a lot of other people that got abortions and it's now left to the states, and so that's your story.

00:16:08.000 Like, totally downplay it and just kind of dismiss it.

00:16:11.000 Or, you know, I know a lot of people who've got it, a lot of them regret it, some of them not so much.

00:16:18.000 You can imagine him saying it that way.

00:16:21.000 And then it's left to the states.

00:16:23.000 That's a hypothetical.

00:16:24.000 I don't know if she's going to do that.

00:16:25.000 I think that's a low likelihood.

00:16:28.000 But what I'm getting at is there is definitely a Kamala Harris sob story waiting to happen.

00:16:33.000 For sure, for sure.

00:16:34.000 The Christine Ballsy Ford where she acts like, well, I was a little girl and people like you are what my mom warned us about. 1.00

00:16:45.000 Something like that.

00:16:46.000 I feel like she would end up screwing this up.

00:16:48.000 She would say, like, she grew up and her favorite word was democracy and then he's destroying democracy.

00:16:52.000 Here's the thing about debates, though, is that there's a very high, there's a low cost to lying because by the time the fact checkers get it out, it's very, you know what I'm saying?

00:17:02.000 She could just make something up.

00:17:04.000 There is a limit to that, though, I think.

00:17:07.000 If it's too sensational.

00:17:08.000 If it's flagrantly made up and everyone's like, why did you never mention this before 2019?

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00:18:20.000 I don't want to go too far in this, but what if Trump says, I wish you would have kept

00:18:22.000 the baby?

00:18:23.000 Whoa.

00:18:24.000 I'm kidding.

00:18:26.000 Again, this is very, this is a hypothetical.

00:18:28.000 I'm just trying to, because you and I enjoy rhetoric coaching and all this.

00:18:31.000 Yeah, I just, I wish, I think you would have been a great mom, Kamala.

00:18:35.000 That's probably the right answer.

00:18:38.000 Mamala?

00:18:40.000 I'm telling you, but we brag on Trump's instincts.

00:18:44.000 We're going to play, we're going to play some tape here of that.

00:18:47.000 That would be a toughie, right?

00:18:48.000 Can Trump, could Trump do the same thing the other way with a personal story?

00:18:52.000 What if he, I don't know, this is so outside his wheelhouse it probably wouldn't happen.

00:18:56.000 But like, you know, if he talked about how it felt to get shot at and the way he did.

00:19:01.000 Especially if she came at him with the January 6th stuff or with the attack.

00:19:07.000 I think if he does not mention getting shot, it's one of the great misses.

00:19:12.000 Second greatest miss of this campaign.

00:19:13.000 Well, of course.

00:19:14.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:19:15.000 But I'm saying, come on, you got shot.

00:19:16.000 Play it up a little bit.

00:19:17.000 Yeah, so imagine she comes at him and she says, you know, you, you, you're a felon.

00:19:22.000 You got prosecuted all this way.

00:19:23.000 January 6th, you attacked our democracy.

00:19:24.000 And he's just like, I'm not, I'm not attacking our democracy.

00:19:27.000 I'm a big believer in our democracy.

00:19:29.000 That's why I'm running again.

00:19:31.000 Cause I want to, I want to fix all the bad things you're doing by running for president again.

00:19:36.000 And you're the guys who, because I was so successful in my first term, you didn't want to run against me, so you came up with these four separate charges.

00:19:45.000 They were all bogus.

00:19:47.000 And when that didn't work, you whipped people into a frenzy until one of your psychos shot at me.

00:19:54.000 And even that, I'm going to keep going.

00:19:55.000 I'm going to keep going because I believe so much in what we can do for America.

00:20:00.000 You know, he says his whole spiel there.

00:20:01.000 Let's get into just some previous debate moments where Trump was at his best.

00:20:05.000 I think you and I both agree the way he handled abortion with Hillary in 2016 was one of the best.

00:20:10.000 Let's play Cut 51.

00:20:11.000 This is the energy that we want from President Trump.

00:20:13.000 Play 51.

00:20:14.000 With what Hillary is saying, in the ninth month, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb of the mother, just prior to the birth of the baby. 0.62

00:20:25.000 Now, you can say that that's okay, and Hillary can say that that's okay, but it's not okay with me.

00:20:33.000 Because based on what she's saying and based on where she's going and where she's been, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month.

00:20:43.000 On the final day.

00:20:45.000 And that's not acceptable.

00:20:46.000 Your thoughts on that tone when it comes to the abortion topic?

