Dr. Gad Sad is a great friend of the show and scholar at the Declaration of Independence Center for the Study of American Freedom at the University of Mississippi. He is also the author of The Parasitic Mind and is working on a new book, "Parasitic Mind." Dr. Sad joins us to talk about the tragic loss of Charlie Kirk on September 10th.
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00:01:09.000All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:11.000Andrew Colvid in here, executive producer of this show, joined by Jack Pesobak, uh host of Human Events Daily with Jack Pesobick.
00:01:19.000So honored to have our next guest here, Dr. Gad Sad, who is a great friend of the show, has been a great friend to Charlie Kirk.
00:01:31.000I want to get this title right because he has actually uh a new wonderful title, Dr. Gadsad Scholar at the Declaration of Independence Center for the Study of American Freedom at University of Mississippi.
00:01:45.000Uh is also the author of a bunch of amazing books, The Parasitic Mind.
00:01:57.000Well, Dr. Sad, I want to let you start uh where you know I think it makes sense most, and that is, you know, we haven't had you back on the show since uh, you know, Charlie was taken from us on September 10th.
00:02:48.000My daughter, who's 16 years old, never asked for me to introduce her to anybody.
00:02:54.000When I was appearing on Charlie's show this last time, she came home excitedly and said, could you please just introduce me to Charlie?
00:03:03.000And so that kind of gives you a sense.
00:03:05.000I'm 61 years old and a fan of Charlie, and my 16-year-old is a fan of Charlie.
00:03:11.000So uh it is an immeasurable tragedy, but here we are uh promoting his legacy, so hopefully he lives on in all our hearts and minds.
00:03:20.000Dr. Sad, maybe that's the next best place to start is you know, you talk about his legacy.
00:03:26.000I don't typically throw this question out to people, but you are a public intellectual, you are uh a great thinker, you have a way of distilling ideas.
00:03:36.000What is Charlie's legacy in your mind and what do you hope that it will grow into?
00:03:42.000You know, there are several ways by which I could answer this question.
00:03:45.000I'll I'll take a stab at one or two ways.
00:03:47.000Number one, you know, in chapter in the last chapter of the parasitic mind, I ask people to activate their inner honey badger.
00:03:55.000And I use that terminology because the honey badger has been officially uh classified as the most fierce animal in the animal kingdom.
00:04:05.000Now, I don't mean when I say activate your inner honey badger for you to be violently ferocious, but it means, you know, get off the couch and do big things, stand tall.
00:04:15.000And Charlie was not only physically tall at six foot four, but he was a tall honey badger, in that at 18 years old, when most of us are worried about how we're going to get through the next day, as you know, with teenaged angst, he starts off something that is absolutely impossible that most people in their 80s wouldn't dare start.
00:04:37.000And so, first of all, the fact that he had the chutzpah, right?
00:04:41.000Which is a Yiddish word for sort of existential gall, the fact that he had the confidence to say at 18 years old, I'm not going to university.
00:04:49.000I've got better ways to be able to contribute to the cause is something that we could all uh cherish and be inspired by.
00:04:57.000But then the fact that he was able to cater to the young people to get involved, to get excited, so that my daughter is not asking me to introduce her to Elon Musk, but is asking me to introduce her to Charlie Kirk that says everything you need to hear about his legacy.
00:05:14.000He is a unique individual in that he had the intellect, he had the political ability to organize, he had the warmth, right?
00:05:24.000He always has a smile, even when he's engaging in difficult debates, he's warm, he's engaging.
00:05:30.000So he's he's he's an immeasurable loss, truly, one in a generation type of fellow.
00:05:38.000And but he his memory and his legacy will live on.
00:05:42.000And you know, we're committed at turning point on the show to growing it to expanding it as best we can.
00:05:48.000And the outpouring of love and support that we've seen, both at the show, but uh at the students on campuses, uh, has been truly, truly wonderful and heartening to see.
00:05:57.000Now, Dr. Sad, you you we are going to get into some news of the day with you because you have a way of making sense of the chaos, unlike few can.
00:06:06.000But I do want to pick up on something we touched on in the previous hour, and that is the rise of Islam.
