The Charlie Kirk Show - How Gavin Newsom Ruined California ft. Lomez

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:00.000 We have Lomez here as we go deeper into my conversation with Gavin Newsom.

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00:00:06.000 Lomez talks about Passage.press, his publishing company, and we go into so much more.

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00:01:19.000 Joining us now is Lomez.

00:01:22.000 Otherwise known as Jonathan Keeperman.

00:01:25.000 A great guy.

00:01:26.000 Welcome, man.

00:01:26.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:01:27.000 How are you?

00:01:27.000 This is wonderful to be here.

00:01:28.000 Thank you.

00:01:29.000 You publish books, amongst other things, right?

00:01:33.000 So tell us about some of these great gifts you've just given.

00:01:35.000 Okay, so I got you three books.

00:01:37.000 These were on my shelf.

00:01:38.000 This is Gray Mirror from Curtis Yarvin, Fascicles.

00:01:42.000 Curtis Yarvin, as you know, as people are...

00:01:44.000 Finding out is a kind of intellectual, you know, forebearer to some of these new trends in right-wing thought.

00:01:52.000 You know, J.D. Vance has cited Curtis Yarvin as, you know, a reference point.

00:01:58.000 Curtis is closely tied into this new sort of tech right coalition that's joining up.

00:02:04.000 We've had Curtis on our program.

00:02:07.000 So, yeah, we're doing four Curtis books over the next four years.

00:02:09.000 This is the first.

00:02:10.000 I also have for you H.P. Lovecraft short stories with some great new art.

00:02:15.000 And then one of my favorites is Always With Honor comic book.

00:02:18.000 Always With Honor is the memoir of the great white army general from the Russian Civil War, Peter Rangel.

00:02:26.000 What side was he on?

00:02:27.000 The Bolsheviks? 0.85

00:02:27.000 No, no, no. 0.85

00:02:29.000 General Rangel was our great white army hero who, despite the odds and despite everything coming against him, was one of the few people in that conflict who made...

00:02:39.000 He maintained his sense of integrity and fought valiantly, and despite the fact that, of course, as we all know, the Bolsheviks won, he managed to save hundreds of thousands of lives in getting his fellow countrymen to safety.

00:02:53.000 So he was on the czar's side, is that right?

00:02:54.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:02:55.000 I'm not as familiar with the Russian support.

00:02:57.000 Yeah, well, you know, it's a really fascinating story that is becoming, unfortunately, increasingly relevant to our own time.

00:03:03.000 Now, I think, you know, this election, we probably forestalled the worst outcomes, okay, and replaying the devastating and sort of catastrophic events of the Russian Civil War.

00:03:14.000 But I think the takeaway lesson is not so much the historical analog, but how as a man, as an honorable person with some influence, you are required to behave during times of great stress and when people are looking to you in time.

00:03:32.000 Periods of chaos to restore some order to the polity.

00:03:36.000 And it is always with honor.

00:03:38.000 Always with honor.

00:03:39.000 So I sat down with Gavin Newsom yesterday.

00:03:41.000 Now, do you live in California?

00:03:42.000 I don't anymore.

00:03:43.000 So I fled along with hundreds of thousands of other Californians around 2020. COVID was the catalyst for a lot of people to leave California, but it was going to happen one way or the other.

00:03:56.000 The trends were already in motion.

00:03:58.000 California had become a place that was hostile to middle class families.

00:04:02.000 And my wife and I, we had started our family.

00:04:05.000 Our oldest son was starting school and we had to get out because this is not a place where you can raise a family on a middle class income.

00:04:14.000 And a lot of that, frankly, is because of some of the policies that either Gavin Newsom was responsible for authoring or enabling.

00:04:22.000 And so this is something that I think, as Gavin Newsom very clearly seems to be making a play for 2028, a little bit, we have to remember what he did to the state of California.

00:04:35.000 And despite everything he might say to try to pivot to the center and make peace with some of the radicals on his side, he ruined California in a lot of ways.

00:04:45.000 How would you say he did that?

00:04:47.000 I completely agree.

00:04:48.000 Well, so firstly, the proof is in the pudding, okay?

00:04:50.000 As I was saying, net out-migration from California really started to accelerate the moment Gavin Newsom came into office in 2019. You started to see hundreds of thousands of people flee the state, especially, again, middle-class families.

