The Charlie Kirk Show - How Charlie Learned to ‘STOP, in the Name of God’

00:00:03.000 My name is Charlie Kirk.

00:00:05.000 I run the largest pro-American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic.

00:00:11.000 My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth.

00:00:14.000 If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable.

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00:00:39.000 I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade.

00:00:41.000 Most important decision I ever made in my life.

00:00:43.000 And I encourage you to do the same.

00:00:45.000 Here I am.

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00:00:48.000 Buckle up, everybody.

00:00:49.000 Here we go.

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00:01:09.000 please put your hands together to give a warm welcome for Ivan Raj and Charlie Kirk.

00:01:20.000 Hello, everybody.

00:01:30.000 How is everyone doing?

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00:01:37.000 All right, Charlie, thank you so much for accepting our invitation to participate at our conference, Will You Be Made Whole?

00:01:46.000 And I just want to say a few words real quick as to how Charlie and I met, and then I'm going to have you say a few words.

00:01:53.000 Yeah, so this was a couple of years ago.

00:01:55.000 Somebody was having a conversation with me on the phone, and they said they were impressed to sponsor me to go to a certain conference.

00:02:08.000 And I went there, and I saw in the pamphlet or the schedule, it said, meet and greet with Charlie Kirk.

00:02:18.000 So I said, okay, I inquired the staff and asked, where is this happening?

00:02:22.000 And they said, wherever you're standing, that's where it's happening.

00:02:25.000 So don't go anywhere.

00:02:26.000 So I said, sure.

00:02:27.000 And in a few seconds, he came.

00:02:28.000 Charlie came.

00:02:29.000 And then right behind me, immediately there were like over a thousand people standing in the line to meet me.

00:02:34.000 I was like, thank God, I'm first in line, a front in line.

00:02:38.000 And then I walked up to Charlie and said, hey, Charlie, I'm also a Sabbath keeper like you.

00:02:43.000 He said, are you Jewish?

00:02:44.000 I don't think you remember this, but it's okay.

00:02:47.000 And I said, no, I'm not a Jewish.

00:02:49.000 I'm not Jewish. 0.55

00:02:50.000 I'm a Seventh-day Adventist like Dr. Ben Carson.

00:02:53.000 And then he said that, oh, I want to talk to you.

00:02:57.000 I need to talk to you.

00:02:57.000 I said, about?

00:02:58.000 And he said, let's talk about the Sabbath.

00:03:00.000 And then earlier this year, we met in Detroit.

00:03:03.000 And actually, Mikey recognized me.

00:03:05.000 I didn't even recognize Mikey.

00:03:07.000 Apparently, he has very good memory.

00:03:09.000 And he recognized me.

00:03:10.000 And he said, aren't you the one who has a Sabbath ministry?

00:03:12.000 He asked me.

00:03:13.000 I said, yes.

00:03:14.000 And then he said, okay, Charlie, his Sabbath minister is here.

00:03:17.000 So we met again.

00:03:19.000 And then Charlie said, actually, you promised to me that if you have a conference in Phoenix, I'll come.

00:03:24.000 So he's here.

00:03:25.000 here we are.

00:03:31.000 So Charlie Kirk, a little bit of your background, religious background.

00:03:36.000 Yeah, so honor to be here and thank you.

00:03:39.000 The Sabbath is one of my favorite topics to talk about, honestly, because I'm so sick of talking about politics all day long.

00:03:45.000 It's all I do.

00:03:46.000 So it drives me crazy.

00:03:48.000 This is actually way more important than that.

00:03:50.000 And I could tie the two together if necessary, but we don't have to.

00:03:54.000 It's more important than that.

00:03:56.000 I grew up in a Presbyterian background.

00:03:58.000 I then, we left that church.

00:04:00.000 We went to what could be best called as a Bible-believing evangelical church.

00:04:05.000 So not quite Calvinist, not Pentecostal, somewhere in the middle.

00:04:10.000 Look, we believe many of the same stuff, guys.

00:04:13.000 I believe in the inerrancy of scripture.

00:04:14.000 I believe you need Jesus Christ.

00:04:16.000 I believe in grace, not works.

00:04:18.000 I believe that there is heaven awaiting us.

00:04:20.000 I believe in an afterlife.

00:04:21.000 I believe in a God that created the heavens and the earth.

00:04:24.000 However, I grew up in a church environment that at the very best would de-emphasize the Shabbat. 0.74

00:04:31.000 At the very worst, say that the Sabbath doesn't really matter.

00:04:34.000 The Sabbath is in your heart.

00:04:35.000 You don't need to observe it.

00:04:37.000 And the story is quite long.

00:04:40.000 I'm actually writing my next book on the Sabbath.

00:04:42.000 It's called Stop in the Name of God, because Shabbat means stop or ceasing.

00:04:47.000 So I'm not here to sell you a book.

00:04:49.000 It's not even for sale yet.

00:04:50.000 It's just something to think about.

00:04:52.000 And it's honestly how the Sabbath saved my life and helped preserve my family and helped preserve my career.

00:05:00.000 And so two things.

00:05:01.000 Number one, a pastor that I really care about, Pastor David Engelhart, he's one of our board members at Turning Point USA.

00:05:07.000 I was exhausted.

00:05:08.000 It was the summer of 2021.

00:05:10.000 I sat down with him.

00:05:11.000 I said, I'm not sleeping well.

00:05:12.000 I'm fatigued.

00:05:13.000 And he asked me very bluntly, are you honoring the Sabbath?

00:05:16.000 And I gave him very weak theological arguments, honestly.

00:05:20.000 Oh, I'm not bound to that.

00:05:22.000 Or no, I'm not really interested in that.

00:05:26.000 I don't have to do that.

00:05:27.000 And he really challenged me, and I didn't have good responses, to be perfectly honest with you.

00:05:31.000 And pairing that with my very good friend, who is Jewish, who right now is going through a very difficult health trial, Dennis Prager, who I believe is the premier Torah teacher of this generation.

00:05:42.000 He's amazing.

00:05:43.000 He's a phenomenal mind.

00:05:45.000 And if you don't know Dennis Prager, on the Sabbath, you guys would really appreciate Dennis Prager because he has brought the teachings of the Sabbath to more millions of people than almost anybody alive.

00:05:54.000 And I hope to carry that tradition.

00:05:56.000 And he would always talk about the Shabbat, always talking about the Sabbath.

00:06:00.000 And I found myself, after a couple years of hearing this, getting really jealous of him.

00:06:05.000 Being like, wait a second, you're able to just unplug for one day and not work and be with friends and family and worship God?

00:06:12.000 I want that.

00:06:14.000 Amen.

00:06:15.000 And I would start to get really jealous in the worst possible way.

00:06:18.000 And then I realized it's not something you go and purchase at the store.

00:06:23.000 It's not something that you have to take out a loan for.

00:06:26.000 It's simply the prioritization of the question of who's in charge.

00:06:31.000 It's that simple.

00:06:32.000 And if you believe God is in charge, and if you believe Genesis 1-1, because the Shabbat is a question of whether or not you believe Genesis 1-1, and if you believe Genesis 1-1, then you honor the Sabbath.

00:06:44.000 If you have questions about Genesis 1-1, in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, which is bare sheath, right?

00:06:48.000 It's the first truth claim of the scriptures.

00:06:52.000 Then on the seventh day, you rest because God created the heavens and the earth.

00:06:56.000 It is the longest standing celebration of time of the creation of the heavens and the earth.

00:07:02.000 And so that realization changed my life.

00:07:06.000 I could talk about this from many different dimensions, what it's meant for me personally, what it means on the macro.

00:07:12.000 I also go to churches across the country.

00:07:15.000 I speak at hundreds of churches of all different denominations.

00:07:19.000 And I will challenge the Christian church because I believe this is the most ignored commandment of the decalogue to our own detriment, which is that I believe that honoring the Sabbath is the commandment that allows you to honor the other nine commandments and that the enemy has gone after the honoring the Sabbath because then it is easier to weaken the other nine. 0.79

00:07:45.000 And I'll prove it to you.

00:07:46.000 If you're honoring the Sabbath, it's definitionally easier to honor your mother and father because you're not working that day and you're with family.

00:07:54.000 If you're honoring the Sabbath, it's easier not to covet your neighbor's wife because you're not around your neighbor's wife, you're with your family.

00:08:03.000 And you're filled with gratitude that day.

00:08:06.000 When you're honoring the Sabbath, it's easier to have no other gods before God because that day is built in time as a temple, as a sanctuary to put God first, to not have idols, to not take the Lord's name in vain.

00:08:18.000 The other nine commandments are made easier, are made more accessible for our broken, fleshly, depraved nature if we prioritize the Shabbat. 0.96

00:08:29.000 Amen.