00:06:12.000It's something you and Charlie talked a lot about.
00:06:14.000And I just want to play one clip from a conversation that you had with Charlie on this show, 290.
00:06:25.000I would repeatedly hear from Arabic speaking Muslim-speaking immigrants, and in this case, it was in Canada, always say that the West is a woman to be mounted.
00:06:37.000And what the reflex that that captures is that all of the virtues that we think as laudable in the West, compassion, magnanimity, uh, generosity, empathy, are heard as weakness, weakness, weakness, and weakness by cultures that don't necessarily share our infinite largesse.
00:07:00.000And so it's exactly what they're saying.
00:07:03.000West is weak, it's a woman, therefore, really quick.
00:07:07.000And we we've seen those clips go viral where you can actually hear them in their own words say the West is a woman to be mounted, especially if we see.
00:07:14.000I think the clip that I've seen was from uh the UK, a place that Charlie visited uh relatively uh recently before, I mean, soon before uh the tragic events of September 10th happened.
00:07:25.000And so he saw it up close, and you had zeroed in on this idea of suicidal empathy.
00:07:29.000This this it's almost uh uh an opening that both the left and Islam were exploiting.
00:07:37.000Uh, maybe I could give you a a quick synopsis of the framework of suicidal empathy.
00:07:43.000Many people have wrongly uh presumed that what I mean by suicidal empathy is that empathy is a bad thing.
00:07:51.000Of course, nothing could be further from the truth.
00:07:54.000We are a social species, and therefore it makes perfect evolutionary sense that that empathy would be part of our repertoire of possible strategies, right?
00:08:04.000For you and I to have a meaningful conversation, I need to put myself in your mind, and vice versa.
00:08:10.000That's called theory of mind, which is part of cognitive empathy.
00:08:14.000Autistic children, for example, fail a theory of mind test.
00:08:18.000This is how we uh diagnose them as being autistic.
00:08:21.000So empathy, when properly modulated to the right targets in the right situations in the right amounts, is a perfectly relevant and appropriate evolutionary response.
00:08:34.000The problem arises, as is the case with many psychiatric disorders, when you have a dysregulation of this otherwise beneficial virtue, right?
00:08:43.000So, for example, laughter is great, right?
00:08:46.000It has medicinal properties, but then you could have pseudo-balbar effect, what the Joker in the movie had, where he, because of abuse, he starts laughing uncontrollably in wrong situations, or the way Kamala Uh Harris can cackle the way that she does, that becomes an inappropriate form of laughter.
00:09:05.000And so suicidal empathy takes this beautiful virtue, and then because it becomes dysregulated, it becomes hyperactive and it targets the wrong targets, leads to the demise of the West.
00:09:19.000And unless we get rid of this reflex really quickly, I can assure you that the West will fall.
00:09:25.000It might take five years, it might take 50 years, or it might take 500 years, but it will fall the way many other societies have.
00:09:34.000I, you know, and I I think of basically what MAGA is, what conservatism has transformed into, in large part thanks to President Trump, but also to Charlie Kirk and others, is that it now has a muscularness to it.
00:09:47.000It has it has a backbone, it has a fighting chance.
00:09:50.000Ultimately, that's why the left hates it so much, because it's effective.
00:09:53.000Because it is the it is the anti-venom, it is the counteraction to what the left has been doing in this country since essentially post-World War II in the uh the invasion, the the the move in our institutions, the long march through the institutions of progressivism of liberalism, uh, in a negative sense, obviously, in that second sense, in the second word.
00:10:15.000But yeah, this is the this is the anti-venom of what we've what we're doing at MAGA, what we're doing in the conservative movement and President Trump.
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00:11:28.000I want to uh share with the audience a little bit of breaking news right now.
00:11:31.000President Trump has just concluded his call with uh Vladimir Putin.
00:11:37.000They've been on a very long call, and it looks like he's saying that they have agreed to send uh high high-ranking delegates led by Marco Rubio to meet.
00:11:47.000Uh, and then they are going to, after that meeting with high-level advisors, the United States will be meeting, or President Trump will be meeting with uh Putin in Budapest.