00:05:06.000 And it's some combination of crime...

00:05:10.000 You have this kind of radical leftist cultural agenda that's infecting the schools and that was enabled by Gavin Newsom.

00:05:19.000 And I don't know if it was brought up in your interview, but I would encourage people, for example, to look up AB 101. AB 101 was an education bill that got put before Newsom in 2020, which he signed, which mandates DEI education for all California high schoolers.

00:05:41.000 A semester of DEI education for high schoolers.

00:05:44.000 So all he might say about his sort of animosity or certain hesitation he might have about pursuing some of this DEI agenda...

00:05:53.000 Well, he didn't really act on that, okay?

00:05:56.000 And he signed this bill into law, and now, starting in 2024-25, this year, all high school kids have to take DEI classes.

00:06:05.000 Okay, so you have homelessness, crime, you have the cultural degradation.

00:06:11.000 You also have a state that doesn't work financially.

00:06:15.000 Housing is incredibly expensive.

00:06:18.000 Part of that is the demand for housing, but part of that are these onerous regulations that are imposed not just on business owners, but on anybody who wants to build anything.

00:06:29.000 It's just a state that is hostile to people, to ordinary people.

00:06:34.000 It's very friendly to criminals and homeless.

00:06:36.000 But it's hostile to ordinary people.

00:06:39.000 It's also very nice if you're very wealthy.

00:06:41.000 So you can find a nice strip along the beach all the way down the coast.

00:06:47.000 It's very comfortable if you can afford that.

00:06:49.000 But for ordinary people, it's just not a good place to live.

00:06:51.000 I think you'll get a kick out of this piece of tape here.

00:06:54.000 This is about the University of California higher education system, the UC system.

00:07:00.000 And Gavin Newsom, I say something, he doesn't even know what they're teaching.

00:07:03.000 It's a little bit of a fun moment.

00:07:05.000 Playcut 190. Also, half the kids that graduate college will not even end up using their degree when it comes to the affiliated jobs.

00:07:12.000 So the numbers are true at the highest income.

00:07:14.000 So about 10% of kids that go to college stretch out the averages to be really, really high.

00:07:18.000 And so, for example, you go to Caltech to study computer engineering and applied AI, man, you're crushing it, right?

00:07:24.000 You go to Cal to go study North African lesbian poetry, like... 0.91

00:07:28.000 Is that an actual degree there?

00:07:30.000 You tell me, Governor.

00:07:30.000 I don't know.

00:07:31.000 I mean, we funded, but I'm not sure that's one of the courses.

00:07:34.000 See, the fact that you don't know? 0.94

00:07:35.000 Well, I don't know every single damn course. 0.96

00:07:37.000 I know. 0.97

00:07:37.000 It should be like, no way! 0.97

00:07:39.000 But if the fact it's a maybe, we got some problems.

00:07:42.000 Well, the fact that a lot of people have explored different disciplines.

00:07:45.000 That's fine.

00:07:46.000 It's just the taxpayers shouldn't have to fund it.

00:07:48.000 Your reaction to that?

00:07:49.000 You know, I think Gavin Newsom, first of all, what that reflects is he has no idea what's going on in his state.

00:07:55.000 He almost fell for it.

00:07:56.000 Is that a thing?

00:07:58.000 I wouldn't be surprised if it was a thing.

00:07:59.000 So I have some experience with this.

00:08:01.000 I taught in the UC system for 10 years.

00:08:04.000 I was a lecturer in the English department at UC Irvine.

00:08:07.000 I spent a lot of time with undergrads.

00:08:11.000 So I want to say a couple things here because I have some insight onto this as someone who was inside of it for a long time.

00:08:18.000 You're right.

00:08:19.000 There's a dichotomy.

00:08:20.000 The 10% of the institution of higher ed in California, really anywhere across the country, is still doing really great stuff.

00:08:28.000 They're producing knowledge.

00:08:29.000 They are teaching kids how to work with technology that they're going to need for successful and useful lives, useful careers.

00:08:38.000 But the 90% of it is just a waste of time and money.

00:08:42.000 These kids don't know anything.

00:08:44.000 They don't learn anything.

00:08:46.000 The professors don't care to teach them anything.

00:08:48.000 The university has failed at its two basic functions, which is either to produce knowledge or to preserve knowledge.