00:08:33.000 You mentioned about this one commandment has been ignored.

00:08:37.000 Interestingly, God wrote the word remember.

00:08:41.000 That's why this panel is called as remember.

00:08:44.000 And that being said, I would like to invite Dr. James Markham, cardiologist, and he's going to share with us his research on worship and how it affects the human body.

00:09:03.000 Nice to see you.

00:09:05.000 I've been working as a cardiologist for many, many years, and the Lord has blessed me with some insights.

00:09:11.000 And when a patient comes to me, he comes with a need.

00:09:16.000 Chest pain, having a heart attack, they have a need.

00:09:18.000 But in the process, after I meet that need, the next place where I try to encourage them to go is they start talking about belief systems.

00:09:27.000 You know, when someone's faced with death, that's pretty serious.

00:09:31.000 And they start looking at belief system.

00:09:33.000 And I explain that my belief system is I believe that the Bible is the truth, the owner's manual, the biblical textbook.

00:09:41.000 And that's hard in this world for, you know, to say that the Bible trumps science.

00:09:46.000 The truths in the Bible are way ahead of the scientific discovery.

00:09:51.000 So we start moving in that direction.

00:09:53.000 And as they do that, I start to start, one of the things that comes up is the truths in the Bible, including the Sabbath.

00:10:02.000 You know, and if they want to know why the Bible's true, we can get into that.

00:10:06.000 I think there's strong scientific evidence of why the Bible is true.

00:10:10.000 But then we start talking about the seventh day, a time that God gave us a time to rest before the fall, when everything was perfect.

00:10:20.000 And I start talking about the physiology of that and what we have in science to date to catch up with the truths in the Bible.

00:10:29.000 It's very interesting that at that time, we think about it, we were happy.

00:10:34.000 We were peaceful, like you said.

00:10:36.000 Things were great.

00:10:37.000 We spent time with family.

00:10:38.000 Our bodies, our brains, remember, everyone knows about dopamine, right?

00:10:43.000 We're getting dopamine hits from everywhere.

00:10:45.000 The neurostructures in the brain, all of that was perfect.

00:10:49.000 But all of a sudden, things started falling apart, and we started looking for other ways for pleasure.

00:10:55.000 We started getting our dopamine surges from, you know, in the hospital.

00:10:59.000 I see cocaine, I see fentanyl, I see all sorts of dopamine surges, and we try doing that.

00:11:05.000 And after a while, it changes our brain.

00:11:08.000 And if our brain changes, our relationship with God changes, our decision-making changes, everything's messed up.

00:11:15.000 So we start turning on this fight or flight.

00:11:19.000 We make chemicals like epinephrine, norepinephrine, adrenaline, everything starts bad happening in the body that downshifts our brain so we can't think as well, so we can't relate to God.

00:11:30.000 So the whole way we deal with the world has changed when this starts to occur.

00:11:36.000 So it's pretty interesting.

00:11:37.000 And then when we start looking at the Bible, you know, I tell them, you know, the Bible is far ahead of science.

00:11:45.000 You know, when they said that, you know, there's weight in the wind, that was long before Torricelli said that, or that the earth was round.

00:11:52.000 That was long before Copernicus or even Daniel.

00:11:55.000 You know, that the original, one of the original health studies in Daniel, he starts talking about, you know, they ate a plant-based diet.

00:12:03.000 And then after a period of time, they looked at the control group and they were a lot better off.

00:12:08.000 And you wonder 300.

00:12:10.000 Sorry, he said plant-based.

00:12:11.000 He didn't say vegan.

00:12:12.000 Yeah, plant-based diet.

00:12:14.000 You know, you maybe focus on plants.

00:12:17.000 And then after, you know, you wonder, you know, whether all the other doctors back then started paying attention to that.

00:12:26.000 We have Dr. Hippocrates 300 years later says, let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food.

00:12:31.000 Maybe he heard about this Babylonian study.

00:12:34.000 I don't know.

00:12:35.000 So, Dr. Markham, you mentioned about worship, right?

00:12:38.000 The way we worship God, as per what the Bible tells us, activates certain parts of the brain.

00:12:45.000 Yes.

00:12:45.000 When we don't follow that and we follow a man-made method of worship, different parts of the brain gets activated.

00:12:52.000 Yes, can you talk about that?

00:12:53.000 We're starting to get our dopamine from other sources, our inner connections of change.

00:12:58.000 In fact, one of the better research things that I've read recently has come from Andrew Newberg.

00:13:04.000 And we're actually now we have the science to look at what the brain's doing, PET scans.

00:13:10.000 And he used an intervention of worship, one intervention of prayer, one of just 12 minutes of worship, and people that never worshiped before, ever.

00:13:19.000 He looked at their brains and the part of the brain called the anterior single cortex started getting bigger.

00:13:26.000 This is called the God brain.

00:13:28.000 This is where we have purpose.

00:13:29.000 This is where we have meaning.

00:13:31.000 This is where we have love.

00:13:32.000 And all of a sudden, he looked at the physiology of the brain.

00:13:36.000 Oxytocin, you know, dopamine, serotonin, all these were changing.

00:13:41.000 But one thing interesting you notice in his research is that the part of the stress brain, the amygdala, was turned off.

00:13:49.000 You know, all those stress chemicals, adrenaline, cortisol, the inflammatory markers, all this inflammation was starting to turn down just by worship.

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00:15:03.000 I have a question for you, Charlie.

00:15:05.000 In terms of keeping the Sabbath, you mentioned that it helped you overcome stress.

00:15:13.000 You mentioned cortisol, right?

00:15:15.000 Stress hormone.

00:15:16.000 So can you tell us how it helped in help you overcoming stress?

00:15:21.000 And also with your family, how it has a positive impact?

00:15:25.000 Yeah, so one very easy way, and the science shows this, is that I turn off my phone from Friday night to Sunday morning.

00:15:32.000 I go even all the way to Sunday morning because it's just too nice, as you know, on Sabbath night.

00:15:38.000 I want to glide that all the way down to Sunday morning.

00:15:40.000 You know what I mean?

00:15:42.000 And I'm trying to just stretch it out as long as I can.

00:15:46.000 And that's very important.

00:15:47.000 And because when I hear that someone is honoring the Sabbath and they still have their phone on, I'm like, at least for me, my phone is a portal to work, first and foremost, and it might be 1% family.

00:16:01.000 And you know what?

00:16:02.000 I mean, I have 1,500 employees.

00:16:05.000 We do a lot.

00:16:06.000 And so even if it's on Saturday, they're constantly asking me about certain stuff.

00:16:10.000 So for me, my stress goes down significantly.

00:16:13.000 What I even find, everybody, is that when you turn off your phone on Friday night by Saturday afternoon, your habits slightly start to change where you don't miss the phone as much.

00:16:24.000 You're not like reaching for it all the time.

00:16:26.000 You're not like, oh, wait, no, it's not there.

00:16:28.000 You're not kind of just pushing the button and you start to become much more present and much more, let's just say, connected to the people around you.

00:16:38.000 And so the scriptures are very clear.

00:16:41.000 And I'm not here to tell you that you can't use electricity on the Sabbath.

00:16:46.000 You guys can have your own opinions on that.

00:16:48.000 I do use electricity on the Sabbath for the record, but I don't work.

00:16:53.000 So I will not watch the news.

00:16:55.000 I will not read a newspaper.

00:16:57.000 I will not have my phone on.

00:16:59.000 I will, however, watch college football, which some people say, well, that's not a Sabbath.

00:17:02.000 It's highly enjoyable for me.

00:17:04.000 There you go.

00:17:04.000 Because it's not work.

00:17:05.000 And it's connecting.

00:17:06.000 I watch it with my family.

00:17:08.000 I enjoy it.

00:17:09.000 Because it says, for six days you shall work.

00:17:11.000 And on the seventh day, you shall rest.

00:17:14.000 And true rest, of course, we find in Christ Jesus and with Almighty God.

00:17:18.000 And so, yes, I found my stress markers went down dramatically.

00:17:22.000 My health improved.

00:17:24.000 I lost a lot of weight, my energy, my vitality.

00:17:27.000 And I will say this as, and I hope you'll understand my heart when I say this, as humbly as I possibly can.

00:17:34.000 If I can turn off my phone and honor the Sabbath, you have no excuse. 0.81

00:17:39.000 I'll just be very honest with you, okay?

00:17:40.000 Because I've missed some very big phone calls before.

00:17:44.000 And let me just be very honest.

00:17:45.000 I've missed phone calls from the President of the United States.

00:17:48.000 But God told me to not work that day.