00:11:59.000So President Trump, hot off the heels of getting peace in the Middle East, is now going to be meeting with uh President Putin in the near term.
00:12:08.000So hopefully we can get that as he calls it inglorious war between Russia and Ukraine brought to an end.
00:12:13.000He is going to be meeting with President Zelensky tomorrow here in Washington, DC.
00:12:18.000So uh Jack, that feels like a good time to throw to you.
00:12:22.000Uh yeah, you you are uh you you you do uh have a bit of a feel for Eastern Europe as well as uh war analysis in general.
00:12:32.000Yeah, no, I mean uh look, I've I've traveled to the war um a couple weeks after it started in back in uh March of 2022, or excuse me, May of 2022.
00:12:42.000Um, I've been to Budapest a few times.
00:12:46.000I accompanied the president's delegation as a new media member there aboard Air Force One when he met with Putin um just uh in Alaska just a few weeks ago in Alaska.
00:12:55.000So I was in the room with himself, Putin, Lavrov, all the rest.
00:13:10.000Um, but Dr. Sad, maybe maybe comment really quickly.
00:13:13.000We we we've been told that American leadership on the world stage was coming to an end, that Trump was going to ruin America's standing in the world, and yet here he is pulling off win after win after win, achieving peace.
00:13:24.000Uh tie that into what it means for the West that that America's leadership is strong and robust, and we're leading the way.
00:13:32.000Look, uh, to to go back to our earlier conversation where many Muslims say the West is a woman to be mounted.
00:13:39.000Uh President Trump lives in the real world where he actually understands human nature.
00:13:45.000He he may not call himself an evolutionary psychologist, but he is an evolutionary psychologist because throughout his long and successful life, he's had to deal with many people, whether it be in his real estate life or in his TV life, where his ability to succeed in those forums stems from his you know understanding of human nature.
00:14:07.000And so having people like Joe Biden and the others super sweet and kind and empathetic diplomats who cross their legs like Justin Trudeau might look nice because you could show off your really colorful socks, but that's not that's not what really nasty folks around the world respect, right?
00:14:26.000So on the you know, I come from the Middle East.
00:14:28.000In the Middle East, we have the the creed, right?
00:14:31.000Might is right, or as you probably, of course, know the old term, you know, if you wish to have uh peace, prepare for war.
00:14:39.000There are endless, you know, military dictums that speak to the fact that it's nice to have a velvet glove while you're shaking someone's uh hands, but make sure that behind your back you have a really big stick, right?
00:14:53.000As you also know, speak softly but carry a big stick, right?
00:14:58.000So all of these maxims exist throughout history because the world doesn't exist in a utopia in a democratic progressive utopia.
00:15:08.000It exists in the real world where people respect might, and Donald Trump exemplifies that.
00:15:15.000That's why you're seeing win after win.
00:15:17.000Well, Dr. Sadd, you know, you're you're reminding me of something you said on the show with Charlie years ago.
00:15:23.000Uh I I remember it very clearly because we were at Berkeley, and he was about to do a campus stop at Berkeley and a tabling stop there.
00:15:36.000So we set up, you know, in some back room, we set up a kind of a mobile mobile studio in some back room at Berkeley.
00:15:44.000And you you guys were talking about gender ideology and the transing of youth and this things, but it but it relates to this conversation too.
00:15:53.000I don't know that he always gave you attribution, but I remember hearing it and going, oh, that's a good line.
00:15:57.000I texted to him, he's like, oh, totally, that's great.
00:16:00.000But you said the the pesky shackles of uh reality, the pesky shackles of reality, the these things like you might think you can fly, but you're gonna jump off a building and find out really quick that gravity still pulls you down.
00:16:12.000You might think that uh the the rules of nature, nature's god don't apply to you, but just test nature's god and find out.
00:16:19.000Um so so I I I love that because you you're you are a realist, Trump is a pragmatist, uh, and he knows that the vile monsters on the stage, it's better to work with them, it's better to have them fear you and respect you uh than to be cowed by them.
