The Charlie Kirk Show - May 19, 2023


How Christians Can Expand the Overton Window in Our Favor with Dr. Taylor Marshall


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Taylor Marshall is a well-respected Catholic author and theologian who is running for President of the United States. Dr. Marshall joins us for the entire hour to talk about his campaign and what it means to be a Christian in America.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody, Tanner Charlie Kirk show an entire hour with Dr. Taylor Marshall, who is a very well-respected Catholic author and theologian.
00:00:08.000 He's running for the presidency, which is important, but more importantly, he's just a deeply thoughtful person, someone I have a lot of respect for.
00:00:14.000 As many of you know, I am not Catholic, but some of my closest friends in the world are Catholic, and I think it's time for Catholics and Protestants and evangelicals to work together on things that we can agree on.
00:00:25.000 I think there's a lot of beauty in the Catholic tradition, and Dr. Marshall's a special person, and he's going to be coming on the show a lot more.
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00:01:02.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
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00:01:45.000 Super excited for this hour.
00:01:47.000 We have an incredibly thoughtful guest and an important guest, someone who I really enjoy learning from.
00:01:53.000 And I wanted to get to know him better at AmericaFest.
00:01:56.000 He was there doing some interviews.
00:01:58.000 We're definitely going to include him in future events.
00:02:00.000 One of the most articulate and deepest thinkers when it comes to Catholicism and America and the natural law, Dr. Taylor Marshall, joins us for the full hour.
00:02:10.000 Dr. Marshall, thanks so much for joining.
00:02:12.000 Charlie Kirk, great to be here.
00:02:15.000 So you're running for president, which is the big news, but we will get to that.
00:02:18.000 First, take a little time to introduce yourself, what you have studied, the work you do, and the books you have published.
00:02:27.000 I'm the author of, I think it's 11 books now.
00:02:30.000 My wife and I, we have eight children, and I operate the new St. Thomas Institute.
00:02:37.000 So we do online courses in philosophy, theology, Old Testament, New Testament, early church, all kinds of great topics.
00:02:45.000 That we have over 3,000 students all over the world.
00:02:48.000 And so my background is education and equipping people to think philosophically.
00:02:56.000 We do courses on logic, how to think properly.
00:02:59.000 And of course, the passion of my life is our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, the King.
00:03:06.000 And one of the things that I've experienced working in politics and being involved is we have this idea that some people have this idea that the public square, the place where we debate and do public discourse and politics, is somehow, it could somehow be a neutral vacuum where we could all come and use pure reason and come to just rational agreement on policies.
00:03:28.000 And I think people nowadays have realized that's just not the case.
00:03:33.000 And maybe the idea of Christians being Christians in the public space and being vocal about it, maybe that is what we need to return to.
00:03:43.000 It's certainly something we had for centuries and we got off track.
00:03:46.000 And I think if you look now what's going on about to happen in June and all the things that are happening in our country, we're losing the war because in a way, we're giving the battleground to secularism and to humanity.
00:03:58.000 I totally agree.
00:03:59.000 I just want to shine light on that.
00:04:01.000 So let's talk about June.
00:04:02.000 And this will be interesting.
00:04:03.000 So a group gets to pretend like they're oppressed while they get a whole month dedicated to them.
00:04:09.000 A group gets to pretend as if they're marginalized while they basically get an excuse from the mainstream media and public health authorities to engage in the most degenerate behavior.
00:04:20.000 And so let's get a little deep here.
00:04:22.000 The philosophy, how is it that we have been hoodwinked to basically believe a group that has everything basically given to them also simultaneously gets to play a month-long victim card?
00:04:36.000 Help us unpack this.
00:04:37.000 I think it's really interesting.
00:04:40.000 Well, I hope the viewers are familiar with what's called the Overton window.
00:04:45.000 Yeah, so they are.
00:04:46.000 We talk about it a lot, but please, yes.
00:04:48.000 Great.
00:04:49.000 Okay, so y'all already know.
00:04:50.000 But just for people that don't know, the Overton window is the window, the portal of ideas that are socially and politically acceptable to talk about.
00:05:00.000 So, Charlie, if we went back in like the 1990s and we said, hey, what do you think about gay marriage to all the Democratic candidates?
00:05:05.000 They'd be like, oh, no, that's unthinkable.
00:05:07.000 We don't want that.
00:05:08.000 Now it's a major issue.
00:05:11.000 Why?
00:05:12.000 Well, the Overton window shifted over time, and now it's acceptable.
00:05:12.000 What happened?
00:05:17.000 So I think the best analogy is you have two teams on a tug of war.
00:05:22.000 They're on each end of the rope and they're pulling.
00:05:24.000 And people are like, I'm going to go pull on that end or I'm going to go pull for the Republicans or Democrats.
00:05:29.000 And the idea of the Overton window is there are certain people who are the philosophers, the clergy, the religious leaders who go to the middle of the rope and they grab that rope and they begin to pull it sideways laterally so that the debate between the Republicans and the Democrats, they're pulling always, but the debate and where that tug of war is happening gets pulled to the left or to the right by these, we call them today, influencers.
00:05:59.000 Socrates would call them sophists.
