My conversation at Texas A&M and a speech that people loved in front of a crowd of nearly 3,000 people. I talk about Christianity, the need to believe in God, the necessity of believing in God and we have debates with a pirate and two young men that disagree.
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00:01:40.000I was like, there's something about an intro at a Texas A&M football game that is almost metaphysical, I gotta tell you.
00:01:48.000So that was really special, everybody.
00:01:51.000Alright, we're gonna have some fun tonight.
00:01:53.000Thank you to the great Turning Point USA chapter leaders for putting this together and our Turning Point USA chapter.
00:01:58.000Also, I'm obligated to say this, we are hiring at Turning Point USA as well, so if you want to work for us, we would love to have you work with us at Turning Point.
00:02:06.000We'll talk for a little bit, then we'll do questions.
00:02:08.000And, by the way, this is the biggest campus event we've ever done in Turning Point history.
00:02:20.000So, I want to talk about the most important thing that someone can do in their life, which is the decision of whether or not you make Jesus Christ the chairman of the board of your life.
00:03:23.000We talked a lot about not just Christianity, which again, this is coming after Easter, but what I wish we would have spent more time on is the importance for a society to have an agreed-upon moral structure.
00:03:34.000That if you do not have a religious basis, specifically a Christian one, for your society, something else is going to replace it.
00:03:40.000And this is where the political meets the spiritual and the political meets the religious, which is that we must first and foremost give our life to Christ.
00:03:51.000We all fall short of the glory of God.
00:03:52.000God, nothing we can do, nothing we can earn, nothing that we can say can get us to heaven.
00:03:56.000God sent his son on a rescue mission to save us from our broken nature.
00:04:01.000Of course, Jesus Christ lived a perfect death, taught us how to live, ministered all throughout Judea and Samaria, died a wrongful death to only resurrect three days later, and the tomb is empty, and he is risen, and he is risen indeed.
00:04:14.000Now, the significance of this is almost every other religion on the planet is all about...
00:04:20.000You have to work hard to get closer to God.
00:04:25.000Whereas Christianity, the promise, is completely inverted and different, where God actually comes to us.
00:04:30.000It is a relationship as much as it is a religion.
00:04:33.000It is that we have a personal connection with our Lord and Savior that transforms you, that challenges you, that provokes you.
00:04:39.000For those of you that have given your life to Christ, you know what I'm talking about.
00:04:42.000You know that it all of a sudden becomes a metaphysical difference in how you view the world.
00:04:47.000you think differently on how you whether you're going to drink or you're going to smoke or you follow the flesh and even beyond that though which I think is important, we are seeing especially rise to young people, I'm so excited to see so many people applaud when I talk about Jesus it's just amazing to see Ana Santa Claus it's just so great Which is...
00:05:04.000Which is, when you become less religious, which this generation is, Gen Z is becoming less and less religious than their parents' generation.
00:05:16.000Then you have a gaping-sized hole in your heart, and something must fill it.
00:05:20.000And out of the lack of Christianity is where we get wokeism.
00:05:24.000Understand that it's easy to attack wokeism, this idea that men can give birth, and all this nonsense that I'm sure we'll have some wonderful people talk about tonight.
00:06:25.000The aspect here that I think we don't want to miss, though, is that when you have a society that gets away from Christianity, our birthright, which Christianity is what founded the West, Christianity is what gave us this amazing country, it's easy to say, well, Charlie, you know, separates church and state.
00:06:40.000Of course, there should be some separation, some distinction.
00:06:42.000But do we have separation of morality and state?
00:06:44.000And when you no longer have a bedrock upon agreed moral structure for your society, then people are going to be in moral confusion.
00:06:51.000And that is when you start to see widespread transgenderism for our youth or men and female sports.
00:06:55.000Because if you do not have an agreed-upon thing of what is right, what is wrong, what is good, what is evil, what is just, what is unjust, what is holy, what is profane...
00:07:02.000And again, the first six books of Genesis lay this all out.
00:07:07.000The distinctions that keep us free are actually laid out and enumerated within the first six books of Genesis.
00:07:12.000Now, there is at times an under-emphasis when we talk about the gospel, talking about how God created the planet and the earth with natural laws.
00:07:21.000For us to be able to succeed, harmonize, flourish, and prosper.
00:07:49.000That otherwise would have went to biological women because biological men decided to play in that sport and we have to accommodate that.