00:08:56.000 It no longer does either.

00:08:58.000 And it's especially the latter that is a real problem.

00:09:02.000 I love that.

00:09:03.000 I've never heard anyone say it that quickly.

00:09:04.000 So, yeah, preserving knowledge, preserving our intellectual and cultural heritage.

00:09:10.000 Not only have they neglected to do that, there has been an active effort to erase that intellectual.

00:09:18.000 And so I think, you know, if you really get into sort of granular details of it, there's all sorts of room for plausible deniability.

00:09:27.000 Someone like Gavin Newsom can say, well, that's just some one-off crazy thing.

00:09:31.000 It's not reflective of the entire institution.

00:09:33.000 But I will tell you, as someone who spent a lot of time with these kids, they are not coming out any better than they came in.

00:09:40.000 And in fact, they're coming out a lot worse.

00:09:42.000 And of course, then in tons of debt, too.

00:09:45.000 So they're saddled with this tremendous debt.

00:09:46.000 And they haven't improved what we call their human capital, their ability to actually perform in the workplace and make good use of their lives and skills and talents.

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00:10:42.000 That is 1-800-4-RELIEF. 1-800-4-RELIEF. So Lomas, before we play more tape here, I want to just reiterate, you believe that probably 90% of the academy is rotten to the core.

00:10:55.000 Yeah, more or less.

00:10:56.000 I mean, in this default...

00:10:58.000 There's plenty of fault to go around.

00:11:00.000 Part of it starts with high school and K-12.

00:11:03.000 And so these kids come into school.

00:11:06.000 They come into their undergrad class.

00:11:08.000 I used to teach a number of different classes.

00:11:10.000 One I used to teach was on conspiracy theories.

00:11:12.000 We would talk about conspiracy theories and sort of the rhetoric and arguments involved in conspiracy theories.

00:11:17.000 And I would start with 9-11.

00:11:20.000 And from 9-11, we'd go to JFK. Over time, you know, I started teaching about 2010. Over time, what I started to find was they didn't know what these things were.

00:11:32.000 I mean, now part of this was a huge percentage of my students at UC Irvine were international students, over 20% at one point.

00:11:40.000 So they had no real connection to our cultural history.

00:11:44.000 But even the American kids. 0.56

00:11:46.000 They didn't know who JFK was.

00:11:47.000 They didn't know these basic facts about history.

00:11:50.000 This is at UC Irvine.

00:11:51.000 This is at UC Irvine.

00:11:51.000 So you'd say that kids would come to UC Irvine and not know who JFK was?

00:11:56.000 They'd have some vague idea.

00:11:57.000 They might have heard the name, but tying that to a specific period in history or tying it to a specific assassination and the context around that and things like Vietnam and the Cold War was totally absent from their mental framework.

00:12:11.000 And so what I ended up doing for a...

00:12:14.000 You know, large part of my classes, especially for first-year students, was basically teaching them Wikipedia-level history, basic American history.

00:12:23.000 And so, you know, and it's not their fault, by the way.

00:12:25.000 This is not something these kids did to themselves.

00:12:28.000 This is because of neglect from our educational institutions.

00:12:33.000 And a lot of this comes out of the educational graduate programs that determine curriculums for statewide schools.

00:12:42.000 There's also, again, just this sense that Over time, our powers that be have decided that it's better for us to start from scratch, again, to sever our connection from our intellectual and cultural history and replace it with something else.

00:13:00.000 This has been going on basically since the political correctness period of the 90s, probably even before that, but it really accelerated in the 2000s and in the Obama years.

00:13:11.000 And this has a drastic effect on the students when they come in.

00:13:14.000 So by the time they get to college, they're not ready to absorb and get anything out of the material that perhaps you and I got in college and certainly from generations before got out of college.

00:13:27.000 They're playing catch up all the way through.

00:13:28.000 And then you add that to the fact that their instructors and the people who now run the colleges are almost exclusively one dimensional ideologues.

00:13:38.000 I mean, across the board.

00:13:40.000 It is very rare, and someone like me, I just kind of sit in the back and keep my mouth shut.

00:13:44.000 I don't say anything.

00:13:47.000 There's nobody to the right of Barack Obama circa 2008. That's about as far right as you're going to get.

00:13:54.000 And so this one-dimensional ideological trajectory...

