The Charlie Kirk Show - How Conservatives Embody Biblical Values — Live at Texas A&M

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, happy Sunday.

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00:00:33.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:35.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

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00:00:42.000 I'm sorry.

00:00:43.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:45.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:46.000 His spirit, his love of this country.

00:00:47.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

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00:01:31.000 I gotta be honest, that was the coolest intro I've ever had.

00:01:34.000 That was pretty awesome, everybody.

00:01:38.000 I wanted to do that for a while.

00:01:40.000 I was like, there's something about an intro at a Texas A&M football game that is almost metaphysical, I gotta tell you.

00:01:48.000 So that was really special, everybody.

00:01:51.000 Alright, we're gonna have some fun tonight.

00:01:53.000 Thank you to the great Turning Point USA chapter leaders for putting this together and our Turning Point USA chapter.

00:01:58.000 Also, I'm obligated to say this, we are hiring at Turning Point USA as well, so if you want to work for us, we would love to have you work with us at Turning Point.

00:02:06.000 We'll talk for a little bit, then we'll do questions.

00:02:08.000 And, by the way, this is the biggest campus event we've ever done in Turning Point history.

00:02:12.000 Look at this.

00:02:13.000 This is amazing.

00:02:14.000 People are all the way up there.

00:02:19.000 Incredible.

00:02:20.000 So, I want to talk about the most important thing that someone can do in their life, which is the decision of whether or not you make Jesus Christ the chairman of the board of your life.

00:02:29.000 most important thing.

00:02:30.000 And and Thank you.

00:02:35.000 The reason I want to mention that is I just recently sat down with Bill Maher.

00:02:39.000 I don't know if you guys saw it or not.

00:02:40.000 If not, I encourage you to look at it.

00:02:41.000 It's a good conversation.

00:02:42.000 Bill Maher is not a Christian, if you don't know that. 0.52

00:02:44.000 He's very much not a Christian. 0.96

00:02:45.000 He is an atheist, and maybe we'll have some atheists here tonight.

00:02:48.000 And remember, without God, there would be no atheists. 0.90

00:02:50.000 Remember that.

00:02:53.000 And I sat down.

00:02:54.000 It was kind of interesting, and he treated me very well, to his credit.

00:02:58.000 We just dialogued a lot.

00:03:00.000 He was smoking pot the whole time, which may or may not have impacted me.

00:03:04.000 By the way, I've never done marijuana in my life.

00:03:07.000 I encourage you not to do it.

00:03:08.000 My whole life I've talked against marijuana about how it makes you not as sharp as you could be.

00:03:14.000 Totally true.

00:03:14.000 By the way, 100% right.

00:03:15.000 Be very careful if you use pot if you go on a podcast with Bill Maher.

00:03:19.000 I actually didn't do it, but that secondhand high might be a real thing.

00:03:22.000 Anyway.

00:03:23.000 We talked a lot about not just Christianity, which again, this is coming after Easter, but what I wish we would have spent more time on is the importance for a society to have an agreed-upon moral structure.

00:03:34.000 That if you do not have a religious basis, specifically a Christian one, for your society, something else is going to replace it.

00:03:40.000 And this is where the political meets the spiritual and the political meets the religious, which is that we must first and foremost give our life to Christ.

00:03:48.000 Why is that important?

00:03:48.000 Short gospel message for all of you.

00:03:50.000 We are all sinners.

00:03:51.000 We all fall short of the glory of God.

00:03:52.000 God, nothing we can do, nothing we can earn, nothing that we can say can get us to heaven.

00:03:56.000 God sent his son on a rescue mission to save us from our broken nature.

00:04:01.000 Of course, Jesus Christ lived a perfect death, taught us how to live, ministered all throughout Judea and Samaria, died a wrongful death to only resurrect three days later, and the tomb is empty, and he is risen, and he is risen indeed.

00:04:14.000 Now, the significance of this is almost every other religion on the planet is all about...

00:04:20.000 You have to work hard to get closer to God.

00:04:23.000 You have to do something.

00:04:24.000 You have to wear something.

00:04:24.000 You have to say something.

00:04:25.000 Whereas Christianity, the promise, is completely inverted and different, where God actually comes to us. 0.98

00:04:30.000 It is a relationship as much as it is a religion.

00:04:33.000 It is that we have a personal connection with our Lord and Savior that transforms you, that challenges you, that provokes you.

00:04:39.000 For those of you that have given your life to Christ, you know what I'm talking about.

00:04:42.000 You know that it all of a sudden becomes a metaphysical difference in how you view the world.

00:04:47.000 you think differently on how you whether you're going to drink or you're going to smoke or you follow the flesh and even beyond that though which I think is important, we are seeing especially rise to young people, I'm so excited to see so many people applaud when I talk about Jesus it's just amazing to see Ana Santa Claus it's just so great Which is...

00:05:04.000 Which is, when you become less religious, which this generation is, Gen Z is becoming less and less religious than their parents' generation. 0.74

00:05:16.000 Then you have a gaping-sized hole in your heart, and something must fill it.

00:05:20.000 And out of the lack of Christianity is where we get wokeism.

00:05:24.000 Understand that it's easy to attack wokeism, this idea that men can give birth, and all this nonsense that I'm sure we'll have some wonderful people talk about tonight.

00:05:31.000 Maybe not.

00:05:32.000 Yeah, get this hissing thing. 0.98

00:05:33.000 I'm not really a fan of it.

00:05:34.000 I don't know where this comes.

00:05:35.000 It's kind of weird.

00:05:36.000 I don't know.

00:05:36.000 It's like, you could just say, you could say, boo.

00:05:38.000 You don't have to, like, hiss.

00:05:39.000 Anyway, okay.

00:05:41.000 Okay, see, they don't like it.

00:05:43.000 What is the origin of that, though?

00:05:47.000 Oh, you saw the horns off?

00:05:49.000 And that makes a snake?

00:05:52.000 So you cut off the horns of the longhorn and it turns into a viper?

00:05:59.000 You what?

00:06:01.000 Oh, you're too classy to boo here.

00:06:03.000 Okay, I like that.

00:06:04.000 That's a good answer.

00:06:05.000 OK.

00:06:05.000 Okay.

00:06:10.000 I will say, it's a remarkably polite campus.

00:06:13.000 Everyone says howdy, and they're well-dressed, and, you know, not everyone's well-dressed.

00:06:16.000 You know, it's a separate issue.

00:06:17.000 But, okay, that one I'll get.

00:06:20.000 So it's the two-class seat-a-booth thing.

00:06:21.000 Got it.

00:06:23.000 So the...

00:06:25.000 The aspect here that I think we don't want to miss, though, is that when you have a society that gets away from Christianity, our birthright, which Christianity is what founded the West, Christianity is what gave us this amazing country, it's easy to say, well, Charlie, you know, separates church and state.

00:06:39.000 We can talk about that tonight.

00:06:40.000 Of course, there should be some separation, some distinction.

00:06:42.000 But do we have separation of morality and state?

00:06:44.000 And when you no longer have a bedrock upon agreed moral structure for your society, then people are going to be in moral confusion.

00:06:51.000 And that is when you start to see widespread transgenderism for our youth or men and female sports.

00:06:55.000 Because if you do not have an agreed-upon thing of what is right, what is wrong, what is good, what is evil, what is just, what is unjust, what is holy, what is profane...

00:07:02.000 And again, the first six books of Genesis lay this all out.

00:07:05.000 What is male and what is female?

00:07:07.000 The distinctions that keep us free are actually laid out and enumerated within the first six books of Genesis.

00:07:12.000 Now, there is at times an under-emphasis when we talk about the gospel, talking about how God created the planet and the earth with natural laws.

00:07:21.000 For us to be able to succeed, harmonize, flourish, and prosper.

00:07:24.000 And we should not wage war on nature.

00:07:27.000 We should respect it, seek to understand it, and where necessary, try to improve upon it.

00:07:31.000 And so, when you see something as asinine, as this idea that biological men should be able to compete in female sports.

00:07:39.000 890 medals, by the way, have been stolen from women in track, in...

00:07:44.000 There you go again.

00:07:46.000 In track or in volleyball.

00:07:49.000 That otherwise would have went to biological women because biological men decided to play in that sport and we have to accommodate that. 0.99

00:07:57.000 And this is a massive problem that is an outgrowth of the death of Christianity. 0.91

00:08:02.000 So the case I want to make to you is that of course you should give your life to Christ because...

00:08:07.000 It's true, and it's real, and Jesus was a real person who was killed and did rise from the dead.

00:08:13.000 But even beyond that, we should also talk about the necessity of believing in God.

00:08:17.000 What happens when a society gets too secular?

00:08:20.000 Now, why does that matter to everyone in this room?

00:08:22.000 It should break you out of your comfort zone to know that it actually does impact you and your children and your grandchildren if a society becomes less religious, if a society becomes less Christian, if a society becomes less...

00:08:35.000 Grounded to our foundational roots.

00:08:37.000 Be very careful what will actually replace it.

00:08:40.000 Leo Strauss talked about this connection between reason and revelation, which is Athens and Jerusalem, which, of course, in Jerusalem we get the idea of the Hebrews, where we get this idea of a given law by our Creator.

00:08:50.000 Reason is almost only what is talked about on college campuses.

00:08:53.000 If you can't think it, if you can't prove it, it doesn't exist.

00:08:56.000 What we as Christians actually acknowledge is that there's a lot of mysteries to life, things beyond even our intellectual or reason comprehension.

00:09:03.000 And we are willing to acknowledge and say, hey, that very same God that created the heavens and the earth, Didn't give us the entire plan about everything.

00:09:12.000 And reason unto itself is a death spiral for a civilization.

00:09:15.000 Because eventually, you start reasoning your way into really, really bad decisions.

00:09:20.000 You need revelation.

00:09:21.000 You need what I believe the Ten Commandments, the teachings of the Bible, to almost rein in the worst impulses of reason.

00:09:27.000 But revelation alone is not enough.

00:09:29.000 If you only have revelation, then you don't have the West.

00:09:31.000 If you don't have revelation, you don't have technological advancements.

00:09:34.000 You don't have some of the most amazing medical advancements.

00:09:37.000 We don't have the prosperity or the material wealth that we enjoy in the West that has largely pushed back against the dire guise of poverty we've seen across the planet.

00:09:46.000 So this balance between the two is critically important.

00:09:50.000 And so as we start to see, many in the younger generation say, I have no religious affiliation.

00:09:56.000 They're actually lying to you.

00:09:57.000 They're saying that they have no traditional religious affiliation.

00:10:01.000 Something is their God.

00:10:03.000 They are worshiping something.

00:10:05.000 And to worship is what you are aiming at.

00:10:07.000 That's why I think you should aim at Jesus.

00:10:09.000 What better way to aim your entire life at someone who tells you to care for the poor and love your neighbor as yourself and defeat a death?

00:10:17.000 But if you say, well, I'm not religious.

00:10:18.000 I just want to aim at whatever I want to aim at.

00:10:21.000 Ooh, be very careful.

00:10:22.000 What does that mean?

00:10:22.000 Does that mean you're going to be the god of the flesh, the god of trying to get as drunk as I possibly can?

00:10:27.000 And just a little bit of a warning, that is a miserable way to live.

00:10:30.000 You know plenty of people probably that are in that cycle, that endless downturn, that down spiral of, I'm just going to do whatever the flesh tells me to do whenever I want to do it.

00:10:40.000 Be very cautious with that.

00:10:43.000 Instead...

00:10:43.000 We believe a better way to live as conservatives and as Christians is one that we want to glorify God in everything that we do, in all that we do.

00:10:50.000 And that includes, by the way, political matters.

00:10:52.000 You might say, Charlie, how does this inform your politics?

00:10:55.000 Well, the Western tradition is what we are trying to fight for.

00:10:57.000 The Western tradition is one that recognizes universal human equality.

00:11:01.000 So think about how fundamental this is.

00:11:03.000 You cannot get to this idea that all humans are created equal without a belief in a divine.

00:11:08.000 If you just have reason and you believe in atheism, you cannot...

00:11:15.000 You could say murder might hurt people, you could say murder might not feel good, but you can't say murder is wrong, because you have to eventually appeal to a moral standard above you.

00:11:25.000 And so, we see this playing out.

00:11:27.000 In so many different dimensions of the West, and my call to all of you that are Christians or center-right or conservatives understand the consequences of where this leads.

00:11:36.000 At first, it will just be wokeism and secularism.

00:11:39.000 It will be the craziest ideas imaginable.

00:11:41.000 Ideas, by the way, that thankfully we beat at the ballot box back in November when presented to the American people.

00:11:46.000 Thankfully.

00:11:48.000 However, it does not stop there.

00:11:52.000 Because the woke movement, whatever it ends up calling itself in the future, it mimics religious maxims.

00:11:58.000 It will have, whether it be the worship of nature or earth worshiping, or the cult of anti-racism, or this idea that the religion of scientism, remember we went through that entire thing that you must trust the experts and trust the scientists at all point?

00:12:14.000 At some level...

00:12:16.000 We as human beings desire to be connected to something greater.

00:12:19.000 My contention is there's nothing greater than actually being connected to what built this place in the first place.

00:12:26.000 And that is, of course, Christianity. 0.95

00:12:28.000 I don't think it's talked about enough for multiple reasons.

00:12:30.000 I think Christianity gets a really, really bad rap.

00:12:32.000 But you think about stuff that seems so self-evident.

00:12:35.000 You should help a poor person when you see one.

00:12:37.000 You should make sure that people are clothed.

00:12:39.000 This is not normal thinking if you do not live in a Christian society that did not have this as an inheritance. 0.92

00:12:45.000 You are an inheritor of a Christian way of thinking. 0.99

00:12:48.000 And when you dismiss that, when you saw off the roots, you become cut flowers that are not able to grow because you are no longer anchored to what gave you life in the first place.

00:12:59.000 And so...

00:13:00.000 As I am encouraged that the younger generation is moving significantly to the right.

00:13:05.000 Young men, by the way, moved 30 points in the conservative direction in just the last year and a half.

00:13:10.000 30 points.

00:13:11.000 It's an amazing thing.

00:13:12.000 Incredible.

00:13:17.000 We equally must be...

00:13:19.000 Young women, we'll get there. 1.00

00:13:20.000 Just don't worry.

00:13:21.000 We're working on that.

00:13:22.000 So that's a work in progress.

00:13:25.000 We must say this is all just a temporary moment.

00:13:29.000 Or a momentary victory if there is not the true foundation.

00:13:35.000 And that true foundation we believe is scripture.

00:13:38.000 And we open it up.

00:13:40.000 For liberals or leftists or atheists, you tell us what ultimate authority should be.

00:13:45.000 Now, politically, we believe the Constitution should be ultimate authority.

00:13:48.000 But out of the Constitution are all biblical truths.

00:13:51.000 These are things that we find in the Bible.

00:13:53.000 All men being created equal.

00:13:55.000 That you have a right to free expression.

00:13:56.000 That you have a right to be able to worship your Creator.

00:13:59.000 That we're not going to do it by force, but you have to do it with your own agency.

00:14:02.000 These ideas were grown out of the biblical worldview.