00:07:57.000And this is a massive problem that is an outgrowth of the death of Christianity.
00:08:02.000So the case I want to make to you is that of course you should give your life to Christ because...
00:08:07.000It's true, and it's real, and Jesus was a real person who was killed and did rise from the dead.
00:08:13.000But even beyond that, we should also talk about the necessity of believing in God.
00:08:17.000What happens when a society gets too secular?
00:08:20.000Now, why does that matter to everyone in this room?
00:08:22.000It should break you out of your comfort zone to know that it actually does impact you and your children and your grandchildren if a society becomes less religious, if a society becomes less Christian, if a society becomes less...
00:08:37.000Be very careful what will actually replace it.
00:08:40.000Leo Strauss talked about this connection between reason and revelation, which is Athens and Jerusalem, which, of course, in Jerusalem we get the idea of the Hebrews, where we get this idea of a given law by our Creator.
00:08:50.000Reason is almost only what is talked about on college campuses.
00:08:53.000If you can't think it, if you can't prove it, it doesn't exist.
00:08:56.000What we as Christians actually acknowledge is that there's a lot of mysteries to life, things beyond even our intellectual or reason comprehension.
00:09:03.000And we are willing to acknowledge and say, hey, that very same God that created the heavens and the earth, Didn't give us the entire plan about everything.
00:09:12.000And reason unto itself is a death spiral for a civilization.
00:09:15.000Because eventually, you start reasoning your way into really, really bad decisions.
00:09:29.000If you only have revelation, then you don't have the West.
00:09:31.000If you don't have revelation, you don't have technological advancements.
00:09:34.000You don't have some of the most amazing medical advancements.
00:09:37.000We don't have the prosperity or the material wealth that we enjoy in the West that has largely pushed back against the dire guise of poverty we've seen across the planet.
00:09:46.000So this balance between the two is critically important.
00:09:50.000And so as we start to see, many in the younger generation say, I have no religious affiliation.
00:10:05.000And to worship is what you are aiming at.
00:10:07.000That's why I think you should aim at Jesus.
00:10:09.000What better way to aim your entire life at someone who tells you to care for the poor and love your neighbor as yourself and defeat a death?
00:10:17.000But if you say, well, I'm not religious.
00:10:18.000I just want to aim at whatever I want to aim at.
00:10:22.000Does that mean you're going to be the god of the flesh, the god of trying to get as drunk as I possibly can?
00:10:27.000And just a little bit of a warning, that is a miserable way to live.
00:10:30.000You know plenty of people probably that are in that cycle, that endless downturn, that down spiral of, I'm just going to do whatever the flesh tells me to do whenever I want to do it.
00:10:43.000We believe a better way to live as conservatives and as Christians is one that we want to glorify God in everything that we do, in all that we do.
00:10:50.000And that includes, by the way, political matters.
00:10:52.000You might say, Charlie, how does this inform your politics?
00:10:55.000Well, the Western tradition is what we are trying to fight for.
00:10:57.000The Western tradition is one that recognizes universal human equality.
00:11:01.000So think about how fundamental this is.
00:11:03.000You cannot get to this idea that all humans are created equal without a belief in a divine.
00:11:08.000If you just have reason and you believe in atheism, you cannot...
00:11:15.000You could say murder might hurt people, you could say murder might not feel good, but you can't say murder is wrong, because you have to eventually appeal to a moral standard above you.
00:11:27.000In so many different dimensions of the West, and my call to all of you that are Christians or center-right or conservatives understand the consequences of where this leads.
00:11:36.000At first, it will just be wokeism and secularism.
00:11:39.000It will be the craziest ideas imaginable.
00:11:41.000Ideas, by the way, that thankfully we beat at the ballot box back in November when presented to the American people.
00:11:52.000Because the woke movement, whatever it ends up calling itself in the future, it mimics religious maxims.
00:11:58.000It will have, whether it be the worship of nature or earth worshiping, or the cult of anti-racism, or this idea that the religion of scientism, remember we went through that entire thing that you must trust the experts and trust the scientists at all point?
00:12:28.000I don't think it's talked about enough for multiple reasons.
00:12:30.000I think Christianity gets a really, really bad rap.
00:12:32.000But you think about stuff that seems so self-evident.
00:12:35.000You should help a poor person when you see one.
00:12:37.000You should make sure that people are clothed.
