The Charlie Kirk Show - How God Judges Nations

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00:01:34.000 This is my pastor, Rob McCoy.

00:01:36.000 Good to be here, Rob.

00:01:37.000 So, Rob, I just thought it'd be fun to kind of introduce kind of TPSA Faith, what we're doing here, and kind of the mission of what we're trying to accomplish.

00:01:37.000 Charlie.

00:01:45.000 Yeah, so Charlie, you and I, we had that conversation about two years ago, maybe three now, where we knew that if the churches didn't respond, this idea of liberty would disintegrate in our country.

00:01:57.000 That as Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. said, Dr. King said, that the church is the soul of the nation.

00:02:03.000 So that being said, reaching out and honoring pastors, that they're the beacons of liberty, 2 Corinthians 3.17, where the Spirit of the Lord is, there's liberty.

00:02:13.000 And so we've put together a division of Turning Point where we want to provide to pastors and churches everything needed to be that beacon of liberty.

00:02:22.000 And the response, I was shocked, Charlie, when you said, let's do a pastors conference, and we were thinking in San Diego, okay, we'll get a really nice venue.

00:02:31.000 Maybe we'll get 250 pastors.

00:02:33.000 Blew the doors off.

00:02:34.000 And now we're just, we're on our third and it's standing room only.

00:02:39.000 And we have over 3,000 partner churches.

00:02:41.000 That's just unbelievable.

00:02:43.000 The church understands its responsibility.

00:02:45.000 And, you know, here, the same thing is true.

00:02:49.000 And we want to try to clarify some of the main questions people have and really in the short term, kick wokeism out of the church.

00:02:57.000 It's devastating because if the church operates in the context of truth, and if wokeism comes in and we compromise truth because we think we're being loving, all we're doing is, you know, love without truth is hypocrisy, but truth without love is brutality.

00:03:15.000 There's a balance.

00:03:16.000 Speak the truth and love.

00:03:18.000 And you've been doing that so well.

00:03:20.000 And so, you know, I want to get to some audience questions here, but just can you talk, Rob, about some of your experience?

00:03:26.000 And, you know, you've been navigating this church world for quite some time.

00:03:31.000 I think we are seeing a building of a remnant and an expansion of churches standing up, but it's certainly not a vast majority of the churches.

00:03:39.000 That's true.

00:03:39.000 You know, you and I, Charlie, were kind of shocked during the COVID deal that we thought more churches would stand up when, especially in California, when the governor said the church was non-essential, we thought there'd be a huge backlash to that, that a governor would declare the church to be non-essential, the bride of Christ.

00:03:57.000 But a handful did.

00:03:59.000 And we focused on those that were doing that, those who were not afraid of the consequences of standing for the truth.

00:04:06.000 And now, one of the things I've appreciated so much among many is that you bring pastors who really were woke, but now they realize their mistake, and you put them to the front of the line.

00:04:18.000 And we start to minister to them, and we're watching as they're joining this effort.

00:04:22.000 And it's starting to take off substantially, to contend with wokeism, where we think that peace is the absence of conflict.

00:04:30.000 That's not what peace is.

00:04:31.000 Peace is the presence of Christ in the midst of the conflict.

00:04:34.000 We're contending for lives and communities that are being devastated by lies and deceit.

00:04:40.000 Amen.

00:04:41.000 And so, Rob, how do you personally handle this kind of mounting narrative of Christian nationalism?

00:04:48.000 It's building.

00:04:49.000 There's a lot of secular forces that are trying to throw that label at us.

00:04:53.000 Yeah.

00:04:54.000 Well, in one sense, it's kind of exciting because that means we're over the target when all that the opposition has is ad hominem attacks.

00:05:01.000 And to label this, to make a mantra or a moniker, Christian nationalism, to somehow be a negative is shocking to me.

00:05:11.000 That Christendom somehow would fold because somebody's called us Christian nationalists, that we would love Christ and we'd also love our country.

00:05:20.000 And then they call us a name and we quit participating.

00:05:22.000 I mean, come on.

00:05:23.000 You can love two things at the same time.

00:05:25.000 I love my wife and I love the Lord.

00:05:30.000 Considering 80 cents of every dollar in evangelism comes from the United States of America.

00:05:34.000 I love this.

00:05:35.000 This worldwide is the financier of global evangelism.

00:05:38.000 I love my country.

00:05:39.000 I love the freedom that this country possesses.

00:05:42.000 I love the first 16 words of the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights.

00:05:46.000 Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof. 0.65

00:05:52.000 That doesn't exist in North Korea.

00:05:53.000 It doesn't exist in communist China.

00:05:56.000 We have that in America.

00:05:57.000 I love this country.

00:05:58.000 Does that make me a Christian nationalist?

00:06:00.000 The Apostle Paul declared his Roman citizenship.

00:06:02.000 He's a nationalist.

00:06:03.000 He's a Christian nationalist.

00:06:05.000 He knew the laws of Rome better than most people know the laws of America.

00:06:09.000 So Abraham Lincoln would be a Christian nationalist.