00:14:06.000 That many, many people take for granted.

00:14:08.000 But the ultimate authority, and I appeal to anybody that can find me a different book or a different way of thinking or a different philosophy that has been able to build something as great as America, and that's the final thing I'll say, is that there is so much unnecessary America bashing that happens, not on this campus.

00:14:25.000 I've seen a lot of patriots here on this campus, but on many campuses across the country, which is, and my friend mentioned this earlier.

00:14:32.000 You know you live in a great country when even those who hate it refuse to leave, except Rosie O'Donnell left, which is amazing.

00:14:38.000 Praise God she's in Ireland.

00:14:40.000 I'm kidding.

00:14:40.000 That was mean.

00:14:42.000 But largely, the haters of America don't leave.

00:14:45.000 Generally, when you hate your country, you try to get out of it at all costs.

00:14:50.000 So they enjoy the material comfort and they enjoy the prosperity that they inherited, but they don't necessarily want to leave.

00:14:56.000 There is no country like this country.

00:14:58.000 There is no greener pasture.

00:14:59.000 This is as good as it gets.

00:15:01.000 And I'm glad that we have a new administration that is fighting for some of these core values.

00:15:05.000 It's going to be bumpy at times.

00:15:06.000 It's going to be a little bit uncertain.

00:15:08.000 But honestly, I'm glad that we have a border again and that our southern border is secure.

00:15:13.000 I am thrilled and thankful.

00:15:16.000 That we have a president that is signing an executive order, despite a judge stopping it, saying that you're not allowed to medically mutilate a 14-year-old under the guise of chemical castration.

00:15:27.000 And I could go piece by piece and element by element.

00:15:31.000 But politics is only an aftershock of what happens in the culture.

00:15:35.000 And far too many Christians, if I may say, are a little bit passive about getting involved in the political. 0.95

00:15:41.000 They'll say, well, Charlie, there is no evidence or there is no biblical example of getting involved in politics.

00:15:47.000 And I challenge them.

00:15:48.000 I say, well...

00:15:49.000 Yes, if you remove Esther, Mordecai, Nehemiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Joseph, Moses.

00:15:55.000 Yeah, then there's nothing political in the Bible.

00:15:57.000 We as Christians are called to be counselors to the king.

00:16:00.000 We are called to bring biblical truths into the public arena.

00:16:03.000 As Christ our Lord said, to be salt and light.

00:16:06.000 What do salt and light have in common?

00:16:08.000 They change the environment that they come in contact with.

00:16:11.000 You should try to make text A&M more Christ-like.

00:16:14.000 You should try to fight for the unborn.

00:16:16.000 You should try to fight that people save themselves from marriage. 0.98

00:16:19.000 You should try to constantly try to make the unbelievers believe in Jesus to change the environment that you come in contact with. 1.00

00:16:25.000 Mind you, Christ did not tell us to look more like the environment that we come in contact with.

00:16:30.000 We're supposed to be the change agents.

00:16:32.000 And that goes with your local city council, that goes with your state government, and that goes with your national government.

00:16:36.000 As it says in Jeremiah 20, Demand the welfare of the nation that you are in because your welfare is tied to your nation's welfare.

00:16:43.000 We are called to care about the peace of the country that we are in.

00:16:46.000 Daniel fasted and prayed for the nation that he was in before he was thrown into the lion's den to contest for values that we so care about in the public square and in the public arena.

00:16:56.000 And the failure to do that, if I may say so, is bad for everybody.

00:17:00.000 And even an honest atheist, and I think I didn't quite get Bill Maher there, he was...

00:17:04.000 Not exactly in agreement here, but it's a conversation worth continuing with him because I think he wants to get to this conclusion, which is this, which is that even an honest atheist might not believe in God, but can recognize and notice that a society that does not believe in God is bad for even atheists.

00:17:23.000 And that is the necessity of believing in God is one that must be talked about more.

00:17:30.000 Because the moral chaos and the moral confusion, at some point you have to discuss, what are you going to teach your kids?

00:17:37.000 By what moral standard?

00:17:38.000 And if all of a sudden you say, well, I'm going to just teach my kids what the New York Times says, that's a bad answer.

00:17:43.000 Or I'm going to just, whatever my teacher wants, that is a bad answer.

00:17:46.000 Instead, you need something to appeal to.

00:17:49.000 At all points, you will hear people say, well, that's good, or that's bad, or that's evil, or that's wrong.

00:17:55.000 And your answer should always be, by what standard?

00:17:58.000 Just so we know.

00:17:59.000 That we can, you know, basically judge the same thing.

00:18:03.000 That we can have the same idea of what we are appealing to.

00:18:07.000 The final point I'll make is this, and then we'll open it up for some questions, is that we as Christians, I think, at this moment in time, must be unafraid.

00:18:16.000 To not just share our faith, but to see where our faith overlays with political engagement and involvement.

00:18:22.000 And understand, politics is not the most important thing.

00:18:25.000 Jesus is the most important thing.

00:18:26.000 And I'll say that again.

00:18:28.000 The most important thing is Jesus.

00:18:30.000 But what is the second most important thing?

00:18:32.000 To make sure you can do the first thing.

00:18:34.000 To make sure we still have religious liberty.

00:18:36.000 And to make sure we live in a free society.

00:18:38.000 A free society is awesome for the gospel.

00:18:41.000 A free society is good for all people.

00:18:42.000 For poor people. 0.94

00:18:43.000 For marginalized people.

00:18:44.000 For people that, quite honestly, want to be able to get ahead.

00:18:48.000 And at its core and at its foundation, we as Christians should not be saying, oh, you know, looks like the rapture is coming this next Thursday.

00:18:57.000 I'm about to get zapped up.

00:18:59.000 No.

00:19:01.000 Bad.

00:19:01.000 You might be right.

00:19:03.000 I'm not going to get into that.

00:19:05.000 You might be wrong.

00:19:06.000 I'm not going to get into that.

00:19:07.000 Instead, you should have a belief system.

00:19:09.000 How am I going to make this country, how am I going to make this campus more ready for Christ's return?

00:19:16.000 How am I going to fight evil?

00:19:17.000 In Psalm 9710, it says, those of you who love God, it's in the command form, those of you who love God, you must hate evil.

00:19:25.000 That is in the command form.

00:19:27.000 To hate it.

00:19:28.000 And by the way, we should be able to say what evil is.

00:19:30.000 And in America, evil is butchering babies while they are still in utero and calling it health care.

00:19:37.000 That is not glorifying of God.

00:19:40.000 It is telling a 16-year-old that you might be another gender because you might be going through a difficult patch in your puberty.

00:19:48.000 That is evil, everybody.

00:19:50.000 It's also evil, simultaneously, to allow...

00:19:54.000 The border to be completely wide open.

00:19:56.000 The Bible... 0.73

00:19:57.000 Christ explicitly effuses the idea of nations, of borders, of boundaries of a nation, and it creates moral chaos, not to mention the terrible exploitation of women and children that happened on the southern border over the last four years of sex trafficking, all the associated things.

00:20:12.000 And so it is tempting as Christians, and you're here tonight to your great credit, but I want to reinforce this.

00:20:18.000 There'll be moments where people will tell you, no, no, no, no, stop being political, just be a Christian.

00:20:24.000 You should say, you know what, I'm being biblical.

00:20:25.000 Not political.

00:20:26.000 Because I'm called to get into the tough fights, to make that place more Christian, to make the government more glorifying God.

00:20:32.000 Look, it's very difficult.

00:20:33.000 There's so much wretchedness and nonsense that infuses our government.

00:20:37.000 But the other alternative is this.

00:20:40.000 Is the alternative, just like we should retreat from the public square, run to the hills, and just kind of live in our own homeschool communities, which I support, by the way.

00:20:48.000 To raise children, but have, I love homeschooling, but to have no contact with the outside world.

00:20:54.000 And here is the balance.

00:20:55.000 We need to be in the world, but not of the world.

00:20:58.000 And my contention is that the last 20 years, Christians have forsaked the public square because it wasn't easy and it was not comfortable. 1.00

00:21:08.000 Christ said, on this rock, build my church.

00:21:11.000 Catholics in this audience will have a different interpretation of that.

00:21:14.000 That's fine.

00:21:15.000 The word is ekklesia, which literally means build my public gathering place, build my civic center of meeting.

00:21:22.000 No matter how you interpret it, we can all agree that we should try to bring the truths of the scriptures to every domain and dimension imaginable.

00:21:30.000 We should not force it upon people, but that's the final thing, is that although you might believe we have separation of church and state, a little more complicated than that, nobody believes.

00:21:39.000 Including Bill Maher, to his credit, we have separation of morality and state.

00:21:44.000 And therefore, it begs the question, by what standard do you say that is good?

00:21:48.000 By what standard do you say that is evil?

00:21:50.000 We have the answer that has been unchanged.

00:21:53.000 We believe it's breathed out of the scriptures, and as true today as it was 2,000 years ago, the liberals have no alternative, and I encourage all of us that are believers to keep on bringing that into the public square for the remainder of our life.

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00:23:06.000 As they get the question line all set up, I also want to say the turning point.

00:23:14.000 Do we have any high school turning point leaders here?

00:23:15.000 What school?

00:23:18.000 Brandeis.

00:23:19.000 Good for you guys.

00:23:20.000 That's great.

00:23:21.000 Is that in Houston?

00:23:22.000 Or?

00:23:22.000 Yes.

00:23:24.000 Where?

00:23:25.000 Oh, San Antonio.

00:23:26.000 That's quite a drive.

00:23:27.000 Good for you guys.

00:23:28.000 Where are you from?

00:23:30.000 You're a high schooler?

00:23:32.000 Good.

00:23:32.000 I didn't hear what that said, but I'm glad you're here.

00:23:34.000 So, where else?

00:23:37.000 Other high schoolers?

00:23:39.000 Tobol.

00:23:43.000 I thought you said Cobalt.

00:23:47.000 Are we ready, sir?

00:23:49.000 Let's begin.

00:23:51.000 Hi, Charlie Kirk.

00:23:52.000 My name is Camille Burns, and I'm a freshman agriculture economics major here at Texas A&M.

00:23:57.000 And I would just like to say, on behalf of Texas A&M University, we are so grateful to have you here today.

00:24:03.000 Thank you.

00:24:09.000 My question for you is if you were stranded on a deserted island with any political opponent of your choice, who would you choose and why?

00:24:25.000 I won't say Bill Maher because I can't stand the smell pot.

00:24:28.000 So I couldn't live on an island smelling marijuana the entire time.

00:24:34.000 Definitely not Gavin Newsom.

00:24:35.000 Nope.

00:24:36.000 That wouldn't happen.

00:24:38.000 I'd have to think about that.

00:24:39.000 Let me see.

00:24:41.000 It's hard to pick.

00:24:43.000 Let's play this out.

00:24:44.000 If you're stranded on a deserted island, you can reason that you want that person to be very productive, not a complainer, and have done something in their life.

00:24:52.000 So that's like...

00:24:52.000 No Democrats at all.

00:24:55.000 So...

00:24:55.000 And they're also, like, most of them are super old, so they'd probably, like, die while we're on the island.

00:25:04.000 Could be, like, super awk.

00:25:06.000 Like, oh, Chuck Schumer's dead.

00:25:09.000 Like...

00:25:09.000 And bad, of course.

00:25:12.000 But...

00:25:13.000 Yeah, I would have to think about that.

00:25:17.000 I don't have a good answer.

00:25:19.000 But...

00:25:20.000 Probably, boy, how long am I on this dessert?

00:25:23.000 I'm infinitely stranded with no hope of reconciliation.

00:25:26.000 Forever.

00:25:28.000 My goodness.

00:25:30.000 It's like, for, you know, infinity.

00:25:34.000 I don't know, I would probably pick, like, the most resourceful Democrat that I could find. 0.98

00:25:37.000 Like, I don't know, like, Mark Kelly from Arizona is an astronaut, so he probably knows how to start a fire.

00:25:45.000 By the way, if you wanted to survive on a desert island, there'd be like a million Republicans to pick.

00:25:50.000 I'd pick Joe Rogan, people that could actually hunt and gather, right?

00:25:55.000 But if it's about survival, I don't know, the Democrats would try to unionize the island with just two of us.

00:26:02.000 They would constantly steal my stuff and then call me a racist.

00:26:06.000 Like, it'd be terrible.

00:26:08.000 Thank you.

00:26:16.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:26:17.000 My name is Casey Clagus.

00:26:19.000 I'm an animal science major in class of 2026.

00:26:25.000 You guys got all this stuff on.

00:26:27.000 It's great.

00:26:29.000 My question for you today is that I want to know what your why is.

00:26:33.000 Was there a specific point in your life where you realized this is something you needed to do with it?

00:26:37.000 Yeah, I mean, again, my ultimate why is Jesus.

00:26:39.000 So you all must, if it's not Jesus, then it's something.

00:26:42.000 We are aiming at something.

00:26:44.000 You aim at a destination.

00:26:46.000 And so, for me, I wanted to aim at the ultimate thing, the biggest thing imaginable, and the truest thing, which is Christ our Lord.

00:26:52.000 So everyone tonight should think in the next couple of days, what am I aiming at?

00:26:55.000 What's the most important thing?

00:26:56.000 What am I thinking?

00:26:58.000 Where's my destination, right?

00:27:00.000 And then, yeah, look, as far as politics go, I've always been conservative.

00:27:03.000 I grew up in a very different era.

00:27:05.000 I grew up when Obama was ascendant, and Obama was very popular.

00:27:09.000 Back in, like, 2008, 2009, I was a freshman in high school.

00:27:13.000 And I saw a massive need for a youth...

00:27:17.000 I saw a need for a grassroots movement to try to counter what Obama was doing.

00:27:22.000 And I do want to just add, like, when we started, it was not like this.

00:27:26.000 It would be maybe two or three kids showing up to our events, right?

00:27:29.000 And that would be a success.

00:27:30.000 And it's easy to kind of, like, make fun of it and mock it, but that was really gritty and really grassroots-y.

00:27:37.000 When I started, it seemed like a daunting generational project.

00:27:42.000 And I just give all glory to God.

00:27:44.000 And I'm just so humbled that I get to live to see the fruit of the last 13 years of my relentless traveling around the country and speaking to very small crowds.

00:27:55.000 Just to give some idea, though, like, people say, you know, Charlie, I want to do what you do.

00:28:01.000 I say, all right, fine, you can.

00:28:02.000 But for 10 years straight, I traveled 300 days a year.

00:28:06.000 That's 3,000 days on the road.

00:28:08.000 I'm a million miler in United, in Delta, in American.

00:28:11.000 I know every possible hotel and airport combination imaginable.

00:28:15.000 I didn't pay myself for the first five years, and it was very, very hard to break out of, hey, other Republicans, conservatives don't want you to succeed.

00:28:23.000 And so my why was constantly, of course, the ultimate aim of Christ, but...

00:28:28.000 I believe deep down that there was untapped conservative potential on these college campuses.

00:28:34.000 That there was massive opportunity and really big upside.

00:28:38.000 And boy, this last November, Donald Trump won the youth vote in Michigan.