00:17:51.000 Wow.

00:17:51.000 And so, by the way, you can always call people back.

00:17:54.000 And do you know what I find is that good people that are not Christians actually really respect that you turn off for a day. 0.96

00:18:02.000 They're willing to cut you slack.

00:18:04.000 And even if they aren't, I say, so what?

00:18:06.000 The creator of the universe told you to unplug for a day, told you to not work for that day.

00:18:12.000 That's more important than just being on the constant corporate hamster wheel to try to get the next bonus and return the next text message.

00:18:25.000 So he's changing where he's getting his dopamine from.

00:18:28.000 Yes.

00:18:28.000 And he's changing the neural pathways.

00:18:30.000 And God is blessing.

00:18:32.000 This was how you were originally designed to function.

00:18:34.000 This is one of the core principles of the, you know, the way we're designed.

00:18:38.000 And when we break the way we were designed, bad things happen.

00:18:43.000 And we try to start getting our dopamine and our other pleasures from other places.

00:18:47.000 We downshift our brain, adrenaline and cortisol, all this goes on.

00:18:51.000 But in 2012, the Human Genome Project was completed.

00:18:55.000 The DNA was sequenced.

00:18:57.000 So now, all of a sudden, I think of DNA as DNA is the hardware.

00:19:02.000 The epigenetics is the software.

00:19:05.000 So now over the last few years, we can unwrap.

00:19:10.000 Some people have called it the language of God in medicine.

00:19:13.000 Because now we can look at the inputs, individual inputs, and how it turns on and off specific genes.

00:19:21.000 I think that's just fascinating.

00:19:22.000 So now we have the ability, for instance, they've done different types of worship studies, relaxation studies.

00:19:29.000 We're looking at these Kappa pathways in the brain, how it regulates, turns on and off genetics.

00:19:36.000 And we found out that we can turn off through worship, you know, of course, a Sabbath worship, but even be more.

00:19:43.000 We can turn off these stress-related genes and change our physiology.

00:19:48.000 So we turn off this chronic stress, and that's one of the causes of our chronic disease epidemic.

00:19:54.000 You know, chronic disease.

00:19:55.000 So this has really changed.

00:19:57.000 So the next step is going to be in the research is to take biblical worship.

00:20:01.000 So Charlie, if I can study your individual genetics, I can say for Charlie, 15 minutes of Bible study, 10 minutes of prayer, one quarter of football, a couple laughs, a couple praises.

00:20:16.000 This is what your genetics looks like if you do this.

00:20:18.000 And then I might be able to say in a few years, the science is catching up with the Bible that maybe if you did this a little bit better, why don't you try this for a while?

00:20:27.000 Maybe we can tweak it a little bit more.

00:20:29.000 Maybe you can get more of these good neural pathways.

00:20:32.000 Maybe you can grow this God brain, you know, that we have in there, the anterior cingulate cortex that got big in the studies, and turn even down more the amygdala, the stress part of the brain that's really the selfishness that's going on in this world.

00:20:47.000 So that's when you say the Sabbath is so fundamental to health, it's fundamental to disease reversal.

00:20:52.000 You know, we can put a stent in or do a bypass, but that doesn't heal us eternally, does it?

00:20:58.000 But this not only heals us eternally, but it gives us short-term genetic changes so we make better decisions, we have better pathways.

00:21:08.000 Thank you so much, Dr. Markham.

00:21:10.000 And then we'll have our next panelist with us, Brother Danny Shelton.

00:21:16.000 Thank you so much for your input.

00:21:22.000 How did you connect Sabbath with Jesus?

00:21:27.000 Well, in Jesus, we find our rest, and that's the critical thing, is that we're promised that the Sabbath will give, we should find rest in the Sabbath, and on the seventh day, God rested and saw that it was good.

00:21:40.000 But we know that our ultimate rest is in Christ Jesus.

00:21:44.000 Secondly, though, and I think this is important, I don't want to get too deep into this.

00:21:47.000 I'm not a theologian.

00:21:49.000 My new friend here can answer this far better than I can.

00:21:52.000 But there, I think, is some sloppy and misleading Christian teaching at times that says that Jesus does not want you to honor the Sabbath and Jesus broke the Sabbath.

00:22:03.000 I'm not going to get too far deep into that.

00:22:05.000 I'll allow my new friend to comment on that.

00:22:08.000 But here's what I will say: is that we believe in a triune God, and therefore that it predated the law, and creation was mentioned by Christ several times and emphasized all throughout scriptures.

00:22:21.000 In fact, I believe that there are miracles all throughout the Bible.

00:22:26.000 But the two miracles that we as Christians must remember on a daily and weekly basis is the creation of the world and the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

00:22:35.000 Those are the two biggest of all the miracles.

00:22:38.000 Those miracles make Christianity.

00:22:40.000 And so it connects very significantly.

00:22:44.000 I also look at it through a modern, what does this mean for us as moderns?

00:22:50.000 There are two types of people right now in the modern world, beyond Christians and Muslims and all that. 0.83

00:22:55.000 Two basically types of people.

00:22:56.000 The first type, they believe that our existence is a mistake, that we are a happy accident.

00:23:03.000 A bunch of evolution cells came together and we happen to get consciousness and reason and all these different variables from the tilt of the earth and the axis and carbon dioxide and oxygen all came together.

00:23:15.000 This is all a mistake.

00:23:16.000 The second category believes our existence is a miracle.

00:23:20.000 And you believe that there is intentionality.

00:23:23.000 By honoring the Sabbath, whether you realize it or not, you are pushing against all the dark nihilism that has infected our world.

00:23:32.000 Nihilism believes that there is no purpose and there is no meaning to your existence.

00:23:36.000 By honoring the Sabbath, you're stopping what you're doing, saying, no, everything we do matters because there is intentionality behind our creation.

00:23:45.000 And we honor the Creator because there is creation.

00:23:49.000 And the final thing I'll say is this, is in the book of Romans, in Romans 1, this is very important.

00:23:56.000 We must never worship creation.

00:23:59.000 And it warns us about this.

00:24:01.000 And you see this with people that will worship nature or worship the sun.

00:24:05.000 We are to worship the creator.

00:24:07.000 And Shabbat gives us that opportunity to then worship the creator of the heavens and the earth.

00:24:13.000 Amen.

00:24:18.000 So during your journey, keeping the Sabbath, right?

00:24:22.000 So you have witnessed people asking you questions, pastors, especially from Christendom, telling you, we are no longer under law.

00:24:31.000 We are under grace.

00:24:32.000 Why do you keep the Sabbath? 0.62

00:24:34.000 How did you respond to those questions?

00:24:36.000 So as a non-theologian, it's a great question, or a non-pastor, I'll respond.

00:24:40.000 While I do believe we are bound by the Sabbath, I'm not properly equipped or it's my profession to get into theological debate.

00:24:47.000 Great.

00:24:47.000 That's where I come in.

00:24:48.000 Yes, but I will say this.

00:24:50.000 I will say this, though.

00:24:51.000 I will say, do you believe that given the option, this is my best answer, because this is how I think, do you think that God would prefer you to turn off all your devices and stop working and worshiping him for 24 hours with your family or running around town, going to bars, doing, you know, continuing in corporate work?

00:25:12.000 Which do you think is more godly?

00:25:14.000 And if you believe that the Sabbath is more godly, then why won't you say that from the pulpit?

00:25:19.000 And so that is my answer, which is that, look, Jesus said, upon all of the laws of the commandments, these two hold.

00:25:27.000 Love the Lord your God with your heart, soul, strength, and mind, right?

00:25:30.000 Deuteronomy 6.

00:25:31.000 And then Leviticus 19, love your neighbor as yourself.

00:25:34.000 How are we supposed to love our God with our heart, soul, strength, and mind?

00:25:38.000 Well, you think about it.

00:25:39.000 What makes the Sabbath so unique is that it is a cathedral built in time.

00:25:46.000 Is that it is part of your schedule that you are dedicating to the Lord.

00:25:51.000 And my goodness, does our flesh not want to do that?

00:25:55.000 Your flesh fights this idea, like, oh, I'll do a two-hour Sabbath this week, or I'll just do a little bit of work.

00:26:01.000 That is your flesh.

00:26:02.000 That is the enemy.

00:26:03.000 If it was easy to honor the Sabbath, then God would not have to command it time and time again.

00:26:09.000 Hey, remember it, guys.

00:26:11.000 Remember, because the way that in our depraved nature, the enemy wants to prioritize materialism over our Creator.

00:26:20.000 Prioritize your own fleshly pursuits over the elevation of the divine.

00:26:25.000 So I will then hand off the baton here on the theological question.