00:12:39.000This is not normal thinking if you do not live in a Christian society that did not have this as an inheritance.
00:12:45.000You are an inheritor of a Christian way of thinking.
00:12:48.000And when you dismiss that, when you saw off the roots, you become cut flowers that are not able to grow because you are no longer anchored to what gave you life in the first place.
00:13:55.000That you have a right to free expression.
00:13:56.000That you have a right to be able to worship your Creator.
00:13:59.000That we're not going to do it by force, but you have to do it with your own agency.
00:14:02.000These ideas were grown out of the biblical worldview.
00:14:06.000That many, many people take for granted.
00:14:08.000But the ultimate authority, and I appeal to anybody that can find me a different book or a different way of thinking or a different philosophy that has been able to build something as great as America, and that's the final thing I'll say, is that there is so much unnecessary America bashing that happens, not on this campus.
00:14:25.000I've seen a lot of patriots here on this campus, but on many campuses across the country, which is, and my friend mentioned this earlier.
00:14:32.000You know you live in a great country when even those who hate it refuse to leave, except Rosie O'Donnell left, which is amazing.
00:15:16.000That we have a president that is signing an executive order, despite a judge stopping it, saying that you're not allowed to medically mutilate a 14-year-old under the guise of chemical castration.
00:15:27.000And I could go piece by piece and element by element.
00:15:31.000But politics is only an aftershock of what happens in the culture.
00:15:35.000And far too many Christians, if I may say, are a little bit passive about getting involved in the political.
00:15:41.000They'll say, well, Charlie, there is no evidence or there is no biblical example of getting involved in politics.
00:15:49.000Yes, if you remove Esther, Mordecai, Nehemiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Joseph, Moses.
00:15:55.000Yeah, then there's nothing political in the Bible.
00:15:57.000We as Christians are called to be counselors to the king.
00:16:00.000We are called to bring biblical truths into the public arena.
00:16:03.000As Christ our Lord said, to be salt and light.
00:16:06.000What do salt and light have in common?
00:16:08.000They change the environment that they come in contact with.
00:16:11.000You should try to make text A&M more Christ-like.
00:16:14.000You should try to fight for the unborn.
00:16:16.000You should try to fight that people save themselves from marriage.
00:16:19.000You should try to constantly try to make the unbelievers believe in Jesus to change the environment that you come in contact with.
00:16:25.000Mind you, Christ did not tell us to look more like the environment that we come in contact with.
00:16:30.000We're supposed to be the change agents.
00:16:32.000And that goes with your local city council, that goes with your state government, and that goes with your national government.
00:16:36.000As it says in Jeremiah 20, Demand the welfare of the nation that you are in because your welfare is tied to your nation's welfare.
00:16:43.000We are called to care about the peace of the country that we are in.
00:16:46.000Daniel fasted and prayed for the nation that he was in before he was thrown into the lion's den to contest for values that we so care about in the public square and in the public arena.
00:16:56.000And the failure to do that, if I may say so, is bad for everybody.
00:17:00.000And even an honest atheist, and I think I didn't quite get Bill Maher there, he was...
00:17:04.000Not exactly in agreement here, but it's a conversation worth continuing with him because I think he wants to get to this conclusion, which is this, which is that even an honest atheist might not believe in God, but can recognize and notice that a society that does not believe in God is bad for even atheists.
00:17:23.000And that is the necessity of believing in God is one that must be talked about more.
00:17:30.000Because the moral chaos and the moral confusion, at some point you have to discuss, what are you going to teach your kids?
00:17:59.000That we can, you know, basically judge the same thing.
00:18:03.000That we can have the same idea of what we are appealing to.
00:18:07.000The final point I'll make is this, and then we'll open it up for some questions, is that we as Christians, I think, at this moment in time, must be unafraid.
00:18:16.000To not just share our faith, but to see where our faith overlays with political engagement and involvement.
00:18:22.000And understand, politics is not the most important thing.
00:18:44.000For people that, quite honestly, want to be able to get ahead.
00:18:48.000And at its core and at its foundation, we as Christians should not be saying, oh, you know, looks like the rapture is coming this next Thursday.
00:19:57.000Christ explicitly effuses the idea of nations, of borders, of boundaries of a nation, and it creates moral chaos, not to mention the terrible exploitation of women and children that happened on the southern border over the last four years of sex trafficking, all the associated things.
