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00:01:30.000With us right now is somebody that I I think I watched for over a decade, my entire life, on sunday night football and I think any.
00:01:39.000I think she was somewhere before sunday night football and with us is Michelle Tofoya, host of Sideline Sanity podcast and formerly with Nbc's sunday night football sideline reporter.
00:01:51.000Michelle, welcome to the Charlie Kirk show.
00:01:55.000I appreciate it, of course, and so tell us about your story.
00:01:58.000You were canceled in some way, shape or form.
00:02:01.000I think it'd be really curious for our audience to learn about it.
00:02:04.000Well, you know what I really wasn't, and some people are under the assumption that I was fired from NBC, or let go, or we.
00:02:12.000No, I had given my notice to NBC back in 2018 because I wanted to start a podcast believe it or not, a lot of people can't believe that because the gig on sunday night football was amazing.
00:02:26.000It was all incredible, but I didn't feel like I was using my voice in the way that I wanted to be using my voice.
00:02:33.000It was a very limiting job for someone like me who has a lot to say.
00:02:38.000And so uh, while I gave my notice in 2018, 2019 was supposed to be my final year.
00:02:45.000Then they said, could you just get us through the Super Bowl in a couple?
00:02:48.000So I stayed the extra covet year and then the following season to get them through this Los Angeles Super Bowl as, as they put it, and it was a joy, but in the meantime yeah, I I couldn't express a lot of the things I wanted to express, because I didn't want to bring any controversy to the network or to the show and unfortunately, sometimes the most innocuous things can bring controversy.
00:03:11.000So they were very careful Careful, and I respected that and that's why I stepped away.
00:03:15.000So I want to talk to you about kind of the erosion in trust in media.
00:03:24.000This is NBC's Katie Tour admitting that no one trusts them anymore and wondering out loud whether or not they're doing more harm than good.
00:04:07.000Am I doing the right job the right way, et cetera, et cetera?
00:04:10.000I watch White House press conferences very often and get so frustrated because I don't think these journalists, and I almost put those little air quotes because they're not doing their jobs the way that they should.
00:04:25.000So often there's no pushback on the questions.
00:04:27.000There's just, it's very, it's as though they're there, they're honored to be there.
00:04:32.000They think that it is an honor to be there.
00:04:34.000And I suppose that it is an honor to be a White House correspondent, but do the job, ask the tough questions.
00:04:40.000And we just aren't seeing a lot of that.
00:04:41.000And then I think, too, there's just been this erosion given the way that the media has really shown its bias.
00:04:49.000I don't think there's any arguing that.
00:04:52.000And, you know, everyone comes back with, well, Fox News, this and Newsmax that.
00:04:57.000Well, yes, I think there had to be some sort of an answer to the very left-leaning mainstream media, if you will, legacy media, whatever you'd like to call it.
00:05:07.000And so Roger Ailes, I think, very brilliantly decided, let's go this other direction.
00:05:13.000And as you've seen, there is just as big an audience for a different point of view.
00:05:21.000So, you know, and I respect the job that Fox News does with its journalists, too.
00:05:26.000I'm not just talking about its opinions, its opinion editors and writers and anchors, but it's news.
00:05:33.000But yes, we've been misinformed multiple times.
00:05:51.000Did you, how did you see this kind of censorship regime impact what you did at NBC?
00:05:57.000I mean, NBC has been, I mean, I'm not a fan, obviously, at all, but sports has become very political.
00:06:05.000And this has kind of infected what's happened there.
00:06:08.000What can you tell our audience about how that impacted kind of what you saw at NBC?
00:06:15.000Well, fortunately, in the world of sports, even though, yes, it did become more political, you didn't have quote unquote censorship.
00:06:24.000We, at Sunday Night Football, at any rate, we wanted to simply document what was going on in the game.
00:06:31.000And very oftentimes, that meant, starting with Colin Kaepernick, the kneeling, that whole anthem era, we covered the national anthem in a totally different way because we were looking for, okay, who is kneeling?
00:06:47.000Or how are people supporting the kneelers or who's not kneeling?
00:06:51.000It was just a very big part of the story.
00:06:54.000So I didn't see really censorship in that regard.
00:06:58.000What I will say, and I was very fortunate to work at NBC Sports.
00:07:03.000And I think you have to separate NBC Sports from the rest of NBC.
00:07:08.000They're all their own entities, and certainly Sunday Night Football was its own little gem.
00:07:15.000And we just wanted to document things and get things right.
00:07:19.000At the same time, in 2018, when I wanted to start a podcast, I sent my demo episode to some folks at NBC Sports and said, this is the kind of thing I want to do.
00:07:29.000And they just said, can we please ask you to wait until you leave NBC?
00:07:34.000Because, you know, we don't want to bring any kind of shade onto Sunday night football.