00:06:01.000 And so what's happened is, is the Overton window is shifted so that even in conservative Republican circles, they're agreeing and assenting to policies and philosophies that not even Democrats would have accepted in the 1990s.
00:06:17.000 And so what I'm trying to do in preparing to run for president is what my hope is, is to shift the Overton window.
00:06:24.000 I want to grab the middle of that rope and the tug of war and say, hey, hey, let's pull over here and let's discuss some of these issues that are dear to Christians, which is a major base, way bigger than the base of LGBT.
00:06:40.000 And so the LGBT gets support from the media, from the corporations.
00:06:47.000 And I mean, we call them, you know, the alphabet mafia because they have a totalitarian almost component to it.
00:06:56.000 I think the T in LGBT stands more for tyranny than it does for trans. 1.00
00:07:01.000 Where did this so?
00:07:02.000 I mean, Matt Walsh, who's one of the clearest thinkers on this, has kind of this sequence, which I'm sure you've said, maybe you came up with it.
00:07:09.000 And he said, I don't know where it came from, but to just give attribution to Walsh, because he first said it is first they make you tolerate it, and then they make you accept it, then they make you celebrate it, then they make you participate.
00:07:20.000 I think that's the smartest way to summarize it.
00:07:23.000 And so going into June, you're going to be judged if you don't have the flag, if you're not marching in the parade when it was first masquerading as first saying you must tolerate this.
00:07:36.000 So how did tolerance become mandatory participation?
00:07:40.000 How did that happen?
00:07:43.000 Well, it's just like you said with what Walsh said.
00:07:47.000 You have to shift the Overton window.
00:07:49.000 And I think a lot of conservatives think, okay, well, we just need to go ahead and legislate morality, which, of course, legislation always has to do with morality.
00:07:58.000 But you first have to influence the discussion.
00:08:01.000 And I think that's one reason why a guy like Charlie Kirk is getting shadow banned on Twitter because you're one of those people, and there's many others as well, who are talking about these issues, and you're shifting the Overton window in a certain direction that they don't like.
00:08:17.000 And so they have to block it, right?
00:08:20.000 And I want to challenge the audience to think: what if we, what if everyone who believed that matrimony is between one man and one woman until death do us part, and everyone that believed that when human conception happens, that's a human person.
00:08:35.000 What if we all united on that and we started asking for public federal recognition, which is exactly what they've done in the alphabet soup?
00:08:47.000 We would win.
00:08:47.000 We would get it.
00:08:48.000 I think a lot of people think we lost and we can't get it.
00:08:52.000 We would win.
00:08:53.000 We would be able to do it if we united and we pushed for it.
00:08:58.000 And I think these people have been organizing and pushing for it and strategically shifting the Overton window for decades.
00:09:07.000 And now everyone else is waking up and saying, how did they do this?
00:09:10.000 Well, they worked really hard.
00:09:12.000 And do we, as Christians, are we as committed to our worldview as deeply as they are committed to their worldview?
00:09:22.000 Until we answer that question, we can complain all we want about Bud Light and Dylan Mulvaney and now, what is it, Target now? 0.92
00:09:31.000 They've got all these crazy outfits out at Target.
00:09:33.000 I've been able to get in all of this, yes.
00:09:34.000 Adidas.
00:09:36.000 Exactly.
00:09:37.000 But do we actually demand recognition?
00:09:41.000 I mean, the LGBT have been able to plant their flag, literally their flag, at all the federal monuments, state monuments, even at all the embassies around the entire world.
00:09:54.000 The British Empire wasn't even successful.
00:09:56.000 The British Empire was not even this successful in their heyday of colonization.
00:10:00.000 It's the most successful colonization project in world history.
00:10:04.000 And yet they still get to tell us they're the victim.
00:10:07.000 They've conquered every square inch of elite infrastructure and they tell us that they're oppressed.
00:10:16.000 It's remarkable.
00:10:19.000 It really goes back to Karl Marx.
00:10:21.000 And if you study the philosophy of Marxism, not just economically, see, a lot of people think Marxism is just economics.
00:10:27.000 It's actually an entire social program.
00:10:30.000 It relates to family.
00:10:32.000 It relates to religion.
00:10:33.000 It relates to economics.
00:10:35.000 It relates to national policy.
00:10:36.000 So when you talk about Marxism, you have to understand you're dealing with an entire worldview that assumes to be complete.
00:10:43.000 And central to Marxism is the idea of victimhood.
00:10:48.000 Now, most people, when you studied Marxism in high school, you talked about, you know, the worker man.
00:10:54.000 He is the victim, right?
00:10:55.000 And so we need to unionize and we need to socialize and we need to spread out capital because he is the victim.
00:11:02.000 But that same idea that the victim is the noble, the victim is the most important.
00:11:10.000 We could even say the victim becomes the aristocrat.
00:11:14.000 And in American society, that's what it is.
00:11:18.000 It is the currency and it is the aristocracy.
00:11:21.000 The most victimized person is the highest aristocrat in America.
00:11:25.000 So you could say, I am a Native American, half lesbian, lesbian. 0.58
00:11:32.000 Disabled.
00:11:34.000 Right, exactly.
00:11:35.000 And the more you can stack that up, the oppression aristocratic pedigree just goes higher and higher and higher.
