00:00:00.000Hey everybody, it's Anna Charlie Kirk Show.
00:00:01.000Isabelle Brown, former Turning Point USA chapter leader from Colorado State University, joins the program to talk about her book, The End of the Alphabet, How Gen Z Can Save America.
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00:01:48.000They say Gen Z is going to be Jen Free, author of End of the Alphabet, How Gen Z Can Save America, and also former Turning Point USA chapter leader.
00:01:57.000I will never remove that from the bio.
00:02:00.000Isabelle, it's going to be 20 years from now, Isabelle.
00:02:19.000I am in New York City right now, obviously, hence the hotel backdrop, to launch my new book as of yesterday, The End of the Alphabet, How Gen Z Can Save America.
00:02:29.000It is already a number one Amazon bestseller in both the audiobook and the hardback copy.
00:02:35.000But people are waking up to the reality that Gen Z is not this bygone conclusion, a write-off, this entitled lazy socialist generation that's destroying America.
00:02:46.000We might be America's last chance for salvation and are shocking the world by being quite culturally conservative, the most we've seen since World War II for any American generation.
00:02:56.000All right, so you're going to have to convince me, Isabelle, I'll play devil's advocate.
00:03:00.000You know, when I think of Gen Z, they're staring at their phones.
00:03:06.000How is Gen Z, how can Gen Z save the country?
00:03:12.000Your pessimism is not alone, and in fact, is part of almost every interview I'm doing for the book.
00:03:17.000And I think it's smart to acknowledge I understand where that's coming from.
00:03:20.000You know, I like to say, quoting Stranger Things, one of my favorite TV shows of all time, that in 2024, Gen Z is living in the upside down in America.
00:03:30.000We're living in a time that kind of looks like reality, and it kind of looks like what our parents told us their early 20s and teenage years were like.
00:03:37.000It should be recognizable, but it's not.
00:03:41.000Up is down, left is right, men are women, and women are men.
00:03:44.000I think we've all seen enough of the Dylan Mulvaney video this week to prove that.
00:03:48.000And we're looking to right the ship again, turn right side up and seek a purpose greater than ourselves.
00:03:53.000When I say Gen Z is the most conservative generation in 50 plus years, that's not necessarily in coherence with conservative politics at large, although I do believe it is trending in that direction, and there's a lot of data to support that.
00:04:06.000I'm talking much larger than just politics, but culturally in America, too.
00:04:10.000We're looking at a generation that has a 93% chance of still wanting to get married, even in a time where we have the lowest marriage rate in American history.
00:04:19.00062% of us have already started our own businesses.
00:04:22.000We're realizing, thanks to groups like Turning Point USA and your incredible work on exposing the fact that college is a scam.
00:04:29.000We don't have to spend $250,000 on a degree in African underwater lesbian dance theory to be successful in the world.
00:04:40.000And so we're embracing this traditionally valued conservative culture and lifestyle that, as we know from Andrew Breitbart, will only trickle down further into politics.
00:04:50.000And you're really starting to see that manifest with this next great group of voters, soon to be the largest voter bloc in American history.
00:04:57.000There is evidence to show how Gen Z men are more right-wing than ever before.
00:05:05.000You know, but we've had this conversation before, Isabel, and I try, I went on whatever.
00:05:51.000Gen Z men are overwhelmingly conservative thanks to the work of you and Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro and these people that are really speaking to reviving masculinity.
00:06:01.000Last time I was on the show, we talked about a poll that had just dropped that like 70% of current high school senior boys at age 17 are overwhelmingly conservative.
00:06:10.000So we've done our part there and that's a very exciting thing to see.
00:06:14.000But I think for women, it's not going to be as much of a difficult battle as people are thinking to turn Gen Z women more conservative.
00:06:22.000Culturally, we're already doing that on our own.
00:06:26.000You know, I'm seeing women from across the political spectrum wake up and realize that hormonal birth control is slow release poison and is slowly destroying both our physical health and our mental and emotional health.
00:06:38.000So literally almost every young woman I talk to on high school and college campuses, even the leftists, say that they are overwhelmingly quitting birth control.
00:06:45.000Women everywhere are starting to realize that dating apps have not led to any sort of happiness or liberation from a supposed patriarchy as they've been packaged to us, nor are they helping us find the one with these apps, quote unquote, designed to be deleted, as are the slogans for groups like the Match Group, which owns Tinder and Hinge.
00:07:05.000So 90% of Gen Zers are coming forward in a recent poll and saying, yeah, actually, I've had a horrible experience on all of these apps.
