00:01:31.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:39.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:34.000Several people over the weekend, the snobby center-right people that think they're conservative, that want to get rid of Trump, they say, read the indictment.
00:03:03.000The government got all their pieces of paper back.
00:03:06.000Did Donald Trump sell the secrets to the enemy?
00:03:09.000Did Donald Trump use this information as a way to get money to the Trump Foundation?
00:03:15.000Did Donald Trump smash a bunch of phones and delete a bunch of emails or obstruct justice?
00:03:21.000No, they got all their documents back.
00:03:23.000This is a paperwork dispute, literally.
00:03:26.000Now, the Presidential Records Act does not have a criminal component to it.
00:03:29.000So they had to broaden this to the Espionage Act, which was brought forward by Woodrow Wilson.
00:03:36.000This is a big problem with our criminal code, is that they go way backwards into the criminal code of antiquated laws that were written for a different time.
00:03:45.000By the way, the Espionage Act never should have been passed.
00:03:47.000It was used to put nearly 2,000 political dissidents under Woodrow Wilson in jail.
00:03:52.000They did this with the Foreign Agent Registration Act, which was in 1930s anti-Nazi law that was used potentially against Michael Flynn and others.
00:04:02.000So they resurrect these old laws that would never be used against Democrats to go after Republicans and people on the center right that they don't like, threats to the regime.
00:04:56.000I'll also summarize it so you don't have to.
00:04:59.000It's just beyond shocking that they were able to pierce the attorney-client privilege veil to get Trump's own attorneys to testify against him.
00:05:07.000It's such a ridiculous threshold to be able to get to.
00:05:12.000Of course, all this was built on the prerequisite of raiding Mar-a-Lago and then having his attorneys testify against him.
00:05:21.000So we'll get into all the details of this.
00:05:24.000But I want to have a different approach to begin today.
00:05:26.000Because it seems as if on most right-wing media and conservatives, they are focused on the negatives of this.
00:05:33.000Wow, this is going to be really tough and he might have to stand trial and all this.
00:05:36.000I'm a big believer, and this is the attitude that I've brought every single day to Turning Point USA.
00:05:41.000This is the attitude we have on this show.
00:05:42.000It's the attitude that has built Donald Trump's business empire and made him president of the United States, is that you have a choice in life.
00:05:51.000There's very few things you are able to completely control.
00:05:54.000One of the things you are able to control is your attitude towards less than desirable circumstances.
00:06:35.000His entire career, he has used literal leverage and metaphorical leverage against people who wished him harm.
00:06:41.000When he owed a bunch of money to the banks, he got all the banks in the room and he said, I'm too big to default on.
00:06:46.000You're going to have to do a deal with me.
00:06:47.000When Donald Trump saw that Woolman Rink was going in the wrong direction, he intervened and used it to his advantage to save Woolman Rink and get the project done very quickly.
00:06:58.000He did that with the convention center.
00:07:01.000He did it with the formerly Commodore Hotel and turned it into Hyatt Hotel.
00:07:05.000His whole life, and he wrote about this in the Art of the Deal, and I encourage you to read it because he's now in the highest stakes situation.
00:08:01.000It's because he embraces a certain attitude that is proven to be successful.
00:08:08.000It is not pathological positive thinking.
00:08:13.000It is, I'm going to choose an attitude to use whatever might be dealt to me as negative and turn it into a positive.
00:08:22.000Mind you, most humanity thinks this is insane.
00:08:27.000Most people believe that the circumstances that are less than desirable that are dealt to them is nothing but a negative.
00:08:33.000But Donald Trump embraces a contrarian view of life that has proven to be very successful.
00:08:40.000For example, the one instance that was supposed to be the deathblow.
00:08:44.000If you think this indictment is big and all the rankering, let me take you back in time.
00:08:51.000Let's go back into the time machine to something I lived through, something that was supposed to end his campaign, something that was supposed to cripple him, something that quite honestly was met with more bipartisan injury, insults, the Billy Bush tape.
00:09:09.000The Billy Bush tape was supposed to be the end of Donald J. Trump.
00:09:15.000We forget because it was so many years ago, but it was across the board.
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00:11:20.000So what positives could potentially come out of this?
00:11:24.000Well, again, I just want to reiterate, Donald Trump has built a whole career, having his back against the wall, having to declare bankruptcy, and using it to his advantage.