00:13:58.000 Doesn't produce any kind of education per se.

00:14:02.000 What it is is ideological instruction.

00:14:06.000 They are trying to impose their beliefs and political agenda on these students, and anybody who deviates from that even a little bit learns very early on there's consequences for it.

00:14:18.000 So you know, if I want to get a good grade, I just repeat back to my teacher what they want.

00:14:23.000 That's exactly right.

00:14:25.000 So, what should a college be in the ideal?

00:14:29.000 College means partnership in original Greek.

00:14:32.000 So, you know, I have my own view of what college should be.

00:14:35.000 It may not match up with everyone else's.

00:14:37.000 I don't think that college needs to be a place where it becomes the default next step for every kid who graduates from high school.

00:14:45.000 I think it's great if people want to pursue a higher education.

00:14:49.000 They absolutely should.

00:14:50.000 But we should construct a system where kids are given an opportunity that...

00:14:56.000 Doesn't reflect on their value or moral worth where they can be funneled into vocational training or even very high-end career paths.

00:15:07.000 You don't need college.

00:15:08.000 You can get the training you need just going by being an apprentice at a law firm, even.

00:15:15.000 And I think AI is going to change a lot of this, by the way.

00:15:18.000 I hope so.

00:15:19.000 Yeah, so I want to play that tape, actually.

00:15:21.000 Let's play cut 176. Are you arguing for...

00:15:26.000 The disestablishment, the end of higher education systems.

00:15:29.000 I think it's going to happen no matter what.

00:15:30.000 I mean, in 10 years, artificial intelligence is going to change everything.

00:15:33.000 And I don't know what these four-year degrees are actually doing to prepare these kids for that.

00:15:37.000 But no, as far as, like, I'm not, I mean, am I advocating for the end of the pursuit of learning?

00:15:41.000 Of course not.

00:15:42.000 That's one of my big critiques, is that at a lot of these schools, they're not pursuing what is good, true, and beautiful.

00:15:46.000 It's become the oppression Olympics and a weaponized complaint seminar of people sitting in the circle and finding out...

00:15:53.000 Who's been offended the most that day?

00:15:55.000 That's not doing anybody any good.

00:15:57.000 Yeah, so I think that's right.

00:15:58.000 And, you know, I think the promise, the ideal of college is we all get together with fellow smart people who are intellectually curious and we sort of work through difficult and old ideas and try to make better sense of the world.

00:16:10.000 That's simply not happening.

00:16:11.000 I think you're right.

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00:17:47.000 Okay, I am searching for this piece of tape here.

00:17:50.000 I think I have it right here.

00:17:51.000 Yeah, here it is.

00:17:52.000 So, I want to...

00:17:53.000 We talked about how Democrats struggle to survive in longer form podcasting where there is not scripting or teleprompters.

00:18:01.000 Let's play Cut 180. Democrats cannot survive in long-form podcasting environments.

00:18:06.000 Why?

00:18:06.000 It's too unscripted.

00:18:07.000 It's too masculine, honestly.

00:18:09.000 And the Democrat Party's become too feminine. 0.97

00:18:11.000 What is masculine about a podcast?

00:18:12.000 Honestly, because I get the whole manosphere of this bro podcast.

00:18:14.000 To go into the wilderness with no rules and duel it out and see who's better or who's stronger.

00:18:19.000 No, seriously.

00:18:20.000 Democrats can't.

00:18:21.000 We don't do it.

00:18:22.000 You're right.

00:18:23.000 For whatever reason, don't do it.

00:18:24.000 You can laugh, but who in the Democrat Party...

00:18:26.000 We're not.

00:18:27.000 You're right.

00:18:27.000 We'll go.

00:18:28.000 I mean, maybe Bernie Sanders, but he only worked like that.

00:18:30.000 RFK when he was a Democrat.

00:18:31.000 Bobby, who's now HHS. But, like, there's something to be said that if you want to earn the respect of Forgotten America...

00:18:37.000 You have to show them that you can intellectually joust with no script, no hard breaks, no producers in the ears, no teleprompters.

00:18:46.000 That's where new media is going.

00:18:47.000 Now, I will only challenge one thing you say.

00:18:50.000 I am reaching new audiences.

00:18:51.000 I'm not talking to my bubble.

00:18:53.000 Because our content is so appealing, it goes in a decentralized way.