00:20:12.000And so it is tempting as Christians, and you're here tonight to your great credit, but I want to reinforce this.
00:20:18.000There'll be moments where people will tell you, no, no, no, no, stop being political, just be a Christian.
00:20:24.000You should say, you know what, I'm being biblical.
00:20:40.000Is the alternative, just like we should retreat from the public square, run to the hills, and just kind of live in our own homeschool communities, which I support, by the way.
00:20:48.000To raise children, but have, I love homeschooling, but to have no contact with the outside world.
00:21:15.000The word is ekklesia, which literally means build my public gathering place, build my civic center of meeting.
00:21:22.000No matter how you interpret it, we can all agree that we should try to bring the truths of the scriptures to every domain and dimension imaginable.
00:21:30.000We should not force it upon people, but that's the final thing, is that although you might believe we have separation of church and state, a little more complicated than that, nobody believes.
00:21:39.000Including Bill Maher, to his credit, we have separation of morality and state.
00:21:44.000And therefore, it begs the question, by what standard do you say that is good?
00:21:48.000By what standard do you say that is evil?
00:21:50.000We have the answer that has been unchanged.
00:21:53.000We believe it's breathed out of the scriptures, and as true today as it was 2,000 years ago, the liberals have no alternative, and I encourage all of us that are believers to keep on bringing that into the public square for the remainder of our life.
00:22:07.000We're honored to be partnering with the Alan Jackson Ministries, and today I want to point you to their podcast.
00:22:11.000It's called Culture and Christianity, the Alan Jackson Podcast.
00:22:15.000What makes it unique is Pastor Alan's biblical perspective.
00:22:18.000He takes the truth from the Bible and applies it to issues that we're facing today.
00:22:22.000gender confusion, abortion, immigration, Doge, Trump, and the White House.
00:24:44.000If you're stranded on a deserted island, you can reason that you want that person to be very productive, not a complainer, and have done something in their life.
00:27:44.000And I'm just so humbled that I get to live to see the fruit of the last 13 years of my relentless traveling around the country and speaking to very small crowds.
00:27:55.000Just to give some idea, though, like, people say, you know, Charlie, I want to do what you do.
00:28:08.000I'm a million miler in United, in Delta, in American.
00:28:11.000I know every possible hotel and airport combination imaginable.
00:28:15.000I didn't pay myself for the first five years, and it was very, very hard to break out of, hey, other Republicans, conservatives don't want you to succeed.
00:28:23.000And so my why was constantly, of course, the ultimate aim of Christ, but...
00:28:28.000I believe deep down that there was untapped conservative potential on these college campuses.
00:28:34.000That there was massive opportunity and really big upside.
00:28:38.000And boy, this last November, Donald Trump won the youth vote in Michigan.
00:28:41.000Donald Trump won the youth vote in Texas.
00:29:22.000So, the argument is this, is that Jesus was a refugee, and therefore we wouldn't let him in.
00:29:27.000First of all, Jesus actually was not technically a refugee.
00:29:30.000He was actually going to two parts of the Roman Empire.
00:29:33.000Just, we want to be, like, hyper-technical and weird Bible nerdy.
00:29:36.000Egypt was actually under Roman jurisdiction, so he was not technically a refugee.
00:29:40.000But, like, I guess the argument is that because we want to put our own citizens first and have closed borders, we wouldn't let Christ our Lord.
00:29:59.000But what this is fundamentally is an attempt to manipulate us, and it's an attempt to be so theologically sloppy in so many different ways, it's hard to even know where to begin.
00:30:13.000And what they're implying is that there's a divine character amongst the tens of millions of people.
00:30:25.000So I was going to tie it to the fact that there were people that are against Jesus.
00:30:29.000Not everyone was for him, including Jews and Romans.
00:30:32.000But basically what I'm trying to say is that there are, compared to the southern border, because you know it affects us, especially here in Texas, that there are good people coming in.
00:30:48.000I know that there's bad people being let in, but there's also good people letting in, and I just think everyone should have an equal opportunity to...
00:31:10.000And right now, we've completely diluted that over the last couple of years.
00:31:13.000And if and when we have immigration, there should be highly qualified people who love America and want to assimilate to our country.
00:31:20.000And so, of course, when you let 14 million people in, you're going to allow some people in that are great and some people that are not so great.
00:31:30.000What is true in the micro can be true in the macro, and in this case it's correct.