00:12:20.000And he said, My purpose will now be surviving so that I can write a book about this experience to educate millions and millions of other people.
00:12:33.000You see, the rest of the world and largely the secular world and even some of the religious world, but the secular world, is they think life happens to you.
00:12:43.000That you're nothing more than a recipient of the cause and effect of everything around you and you are helpless.
00:12:51.000What built the West is a different belief is that, yes, life can happen to you, but largely, life is the attitude you present to the rest of the world.
00:13:04.000Victor Frankl called this logo therapy.
00:13:07.000And I just want to push back on some of the overly negative sentiments that I'm hearing from people.
00:14:04.000Back on April 4th, when those charges against Donald Trump in Manhattan were first unveiled, Donald Trump was leading Ron DeSantis, his closest rival, by about 20 points.
00:14:13.000Now, you fast forward two months to this weekend, Donald Trump is leading DeSantis by 30 points plus.
00:14:20.000For those who are saying that Donald Trump is done politically as a result of facing criminal charges, there's just no evidence of that yet.
00:15:10.000Well, I agree they should just seize on it differently.
00:15:12.000They should actually get parallel with Trump and in harmony with Trump as he is persecuted by an unelected, out-of-control Department of Justice, rogue Marxist prosecutor.
00:15:23.000That is actually, they should use it to their personal advantage if they want to become nominee, but they're getting bad advice from consultants who hate Trump so much they can't see straight.
00:15:32.000But I see tons of positives, not just for Trump, but to potentially for the country.
00:15:37.000And you have to be clear, you can't talk yourself into delusion, but at the same time, you have to deal in reality.
00:15:44.000This is a crummy, civilizational altering garbage indictment.
00:16:03.000Or we can try to do the process, do the work of the deliberate effort of what good can come out of this.
00:16:12.000And in fact, I think a lot of good can come out of this if we so choose to find the good out of this.
00:16:18.000Not just good for Trump, but good for the Republican Party and good for even the country.
00:16:24.000Is it possible that they overshot the target, that they overcharge, that they allowed themselves to be filled with the very passion that they're supposed to keep tempered?
00:16:34.000Is it possible the government is going to do something that quote unquote backfires, but it takes intentional attitude adjustments?
00:16:42.000And we're going to try to set the tone here on the Charlie Kirk show.
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00:19:09.000What are the positives that we can gather from the Trump indictment?
00:19:15.000Again, we're going to have some great legal minds to go through just the silliness of all this.
00:19:19.000And I have to just say the great one, Mark Levin, he is built for moments like this.
00:19:24.000Former chief of staff to attorney general, he has fought in one cases in court.
00:19:28.000When Mark all of a sudden starts talking about stuff, I just, I am an astute listener like many of you.
00:19:35.000What are the positives that can come out of this?
00:19:38.000Number one, it is obvious that Donald Trump is so strong, such a threat, potentially so popular that they must deploy every extra constitutional measure possible.
00:19:49.000It is also true that they're afraid that they cannot pull off 2020 again.
00:19:55.0002020 was lightning in a bottle, and so many Republicans fell for it.
00:20:00.000And I think President Donald Trump was the first one to tell you that he should have put Fauci on the sidelines, not let Burks there.
00:20:07.000But they used the fake pagan religion of scientism, the fear of death, to over-exaggerate COVID, lock down the country, mask us up, make us feel unfamiliar with one another, put forward an idea pathogen of racial arson, then have Mark Zuckerberg come in with a bunch of money for drop boxes.
00:20:29.000They censored their political opponents.
00:20:33.000I mean, 2020 was quote unquote the masterclass in deep state private companies, public health measures, public health measures, all at once, working in harmony.
00:20:44.000And even with all of that, they were barely able to displace Donald Trump from power.
00:21:10.000There's a fear in the unelected, the administrative state, that they will be unable to replicate the sequence of events that happened in 2024.
00:21:21.000Some of you are emailing us, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:21:24.000Or are they going to deploy another virus and all this?
00:21:46.0002016, they did some stuff with Peter Strzokzhuk Smirk, Russia.
00:21:50.000They thought Billy Bush was going to be it.
00:21:54.000The FBI, the Department of Justice, Merrick Garland, who was supposed to be a Supreme Court justice, all these craven, power-hungry Democrats like Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden and Chuck Hugh Schumer thought it was going to be an easy landing.