00:28:41.000 Donald Trump won the youth vote in Texas.

00:28:43.000 Donald Trump won the youth vote.

00:28:45.000 It's unbelievable.

00:28:46.000 And it's been so satisfying to see all of that fruit come to harvest.

00:28:54.000 God bless you.

00:28:54.000 Thank you so much.

00:28:55.000 Thank you so much.

00:29:00.000 Hello.

00:29:00.000 Hi, my name's Emma Clare.

00:29:02.000 I'm a freshman poli-sci major here on campus, and I've heard this argument recently, and I wanted to ask your opinions on it.

00:29:09.000 So it's that if Jesus were to come to America in a modern day time, that Republicans wouldn't let him in.

00:29:16.000 And I just wanted to get your opinion on that.

00:29:19.000 Sure.

00:29:19.000 So, yeah.

00:29:21.000 Thank you for that.

00:29:22.000 So, the argument is this, is that Jesus was a refugee, and therefore we wouldn't let him in.

00:29:27.000 First of all, Jesus actually was not technically a refugee.

00:29:30.000 He was actually going to two parts of the Roman Empire.

00:29:33.000 Just, we want to be, like, hyper-technical and weird Bible nerdy. 0.99

00:29:36.000 Egypt was actually under Roman jurisdiction, so he was not technically a refugee.

00:29:40.000 But, like, I guess the argument is that because we want to put our own citizens first and have closed borders, we wouldn't let Christ our Lord.

00:29:50.000 I would agree with them.

00:29:52.000 We don't want Jesus coming across the southern border illegally.

00:29:55.000 And so, a little different, right?

00:29:59.000 But what this is fundamentally is an attempt to manipulate us, and it's an attempt to be so theologically sloppy in so many different ways, it's hard to even know where to begin.

00:30:13.000 And what they're implying is that there's a divine character amongst the tens of millions of people.

00:30:19.000 That want to come to this country. 0.99

00:30:21.000 So fundamentally, it's an attempt to manipulate us, and it's not a very good argument.

00:30:25.000 Okay, yes.

00:30:25.000 So I was going to tie it to the fact that there were people that are against Jesus.

00:30:29.000 Not everyone was for him, including Jews and Romans. 1.00

00:30:32.000 But basically what I'm trying to say is that there are, compared to the southern border, because you know it affects us, especially here in Texas, that there are good people coming in.

00:30:43.000 It's not all bad people.

00:30:44.000 Of course.

00:30:45.000 And that we don't necessarily like.

00:30:48.000 I know that there's bad people being let in, but there's also good people letting in, and I just think everyone should have an equal opportunity to...

00:30:56.000 Yeah, it's fair enough.

00:30:57.000 If you come from the belief that we must let anybody in... 0.92

00:31:01.000 And so, right now, we have let 14 million people, we have no idea who they are over the last four years.

00:31:06.000 You don't have to let people into your country. 0.94

00:31:08.000 It is a privilege, not a right.

00:31:10.000 And right now, we've completely diluted that over the last couple of years.

00:31:13.000 And if and when we have immigration, there should be highly qualified people who love America and want to assimilate to our country.

00:31:20.000 And so, of course, when you let 14 million people in, you're going to allow some people in that are great and some people that are not so great.

00:31:28.000 But think about this in the micro.

00:31:30.000 What is true in the micro can be true in the macro, and in this case it's correct.

00:31:34.000 Our country is a home, really, for people in it.

00:31:37.000 We don't have open borders at your home.

00:31:39.000 You don't have open borders in your dorm room.

00:31:42.000 And so I guess I would say, why should our country have open borders if we don't do it on the micro?

00:31:47.000 And I would say this, that it actually, as we as Christians, it's much harder to love our neighbor.

00:31:53.000 If all of a sudden we're allowing in tens of millions of people, we have no idea who they are, and we have actually forgotten the neighbors that were here.

00:32:01.000 Understand that there are tens of millions of forgotten Americans of all different skin colors that have been forgotten in this country, and President Trump's run to office and successful election was about basically saying we want to put the American citizenry first.

00:32:15.000 It's more about loving American citizens, not about hating foreigners.

00:32:20.000 Okay.

00:32:25.000 So I actually wanted to bring up this quote from Exodus.

00:32:27.000 It says, do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you are foreigners in Egypt.

00:32:31.000 Correct.

00:32:32.000 I mean, we're a country built on foreigners, and I just think it's a matter of when you were born and where you were born if you get the liberties that you get. 1.00

00:32:40.000 Well, yeah, I mean, look at the scripture.

00:32:42.000 By the way, equally in Deuteronomy, Moses warns about having mass migration because the migrants will become your masters, just so we're correct. 1.00

00:32:48.000 But that's fine.

00:32:49.000 But we're not talking about mistreating them, though.

00:32:52.000 Saying you get to go back to your home is not a mistreatment.

00:32:55.000 We're not abusing them.

00:32:57.000 We're not saying, okay, fine, go back to your country of origin. 0.88

00:33:00.000 But even when they are legally here, there's still restrictions put in place that I believe are unfair.

00:33:05.000 For example, my roommate back home, I talked to her.

00:33:08.000 She has a lot of family that have immigrated here legally.

00:33:11.000 For example, her uncle has been here for 20-plus years, but he's not legally allowed to go home for the fear that he might not be able to come back.

00:33:19.000 I just think that...

00:33:20.000 Once you're a citizen, you should be a citizen.

00:33:22.000 You shouldn't be restricted when you go back.

00:33:24.000 He's not a citizen.

00:33:25.000 He might have temporary green card status for 20 years, but a U.S. citizen can come and go out of America as they please.

00:33:32.000 So I'm not sure about your example.

00:33:33.000 I might be missing something, but that's not how it works.

00:33:35.000 Okay, sorry.

00:33:36.000 Yeah, I just think that we should let more people in because love thy neighbor, you know.

00:33:40.000 You should love everyone equal.

00:33:41.000 Everyone should have equal opportunity.

00:33:42.000 I got it, but it's okay, guys.

00:33:44.000 Let me make a Christian argument, though.

00:33:47.000 The entire book of Nehemiah is dedicated towards building a wall.

00:33:51.000 You must have, it's called an order of loves.

00:33:53.000 My Catholic friends, you're going to love this.

00:33:55.000 It's from Thomas Aquinas.

00:33:56.000 You're going to love this.

00:33:57.000 You're going to love this.

00:33:58.000 It's called ordered loves.

00:34:00.000 And it's one of Thomas Aquinas' most potent moral teachings.

00:34:03.000 Which is first, you are called to have a relationship with Christ.

00:34:07.000 Then you must love your family.

00:34:09.000 And if you don't have one of these things, you cannot do the next one.

00:34:13.000 Then after you love your family and take care of your family, you love your community.

00:34:17.000 Then you love your state and love your nation and so on and so forth.

00:34:20.000 We've done a very, very bad job of the ordered loves.

00:34:23.000 In fact, I think we have not taken care of our neighbor as well at all.

00:34:27.000 We have tons of vets in this country that are treated terribly.

00:34:31.000 We have a lot of people that have seen their jobs shipped overseas.

00:34:36.000 And fundamentally, you need to have a country that first loves its citizens.

00:34:41.000 And then, once we generally have our act together, we can have a compassionate immigration system, one that is strictly based in merit to let other people into the country.

00:34:51.000 And I would also just say, allowing 14 million people to bum-rush into America has not been good for anybody. 1.00

00:34:58.000 It's not good for American citizens.

00:35:00.000 It's not good for native-born Americans. 0.96

00:35:03.000 And finally, the last point that I'll make on this is that...

00:35:08.000 When a government ceases to understand that it exists first for its own people and not from the people of the other country, you actually don't have a government.

00:35:17.000 You have something else.

00:35:18.000 You have like a big social experiment.

00:35:20.000 And I think that's been incredibly destructive to the American body politic the last couple of years.

00:35:26.000 It was nice talking to you.

00:35:28.000 That's all I had to say.

00:35:29.000 Thank you very much.

00:35:29.000 Thanks for being here.

00:35:31.000 Thank you for being respectful.

00:35:32.000 Yes, next question.

00:35:34.000 Well, thank you very much for giving me a chance to ask you a quick question.

00:35:38.000 So, my name is Andrew Jansen.

00:35:40.000 I'm the CEO of Street Simplified.

00:35:41.000 And there's, each year in the United States, 44,000 people die in traffic crashes.

00:35:48.000 Of traffic crashes, yeah.

00:35:50.000 Traffic crashes, correct.

00:35:51.000 And the U.S. spends $21 billion, and that's a conservative estimate, on Medicare and Medicaid payouts to crash victims.

00:35:59.000 But they only spend $4 billion to actually solve the transportation safety problem.

00:36:03.000 On top of that, the $4 billion that they are spending is being wasted because over the last 15 years, from 2010 on, an additional 1,000 people are dying in traffic crashes than the year before on average.

00:36:18.000 So my question for you is, who do you know that can actually get to the root of this problem and solve it?

00:36:25.000 I mean, I know a lot of people, but that's not the question.

00:36:27.000 But I mean, are you advocating for driverless cars?

00:36:30.000 No, my question, I actually work in a company that helps solve this problem, but I cannot get to the right people on the USDOT side.

00:36:37.000 Okay, got it.

00:36:38.000 It's like a brick wall.

00:36:40.000 Yeah, I'm happy to connect you with Sean Duffy and his team.

00:36:43.000 Just so we understand, that traffic deaths tragically have gone up because of depolicing.

00:36:48.000 It turns out when you take the police out of a community, it's bad for every layer of crime.

00:36:53.000 But more than that, I mean, they say that...

00:36:57.000 I don't know if this is your advice.

00:36:58.000 I asked you, but they say driverless cars would drop auto fatalities by 90%.

00:37:03.000 I have a lot of moral problems with driverless cars, and it feels a little too totalitarian to me that I'm not able to control my vehicle when someone else is in it, but that's a separate issue.

00:37:12.000 But I do see the potential upside, but happy to...

00:37:15.000 How would you say, just really quick, we could best, let's say, stem the increase of traffic fatalities?

00:37:22.000 I mean, there's a lot of factors, right?

00:37:25.000 I could spend an hour on this, but the short of it is 98% of crashes are caused by humans.

00:37:30.000 There's 2% snow, weather-related, technical vehicle failures.

00:37:35.000 So we have to solve the human problem.

00:37:38.000 So it's autonomous vehicles.

00:37:42.000 No, I think you don't have to actually fully automate.

00:37:44.000 You can automate one-one-thousandth of the decisions drivers make when they veer off the road when they're sleeping.

00:37:51.000 You don't have to automate the entire vehicle for 99% of the time.

00:37:55.000 Respect.

00:37:55.000 What do you think about what Elon's done with Tesla?

00:37:58.000 Is that a good start?

00:37:59.000 Is that a good direction?

00:38:00.000 Frankly, I'd love for you to connect me with him.

00:38:03.000 That's one way.

00:38:05.000 With all due respect, a lot of people would, but that's fine.

00:38:08.000 I'll send him this clip and maybe he'll be persuaded by it.

00:38:10.000 I think Tesla's done a lot of good work, though, to have the car begin to intervene.

00:38:15.000 When these things happen.

00:38:17.000 Right.

00:38:17.000 What we do at Street is we're the infrastructure side of what Tesla is doing on the vehicle side.

00:38:22.000 It's a very admirable cause you're on.

00:38:24.000 Thank you very much.

00:38:25.000 Thank you.

00:38:26.000 You can talk to one of our staffers.

00:38:28.000 By the way, I brought a study Bible.

00:38:31.000 Oh, thank you.

00:38:32.000 This is a John MacArthur study Bible.

00:38:34.000 I'll give it to one of the staffers.

00:38:35.000 Is it a John MacArthur you said?

00:38:36.000 It's a John MacArthur study Bible.

00:38:37.000 He's the greatest.

00:38:38.000 He's amazing.

00:38:40.000 Thank you.

00:38:40.000 I've given it to you for your own personal walk.

00:38:42.000 Thank you.

00:38:43.000 And thank you for...

00:38:44.000 God bless you.

00:38:45.000 Thank you very much.

00:38:46.000 Thank you.

00:38:54.000 I didn't even say anything yet.

00:38:57.000 You guys have too much of the assisting, I'll tell you.

00:39:00.000 Alright, so my name is Eric Stoll and I'm currently a senior here at A&M.

00:39:03.000 I just had a question.

00:39:04.000 I know you talked a lot about your faith driving your politics and how important that is to you.

00:39:09.000 I think when I look at the scriptures and Jesus in particular, I think there's a lot of admirable things about what Jesus talks about.

00:39:15.000 Caring for the poor, trying to heal the sick, and things like that.

00:39:19.000 I was just curious, for your faith and political beliefs, how does that reconcile?

00:39:24.000 I feel like...

00:39:25.000 Taking away and advocating for reducing welfare and advocating for kids not having free and reduced lunches and not wanting to expand that program, that kind of seems antithetical to the whole message of Jesus, in my opinion.

00:39:38.000 Do you feel that way?

00:39:39.000 Fine.

00:39:40.000 Fair enough.

00:39:40.000 You're ascribing an intent with our public policy position.

00:39:44.000 Let me be clear.

00:39:45.000 Welfare should be... 0.52

00:39:47.000 It should be a hand up.

00:39:49.000 It should be a safety net, not a hammock, is the best way I could possibly put it.

00:39:52.000 But I understand the scriptures equally say, if a man does not work, he shall not eat, repeatedly.

00:39:55.000 Paul says it's said throughout Proverbs.

00:39:57.000 But I guess the question, we both want to help people, right?

00:39:59.000 What is the best way to help people?

00:40:01.000 So we have a case study over 60 years.

00:40:03.000 Is it good for people to be permanently on government assistance?

00:40:07.000 It's not.

00:40:08.000 It's really bad.

00:40:09.000 It's bad for them.

00:40:09.000 It's bad for their families.

00:40:10.000 It's bad for their psyche.

00:40:11.000 It's bad for their soul.

00:40:12.000 It's bad for everyone.

00:40:13.000 So then, what is the solution?

00:40:14.000 And we have to ask the question, like, has welfare, since we've started this project in the 60s, good intentions, made us a better country?

00:40:21.000 It really hasn't, actually.

00:40:22.000 So, number one, I think a vast majority of what the state does, not the state of Texas, but the state, should and can be done by churches and local municipalities.

00:40:32.000 I fully agree that we should help everyone in need.

00:40:36.000 But the first cause to do that should be private charities and churches, not the government.

00:40:41.000 We should not outsource our compassion.

00:40:43.000 To the federal government.

00:40:44.000 It should be, first and foremost, the local church.

00:40:47.000 And would you say that the church should do more than they currently do?

00:40:50.000 Say that again. 0.71

00:40:50.000 I can't hear what you're saying. 0.71

00:40:51.000 Would you call for the church to do more than they currently do?

00:40:53.000 Oh, of course.

00:40:54.000 Absolutely.

00:40:55.000 But this is what's important.

00:40:56.000 The church does less as the state does more.

00:40:59.000 We see this in Europe.