00:11:35.000 Yes.
00:11:42.000 And that's really just amplified Marxism.
00:11:45.000 It also creates incentives for people to find victimhood labels that they otherwise would not even think about or identify and then create ones out of thin air.
00:11:55.000 Because you can immediately become important if you say you're actually a man when you're a woman.
00:12:00.000 You could become richer in the currency of the pedigree of the elite.
00:12:07.000 So, Dr. Marshall, Friedrich Nietzsche wrote that every society has a central piety that you are not allowed to make light of.
00:12:15.000 And with that, you could tell a lot about society.
00:12:17.000 You can make fun of Christians. 1.00
00:12:18.000 You can do the piss Christ, if I remember correctly, from a couple decades ago, where you could have the cross in a bucket of urine. 0.98
00:12:30.000 You can even do the most grotesque and profane things to any sort of the word of God, to scripture, to the Eucharist.
00:12:38.000 However, if you were to make fun of or make light of the alphabet mafia, then they'll come after you hard.
00:12:48.000 Walk us through what went wrong the last couple decades.
00:12:50.000 Were Christians too passive, too tolerant, sat on the sidelines too much?
00:12:54.000 How do we get to a state of affairs where a radical group that was once on the fringes now basically has taken over and colonized all of Western society?
00:13:05.000 Well, I like that you use the example of what they called, God forgive us, the piss Christ.
00:13:11.000 Because if we all know, if that had been a Quran, an image of Muhammad, we know how the Islamic community would have responded.
00:13:23.000 And we as Christians, see, I think the idea is we Christians believe that there's this idea of separation of church and state where, okay, I, Taylor Marshall, am a baptized disciple of Jesus Christ.
00:13:38.000 I'm in the church.
00:13:40.000 I'm also a citizen in the state.
00:13:45.000 How can I remove myself from the church and enter into the state? 0.74
00:13:49.000 Like that is so schizophrenic.
00:13:51.000 It is completely contrary to everything Jesus Christ taught in the four canonical gospels, right?
00:13:57.000 That I would somehow be living in these two worlds and that I would be taking off the church clothes and putting on the state clothes and moving back and forth.
00:14:05.000 And that whenever I'm with anybody in public, anything that has to do with economics or politics, I always take off my church clothes and I put on my civic duty clothes and I keep my mouth shut.
00:14:20.000 Somehow Christians bought into that lie and we have lost the culture war steadily for decades because we have taken that perspective. 0.96
00:14:29.000 The proper approach, and that's what I'm trying to advocate in running for president, is it is okay to say Christ is king.
00:14:38.000 It is okay to say marriage is between one man and one woman. 0.98
00:14:43.000 Why?
00:14:44.000 Because that's what God did in Genesis.
00:14:46.000 It's okay to say that.
00:14:47.000 I know a lot of people feel like, well, man, I don't know.
00:14:50.000 I feel uncomfortable quoting the Bible.
00:14:51.000 Everyone else out there is quoting their authorities on sexual deviancy, degeneracy.
00:14:57.000 They're quoting their authorities, their scientists, their all of them.
00:15:04.000 And then, but we, if we want to cite Jesus Christ, who we believe rose from the dead, and he's the second person of Trinity, we have to feel embarrassed about that.
00:15:12.000 No, we shouldn't.
00:15:15.000 And if you look at Christians from the very beginning, even Paul in the book of Acts, he is appealing to the emperor.
00:15:23.000 Go read the book of Acts.
00:15:24.000 St. Paul is appealing to the emperor in Rome, and he's making his way to Rome.
00:15:29.000 As his Roman citizens, that's right.
00:15:31.000 He was invoking his rights.
00:15:32.000 He was invoking his rights as a Roman citizen, appealing directly to the sovereign, which was the council or the Caesar at the time.
00:15:42.000 Exactly.
00:15:43.000 And would what percent of Christians in America or anywhere in the world in 2023 would do what Paul did?
00:15:51.000 Is it because we're embarrassed or is it because we've imbibed upon a political philosophy that's ultimately there so that we lose every time?
00:16:04.000 And it's time for people to wake up and realize if I agree to those terms, I lose the battle every time.
00:16:12.000 So I no longer agree to those terms.
00:16:15.000 I will not be religiously, philosophically neutral when I enter onto the political stage, the economic stage, whatever.
00:16:25.000 I am bringing Christ in my heart with me into those public places.
00:16:31.000 And I think that really, if we start doing that, I mean, we can start getting recognition.
00:16:37.000 But if we don't, we will lose every time.
00:16:40.000 There is a spirit of timidity and certainly an attitude of cowardice.
00:16:46.000 And I mean, I'm resonating with everything you're saying.
00:16:48.000 I want to explore how we go about changing that.
00:16:50.000 I'm an evangelical.
00:16:51.000 I have super respect for Catholics.
00:16:53.000 My closest friends in the world are Catholics, and my wife, raised Catholic.
00:16:56.000 I think there needs to be a harmony between Protestants and Catholics on this.
00:17:00.000 I love your thoughts on that after the break.
00:17:02.000 I'm not sure if you agree or disagree on that, but I think we need to have partnerships of people that believe Christ is king to fight against this evil and fight for truth and goodness.