00:22:32.000And yes, Donald Trump will likely be indicted in Georgia, and then he'll likely be indicted on January 6th stuff.
00:22:37.000Do you see they're trying to increase the severity in each one of these, and I put severity in quotes, of each one of these indictments.
00:22:45.000First, you start with some stupid thing with Stormy Daniels that no one even knows what he's indicted for, paperwork stuff.
00:22:50.000And then you have for document retention stuff.
00:22:52.000And then they're going to go with Fannie Willis in Georgia.
00:22:54.000And then finally, they think they're going to have the quote unquote death blow with January 6th type stuff, like stuff that is basically sisters or cousins to quote unquote insurrection.
00:23:06.000So they can finally label him as an insurrectionist.
00:23:08.000The first positive, though, is that it is now a fact.
00:23:13.000It is now something that we can say the most powerful elite people in our government believe that there is a chance Donald Trump can win the presidency again.
00:23:28.000The way they're acting is out of absolute desperation.
00:23:32.000They're also acting as if we are not going to, We're not going to leave anything on the table.
00:23:39.000We are going to go all out and we're going to go out early.
00:23:42.000The second positive that I can take away immediately is that if Donald Trump handles this in a certain way, we can get back to 2016 energy.
00:23:52.000Donald Trump, after the Billy Bush tapes, ignored all of the advice of the people around him.
00:23:59.000He said, in his Trumpian way, forget you.
00:24:03.000There is a different word that he used with the same first letter, but let's just say, forget you.
00:24:10.000All the advice to Trump was roll over and die.
00:24:32.000And it's so unusual because DC, especially Republican consultants and Republican advisors, are so weak.
00:24:40.000They're so low testosterone that you have this alpha male that comes in who's built businesses and dealt with investigations and had to fight New York City Hall for 30 years and had to buy the air rights to Trump Tower over Tiffany.
00:25:01.000And again, only someone with those kind of multiple decades of scars and attacks and experience would have been able a month out from the election just to say, forget you.
00:26:06.000In the state of Georgia and in the state of Wisconsin and the state of Pennsylvania and Michigan, all states that he won in 2016, he did better with blacks than traditional Republican candidates did, largely because of that message.
00:26:25.000And Trump's like, okay, you guys have barely crossed the precipice of 2% support in the black community.
00:26:31.000I'm probably not going to listen to you.
00:26:32.000So Donald Trump trusted his instincts and said it clearly once Donald Trump was unshackled, when Donald Trump was no longer controlled.
00:26:44.000In fact, he used the Billy Bush tape as an ability to be free of bad advice and to trust his instincts and talk to the American people directly.
00:27:00.000If Donald Trump goes back to that 2016 energy and says, forget you and forget you and your talking points and stop, I personally don't like Donald Trump on a teleprompter.
00:27:19.000I want him to do his stand-up town hall type thing and talks directly with the American people.
00:27:26.000I think teleprompter Trump is proven to be not successful nearly as much as Donald Trump in Waffle House, Donald Trump in McDonald's, Donald Trump talking directly to voters in East Palestine.
00:27:40.000Donald Trump buying pizza for everybody.
00:27:45.000The guy knows how to communicate with people.
00:27:47.000And I'm not going to say any names, but some of the other people running for the presidency, holy moly, they don't know how to do retail politics.
00:27:54.000I'm looking at these videos and I'm cringing and I say, okay, that's not going to work, especially in Iowa.
00:28:01.000You can have you guess who I'm talking about.
00:28:04.000The third positive that comes to mind, which is probably the most important, and this one will be the most difficult for President Donald Trump because he's going to want to make this about him.
00:28:15.000And if I could make some advice, tell someone, I'm going to see Donald Trump in a couple of weeks.
00:28:20.000I'll say everything public that I say private, which is please try your best to make the indictments less about you, even though it is about you, and make it about a broad-based indictment of the administrative state.
00:28:34.000Make it philosophical as much as you can, because President Trump believes this 100%.
00:28:40.000They're putting the Constitution on trial.
00:28:42.000They're putting our traditions on trial.
00:28:44.000They're putting the idea of consent of the governed on trial.
00:28:48.000Use this as a venue, albeit a frustrating and unprecedented venue, to articulate a 100-year slow-motion slide, which was brought to you by Woodrow Wilson with the birth of the administrative state.
00:29:05.000Basically saying, I'm under indictment by the deep state because they know our movement has already indicted them.