00:41:00.000 Europe basically has shrunk the church where it is just a husk of its former self, and it's basically to do a couple services, and to do almost very little charity.

00:41:10.000 And the reason being is because the government is so big.

00:41:13.000 And they'll just say, oh, the government will provide the health care and the government will provide this and that.

00:41:17.000 So the church doesn't feel compelled to do that.

00:41:19.000 Said differently, the bigger the government, the smaller the church.

00:41:22.000 So when you grow government, your church becomes small.

00:41:24.000 We want a big church and a small government.

00:41:26.000 We want the church to be more involved, more active.

00:41:29.000 And so if I were just, and I think we both want to help people.

00:41:32.000 So hypothetically, would I rather have somebody go to a church to go get fed or rather get food stamps?

00:41:38.000 Ten out of ten times to a church.

00:41:40.000 More human connection.

00:41:41.000 They might get saved in the process.

00:41:43.000 It's better for the church.

00:41:44.000 It's better for everybody than just a faceless EBT card that, quite honestly, is nothing more than just a digital transaction.

00:41:51.000 So I think both of us would agree that the church should do more to help those in need.

00:41:55.000 Can I ask one more thing?

00:41:56.000 Sure.

00:41:58.000 I feel like someone embodying Christ in a leader is important.

00:42:03.000 So as far as Donald Trump, what Christ-like characteristics do you feel like he embodies?

00:42:08.000 I feel like oftentimes he uses hateful rhetoric or kind of...

00:42:11.000 The Bible talks about, like, the meek shall inherit the earth. 1.00

00:42:14.000 I don't really see a lot of meekness in his character.

00:42:16.000 Do you agree with that?

00:42:17.000 Well, if we're saying that, is Donald Trump humble?

00:42:20.000 No.

00:42:21.000 But I also will say, so I'm going to put this on you for a second.

00:42:27.000 Can you think of anything admirable or Christ-like that he's embodied?

00:42:31.000 I mean, I guess you could say he's bold.

00:42:33.000 There you go.

00:42:33.000 That's good.

00:42:33.000 I think that's a fair thing to say.

00:42:34.000 He's definitely bold.

00:42:35.000 He's a bold person.

00:42:35.000 I would say he's courageous.

00:42:37.000 I would say that he's a truth-teller.

00:42:39.000 I don't know if I agree with the truth-teller part, but he is a bold person.

00:42:42.000 Remember, they get mad at Trump not because of the lies, it's because of the truth that he tells, but they get really, really mad.

00:42:48.000 We don't have to debate that.

00:42:50.000 But that's not where this conversation is going.

00:42:54.000 I don't want to derail it.

00:42:55.000 But Trump showed courage under fire, literally.

00:42:59.000 In a very miraculous way.

00:43:01.000 I will say this, though.

00:43:02.000 We all fall short of the glory of God when we try to elect political leaders.

00:43:05.000 You're not trying to have a church elder board elected.

00:43:07.000 You want to be president of the United States.

00:43:08.000 Are there examples of people in the scriptures that might be a little rough around the edges, that might be, let's just say, a little bit difficult to understand, that were also considered holy or good or faithful?

00:43:20.000 Well, one I would posit to you, as a man who made the Hall of Faith in the book of Hebrews, is a guy who also had great hair, Samson.

00:43:27.000 Samson.

00:43:28.000 Donald Trump and Samson, both great hair.

00:43:30.000 Samson was literally in a prostitute's bed when the Spirit of the Lord came upon him and told him to basically go to war for the people of Israel because they were not willing to fight for themselves.

00:43:39.000 Took a jaw of a donkey and go and killed a bunch of Philistines. 1.00

00:43:42.000 And with Samson, he was ready, he was willing, he was able.

00:43:45.000 So, look, of course, Donald Trump has faults.

00:43:47.000 I have faults.

00:43:47.000 But I will say this, that to have a president...

00:43:50.000 That does things in advancement of our value system, not just says things.

00:43:55.000 I would consider it far better for those of us as Christians than, and I'm going to make some enemies here, than somebody like George W. Bush, who said all the right stuff, but he never spoke at the March for Life, and gave us questionable Supreme Court justices, and gave us, unfortunately, a very reckless foreign war in Iraq that caused a lot of unjust human suffering.

00:44:15.000 So the question is, and it's something to think about.

00:44:19.000 Would you rather, let's say it's George W. Bush or Donald Trump.

00:44:22.000 George W. Bush says the right stuff.

00:44:24.000 You know, he's more Christ-like in that presentation way.

00:44:28.000 But how he governed was actually, I would say, oppositional to what I would want to say.

00:44:33.000 I guess I just also put a lot of value on the way that you present things and the way that you make people feel with the words you say.

00:44:41.000 The Bible talks about speaking life with your words, and I feel like Donald Trump often does not speak life with his words.

00:44:46.000 And I get your point, like it's all about action, like actions speak louder than words.

00:44:50.000 Words matter, but I think actions matter more.

00:44:51.000 But action speak louder than words isn't biblical, which kind of is the, like that doesn't represent what you feel like morality and the way that countries should be dictated.

00:44:57.000 Well, let's play that out.

00:44:58.000 So it's actually both.

00:45:00.000 So what did Christ say were the two commandments, the two teachings that of all the cult teachings matter?

00:45:05.000 They were actually action-related.

00:45:07.000 Love your neighbor as yourself, and love the Lord your God with your heart, soul, strength, and mind.

00:45:12.000 Those are both action-related.

00:45:14.000 And so, do words matter?

00:45:15.000 Of course words matter.

00:45:17.000 But I would argue the Bible actually does have a heavy emphasis on action, on doing good and helping the poor and healing the sick, not just words.

00:45:25.000 Words do matter.

00:45:26.000 I totally agree.

00:45:27.000 But words without action, or words given more preference than action, I actually don't necessarily think is biblical.

00:45:34.000 Okay, I understand that.

00:45:35.000 Thank you.

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00:46:24.000 Alright, I'm here to ask the age-old question, DEI.

00:46:27.000 Okay, great.

00:46:29.000 Yeah, give me your perspective on DEI, because based on what I heard earlier, I feel like you don't think I belong here.

00:46:36.000 Oh, really?

00:46:37.000 Why?

00:46:38.000 Because of how I am a black man, and because of DEI, I'm not qualified enough to be here.

00:46:45.000 Are you?

00:46:45.000 Yes, I am.

00:46:46.000 Okay, great, then you belong.

00:46:47.000 But why do I have to prove that to you?

00:46:48.000 You don't.

00:46:49.000 You brought it up.

00:46:50.000 I didn't.

00:46:50.000 Okay, but...

00:46:52.000 Can you explain to me your position on DEI?

00:46:55.000 Yes, people should not be in positions just because of the color of their skin.

00:46:57.000 Hard stop.

00:46:58.000 Okay, but do you feel like I'm here because...

00:47:01.000 I'm not feeling anything towards you, actually.

00:47:04.000 I'm not prejudicing you.

00:47:05.000 I'm not stereotyping you.

00:47:06.000 I'm saying that it's a material...

00:47:07.000 I'm not saying you are.

00:47:08.000 No, you are.

00:47:09.000 You said, I don't feel comfortable being here.

00:47:10.000 You started with...

00:47:11.000 I didn't say I wasn't comfortable being here.

00:47:12.000 I said, I feel like you made it to where I got here through DEI.

00:47:18.000 So let's examine that.

00:47:19.000 What have I said that makes you feel that way?

00:47:21.000 When you mentioned how DEI is only just putting people of color and marginalized groups in spaces, even if they're not so-and-so qualified.

00:47:30.000 Correct.

00:47:30.000 That's exactly what DEI does.

00:47:32.000 But that's not all that it does.

00:47:34.000 You're categorizing it as something it isn't.

00:47:36.000 No, that is the charter mission.

00:47:39.000 That's not all that it does.

00:47:40.000 Okay, so diversity, equity.

00:47:42.000 So equity is outcome-based.

00:47:44.000 It's about making people who are of different skin colors have the same outcome. 0.97

00:47:48.000 Regardless whether or not they are qualified.

00:47:50.000 The best example we have of this is the Students for Fair Admission, Harvard Supreme Court case, where black students, they did not, literally, they could have a SAT score 300 points lesser than the Asian equivalent and still get into Harvard. 0.71

00:48:04.000 That is DEI in practice.

00:48:05.000 I believe when you're hiring for an organization, or for a company, or for whatever you are doing, you should prioritize merit and character, and race should mean nothing.

00:48:14.000 We should build around things that matter and not things that don't matter.

00:48:19.000 You have to also take into the fact that black people have only been able to completely and completely legally be able to make profit for themselves for around 60 years.

00:48:33.000 No, no, no.

00:48:34.000 Since segregation ended in 1965 and the Equal Rights Act in 1965, so there's not...

00:48:45.000 So let's talk about you.

00:48:46.000 How did that impact you?

00:48:47.000 How did something that happened 60 years ago impact your life?

00:48:50.000 It impacts me all the time.

00:48:53.000 You're at Texas A&M.

00:48:54.000 You're doing great.

00:48:57.000 So are you a living example that all that's a bunch of nonsense and you can just act good and behave well and succeed?

00:49:03.000 But there's also living examples of the exact opposite.

00:49:06.000 If you look in the impoverished neighborhoods in certain parts of Chicago or St. Louis, there's black communities being Thrown aside because they're not getting education.

00:49:17.000 Thrown aside?

00:49:17.000 Okay, so I think we can get somewhere.

00:49:20.000 Why have the black community gotten poorer since the passage of the Civil Rights Act?

00:49:26.000 Tell me that.

00:49:28.000 Because of the way the culture has been perpetuated through the years.

00:49:32.000 Hold on.

00:49:32.000 Think about it.

00:49:33.000 So they were richer when we were segregated and more racist.

00:49:36.000 America's become less racist.

00:49:38.000 What about Tulsa?

00:49:40.000 No one's going to defend what happened in Tulsa.

00:49:44.000 We're talking about a lot of different cities.

00:49:45.000 We're talking about Chicago, Tulsa.

00:49:47.000 Again, this is a very important point.

00:49:49.000 Why is it that black America has gotten richer on average, poorer on average, since America passed all these anti-racist laws? 0.88

00:49:57.000 I can't answer them.

00:49:59.000 So do you think the fact that 70% of black youth don't have a dad around is probably pretty important? 1.00

00:50:05.000 That's because of the culture.

00:50:08.000 Respectfully allow me to interject.

00:50:10.000 How does the white culture impact the fact whether or not a black dad stays around when he impregnates a woman?

00:50:17.000 I'm not saying it's the white culture.

00:50:18.000 What is it?

00:50:19.000 The culture that has been perpetuated through the 200 years of slavery, the 100 years of segregation, and Jim Crow laws.

00:50:25.000 The marriage...

00:50:26.000 So I've got to interject again.

00:50:27.000 I'm sorry.

00:50:27.000 I don't mean to interrupt too much.

00:50:28.000 But in 1960, before the Civil Rights Act, 20% of black youth had a dad around.

00:50:35.000 Now it's...

00:50:36.000 I'm sorry, 20% were single fathers, 80% had a dad around.

00:50:39.000 It's been inverted.

00:50:40.000 So we actually have seen black dads run away from their kids the last 60 years.

00:50:46.000 Why is that?

00:50:47.000 Because of the raised incarceration rates, because of the perpetuated culture.

00:50:51.000 So how does one go to jail?

00:50:53.000 That's obvious.

00:50:54.000 I'm not answering that question.

00:50:55.000 Yeah, so maybe it's because they committed crimes.

00:50:58.000 Okay, but when you're forced for...

00:51:01.000 You're, it's not just the, oh, it's, it's, this is old, this is in the past, this doesn't affect you anymore.

00:51:07.000 Okay, so, actually, let's take a different group.

00:51:09.000 How did the Holocaust impact Jews?

00:51:11.000 They're doing pretty well.

00:51:12.000 Well, because they got reparations, we didn't.

00:51:14.000 How?

00:51:15.000 What reparations did Jews get? 0.99

00:51:16.000 Through acknowledgement, through money, through all things.

00:51:19.000 No, we acknowledge slavery happened.

00:51:20.000 Okay, but, but you're sitting here and acting like it plays no role now.

00:51:25.000 No, no, no, but to your argument, the Holocaust was 80 years ago. 0.74

00:51:29.000 Half of all the Jews on the planet were killed.

00:51:31.000 Everything they earned was taken.

00:51:33.000 Jews are doing great.

00:51:35.000 They're the wealthiest racial group or ethnic group in America.

00:51:38.000 If all of a sudden something that happened 80 years ago impacts your material prosperity, how did Jews defy the curve? 0.99

00:51:44.000 How did poor Asians do so well? 1.00

00:51:46.000 Why is it that Asians are now the wealthiest minority in America, many of whom came with no money in the 1950s or 60s?

00:51:52.000 Because of the culture and opportunities that were provided to them.

00:51:55.000 No, but you're not hearing me out.

00:51:57.000 Black Americans have had the same opportunities.

00:52:00.000 However...

00:52:01.000 But people still look at us like criminals every day.

00:52:03.000 Hold on.

00:52:03.000 But, like, I don't look at you like a criminal.

00:52:05.000 I'm not saying you do.

00:52:06.000 I'm saying some people do.

00:52:08.000 But, I mean, can I...

00:52:08.000 Do you want me to be brutally honest with you or do you want me to be politically correct?

00:52:12.000 Yes, be brutally honest with you.

00:52:12.000 Okay.

00:52:13.000 Do black people commit more crimes than white people? 0.98

00:52:16.000 It's not even close.

00:52:18.000 Okay, buddy.

00:52:18.000 Okay?

00:52:19.000 But you have to take into account the culture that has been perpetuated.

00:52:22.000 Okay, got it.

00:52:23.000 So we can agree on this.

00:52:24.000 Do you mean internal black culture?

00:52:27.000 It's deeper than that.

00:52:30.000 Let's take time out.

00:52:31.000 Do you think the average rap artist that a black kid in the hood is listening to is glorifying marriage and family and saving your money?

00:52:39.000 That's what sells because it's a culture thing.

00:52:43.000 It's not just within the black community.

00:52:45.000 I agree.

00:52:45.000 No, but hold on.

00:52:47.000 Everyone listens to it.

00:52:48.000 It's not just isolated.

00:52:49.000 It's bad for everyone who listens to it.

00:52:51.000 The point being is that black youth, as they are being raised, their role models are largely not glorifying staying with one woman, getting married, going to church.

00:53:03.000 And if you're wrong, show me the black role models that are doing that.

00:53:06.000 There might be a couple I could think of, maybe.

00:53:09.000 But if it's about culture, you're right.

00:53:10.000 The internal black culture has collapsed the last 60 years. 1.00

00:53:13.000 We're no longer elevating the family.

00:53:15.000 We're no longer elevating staying with the person that you're with.

00:53:17.000 So our contention here as conservatives is that the systemic racism stuff is a bunch of rubbish.

00:53:23.000 Instead, it's systemic bad choices.

00:53:25.000 Do you feel that systemic racism isn't real?

00:53:27.000 Of course not.

00:53:28.000 What can I do that you can't do?

00:53:30.000 Name it.