00:16:33.000So uh, Dr. Sadd, I'm a little upset at Jack right now because Jack uh spilled the news that uh I spilled coffee in the world.
00:16:41.000Not all that's being spilled around here, yeah.
00:16:42.000And then now he's spilling tea, coffee, all the things.
00:16:46.000Uh but it but listen, I I love this because uh, well, I don't love the coffee spill.
00:17:00.000What I love here though, Dr. Sad is that you and Jack Pesobuk are on a show together.
00:17:03.000I think um you and you and Jack have disagreed on on minor, honestly, very minor things in the past.
00:17:09.000But in the in this post-era uh of this post-Charlie era, we all have to come together, and I love that.
00:17:16.000And you know, I I feel like if you look at the the metal ceremony, Dr. Sad, you had all these fox hosts, you had uh senators and congressmen that don't always see eye to eye coming together to celebrate Charlie.
00:17:28.000And uh so I'm just glad this moment is happening and uh Jack, I don't know about it.
00:17:32.000Well, no, I actually the the question that I had, and and uh honestly was you know, really to kind of pick your brain because you you have such a good theory of mind of the left and such a good theory of mind of you have this ability to really get into what makes them tick.
00:17:47.000And one of the things that we've all been grappling with here, Dr. Sad, is this this idea that there is this kid, Tyler Robinson, an ex-Mormon or comes from a Mormon family, would then find himself on a roof hundreds of miles away from where he lives in a relationship with a trans boyfriend,
00:18:07.000so a biological male who was transitioning to a female, and then somehow thinks he's defending his boyfriend by, and again, allegedly legally speaking, pulling a trigger and shooting Charlie Kirk.
00:18:20.000And I wonder at all if you could possibly attempt to unpack that twisted psychology for us.
00:18:28.000Uh so I taught I don't know if you guys have heard me discuss uh the difference between deontological ethics and consequentialist ethics.
00:18:37.000So it might be worth repeating it here, even if some of the viewers might be familiar with it.
00:18:41.000Deontological ethics are absolute statements.
00:18:43.000So for example, if I say it is never okay to lie, that would be a deontological statement.
00:18:49.000If I were to say it's okay to lie to spare someone's feelings, I would be engaging in consequentialism.
00:18:56.000And of course, for many things in life, we are all consequentialists.
00:18:59.000I always joke, although I'm being serious, that if you wish to have a long, happy marriage, if you hear the following question, do I look fat in those genes?
00:19:07.000Very quickly put on your consequentialist hat.
00:19:10.000And even if you have to slightly lie, you're doing it because you love your spouse and you don't want to hurt her feelings.
00:19:17.000But when it comes to certain foundational principles that certainly define the unique American experience, presumption of innocence in the courtroom, freedom of speech, freedom of inquiry, those things cannot be consequentialist principles, right?
00:19:33.000So if I say I believe in freedom of speech, but not if you marginalize a particular group, then I'm succumbing to consequentialism.
00:19:41.000So to now wrap that up to your question, I think what this uh the alleged assassin has done is he's drank from the Kool-Aid of the pool of consequentialism, which basically says Charlie Kirk is such a dangerous guy that the deontological principle of freedom of speech and exchange of ideas no longer applies to Charlie Kirk.
00:20:04.000He is saying words that are akin to violence.
00:20:07.000So if I stand on that rooftop and take him out, boy, I should be lauded as a hero rather than be put in prison.
00:20:15.000So that's what makes consequentialism so dangerous.
00:20:19.000And so in his mind, it's almost like he he feels as though he's he's defending uh his his boyfriend, his lover.
00:20:26.000Um, again, we don't know all the specific details there, but I'm just just going off of what we've seen.
00:20:32.000And and it's it's a complete, you know, you talk about this the um tox suicidal toxic empathy.
00:20:38.000It seems like it's almost that suicidal empathy, but in in the person of one individual here.
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00:21:57.000We are with Dr. Gad Sad, who is a uh scholar at the University of Mississippi.
00:22:05.000So you you've you are, you know, you're just loving the South now, huh, Doc, Dr. Sad?