00:07:14.000I want something real and tangible and lasting in true love.
00:07:18.000A recent survey from her campus, as I just mentioned, said 93% of Gen Zers on campus, that includes women, still want to grow up and get married in a time that for young women, marriage is being packaged as this jail, a constraint, a way to hold you back from your personal life, your friends, corporate opportunities, and more.
00:07:38.000And you're really starting to see a markable difference happening culturally with these young women.
00:07:43.000Now, are we fighting some sort of cultural battle here that is incredibly difficult?
00:07:48.000Yes, largely thanks to the indoctrination from groups like Planned Parenthood, who writes the vast majority of sex ed curriculum in this country and has hired multi-zillion-dollar celebrities and influencers to convince us the only way to survive as a woman is to support stuff like abortion on demand and vote for the left.
00:08:05.000But it's not quite as cut and dry as you think, even on that issue.
00:08:09.000Nine in 10 Gen Z voters support some sort of restriction on abortion, according to a new poll from Students for Life action going into this November election, which is a stark contrast to the abortion on demand through all nine months for any reason platform supported by Joe Biden and this current Democrat Party.
00:08:28.000So those seeds are starting to be planted, and it might take a little bit of time for that political pendulum to swing, but the cultural one is already in motion.
00:08:36.000So the divide is happening for, you know, politically.
00:08:43.000And I know that your book is about, you know, Gen Z saving the country.
00:08:48.000When you travel and you speak on high school and college campuses, you know, what gives you the most hope in regards to young ladies?
00:08:58.000Do you think it could be a movable voting block?
00:09:01.000Do you think it can normalize in the conservative direction?
00:09:06.000And this might sound counterintuitive, but I think what gives me the most hope with our generation is that I can see and we're all openly acknowledging the brokenness in feminist culture that is currently being shoved in our faces on a silver platter for young women today.
00:09:22.000I hear women cry all the time when they come ask us questions when I speak about abortion or dating or modern feminism on campus about how empty and sad their lives have become.
00:09:33.000I had a very similar experience on the whatever podcast that we talked about last time I was on the show, even when these women are fundamentally different from myself in terms of religious or political values.
00:09:43.000You know, the CDC says one in three teenage girls in America seriously contemplated taking her own life in 2021.
00:09:51.000And if that doesn't break your heart, I don't know what possibly could.
00:09:54.000I think we all personally know someone, mostly young ladies, that have fallen into this trap because we've only been presented the secular, empty nature of the world.
00:10:04.000But that brokenness gives us an opportunity to connect, to share humanity in realizing we weren't built for this type of culture.
00:11:43.000So, Isabel, talk about some of the stereotypes of Gen Z and the ones that frustrate you the most, the ones that you hear that make you roll your eyes.
00:11:53.000Talk about that and how you overcome that.
00:11:56.000When I was first starting to write the book, it was such a fascinating experiment because I conducted a poll on my Instagram story and I asked people who are not Gen Zers to describe our generation in a single word.
00:12:07.000And then I asked people our age to do the exact same thing.
00:12:09.000And most of the words that those older than us came up with were entitled, lazy, stupid, uneducated, socialist, participation trophy, and even some more colorful language at that.
00:12:21.000But the words that we chose to describe ourselves with were worthy, chosen, leaders, intelligent, capable, fearless, and bold.
00:12:31.000And so I wrote this book partially out of frustration that those older than us seemed to have a fundamentally different image of who we were than what I was seeing in reality for the vast majority of my generation that I was interacting with through our turning point chapters, using my platform online as an independent creator and my live stream I'm doing every day.
00:12:50.000And I'm hoping to bridge a lot of that generational gap.
00:12:52.000But it's funny now, doing a lot of the media I'm doing for my book, I'll get on a radio interview or be sitting in a TV studio and people will say, Gen Z is this horrible blue-haired leftist socialist generation unanimously.
00:13:04.000But I have an 18-year-old and I have a 21-year-old and they turn out pretty great.
00:13:08.000They're pretty darn conservative and they have a great sense of humor and have no patience for any of this rainbow nonsense.
00:13:14.000So I guess people just aren't seeing it outside of their own homes.
00:13:17.000And that, of course, does exist, all of the crazy stereotypes.
00:13:20.000But I'm finding it's a really loud minority that's given almost all of the airtime to those older than us.
00:13:29.000If you were to give advice to the Donald Trump campaign, say, hey, here's what you need to do to win over Gen Z voters, in particular, Gen Z women, and counter the threat of RFK and Biden.