00:53:31.000 No, no, seriously.

00:53:32.000 What can I do that you can't do?

00:53:35.000 That's a slippery slope fallacy.

00:53:36.000 No, it's not.

00:53:37.000 Very simple.

00:53:39.000 Back in 1940, you would have been able to answer that question.

00:53:42.000 Well, Charlie, there's a bathroom over there that I can't go to.

00:53:45.000 There's a major league team.

00:53:46.000 I can't walk into the grocery store and get the same looks that you do.

00:53:50.000 I walked into Brookshire Brothers a couple weeks ago.

00:53:53.000 That's an insanely hyper-paranoid way of living life.

00:53:56.000 That's not evidence, right?

00:53:57.000 It's a real example.

00:53:58.000 By the way, if I walk into a black neighborhood, I get bad looks too, okay?

00:54:02.000 So I don't know what the contention is.

00:54:04.000 Because of the way you treat our culture and the way you perpetuate our culture.

00:54:07.000 Oh, wait, hold on, hold on.

00:54:08.000 We have gone to such great calisthenics and ridiculous gymnastics to prove that we're not racist.

00:54:16.000 In fact, it's the worst thing that you could be called in America.

00:54:19.000 We had, during, you know, George Floyd 2020, we had hundreds of millions of dollars given to Black Lives Matter.

00:54:25.000 I don't know where that money went.

00:54:25.000 Did it improve material worth of black America?

00:54:29.000 So, I mean, and we actually do know where it went, actually.

00:54:32.000 And so, but going back to your main contention, when you practice DEI, because that was your main point, right, you are rewarding bad culture.

00:54:43.000 You even acknowledge it.

00:54:44.000 You are saying that someone should be there based on the color of their skin.

00:54:48.000 We say skin color doesn't matter. 0.97

00:54:50.000 If you want that position, work harder, study harder, and then you might be able to get that position.

00:54:56.000 When we're forced into underfunded communities where schools are based off of property value, we can't...

00:55:02.000 Well, actually, school choice is now the law of the land here in Texas, so that's not correct.

00:55:06.000 Do you just expect a single-parent home to pick up and move into some rich neighborhood?

00:55:11.000 Well, again, so let's go back to why are they the single-parent home?

00:55:15.000 Because of the hundreds of years.

00:55:17.000 Do you believe in the maxim or the belief that you should take responsibility for your decisions?

00:55:23.000 It's not just one person's decisions.

00:55:26.000 It's so much deeper than that.

00:55:28.000 Why are you trying to...

00:55:29.000 That's where you and I have a different belief.

00:55:31.000 You believe...

00:55:32.000 It's a fact.

00:55:33.000 No, it's a belief.

00:55:34.000 Again, you have to tell me then, why do Jews do so well? 1.00

00:55:37.000 Holocaust didn't impact their material worth. 0.55

00:55:40.000 How did Asians do so well? 1.00

00:55:41.000 And by the way, even more so, why are Hispanics getting so much wealthier? 0.99

00:55:45.000 If we were so racist, why are Hispanics all of a sudden gaining income the last 20 years? 0.95

00:55:49.000 There's something.

00:55:50.000 There's something.

00:55:51.000 It's a difference in culture.

00:55:52.000 I don't know why I like clapping.

00:55:54.000 But it's a difference in culture.

00:55:59.000 The way that each culture is treated is so vastly different in America.

00:56:04.000 But again, you have to tell me, other than bad looks at the grocery store, how else is your future?

00:56:10.000 You, as a man in America, not a black man, how is your future? 1.00

00:56:17.000 My natural hair seemed as unprofessional when I go into an office or workplace.

00:56:22.000 When I walk around in certain places, people just assume, like I said earlier, the dirty looks.

00:56:29.000 When people think you...

00:56:31.000 Are automatically the worst of the worst solely because of...

00:56:35.000 We don't think that.

00:56:36.000 You've been interrupted me like ten times now.

00:56:37.000 Because you think you know what white people think, and you don't.

00:56:40.000 I don't know what white people think.

00:56:41.000 Then why do you keep on saying you know what white people think?

00:56:43.000 Because I've seen it.

00:56:44.000 Oh, you've seen our thoughts?

00:56:45.000 I've seen what people have done to me and people who look like me around the world and in America.

00:56:52.000 How?

00:56:53.000 Again, let's just make an example.

00:56:55.000 You are here in the wealthiest country ever at an amazing university.

00:57:00.000 With all the opportunity imaginable in front of you.

00:57:03.000 And all you want to do is look backwards at everything that prevented you when you are a glaring example that there is no systemic racism and you can actually achieve your wildest dreams.

00:57:14.000 I'm not the only black person who exists out there.

00:57:16.000 There's so many people who this culture is affecting to this day.

00:57:20.000 Do you know black Americans are the richest black people on earth?

00:57:24.000 What statistic is that?

00:57:26.000 Okay, I need you to pull that up, like, right now.

00:57:28.000 You can.

00:57:29.000 Black Americans per capita on average.

00:57:31.000 Can you pull that up?

00:57:32.000 I mean, I'm hosting an event right now.

00:57:35.000 I don't know what to tell you.

00:57:36.000 But anyone can fact-check me on this.

00:57:39.000 So you cannot find a black-majority country or any country where black people have significant representation where they are as wealthy. 0.98

00:57:46.000 Because even the poorest people in America are in the top 5%, the top 2% of wealth around the world.

00:57:52.000 And so my whole belief is stop acting like you're a victim and start making better choices.

00:58:00.000 This is not a victim mentality.

00:58:02.000 No, it fundamentally is because white people are not out to get you.

00:58:06.000 There is nothing holding black people back.

00:58:10.000 Let me say that again.

00:58:11.000 There is nothing holding black people back.

00:58:13.000 In fact, the opposite.

00:58:14.000 You can get into colleges with lower test scores.

00:58:18.000 You could say things that white people can't say and not be fired for it. 0.73

00:58:22.000 Black people are wildly disrepresentation. 1.00

00:58:25.000 People say that to me all the time, and they just walk around like it doesn't mean anything around you.

00:58:30.000 Say what?

00:58:30.000 Say the word.

00:58:30.000 The N-word.

00:58:31.000 I'm not going to say it on this public platform, but people say it to me all the time.

00:58:36.000 Derogatorily.

00:58:37.000 Yes.

00:58:37.000 No, I think you're lying.

00:58:39.000 Why would I be lying about that?

00:58:40.000 So you're trying to tell me at this campus, did you report at the student services?

00:58:43.000 I'm not, I have too much on my plate to worry about this.

00:58:47.000 Oh, so you're going to say at this campus, you're going to indict the moral character of Texas A&M.

00:58:52.000 I'm not indicting the moral character of Texas A&M.

00:58:53.000 Oh, yes you are.

00:58:54.000 You're saying that, hold on.

00:58:55.000 I'm indicting the moral character of one person or a few people.

00:58:58.000 Oh, now it's one.

00:58:59.000 So you heard it all the time and now it's one.

00:59:00.000 Got it.

00:59:01.000 It's not, okay.

00:59:02.000 This is the point, is that I don't believe you because now you resort back to a race hoax to make it seem as if the white kids on this campus are like racist and terrible.

00:59:12.000 I'm not saying white kids.

00:59:12.000 Was it a black guy that said it to you?

00:59:15.000 I'm not...

00:59:16.000 It matters a lot.

00:59:18.000 Because this is how lies are able to grow.

00:59:21.000 Jussie Smollett, we see this.

00:59:23.000 Do you think I'm lying when I say that people say the N-word around here?

00:59:28.000 If I think a white person comes up to you derogatorily and says, shut up, N-word, I absolutely...

00:59:32.000 I'm not saying they said it like that.

00:59:33.000 I asked, I said, are they saying it derogatorily?

00:59:35.000 But that doesn't mean it's word for word like that.

00:59:38.000 Okay, so then it's not an insult then.

00:59:40.000 So then don't bring it up as if it's evidence of racism.

00:59:42.000 Because you brought the N-word up first. 0.77

00:59:45.000 No, I didn't.

00:59:46.000 No, no, no.

00:59:47.000 You specifically said, name me an instance of the N-word.

00:59:51.000 No, I said black people can say things that white people can't say.

00:59:55.000 Of course that's true.

00:59:55.000 But that's automatically implying that one word.

00:59:58.000 It's more than that.

00:59:59.000 But let me just kind of build this out further.

01:00:01.000 Okay, so what is it then?

01:00:02.000 There's a lot of things black people can say.

01:00:04.000 Explain it to me.

01:00:05.000 You want me to give you more examples?

01:00:07.000 Yes.

01:00:08.000 Black people are allowed to talk about black culture in a way that white culture cannot.

01:00:12.000 For example, black people can come up and say that there's a baby mama problem in black America, and white people are not allowed to say that.

01:00:17.000 Oh, I just did.

01:00:18.000 So what are you going to do?

01:00:19.000 Cancel me?

01:00:19.000 Black people are allowed to say...

01:00:21.000 Black people are allowed to say... 0.97

01:00:23.000 I'm a grown man.

01:00:23.000 I got way less to worry about.

01:00:24.000 Black people are allowed to say that there is a systemic fraud issue. 0.91

01:00:28.000 Within the PP loan application of black America, black people are much easier to be able to say that black individuals, despite being 13% of the American population, commit 55% of the murders. 0.99

01:00:38.000 If most white people say that at a job, they would get fired for being a racist.

01:00:41.000 I don't care because I say whatever I want.

01:00:43.000 So black individuals... 0.99

01:00:44.000 Have much more intellectual public freedom than white people do. 0.98

01:00:48.000 If a white person were to come up and say, you know, black America really needs to get its act together and stop sleeping around all the time and needs to actually have enough.

01:00:56.000 Because it's true.

01:00:57.000 Because it's true.

01:00:59.000 But why would you just walk up to someone and talk and attack their culture from the outside?

01:01:02.000 Well, hold on.

01:01:04.000 Let's look at the evidence.

01:01:06.000 You said to myself, you said there's all these people suffering in Chicago.

01:01:09.000 There's all these people that are terrible.

01:01:10.000 I'm telling you why.

01:01:11.000 It's because there's been bad decisions.

01:01:13.000 That have been institutionalized.

01:01:15.000 Let me finish.

01:01:15.000 And rap artists and athletes and people at the top level of black society that refuse to ever challenge the core rot in black America, which is that they are allowing degeneracy and hedonism to eat the soul of what once was a beautiful black culture, and instead they go around saying it's the boogeyman of racism, the white man is out to get you, and the result is black America is doing worse than it was in the 1960s.

01:01:36.000 That is the contention.

01:01:38.000 Period.

01:01:39.000 It's not just...

01:01:40.000 It's so much deeper than the present day we are in.

01:01:45.000 I don't know why you're pretending like it just doesn't matter.

01:01:50.000 What doesn't matter?

01:01:51.000 I mean, things that happen...

01:01:52.000 Again, I've been through this multiple times.

01:01:54.000 Let me just ask you one...

01:01:55.000 But you're not listening to understand.

01:01:56.000 You're listening to reply.

01:01:57.000 No, I'm doing both, actually.

01:02:00.000 But let me just ask one final question, right?

01:02:03.000 Which is that you have your entire future ahead of you when you are hired for a job.

01:02:08.000 Would you rather be hired because of your race or because of how qualified you are?

01:02:12.000 It doesn't boil down to just that.

01:02:14.000 That's what DEI is, man.

01:02:15.000 No, it's not.

01:02:16.000 Yes, it is.

01:02:16.000 No, it's not.

01:02:18.000 It is definitionally the hiring of people.

01:02:19.000 They're not just going to immediately see...

01:02:21.000 You get extra points if you're black with DEI.

01:02:24.000 That's how it works.

01:02:25.000 Racial quotas elevate people based on the color of their skin.

01:02:28.000 So do you think I got extra points to come here?

01:02:29.000 I don't know.

01:02:30.000 You said you were qualified.

01:02:31.000 But affirmative action was institutionalized in Harvard and in Texas and a lot of other places.

01:02:36.000 We know this.

01:02:37.000 So I, again, TU.

01:02:39.000 We don't like them, right?

01:02:40.000 So, but, again, I just want to, like, I want to just repeat this point.

01:02:45.000 Where can I go to work that you can't?

01:02:48.000 It's not just that.

01:02:50.000 Exactly.

01:02:50.000 There's nothing that is preventing black people from prospering.

01:02:53.000 Nothing.

01:02:54.000 The only thing is that you guys have been hypnotized to be victims of your own mind.

01:02:59.000 To think as if there's a white person out there to get to.

01:03:01.000 I walk in the grocery store, they look at me differently.

01:03:03.000 All that stuff is complete rubbish.

01:03:06.000 The thing that is preventing you...

01:03:08.000 You're just denying my experience I just shared to you in front of all these people.

01:03:13.000 Yes, if you think that, okay, let me just be very clear.

01:03:15.000 America has come really far.

01:03:17.000 If your best example of racism is getting bad looks in a grocery store, we have made incredible racial moral progress.

01:03:24.000 That's only my experience.

01:03:25.000 There are so many other people out there.

01:03:26.000 But I'm happy to hear every example that they have.

01:03:28.000 It boils down to this.

01:03:29.000 We are not just a racist country.

01:03:31.000 We are the least racist country ever to exist.

01:03:33.000 We go out of our way not to be called the R-word, to demonstrate that we aren't racist, to show to people that I actually have compassion for others and that I want to try to help.

01:03:42.000 You know, people of different skin color.

01:03:44.000 But at its fundamental core, I have to go back to this.

01:03:47.000 I don't actually think skin color matters that much.

01:03:49.000 I don't.

01:03:50.000 I want a country that aims towards MLK's dream of one based on content of character and one on competency.

01:03:56.000 I think the hyper-race obsession of this country is really bad.

01:04:00.000 It's really bad for everybody involved, including black America.

01:04:02.000 And I would just ask you, what would you do to improve the material well-being of black America?

01:04:06.000 What is your solution?

01:04:07.000 Education.

01:04:08.000 Okay, we've spent trillions of dollars on education.

01:04:11.000 Trillions.

01:04:12.000 You need to fundamentally change the system of education because there's not enough funding.

01:04:18.000 Teachers are not paid enough anywhere, let's be honest.

01:04:21.000 We need to seriously fix our education, especially when public school education comes from property taxes.

01:04:30.000 When you're in a low-income neighborhood, you're not going to get high-income teachers.

01:04:35.000 If you had to choose...

01:04:38.000 More money for education or more dads for black kids, what would you say?

01:04:41.000 That goes hand in hand.

01:04:43.000 Education goes into family planning.

01:04:45.000 Oh, I agree.

01:04:45.000 That's why if we get more dads into homes, it starts solving the problem.

01:04:48.000 No, education is what solves the problem.

01:04:51.000 Well, hold on.

01:04:51.000 But, again, if you're just educating and there's not a dad at home reinforcing it, we've seen this play out.

01:04:57.000 We see this in Chicago.

01:04:58.000 In Baltimore, we've spent...

01:04:59.000 Hundreds of billions of dollars in Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit.

01:05:02.000 We have entire classes of kids that can't read at grade level.