00:26:30.000 And it's not to say that I don't have opinions on it.

00:26:32.000 I am instead, in my role in life, I am a Bible-believing church-attending Christian that talks about Jesus every day.

00:26:39.000 I am more interested in the moral, at least my career, the moral application of God's teachings.

00:26:45.000 And I'll allow the theologians to have the proper food fights and sort it out.

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00:28:00.000 So with that, tell us why we're bound by the Sabbath.

00:28:03.000 Okay, first of all, it's good to be here.

00:28:06.000 He sounds like a theologian to me.

00:28:08.000 I don't know.

00:28:10.000 I'm not actually a theologian.

00:28:12.000 I didn't go to the Charlie, I didn't go to the cemetery.

00:28:15.000 I mean, seminary.

00:28:16.000 I didn't do that at all.

00:28:18.000 I'm like you, I have a high school education, but I've learned through the years.

00:28:22.000 And when you get to be in your 70s, you've had time to learn.

00:28:25.000 But several years ago, I wrote a book with Shelly Quinn, a friend of mine.

00:28:30.000 It's called The Ten Commandments Twice Removed.

00:28:32.000 I'll give it to you.

00:28:33.000 Why I put that title, The Ten Commandments Twice Removed.

00:28:37.000 I think you'll agree with me that our government, for one thing, has removed the Ten Commandments.

00:28:42.000 But secondly, and very important on what you were saying, is that the churches, the Christian church, has removed the Ten Commandments.

00:28:50.000 I completely agree, and it's a tragedy, and I think it's against God's commands and his wish for us.

00:28:55.000 So there you have the Ten Commandments twice removed.

00:28:59.000 So what's happened is God created, and you've already said much of this, so I won't spend much time going over it, but God said on the creation week, it wasn't when the Ten Commandments were people say they're given to the Jews, they were given to Moses.

00:29:13.000 Now here you understand that they from creation, God rested the Sabbath.

00:29:18.000 People say, oh, well, they didn't keep, you know, the commandments up till Moses.

00:29:23.000 Well, actually, if you look at Genesis 26, you know, it talks about Isaac and Jacob.

00:29:28.000 They kept the laws, the precepts, the promises.

00:29:31.000 When Cain killed his brother Abel early on, he knew he sinned.

00:29:35.000 It was a sin.

00:29:36.000 So what I do is we start at not just the Sabbath, but I believe one of the biggest enemies of God's commandments is the Christian church today. 1.00

00:29:46.000 I didn't get any amens.

00:29:47.000 That's fine.

00:29:48.000 That's all right.

00:29:50.000 One of the biggest enemies of keeping God's commandments is the Christian church. 1.00

00:29:56.000 And I'll tell you why.

00:29:57.000 Because if the Christian church will say, well, the Ten Commandments were nailed to the cross.

00:30:03.000 We're not under that old law.

00:30:05.000 We don't have to keep that old law.

00:30:07.000 I was at a big Baptist church several years ago, and the preacher said to me afterwards, you're one of those old Seventh-day Adventists, he said, is that right?

00:30:17.000 And I said, yes.

00:30:19.000 And he said, man, you mean you're under that old law?

00:30:22.000 And I said, which law are you talking about?

00:30:25.000 He said, well, that old Ten Commandment law, well, what had happened, they had taken up a Sunday morning worship, tithes and offerings, and then they took up a separate one for me.

00:30:35.000 I was in the back room with the pastor, and I saw that the Sunday morning tithe and offering of this big church was a lot more money than what I would be getting.

00:30:45.000 So he said, oh, I'm not under the old law.

00:30:47.000 I said, great.

00:30:48.000 So I went over and I began to gather up all the money from this tithes and offerings.

00:30:54.000 And I said, thank you so much.

00:30:56.000 I appreciate it.

00:30:56.000 I'm going to leave.

00:30:57.000 And he goes, well, wait, wait a minute, Brother Danny, you can't do that.

00:31:00.000 I said, why not?

00:31:01.000 He said, well, because you can't, that's our, I said, but tell me what I'm doing wrong.

00:31:07.000 And he goes, I get your message.

00:31:09.000 See, I was stealing, right?

00:31:11.000 He suddenly believed in the Ten Commandments because I was going to steal his money.

00:31:16.000 And so now they suddenly know it.

00:31:19.000 People say, oh, I'm not under, we're not under.

00:31:22.000 The reason that the Christian church is so big on the commandments were nailed to the cross, they're not valid, is because of the one commandment, the one commandment, the fourth commandment that Charlie's been talking to you about. 0.85

00:31:36.000 Because if I have to keep that, well, if I can say, well, these commandments were nailed to the cross, nowhere in the Bible does it say the Ten Commandments were nailed to the cross.

00:31:46.000 What was nailed to the cross?

00:31:48.000 Some of you.

00:31:50.000 It says the law of the ordinances, Moses' laws, all of those were nailed to the cross. 0.73

00:31:56.000 So what God did and what he, first of all, I think, Charlie, we should talk about sin for a second.

00:32:02.000 What is sin?

00:32:03.000 Okay, if we have to understand sin, sin is the Bible definition, 1 John 3, 4, sin is the transgression or the breaking of God's Ten Commandment law.

00:32:15.000 So some people say, how do you know it's God's Ten Commandment law?

00:32:18.000 And I say, well, what other laws did he give that we don't know about?

00:32:21.000 So I have a question for Charlie.

00:32:23.000 Sorry, go ahead.

00:32:24.000 No, and I just want to expand.

00:32:26.000 You asked your question.

00:32:27.000 I think that's such a profound point.

00:32:29.000 Can you just quickly respond to how a pastor would say, well, what about the 613 laws of Judaism?

00:32:35.000 Can you just respond?

00:32:37.000 They say, why the Ten Commandments and not the ceremonial or the Levitical law of keeping cosh fruits?

00:32:44.000 Can you just help me respond to that?

00:32:47.000 Sure, because Colossians says, you know, the nailing to the cross, the ordinances were nailed to the cross.

00:32:53.000 But that is that 614 laws.

00:32:55.000 That's not the Ten Commandments.

00:32:57.000 They confuse it.

00:32:58.000 So the old covenant was given.

00:33:01.000 The Ten Commandments, the Old Covenant, New Covenant has nothing to do with not keeping the commandments.

00:33:12.000 It's how are we saved?

00:33:14.000 Under the Old Covenant, we were saved by what?

00:33:19.000 You know, we were saved by, sure, the old covenant, it's always been by grace, but God had to put up a temporary thing called the sanctuary, where we shed, they brought it to the sanctuary of the lambs and shed the innocent blood.

00:33:34.000 And so what happened is that was a shadow of things to come that so man could still be saved without Jesus' shed blood.

00:33:43.000 So when Jesus died on the cross, he gave his life.

00:33:47.000 No one took it.

00:33:48.000 That then became the atonement for sin, doing away with the old covenant, with the ceremonial law, the old Jewish laws. 0.89

00:33:56.000 It totally did away with it.

00:33:58.000 But we still are under the Ten Commandments.

00:34:00.000 People say, oh, they're nailed to the cross.

00:34:02.000 Jesus says in the New Testament, of course, if you love me, do what?

00:34:07.000 Keep my commandments.

00:34:08.000 Over and over, James says, if you keep the whole law, yet you offend in one point, you're guilty of all.

00:34:16.000 Now, this is New Testament.

00:34:18.000 This is New Testament.

00:34:20.000 Think about it.

00:34:20.000 James, this was after the crucifixion, after the resurrection.

00:34:25.000 So this could have been 30, 40, 50 years later.

00:34:28.000 He's still saying that if you keep the whole law, yet offend in one point, you're guilty of all.

00:34:33.000 Nowhere did Jesus say, and nowhere did the disciples, with writing scriptures in the New Testament after the death and resurrection of Christ, nowhere did anyone say, oh, but since the resurrection of Christ, you don't have to keep the Sabbath anymore.

00:34:52.000 So the Sabbath is perpetual. 0.51

00:34:55.000 So from the...

00:34:56.000 Good, good.

00:34:57.000 Yeah, and I want to reiterate that.

00:35:00.000 I don't want to do trivial pursuit, but I would be interesting.

00:35:03.000 So, of course, the Ten Commandments is repeated in the book of Deuteronomy.

00:35:07.000 So it's Exodus 20 and also the book of Deuteronomy.

00:35:10.000 They're identical except for one.

00:35:12.000 Do you know what the difference is?

00:35:14.000 It's okay.

00:35:14.000 I don't have to put you on the spot.

00:35:15.000 It's okay.

00:35:16.000 It's really important.

00:35:16.000 Does anyone know?

00:35:19.000 The Sabbath.