00:17:12.000 And because we're in a period of time right now where the decent in America, I still think, outnumber the indecent, to use Viktor Frankl's framing.
00:17:21.000 But the indecent are blitzkrieging with a non blitzkrieging non-stop avalanche of tyranny, of degeneracy.
00:17:30.000 How long are we going to take it?
00:17:32.000 That is the question.
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00:18:48.000 Dr. Marshall, how do we get the decent to fight?
00:18:52.000 Yeah, you know, you talked about us uniting together and banning together.
00:18:55.000 And, you know, there's certain fundamental issues like our rights.
00:18:59.000 And the very fundamental right of all rights is the right to be alive.
00:19:05.000 I can't talk about the right to housing or the right to employment or any or medical rights if I am dead.
00:19:14.000 And so I think we need to unite and focus on the right to life, the sanctity of life.
00:19:19.000 And of course, the ideal origin instituted by God for human life is holy matrimony.
00:19:24.000 That's one thing that you do very well, Charlie.
00:19:26.000 You talk about birth rates and you talk about the state of marriage and matrimony.
00:19:31.000 And that really is, that is, the nuclear family is ultimately the nest of the next generation.
00:19:39.000 Is the nest of honor, of patriotism, of the common good.
00:19:44.000 And we have to preserve that.
00:19:46.000 And when you look at what's going on with the Alphabet Soup group, they are attacking that full on.
00:19:53.000 And one of the things that I want to propose, and I really want to shift the Overton window and get conservatives talking about every single week on radio shows, is doing something like implementing Victor Orban's family policies in Hungary.
00:20:08.000 I think we conservatives have sort of, oh, that's really cool what they're doing in Hungary.
00:20:12.000 Oh, wow, that's really cool.
00:20:14.000 No, we should be, Charlie, I literally think we should copy, paste, take Hungary's child policies, copy, paste, insert into America. 0.84
00:20:23.000 And if we conservatives can say, look at what they're doing there, look at the success they're having, look how important it is for their culture, for their politics, we should promote the same ideals with the same incentives for our American people.
00:20:41.000 That's a very simple comparison or a simple tool, but why can't we make moral alliances with places like Poland or Hungary?
00:20:52.000 Not just political alliances, moral alliances.
00:20:55.000 And part of it, because we are under this current occupation of secularism, they don't believe children are a moral good.
00:21:04.000 They don't believe that being fruitful and multiplying is necessary.
00:21:09.000 In fact, it's the opposite.
00:21:10.000 They're saying that in modernity, you can find fulfillment by just being this androgynous consumer, by staring at your screen, by living out your best life. 0.58
00:21:20.000 What does it say?
00:21:22.000 Describe the dominant philosophy of the West that elevates the quote-unquote privileges or rights.
00:21:30.000 I hate that word rights, but there's a better word for it, over duties and obligations.
00:21:34.000 Shouldn't our laws point towards duties and obligations more than pleasure or licentiousness?
00:21:42.000 I mean, if you go back to Aristotle, Nicomachean ethics, you know, the whole idea of rights doesn't make any sense without the other side of the coin, which is duties, right?
00:21:56.000 So if I have the right to be a parent, I have duties to my children.
00:22:01.000 Yes.
00:22:02.000 Those are moral and necessary.
00:22:05.000 Like you can't just copulate, procreate a human, and then run away.
00:22:12.000 So the rights and the duties, as you said, they have to fit together.
00:22:17.000 And, you know, when it comes to honoring the family unit, this has been lost because, once again, back to Marxism.
00:22:26.000 Marx, Karl Marx, is very explicit that children belong to the state.
00:22:32.000 They don't belong to the mother and the father.
00:22:34.000 Once you understand this, you realize that children are not children.
00:22:40.000 They're more, they're state capital.
00:22:44.000 And they're only there for a function.
00:22:48.000 Whereas if you're a Christian, if you read the book of Genesis, if you read what our Lord Jesus Christ says, let the little ones come to me, or you must become like unto a little one in order to enter the kingdom of heaven. 0.66
00:23:00.000 Our Lord Christ has all of these wonderful admonitions and teachings about the beauty of children and a family life.
00:23:10.000 It's one thing I think you were saying it at Amfest last year, and Tucker Carlson at Amfest really hit it home and he's been saying it.
00:23:17.000 Go have a family.
00:23:18.000 Go have a bunch of kids.
00:23:20.000 Yes.
00:23:20.000 You know, live your, go live a real life.
00:23:24.000 Being on a video game or the metaverse or social media is not real.
00:23:31.000 That children are not a commodity.
00:23:32.000 They're not part of communist capital.
00:23:35.000 They're persons and they're made in the image of likeness of God.
00:23:38.000 And my wife and I are blessed with eight children.
00:23:40.000 And, you know, we have, as you do, we have this experience of the beauty of infancy, toddlers.
00:23:47.000 You know, we have a lot of teenagers and we sit down in the evenings and they read a book or they ask me about politics or, you know, two of them are at college.
00:23:56.000 So they hear things and they bounce things off of me.
00:23:58.000 And just, I can't express, I really can't express the profound joy of having friendship with your children and seeing them growing.
00:24:12.000 Do they make mistakes?