00:18:57.000 And it's not just political.

00:18:58.000 No, it's not political.

00:19:00.000 But again, our conversation here is going to go far and wide.

00:19:03.000 A lot of people are going to see it.

00:19:04.000 A lot of people are going to consume it.

00:19:06.000 Because it's also politics and entertainment have begun to overlap, right?

00:19:11.000 And the old adage is, well, politics is downstream from culture.

00:19:14.000 I think politics and culture are indecipherable from one another now.

00:19:17.000 Donald Trump became a cultural phenomenon, right?

00:19:19.000 You go into inner city Compton, you'll see guys with Trump shirts with the hand up, fight, fight, fight.

00:19:27.000 So what Democrats are doing is you're still playing in a very old, hypersanitized media environment.

00:19:33.000 My advice is you got to go where it's unpredictable, where it's treacherous, where it's dangerous.

00:19:37.000 What do you think about the masculine element of that?

00:19:39.000 Basically, Gavin was like, well, what is masculinity is what he was asking.

00:19:42.000 Well, I'm sure Gavin would ask that question.

00:19:45.000 I'm sure it's very difficult for him to come up with a coherent definition of masculinity.

00:19:49.000 It's not something probably that is often modeled in the kind of places that he hangs out and among the kind of people he hangs out with.

00:19:58.000 I think the general point is a really important one.

00:20:02.000 And this idea of having conversations that are totally unscripted, that are removed from familiar talking points, is something that the right has come to dominate.

00:20:15.000 And what this reflects to me is a willingness to go after the truth.

00:20:22.000 There isn't some target that we're aiming at.

00:20:25.000 We don't know necessarily where we're aiming at.

00:20:28.000 Our only lodestar is what is true, what is good, and being willing to follow that wherever it may lead.

00:20:36.000 Perhaps this is something that just comes about when you're in a position of sort of cultural subordination.

00:20:42.000 So the right was kind of on the outside for a long time, and we had to sort of explore the wilderness.

00:20:47.000 The left used to be able to do this.

00:20:49.000 They became culturally dominant, no longer can do it.

00:20:52.000 And why can't the left do it?

00:20:53.000 Because there are certain true things that are in direct contradiction with what the left needs to believe in order to sustain its ideological agenda.

00:21:02.000 And so the moment they let themselves off the leash and start exploring some of these ideas, they're going to run into, you know, these what we call thought terminating cliches.

00:21:12.000 They're just going to have to stop themselves and retreat back into their talking points.

00:21:16.000 And look, if I didn't believe that just following the truth would lead to the political preferences that I have, then I wouldn't be on the right.

00:21:26.000 I'd be on the left.

00:21:27.000 It's because I believe that just following the truth naturally will lead to the kinds of things I believe in and the kinds of things I want to see happen that I'm willing to do it.

00:21:36.000 And I don't think the left is.

00:21:38.000 And to the masculine-feminine issue, one of the more masculine things that one can do is to go where there is uncertainty and to go up against opposition.

00:21:51.000 In some ways, and I was getting at it, it is a...

00:21:55.000 It is an intellectual, non-violent way to do a UFC fight, right?

00:22:00.000 I mean, it is like, we're going to see who wins.

00:22:02.000 We're going to see who's better.

00:22:03.000 We're going to see who's tougher.

00:22:05.000 Where...

00:22:05.000 I don't know.

00:22:06.000 The feminine ways you both submit op-eds or something? 0.99

00:22:08.000 I don't know.

00:22:08.000 Yeah.

00:22:09.000 So this is something I've actually written about.

00:22:10.000 I wrote an essay for First Things called What is the Longhouse?

00:22:13.000 And the premise of this essay was to suggest that our current arrangement, at least in official capacities to negotiate over ideas, took on a kind of feminine nature.

00:22:25.000 And what that means is the goal is to reach consensus.

00:22:29.000 Yes.

00:22:29.000 The goal is to prevent anyone from getting their feelings hurt.

00:22:32.000 The goal is to prevent offense.

00:22:35.000 More masculine way of arguing is to pursue truth.

00:22:40.000 Oftentimes, if the pursuit, if our aim is to find out what is true, we are going to come into conflict with each other.

00:22:48.000 It is going to be necessarily combative.

00:22:50.000 It is entirely anathema to the notion of consensus.