00:35:19.000 Do you guys know the difference?

00:35:21.000 It's the only difference, the only difference, everything identical, is that Moses says, honor the Shabbat, and it goes on, because you are no longer slaves like you were in Egypt.

00:35:31.000 Only slaves work all seven days, everybody.

00:35:34.000 It is a commandment that keeps you free.

00:35:37.000 You know how many wealthy slaves there are in Scottsdale, Arizona that work seven days a week, that have big mansions.

00:35:45.000 Moses is telling the people, understand the context.

00:35:48.000 This is Moses' farewell address.

00:35:51.000 This is before he's done.

00:35:52.000 He's been with these complaining, unimpressive former slaves for 40 years that have tried to kick him out.

00:35:59.000 So, who's this Moses guy?

00:36:00.000 Let's go back to Egypt. 0.95

00:36:01.000 The food was better.

00:36:02.000 We had meat, we had cucumbers, and we had leeks and we had melons.

00:36:04.000 We had all this stuff.

00:36:05.000 Who's this Moses guy? 0.96

00:36:06.000 We want to go back to laying bricks.

00:36:08.000 Moses basically five times goes to God, like, these are the worst people ever.

00:36:12.000 Can you just take me out of my misery?

00:36:14.000 And so, Moses is finally getting to the point where he's like, This is my farewell address.

00:36:19.000 Now, as we know in American politics, farewell addresses are really important: Washington's farewell address, Eisenhower's farewell address, Lincoln's, the very, very important stuff they say.

00:36:29.000 So, Moses is getting to the end of Deuteronomy, and he wants to remind these former slaves: hey, slaves, you're about to go into the land of milk and honey, you're about to go into Canaan.

00:36:38.000 Remember, if you actually want to be free, you don't work for seven days.

00:36:44.000 In fact, if you go back to ancient Roman literature, ancient Greek literature, even during the Inquisition of ancient Spanish, not ancient, but like 500-year-old Spanish literature, every place where the Jews honored the Sabbath, they would get made fun of by the occupying force. 0.52

00:37:03.000 The Romans would be like, Who are these Jews that don't work all the time? 1.00

00:37:07.000 Like, would they think they're better than us?

00:37:09.000 They take one day just about their family and for their people.

00:37:13.000 Hey, guess what?

00:37:14.000 The Jews are still around, and the ancient Roman Empire is not. 1.00

00:37:18.000 Because, and this is the more macro point, and I just want to say what Moses was saying in the book of Deuteronomy is that if you want to be a free people, you must honor the Sabbath.

00:37:32.000 I will go a step further.

00:37:33.000 You cannot have a free society if you're working for seven days a week.

00:37:39.000 You will be a slave to something in the worst possible way.

00:37:43.000 That's very well said.

00:37:45.000 Jesus also in Revelation, at the end of Revelation, made a farewell speech, and that's blessed are they that do his commandments, that they might have right to the tree of life and enter into the gates of the city.

00:37:58.000 So, again, as we were talking about the commandments, I think one of the biggest enemies of the Ten Commandments is the Christian church because they insist upon saying the Ten Commandments were nailed to the cross. 0.98

00:38:12.000 But again, I would ask them: if someone steals from you, there are preachers who preach against LGBTQ, they preach against the abortion, but they say the Ten Commandments were nailed to the cross.

00:38:24.000 And I say, Well, if the Ten Commandments were nailed to the cross, why would that be wrong?

00:38:28.000 Why are you against it?

00:38:30.000 The Ten Commandments were not.

00:38:32.000 Paul says, Do basically, and I think it's Romans 3:31, do we basically do away with the law?

00:38:39.000 He says, God forbid, yea, we establish the law.

00:38:43.000 So, Jesus came to seek and save those which were lost.

00:38:47.000 And I'd like to say, in my closing part, thank you so much for what you're doing, the book that you're writing.

00:38:53.000 The end result is that to make heaven our home.

00:38:57.000 And I believe that when we surrender, submit, and commit our life to Jesus Christ, we are saved by grace.

00:39:02.000 No amount of works will get us into heaven.

00:39:05.000 So, no matter what I've just said, it will not get us into heaven.

00:39:09.000 Can I be saved by keeping the Ten Commandments?

00:39:12.000 No, I'm saved by the grace of God.

00:39:14.000 Can I be lost by not keeping the Ten Commandments?

00:39:17.000 Yes, when you reject what you know to be truth, some people say, well, how about all the people that keep Sunday or Friday or whatever?

00:39:26.000 Are they then lost?

00:39:27.000 Are they not going to heaven?

00:39:28.000 And I say, no, not necessarily.

00:39:31.000 God has people in all churches.

00:39:33.000 And I think there'll be people in heaven that probably never set foot in a church, but they didn't reject what they know to be truth.

00:39:40.000 So God winks in our ignorance.

00:39:42.000 So if somebody doesn't know something, they're not going to be held accountable for it because we serve a loving God who gave his life, no one took his life, who gave his life on the cross of Calvary so that his death would not be in vain, that everyone has the chance of eternal life because of his great love for a fallen man.

00:40:02.000 And I'm so excited to meet you, Charlie, and to I can't.

00:40:07.000 I look forward to your book on what you're doing.

00:40:10.000 It sounds very profound and will help us tremendously.

00:40:14.000 And Ivor, thank you for what you're doing for the cause of God.

00:40:18.000 And so we can talk, I'll leave that book with you.

00:40:20.000 I'd give you this one, but I've scribbled on it.

00:40:23.000 That's yours here.

00:40:24.000 I've written three books on the Ten Commandments twice removed with Shelly.

00:40:28.000 This is called The Truth About the Ten Commandments.

00:40:31.000 And we have the truth about the commandments.

00:40:33.000 So hopefully, today what people will see is that God in his infinite love and wisdom and love for fallen man is making a way that we can get out of this life, right?

00:40:47.000 Death, eternal death, to eternal life with him in heaven forever.

00:40:52.000 So thank the Lord for his mercy, his grace, and his love.

00:40:56.000 Thank you so much, Brother Daddy.

00:40:58.000 Thank you.

00:40:58.000 God bless.

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00:42:04.000 And so, Charlie, question for you.

00:42:06.000 So, when you say church, which church?

00:42:09.000 Is it a Vatican?

00:42:10.000 No.

00:42:11.000 So, in the scriptures, it says Christ used the word ecclesia.

00:42:15.000 And this is the other important thing, which is that we say separate your church and state, but I don't want to belabor the prior conversation without his ability to defend it.

00:42:23.000 But Christ did not use the word synague or temple.

00:42:26.000 Ecclesia was actually a secular Greek term that meant political gathering.

00:42:31.000 And so, Christ called us to get involved in politics.

00:42:34.000 He called us to get involved in the public square, intentionally in the Koine Greek.

00:42:39.000 So, by the church, we mean, and there's lots of interpretations, but I believe if you subscribe to the basic teachings of the Nicene Creed, which is if you believe in the death, burial, resurrection of Christ Jesus, the inerrancy of scripture, the virgin birth, right?

00:42:54.000 You believe in the creation of the world, you believe in the Decalogue, then you are part of a collective church.

00:43:01.000 I speak out more than almost anybody else on what I would call heretical teaching when people say that, well, you don't need the Old Testament, or they'll say that the Old Testament is flawed, or they'll say that, you know, Christ Jesus, he committed some miracles, but not all miracles.

00:43:16.000 So I wouldn't necessarily put them in the church, but when I say the broad church, there is, in the Nicene Creed, it uses the term Catholic Church.

00:43:24.000 It's actually a small C Catholic, not a big C Catholic church, and that means more the universal church.

00:43:30.000 I'm not here to say who's a Christian and who is not.

00:43:33.000 I'm going to allow Almighty God to basically make those final judgments and those determinations.

00:43:39.000 But here is what I will say, is that if Jesus is king of your life, And if you honor his commands the best ability you can, and you believe in the inerrancy of scripture, and you are teaching that, I would consider you as part of the broader Christian family.

00:43:54.000 You know, that is such a wonderful point that Charlie Kirk brings up.

00:43:56.000 And it's something that we should definitely be thinking about when you have a relationship with Jesus Christ.

00:44:01.000 The Sabbath is not a burden.

00:44:03.000 It ends up becoming a blessing.

00:44:04.000 And this is something very fascinating because when you have a relationship, now I was born and raised in the church.

00:44:09.000 One of the first things I learned was you have this list of things you're supposed to do, but until it actually became Jesus in my life being my Lord and Savior, I began to realize that keeping his law is not a burden.

00:44:21.000 It's wonderful.

00:44:22.000 You brought up a wonderful point about how you have to integrate it into your lifestyle.