00:24:13.000 Yes, my kids aren't perfect, but seeing them grow in virtue and in awareness and trying to strive for excellence.
00:24:21.000 This is not something that is quantitative.
00:24:25.000 You can't put a price on it.
00:24:26.000 You can't put a label on it.
00:24:28.000 This is why God created humanity and gave them a free will.
00:24:35.000 And until you accept that worldview, of course, children are only going to be either liabilities or commodities for the worker cast. 0.96
00:24:46.000 You mean you can't measure it in some sort of a peer-reviewed study.
00:24:50.000 You know, it's interesting.
00:24:51.000 I remember speaking to a group of college kids that were conservative, and I asked them what was beautiful.
00:24:58.000 And they were unable to say anything without saying, well, studies show.
00:25:02.000 I said, no, no, no.
00:25:03.000 Is there any form of knowledge that you're able to glean on, that you're able to grasp, that you're able to articulate outside of academic literature?
00:25:12.000 And they said, well, there's nothing else except peer-reviewed studies or stats or data.
00:25:17.000 I said, oh boy, you got a lot of work to do before you call yourself a conservative.
00:25:22.000 A lot.
00:25:23.000 Studies are fine, but if studies, studies don't have to point to something, they could point to something really cruel.
00:25:29.000 A study without morality, without quite understanding of what is the human being, the ordering of the soul, you got a tough situation there.
00:25:36.000 Do you have a thought on that, by the way, Dr. Marshall?
00:25:38.000 Just before I play Piece of Technology, I do.
00:25:40.000 I mean, it makes me think of Plato when he talks about the cave.
00:25:44.000 I think everyone who took Philosophy 101 in college learned about Plato.
00:25:48.000 I'm surprised how many do not know what it is, but yes, that's right.
00:25:51.000 Okay.
00:25:51.000 Really?
00:25:51.000 Well, for those that don't know, Plato or Socrates, Plato speaking through Socrates, talks about these people who are down in a cave and they're chained to their seats.
00:26:01.000 And in front of them, there's a light and they're sort of puppet masters behind the people and they're projecting silhouettes onto the wall.
00:26:08.000 And the people down in the cave are watching these silhouettes.
00:26:11.000 I mean, it's remarkable how much Plato anticipated a movie theater because it sounds just like a movie theater.
00:26:17.000 And this is hundreds of years before Christ.
00:26:20.000 And they're sitting there and they believe that this is reality.
00:26:23.000 These silhouettes on the wall from puppets behind them is reality.
00:26:28.000 And at some point, someone breaks out of their chair, goes up onto the surface of the earth and sees the sun and the birds and the trees and the flowers and the bees and the foxes and the horses and all this beautiful stuff.
00:26:41.000 And he goes back down in the cave.
00:26:43.000 He says, you're not going to believe this.
00:26:44.000 This is all just like shadows of what is up upstairs, what's out in the real world.
00:26:50.000 And everybody thinks this person is crazy.
00:26:52.000 They're like, sit down. 1.00
00:26:54.000 You're an idiot. 1.00
00:26:54.000 You don't even know what you're talking about. 1.00
00:26:55.000 You're making this up.
00:26:57.000 And I think in our society, more than any other generation in the history of humankind, our society with our little iPhones and our movie theaters and our streaming Netflix and our video games and our 24-7 streaming porn, people are getting sexual experiences, human, so-called human experiences, economic experiences, all this experience, but it's all virtual.
00:27:23.000 It's not real.
00:27:25.000 It's not real.
00:27:26.000 The five senses are not being engaged.
00:27:28.000 And I think when you hear young people say, study, show, study, show, what they're really saying is, I saw on my iPhone this.
00:27:35.000 That's what they're saying.
00:27:37.000 And when we're talking about family and the legacy of family, or even this, Charlie, how about this?
00:27:44.000 Gathering with a group of people on Sunday to worship God, not just streaming it on TV, you're with a bunch of people.
00:27:52.000 Those experiences, the next generation is lacking in.
00:27:56.000 And it's this technological gap that's opening, not opening, placing them into Plato's cave.
00:28:02.000 So we need, like you said at Amfest and Tucker Carlson and a bunch of other people said it as well.
00:28:09.000 Get outside, touch grass, go ask a girl out, marry her, have some children, live life, have a barbecue with your kids, swim in the pool, throw them around, live life. 0.97
00:28:23.000 This is why God created us, not to be sitting around looking at this phone or watching the latest degeneracy that's being pushed on us by minority groups. 1.00
00:28:36.000 The consensus right now amongst most Christians is we shouldn't engage with this at all.
00:28:42.000 I'm going to play a piece of tape here.
00:28:44.000 And by the way, the Latin word for education means to lead forth.
00:28:47.000 You know that.
00:28:48.000 And it actually comes from the cave, to lead forth to ascent towards knowledge.
00:28:54.000 It's what education should be, but you have to know what you're leading them towards.
00:28:58.000 Let's play a piece of tape here.
00:29:00.000 This is the current regime.
00:29:01.000 So now let's get real.
00:29:02.000 You're running for the presidency.
00:29:04.000 Most Christians say I don't want to do politics.