00:31:34.000Our country is a home, really, for people in it.
00:31:37.000We don't have open borders at your home.
00:31:39.000You don't have open borders in your dorm room.
00:31:42.000And so I guess I would say, why should our country have open borders if we don't do it on the micro?
00:31:47.000And I would say this, that it actually, as we as Christians, it's much harder to love our neighbor.
00:31:53.000If all of a sudden we're allowing in tens of millions of people, we have no idea who they are, and we have actually forgotten the neighbors that were here.
00:32:01.000Understand that there are tens of millions of forgotten Americans of all different skin colors that have been forgotten in this country, and President Trump's run to office and successful election was about basically saying we want to put the American citizenry first.
00:32:15.000It's more about loving American citizens, not about hating foreigners.
00:32:32.000I mean, we're a country built on foreigners, and I just think it's a matter of when you were born and where you were born if you get the liberties that you get.
00:32:40.000Well, yeah, I mean, look at the scripture.
00:32:42.000By the way, equally in Deuteronomy, Moses warns about having mass migration because the migrants will become your masters, just so we're correct.
00:32:57.000We're not saying, okay, fine, go back to your country of origin.
00:33:00.000But even when they are legally here, there's still restrictions put in place that I believe are unfair.
00:33:05.000For example, my roommate back home, I talked to her.
00:33:08.000She has a lot of family that have immigrated here legally.
00:33:11.000For example, her uncle has been here for 20-plus years, but he's not legally allowed to go home for the fear that he might not be able to come back.
00:34:09.000And if you don't have one of these things, you cannot do the next one.
00:34:13.000Then after you love your family and take care of your family, you love your community.
00:34:17.000Then you love your state and love your nation and so on and so forth.
00:34:20.000We've done a very, very bad job of the ordered loves.
00:34:23.000In fact, I think we have not taken care of our neighbor as well at all.
00:34:27.000We have tons of vets in this country that are treated terribly.
00:34:31.000We have a lot of people that have seen their jobs shipped overseas.
00:34:36.000And fundamentally, you need to have a country that first loves its citizens.
00:34:41.000And then, once we generally have our act together, we can have a compassionate immigration system, one that is strictly based in merit to let other people into the country.
00:34:51.000And I would also just say, allowing 14 million people to bum-rush into America has not been good for anybody.
00:35:00.000It's not good for native-born Americans.
00:35:03.000And finally, the last point that I'll make on this is that...
00:35:08.000When a government ceases to understand that it exists first for its own people and not from the people of the other country, you actually don't have a government.
00:35:51.000And the U.S. spends $21 billion, and that's a conservative estimate, on Medicare and Medicaid payouts to crash victims.
00:35:59.000But they only spend $4 billion to actually solve the transportation safety problem.
00:36:03.000On top of that, the $4 billion that they are spending is being wasted because over the last 15 years, from 2010 on, an additional 1,000 people are dying in traffic crashes than the year before on average.
00:36:18.000So my question for you is, who do you know that can actually get to the root of this problem and solve it?
00:36:25.000I mean, I know a lot of people, but that's not the question.
00:36:27.000But I mean, are you advocating for driverless cars?
00:36:30.000No, my question, I actually work in a company that helps solve this problem, but I cannot get to the right people on the USDOT side.
00:36:58.000I asked you, but they say driverless cars would drop auto fatalities by 90%.
00:37:03.000I have a lot of moral problems with driverless cars, and it feels a little too totalitarian to me that I'm not able to control my vehicle when someone else is in it, but that's a separate issue.
00:37:12.000But I do see the potential upside, but happy to...
00:37:15.000How would you say, just really quick, we could best, let's say, stem the increase of traffic fatalities?
00:37:22.000I mean, there's a lot of factors, right?
00:37:25.000I could spend an hour on this, but the short of it is 98% of crashes are caused by humans.
00:39:25.000Taking away and advocating for reducing welfare and advocating for kids not having free and reduced lunches and not wanting to expand that program, that kind of seems antithetical to the whole message of Jesus, in my opinion.
00:40:14.000And we have to ask the question, like, has welfare, since we've started this project in the 60s, good intentions, made us a better country?
00:40:22.000So, number one, I think a vast majority of what the state does, not the state of Texas, but the state, should and can be done by churches and local municipalities.
00:40:32.000I fully agree that we should help everyone in need.