00:44:27.000 And that's really what God is trying to bring.

00:44:29.000 He's trying to integrate himself into your whole lifestyle from day one to day two to day three, and he wants you to rest on that Sabbath day.

00:44:36.000 I think I came into one of the most fascinating discussions that are going on right now.

00:44:39.000 And Charlie, first of all, thank you again so much for being here.

00:44:42.000 Second of all, it's amazing that you yourself honored the Sabbath, and we are so very happy for that also.

00:44:47.000 Go ahead.

00:44:48.000 No, and I just want to say, everyone here has been so cheerful and so amazing and awesome that my message to churches is you are missing out so sorely by not honoring the Sabbath.

00:45:01.000 And my advice to all of you that care about the Sabbath, we need to become better evangelists for the practice of honoring the Sabbath, how it strengthens your marriage, how it deepens your connection to God.

00:45:12.000 And I think for some Christians, not all, that it might be the missing link of what they, you know, they're like, Charlie, I'm going to church, I'm tithing, I'm singing the songs, but there's something missing, and I think it might be not honoring the Sabbath. 0.76

00:45:26.000 There you go.

00:45:27.000 And let's even dive a little bit deeper into it, especially when it comes to the culture.

00:45:30.000 So when the church was a little bit more stronger in the American culture, we look at the early 1900s.

00:45:34.000 We go in to look at such directors as Cecil B. DeMille.

00:45:37.000 For those of you that remember the name, that is going to be the gentleman that wrote, that made the movie The Ten Commandments and Ben-Hur, Oscarworthy, blockbuster bestsellers.

00:45:46.000 And there's something very fascinating when you bring up about how we're supposed to approach and be in the culture.

00:45:50.000 I feel like in Christianity, we sort of took our foot off of the pedal, especially in Hollywood, in music and everything.

00:45:57.000 And as the old saying goes, nature abhors a vacuum.

00:46:00.000 And it seems like secularism and consumerism and many other things filled that void to the point that now that we are here in 2025, we can't even recognize Hollywood.

00:46:10.000 It feels like anytime we see an Oscars or something like that, there's a diatribe against not just Christianity, but America and everything else under the sun.

00:46:17.000 Would you agree with that, Charlie?

00:46:19.000 Without a doubt.

00:46:20.000 And look, part of the problem that I find with the issue of the Sabbath is one of distraction, that people are so distracted.

00:46:28.000 And it does come down to, do you believe that there is a God and you are him?

00:46:34.000 And if you believe those two things, then of course you should be, we're talking about one day a week.

00:46:38.000 And I love what you just said, is that it's the greatest blessing in my life to be able to turn off my devices.

00:46:44.000 Do you guys, I mean, look, we're only a couple hours away from sundown.

00:46:48.000 Don't you look forward to it?

00:46:49.000 Don't you?

00:46:50.000 Aren't you excited about it?

00:46:51.000 Absolutely.

00:46:52.000 How many of you have sometimes been ending a long business trip and it's been a tough week, but you're like, oh, I have this beautiful little mini heaven waiting for me around the corner, right?

00:47:03.000 I think we can do a much better job of just talking about how, and this is what won me over.

00:47:09.000 Remember, it was Dennis Prager, a religious Jew, who would go on his radio program and talk about that I do not have to do the Sabbath.

00:47:19.000 I get to do the Sabbath. 0.97

00:47:21.000 And he says, I feel sorry for those of you that can't.

00:47:25.000 And I would love to look at the data.

00:47:27.000 I know you have it.

00:47:28.000 I'm actually looking for it from my book.

00:47:30.000 But there has been some studies.

00:47:32.000 Shabbat observers live longer. 0.88

00:47:34.000 They're happier.

00:47:35.000 They're less likely to be depressed.

00:47:37.000 They're on less antidepressants.

00:47:39.000 They have a much more enriched, they're more present.

00:47:43.000 And I want to re-emphasize something I said prior, which is we are living in a hyper-sick society.

00:47:48.000 Our kids are sick.

00:47:50.000 Half of our kids are in antidepressants by the time they reach 18.

00:47:53.000 These screens are just destroying and frying our kids' brains.

00:47:58.000 And here we have, there's a whole chapter in my book dedicated to this.

00:48:01.000 Here we have this ancient gift waiting for us.

00:48:06.000 And it doesn't require mapping the human genome, of which I agree with everything the doctor said.

00:48:11.000 It just is, just honor God's commands.

00:48:13.000 You know, that is such a great point, especially when you want to bring up the research and data.

00:48:16.000 It was Dr. Tim Reisenberger that was speaking just yesterday, and he actually brought up the data to show that there's another denomination out there that doesn't use coffee, doesn't smoke, doesn't drink, but they don't live as long as Seventh-day Adventist.

00:48:29.000 Mormons, they follow the same almost dietary laws, but they don't live as long. 0.87

00:48:33.000 And one of the primary reasons that we would argue is the fact that we have the Seventh-day Sabbath that we keep, and that ability to rejuvenate your life and reset the whole week and just have a relationship with God and your family.

00:48:44.000 You get to honor Christ and you get to honor the church and get to honor your family.

00:48:48.000 It makes the biggest difference.

00:48:49.000 So I have a question for the prophets.

00:48:52.000 Which is, what is the role for the wife or the woman on Shabbat in the Seventh-day Adventist?

00:48:58.000 Because in Judaism, it's a very big problem. 1.00

00:49:00.000 It's called the Shabbat problem. 0.78

00:49:01.000 Are you guys aware of this?

00:49:02.000 That the wife actually works the hardest on Shabbat of all seven days. 0.97

00:49:07.000 She's got to prepare the meals. 1.00

00:49:08.000 No, it's a very serious, it's like non-joking.

00:49:12.000 In Seventh-day Adventist, is that as much of an issue or not as much?

00:49:15.000 No.

00:49:16.000 So I'm going to keep it that way.

00:49:17.000 We're going to say it very easily.

00:49:18.000 For us, absolutely not.

00:49:20.000 Because the man and the woman together, as they are joined in one unity in Christ, the husband submits unto God, the wife submits unto the husband.

00:49:27.000 It should be rest for the whole unit, is what I'm getting at.

00:49:30.000 Because in Shabbat, it's a very serious meal preparation that has to undergo on Friday and then Saturday night.

00:49:36.000 And the old joke is that I'll finally get some rest when Shabbat is over.

00:49:41.000 And that's terrible.

00:49:42.000 That's not God's design for us.

00:49:44.000 Exactly.

00:49:45.000 It shouldn't be a place of labor.

00:49:46.000 And the second is, my other question is for the priest or the pastor in Seventh-day Adventist.

00:49:54.000 Is that a laborious day?

00:49:55.000 Is there teaching on the Shabbat?

00:49:58.000 I'm curious, enlighten me.

00:49:59.000 So our pastors and our eldership, meaning the laity that is a part of the church, when it comes to the Sabbath, we tend to delegate who is going to do certain functions on the Sabbath.

00:50:07.000 The pastor will speak, but there's a whole function and form of the church that gets to pitch in.

00:50:12.000 Everybody's involved in the Sabbath.

00:50:13.000 It's not just one guy running the show.

00:50:15.000 In the Adventist faith, and we also believe in the Christian faith, everybody is involved.

00:50:19.000 And because you love your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, you want to do his will.

00:50:23.000 That's great.

00:50:23.000 And that's the second thing is that in Judaism, at least, the rabbi is exhausted by the end of Shabbat, right?

00:50:31.000 He's doing services all day long.

00:50:32.000 And it's just, I believe it should be a rest for all followers of God.

00:50:37.000 That it needs to be a place where you're able to completely cease operation.

00:50:40.000 And allow me to just remind you that Shabbat means stop. 0.51

00:50:43.000 It means to stop what you are doing, to cease, to cancel, and to suspend.

00:50:47.000 I know it's such a beautiful thing, the fourth commandment.

00:50:49.000 Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy, six days shall thou labor and do all thy work.

00:50:53.000 But on the seventh is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God is a beautiful commandment.

00:50:56.000 So that is absolutely for everyone.

00:50:59.000 I'm going to make an argument that you guys may have never heard before because it's connected to the, let's just say, vegetarian.

00:51:06.000 Is that a better way to put it?

00:51:09.000 Animals make an appearance in the Ten Commandments.

00:51:12.000 Yeah.

00:51:13.000 Because they get a Shabbat. 0.59

00:51:14.000 Yes, they get to rest.

00:51:15.000 It is the first time in the ancient world that there's a recognition from the Almighty that animals are not simply just to be used all the time for your purpose.

00:51:24.000 That they're not the same as human beings, but they deserve a time of rest.

00:51:28.000 Amen.