01:05:04.000 We have incredible examples of this.

01:05:07.000 And it goes back to this.

01:05:08.000 If you want to have a privileged life in America, very simple.

01:05:12.000 Start acting a certain way.

01:05:14.000 Do not...

01:05:15.000 What do you mean act a certain way?

01:05:17.000 Get married to one person and stay married to that person and don't abandon them.

01:05:21.000 Of which 75% of black... 0.99

01:05:23.000 Men do.

01:05:24.000 So, okay, we have two black men right here.

01:05:27.000 By that statistic, one of us is not going to get married to one woman.

01:05:30.000 So, what do you think?

01:05:31.000 Okay, I hope you guys defy the odds.

01:05:34.000 Were you raised by a two-parent household?

01:05:37.000 Yes, I was.

01:05:37.000 Okay, good.

01:05:38.000 And that's why you are probably here, because that elevates my argument.

01:05:41.000 But the reason why they are here is because of the education they received.

01:05:47.000 Both my parents got their bachelors at college.

01:05:50.000 I'm not discounting education, but I'm saying the parental family nuclear unit is fundamental.

01:05:55.000 It solves everything, and it's not just the hypothesis.

01:05:59.000 Education is what builds that fundamental family structure.

01:06:02.000 That's where we disagree.

01:06:03.000 More government education is not going to put dads back in the home.

01:06:06.000 I'm not saying government education.

01:06:06.000 I'm saying just education in general.

01:06:09.000 Again, New York spends four times as much on education than Idaho.

01:06:15.000 It's not a spending thing.

01:06:17.000 And we'll just end with this.

01:06:18.000 Our belief system is that you come down to the most foundational family unit.

01:06:22.000 And when that breaks down so severely, don't be shocked if that group, when it acts that way, stays in poverty over a longer period of time.

01:06:30.000 Asians are incredibly loyally married.

01:06:32.000 It's one of the reasons why Asian Americans do so well in this country.

01:06:35.000 Hispanics do very well.

01:06:36.000 White Americans increasingly are not doing as well.

01:06:39.000 They also came here by choice, too.

01:06:42.000 My ancestors did not come here by choice, but we don't have to go too far into that.

01:06:47.000 We don't have to go into that?

01:06:48.000 I want to get to the next question.

01:06:49.000 Again, you should be kissing the ground because you're right.

01:06:51.000 You didn't come here by choice.

01:06:53.000 Why are you telling me to?

01:06:54.000 Hold on, I'm telling you right now.

01:06:55.000 You should be kissing the ground with gratitude because you're right.

01:06:57.000 You are not in Africa. 0.97

01:06:59.000 And you should be thankful you're not in Africa, that you're in the United States of America. 1.00

01:07:03.000 That's my end of contempt.

01:07:04.000 Thank you very much.

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01:08:13.000 Hello.

01:08:14.000 Hello.

01:08:14.000 My name is Malcolm, and I guess my question to you today is, when did systemic racism end, and what is your definition of systemic racism?

01:08:23.000 Systemic racism is a law on the books that prohibits an individual from doing something based on their race.

01:08:28.000 It largely ended with the Equal Rights Amendment and the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s.

01:08:32.000 Okay, and so do you think that it just ended right then and there, and there's no lingering effects of that that could...

01:08:39.000 You know, kind of explain some of the disparities we see today?

01:08:42.000 If the hypothesis of lingering intergenerational 60-plus year effects are true, then you must tell me how Jews have done so materially well post-Holocaust, despite everything being taken from them.

01:08:53.000 Well, I don't think that's a one-to-one comparison.

01:08:56.000 You're right.

01:08:56.000 Jews had it much worse than blacks.

01:08:58.000 Well, I think that also there are...

01:09:00.000 Have black Americans ever had a crazy fanatical dictator trying to kill half their population in the span of five years?

01:09:06.000 We have been enslaved for hundreds of years.

01:09:08.000 No, that's not the question.

01:09:09.000 I'm saying Jews actually had it far worse than black Americans did in the 1930s and 40s. 0.99

01:09:14.000 Way worse.

01:09:16.000 But do we have to look at Jews as how we should... 1.00

01:09:20.000 Like, black people should... 1.00

01:09:21.000 No, I'm saying you have to prove the argument that it applies to other groups.

01:09:25.000 So your argument is that things pass down through generations, right?

01:09:29.000 That there's aftershocks.

01:09:30.000 There's a ripple effect.

01:09:31.000 We discount that as very minimal at best.

01:09:33.000 So you have to show me another minority group that has suffered that it held them back.

01:09:38.000 So for black people to have... 1.00

01:09:41.000 For the 60-plus, you know, like, disparity to be true, you have to...

01:09:46.000 See that in another group.

01:09:48.000 Well, yeah, because then it's a rule, right?

01:09:49.000 So the rule should apply to other groups that had other types of suffering.

01:09:53.000 But the way black people were treated in America isn't the same as any other group.

01:09:57.000 Well, I mean, Asians were put in internment camps actually in the 1930s and 40s.

01:10:01.000 Well, yeah, they were.

01:10:02.000 Again, and Jews came with no money in the 40s or 50s after...

01:10:04.000 And that hurt their communities.

01:10:07.000 Right, but then they were able to overcome it.

01:10:08.000 So how is it that Asians are super wealthy now? 0.98

01:10:11.000 Well, they were...

01:10:12.000 Put in internment camps and then let out of camps.

01:10:15.000 For two or three years, some Asians and Chinese and Japanese were in internment camps with no ability to own property, run business.

01:10:20.000 I mean, it was terrible.

01:10:21.000 Every group has gone through some period or form of suffering.

01:10:25.000 Let me ask you a question.

01:10:27.000 Do you think that the material bad status of black America right now has anything to do with decisions that black Americans have made?

01:10:33.000 I think that while that might be part of the reason, I think that there has been a...

01:10:40.000 Push for black Americans to make that choice. 0.99

01:10:45.000 I don't understand what you mean.

01:10:47.000 I would say like take the war on drugs, for example.

01:10:50.000 I would think that that is a way that black and white people are using drugs at similar rates. 0.99

01:10:57.000 But black people were punished for it more severely and given longer sentences. 0.97

01:11:01.000 Okay, none of that is correct, but that's fine.

01:11:02.000 Well, it is.

01:11:03.000 It's based on income, not based on race.

01:11:05.000 But again...

01:11:06.000 But those are pretty much the same thing.

01:11:09.000 Again, I always find the war on drugs argument so laughable.

01:11:11.000 You don't want to go to jail for doing cocaine, don't do cocaine.

01:11:13.000 Like, I don't understand the argument.

01:11:15.000 Like, it's not that hard.

01:11:18.000 It's not complex stuff, right?

01:11:20.000 It's as if, like, wait, so the argument is that a bunch of... 0.73

01:11:23.000 Black people were doing cocaine, and they caught us, and we're the problem. 1.00

01:11:27.000 Well, they were given longer sentences than white people. 0.92

01:11:29.000 Again, hotly and highly debated, but it still is.

01:11:34.000 It's not.

01:11:35.000 I've heard it from a lot of sources.

01:11:37.000 If you distill it down based on the quality of attorney they had based on their income level, it just so happens a lot of black Americans had a lower income level.

01:11:43.000 Why is that, though?

01:11:45.000 And I think there's a reason that that's...

01:11:47.000 And just so we're clear...

01:11:49.000 And I think that's a systemic reason.

01:11:50.000 The war on drugs was insanely popular with black leaders back in the 1980s because black communities were actually being ravaged by drugs.

01:11:57.000 There's a reason why we launched it.

01:11:58.000 Well, why were they...

01:11:59.000 They were put in there in the first place.

01:12:02.000 Oh, so the government, like, put a bunch of cocaine in the inner city?

01:12:05.000 Into the inner cities, that is a...

01:12:07.000 That's true.

01:12:09.000 No.

01:12:09.000 I believe that is true.

01:12:11.000 That's not true.

01:12:11.000 Well, you don't have to.

01:12:12.000 Well, we can move on from that.

01:12:14.000 It's okay, but let's try to find some common ground, because I don't want this to be overly combative.

01:12:17.000 Okay, I would agree.

01:12:18.000 Would you prefer a country that prioritizes race or one that prioritizes merit?

01:12:24.000 I think we should have a country that prioritizes merit, and I think we need to look at why some races are seen as less merited than others.

01:12:32.000 Okay, so again, just to go back to it, I can give you another example.

01:12:36.000 Cubans came here with nothing. 1.00

01:12:38.000 Any Cubans in the audience?

01:12:40.000 Nothing, right?

01:12:42.000 Nothing, right?

01:12:42.000 Am I right?

01:12:43.000 Nothing.

01:12:44.000 Because of Castro.

01:12:46.000 Like, the poorest people ever to come to America would be Cubans. 1.00

01:12:49.000 They're incredibly wealthy per capita now.

01:12:51.000 How does it keep on happening with every other group, but black America is, like, seemingly always held back? 0.99

01:12:57.000 I think you also have to look at, there are Cubans who move here with wealth. 1.00

01:13:01.000 It's the ones who are rich enough to move.

01:13:03.000 At least, a lot of them are.

01:13:06.000 And I think that even the ones who do come here, you know, with nothing, which a lot do.

01:13:11.000 But you have to, in order for your hypothesis to be true, it needs to bear out with one other group.

01:13:17.000 So there have been...

01:13:18.000 What?

01:13:19.000 Okay, what do you think my hypothesis is?

01:13:22.000 Your hypothesis is one of intergenerational struggle that what has happened 60 years ago has direct impact to the material well-being of what happens today.

01:13:30.000 We reject that premise.

01:13:31.000 You don't think that...

01:13:33.000 History affects the president?

01:13:35.000 Not nearly as much as you think it does, actually.

01:13:37.000 We believe that you are most importantly a consequence of your agency and your actions.

01:13:43.000 Most importantly.

01:13:45.000 And yes, there are historical implications that impact you.

01:13:47.000 Of course they do.

01:13:48.000 But to just say something that happened not in your lifetime and not even in all of your dad's lifetime...

01:13:54.000 Well, it happened in my grandmother's lifetime.

01:13:56.000 Right.

01:13:56.000 And it affected how my dad grew up.

01:13:58.000 And it affected how...

01:13:59.000 You know, what he had to do to get where he is and for me to do what I did to get here as well.

01:14:04.000 Okay, but you've got to break that down, though.

01:14:07.000 Do you want me to explain, like, my whole family's history of how we...

01:14:10.000 Not necessarily, no, but at some point you have to say, huh, despite all the bad stuff happening to us, we still could have made good choices and we would have flourished.

01:14:18.000 Well, I think you can make good choices and I think that you should also help people make good choices because I don't see why we shouldn't.

01:14:24.000 No, we should help people make good choices.

01:14:25.000 Do you know why?

01:14:26.000 That's why we should get rid of DEI, which actually elevates and rewards people that have not necessarily worked as hard.

01:14:34.000 DEI just means diversity, equity, and inclusion.

01:14:35.000 No, it means didn't earn it, but yeah, that's fine.

01:14:38.000 It doesn't.

01:14:40.000 I know.

01:14:40.000 Well, why would you say that then?

01:14:42.000 You know it doesn't.

01:14:43.000 Well, because the essence of DEI means didn't earn it.

01:14:44.000 No, it doesn't.

01:14:45.000 Yes, it does.

01:14:46.000 It means diversity, equity, and inclusion.

01:14:47.000 And I will explain what's wrong with inclusion.

01:14:50.000 What's so evil about that word that you don't like it?

01:14:53.000 Okay, well, in practice, not the word itself, this is a forced corporate program or college program, however you want to put it, that is putting people in positions that have less...

01:15:03.000 I went with this previous guy.

01:15:04.000 It's very simple.

01:15:05.000 You are elevating things that do not matter, that should not be in the matrix of making decisions.

01:15:09.000 DEI isn't just about hiring.

01:15:11.000 It can be research to find, you know, disparities of, you know, diseases against different groups.

01:15:17.000 And it can be like...

01:15:18.000 It's not just race.

01:15:19.000 It's also, you know, disabilities.

01:15:21.000 It's also veterans.

01:15:23.000 You know, that's a group of people that we include here at Texas A&M.

01:15:26.000 So I want to get to the next question, but here's my plea to you and to all of black America, which is this.

01:15:32.000 You could pick the Salvadorians, the Mexicans, the Iranians, the Persians, the Syrians, the Lebanese.

01:15:37.000 You could pick any country.

01:15:39.000 The ones that have succeeded reject the attitude that you and the prior guy have said.

01:15:44.000 What do you think my attitude is?

01:15:46.000 Again, your attitude is very clear.

01:15:48.000 You are prioritizing the past and de-emphasizing agency in the media.

01:15:52.000 I am saying that the past should have an effect on what we do now.

01:15:57.000 All these other groups do not believe this.

01:16:00.000 How do you talk to all of these other groups?

01:16:02.000 Well, again, you can look at their cultural ethos.

01:16:04.000 What?

01:16:05.000 Again, so you cannot find in major Cuban literature in Miami this belief like... 0.86

01:16:12.000 Well, I'm not able to succeed because they took my farm away and everything's gone in Castro. 1.00

01:16:15.000 That's not what I'm saying.

01:16:16.000 And that's not what anyone who's pushing for DEI is saying.

01:16:19.000 It is, though.

01:16:19.000 And that's the problem.

01:16:20.000 No, but the vast majority of people I've talked to who support DEI don't say that.

01:16:24.000 Okay, they might not say it, but again, in practice.

01:16:26.000 They don't practice it either.

01:16:27.000 In black America, it is a dominant worldview, irrefutably, that focuses on past injustices and not future prosperity. 0.88

01:16:36.000 Can we agree on that?

01:16:37.000 Well, okay, can you say that again?

01:16:39.000 In black America. 0.95

01:16:41.000 There is an attitude, a worldview, an ethos that is predominantly focused on past injustices, not on future prosperity.

01:16:49.000 Well, I think it's, I think, one, you're simplifying it too much.

01:16:52.000 I think black Americans see that there have been past injustices, and those past injustices are still here to some extent today.

01:17:01.000 Okay, has that mindset worked for black America?

01:17:03.000 Well, what do you mean?

01:17:04.000 I mean, it worked for MLK.

01:17:06.000 I mean, it worked for him.

01:17:07.000 MLK actually had the exact opposite.

01:17:09.000 MLK would be marching in the streets against DEI, actually.

01:17:12.000 No, he would not be.

01:17:13.000 Well, he said, I don't care about color.

01:17:14.000 I care about content of character.

01:17:16.000 DEI cares about color.

01:17:18.000 DEI is about making an inclusive space for everyone of every background.

01:17:23.000 DEI and Wokeness believe that every action is impacted by some systemic injustice and that DEI can fix it.

01:17:30.000 We're not going to agree much.

01:17:30.000 My final plea is this.

01:17:32.000 I just hope Black America stops this victim mentality and embraces a victor mentality. 1.00

01:17:37.000 They'll be much better if they do that.

01:17:39.000 Thank you very much.

01:17:40.000 Thank you for your time.

01:17:44.000 All right, we'll take one or two more.