00:13:44.000First and foremost, do exactly what you did last week and speak out against Congress's banning of TikTok.
00:13:49.000That was perhaps the most savvy thing the Trump campaign could have done in terms of curbing government overreach and protecting freedom of speech for our generation on something that is not a partisan issue when it comes to First Amendment rights in the digital age, in the public square that we all engage with every day.
00:14:05.000And that just so happens to be the internet.
00:14:08.000I'm sure we're going to talk a whole lot about TikTok, Charlie, which I'm excited for.
00:14:11.000But tailoring a little bit more of this towards women in particular, I think there's a very unique opportunity to address young women and say the left is presenting to you what they are calling the solution to all women's rights issues in abortion, in corporate America, in every other beautifully wrapped up with a pink bow, female-oriented platform that actually is just a hollow lie that's going to make your life more miserable.
00:14:38.000If you want fulfillment, if you want joy, if you want happiness and purpose in your life, conservative values are where it's at.
00:14:45.000And it's what you guys are choosing now, even if you don't realize that it might orient politically conservative.
00:14:51.000It just happens to be a bit more traditional in that sense.
00:14:53.000There was a study that came out this morning that said marriage rates in America, as of this week, are back up to pre-pandemic levels.
00:15:00.000And some states, like Nevada, have a current marriage rate of 12.5%, which is statistically unheard of.
00:15:07.000So culturally, we're already orienting in that direction.
00:15:10.000I would create an address and an opportunity to speak to young women about the empty lies one by one that the left is presenting to them and why the conservative side of things might be a whole lot better.
00:15:20.000Do you think that Gen Z might end up tilting more RFK than Biden or Trump?
00:15:26.000Do you think that it might be a little bit of a third-party challenge that we have to be concerned about?
00:16:26.000We had last month saving babies with pre-born by providing ultrasounds.
00:16:30.000And we're doing again this year what we did last year.
00:16:32.000We're going to stand for life because remaining silent in the face of the most radically pro-death administration is not an option.
00:16:37.000As Sir Edmund Burke said, the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing, and we're not going to do nothing.
00:16:43.000Your gift to pre-born will give a girl the truth about what's happening in her body so that she can make the right choice.
00:17:41.000Isabel, what am I missing about this degenerate cancer that we call TikTok?
00:17:46.000Well, I'm glad to see other people speaking up about online censorship because I do think this is so important.
00:17:52.000But on the flip side of the data security and national security concerns that I think most people are espousing, most of what I'm hearing out of Washington is actually the reason we need to ban TikTok stemming from the degenerate content that is overwhelmingly on the platform.
00:18:08.000I would just have to ask, are you not also seeing what's on Instagram and on Facebook and on Twitter now X, which actually has the largest pornography problem of any online social media platform?
00:18:20.000It's not TikTok, which is oddly shocking to so many people.
00:18:23.000You're seeing Dylan Mulvaney's music video go viral on Instagram and on Facebook and on Twitter just as much as you're seeing it on TikTok.
00:18:31.000And amazingly, I think people are just so unaware that TikTok is home to literally thousands of people you may never have heard of with a verified check mark next to their name on X or on Instagram, but are talking about the very values that make Western civilization great in the most authentic way possible.
00:18:49.000Putting on their makeup in the morning while they're getting ready to go to class in college or sitting in the passenger seat of their car.
00:18:55.000I see more content that is pro-Trump, pro-God, and sharing the gospel, which has never been more important in the age of digital communication, that is pro-free speech and telling the truth about gender ideology and abortion and everything else on TikTok than I see on the rest of the internet combined.
00:19:12.000Of course, are there algorithmic issues we should address?
00:20:02.000And now with transness, I'm hoping that it's the same trajectory of like, you know, the people that are being so outwardly transphobic online in my comments and my DMs.
00:20:12.000I'm hoping that that will become like increasingly embarrassing for them and that these media organizations and these social platforms will be equally embarrassed that they tolerated and allowed these things to happen and didn't step up when we needed them most.
00:20:26.000But I also think about how specific to TikTok, because I still am like, what is this app?
00:21:13.000Interestingly, in the full version of that clip that we just watched, I watched it this morning, Dylan talks about how he saw the first ever really feminine man in entertainment and on a screen by watching glee.
00:21:26.000This is, of course, everything that we see across our screens.
00:21:29.000But in reference to Dylan's new Days of Girlhood, very, very offensive song and music video that is turning a lot of people off this week as to his content.