00:51:29.000 It's a beautiful teaching that animals are not made in the image of God, but they are created.

00:51:34.000 and that they should not be abused and they should also be given rest.

00:51:37.000 I think that's a lesser appreciated beauty of the Ten Commandments.

00:51:41.000 Amen.

00:51:41.000 Thank you so much.

00:51:44.000 Did you want to say anything else, Victor?

00:51:46.000 No, I just want to say that no matter what you're going through and whatever we're having in your lives, just take a cue.

00:51:51.000 If you want to experiment with the Sabbath, maybe you're not keeping it in your life.

00:51:54.000 Try it.

00:51:55.000 Keep 24 hours.

00:51:57.000 Just do it.

00:51:57.000 Take your family, deplug, take yourself away from the internet.

00:52:01.000 Be able to just take in the Lord.

00:52:04.000 Open up your Bibles, congregate.

00:52:05.000 Come, let us worship the Spirit of the Lord.

00:52:09.000 Worship God in spirit and in truth.

00:52:11.000 I would actually challenge every single one in the audience, and if you're watching from around the world, try the Sabbath.

00:52:17.000 God will bless you.

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00:53:31.000 Let me just say in closing, you guys are the nicest people and sweetest people ever.

00:53:35.000 So keep it up.

00:53:35.000 I could tell you honor the Sabbath.

00:53:37.000 And so thank you for warmly welcoming me.

00:53:39.000 It's really awesome.

00:53:40.000 Secondly, this church that we're currently in is Dream City Church.

00:53:43.000 We should give it up for them.

00:53:43.000 They're wonderful hosts here.

00:53:45.000 They have been amazing.

00:53:46.000 Behind the scenes, on the stage, everything.

00:53:48.000 They are great.

00:53:49.000 If you live here in the Phoenix area, we do a weekly, monthly event here, actually, right here at this church.

00:53:54.000 We have Alan Jackson coming up Wednesday.

00:53:56.000 If anything I said interested you, final thing I'll say, if you are honoring the Sabbath, talk about it more.

00:54:02.000 Talk about it favorably and positively.

00:54:04.000 Try to bring the Shabbat to the world. 1.00

00:54:08.000 And I have here, that's why I was looking at this actually.

00:54:10.000 It's very important.

00:54:12.000 One of the last parts of this is, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates.

00:54:16.000 One of my most important beliefs is the Ten Commandments were not just written for Jews or Christians.

00:54:22.000 It was written for all of humanity.

00:54:25.000 And I believe that all of humanity, whether they're in Tokyo or New Delhi or in London, would be blessed if they honored the Sabbath.

00:54:33.000 If you are currently watching this online and you're not honoring the Shabbat and you are feeling depression and exhaustion and fatigue, there is something that costs you nothing.

00:54:44.000 You don't have to take on a loan.

00:54:46.000 All you have to do is commit to God and to stop what you are doing for one day a week.

00:54:50.000 It will change your life.

00:54:51.000 It will grow you closer to the divine.

00:54:53.000 And it is, what do we learn?

00:54:55.000 We learn that through faith comes the hard things.

00:54:58.000 That Abraham worked through faith.

00:55:00.000 In the Hall of Faith of Hebrews, we see here that faith will drive you and it will strengthen your faith.

00:55:08.000 If you say, oh, I'm too busy, I need to work that day, I will challenge you that God will bless you immeasurably.

00:55:14.000 It might not be a bigger bank account, but you'll be more at peace, you'll have more rest, and I believe that our country, our nation, our civilization will be enriched the more that we can return one day, the seventh day, back to the Lord.

00:55:27.000 The peace that passes all understandings.

00:55:29.000 Amen to that.

00:55:30.000 Thank you, Victor.

00:55:31.000 Thanks, man.

00:55:31.000 Nice to meet you.

00:55:33.000 So we have Graham Hood from Australia.

00:55:37.000 He's travelled all the way through.

00:55:38.000 I love this guy.

00:55:39.000 He's great.

00:55:42.000 He has amazing testimony.

00:55:43.000 How are you?

00:55:47.000 So, Graham, tell us your experience on Sabbath.

00:55:50.000 You were a pilot, right?

00:55:52.000 So how did you manage flying during Sabbath or did you not fly during Sabbath?

00:55:57.000 Well, it was really interesting because my job, I got a month roster in advance.

00:56:04.000 Most of the time, I was senior enough to be able to keep the Sabbath off.

00:56:08.000 And when I realised that there were times when I couldn't do that, most of the time I was able to give it to somebody who wanted to work the overtime.

00:56:16.000 And I thought to myself, you know what, I'm giving flying.

00:56:19.000 I'm giving work to somebody who's going to take it.

00:56:23.000 So I'm actually creating work by not going on it.

00:56:26.000 And then there were thoughts when I thought to myself, if I don't work on those days, then I'm going to lose all that income.

00:56:34.000 And that's going to be quite a significant amount.

00:56:36.000 But I'm saving up for my inheritance in heaven.

00:56:40.000 That's the main reason I'm doing it.

00:56:42.000 So at several occasions, about 10 occasions over 10 years, I had the call from my boss saying, if you don't go to work on the Sabbath, we're going to have to cancel flights and people are going to be disrupted all over the place.

00:57:01.000 And I prayed and I prayed and I prayed and I thought, well, I could go sick, but what's the point of breaking one commandment to keep another?

00:57:07.000 If you're lying, you're not sick.

00:57:10.000 That's key, yeah.

00:57:11.000 So every time I prayed and I decided to go to work, I turned that day into God's day.

00:57:19.000 I was looking for opportunities to minister to people, because it's okay to do good on the Sabbath, right?

00:57:24.000 We agree on that.

00:57:26.000 So I was always into welfare when I was flying.

00:57:29.000 I had a reputation as being somebody who could be approached.

00:57:33.000 And every time I went to work, there was somebody I needed to minister to, whether it was a member of the crew or some ground staff or whatever.

00:57:42.000 I always felt good when I came back that I actually did good for God.

00:57:45.000 Then when the rallies came up, because people might know that I'm sort of fairly active in that scene in Australia, most of the rallies were conducted on a Saturday.

00:57:57.000 I was asked, because I was one of the main speakers during that whole campaign, I was asked to attend the rallies on a Saturday.

00:58:04.000 And I said, no, I can't do it on a Saturday.

00:58:07.000 I can do it any other day.

00:58:09.000 And there was a big rally in Sydney that was organised, and they said to me, look, there'll be 350,000 people there.

00:58:16.000 Can you please reconsider?

00:58:17.000 And I said, no.

00:58:18.000 And they said, at least pray about it, because your words might encourage other people.

00:58:22.000 And so lo and behold, I prayed and I prayed and I prayed.

00:58:25.000 And I sat upright in bed one morning at 2.30 and God had impressed me, you're not going to a rally, you're going to church.

00:58:35.000 So I went to that rally in Sydney and I spoke about the Sabbath and I prayed for the people and I went up there in front of 350,000 people and I said to them, and I was asked not to pray and not to mention God before I went up, but I went up to them and I said, look, today is my Sabbath day.

00:58:53.000 I'm a Sabbath keeper and I'm not actually at a rally.

00:58:58.000 You guys don't mind, you are my church for today.

00:59:01.000 And everyone cheered.

00:59:03.000 Then I prayed.

00:59:06.000 All I do at the rallies is mainly pray and tell people that Jesus is coming sooner to get ready.

00:59:13.000 I pray and I do that at every rally.

00:59:15.000 The largest rally I ever attended, we believe, was 1.2 million people.

00:59:20.000 So we have, as a result of speaking on the Sabbath, I can tell you that almost a million great controversies have been given out in Australia at these rallies.

00:59:30.000 I can tell you that we have baptised 350 people in the last year and the message of God has gone out loud and clear to the extent that my beautiful wife Michelle and I have been praying for thousands of people at these rallies.

00:59:43.000 We sit there for four hours taking this stream of people, many of whom are atheists, who say to us, can you please pray for me?

00:59:52.000 I don't believe in God, but can you please pray for me?

00:59:55.000 So I believe God has a work for us to do.

00:59:57.000 And one of the most profound ⁇ I'm cutting you out of having something to say.

01:00:01.000 You sure?

01:00:02.000 I've been up here for a while.

01:00:05.000 One of the most profound things that happened on the, I think it was the last day that I worked on a Sabbath at Qantas, Australia's flag carrier.

01:00:15.000 It was a trip of fly from Brisbane to Sydney on a Friday evening, get there at close of Sabbath, go to the hotel, come out the next morning at 8 o'clock, fly from Sydney to Alice Springs and back to Sydney, and then I would get back to Sydney right on close of Sabbath.