00:29:07.000 Most Christians say I don't care about this stuff. 0.92
00:29:09.000 Cut 89 is Joe Biden, Alphabet Mafia spokesperson, Corrine Jean-Pierre and Kamala Harris saying, your kids are not your own.
00:29:19.000 The state owns them.
00:29:20.000 They are subsidiaries of the Leviathan, PlayCut 89.
00:29:25.000 There's no such thing as someone else's child.
00:29:29.000 No such thing as someone else's child.
00:29:31.000 Our nation's children are all our children.
00:29:34.000 These are kids.
00:29:35.000 These are our kids.
00:29:36.000 They belong to all of us.
00:29:38.000 When we talk about the children of the community, they are a children of the community.
00:29:45.000 Dr. Marshall, your response.
00:29:49.000 All three of those quotes assume that the family unit is not the basis of community.
00:29:59.000 And so it's a lie.
00:30:00.000 It's Marxism.
00:30:02.000 My children do not belong to the United States of America.
00:30:07.000 They belong to me until they reach the age of majority, and then they're their own.
00:30:12.000 But this idea, this is exactly what they want, and it goes right into the alphabet soup, as we know, because now it went from bake my cake to I want to assign the gender of your child at my school.
00:30:27.000 Exactly.
00:30:28.000 And I'm not even going to tell you about it.
00:30:31.000 Yeah, that's right.
00:30:34.000 And this is absolutely the problem.
00:30:37.000 So we as Christians, like, we don't want to be in politics.
00:30:41.000 We don't want to put our morality on other people.
00:30:43.000 We're going to go into our prayer closet and we're going to pray there and we're going to go to church on Sunday and then everything is shut off.
00:30:50.000 We're not going to engage whatsoever.
00:30:52.000 If that is our position, then they are going to do everything they can to take our children, corrupt our children through media, pornography, all kinds of odd things are now inserting into Disney movies and video games and all these things.
00:31:09.000 Because look, you and I both know, Charlie, the L, the B, all this stuff, it's sterile.
00:31:15.000 It does not give you a birth rate.
00:31:18.000 It's just like a vampire.
00:31:19.000 It has to live off the life of a host.
00:31:22.000 That's what I was going to say.
00:31:23.000 It's like, it's really rich for Corrine Jean-Pierre to say, these are our kids. 1.00
00:31:27.000 Given her current sexual habits, she can't have kids. 0.97
00:31:30.000 No. 1.00
00:31:31.000 No. 1.00
00:31:31.000 So She needs the fruit of heterosexuality. 1.00
00:31:38.000 Precisely. 1.00
00:31:39.000 Precisely.
00:31:40.000 And this is, it's kind of in a way, it's this perverse, you remember the Karens? 1.00
00:31:45.000 It's this idea of the Karen.
00:31:46.000 The Karen polices the whole community because the Karen doesn't have children with her, right? 1.00
00:31:52.000 So she becomes this matriarch of the whole community.
00:31:57.000 Your kids are my kids.
00:31:59.000 And as soon as the parent says, no, they're my child.
00:32:02.000 God gave me jurisdiction.
00:32:04.000 God gave me parental influence and education over my child.
00:32:10.000 As soon as you say that and they disagree with you on something like transgenderism, they are going to actually use weapons to take away your child. 0.90
00:32:18.000 Now, these people are sneaky, so you're going to have to help me message this.
00:32:22.000 I think I have a good answer to it, but they're starting to sneakily now use parents' rights arguments to argue against bans on chemical castration.
00:32:32.000 Have you seen this?
00:32:33.000 Where they're saying, well, hold on, I thought you trust parents.
00:32:36.000 So how do we then respond simultaneously, obviously saying that kids aren't the state?
00:32:40.000 I mean, it's pretty obvious to me, right?
00:32:42.000 Which is this is child abuse and shouldn't have to overthink it.
00:32:45.000 But how should we respond to that?
00:32:47.000 And we need to be prepared for them to try to challenge us.
00:32:49.000 They'd say, well, I thought that we're stewards and caretakers of these children.
00:32:54.000 Your response.
00:32:56.000 So once again, we have to define the political space, right?
00:33:02.000 So if it's just neutral, like there are no rules, there is no philosophy, there is no theology, there's nothing in the political space guiding, we have no answer.
00:33:14.000 But we can say, if we move forward, if we move the Overton window, we can say, no, we are a Christian society.
00:33:21.000 And for hundreds of years, millennia, we have defined human sex, male, female.
00:33:29.000 We have defined human matrimony.
00:33:32.000 These are given, just like we have words for rain and sunshine and gravity and left hand and right hand.
00:33:42.000 This is the human experience.
00:33:44.000 This is human reality.
00:33:45.000 That's the same thing when it comes to male, female, marriage, et cetera.
00:33:51.000 For some reason, they just want to attack these vocabulary words to knock us off our feet when we can just insist, no, these are the definitions.
00:34:03.000 But we have to fight for a Christian society.
00:34:05.000 See, like if we keep on going, this is a neutral playground.
00:34:09.000 We're just going to lose because they're going to do that flip that you just explained.
00:34:13.000 And so that's why I'm arguing we must, as Christians, hold ourselves forth as Christians, evangelize the culture, and then have Christian expectations for morality, commerce, politics.