00:21:38.000I can't tell you, Charlie, how many videos I've seen with 10, 20, 30, 40 million views, thousands of these videos, even from people who say they support transitioning of children, even for people that would be overwhelmingly leftist and feminist, saying, guess what?
00:21:53.000I am a woman, and being a woman has nothing to do with popping pills or meaningless hookups where I don't know that person's name or walks of shame coming home from people's houses or any of the problems that Dylan Mulvaney is espousing in this video as a beautiful way to live as a girl.
00:22:09.000So people are waking up and part of that is because of the authenticity that we're seeing on the internet at large and ordinary people being courageous enough to speak the truth.
00:22:18.000I will acknowledge that other platforms have the same venom, but TikTok has by far the youngest user base of all the major platforms.
00:22:26.000And so I think that is the concern is that an average TikTok user, I think, is like 19 years old, I think.
00:22:35.000I have some of the data here and 57% are female.
00:22:38.000And so you've been very successful on TikTok.
00:22:42.000There is apparently a right-wing community that hasn't been banned.
00:22:46.000I've tried so many times to get on TikTok, but they ban me every single time.
00:22:51.000So tell us about right-wing TikTok that isn't banned.
00:22:54.000Right-wing TikTok that isn't banned is amazingly thriving at this very moment.
00:22:59.000I have my bitter moments too, Charlie.
00:23:00.000I've been permanently banned in the early days of TikTok seven or eight times.
00:23:04.000And I like to call my account the Lazarus of TikTok accounts because it miraculously keeps coming back from the dead.
00:23:10.000You know, I don't know if I'm really supposed to talk much about this publicly, but I actually got a call a few weeks ago from an employee at TikTok asking what they can do to make the platform better for people who have values like mine.
00:23:21.000What are the problems that we're seeing in the algorithm?
00:23:23.000They want to create a fost and foster a community of freedom of speech on this platform for the 170 million Americans who use it every day.
00:23:32.000And as to this younger age side of things, I think it's really important that we are forgetting a major part of this conversation at the national debate on whether or not to ban TikTok, particularly in the vein of saving the children, which a lot of members of Congress and now our president of the United States claim is their reasoning behind wanting to erase this platform from the United States.
00:23:54.000Where are parents involved in the education and upbringing and value setting for their children?
00:24:00.000I can't go to a restaurant today without seeing a family that each child has an iPad sitting around the table because parents want to do the lazy, easy button mode of raising their children.
00:24:10.000And I think the same can be said for social media.
00:24:13.000The government should never, never, ever take on the role of parenting, ever.
00:24:17.000And I fear that we've done that and we've been complacent in that in education.
00:24:22.000And now, of course, we're seeing that with social media as well.
00:24:25.000So it's awfully encouraging to see parents step up and take ownership of the value setting for their family and forming a strong lifestyle for their children to choose as they continue growing up.
00:24:35.000But I sure as heck don't trust the government to educate children.
00:24:38.000I don't trust them to entertain children.
00:24:40.000So I shouldn't trust them to determine what content on the internet is good or bad for children either.
00:24:45.000So the, you know, the audience is very tilted against TikTok, but I still, I don't like the piece of legislation because I think it could be used against other things.
00:24:54.000The essence, I think, of the problem, though, is: do you think there's anything different with how TikTok elevates certain content or has been shown to have negative implications of people's attention span?
00:25:25.000You know, they're doing studies about this.
00:25:26.000As you know, Charlie, I was a biomedical scientist by education, so I'm incredibly nerdy reading all of these scientific studies.
00:25:33.000But people are saying in the scientific community now that use of social media in so many teenagers is looking like drug addiction for people who use it every single day.
00:25:41.000It's the same hormone loop that's going through your brain.
00:25:44.000And that's very, very damaging to growing and developing minds and bodies for the next generation.
00:25:50.000So 100% room for a great conversation about all of this.
00:25:53.000I guess I'm just having a really hard time seeing how all of these arguments are only applied to one social media platform that happens to be the most used social media platform by my generation, largely to criticize and speak up against the government from what I'm seeing using it every day.
00:26:11.000When the exact same thing could be said about meta-owned platforms of Facebook and Instagram, the exact same thing could be said about TikTok videos getting reposted on X or on YouTube shorts that have the exact same format as TikTok.
00:26:23.000This idea of the attention span and the short form content and the addiction to the platform or even the degenerate content itself absolutely merits a conversation.
00:26:32.000But we need to be very careful about how we're having this conversation.
00:26:35.000Is it silencing certain Americans because they happen to use this platform?
00:26:39.000Or is it examining a cultural shift that needs our attention desperately?