00:20:49.000 Because she's going to go all in on abortion, but I think anytime there is a topic that doesn't favor President Trump, let's say it's January 6 or whatever, do 10 seconds on it, then pivot to immigration or the economy.

00:21:02.000 And I think he handled it great in his first debate with Biden, where he just, he doesn't concede, he's not scared of it.

00:21:09.000 And what would really hit a lot of Republicans, Mitt Romney, Bush before, they would be very scared of the issue.

00:21:16.000 And instead, Trump has that counter-puncher energy.

00:21:20.000 He can just say, you know, like, I got these great Supreme Court justices, I got this great ruling, we got rid of this bad, you know, we made it a choice of the states, and it's the Democrats who are the big radicals on that.

00:21:32.000 And I don't know, it's not gonna make abortion in this cycle a winner for Republicans.

00:21:36.000 You just have to go to a draw.

00:21:37.000 Yeah, just gotta go to a draw, just gotta minimize the damage.

00:21:39.000 Or within the margin of error.

00:21:40.000 Yeah, and you just say, and you have to bring this up because you have nothing else to run on.

00:21:47.000 That's right.

00:21:47.000 I think that's right.

00:21:48.000 I think you say, you keep on bringing this up, and by the way, I think if abortion comes up, say, here's my stance, but every commercial you're running is about this topic, because you can't run on the economy immigration.

00:21:58.000 I think even people that are pro-abortion, Blake, can sympathize with the fact that there are other issues at play in this election than just abortion.

00:22:06.000 Yeah, he could even say, for those who are worried about it, that's on the ballot in a bunch of states.

00:22:11.000 It's on the ballot in Florida, it's on the ballot in Arizona.

00:22:14.000 Go vote how you feel about that.

00:22:17.000 I think that's Trump's position, he may as well say it that way.

00:22:19.000 Vote your conscience on that one.

00:22:22.000 You guys are trying to make it the number one issue in this presidential race, when what I did is I took it out of the presidential race.

00:22:29.000 You don't have to make your election just on this.

00:22:31.000 So instead, we can vote based on what you did on the border, a disaster, what you did on inflation, a disaster, what you did in Afghanistan, a disaster, so on.

00:22:38.000 Let's play Cut 54 here.

00:22:40.000 Cut 54 is from the 2020 debate where President Trump was largely considered to not win this debate.

00:22:48.000 Is that fair to say, Blake, the first one?

00:22:51.000 The first one against Biden?

00:22:52.000 Yeah.

00:22:52.000 Yes.

00:22:53.000 Yeah.

00:22:53.000 It was probably his worst head-to-head debate that we've seen.

00:22:56.000 Did you use the word smart?

00:22:56.000 Let's play Cut 54.

00:23:00.000 So you said you went to Delaware State, but you forgot the name of your college.

00:23:04.000 You didn't go to Delaware State.

00:23:05.000 You graduated either the lowest or almost the lowest in your class.

00:23:09.000 Don't ever use the word smart with me.

00:23:12.000 Don't ever use that word.

00:23:13.000 So that did not rate well.

00:23:15.000 Didn't work great.

00:23:16.000 It was it was a few things.

00:23:19.000 I think what happened that was bad was we had all this hype.

00:23:23.000 Joe Biden was really old that he was senile and obviously we know he was well deep into decline at that point but he was still good enough to stand on a debate stage.

00:23:35.000 And they kind of drank too much of the Kool-Aid where they thought you can just attack him really aggressively.

00:23:39.000 He interrupted a lot.

00:23:40.000 We didn't see it in that clip, but he would interrupt a bunch during that debate.

00:23:44.000 And it was so easy for Biden to just sort of look exasperated and, you know, kind of like, who is this child who is on stage with me?

00:23:51.000 A lot of smiling, a lot of, you know.

00:23:52.000 Yeah, he would smile.

00:23:53.000 Yeah.

00:23:53.000 I mean, like, come on.

00:23:55.000 I remember the one that I remember is where he just starts shaking his head.

00:23:55.000 Right.

00:23:58.000 He's just like, you're the worst president in American history.

00:24:01.000 Like, just it was kind of resigned.

00:24:04.000 Yeah, it was so resigned.

00:24:05.000 It was just why do we have to go through this charade of a debate?

00:24:08.000 And it was very damaging to Trump, who had a lot that he could run on.

00:24:12.000 He had a lot that he'd accomplished by that point.