00:34:27.000 Like we have for centuries before.
00:34:30.000 Why is it that Christians have been so reluctant, so unwilling? 1.00
00:34:35.000 Is it something temperamental?
00:34:36.000 Is it an unclean spirit?
00:34:38.000 Or is it an infiltration as you wrote a whole book about?
00:34:42.000 I think it's an infiltration.
00:34:44.000 I think for centuries, the enemies of Christianity, think of Nero, Domitian, Napoleon, they were attacking the church from the outside.
00:34:54.000 They were making martyrs who become heroes of the Christians.
00:34:57.000 So I think what happened in the 1800s is the sinister forces said, no, let's infiltrate into the church, into Christian seminaries, monasteries, institutions, universities, and let's begin to pour in the spirit of humanism, secularism, relativism.
00:35:17.000 And I think that's where we are today.
00:35:19.000 I think that's why we're being defeated.
00:35:21.000 We've been injured from the inside, like a virus or a parasite.
00:35:29.000 Are you feeling burned out and a little tired?
00:35:31.000 Look, I want to tell you about something that I've become a big believer in.
00:35:34.000 And if you do not know about it, you got to research it.
00:35:36.000 You could fact-check me.
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00:36:00.000 And so what does NAD stand for?
00:36:02.000 Well, try to take a note here.
00:36:04.000 It is nicotinamide adenonide dinucleotide.
00:36:09.000 I did that pretty well, don't you think?
00:36:10.000 NAD.
00:36:11.000 It's a coenzyme that is central to metabolism.
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00:36:19.000 I've been taking NAD for quite some time.
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00:38:22.000 So Dr. Marshall, one of the reasons you're running for the presidency based on your own description is to move the Overton window.
00:38:28.000 What issues in particular do you think are the most movable and the most urgent for us to address?
00:38:35.000 I think the most movable and the most urgent, and I think we still do have a majority.
00:38:40.000 People debate it based on polls, is what is the definition of matrimony?
00:38:47.000 One man, one woman, until death do his part.
00:38:50.000 I still think there's hope for that discussion in America.
00:38:54.000 And the reason I say that one first is because I feel in conservative circles, many candidates and many discussions, they've already moved away from that and considered it lost.
00:39:07.000 Yeah.
00:39:08.000 No, I think, though, Doctor, I think there's a movement that is building to recommit ourselves to that truth.
00:39:18.000 You see, I was certainly guilty of this in 13, 14, 15, where I said, oh, it's a losing issue.
00:39:23.000 Just, you know, my views were always one man, one woman, but I was more passive on talking about it. 0.51
00:39:27.000 I said, whatever, let's just talk about tax policy.
00:39:29.000 That was a mistake.
00:39:30.000 But what you're saying, though, is we need to commit to that.
00:39:34.000 Why is that issue?
00:39:36.000 Is that the first one that just came to your mind?
00:39:37.000 Is it fundamental?
00:39:38.000 Or is it one where you say, hey, look, Anthony Kennedy and his weird Supreme Court case overturning states actually independently voted that marriage was one man, one woman, and they undemocratically basically bulldozed their laws.
00:39:55.000 I think it's one of the fundamental truths that humans know to be true based on natural law, but also based on scripture.
00:40:06.000 I mean, God gave, he made humans in two sexes, male and female, and they have certain anatomical parts that I don't have to explain to everybody here that work to make a baby.
00:40:18.000 And it's just rational that those two people who make a baby would be bound together in order to protect, educate, and raise that new human.
00:40:28.000 It's just very fundamental.
00:40:29.000 And of course, you just open the very first three pages of your Bible and it's all spelled out there.
00:40:37.000 It is the oldest story in the book.
00:40:40.000 So I think we can start there.
00:40:42.000 And I think we have the most success there at the Overton window.
00:40:45.000 Because if you can, if for thousands of years, matrimony has meant this, what I just described, and you say, well, no, the state can come in and redefine marriage.
00:40:57.000 Not the people.
00:40:58.000 The state.
00:40:59.000 That's important.
00:40:59.000 You're right.
00:41:00.000 Yeah, the state.
00:41:01.000 The state. 1.00
00:41:02.000 The state can redefine what marriage is. 1.00
00:41:04.000 Well, then the state can come in and redefine what male and female is.
00:41:10.000 You see, this is a slippery slope.
00:41:12.000 So I think, like you were just saying, you know, a lot of people in the concerted movement are like, well, you know, they need hospital rights and it's not that big of an issue, whatever.
00:41:21.000 But as we have gone down the trail of tears for 10 years, we've realized the connection in the dots.
00:41:29.000 And if the state can redefine marriage, the state can redefine male and female. 0.51
00:41:34.000 And then you start getting into scary things about what the state can redefine.
00:41:38.000 What other issues do you think we should focus on that you think are urgent and winnable in moving the Overton window?
00:41:45.000 Well, the marriage one is, of course, I think, fundamental.
00:41:48.000 I think that's a really important one.
00:41:49.000 I think the other one is human life.
00:41:53.000 There's actually been a growing movement of pro-life advocacy in the last five years, 10 years.
00:42:01.000 We've seen the overturn of Roe v. Wade.
00:42:04.000 I mean, let's just take a moment and consider that for a moment.