00:22:55.000 And so where these two paths diverge, where the masculine and feminine diverge, is either you're aimed at truth or you're aimed at consensus.

00:23:03.000 Let's play another tape here.

00:23:05.000 I could not agree more.

00:23:06.000 I want to play an element that we discussed with Gavin Newsom about how the race politics are in our schools, race hate in our schools, if you will.

00:23:18.000 And I know you could talk at length about this.

00:23:20.000 Let's play cut 178. To make an eight-year-old feel like they're racist is absurd and outrageous. 0.50

00:23:26.000 But Governor, with all the respect, that's happening right now in California public schools.

00:23:29.000 And I'm not trying to drill you on you.

00:23:31.000 I'm just being honest.

00:23:31.000 You could say that, but maybe you should convene a special session and say no more race-based teaching against white people in the schools of California or Asians.

00:23:43.000 I'm just saying, though, that this is not a conjecture.

00:23:46.000 It's not a hypothetical.

00:23:47.000 It is embedded into the DNA of the Democrat Party.

00:23:50.000 Is that correct?

00:23:51.000 Okay, now this is where Gavin Newsom is at his slipperiest, in my view.

00:23:57.000 He knows exactly what's going on.

00:24:00.000 And he was kind of playing like, oh, I don't know what's going on.

00:24:02.000 Oh, how dare you suggest?

00:24:03.000 That AB-101, I wish I would have had that armed with that.

00:24:05.000 So yeah, AB-101 is, you know, a skeleton key, one among many, that kind of unlocks precisely what's going on in California.

00:24:13.000 And at Gavin Newsom's lead, he signed this bill.

00:24:17.000 It's not like he's ignorant of what's going on.

00:24:19.000 AB-101.

00:24:21.000 Mandates, mandates that all high school kids take a DEI semester, okay, in their classes, just as they would take econ or civics.

00:24:30.000 They now have to take a DEI class.

00:24:32.000 He signed this in 2020. This goes into effect in 2024-25.

00:24:37.000 At the risk of repeating myself, this is all you need to see and read about to know where Gavin Newsom's heart is at or where his lack of spine is at.

00:24:49.000 He may actually want to not have these things in place.

00:24:53.000 I don't think he has any core beliefs.

00:24:55.000 Exactly.

00:24:55.000 I think it's the most transactional.

00:24:57.000 That was my impression.

00:24:59.000 Which, in some ways, is the most dangerous of all.

00:25:01.000 It's very dangerous because he can kind of shapeshift according to whatever's most expedient in the moment.

00:25:06.000 But, you know, he has a track record.

00:25:08.000 And so all we've got to do is point to that track record and say, wait a minute, you're saying X, but clearly what you actually believe or are willing to do is the exact opposite of X. We'll have no way to really reconcile that except to just kind of dissemble and, you know, smile on camera, which, you know, may be appealing to a certain amount of people, but I think most voters and most people on our side who, you know, might be looking at Gavin Newsom as someone they could convert to, I really hope not, please.

00:25:35.000 That is not going to make anybody's life better, but they'll see through that.

00:25:38.000 I really think the American voters are smarter than that, and they see through that kind of transparent sort of political actor-type behavior.

00:25:46.000 I hope so.

00:25:48.000 Another interesting piece of tape here about how Democrats have a purification process to constantly be kicking people out of their party that don't agree with them or in their intellectual circles.

00:26:03.000 You see this at the Academy.

00:26:05.000 Let's play Cut 177. Any Democrats you admire out there right now?

00:26:09.000 Democrats, I respect.

00:26:10.000 Oh, yeah.

00:26:10.000 I mean, Bobby Kennedy, I respect.

00:26:13.000 Tulsi Gabbard.

00:26:14.000 Why are you laughing?

00:26:15.000 Why are you smiling?

00:26:16.000 Because, like, they're on our team now because you guys kicked out, like, your best people.

00:26:19.000 It's like the people that were...

00:26:21.000 This is a great point, though, Governor, is that Bobby Kennedy was a heterodox opinion on a thing that a lot of people were concerned about.

00:26:27.000 Get him out! 0.98

00:26:27.000 He's an anti-vaxxer. 0.98

00:26:29.000 Tulsi Gabbard, who was an anti-war, get her out! 1.00

00:26:31.000 She's a Russian agent.

