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00:01:37.000So, Rob, I just thought it'd be fun to kind of introduce kind of TPSA Faith, what we're doing here, and kind of the mission of what we're trying to accomplish.
00:01:45.000Yeah, so Charlie, you and I, we had that conversation about two years ago, maybe three now, where we knew that if the churches didn't respond, this idea of liberty would disintegrate in our country.
00:01:57.000That as Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. said, Dr. King said, that the church is the soul of the nation.
00:02:03.000So that being said, reaching out and honoring pastors, that they're the beacons of liberty, 2 Corinthians 3.17, where the Spirit of the Lord is, there's liberty.
00:02:13.000And so we've put together a division of Turning Point where we want to provide to pastors and churches everything needed to be that beacon of liberty.
00:02:22.000And the response, I was shocked, Charlie, when you said, let's do a pastors conference, and we were thinking in San Diego, okay, we'll get a really nice venue.
00:02:43.000The church understands its responsibility.
00:02:45.000And, you know, here, the same thing is true.
00:02:49.000And we want to try to clarify some of the main questions people have and really in the short term, kick wokeism out of the church.
00:02:57.000It's devastating because if the church operates in the context of truth, and if wokeism comes in and we compromise truth because we think we're being loving, all we're doing is, you know, love without truth is hypocrisy, but truth without love is brutality.
00:03:20.000And so, you know, I want to get to some audience questions here, but just can you talk, Rob, about some of your experience?
00:03:26.000And, you know, you've been navigating this church world for quite some time.
00:03:31.000I think we are seeing a building of a remnant and an expansion of churches standing up, but it's certainly not a vast majority of the churches.
00:03:39.000You know, you and I, Charlie, were kind of shocked during the COVID deal that we thought more churches would stand up when, especially in California, when the governor said the church was non-essential, we thought there'd be a huge backlash to that, that a governor would declare the church to be non-essential, the bride of Christ.
00:03:59.000And we focused on those that were doing that, those who were not afraid of the consequences of standing for the truth.
00:04:06.000And now, one of the things I've appreciated so much among many is that you bring pastors who really were woke, but now they realize their mistake, and you put them to the front of the line.
00:04:18.000And we start to minister to them, and we're watching as they're joining this effort.
00:04:22.000And it's starting to take off substantially, to contend with wokeism, where we think that peace is the absence of conflict.
00:04:54.000Well, in one sense, it's kind of exciting because that means we're over the target when all that the opposition has is ad hominem attacks.
00:05:01.000And to label this, to make a mantra or a moniker, Christian nationalism, to somehow be a negative is shocking to me.
00:05:11.000That Christendom somehow would fold because somebody's called us Christian nationalists, that we would love Christ and we'd also love our country.
00:05:20.000And then they call us a name and we quit participating.
00:06:41.000Yeah, and they've wanted that since day one, the destruction of the freest nation on the face of the earth.
00:06:46.000This is such an anomaly in the 6,000 years of recorded history that for almost 250 years come 2026, there'll be 250 years of unprecedented freedom.
00:06:58.000And they want that wiped off the face of the earth because the lion's share of governments in the 6,000 years of recorded history is oligarchies, the few ruling the many.
00:07:07.000They hate a bottom-up form of government.
00:07:41.000He says, on these two commandments hang all the law of the prophets.
00:07:45.000So you're contending for your neighbor's welfare.
00:07:48.000Don't you want them to have a community that they don't have to be afraid at night of someone breaking in and stealing their private property?
00:07:56.000You know, from the moral law comes civil law.
00:07:58.000And when the Lord said to his disciples, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, Sadducees, and of Herod, it doesn't mean avoid politics.
00:08:06.000It means avoid the priestly and the kingly class that seeks to enslave humanity by applying law that is void of the moral law, the decalogue, because that becomes a weapon to enslave.
00:08:18.000But when the moral law is applied, it's the wise restraints that make men free.
00:08:22.000And so we're contending for the welfare.
00:08:24.000And then Matthew 16, 18, this is one I credit you with, Charlie, because you did the lion's share of the hard work to get the etymology of the clarity of this word.
00:08:34.000I knew of it, but man, you did a deep dive.
00:08:37.000The word ecclesia or ecclesia, Jesus says, upon this rock I will build my ecclesia or ecclesia.
00:08:59.000But the law is a guardian, Galatians 3, a school teacher, to point us to Christ until faith comes.
00:09:05.000So we are commanded to love our neighbors ourselves.
00:09:10.000And we want to provide for them that which is going to give them the freedom to pursue the Lord.
00:09:15.000No other nation in the history of the world takes the most powerful branch of government, the legislative body that controls the purse strings, and then limits them by saying, Nobody gets between man worshiping God.
00:10:57.000But how do you have the ability to do that?
00:10:59.000If preaching the gospel is the most important thing, wouldn't the second most important thing be protecting the government that protects the preaching of that gospel?
00:11:06.000Because that message is not being broadcast in North Korea.