00:24:15.000 And instead, it was all of his kind of his worst impulses on the debate stage to Really, you know, he could really nitpick at people's

00:24:23.000 weaknesses and vulnerabilities, but that wasn't the way to go with Biden in that debate

00:24:28.000 And he improved in the next two debates and made it a lot closer than I think it would have otherwise been and even

00:24:32.000 with that Blake the election was remarkably close insanely close

00:24:36.000 insanely close when you consider everything they threw into that election the

00:24:41.000 Zuckerboxes the universal mail-in voting with like no signature verification. No ID check. No nothing

00:24:49.000 Mass censorship on Twitter, on Facebook, on YouTube.

00:24:53.000 And the just truly universal intensity that they were not going to let Donald Trump win again.

00:25:00.000 And, like, the social revolution America was going through at that point, people were terrified.

00:25:06.000 It felt like the end of the country, the end of the world.

00:25:09.000 And for all of that, it was that close.

00:25:13.000 42,000 ballots.

00:25:14.000 42,000 ballots.

00:25:15.000 42,000 scraps of paper in three states.

00:25:17.000 And so what does that say about either the debate or the base?

00:25:22.000 I mean, there's a lot of theories as to why the polling miss was that much, but it goes to show that Probably.

00:25:28.000 If Trump does okay, he'll be in a driver's position post this debate.

00:25:33.000 I think so.

00:25:33.000 Probably.

00:25:34.000 Again, there's so much that can change.

00:25:35.000 We already see the narrative.

00:25:36.000 And there's no sentencing.

00:25:37.000 Yeah, there's no sentencing.

00:25:38.000 They have nothing else.

00:25:39.000 That's why they might be more likely to try what you suggested with Kamala is I think they were looking to that as their big opportunity to frame the race, and now the debates are kind of all they got.

00:25:50.000 And right now the narrative is shifting that Brat Summer is over, Kama Lamentum is waning, her convention bounce wasn't that big.

00:25:58.000 Polling is definitely tightening.

00:25:59.000 Polling is tightening, and there's probably still a bit of that convention bounce such as it was there, so it might even retract further.

00:26:06.000 And I think there's a real thought of what can Kamala do to really reverse this?

00:26:11.000 I think everything about her was just the energy of her first getting into the race.

00:26:15.000 Okay, Biden's out.

00:26:17.000 We have the new person.

00:26:18.000 We have the memes about her.

00:26:20.000 But she's not a person who generates new enthusiasm.

00:26:23.000 We saw that in 2019.

00:26:23.000 That's exactly right.

00:26:24.000 Bursts out one debate performance and it's just a total implosion from there.

00:26:29.000 She's not a person who She recovers from setbacks great.

00:26:33.000 No, she is a sugar-high candidate. 1.00

00:26:35.000 By definition, there's a taper.

00:26:36.000 Yeah, whereas Donald Trump, he's like indestructible.

00:26:38.000 He'll do a thing and everyone's like, ugh, Trump's done forever.

00:26:41.000 He's over now.

00:26:41.000 He'll never, the walls are closing in, and he bounces back.

00:26:45.000 It's like nothing ever happened, and he's very robust like that.

00:26:49.000 He'll do new things that'll shake up the race, and he can come back from anything that harms him. 0.64

00:26:55.000 Kamala, I don't think we've seen any evidence.

00:26:57.000 We've seen evidence she can survive.

00:26:58.000 She'll run a tough AG race and eke out a win by 1%. 1.00

00:27:01.000 In California.

00:27:02.000 In California.

00:27:04.000 But I don't think we've ever seen a case where Kamala is down bad and her reputation is in the dumps and she does a big search. 0.98

00:27:12.000 Yeah, so that's an interesting thing.

00:27:13.000 I don't want to get too cocky.

00:27:14.000 For sure.

00:27:15.000 You know that.

00:27:16.000 I'm very careful.

00:27:17.000 But I say that if she starts to get structurally down, it'll be very difficult for her to reverse momentum.

00:27:25.000 Is that probably true at this late stage?

00:27:28.000 Think of what we already know about how Kamala runs an office when her vice presidential office starts running into trouble. 0.98

00:27:34.000 She starts belittling her subordinates, firing them or driving them out. 0.92

00:27:39.000 She's not a person who responds great to adversity, and we can see that with how they're planning for this debate.

00:27:45.000 Oh, can we please have everything be scripted, have everything planned in advance?

00:27:49.000 I think there's a real chance that if she even feels she's down in this debate, she might start Cracking up a little bit.

00:27:57.000 And so don't force it.

00:27:59.000 Don't overreach.

00:28:01.000 Just know that if you're doing pretty well and you get her feeling a little shaky, I think opportunity will generate itself.

00:28:08.000 And if this doesn't come out looking like a win, if there's any narrative at all that Kamala didn't dominate it, she'll be neurotic about this.