01:00:32.000 I'm thinking, sure, there's got to be someone I can minister to, right?

01:00:35.000 So I'm flying along down to Brisbane and I said to my co-pilot, hey, how you going?

01:00:40.000 And he said, yeah, I'm really good.

01:00:42.000 How's life?

01:00:43.000 Fine.

01:00:44.000 I said, no, fine's a weather forecast.

01:00:46.000 How are you really going?

01:00:46.000 No, everything's great.

01:00:48.000 I'm thinking, what can I do?

01:00:50.000 And I'd asked all the cabin crew as they came up, I'd ask the same question.

01:00:54.000 And I thought to myself, I hope this improves tomorrow, because if I don't find anyone to minister to tomorrow, I'm going to feel really bad about myself.

01:01:01.000 And the whole day I went to Alice Springs and back to Sydney, nothing.

01:01:06.000 I got off the aeroplane.

01:01:07.000 I was so dejected as the sun was going down behind the terminal.

01:01:11.000 I got off the aeroplane and I said to my co-pilot, I don't want to stay in this cockpit any longer.

01:01:16.000 He knew that I was really angry with myself.

01:01:18.000 I'm going to stand up against the back wall of the terminal and I will wait for you to come off the aeroplane and I'll meet you there and then we'll go to the hotel from there.

01:01:28.000 He said, okay, boss, I understand.

01:01:30.000 So I'm standing up against the back wall and all the passengers are coming off the Aerobridge and everyone got off the aeroplane except for the last two, a couple.

01:01:40.000 And as they walked past me, the lady said, happy Sabbath.

01:01:45.000 And I said, happy Sabbath, how did you know?

01:01:48.000 She said, I've seen you give your testimony on television.

01:01:52.000 And I said, really? 0.88

01:01:53.000 She said, yeah, you're the porn guy, right?

01:01:55.000 Because my testimony is overcoming porn addiction. 0.92

01:01:58.000 Yeah, I'm the porn guy.

01:01:59.000 What a label.

01:02:01.000 I'm glad you haven't got a label like that, believe me.

01:02:04.000 And I said to her, well, thank you for recognising me.

01:02:07.000 And she said, I believe you're preaching at a church in Brisbane next week.

01:02:11.000 Can my husband and I come along?

01:02:13.000 And I said, of course you can come along.

01:02:15.000 And he looked at me as white as a ghost.

01:02:18.000 So the next Sabbath they came to the church and I gave my testimony in the church and I sat up the back with him and I said, what's going on?

01:02:26.000 Why are you so nervous and shaky about all of this?

01:02:30.000 He said, well, we went to Alice Springs for a holiday in the red centre of Australia and we had planned to fly out on the Monday and we got a call from the airline two days before saying that you have to fly out on the Saturday because we've cancelled the Monday flight and if you don't fly out on the Saturday you're going to have to go on the Wednesday and it's going to cost you another $800.

01:02:54.000 They said but we're Sabbath keepers.

01:02:56.000 We don't travel on a Saturday.

01:02:58.000 They said, well, they're your options.

01:02:59.000 They decided that they were going to take the trip that was offered.

01:03:04.000 While they were getting ready in the motel to pack up and come to the airport to join the flight that I was operating, this gentleman had gone to have a shower and his wife had had a shower previously and she was packing his bag while he was having a shower ready to depart the hotel.

01:03:22.000 She opened his computer to turn his computer off and she found pornography on his computer.

01:03:28.000 He had had an issue ever since he was in puberty with pornography, like I did and like most other men do.

01:03:35.000 She said to him, this is it.

01:03:37.000 I can't deal with this anymore.

01:03:38.000 Our marriage is over.

01:03:40.000 He said, honey, please don't, because he'd been watching pornography while she was in the shower.

01:03:45.000 Please don't, please don't.

01:03:46.000 You know, our marriage is really important.

01:03:49.000 And she said, no, I'm done with this.

01:03:51.000 I'm done with this.

01:03:51.000 I've asked you to get help and you never do.

01:03:54.000 You never seek anyone out who can help you.

01:03:56.000 He said, who's going to help me?

01:03:58.000 She said, what about that Graham Hood guy?

01:04:01.000 You've seen his testimony.

01:04:02.000 You've watched it several times.

01:04:04.000 Why don't we find a way to contact him?

01:04:06.000 He said, how would I know how to contact him?

01:04:09.000 if God wants me to talk to Graham Hood, he'll send me a sign.

01:04:17.000 And so as it turned out, I was the pilot operating the flight from Alice Springs to Sydney and therefore it was my job to make the PA announcement to the passengers.

01:04:28.000 He got on the aeroplane and we departed.

01:04:31.000 When we departed, I picked up the microphone.

01:04:32.000 I said, ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain.

01:04:34.000 My name is Graeme Hood.

01:04:35.000 Welcome aboard.

01:04:37.000 And I felt the aeroplane trembling down the back.

01:04:41.000 Anyhow, as a result of him coming to the sermon that I did the week after, we talked, we got them into a marriage boot camp that my wife Michelle and I run and we believe they're still going today.

01:04:54.000 So God had a reason.

01:04:57.000 God had a reason.

01:05:00.000 My approach to the Sabbath, Charlie, isn't as much theological as it is.

01:05:04.000 Everything that you've suggested so far and everything that you've said, we love the Sabbath.

01:05:10.000 We look forward to the Sabbath.

01:05:12.000 And I see it as when God says to me, remember something, I need to remember that.

01:05:17.000 I keep it really, really simple.

01:05:19.000 And I lead a lot of people to the Sabbath by keeping it really simple.

01:05:23.000 Another way I look at it is this, that if your earthly father, who you love and adored, if you have a father that you adored, you know how I feel.

01:05:31.000 My father died many years ago, but I loved him, even though he wasn't the world's best dad.

01:05:36.000 But if he gave me a precious gift that he put a lot of time into giving me, and he went on to Facebook Marketplace two or three weeks afterwards and saw that gift for sale on the internet, it would break his heart.

01:05:50.000 Wouldn't you agree?

01:05:52.000 I see this as how God would look at that.

01:05:55.000 I believe when the Sabbath was changed, we said, hey, God, we really love that idea of the Sabbath, but you know, it doesn't quite fit into our schedule.

01:06:02.000 So if you don't mind, we'll change the day.

01:06:05.000 Is that okay with you?

01:06:07.000 The only commandment he says to remember, I don't know about you guys, but I'm not going to take that chance.

01:06:13.000 It's honour the Sabbath or potentially die. 0.99

01:06:15.000 That's the way I see it.

01:06:21.000 Do you want to say anything?

01:06:23.000 That's it.

01:06:24.000 No, I mean, I could talk about this all day long.

01:06:26.000 I do want to emphasise one thing.

01:06:28.000 I love that, because sometimes I have to break the Sabbath and it's hard.

01:06:32.000 We're doing an event or a conference or it's tough.

01:06:35.000 I mean, you know what that's like, where if people are counting on my appearance, that's where it gets very difficult, because then I don't want to lie, I don't want to mislead.

01:06:45.000 But remember that the commandment, as much as it is to honour the Sabbath, is that for six days you shall work.

01:06:51.000 It's also a commandment to work and to be fruitful and multiply the other six days.

01:06:56.000 What I have found is that it creates healthy urgency, those other six days, to be more productive because there is an end in sight.

01:07:06.000 Whereas it's not just this cyclical motion, you know, perpetual motion machine of seven days of work and no respite, but God wants us to work.

01:07:16.000 And that is what's critically important: if you shall not work, you shall not eat, the scriptures say that it doesn't want you to rest for seven days, and vacations are fine and all of that.

01:07:26.000 But to work for God's purposes is an equal part of that commandment that is sometimes missed.

01:07:32.000 Amen.

01:07:37.000 All right, friends.

01:07:38.000 So, with that, we're going to conclude our panel discussion with Charlie Kirk.

01:07:44.000 And we will continue to discuss later, you and I, regarding some of the topic, especially blue laws and so forth.

01:07:51.000 We'll talk later.

01:07:52.000 We also have a small gift for you.

01:07:54.000 Thank you.

01:07:54.000 It's another book, but I would emphasize and encourage that you read this book, Great Controversy.

01:08:03.000 And so I'm sure it'll help understand more fully about the Sabbath.

01:08:16.000 Okay, thank you so much, everybody.

01:08:18.000 And I just want to say in closing: remember the Sabbath day, keep it holy.

01:08:22.000 God bless you guys.

01:08:23.000 Thanks for warmly welcoming to your conference.

01:08:25.000 Thank you.

The Charlie Kirk Show - December 07, 2025

How Charlie Learned to ‘STOP, in the Name of God’

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