00:29:15.000Donald Trump has an opportunity to expose and to bring to light a group of people, an organization, a community that likes to operate in the shadows.
00:29:28.000The same group of people that Dwight D. Eisenhower warned us about.
00:29:32.000The same people that, according to RFK, killed JFK.
00:29:36.000The same people that wanted Richard Nixon gone.
00:29:41.000The same people that have worked in treacherous subterranean ways post-World War II in the J. Edgar Hoover model of we're in charge, you're not in charge.
00:29:50.000Donald Trump now has a once in a century opportunity to stare them down and offer a referendum on the administrative state.
00:30:04.000But if anyone can do it, Donald Trump can.
00:30:10.000You know, I was asked by somebody in the media, Charlie, and they actually agreed with me, this member of the media, that Trump is going to win the nomination.
00:30:18.000They said, but to the uninitiated, how do you explain Donald Trump's appeal to the Republican base?
00:30:25.000Because this is how most people in the liberal media understand it.
00:30:30.000And I just, this is a great picture here to kind of give an idea, and then I'll explain it away.
00:30:36.000Again, this is just such full of lies, and it's just so dishonest.
00:30:40.000It's Joe Scarborough screaming into the camera like a crazy person.
00:30:57.000People who actually give a damn about a president of the United States who steals nuclear secrets and then lies about it to the FBI and then lies about it when the FBI tries to retrieve nuclear secrets.
00:31:20.000We are the majority, and we will stay the majority as long as these insurrectionists, weirdos, and freaks continue to say it's okay for Donald Trump to do whatever he wants to do.
00:31:34.000Yeah, so he's calling you an insurrectionist, a weirdo, and a freak from MSNBC.
00:31:38.000That should be considered a compliment.
00:31:40.000So, Joe Scarborough's really becoming a caricature of himself.
00:31:44.000But Scarborough talking about this is informative because that's how the regime media thinks about it.
00:31:51.000First of all, let's just go through stealing nuclear secrets as if Donald Trump did a mission impossible type suspension from the ceiling to avoid trying to trigger an alarm and had to like pick a lock and take out nuclear secrets.
00:32:23.000And quite honestly, they got every single document returned.
00:32:26.000I don't want to hear the bloviation or the lecturing about paperwork stuff while our country is being invaded.
00:32:33.000We are running trillion-dollar deficits.
00:32:35.000We have 110,000 people drug overdosing.
00:32:39.000And I have to worry about the criminalization of paperwork, the criminalization of paperwork in boxes.
00:32:46.000While Hillary Clinton deletes emails and Bill Clinton is on the Lita Express with children, Hillary Clinton is laundering money from foreign countries.
00:32:54.000We have an outright crook as president of the United States, but I have to go get angry about paperwork.
00:33:00.000And some conservatives, by the way, oh, these are very serious charges.
00:33:13.000But let me get back to something I was, the point I was trying to make.
00:33:17.000For the uninitiated, the people that say, how could Donald Trump be more popular after this?
00:33:23.000It's because the Republican base, for better or for worse, I believe for better, and one of our team members thinks there's some trouble with this, but I think it's actually good.
00:33:32.000They see the entire administrative state against them.
00:33:35.000And they see this private-public partnership, this cabal and this cartel that have been fused together, that have gone through this merger, that it's been Deloitte and it's been McKinsey working with the Department of Commerce.
00:33:49.000It has been Google working with the FTC to crush the ordinary American.
00:33:57.000It is the pathos and it is the ethos and less of the logos.
00:34:01.000They see a man who is a defector from the billionaire lifestyle who came in to now sacrifice his lifestyle, his comfort, his nice life of being within billionaire circles to go fight for the forgotten man and woman.
00:34:23.000And now that one guy, that one defector, just happens to be the recipient of the punishment of the administrative state.
00:34:31.000And that creates a tribal, immovable, non-persuadable us versus them Republican base that sees him as a symbol.
00:34:44.000You are losing your opportunity to gain traction.
00:34:47.000He is only furthering, he's further solidifying his bond and his relationship with the Republican base.
00:34:53.000The more they penalize him, the more they terrorize him, the more they smear him.
00:34:58.000And if you don't see that, you're talking to consultants and donors way too much and not with the actual ordinary Republican-based voters themselves.
00:35:11.000Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:35:12.000Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:35:15.000Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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