00:22:10.000Oh, I gotta tell you, I I am the only thing that I'm lacking to be a full Southerner is that I grotesquely lack in height.
00:22:19.000Now, if you want to feel like your self-esteem is is going to take a hit, if you're six feet tall in the South, you're rather height challenged.
00:22:29.000And So the only complaint I have about Mississippi thus far is that everyone is over six foot four when I am merely the height of Linel Messi.
00:22:40.000So I'm struggling with those ego issues, but otherwise, I am loving the South.
00:23:22.000Sure enough, he's posted on the left seems to love it because I'm not disavowing the New York Republicans.
00:23:27.000I have no idea about the context of them.
00:23:30.000My position on disavowing the New York Young Republicans is that when listen, the Democrat Party gets to a point where they want to call Jay Jones to pull out of the race, and they disavow him by actually disavowing him and saying they denounced the uh anybody that would run for the top cop in the state of Virginia that would fetishize murdering his political opponents, which obviously is an issue very near and dear to me.
00:23:53.000Anyways, this is uh this is a clip uh 274.
00:23:56.000Political violence overwhelmingly comes from the right.
00:23:59.000These mass shootings come from the right.
00:24:01.000My dear friend was just killed by left-wing violence, assassinated in cold blood.
00:24:05.000There has been how many ice facilities that have been targeted?
00:24:28.000This was from September 12th through the 15th.
00:24:30.000So just in the immediate aftermath of Charlie's murder, and it shows that almost 30% of liberals that are self-described liberals between the ages of 18 and 39 justify political violence.
00:24:43.000You see that blue dot over on the left side of your of the of the screen.
00:24:47.000It is an outlier of outliers, Dr. Sad.
00:25:00.000It is per I'm speaking now if I were one of the progressives.
00:25:03.000It is perfectly fine to engage in political violence when you are facing the existential threat of Orange Himmler, Donald Trump, and so on, right?
00:25:13.000So again, look, I don't know if you remember in 1960, the Mossad had uh identified where Adolf Eichmann was hiding, and he was in Argentina.
00:25:24.000And they could have easily put a bullet in his head to you know, met out justice, but they wanted to stay true to the deontological principle, which is that even someone like Adolf Eichmann deserves his day in court.
00:25:39.000So they ended up at great personal cost or risk and great diplomatic risk, tried to get him out of Argentina so that he could have his day in court in Israel.
00:25:51.000Of course, eventually he was found guilty and was hung.
00:25:55.000But that shows you the difference between what the left does, and in this case what Israel did, which is even Eichmann deserves his day in court.
00:26:06.000Yeah, well, that's that's uh fascinating insight, Dr. Sad.
00:26:10.000Um, you know, listen, I I think my my belief here is that of course we want to get to a point of political unity, unanimity on the issue of political violence.
00:26:22.000But in order to get there, we have to confront a very unfortunate truth in this country, and that is that there is one side of the political aisle that has begun to justify, and you put it beautifully, what the rationale or the philosophical undernings of why.
00:26:38.000But they but that is the truth that we must confront, that they have completely abandoned the liberal values of a constitutional republic of open debate, open dialogue, the very values that Charlie himself espoused and championed.
00:26:51.000And I we cannot forget that the assassin on these bullets had Bella Chow had uh catch fascist, uh hey fascist catch uh on on the bullet casings.
00:27:02.000This is this is an he may not have been a card carrying member of of Antifa, but he was certainly inspired by them.
00:27:15.000You've talked about it as if it's a parasite, which which continues, but we're also talking about anti-venom.
00:27:22.000We're also talking about potential cures.
00:27:25.000Is there a way to reach people who and again, but perhaps not so that are um some that are so far gone that they would you know pull the trigger themselves, but we also saw in the wake of Charlie's murder, thousands upon thousands of people taking to social media, celebrating, clapping, cheering this on.
00:27:45.000And these were not card-carrying members of Antifa.
00:27:48.000These were people in positions of authority.
00:27:50.000There were you saw you had pilots, you had doctors, nurses, HR departments, uh all over the place where people seem to share in this belief.