00:40:36.000But the first cause to do that should be private charities and churches, not the government.
00:40:41.000We should not outsource our compassion.
00:41:00.000Europe basically has shrunk the church where it is just a husk of its former self, and it's basically to do a couple services, and to do almost very little charity.
00:41:10.000And the reason being is because the government is so big.
00:41:13.000And they'll just say, oh, the government will provide the health care and the government will provide this and that.
00:41:17.000So the church doesn't feel compelled to do that.
00:41:19.000Said differently, the bigger the government, the smaller the church.
00:41:22.000So when you grow government, your church becomes small.
00:41:24.000We want a big church and a small government.
00:41:26.000We want the church to be more involved, more active.
00:41:29.000And so if I were just, and I think we both want to help people.
00:41:32.000So hypothetically, would I rather have somebody go to a church to go get fed or rather get food stamps?
00:43:02.000We all fall short of the glory of God when we try to elect political leaders.
00:43:05.000You're not trying to have a church elder board elected.
00:43:07.000You want to be president of the United States.
00:43:08.000Are there examples of people in the scriptures that might be a little rough around the edges, that might be, let's just say, a little bit difficult to understand, that were also considered holy or good or faithful?
00:43:20.000Well, one I would posit to you, as a man who made the Hall of Faith in the book of Hebrews, is a guy who also had great hair, Samson.
00:43:28.000Donald Trump and Samson, both great hair.
00:43:30.000Samson was literally in a prostitute's bed when the Spirit of the Lord came upon him and told him to basically go to war for the people of Israel because they were not willing to fight for themselves.
00:43:39.000Took a jaw of a donkey and go and killed a bunch of Philistines.
00:43:42.000And with Samson, he was ready, he was willing, he was able.
00:43:45.000So, look, of course, Donald Trump has faults.
00:43:47.000But I will say this, that to have a president...
00:43:50.000That does things in advancement of our value system, not just says things.
00:43:55.000I would consider it far better for those of us as Christians than, and I'm going to make some enemies here, than somebody like George W. Bush, who said all the right stuff, but he never spoke at the March for Life, and gave us questionable Supreme Court justices, and gave us, unfortunately, a very reckless foreign war in Iraq that caused a lot of unjust human suffering.
00:44:15.000So the question is, and it's something to think about.
00:44:19.000Would you rather, let's say it's George W. Bush or Donald Trump.
00:44:24.000You know, he's more Christ-like in that presentation way.
00:44:28.000But how he governed was actually, I would say, oppositional to what I would want to say.
00:44:33.000I guess I just also put a lot of value on the way that you present things and the way that you make people feel with the words you say.
00:44:41.000The Bible talks about speaking life with your words, and I feel like Donald Trump often does not speak life with his words.
00:44:46.000And I get your point, like it's all about action, like actions speak louder than words.
00:44:50.000Words matter, but I think actions matter more.
00:44:51.000But action speak louder than words isn't biblical, which kind of is the, like that doesn't represent what you feel like morality and the way that countries should be dictated.
00:45:17.000But I would argue the Bible actually does have a heavy emphasis on action, on doing good and helping the poor and healing the sick, not just words.
00:47:19.000What have I said that makes you feel that way?
00:47:21.000When you mentioned how DEI is only just putting people of color and marginalized groups in spaces, even if they're not so-and-so qualified.
00:47:44.000It's about making people who are of different skin colors have the same outcome.
00:47:48.000Regardless whether or not they are qualified.
00:47:50.000The best example we have of this is the Students for Fair Admission, Harvard Supreme Court case, where black students, they did not, literally, they could have a SAT score 300 points lesser than the Asian equivalent and still get into Harvard.
00:48:05.000I believe when you're hiring for an organization, or for a company, or for whatever you are doing, you should prioritize merit and character, and race should mean nothing.
00:48:14.000We should build around things that matter and not things that don't matter.
00:48:19.000You have to also take into the fact that black people have only been able to completely and completely legally be able to make profit for themselves for around 60 years.
00:48:57.000So are you a living example that all that's a bunch of nonsense and you can just act good and behave well and succeed?
00:49:03.000But there's also living examples of the exact opposite.
00:49:06.000If you look in the impoverished neighborhoods in certain parts of Chicago or St. Louis, there's black communities being Thrown aside because they're not getting education.
00:52:49.000It's bad for everyone who listens to it.