00:42:08.000 That is perhaps in the history of the United States of America in the top five moments.
00:42:14.000 And we kind of celebrate it and forgot about it.
00:42:17.000 And a big thank you to President Trump for his appointments and for the Supreme Court justices who worked in the corruption.
00:42:27.000 You guys deserve a lot of credit.
00:42:28.000 And a lot of Catholics and a lot of Catholics and a lot of evangelicals and a lot of other people have good.
00:42:34.000 It was a great coalition.
00:42:35.000 That's a big win.
00:42:35.000 It really was.
00:42:36.000 And I think a lot of us are like, okay, pat on the back, we did it.
00:42:40.000 Now what?
00:42:41.000 No, I mean, that is momentum.
00:42:43.000 And if you look at the like the LGBT community, they take wins and momentum and then they just keep snowballing them and going and going and going. 0.94
00:42:51.000 And I kind of feel like maybe we're not doing that right now.
00:42:55.000 Like we're not keeping the momentum and the trajectory and the wins visible in front of people and reminding them and using that to gain more support, more fundraising, more political action, more education.
00:43:08.000 So I think that's another main issue is the sanctity of life and then continuing the United States discussion, federal state discussion on sanctity of life.
00:43:20.000 So, I think those two right there, I mean, if we could unite on those two issues, definition of matrimony, definition of human person and sanctity of life, Charlie, we could win on all this.
00:43:32.000 We could win on all of this.
00:43:33.000 It is doable.
00:43:34.000 We could win.
00:43:36.000 I agree.
00:43:36.000 So, Dr. Marshall, we have three minutes remaining.
00:43:38.000 I want to do something fun.
00:43:39.000 I'm going to first say one thing that I think Catholics do really well, that I think Protestants need to do better. 0.90
00:43:45.000 And I want you to tell me one thing Protestants do well, you think Catholics could do better. 1.00
00:43:49.000 I think that Protestants need to think longer-term horizon, build more schools, and try to get more people like Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett, Clarence Thomas educated into the highest places of society.
00:44:00.000 Catholics have done this so well, building amazing educational institutions.
00:44:05.000 And look at the cultural impact and footprint they've been able to do.
00:44:09.000 Okay, your turn.
00:44:11.000 So, I think when it comes to evangelicals or Protestants, pushing people to focus on do you love, do you serve Jesus Christ?
00:44:22.000 Is it a personal personal commitment or only institutional?
00:44:26.000 And I think, you know, I'm a Catholic, you know, I love the church, the sacraments, and all these things, the liturgy, the rites.
00:44:32.000 But if you don't have faith in Christ, hope in Christ, love in Christ, St. Paul says you're just a clinging symbol.
00:44:40.000 You have to have the actual commitment to it.
00:44:42.000 And of course, it's important to have the institution and to influence all the institutions, as you just explained.
00:44:48.000 But there has to be the spark of divine love in Christ that motivates all that or it'll all fall apart.
00:44:55.000 And that's what the Eucharist is supposed to represent in Catholicism, right?
00:44:59.000 Which is the actual ability of the divine in a temporal meeting in a moment, which is the culmination of the mass.
00:45:07.000 About a minute and a half remaining.
00:45:09.000 So you're going to run this presidential candidate on the two issues that every Republican consultant tells you not to talk about, right?
00:45:16.000 Can't talk about life, can't talk about marriage, but look, you're here to speak truth and try to build a movement.
00:45:22.000 My hope for you is you're able to get to some oppositional media and actually be able to joust and speak about these things and maybe talk to young people.
00:45:29.000 Make your final case.
00:45:30.000 One minute remaining, Dr. Taylor Marshall.
00:45:33.000 Well, yeah, I've got those two points, and I'm working with consultants and lawyers and clergy and crafting out a 12-point plan, which I hope to release on July 4th, the 4th of July, Independence Day.
00:45:46.000 And these are talking points that I hope to move the Oberton window and to get hopefully discussed on the debate stages, especially with the GOP, with the Republicans.
00:45:56.000 I'd like for a lot of Republican candidates in local races and also all the way up at the top at the presidential race to revisit and continue this momentum on these issues.
00:46:07.000 So I will be releasing the whole thing, God willing, on Independence Day, 4th of July.
00:46:14.000 And in the meantime, if you want to get information and get on the email list and learn about some of these points that we're developing, you can go to my website, taylormarshall.com.
00:46:22.000 And at the very top, you can share your email address.
00:46:26.000 And we're not going to sell it or share it with anyone.
00:46:28.000 We just want to be in touch with you as we prepare to make this big announcement on the 4th of July.
00:46:33.000 Very good.
00:46:33.000 Next time we have you on, we'll talk about those.
00:46:35.000 And I also want to do Aquinas 101 for a population that doesn't have the time or the patience to read the Summa.
00:46:44.000 So you'll lead us through that.
00:46:46.000 That would be my delight.
00:46:47.000 Yes.
00:46:47.000 And I've said for quite some time the world would be a better place than more Aquinas is understood.
00:46:52.000 Thank you, Dr. Marshall.
00:46:53.000 Appreciate it.
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00:46:58.000 God bless you guys.
00:46:59.000 See you tomorrow.
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