00:28:15.000 And it doesn't necessarily have to be that big.

00:28:16.000 We also know from the press, they've reported on this, Kamala, she watches Fox News.

00:28:21.000 She watches Fox and Friends, watches The Five, and she would get upset as Vice President when they would say bad things about her and say she's not doing great.

00:28:31.000 So we know the room is there for Kamala to notice people not being impressed with her, thinking she flubbed this thing, and it gets inside of her head.

00:28:40.000 And I think we have such a pattern here, it'll probably keep happening.

00:28:45.000 Yeah, and so how does he strike the balance between being too intense and yet kind of being a pushover?

00:28:53.000 What moment comes to your memory where he was at his best?

00:28:56.000 Let me play a couple pieces of tape here.

00:28:57.000 Let me play this.

00:28:58.000 This is probably too intense, okay?

00:29:01.000 Play cut 55.

00:29:03.000 One of the things people love about you is you speak your mind and you don't use a politician's filter.

00:29:08.000 However, that is not without its downsides, in particular when it comes to women. 1.00

00:29:13.000 You've called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals. 0.99

00:29:20.000 Your Twitter account- Only Rosie O'Donnell. 1.00

00:29:23.000 No, it wasn't.

00:29:31.000 Probably too intense?

00:29:32.000 Ah, it was a primary debate.

00:29:33.000 That was amazing.

00:29:34.000 No, I know, but primary Trump versus general Trump are two different things, right?

00:29:37.000 True enough, true enough.

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00:30:43.000 Let me play this one here.

00:30:44.000 This is President Trump with Joe Biden.

00:30:47.000 Probably the right tone here.

00:30:49.000 Let's go to cut 56 at one of the implosions of Joe Biden.

00:30:51.000 Play cut 56.

00:30:53.000 Thank you, President Biden.

00:30:54.000 with the COVID, excuse me, with dealing with everything we have to do with, uh, look, if

00:31:04.000 we finally beat Medicare.

00:31:07.000 Thank you, President Biden.

00:31:08.000 President Trump was right.

00:31:10.000 He did beat Medicaid, beat it to death.

00:31:13.000 So that gentle touch.

00:31:15.000 We should not expect an implosion like that tonight.

00:31:17.000 For sure, for sure.

00:31:19.000 Never go in expecting your opponent to blow up, because if it happens, you're probably not going to cause it.

00:31:23.000 She almost assuredly will do okay.

00:31:25.000 Yeah, she'll have... She is a... 1.00

00:31:28.000 A diligent person overall.

00:31:30.000 She ran a prosecutor's office.

00:31:32.000 She's been studying this for weeks.

00:31:35.000 She stopped campaigning for about a week to prep for this.

00:31:37.000 Sound familiar?

00:31:39.000 They're coming in.

00:31:41.000 They'll be ready to do stuff.

00:31:43.000 And I will say, Kamala is a bad candidate. 0.99

00:31:46.000 I think her campaign is run by smart people. 0.99

00:31:49.000 They have made what I think are the correct strategic choices.

00:31:52.000 David Plouffe.

00:31:52.000 Yeah.

00:31:53.000 So, President Trump is best on the economy, on immigration.

00:31:57.000 Mike's being off.

00:31:59.000 Advantage who?

00:32:01.000 I think it's advantaged Trump again.

00:32:02.000 I think he, once again, they thought this would be a big advantage because they were annoyed, like the left asked for this because they were annoyed at Trump interrupting so much.

00:32:02.000 I think so.

00:32:12.000 But I think this actually, it curbs a bad habit that Trump has of maybe interrupting too much when it's not always helpful.

00:32:20.000 And instead it puts them in a position where they've had these weak, empty-suit candidates

00:32:24.000 who are not fountains of charisma, either due to age in Biden's case or innate infirmity

00:32:30.000 in Kamala's case. 0.87

00:32:32.000 And it says, hey, you get two minutes.

00:32:35.000 Explain why you're hot stuff.

00:32:37.000 And I think Kamala's going to struggle with that. 1.00

00:32:41.000 And Trump is still a clever enough guy that even with the mics off in that little split

00:32:45.000 second where, you know, they finish and it goes to him, he's ready to go with something.

00:32:48.000 We saw that with the Biden clips, you know, beat it to death, that sort of stuff.

00:32:53.000 He'll get his viral comments in, but he won't try to browbeat her in a way that I think

00:33:00.000 would be received badly.

00:33:01.000 And it would give it would certainly give the press an excuse to say that he lost bad

00:33:05.000 just using that.