00:26:32.000 You guys see how you have an unhealthy purification process where eventually you're left with just a 31% approval rating?

00:26:38.000 And a bunch of people that are talking to each other.

00:26:41.000 And meanwhile, we're the ones that have Democrats in our cabinet, winning the electoral majority vote.

00:26:45.000 Because there needs to be said, if Democrats are serious about being a majority party ever again, look at that ideological diversity.

00:26:54.000 We have people that, you know, geez, they want to go to war with every country that says something bad against us.

00:26:58.000 And then we have people that are far more dovish, you know, like Rand Paul.

00:27:02.000 But that is a better, more, dare I say, diverse picture.

00:27:05.000 You could say diversity is our strength.

00:27:07.000 Oh, look at you.

00:27:08.000 Thank you.

00:27:09.000 Lomas, your thoughts?

00:27:10.000 Okay, yeah.

00:27:10.000 I mean, look, this is part of the natural, what I'd call sort of liberal leftist life cycle.

00:27:16.000 These things go in circles.

00:27:17.000 And so, you know, you had the sort of paroxysms of the 60s in this first big wave, not the first big wave, but in modern times, post-war era, this first big wave of sort of leftist excess, it peters out and that leads into, you know, the malaise of the 70s and then into Reagan.

00:27:33.000 You have the political correctness craze of the 90s.

00:27:35.000 And now we have this 2010s thing happening.

00:27:38.000 And it's coming to an end.

00:27:40.000 And anytime this cycle comes to an end, leftism kind of exhausts its revolutionary spirit.

00:27:46.000 It becomes ossified.

00:27:47.000 And this gets back to our point about podcasting.

00:27:50.000 It's unable to take in new ideas, novel ideas, ideas that might actually deviate from the hard party line.

00:27:58.000 This wave of liberal excess is at the end.

00:28:02.000 And I think Gavin Newsom is sort of just clinging to it by a thread, hoping he might be able to revive.

00:28:07.000 You know, the hope and change spirit of Obama, but frankly, it's dead.

00:28:10.000 It's a dead cycle, and they're going to have to find something new, and they don't know how to do that.

00:28:15.000 And you can see with Newsom here, his only ideas are to just take what's working from us, okay?

00:28:21.000 So now he's just going to be anti-DEI. You saw this, by the way, in the election, too.

00:28:26.000 All of Kamala Harris's most popular ideas are just stuff she stole from Trump, okay, like no taxes on tipping, for example. 1.00

00:28:32.000 So they're completely out of ideas.

00:28:34.000 I think they need to now go into the wilderness.

00:28:36.000 wilderness and rediscover what it means to be on the left.

00:28:39.000 And in the meantime, and I think this is where we have a real opportunity, conservatism has had this bad habit of kind of letting this cycle sort of restart every 10 years or so, totally letting these people back in tolerating really bad ideas, not standing up for themselves, totally letting these people back in tolerating really bad ideas, not standing up for themselves, not No, we want them to remain in the wilderness.

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00:31:56.000 Oh, yes.

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00:32:05.000 So here's an interesting little moment here where Gavin Newsom is trying to maybe be a little economically populist.

00:32:12.000 I don't think he's doing a very good job of it considering he basically oversees the oligarchy.

00:32:16.000 But let's play Cut 184. Listen carefully.

00:32:19.000 Look, the number one thing, which I know you're going to agree with, and I'm sure you'll have a super slick response, right, that's about half true, which is the cost of housing.

00:32:28.000 Average home in California, $850,000.

00:32:30.000 I like what you said about BlackRock.

00:32:33.000 But that was interesting to me.

00:32:35.000 I think that is, but again, that's not a majority of house purchasing.

00:32:37.000 About one in four houses are bought by private equity.

00:32:40.000 Would you agree to say that BlackRock should not be able to own homes in California?

00:32:43.000 I think, and then turning around and renting them?

00:32:45.000 It's insane, right?

00:32:46.000 This is a huge problem across the country.

00:32:48.000 You should propose a bill in the California state house.

00:32:50.000 We've had one.

00:32:51.000 It didn't get very far last year, and there's more conversations.

00:32:53.000 A $10 trillion fund shouldn't be able to come in and buy homes.

00:32:55.000 But it's not just BlackRock specifically.