00:11:13.000It's not being broadcast in some of the remnant Soviet blocks, especially China.
00:11:20.000And this broadcasting that comes from the United States is a result of that religious freedom that these pastors are enjoying but are unwilling to defend.
00:11:48.000And yet, you've done a great job, Rob.
00:11:50.000And we are at TPSA Faith of getting people that otherwise were not interested in that to begin to, but there still is a population that is resistant.
00:11:59.000Have you been able to hypothesize the psychology behind that?
00:12:03.000Because it certainly isn't biblical, it's not theological, but there's something there that seems to be the predominant view.
00:12:11.000Well, you know, the movie that TPSA Faith just sponsored, Letters American Church, you know, Eric points out that there were, I think, 17,000 evangelical pastors in Germany in 1936.
00:12:26.0003,000 of them were standing to defy the tyranny of Hitler.
00:12:31.0003,000 of them stood in the polar opposite, embracing everything of the tyrannical Hitler.
00:12:37.000And then there were 11,000 in the middle that just wanted it all to go away.
00:12:42.000And nobody in 1936 expected 6.5 million Jews to be gassed and incinerated, and over 50 million people dead from a country that was responsible for the Protestant Reformation, Martin Luther.
00:12:55.000And yet, because the church was silent and apathetic, silence in the face of evil is complicit with evil itself.
00:13:03.000You know, it says in James, he who knows the good to do and does not do it, to him it is sin.
00:13:08.000And I would say to those pastors who are apathetic, you don't have the luxury of being apathetic.
00:13:15.000When Jesus says, to allow one of these little ones to stumble, it'd be better for you to have a millstone tied around your neck and cast in the deepest ocean.
00:13:23.000And they're allowing hormone blockers, puberty blockers, these medications that are considered inhumane to be given to, yeah, Lupron, to be given to serial rapists, and they're mutilating children's bodies without parental permission.
00:13:39.000And you're telling me we don't have a purpose to defend and fight against that evil?
00:14:02.000And we need to do a better job of trying to lovingly challenge the pastors that are not yet contesting because their excuses are diminished.
00:14:11.000And they say, well, I don't want to divide my congregation, Rob.
00:14:15.000Charlie, I heard you one time answer a question similar to this when we were talking about the transgender aspect.
00:14:21.000That why aren't we more loving to the transgender community and be more accepted?
00:14:25.000That's one of the questions the audience sent in.
00:14:29.000Because your response to that was, what is loving about embracing the psychosis of a human being that is now and then sending them at a point where they're not even comprehending what they're doing to mutilate their body.
00:14:44.000And then we've been on the other end where we're fishing these folks out of the cesspool of society where they've realized they've made a tragic mistake.
00:14:52.000And they're testifying before Congress.
00:15:55.000And I encourage everybody watching this right now in Houston that if you don't yet have one of these churches, you can work with TPU Safe Faith to find one, right?
00:16:05.000And we want to encourage you that there's a better way out there.
00:16:09.000Because I can't tell you how many emails I get of people that say, yeah, you know, my pastor said there's nothing wrong with transgenderism.
00:16:31.000And the ones that have embraced the lies and have embraced it as saying that they're loving, but they've abandoned truth, those churches are struggling.
00:18:08.000So one of the things that we're going to see start to dwindle if Christians don't participate in the public square is our religious liberties.
00:18:16.000So currently, even in California, where our church resides, if a child comes in who's struggling with their identity and they're a biological male, it's not an issue what we're going to call their name.
00:18:46.000But we're not going to coddle you in those areas.
00:18:53.000We're going to speak the truth to you.
00:18:56.000And because of the indoctrination that that generation is facing, whether it be at school, they're not going to face it when they come to the church.
00:19:02.000We're going to stand firm and encourage them.
00:19:04.000And we're going to encourage the parents to do that.
00:19:06.000The parents are bombarded by the school districts to embrace this to the point where they almost are going to lose their parental rights and the child will become a ward of the state.
00:19:18.000If the church doesn't intervene right now, this is going to become more and more the norm.
00:19:24.000And we're seeing as they're contending for their children.
00:19:27.000But if we can reach them early enough and they come, they're surrounded by a community of kids.
00:19:31.000They're saying, look, we all get confused at some point or another.
00:20:59.000So just the other thing, which is that if somebody thinks they are of another sex, the most loving thing you can do is to try to get them back into alignment with the sex that God gave them.
00:23:35.000And if the church is absent, then you're going to be living under, at the very best, a secular and probably worse, Marxist or some sort of a combination of very, very sinister worldviews.
00:23:47.000You know, the Lord commanded we memorize the Decalogue, the Ten Commandments.
00:24:00.000We even have it on the facade of the Supreme Court building, although they won't tell you that.
00:24:03.000It's Moses holding the Ten Commandments.
00:24:06.000And the reason why is you would know, you would know communism is a violation of two of the Ten Commandments.