00:33:07.000 And it would I think would leave his supporters put off a little bit.

00:33:10.000 I remember the first debate in 2020.

00:33:13.000 A lot of conservatives were at debate night parties, and they were They were not happy with the results of it.

00:33:19.000 I was talking to them.

00:33:20.000 They were leaving early.

00:33:21.000 They were super disappointed.

00:33:23.000 I think.

00:33:23.000 Remember he had COVID too.

00:33:24.000 Yeah.

00:33:25.000 I think Mike's off.

00:33:27.000 Make your case.

00:33:28.000 You have two minutes why you're right on the border.

00:33:30.000 And then I imagine Trump is just able to give a way better answer about that on the border, on the economy, on foreign policy, on a whole bunch of stuff.

00:33:38.000 And Kamala's going to be left trying to call him a felon and say, I love abortion. 1.00

00:33:43.000 Yeah, and that was my tweet I said right now.

00:33:45.000 Trump needs to be ready for a Kamala bombshell today. 0.95

00:33:47.000 Is she going to say she had an abortion, that she was raped, maybe a family member? 0.92

00:33:50.000 Her best and only memorable moment in 2019 was that little girl was me when she personalized the debate. 0.99

00:33:55.000 Her campaign is a sinking ship.

00:33:56.000 The honeymoon is over.

00:33:57.000 She needs a jolt. 1.00

00:33:57.000 What does she have planned? 1.00

00:33:58.000 Trump must be ready. 0.99

00:33:59.000 I think outside of either President Trump using a name to call, outside of President Trump calling her a nasty pig or something. 0.96

00:34:10.000 Outside of her, it's going to be a draw. 0.94

00:34:12.000 These things usually go to a draw.

00:34:14.000 Yeah, most debates, they get a lot of viewers, but they don't shift things too much.

00:34:18.000 Very often the person who does best in the first one comes back in the second one.

00:34:22.000 We saw that in 2012.

00:34:22.000 We saw that in 2004.

00:34:25.000 We saw it in 2016, I think.

00:34:26.000 I think Trump's best debates were the later two.

00:34:29.000 So the final kind of component of this is how the media will present it, no matter what the media is going to say that Kamala won.

00:34:37.000 For sure, for sure.

00:34:38.000 There won't be a Biden moment.

00:34:40.000 Yeah.

00:34:41.000 Even with the Biden one, there was like a half-hearted attempt where everyone was like, well, Biden was confused because Trump was lying so much.

00:34:52.000 That's what took him off.

00:34:53.000 The moderators, the woman from ABC, she's not a good person. 1.00

00:34:57.000 She's the one from the National Association of Black Journalists.

00:35:00.000 Do you think that could be an issue?

00:35:01.000 ABC is literally run by Kamala's old friend.

00:35:05.000 I'm surprised this isn't brought up by the media more, but it's a factor.

00:35:08.000 Which one?

00:35:09.000 It's at Disney.

00:35:10.000 She has ABC in her portfolio.

00:35:12.000 I can't remember her name, but she's old friends with the Kamala and her husband.

00:35:17.000 Should President Trump call her Madam Vice President?

00:35:21.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:35:22.000 Remind people she is the Vice President of the United States.

00:35:24.000 Or Vice President Harris.

00:35:25.000 Just always say Vice President.

00:35:27.000 I wouldn't go like, you're secretly the real President.

00:35:30.000 I know that's popular on the right.

00:35:32.000 I think that would just sound a little too weird.

00:35:34.000 Why don't you just say, you're the Vice President to this disastrous admin.

00:35:38.000 Final thoughts?

00:35:39.000 It's gonna be a big night.

00:35:40.000 It's a big night.

00:35:41.000 And we'll be streaming right here.

00:35:42.000 Of course.

00:35:42.000 For everyone to watch.

00:35:43.000 Of course.

00:35:43.000 It's gonna be great.

00:35:44.000 Before, a little bit during, and after.

00:35:47.000 I just love these nights.

00:35:48.000 I'm excited for all of them.

00:35:49.000 You're kind of built for it, right?

00:35:51.000 I want to win, Charlie.

00:35:53.000 We have to say that we have to prevent the ducks from being slaughtered.

00:35:56.000 Save the ducks! 0.69

00:35:57.000 Save our ponds!

00:35:58.000 As an organ fan, I just think this is great.

00:36:00.000 Exactly. 0.97

00:36:01.000 Enough of the duck genocide happening because of the Haitians. 1.00

00:36:04.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:05.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:07.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - September 10, 2024

How Can Trump Beat Kamala In The Debate?

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