00:26:55.000We certainly have been espoused to be a godless generation and truly atheist.
00:26:59.000But maybe the biggest thing that gave me hope when writing my book was discovering that the pendulum is swinging very, very far in the opposite direction.
00:27:08.000We talk a lot about being countercultural and punk rock patriots at Turning Point USA for what young people are doing to rebel against the people who came before us.
00:27:16.000And in a society that has no sense of objective morality from God, we've essentially removed God from society entirely.
00:27:24.000Maybe the most punk rock thing one could do as a Gen Zer today is to seek purpose and meaning in God, to seek religion, to seek tradition in our religion.
00:27:42.000But by the end of 2023, over one-third of us proudly say that we believe in God and are regularly practicing our religion.
00:27:50.000Even inside of certain denominations, look at Catholicism in America today.
00:27:54.000Gen Z is the most likely demographic to say they prefer the traditional Latin mass.
00:27:59.000So not only are we seeking God, we're seeking tradition with a capital T and very rigid structure in this loose, anything goes, lukewarm Christianity society.
00:28:08.000Just last week, the TikTok pastor Cliff, who we all love talking to, did an event at Mississippi State where over 3,000 students showed up to watch him debate an atheist professor.
00:28:19.000And they had to open up three or four lecture halls in order to accommodate everyone seeking answers to these questions of what are we doing here?
00:29:10.000They know that 90% of permanent change comes from the mind, and they work on eliminating the reason you gain this weight in the first place.
00:29:16.000There's no shortcuts, pills, or injections, just solid, science-based nutrition and behavior change.
00:29:20.000And finally, probably most importantly, I lost 30 pounds.
00:30:18.000Questions like this almost every time I'm on campus with our students, and it's one of my favorite questions to answer because the big secret is that there is no secret.
00:30:27.000It just takes the courage to stand up and tell the truth in whatever capacity you can.
00:30:31.000As you know, I was pre-med in college.
00:30:33.000I never had any sort of expectation of working in social media and communications or even being an author.
00:30:39.000I wanted to be a trauma surgeon because I loved how science was rooted in the pursuit of objective truth.
00:30:45.000And while I was at Colorado State University, where I will be returning next week for a stop on my book tour, so we'll see how that reception goes.
00:30:52.000In my classes like physiology and anatomy and organic chemistry, which yes, I had to take three times.
00:30:59.000We were spending way too much time talking about my professor's political opinions and the orange white supremacist guy that just got elected to the White House rather than that pursuit of objective truth.
00:31:09.000Obviously, my life went in a very different direction.
00:31:11.000And I think a lot of that started with looking around on my campus of 33,000 people and not seeing a single outspoken person that shared my values.
00:31:20.000So I realized if no one else was going to be the first person to raise their hand in class, to set up a folding table and hand out socialism sucks buttons on campus, or to invite speakers like yourself to campus, I probably was just going to have to be the first one to do that.
00:31:33.000And we created the biggest club on campus by starting a Turning Point USA chapter with over 700 active members.
00:31:40.000We brought incredible speakers to campus, including yourself, many, many times coming back to CSU.
00:31:45.000And it really made me fall in love, again, with this idea of telling people the truth for a living.
00:31:51.000I don't do that as a scientist anymore, but I do get to do that in 15-second TikTok videos or three-hour live streams or even in writing a book.
00:31:58.000The best advice I can give you is to just hit post on anything, any crazy thing that's happening on your college campus, record yourself sitting in your dorm room and talk about what the heck your student government just did.
00:32:09.000There is no shortage of opportunities there or the crazy assignment that you just got an F on because you dared to tell the truth.
00:32:14.000You have no idea how God can use you to continue telling the truth to our generation.
00:32:19.000Final thoughts, Isabel, talk about your book, Things We Didn't Cover, Elements That You Want to Make Sure Our Audience Is Aware of.
00:32:25.000The book is called The End of the Alphabet, How Gen Z Can Save America.
00:32:29.000First and foremost, if you are a Gen Zer looking for leadership tools on how you can tell the truth in your own community, this book is for you.
00:32:36.000If you have Gen Zers who might be your kids or grandkids and you're hoping to inspire them and maybe learn a little bit more about the truth with their generation in the process, this book is for you as well.
00:32:46.000You can buy the end of the alphabet anywhere books are sold.
00:32:49.000Amazon will deliver it to your house in the same day, it looks like, according to what I saw earlier today.
00:32:54.000And I am just so, so grateful for the outpouring of support.
00:32:56.000Gen Z, let's go prove the world wrong about what they think about us.