00:07:43.000I'm very loyal to the people who brought me on there.
00:07:47.000It's a family at NBC Sports that's unique.
00:07:50.000And so, but they didn't want my opinions verbalized very widely.
00:07:57.000And so then when I went on the view in November or October, November of my last season of Sunday Night Football, they allowed me to do that.
00:08:06.000We all knew it was my final season of Sunday Night Football.
00:09:40.000So I think this is just an additional sort of slap in the face to women who have been competing and working their butts off to compete against one another in this classification for their entire lives, being denied a spot on a team, being denied a spot at NCAAs, being denied a spot on the podium.
00:10:01.000And now this, I'm just, I'm a little flabbergasted.
00:10:32.000Look, we talk about current events a lot on this show, but there's other things that are in life that are bigger than current events, bigger things.
00:10:37.000We try to do some shows every so often on these things.
00:10:40.000But look, what am I talking about when I say that?
00:10:44.000Right and wrong, prayer and the Bible or heaven and hell.
00:10:47.000So look, the great C.S. Lewis, who's one of the most amazing minds ever to exist, who's a master at addressing these questions.
00:10:56.000And that is why Hillsdale College, the great college, the only college, in my opinion, wants you to learn more about him and his writings in their newest free online course, C.S. Lewis on Christianity.
00:11:08.000And it all starts with taking a short quiz to find out how much you already know about Lewis.
00:11:13.000He wrote more than the Narnia series, by the way.
00:12:08.000Michelle, I want to talk to you about this story in Minneapolis involving Andrew Teckel Sundberg.
00:12:17.000In the day following the death of Andrew Teckel Sundberg after an hours-long standoff in an apartment building in the Seward neighborhood of Minneapolis, a newly released search warrant says snipers from the Minneapolis Police Department fired the fatal rounds that killed him.
00:12:29.000And then it seems as if BLM comes in response to try to gin up all this controversy.
00:12:37.000I'll tell you what I do know, and I certainly haven't reported on it, but I do live here in the area.
00:12:42.000So this young man was in an apartment and began to shoot bullets through the wall of his apartment, allegedly.
00:12:50.000I'm just going to say allegedly for now.
00:12:52.000The woman whose apartment was receiving the incoming bullets called 911, which if you might remember back in 2020, a Minneapolis city councilwoman called 911, being able to call 911, coming from a place of privilege.
00:13:18.000They try to extricate her and her two small children from this situation without getting them hurt any further.
00:13:25.000The police take then some oncoming bullet fire.
00:13:32.000So what ends up happening following that is a six-hour standoff.
00:13:37.000The parents of this young man, by the way, they were adoptive parents, come and text with him, phone with him, send him videos, according to all the reporting, and try to talk him down from what they're calling a mental health situation.
00:13:52.000And I frankly would argue that most kind of these sort of shootings result from a mental health situation.
00:16:35.000They weren't there for him before all of this.
00:16:37.000People go to the moment of the shooting and conveniently forget about everything that led up to that moment when there could have been intervention and there wasn't.
00:16:48.000She almost died and they're mourning the criminal gunman.
00:16:51.000That tells you everything about BLM and raising money on it, maybe to go buy more mansions fraudulently.
00:16:55.000Michelle, thank you so much for joining us.
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00:18:07.000Joining us right now is someone who I consider to be one of the wise, if not the wisest person in the entire conservative movement who has a phenomenal new book out, Defeating Big Government Socialism, Saving America's Future.
00:18:53.000Well, it was clear that the Biden approach was going to fail disastrously, that it was going to cause a lot of pain to the American people and a lot of risk to America as a country.
00:19:04.000And that there was a danger that people would just write it off as a defect of people.
00:19:09.000You know, that Buddha Judge isn't very smart.
00:19:14.000Biden is cognitively challenged, et cetera.
00:19:17.000But the truth is that the underlying problem is that their ideas are wrong.
00:19:23.000Ronald Reagan used to say he wasn't worried by what liberals didn't know.
00:19:28.000He was worried by what they knew that wasn't true.
00:19:31.000And of course, you went from 1.4% inflation under Trump to over 9% inflation under Biden.
00:19:38.000You went for more than doubling the price of gasoline since Trump left office.
00:19:43.000You have millions of people crossing the American border, being given free cell phones by the taxpayer cell phones flown around the country by your government.
00:19:54.000You have murderers being released on the street, and then we're shocked at the size of the crime wave.
00:20:00.000All of these things are a function of a philosophy and attitude and approach, which is wrong.
00:20:07.000And I think it's very important in 22 and 24 that we not just win a performance election, look how bad things are, we also win a policy and philosophy election.
00:20:19.000Look how profoundly destructive they are.
00:20:21.000And the purpose of defeating big government socialism was to give people a citizens' handbook, if you will, to arm them with the information to be able to win that argument.