00:28:01.000Is there any way to kind of break them out of this?
00:28:04.000Yeah, that's a that's a great question, and and one that I struggle with often when I'm trying to decide whether to engage someone in terms of whether I could flip them, if I could administer the mind vaccine to them or not.
00:28:17.000And it's not always obvious that your your time is not going to be wasted on some people.
00:28:22.000But I do think, and maybe here I'm being naively optimistic.
00:28:26.000I do think that with enough showing of the evidence, uh, people can come around, but it takes a lot of dogged efforts.
00:28:35.000So, for example, I had a person who in 2010 I had had a very, very difficult email exchange with.
00:28:43.000Well, it took her 14 years, but then last year she came around and said, Oh boy, I wish I could have listened to you back in 2010.
00:28:53.000Uh, she was one of those super progressive liberal Jews who was very upset that I was saying some detrimental things about Islam because her friend is a Muslim woman and she's very peaceful and kind and empathetic.
00:29:07.000And I was, you know, not adding to the ecosystem of love by spreading hateful things about Islam and so on.
00:29:14.000Well, 14 years later, she said, oops, I guess I was wrong.
00:29:17.000So I'd like to think that with enough evidence, people can potentially be reached.
00:29:23.000But here's where I'm gonna hit you with the counterpoint that's slightly more pessimistic.
00:29:28.000I was recently asked on a show by a British psychiatrist.
00:29:31.000What is the singular thing that has most surprised me about human nature in all the years that I've studied human behavior?
00:29:38.000And I'm I don't think you're gonna be happy to hear this.
00:29:41.000I said the difficulty to get someone to change their opinions once they are fully anchored.
00:29:47.000So it takes a Herculean effort, but hopefully we're all up for the challenge.
00:29:52.000Well, that's exactly why we were devoting so much, and we are devoting so much of our energies, Dr. Sad, to ensuring that these high school chapters get off the ground.
00:30:01.000I will never forget it was it we were in Aspen a couple weeks before we were we were having a retreat um for for donors of Turning Point USA, and Charlie was working on the presentation the night before he was going to present it to everybody, and he he his vision was very clear.
00:30:17.000He wanted a Club America chapter in every high school in the country.
00:30:21.000And you know, getting getting to students before they get completely ideologically brainwashed at the university, uh universities where Dr. Sad is not is not uh a professor, of course, uh, is critical.
00:30:34.000Yeah, obviously the university chapters are are critical as well.
00:31:01.000I basically said, listen, I'm willing to have a conversation about it, but until you uh tell me that you're willing to disavow the uh John uh what the I just blame Jay Jones, gosh.
00:31:13.000Jay Jones, uh attorney general candidate, Democrat in the state of John James in Michigan, if you like Jay Jones.
00:31:19.000So until you're willing to actually tell him he needs to drop out of the race, then listen, we have we're gonna we're gonna be at an impasse here.
00:31:25.000I'm willing to have a conversation about some of the things that were said.
00:31:27.000I I don't agree with some of the things that were said.
00:31:29.000I don't understand The context of them.
00:31:32.000We are in this hyperpolarized environment because I have never gotten so many compliments from people about my performance last night saying, based, you know, way to go, way not to, way not to, you know, they were proud of me for not doing the disavow ritual on stage with Chris Cuomo and this Midas Touch Kid, because that's what he wanted.
00:31:50.000He wanted this clip to be able to put it on social media.
00:31:55.000And it does raise an interesting point about, you know, social media.
00:31:59.000I'm being told by authorities a lot of this stuff happens on gamer chats, right?
00:32:03.000This is a lot of this radicalization fully anchoring into these ideas is happening on these these uh Discord chats and things like this.
00:32:11.000So what is the solution when it comes to the fact that we are just living in completely different algorithms where we seem to be getting further apart because of the machines?
00:32:20.000Yeah, well, I mean, I I try to do my part in terms of reaching the this the young people at the university level, but I think what made, you know, to your original question about Charlie's legacy, the fact that he's able to reach nobody wants to listen to you know a 61-year-old professor with gray hair, but people want kids want to listen to Charlie, right?