00:32:57.000 No, it's the idea of mass.

00:32:59.000 Mass asset managers that have $50 billion asset under management are now competing against our college grad from Cal State Fullerton.

00:33:09.000 So with a couple minutes, I could see your facial rake.

00:33:11.000 There's a lot there.

00:33:13.000 Please.

00:33:14.000 Okay, so again, this just betrays what's actually happening in California.

00:33:20.000 Listen, if you're a young guy, you're starting out a family, and you want to live in California, which, by the way, is a beautiful place, and California is...

00:33:29.000 Filled with a lot of conservatives and red-leaning people, and I really don't want people to abandon California.

00:33:35.000 It really should be the crown jewel of the American empire, and it will be again, okay?

00:33:40.000 But for the time being, Gavin Newsom is ruining it, and one way he's ruining it is by eliminating the possibility for a middle class to thrive there.

00:33:47.000 You either can afford to live in a rundown neighborhood full of homeless people and criminals with schools that are going to destroy the minds of your children.

00:33:58.000 I know that sounds like hyperbole, but it's the truth.

00:34:00.000 Or, you're a millionaire.

00:34:03.000 Totally.

00:34:04.000 side and be completely insulated from the rest of the problems of the state and kind of merrily go along your way, pretending as if everything is fine.

00:34:12.000 It's not fine.

00:34:13.000 The middle class are getting devastated in California.

00:34:16.000 And again, the proof is in the pudding.

00:34:18.000 People are fleeing the state.

00:34:20.000 Middle class Californians are leaving.

00:34:22.000 They are in some number being replaced by foreigners coming in.

00:34:27.000 But the middle class domestic out migration from California is as big now as it has ever been in the history of the state.

00:34:35.000 And what can, if you were to give advice to the American right, more broadly, because you said something, we need to have the intestinal fortitude and spine that it's okay to rule.

00:34:47.000 It's okay to govern.

00:34:48.000 What does that look like?

00:34:49.000 One minute remaining.

00:34:49.000 Okay, you know, governors of states.

00:34:51.000 Take back control of your education systems.

00:34:54.000 This is the biggest one.

00:34:55.000 Take control of your universities.

00:34:57.000 We're so afraid to do this.

00:34:57.000 It's not hard.

00:34:59.000 You can do this.

00:34:59.000 You can put your own university presidents in place who are going to return these institutions to the function they were built for.

00:35:09.000 And why they don't do this is kind of beyond me, and I think they're nervous.

00:35:13.000 I think also they're unfamiliar with things like public education, with things like education.

00:35:18.000 They're very good with business.

00:35:19.000 They're very good with...

00:35:20.000 And that's great.

00:35:22.000 They shouldn't deviate from that.

00:35:24.000 But they can walk and chew gum at the same time.

00:35:26.000 And it's simply finding the right people, finding people who are from those institutions, who are aligned, who can help facilitate retaking control of them.

00:35:39.000 Lomez, you're great.

00:35:40.000 You're welcome anytime.

00:35:41.000 And they try to dox you, but...

00:35:44.000 What doesn't kill you makes you stronger?

00:35:45.000 That's right.

00:35:47.000 Did you see Steak and Shake was quoting Nietzsche the other day?

00:35:50.000 No.

00:35:51.000 Did you see that?

00:35:51.000 We're in the new timeline, man.

00:35:53.000 Anything's possible now.

00:35:54.000 Actually, I've got to pull this up here.

00:35:56.000 I know you'd appreciate it.

00:35:57.000 You're smart.

00:35:58.000 Yeah.

00:35:59.000 Steak and Shake tweets, quote, He who has a why to live can bear almost any how.

00:36:03.000 Steak Shake tweeted that out today.

00:36:05.000 What means?

00:36:06.000 Exactly.

00:36:06.000 Thank you so much, man.

00:36:08.000 Excellent, as always.

00:36:09.000 Thank you for the books.

00:36:10.000 Passage.press is the call to action.

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00:36:14.000 Yep, that's the one.

00:36:14.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:36:15.000 Come back anytime.

00:36:16.000 And if you guys want to hear the entirety of the Gavin Newsom interview, that's why you should subscribe to the Charlie Kirk Show podcast.

00:36:21.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:23.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:25.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - March 06, 2025

How Gavin Newsom Ruined California ft. Lomez

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