00:24:13.000Thou shalt not steal and thou shalt not covet, right?
00:24:15.000The idea of, you know, and then when you have the moral law dictating civil law, and as you clearly pointed out, the most quoted book in the world for our founders was the Bible.
00:24:30.000And the most quoted book of the Bible by our founders was Deuteronomy.
00:24:34.000Because they saw in the civil law, reflecting out of the moral law, that three to five million slaves could live together for 40 years without a police force or a standing army.
00:24:45.000Because the first five commandments is our relationship to God.
00:24:48.000Second is our relationship to each other.
00:28:51.000And we got parents that, you know, at times you don't get to pick the parents you get in this world, but you can pick the kind of parents you're going to be.
00:28:56.000Kids will say, I don't get along with my parents.
00:29:16.000You know, you and I have talked about this now that we're fathers and we're also sons.
00:29:25.000And we look and we're making decisions and we start thinking, you know, it wasn't as easy for my dad as I thought it was now that I'm in his shoes.
00:34:21.000You had a thick book on philosophers that you were devouring in the green room.
00:34:27.000And I've traveled with you extensively.
00:34:29.000You are constantly reading or you're taking in a podcast because you're a mouthpiece contending for the welfare of your neighbor.
00:34:40.000And you want to know the things that they're struggling with.
00:34:42.000So you're investing your life for their sake.
00:34:45.000And I don't think people realize the amount of work you put in, that the things you share with the citizens of this nation and around the world allow us to get a vision that is so helpful.
00:35:43.000I have a hard time wanting to get to vote this November because I think that the entire system and government is corrupt regardless who's in charge.
00:35:52.000Why should I, a Christian, participate in a broken system?
00:36:14.000Everything reduces to its least common denominator, but the infusion of truth and Christ in the presence of that preserves and gives people time to be pointed to Christ.
00:37:28.000How can I help my middle school age students navigate all the cultural poisons they may encounter out there in the world from a biblical perspective?
00:37:36.000As a youth leader, I'm looking to other people that are or have been youth leaders that can contend for truth, but also shepherd these young souls.
00:37:46.000When I was a junior high pastor and a high school pastor, I would, at the time, before the Drudge Report became liberal, it was an aggregate where I could pull off really cool news stories, and I would pull them off and I'd put them in such a way that the kids would read them, and then I'd have the scriptures and say, okay, let's debate this.
00:38:06.000And they'd have so much fun because they weren't doing it in their schools and they couldn't wrap their mind around a Christian response to these issues.
00:38:14.000The drudge isn't going to work for that anymore.
00:38:16.000What I would say is citizenfreepress.com.
00:38:50.000Or one that's simple is where they showed the tweet or the ex of the biological male at the basketball game in the East Coast state where three of these girls were injured in the game.
00:39:44.000When you hear Benjamin Franklin's speech when he called for three days of fasting and prayer, and he says, you know, we've searched history and we haven't found a government suitable enough.
00:39:56.000And they come to a place where they broke away for three days of fasting and prayer, came back with this bicameral legislature, lower house, upper house, Congress, Senate.
00:40:34.000That's what made America so profound, is it was a government designed on how do we allow the human being to flourish in a relationship with the living God.
00:40:45.000Four times in our birth certificate, God is listed.
00:40:49.000And then you get to the Constitution where the seven articles are all designed not to give us rights, but to protect the rights given to us by God.
00:40:56.000That anyone who would govern by our permission would be constrained by those seven articles so they couldn't usurp our authority.
00:43:20.000And now the grandkids in California, because of the draconian tyrannical measures of the governor, Governor Ussolini, my daughter's chosen a different route.
00:43:30.000We've learned a lot from Heidi St. John, what she does up in Washington, because Governor Isley's terrible.
00:43:35.000And they've created a homeschooling kind of co-op that flies under the radar that the state can't attack them.
00:43:41.000And so we find that the kids that are homeschooled are far better educated than those going through public school because public school in California now is just simply indoctrination.
00:43:56.000You find time for things that are important.
00:43:58.000Michelle and I raised five kids on a pastor's salary in the most expensive state.
00:44:02.000And we lived in the third most expensive place in the world to live, the Silicon Valley, during the dot-com where you couldn't find a, we lived in a windowless apartment.
00:45:20.000Charlie, what has personally motivated you to advocate for the engagement of the church in the public square and how has your faith influenced your approach to political and social issues?
00:45:28.000My faith influences everything, as it should, every decision, every view.
00:45:32.000And yeah, look, we launched TPUSA Faith largely because Rob and I were kind of mystified by the lack of churches that remained open during COVID.
00:45:42.000And on this, you know, where I sit here for this show, I wasn't in this chair, but a chair very similar to it, I made a prediction that all the churches were going to resist government tyranny.
00:45:51.000The worst prediction in radio history.
00:45:53.000It was the worst prediction in the history of American podcasting.
00:45:55.000There is no second or third place that doesn't even come close.