01:17:45.000 Oh, we got Johnny Depp here.

01:17:46.000 Hey, boss, how you doing?

01:17:48.000 All right, so I had a question about something you were talking about earlier.

01:17:51.000 Oh, my bad.

01:17:52.000 So you were talking about science and the church and, like, separating the two?

01:17:56.000 I just fundamentally don't believe that.

01:17:58.000 I want to know where that came from.

01:18:00.000 Say that again. 0.71

01:18:01.000 Science, for me, explains God's creation.

01:18:04.000 Yeah, science.

01:18:05.000 No, I never said, no, I said reason and revelation.

01:18:07.000 You kind of did earlier, though.

01:18:08.000 No, no, no, I never said that.

01:18:09.000 I said reason and revelation are two different matrices of viewing things, and actually one can point to the other.

01:18:14.000 Okay, well for me, I'm saying science explains the world and whatnot, right?

01:18:18.000 That's why I chose science as a course.

01:18:20.000 Right.

01:18:21.000 I think science proves that God is true.

01:18:23.000 I think the more that we study the human genome, the more that we map DNA, the more that we understand the miraculous improbability of our existence.

01:18:29.000 We're talking about verbiage here a second ago.

01:18:31.000 Let's just talk about how science doesn't prove God.

01:18:33.000 It explains God, if anything.

01:18:36.000 Fine.

01:18:36.000 Right.

01:18:37.000 Semantics, right?

01:18:38.000 That's what we were talking about earlier?

01:18:39.000 Okay, sure.

01:18:39.000 What I'm saying is, why does it have any room in our political discussion whatsoever?

01:18:44.000 Oh, it has a huge role in our political discussion.

01:18:46.000 Why?

01:18:46.000 You mean politics or religion or what?

01:18:48.000 Yeah, politics.

01:18:49.000 Why does religion play any role in politics?

01:18:50.000 Again, I'll go back to what I said in my opening speech.

01:18:53.000 Can you have a separation of morality and state?

01:18:55.000 Yes.

01:18:57.000 Okay, explain that to me.

01:18:58.000 So if we're going to pass a law.

01:18:59.000 Yes.

01:19:00.000 And we're going to say, do not murder.

01:19:03.000 By what standard do we believe that?

01:19:06.000 By any of which, please.

01:19:07.000 By what?

01:19:08.000 Separation of church and state says that I can have any reason for believing that. 0.94

01:19:12.000 No, no, no, no, no.

01:19:13.000 You're not following.

01:19:14.000 Chill.

01:19:17.000 You're not following.

01:19:18.000 You have to tell me by what standard do you get that from.

01:19:20.000 Calm down.

01:19:21.000 So what I'm saying is, I can derive morality from any which way I do believe.

01:19:25.000 Oh, I agree with that.

01:19:26.000 That's a problem.

01:19:27.000 Which means...

01:19:28.000 Christianity does not need to be the fundamental cause for morality, so I'm saying they should be separate 110%. 1.00

01:19:36.000 Okay, so what cause of morality do you think the state should ascribe to?

01:19:40.000 There's no basis for morality.

01:19:42.000 Morality is what the collective believes.

01:19:45.000 Oh, it's what the collective believes.

01:19:46.000 Like a democracy.

01:19:47.000 Got it.

01:19:47.000 So under that belief, was Hitler right to kill the Jews?

01:19:51.000 They wanted it.

01:19:52.000 No.

01:19:52.000 Oh, but that's what the people believe?

01:19:54.000 Yeah, but there's more than just Germany out there.

01:19:56.000 There's a whole damn world.

01:19:57.000 Okay, yeah, Soviet Union, they believe that we should imprison the...

01:20:00.000 There's more people than just Russia.

01:20:02.000 Okay, Mao's China.

01:20:03.000 Mao China wanted to go...

01:20:04.000 There's more people than just China.

01:20:05.000 What do you not understand about this?

01:20:06.000 Well, actually, we're getting up at, like, half of the world population at this point.

01:20:09.000 At eighth, first of all, so be clear about your numbers.

01:20:11.000 Well, hold on.

01:20:12.000 If you...

01:20:12.000 Hold on.

01:20:12.000 Calm down.

01:20:13.000 Okay, so...

01:20:14.000 You're the one who doesn't know anything.

01:20:16.000 And so, wait, hold on.

01:20:17.000 If you add up China's population, Russia's population, a population of Europe...

01:20:20.000 Which all have different beliefs.

01:20:21.000 You add up, like, half of, you know, the world population.

01:20:25.000 Which all have different beliefs.

01:20:25.000 What are you talking about?

01:20:26.000 Right, exactly.

01:20:28.000 So at some point, do you believe murder is objectively wrong?

01:20:30.000 Yeah, because the collective says it's wrong.

01:20:32.000 What do you mean?

01:20:33.000 But not in every country do they say it's wrong.

01:20:35.000 That's the view in power of each of those countries.

01:20:36.000 What are you talking about?

01:20:37.000 That's not correct.

01:20:38.000 That is correct.

01:20:39.000 What do you mean?

01:20:40.000 See, now you're getting a little upset.

01:20:41.000 I am, because you're objectively trying to lie to the crowd.

01:20:44.000 So, again, the collective.

01:20:47.000 This is not a Star Trek episode, okay?

01:20:49.000 But let me walk you through this.

01:20:52.000 In Nazi Germany, the body politic wanted bad things to happen to Jews.

01:20:57.000 And most of the world said that was wrong.

01:21:00.000 Okay, but the country itself said it was okay.

01:21:03.000 Most of the world right now says abortion is okay.

01:21:06.000 Is most of the world right?

01:21:08.000 Yeah, probably.

01:21:09.000 Oh.

01:21:10.000 By what moral standard?

01:21:12.000 By the one they've collectively agreed upon.

01:21:15.000 Can the collective ever be wrong?

01:21:17.000 Probably.

01:21:18.000 So, in world history...

01:21:20.000 Why are you a man being able to say this when everyone here believes God sets the mandate?

01:21:24.000 So, why are you trying to tell me what it is?

01:21:26.000 In world history, the entire planet, the entire planet for 2,000 years, believed slavery was okay.

01:21:33.000 Was the entire world right?

01:21:35.000 No, obviously not.

01:21:37.000 We just talked about morality being wronged by the collective occasionally.

01:21:41.000 Well, I think slavery and mass murder is pretty wrong, right?

01:21:44.000 Yeah, 100%.

01:21:45.000 So, again...

01:21:47.000 When the collective gets things wrong, then maybe we shouldn't appeal to the collective because the collective has given us really evil things over the years.

01:21:58.000 Instead, we should appeal to something higher than us, something greater.

01:22:03.000 Has Christianity ever led to anything evil? 1.00

01:22:05.000 Of course.

01:22:06.000 You can use a shovel to dig a ditch or to murder somebody.

01:22:09.000 What I'm saying is Christianity has no merit above the collective. 1.00

01:22:12.000 Of course it does.

01:22:13.000 How?

01:22:14.000 Well, first of all...

01:22:15.000 That's not the word of God.

01:22:16.000 That's the word of men describing the word of God.

01:22:19.000 Okay, that's a separate issue if you want to discuss that.

01:22:22.000 But I do ask the question, what faith did the founding fathers have?

01:22:28.000 Separation of church and state.

01:22:29.000 Okay, again, that actually wasn't in, that's not in the Constitution.

01:22:33.000 All right, those words explicitly were not in there.

01:22:35.000 Yeah, and just so we're clear, do you know where that phrase came from?

01:22:38.000 People escaping religious persecution from their home countries.

01:22:41.000 Right, so it was Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist Convention guaranteeing them that the state will not come after them.

01:22:48.000 He also had slaves, so how is he inherently right?

01:22:50.000 You said people make mistakes.

01:22:52.000 Of course they can, but that's not even the contention I was making.

01:22:55.000 I was saying that's the origination of the term.

01:22:58.000 John Adams famously said, the Constitution, the structure that we care about, is only compatible with a moral and religious people.

01:23:05.000 When the American people are no longer moral or religious, the promise of the Constitution starts to fall apart.

01:23:11.000 And again, I will kind of go back...

01:23:12.000 Semantics or.

01:23:14.000 Not moral and religious, moral or religious.

01:23:17.000 People can derive morality outside of religion.

01:23:20.000 Okay, again, you might come to a conclusion with a blindfold on, but that's a bad way to be able to find proof.

01:23:26.000 But you're taking your own bias into account, are you not?

01:23:28.000 So let's, I do have to, and by the way, just so we're clear, John Adams didn't own slaves, so you should also...

01:23:33.000 I didn't say John Adams.

01:23:34.000 No, I'm just saying you should take what he takes more seriously, but I do want to get down more fundamentally.

01:23:39.000 In the 20th century, we saw mass murder in China, in Vietnam, in the Soviet Union, in Nazi Germany, all because they believed the collective morality is correct.

01:23:47.000 Does any of that make you have pause that maybe we should appeal to something greater?

01:23:50.000 You're also describing places where they had power consolidated at the top.

01:23:55.000 Well, okay, because the people largely gave it to them, right?

01:23:58.000 Not necessarily.

01:23:59.000 You guys complained for years about a rigged election.

01:24:02.000 You can't think that happened beforehand, before technology was so abundant?

01:24:05.000 Okay, again, we're now conflating like three separate topics.

01:24:08.000 No, you're talking about a new issue and I'm converting to the issue with you.

01:24:11.000 So if today, let's do a hypothetical.

01:24:14.000 Okay.

01:24:15.000 If today, so actually in 1870, 1840.

01:24:19.000 Okay, that's not now.

01:24:20.000 Okay, let's even say today.

01:24:21.000 If today all of a sudden there was an up or down vote and people want to bring back, you know, let's just say indentured servitude, would the collective be wrong?

01:24:29.000 Probably, and I would speak against that too.

01:24:30.000 By what definition of wrong are you appealing to?

01:24:33.000 My own sense of morality that's not derived from religion.

01:24:35.000 See, this is where you get this, now the final revealing.

01:24:38.000 He's now revealed himself.

01:24:39.000 What revealed?

01:24:39.000 It's your opinion versus their opinion.

01:24:42.000 We as Christians believe there's something above both of us that we appeal to.

01:24:45.000 And I agree with that.

01:24:46.000 I don't agree with your sense of morality.

01:24:50.000 Your sense of morality is a bastardized eyes of the church word.

01:24:53.000 Okay, fair.

01:24:54.000 100%.

01:24:54.000 Not fair enough, but I'm going to go to this.

01:24:56.000 Okay.

01:24:56.000 But one final thing.

01:24:58.000 Wouldn't we both agree, then, we need objective, transcendent morality to live under?

01:25:03.000 Objective cannot exist in morality.

01:25:05.000 That is opinionated.

01:25:06.000 Okay, so therefore, murder cannot objectively be wrong.

01:25:10.000 Child rape cannot objectively be wrong.

01:25:12.000 It's just an opinion.

01:25:13.000 That is not anything I just said.

01:25:15.000 You put those examples forth.

01:25:16.000 That's actually what I said, right?

01:25:18.000 So let's take child rape. 1.00

01:25:20.000 You're talking about a very deep...

01:25:22.000 Sorry.

01:25:24.000 You're talking about a very deeper issue that is a...

01:25:27.000 No, it's actually exactly where this conversation is going.

01:25:30.000 You're talking about philosophy here, which is beyond the scope of the conversation we're having.

01:25:34.000 Is that not philosophy?

01:25:37.000 Religion is a form of philosophy.

01:25:39.000 No, it's not.

01:25:39.000 It's a form of religion.

01:25:40.000 So what does the word philosophy mean?

01:25:43.000 The word philosophy means what?

01:25:45.000 A definition of morality and ethics outside of religion.

01:25:49.000 What does philosophy mean, everybody?

01:25:50.000 Philos, love.

01:25:52.000 Sophos, wisdom.

01:25:53.000 The love of wisdom.

01:25:54.000 And where do you get wisdom from?

01:25:56.000 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

01:25:58.000 I would argue...

01:25:59.000 No, no, no.

01:26:01.000 Absolutely not.

01:26:02.000 Absolutely not.

01:26:04.000 Wisdom comes from experience.

01:26:06.000 The word of God comes from the bastardization of man.

01:26:10.000 Who wrote the passages in the Bible?

01:26:13.000 Man.

01:26:14.000 Well, he transcribed them.

01:26:15.000 He transcribed...

01:26:16.000 That's the same...

01:26:17.000 I'm sorry.

01:26:19.000 That's the same thing.

01:26:20.000 I'm sorry.

01:26:20.000 That's my bad.

01:26:21.000 I'm sorry.

01:26:22.000 By what moral standard was it wrong to swear?

01:26:24.000 Yeah.

01:26:25.000 Woo, woo, woo, woo. 0.99

01:26:32.000 I don't find it to be wrong.

01:26:34.000 I think every adult here cusses and it's not objectively wrong. 0.95

01:26:36.000 If it's not wrong, why'd you apologize?

01:26:39.000 Okay, that's fine.

01:26:40.000 Are you ever going to apologize?

01:26:43.000 I'm sorry, hold on.

01:26:44.000 This is important.

01:26:45.000 If it's not wrong, why'd you apologize for swearing?

01:26:47.000 There's something in you that said this is wrong.

01:26:49.000 Because the collective of this room said it's wrong and I try not to do it.

01:26:52.000 No, they didn't.

01:26:52.000 There wasn't a vote.

01:26:53.000 There wasn't a scorecard like don't vote, like don't swear, not swear.

01:26:56.000 Who clapped with Christianity? 0.99

01:26:57.000 Okay, yes.

01:26:57.000 Oh, now they're silent.

01:26:59.000 Christianity inherently has taught me, throughout my youth, not to swear, not to bless.

01:27:04.000 Has that been a good thing or a bad thing for humanity?

01:27:07.000 I think it's neutral.

01:27:09.000 I think it makes no difference.

01:27:10.000 I think it's a good thing we teach people to restrain their tongues. 1.00

01:27:13.000 I think it's a good thing for self-control.

01:27:15.000 I think it's a good thing that we teach that your words really matter and that you shouldn't just say whatever you want to say whenever you want to say it.

01:27:20.000 And the fact...

01:27:22.000 I agree with that.

01:27:23.000 Well, hold on.

01:27:23.000 The fact you interrupted yourself shows that actually the Christian inheritance of you knowing it creates better actions.

01:27:29.000 Because it creates better behavior.

01:27:32.000 Yeah, I've also seen Christians do the worst shit I've ever seen. 1.00

01:27:34.000 Of course, but how do you know it's bad?

01:27:37.000 You know it's bad.

01:27:38.000 My own sense of morality.

01:27:39.000 We've been over this.

01:27:40.000 Right.

01:27:40.000 And Hitler's sense of morality has killed the Jews.

01:27:42.000 If we all have our own...

01:27:43.000 And the collective said that's not right.

01:27:45.000 Well, actually, they didn't.

01:27:46.000 He was democratically elected.

01:27:47.000 It's not true.

01:27:48.000 Of that country.

01:27:49.000 There's more people in a country, dog.

01:27:51.000 Yes.