00:20:35.000And I think you hit on something very profound, which every time I see a mailer or a commercial hitting Joe Biden's lack of mental acuity or Kamala Harris's cackle, or as you said, Pete Boot.
00:21:04.000What we're actually facing is an ideological battle, which in some sense is a lot more formidable than just kind of a group of charismatic politicians.
00:21:16.000So we have to understand that we're up against something that the academics believe, the college campuses believe, big companies believe.
00:21:25.000What is that ideology exactly, Mr. Speaker?
00:21:31.000What are they trying to push us towards?
00:21:33.000And why is it important that we diagnose that correctly?
00:21:37.000I think big government socialism comes down to ultimately two really big ideas.
00:21:43.000The first is that bureaucratic systems run by politicians make better choices, are better able for the average person.
00:21:52.000They take your money away, but then they spend it smarter than you would.
00:21:56.000And I think that's a genuine belief that goes back at least to the 1870s or 1880s.
00:22:03.000Second, there has been this entire emergence of a kind of coming together of everybody who's weird in the country, all of them identifying with each other and deciding that they'll support each other's mutual weirdness.
00:22:19.000So, you know, if you believe that third graders ought to be deeply involved in discussing transgender issues, and you believe that seven-year-old white girls should be taught that they should feel bad because of their skin color, which is pure racism, and you think that murderers should be actually favored because, after all, look how much pain they must be in if they have to kill somebody.
00:22:44.000All of these things come together in a way which is a very, very unusual pattern.
00:22:51.000And it's the combination of the huge bureaucratic machine that doesn't work that grinds up money, ultimately makes all of us much poorer, and transfers power to bureaucrats.
00:23:03.000And so we cease to be citizens and we become subjects.
00:23:06.000And then, second, it's an almost Bolshevik-like desire to destroy traditional America and replace it with a new model, left-wingism.
00:23:21.000So, Mr. Speaker, something that normal people have difficulty stomaching right now is how much pain and suffering that we're living through and whether or not this is intentional.
00:23:33.000Can you help build out how the big government socialists see all this as transitory?
00:23:38.000Not that inflation is necessarily transitory, but the pain and the suffering will lead us through a synthesis towards some form of utopia.
00:23:48.000Can you talk about how dangerous that is and how we're actually living through the intentional combination of the destruction of Western society to bring us towards some undefined academic experiment?
00:24:01.000Well, look, I think it's pretty clear that they say this.
00:24:05.000You know, if they have to punish you into leaving traditional cars, they will.
00:24:11.000I mean, Washington, D.C. just adopted a provision against using natural gas.
00:24:16.000Now, this is both environmentally insane and it's financially insane.
00:24:20.000And it's going to particularly hit the poor.
00:24:23.000The Northeastern Compact on the Environment has basically cut out all of the new pipelines, which means that heating oil in New Hampshire and in Maine is going to be much more expensive this fall.
00:24:36.000Well, if you're in a relatively poor state like Maine, having a dramatically more expensive heating oil is a huge burden on the working families and the retired families in the state of Maine.
00:24:47.000But it doesn't matter to these people.
00:24:49.000They don't care how much pain they cause.
00:24:52.000They are in the business of imposing on the rest of us the values that will make us better if only we do what they tell us.
00:25:01.000And I think you have to see it that way.
00:25:04.000And then, of course, when you catch them in public and the pain level gets high enough and they start thinking about the election, then all of a sudden, you know, you have Biden running off to Saudi Arabia.
00:25:13.000But notice, he could have, you know, just dropped into Texas.
00:25:18.000He could have visited Western Pennsylvania.
00:25:23.000But that would have required being pro-American.
00:25:25.000And one of the key ground rules for these people is you're not allowed to be pro-American.
00:25:31.000Yeah, he could have visited the Balkan or the Marcellus or the Permian Basin, but Riyadh just seemed to be a nicer flight or something.
00:25:39.000So one thing that I'm a little paranoid about, though, Mr. Speaker, and I talk about this openly on the program, is that the Democrats have some sort of plan for the midterms that we might not yet be gaming out correctly.
00:25:52.000Because I have so much respect for our opposition and how Machiavellian they are and how they're able to use tragedy for their own purposes.
00:26:01.000What do you think their midterm plan is?
00:26:03.000Because up until recently, you know, as per your example of the Saudi Arabian visit, it seems as if they are enthusiastically accelerating over a cliff.
00:26:12.000Political consequences be damned, I suppose.
00:26:16.000Well, I think, first of all, I helped publish papers in the 1980s called the Grenada Papers.
00:26:25.000When we liberated the island of Grenada, which spoke English, this was an island occupied largely by Africans living in the Caribbean with agriculture and tourism as their two biggest incomes.
00:26:49.000So we now know because this is how we got to the Grenada Papers, because everything they wrote was in English.