00:52:51.000The point being is that black youth, as they are being raised, their role models are largely not glorifying staying with one woman, getting married, going to church.
00:53:03.000And if you're wrong, show me the black role models that are doing that.
00:53:06.000There might be a couple I could think of, maybe.
00:53:09.000But if it's about culture, you're right.
00:53:10.000The internal black culture has collapsed the last 60 years.
00:54:25.000Did it improve material worth of black America?
00:54:29.000So, I mean, and we actually do know where it went, actually.
00:54:32.000And so, but going back to your main contention, when you practice DEI, because that was your main point, right, you are rewarding bad culture.
00:56:55.000You are here in the wealthiest country ever at an amazing university.
00:57:00.000With all the opportunity imaginable in front of you.
00:57:03.000And all you want to do is look backwards at everything that prevented you when you are a glaring example that there is no systemic racism and you can actually achieve your wildest dreams.
00:57:14.000I'm not the only black person who exists out there.
00:57:16.000There's so many people who this culture is affecting to this day.
00:57:20.000Do you know black Americans are the richest black people on earth?
00:59:02.000This is the point, is that I don't believe you because now you resort back to a race hoax to make it seem as if the white kids on this campus are like racist and terrible.
01:00:08.000Black people are allowed to talk about black culture in a way that white culture cannot.
01:00:12.000For example, black people can come up and say that there's a baby mama problem in black America, and white people are not allowed to say that.
01:00:24.000Black people are allowed to say that there is a systemic fraud issue.
01:00:28.000Within the PP loan application of black America, black people are much easier to be able to say that black individuals, despite being 13% of the American population, commit 55% of the murders.
01:00:38.000If most white people say that at a job, they would get fired for being a racist.
01:00:41.000I don't care because I say whatever I want.
01:00:44.000Have much more intellectual public freedom than white people do.
01:00:48.000If a white person were to come up and say, you know, black America really needs to get its act together and stop sleeping around all the time and needs to actually have enough.
01:01:15.000And rap artists and athletes and people at the top level of black society that refuse to ever challenge the core rot in black America, which is that they are allowing degeneracy and hedonism to eat the soul of what once was a beautiful black culture, and instead they go around saying it's the boogeyman of racism, the white man is out to get you, and the result is black America is doing worse than it was in the 1960s.
01:03:31.000We are the least racist country ever to exist.
01:03:33.000We go out of our way not to be called the R-word, to demonstrate that we aren't racist, to show to people that I actually have compassion for others and that I want to try to help.
01:03:42.000You know, people of different skin color.
01:03:44.000But at its fundamental core, I have to go back to this.
01:03:47.000I don't actually think skin color matters that much.
01:06:18.000Our belief system is that you come down to the most foundational family unit.
01:06:22.000And when that breaks down so severely, don't be shocked if that group, when it acts that way, stays in poverty over a longer period of time.
01:06:30.000Asians are incredibly loyally married.
01:06:32.000It's one of the reasons why Asian Americans do so well in this country.
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01:08:14.000My name is Malcolm, and I guess my question to you today is, when did systemic racism end, and what is your definition of systemic racism?
01:08:23.000Systemic racism is a law on the books that prohibits an individual from doing something based on their race.
01:08:28.000It largely ended with the Equal Rights Amendment and the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s.
01:08:32.000Okay, and so do you think that it just ended right then and there, and there's no lingering effects of that that could...
01:08:39.000You know, kind of explain some of the disparities we see today?
01:08:42.000If the hypothesis of lingering intergenerational 60-plus year effects are true, then you must tell me how Jews have done so materially well post-Holocaust, despite everything being taken from them.
01:08:53.000Well, I don't think that's a one-to-one comparison.
01:11:37.000If you distill it down based on the quality of attorney they had based on their income level, it just so happens a lot of black Americans had a lower income level.
01:12:18.000Would you prefer a country that prioritizes race or one that prioritizes merit?
01:12:24.000I think we should have a country that prioritizes merit, and I think we need to look at why some races are seen as less merited than others.
01:12:32.000Okay, so again, just to go back to it, I can give you another example.
01:13:19.000Okay, what do you think my hypothesis is?
01:13:22.000Your hypothesis is one of intergenerational struggle that what has happened 60 years ago has direct impact to the material well-being of what happens today.
01:13:59.000You know, what he had to do to get where he is and for me to do what I did to get here as well.