00:32:41.000Because he seems only slightly older than him.
00:32:44.000And his brilliance is actually, I mean, it really needs to be highlighted.
00:32:50.000When I teach consumer psychology, and I explain to the students that we can't sell chewing gum to 10 year olds because they don't yet have the cognitive apparatus to fight against the advertising message message that's thrown at them.
00:33:06.000So that's why all the ideologues try to get to your children early, right?
00:33:11.000That's why we have, you know, twerking drag queens for during uh, you know, reading hour when they're five and six years old.
00:33:19.000Because the ideologues understand that that we need to get to the children very early before they have developed the cognitive armory to protect themselves against the nonsense.
00:33:31.000And so I did my part at the university level.
00:33:34.000God willing, you guys will be doing it at an earlier age bracket, and hopefully we can administer the mind vaccine globally.
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00:35:23.000But you know, there is this thought that I've been having, Dr. Sad, is that this reaction to the resorting to violence.
00:35:30.000There is this thought that I've that keeps occurring to me, you know, and I said this last night at the town hall, you just need better ideas.
00:35:36.000I mean, part of the reason that the the left is losing the social media uh battle is because their ideas do not hold up to scrutiny.
00:35:44.000And once they are allowed to be scrutinized in an equal setting, equal footing, they tend to fall apart.
00:35:51.000Ours go viral because they're common sense.
00:35:53.000Yeah, can I can I just say something about X and Elon, which by the way, the only one, right?
00:35:57.000We have like X, and I guess like a little bit of CBS Right now, maybe I don't know.
00:36:01.000You know, and and Elon didn't come in and start boosting conservatives, though.
00:36:08.000What he did is he came in and he stopped banning conservatives.
00:36:12.000He stopped censoring conservatives and he instituted one tier standard for everyone.
00:36:19.000And then he also instituted community notes and all the rest.
00:36:22.000And that for some reason to them made them so upset that they all started running over to Blue Sky.
00:36:27.000It wasn't in a boost of engagement that Bernie Sanders is saying, it was actually leveling the playing field to an equal standard.
00:36:35.000And I'll just Yeah, maybe I'll add a point.
00:36:38.000So it is true, of course, that in the battle of ideas, the conservative ideas, of course, we would all agree are much better than the progressive ones.
00:36:46.000But I want to introduce a slight cosmetic point that speaks to sort of the virality on social media.
00:36:53.000In my happiness book, my my the book after the parasitic mind, uh I talk about the research, not my own research, but there's unequivocal research that shows that on average, conservative score much uh higher on happiness than do progressives and liberals.
00:37:13.000So that if you look at and the reason, by the way, if I can just explain it very quickly, the conservative, I argue wakes up in the morning.
00:37:21.000He may not live in a perfect society, but there are things worth conserving if you are a conservative by the definition of that term.
00:37:29.000The progressive wakes up with unbelievable existential angst.
00:37:34.000I live in a supremacist society, white supremacy, transphobic, Islamophobic, built on slavery.
00:37:40.000Therefore, I need to eradicate the current society, and around the corner, they'll be unicornia.
00:38:04.000And so I think that certainly is an additional element beyond just the quality of the ideas that makes people uh more drawn to some of the leading conservative figures.
00:38:15.000That's I think that's a really smart point.
00:38:18.000I've never actually thought about that, thought about it that way, Dr. said we live in a state of gratitude and of a of a sense of I would say obligation of duty to conserve the good, the true, and the beautiful.
00:38:31.000Uh, things we're grateful for, things we have joy knowing that they exist.
00:38:35.000The the progressive mind lives in a state of existential dread because they believe the world is not good, true, or beautiful right now, and they want to make it that way.
00:38:43.000And so they're willing to tear down all the edifices they see as in between them and their utopia that is simply never going to exist on planet earth.
00:38:51.000And that dichotomy is why you you liberals tend to wear their dread on their face, whereas conservatives tend to be happy.
00:39:00.000And I it was funny because that also kind of like like like it's like self-effacing, right?
00:39:05.000It's like it's like you you you hate yourself, so you look worse, and then it's like you know what I mean.