00:26:55.000So we didn't need a translator, and the State Department couldn't screw it up.
00:26:59.000And it turns out that the leadership of the Communist Party of Grenada, when everything was failing, would meet every Tuesday afternoon for a study group.
00:27:11.000And what they were studying was not supply-side economics.
00:27:19.000What they were studying was Stalin's writing.
00:27:22.000Now, you have a Georgian bank robber who becomes dictator of a country that covers 13 time zones, living in Moscow in a really bad cold winter, being studied by African-descended Caribbean native folks who are looking around going, what should we do next?
00:27:41.000Well, what does Stalin think we should do?
00:27:44.000The reason I tell you this story is when AOC gets in a room, she doesn't have any point of reference.
00:27:53.000Biden doesn't have a point of reference because he's not sure what room he's in.
00:27:56.000But I guarantee you that Newsom, Kamala Harris, various other people, Senator Warren, Bernie Sanders, who remember honeymooned in the Soviet Union.
00:28:09.000I mean, just ask yourself, a guy who is born, who lives, he's born in Brooklyn, but a guy who is living in the forest of Vermont decides to go on a honeymoon.
00:28:32.000You have to give him some credit for that.
00:28:34.000He's a genuine, unending socialist who does not have a clue how disastrous his policies would be in the real world.
00:28:41.000I always joke around, but I'm very serious when I'm making this joke.
00:28:44.000I'd much rather have a corrupt politician than an ideological one.
00:28:47.000A corrupt one I can work with, like Bill Clinton.
00:28:50.000I mean, you worked with Bill Clinton very well.
00:28:52.000Bill Clinton is as corrupt as it gets, but he'd do a deal because I don't think Bill Clinton is nearly as ideological as Bernie Sanders or the people controlling Joe Biden or Barack Obama, which you could say what you want about Bill Clinton, but he came to the table with you and you guys got a lot done.
00:29:06.000Balance the budget, welfare reform, great crime bill, all these things.
00:29:10.000So, Mr. Speaker, I want to ask you: it's not just about government power, though, that gives people anxiety.
00:29:16.000It's also the amount of cultural and corporate power that the left has been able to assume.
00:29:22.000You talk about this in the book, but how are we to approach Google that could arguably be just as or even more powerful than parts of our government or Disney that has control over our children's, you know, what they're consuming?
00:29:35.000Big government socialism, is it also incorporate cultural and economic power?
00:29:42.000And also, let me take those two examples.
00:29:45.000We clearly are going to have to ultimately set some kind of rules of the road for these big internet companies.
00:29:52.000I mean, we would not allow ATT or Verizon to have the kind of control over our communication, our conversations that these companies now exercise.
00:30:02.000In terms of Disney, I think somebody ought to be filing a stockholder lawsuit.
00:30:08.000The Disney president made a decision which has cost Disney an enormous amount of money in the collapse of its stock.
00:30:16.000And they ought to be held accountable for that.
00:30:18.000When you start making uneconomic policies, you know, the same thing happened in Atlanta with the Major League Baseball All-Star Game, where Coca-Cola and Delta, two of the biggest corporations in Georgia, both of them acted against their own economic interest by siding on a totally false lie, siding with the left and demanding that the all-star game be moved, which, of course,
00:30:46.000the Braves then responded by winning the World Series.
00:30:49.000So in a sense, Georgians got their ball game without having to give up their honor.
00:31:10.000To say that this person has violated their fiduciary obligations and has put their politics and their prejudice ahead of their duty to the stockholder.
00:31:21.000So, Mr. Speaker, going into the midterms, how does all of this incorporate into a political strategy and a messaging strategy?
00:31:29.000Well, people can go to AmericanMajorityProject.com and they'll see all of our polling and all of our focus groups.
00:31:36.000My personal prediction is that the Republicans in the House are going to be somewhere between plus 40 and plus 70, and that there's going to be a parallel swing in the Senate.
00:31:48.000This is going to be an American tsunami, not a red tsunami.
00:31:52.000You're going to have Democrats, Independents, Republicans, and have Latinos, African Americans, Asian Americans, all of them migrating away from the failed policies of the big government socialists.
00:32:05.000And I think the result's going to be an astonishing election.
00:33:08.000On the performance side, if you're a Hispanic family, you can't afford the gasoline to drive to the seven stores you have to go to to find the baby formula.
00:33:19.000And you personally came here legally or you were born here and you resent lots of people arriving illegally who are raising the crime rate.
00:33:28.000So all those things are going on simultaneously.
00:33:31.000At the same time, you're probably pretty religious and you really deeply dislike the left and its anti-religious biases.
00:33:39.000So all of those things are swirling around.
00:33:42.000And what's happened is Republicans are trading liberal graduate educated whites for working class Hispanics, Latinos, Asian Americans.