01:14:04.000Okay, but you've got to break that down, though.
01:14:07.000Do you want me to explain, like, my whole family's history of how we...
01:14:10.000Not necessarily, no, but at some point you have to say, huh, despite all the bad stuff happening to us, we still could have made good choices and we would have flourished.
01:14:18.000Well, I think you can make good choices and I think that you should also help people make good choices because I don't see why we shouldn't.
01:14:24.000No, we should help people make good choices.
01:14:46.000It means diversity, equity, and inclusion.
01:14:47.000And I will explain what's wrong with inclusion.
01:14:50.000What's so evil about that word that you don't like it?
01:14:53.000Okay, well, in practice, not the word itself, this is a forced corporate program or college program, however you want to put it, that is putting people in positions that have less...
01:18:21.000I think science proves that God is true.
01:18:23.000I think the more that we study the human genome, the more that we map DNA, the more that we understand the miraculous improbability of our existence.
01:18:29.000We're talking about verbiage here a second ago.
01:18:31.000Let's just talk about how science doesn't prove God.
01:21:47.000When the collective gets things wrong, then maybe we shouldn't appeal to the collective because the collective has given us really evil things over the years.
01:21:58.000Instead, we should appeal to something higher than us, something greater.
01:22:03.000Has Christianity ever led to anything evil?
01:23:34.000No, I'm just saying you should take what he takes more seriously, but I do want to get down more fundamentally.
01:23:39.000In the 20th century, we saw mass murder in China, in Vietnam, in the Soviet Union, in Nazi Germany, all because they believed the collective morality is correct.
01:23:47.000Does any of that make you have pause that maybe we should appeal to something greater?
01:23:50.000You're also describing places where they had power consolidated at the top.
01:23:55.000Well, okay, because the people largely gave it to them, right?
01:24:21.000If today all of a sudden there was an up or down vote and people want to bring back, you know, let's just say indentured servitude, would the collective be wrong?
01:24:29.000Probably, and I would speak against that too.
01:24:30.000By what definition of wrong are you appealing to?
01:24:33.000My own sense of morality that's not derived from religion.
01:24:35.000See, this is where you get this, now the final revealing.
01:27:10.000I think it's a good thing we teach people to restrain their tongues.
01:27:13.000I think it's a good thing for self-control.
01:27:15.000I think it's a good thing that we teach that your words really matter and that you shouldn't just say whatever you want to say whenever you want to say it.
01:31:14.000My question is about birthright citizenship.
01:31:21.000Me and my brother, I might be a little biased since we're both citizens by birthright citizenship, but I know that you are anti-birthright citizenship.
01:31:28.000And I was wondering if you could clarify on...
01:31:33.000Yeah, I mean, look, nothing against you guys.
01:31:35.000I'm glad you're here, and this is not an indictment of every individual.
01:31:38.000But generally, let me take the most extreme case that happens, and maybe we can find some agreement.
01:31:43.000There are cases of tens of thousands of times, sometimes a year, of pregnant women from Asia who board flights seven months pregnant.
01:31:50.000They land and have babies, and those kids become U.S. citizens.
01:31:53.000I think we both agree that's egregious, right?
01:31:57.000It's literally you come here, you give birth in a San Francisco hospital, and you get basically your citizenship card.
01:32:06.000So I believe that very simply, that citizenship, if you are not yourself a citizen, just like it is in almost every industrialized country in the world, citizenship shall not automatically be granted to your children.
01:32:18.000My parents, they were here through a visa.
01:32:21.000Is that, like, change, like, the situation?
01:32:23.000No, but I think that's a good question.
01:32:26.000You should have been given some protected status of, you know, a visa child waiver or whatever.
01:32:31.000I don't think you should have had no status whatsoever, but you should have had some way to be here, have documentation, so on and so forth.
01:33:51.000Stock markets are first and foremost...
01:33:55.000We fully acknowledge that President Trump's tariff plan is one that is an experiment that people voted for.
01:34:06.000And so we believe, we want to see this through, we believe that the economy, not just being a stock market, is very important to fix and heal.
01:34:15.000We're about to get, and I think it's important, we're about to get a massive tax bill of no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, no tax on social security.
01:34:24.000And we believe that coupled with better trade deals, I'm not going to make any economic predictions.
01:34:30.000Wait, let's talk about those new economic trade deals.