00:39:10.000But it's funny because I you know, sometimes I would notice on social media in the wake of this tragedy, Dr. Sad, that some people would say, Oh, you guys aren't mourning enough.
00:39:47.000I don't have to like God's plan all the time, at least in my flesh, but I trust it.
00:39:51.000And there is there is a sense of of higher purpose at play that I am willing to you know park my emotions in my flesh at the door and trust the Lord.
00:40:01.000I want to play this other clip, Dr. Sabb, because it it it's again, we're talking about this AOC Bernie Town Hall, Caroline Levitt's weighing in, saying we we now have the two new leaders of the Democrat Party.
00:40:11.000Tough to argue with that uh observation.
00:40:14.000Uh but she can't, she really struggles to give Trump credit for his pe this peace deal in the Middle East.
00:40:19.000And I I want to dive into what that says at a deeper level about our politics in this country.
00:40:25.000Maybe I'm wrong about the ceasefire in Gaza.
00:40:28.000Do you believe President Trump deserves credit for that?
00:40:30.000Well, you know, I find these there have been several ceasefire announcements and developments that have happened over the past two years.
00:40:39.000As President Trump was on the plane back to the United States, there's already indications and questions about whether this ceasefire will hold.
00:41:23.000Dr. Sadd, what does this tell us about the state of politics where we can't leave our domestic issues at the shoreline like we used to and sort of present a United Front internationally?
00:41:34.000You know, I thank you for that question because in the way that I'm going to answer it, it it shows the power of studying psychology and behavioral science.
00:41:43.000So here's the answer to your wonderful question.
00:41:46.000There is a great book by two French cognitive psychologists by the name of Sperber and Mercier.
00:41:53.000The book is titled The Enigma of Reason, where they argued that our capacity to reason did not evolve in order to achieve some objective truth, but rather it evolved to win arguments.
00:42:07.000So that even when we are applying our faculty of reasoning, we are doing it in a tribal coalitional manner, right?
00:42:15.000So it doesn't matter if Andrew convinces me that my position is wrong, and therefore I will have the humility to say, thank you for correcting me, Andrew.
00:42:26.000I will double down, triple down forevermore because my team can't lose.
00:42:31.000That's exactly what AOC AOC is showing.
00:42:34.000She is showing that she's not an honest interlocutor.
00:42:38.000All that matters is that I don't give credit where credit is due.
00:42:43.000I can never accept the fact that Trump might have done something that was decent, and therefore I'm going to try to avoid giving him the due credit.
00:42:54.000So I suppose is it possible then that we are able to return to a point in this country where things like being an American are where what we see as our tribe.
00:43:09.000And I this is one of the reasons that I think that uh Trump's defense of the American flag, uh, fighting against the the kneeling at the during the national anthem during uh the the Super Bowl and NFL games, that if you bring everyone under one umbrella of saying we're all American citizens, we may have disagreements on uh on our SEC team and our our our Super Bowl team, or Andrew and I are crosswise because his Dodgers beat my Phillies in the uh three to one in the darn nearest.
00:44:02.000Yeah, let me let me give you an example.
00:44:04.000I recently had on my show NS Kander Freedom, the former NBA player, right, who retired to play for Boston Celtics, right?
00:44:11.000Now, this guy's from Muslim background, but I don't care that he's Muslim, even though I don't have nice things to say about Islam because he exemplifies the types of immigrants that we want in the United States or in the West.
00:44:24.000He comes to the United States and says, I want to be to Jack's point, I want to be united under the common rubric called the United States.
00:44:31.000I'm Canadian, yet I'm at Old Miss at a center called the Declaration of Independence Center for the Study of American Freedom, because I embody, and I I'd like to think I exemplify all of the values of American exceptionalism.
00:44:47.000So you're exactly spot on, no more hyphenated Americans.
00:44:51.000If you are American, you believe in our foundational principles, and then welcome in my brother.
00:44:56.000If you don't, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
00:45:00.000And that is a perfect place to leave it.
00:45:02.000Dr. Gad Sadd, uh a southerner from uh who's rooting for old myths.