01:27:52.000 Again, lots of countries can make collectively awful and terrible decisions.

01:27:57.000 Right.

01:27:58.000 And so when a country does that...

01:28:00.000 And again, just so we're clear.

01:28:01.000 That also happened in the past.

01:28:02.000 You are unintentionally minimizing the Holocaust, which is fine. 0.99

01:28:06.000 How?

01:28:07.000 Because you're saying, oh, it's just one country.

01:28:08.000 It's just one thing.

01:28:09.000 First of all, Hitler took over all of Europe. 0.94

01:28:11.000 It wasn't just one country.

01:28:13.000 Through military strength, not through democracy.

01:28:15.000 Right, but he believed he was right.

01:28:17.000 Right, and the rest of the world said, you're not.

01:28:19.000 Well, actually, that's not true.

01:28:21.000 At first, Russia said he was right.

01:28:25.000 Then they changed their mind.

01:28:26.000 Italy said he was right. 0.99

01:28:28.000 Imperial Japan said he was right. 0.98

01:28:30.000 The whole world was not united against Hitler.

01:28:33.000 Time out.

01:28:33.000 The whole world was not against Hitler until two original Anglo-Christian nations, Britain and America, decided to tell him to stop.

01:28:44.000 So the whole world was...

01:28:46.000 Nope.

01:28:47.000 Not correct.

01:28:48.000 The entire world was not united against Hitler.

01:28:51.000 In fact, every major power was trying to cozy up to him.

01:28:54.000 You are talking about the word of the men that were leading those countries, not the people themselves.

01:28:59.000 Again.

01:29:00.000 You still ignore the people's word.

01:29:02.000 I know 75 million people voted or whatever, but there's more people than 75 million in America.

01:29:06.000 I'm so sick of this conversation of the majority.

01:29:17.000 I'm talking about the majority with the election, people.

01:29:19.000 75 is not a majority of 350.

01:29:23.000 That's math.

01:29:26.000 Mr. Pirate, you brought up the collective, just to be clear.

01:29:29.000 Yes.

01:29:30.000 And I also said the collective can be wrong.

01:29:33.000 Again, we go back to the moral standard of what is wrong.

01:29:35.000 There's no absolute truth over here.

01:29:37.000 Yes, there is.

01:29:37.000 You're trying to say there is.

01:29:37.000 Do you believe that absolutely?

01:29:40.000 You got me.

01:29:41.000 Do you believe it absolutely?

01:29:42.000 You said there's...

01:29:43.000 If there's no absolute truth, do you believe it absolutely?

01:29:48.000 Personally.

01:29:48.000 But there is no absolute on the collective.

01:29:50.000 Wait, hold on.

01:29:51.000 So you absolutely...

01:29:52.000 My personal beliefs do not dictate the rest of the world.

01:29:54.000 Well, hold on.

01:29:55.000 So you absolutely believe that there is no such thing as absolute truth, therefore showing that there is absolute truth.

01:30:02.000 Okay.

01:30:02.000 Because that's a truth plan.

01:30:03.000 Thank you, boss.

01:30:04.000 Yes, what I'm saying is that your philosophy falls apart upon even the slightest cross-examination.

01:30:09.000 Which is that, of course, there's absolute truth.

01:30:10.000 Your only fundamental truth is a book that was written thousands of years ago and translated multiple times.

01:30:15.000 What do you mean?

01:30:16.000 Truth can change with knowledge being input.

01:30:20.000 Okay, truth can change.

01:30:22.000 I'll wrap up in a sec.

01:30:24.000 Okay, boss.

01:30:26.000 Truth can change.

01:30:28.000 Can men become women? 0.99

01:30:30.000 Those are trans women, specifically. 0.82

01:30:33.000 But can a man become a woman? 0.99

01:30:37.000 Can an adult become an infant?

01:30:40.000 But you sure act like one.

01:30:42.000 Oh, thank you.

01:30:43.000 That's really sharp.

01:30:44.000 I thought I'd throw that out there.

01:30:46.000 Look, you're talking about semantics of someone else's life.

01:30:49.000 You're talking about semantics of someone else's life where neither of us have a word to say about it.

01:30:52.000 We will go to the next question.

01:30:54.000 I will close with this on this and we'll do one more.

01:30:56.000 This is the moral confusion that happens if Christians do not contest in the public square. 0.79

01:31:01.000 This right here.

01:31:02.000 Thank you very much.

01:31:03.000 I'm Christian.

01:31:04.000 Hi, my name is Santi Granda.

01:31:14.000 My question is about birthright citizenship.

01:31:21.000 Me and my brother, I might be a little biased since we're both citizens by birthright citizenship, but I know that you are anti-birthright citizenship.

01:31:28.000 And I was wondering if you could clarify on...

01:31:33.000 Yeah, I mean, look, nothing against you guys.

01:31:35.000 I'm glad you're here, and this is not an indictment of every individual.

01:31:38.000 But generally, let me take the most extreme case that happens, and maybe we can find some agreement.

01:31:43.000 There are cases of tens of thousands of times, sometimes a year, of pregnant women from Asia who board flights seven months pregnant.

01:31:50.000 They land and have babies, and those kids become U.S. citizens.

01:31:53.000 I think we both agree that's egregious, right?

01:31:55.000 That you have no connection here.

01:31:57.000 It's literally you come here, you give birth in a San Francisco hospital, and you get basically your citizenship card.

01:32:06.000 So I believe that very simply, that citizenship, if you are not yourself a citizen, just like it is in almost every industrialized country in the world, citizenship shall not automatically be granted to your children.

01:32:18.000 My parents, they were here through a visa.

01:32:21.000 Is that, like, change, like, the situation?

01:32:23.000 No, but I think that's a good question.

01:32:26.000 You should have been given some protected status of, you know, a visa child waiver or whatever.

01:32:31.000 I don't think you should have had no status whatsoever, but you should have had some way to be here, have documentation, so on and so forth.

01:32:37.000 Thank you.

01:32:38.000 Thank you very much.

01:32:38.000 Great.

01:32:39.000 Last question.

01:32:40.000 Want me to sign it?

01:32:43.000 Can you sign my hat again?

01:32:45.000 Yes, sir.

01:32:48.000 Last question here.

01:32:49.000 We'll get to the last question.

01:32:53.000 Howdy, Charlie.

01:32:54.000 How are you?

01:32:54.000 My name is Matthew.

01:32:55.000 I got some questions about, you know, the economic plans that Trump's, like, putting into effect right now.

01:33:00.000 I thought it was going to be a good last question.

01:33:01.000 I know.

01:33:02.000 I'm sorry.

01:33:03.000 Pretty boring.

01:33:04.000 So, like, let's talk about the actual, like, economic system right now.

01:33:08.000 Don't you think that consumers, when they're looking at the market, see it failing with a 5% decrease in the S&P 500?

01:33:14.000 I mean, it was up today.

01:33:16.000 Markets go up, markets go down.

01:33:17.000 Yeah, I mean, they go up and they go down, but it's not that volatile.

01:33:19.000 There's a reason why it's being talked about in news and media right now.

01:33:22.000 It's because it's a 5% decrease.

01:33:24.000 A Roth IRA right now, and you put $100,000 into that Roth IRA, you lose $5,000 to $10,000.

01:33:31.000 Right.

01:33:31.000 For now, and we believe that it will recover.

01:33:33.000 So then wait.

01:33:34.000 Let's talk about why economics are failing right now.

01:33:37.000 What is the reason why the stock is decreasing?

01:33:40.000 Time out.

01:33:40.000 Stock markets are not always an indicator of economic health.

01:33:43.000 Oh, no, no.

01:33:44.000 Of course.

01:33:45.000 But that's what the consumers are seeing.

01:33:46.000 That's what I'm talking about right now.

01:33:47.000 Hold on.

01:33:47.000 To consumers, we are seeing that the...

01:33:49.000 You've got to stop interrupting me.

01:33:50.000 Sorry, sorry.

01:33:50.000 Yeah, go ahead.

01:33:51.000 Stock markets are first and foremost...

01:33:55.000 We fully acknowledge that President Trump's tariff plan is one that is an experiment that people voted for.

01:34:06.000 And so we believe, we want to see this through, we believe that the economy, not just being a stock market, is very important to fix and heal.

01:34:15.000 We're about to get, and I think it's important, we're about to get a massive tax bill of no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, no tax on social security.

01:34:24.000 And we believe that coupled with better trade deals, I'm not going to make any economic predictions.

01:34:30.000 Wait, let's talk about those new economic trade deals.

01:34:33.000 Let me finish my sentence.

01:34:34.000 I'm literally over time.

01:34:36.000 We believe the market will go up and in spades once we rebalance what is a very unfair global trade practice.

01:34:42.000 Last point.

01:34:43.000 Okay, let's talk about the unfair global trade practice.

01:34:46.000 What exactly is that?

01:34:47.000 What is unfair about the global trade practice right now?

01:34:49.000 Is it interdependency or is it the buzzword trade deficit?

01:34:53.000 The fact we don't make vitamin C in America and we have to get it from China is pretty unfair.

01:34:57.000 Okay, but that's because wage is cheaper there. 0.98

01:34:58.000 Let's actually talk about that and the reason why tariffs hurt us.

01:35:01.000 I know why it's happening.

01:35:02.000 I'm saying it's bad.

01:35:03.000 I'm saying it's bad we can't make our own drones.

01:35:05.000 So then let's talk about wages.

01:35:07.000 Wages are one of the biggest costs to any manufacturing plant.

01:35:10.000 So whenever you have people in Mexico getting paid $13 a day compared to...

01:35:15.000 California is $16 an hour.

01:35:17.000 Isn't that a difference?

01:35:18.000 Of course it is.

01:35:18.000 No one's not acknowledging it.

01:35:19.000 Exactly.

01:35:20.000 So then how is a 10% to 20% to 30% tariff going to change that?

01:35:24.000 It's 10 times more expensive, not 30%.

01:35:26.000 You've got to calm down.

01:35:27.000 Sorry.

01:35:27.000 Last question, then I really have to go.

01:35:29.000 How does one avoid a tariff?

01:35:31.000 I'm sorry?

01:35:31.000 How do you avoid a tariff?

01:35:33.000 So, yeah, you go through negotiations, or you just thug it out.

01:35:37.000 As a company, you have to, like, actually sit it out.

01:35:39.000 I mean, you guys laugh about it, but that's what's happening right now.

01:35:41.000 The cost is going on to you guys.

01:35:43.000 Let's say you're Toyota.

01:35:44.000 How do you avoid the tariff?

01:35:46.000 I mean, you would have to move your manufacturing plant to another country.

01:35:50.000 You mean America?

01:35:51.000 That costs hundreds of millions of dollars.

01:35:53.000 I'm sorry.

01:35:54.000 I'm sorry, y 'all.

01:35:55.000 Wait, hold on.

01:35:55.000 Are you going to think a billion-dollar company is going to just...

01:35:57.000 Pick up all the things and move across the world?

01:35:59.000 Actually, they are.

01:36:01.000 No, they're not.

01:36:02.000 Time out.

01:36:02.000 We have over $3 trillion of new investment that have said they're pledged to build manufacturing plants, to build assembly lines.

01:36:09.000 And so, yes, they're already doing it.

01:36:11.000 Toyota's announced three new plants.

01:36:13.000 We have incredible opportunity to have more manufacturing brought to this country.

01:36:17.000 That's just one example.

01:36:19.000 The rest of the goods are still going to be more expensive.

01:36:21.000 Again, NVIDIA just announced the $500 billion.

01:36:23.000 So then why did their stock just plummet?

01:36:26.000 Okay, because...

01:36:26.000 I lost $4,000 investing in NVIDIA stock.

01:36:29.000 Okay, well, that was your decision.

01:36:30.000 That's my bad, yeah, because I, you know, put faith into the economic system that you guys have.

01:36:34.000 Well, also, to be honest, so let's...

01:36:35.000 I hate to put you on the spot.

01:36:37.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:36:37.000 Do you know what NVIDIA's price-to-earning ratio was?

01:36:40.000 Hyperinflated.

01:36:41.000 A seasoned investor would never actually buy a 23-to-1 price-to-earning ratio.

01:36:45.000 Oh, no, no, no, I actually sat through...

01:36:46.000 I still made money, don't get me wrong.

01:36:47.000 Oh, I still made money.

01:36:48.000 I picked that $16,000 and I dropped down to $12,000, but regardless...

01:36:51.000 The point being is that the market was hyperinflated.

01:36:53.000 It was hyperinflated, but regardless...

01:36:55.000 It wasn't just NVIDIA.

01:36:56.000 Let's talk about the other 500 companies.

01:36:58.000 It was all red.

01:36:58.000 That was a 5% loss.

01:37:00.000 Yes.

01:37:00.000 Again, to go back to this, the economy is more than a stock market.

01:37:03.000 I'll close with this.

01:37:04.000 Okay, but that's what the consumer see it as.

01:37:06.000 The people voted for tariffs.

01:37:07.000 We believe that it's going to be a net positive and a net benefit.

01:37:11.000 We are going through a period of turbulence.

01:37:13.000 And when we come out of this, we're going to have an incredibly attractive tax environment and more companies want to do business here.

01:37:18.000 Really quick last thought.

01:37:19.000 Okay, last point.

01:37:21.000 So, obviously, you think that tariffs are the backbone of this economic policy, correct?

01:37:25.000 So, we're using that...

01:37:26.000 Partially.

01:37:27.000 ...as leverage for trade, correct?

01:37:28.000 Correct, yes.

01:37:29.000 So, what are we actually, you know, negotiating for?

01:37:33.000 Is it keeping the United States dollar as the global reserve currency?

01:37:35.000 Partially that.

01:37:36.000 Also, the ability to export LNG to the rest of the world.

01:37:39.000 Okay, so then...

01:37:39.000 So, that Texas becomes the new Saudi Arabia.

01:37:42.000 That's not going to happen.

01:37:43.000 Wait, wait, wait.

01:37:44.000 We have different formulations of oil.

01:37:47.000 There's a reason why we aren't supplying the majority of oil.

01:37:49.000 Asia wants West Texas crude really bad.

01:37:53.000 Asia wants West Texas crude more than they can put into words.

01:37:56.000 Right, but California can't use West Texas crude. 0.89

01:37:59.000 They have to use Russian oil.

01:38:00.000 There's a reason why you have $10 a gallon, bro.

01:38:02.000 Again, man, I'm not going to keep going.

01:38:03.000 Because of a refining issue that they've made on themselves.

01:38:05.000 The point being is this.

01:38:06.000 China wants West Texas crude.

01:38:08.000 Long story short.

01:38:09.000 The economy's going to get better.

01:38:10.000 Trump was elected to get it better.

01:38:11.000 Trust the process.

01:38:12.000 Thank you so much.

01:38:13.000 In closing, guys, thank you so much.

01:38:17.000 Gig 'em. 0.84

01:38:17.000 What a great event. 0.84

01:38:18.000 Keep on fighting for freedom, guys.

01:38:19.000 Thank you so much.

01:38:22.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:38:23.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:38:26.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - May 11, 2025

How Conservatives Embody Biblical Values — Live at Texas A&M

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