00:06:12.000 George Washington would be a Christian nationalist.

00:06:14.000 Hey, listen, they're going to call you names.

00:06:16.000 Don't just fold because someone calls you a name.

00:06:19.000 You know, embrace it.

00:06:20.000 This is what we do.

00:06:21.000 We're contending for the freedom and the protection of the freest nation on the face of the earth.

00:06:26.000 Why do you think they're really trying to launch that narrative right now?

00:06:29.000 What do you think is behind that?

00:06:31.000 Well, what's behind it is they are the antithesis of someone who loves their country.

00:06:35.000 They want America destroyed. 0.71

00:06:37.000 The whole purpose, the enemy comes to steal, kill, and destroy.

00:06:40.000 John 10.

00:06:41.000 Yeah, and they've wanted that since day one, the destruction of the freest nation on the face of the earth.

00:06:46.000 This is such an anomaly in the 6,000 years of recorded history that for almost 250 years come 2026, there'll be 250 years of unprecedented freedom.

00:06:58.000 And they want that wiped off the face of the earth because the lion's share of governments in the 6,000 years of recorded history is oligarchies, the few ruling the many.

00:07:07.000 They hate a bottom-up form of government.

00:07:09.000 They hate the freedom of man.

00:07:11.000 We are saddles that the elites want to ride.

00:07:14.000 And that's just not going to happen on our watch.

00:07:16.000 So for some people watching, they say, you know, I think I want to be involved in this, but I'm new to this church or this event.

00:07:22.000 And my pastor doesn't emphasize this stuff.

00:07:26.000 What theological and biblical basis can we give people that you should contest for your country?

00:07:30.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:07:31.000 You know, I'll give you what Jesus said when he was confronted with, you know, what's the great commandment?

00:07:36.000 He says, love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, strength, and mind, and love your neighbor as yourself.

00:07:40.000 And then he says this.

00:07:41.000 He says, on these two commandments hang all the law of the prophets.

00:07:45.000 So you're contending for your neighbor's welfare.

00:07:48.000 Don't you want them to have a community that they don't have to be afraid at night of someone breaking in and stealing their private property?

00:07:56.000 You know, from the moral law comes civil law.

00:07:58.000 And when the Lord said to his disciples, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, Sadducees, and of Herod, it doesn't mean avoid politics. 0.95

00:08:06.000 It means avoid the priestly and the kingly class that seeks to enslave humanity by applying law that is void of the moral law, the decalogue, because that becomes a weapon to enslave. 0.92

00:08:18.000 But when the moral law is applied, it's the wise restraints that make men free. 1.00

00:08:22.000 And so we're contending for the welfare.

00:08:24.000 And then Matthew 16, 18, this is one I credit you with, Charlie, because you did the lion's share of the hard work to get the etymology of the clarity of this word.

00:08:34.000 I knew of it, but man, you did a deep dive.

00:08:37.000 The word ecclesia or ecclesia, Jesus says, upon this rock I will build my ecclesia or ecclesia.

00:08:44.000 It doesn't mean church.

00:08:45.000 That didn't come to hundreds of years later.

00:08:46.000 It means public square, city hall, even Tyndale translated assembly.

00:08:50.000 And for that word, he was hung and his remains were burned.

00:08:52.000 We are to contend in the public square for the welfare of our neighbor.

00:08:57.000 And the law doesn't save.

00:08:58.000 We're not saying that.

00:08:59.000 But the law is a guardian, Galatians 3, a school teacher, to point us to Christ until faith comes.

00:09:05.000 So we are commanded to love our neighbors ourselves.

00:09:10.000 And we want to provide for them that which is going to give them the freedom to pursue the Lord.

00:09:15.000 No other nation in the history of the world takes the most powerful branch of government, the legislative body that controls the purse strings, and then limits them by saying, Nobody gets between man worshiping God.

00:09:28.000 Congress shall make no law.

00:09:29.000 It's prohibitive and angry.

00:09:31.000 And that's the beauty of America.

00:09:33.000 We have the freedom to pursue God.

00:09:35.000 Last part.

00:09:36.000 You and I, Charlie, as you know, will be judged before the Lord individually, whether or not we're covered by the blood of Christ.

00:09:43.000 But nations will be judged corporately.

00:09:45.000 That's right.

00:09:46.000 And Jesus says, go and make disciples.

00:09:49.000 He didn't say make converts.

00:09:50.000 He said, make disciples.

00:09:50.000 He didn't just say, make disciples.

00:09:52.000 He said, make disciples of all nations.

00:09:54.000 Boundaries, borders, constitutions, you know, ideologies.

00:09:59.000 Nations will be judged on whether or not their citizens had the ability to pursue and seek the living God.

00:10:05.000 That's what we should be contending for.

00:10:06.000 And so at the root of the lack of concern, where do you think that comes from?

00:10:11.000 Not the ones that are radical.

00:10:12.000 We could talk about that later.

00:10:14.000 But just some of the pastors that don't seem compelled or convinced to ever mention these.

00:10:20.000 They say, I only do the gospel.

00:10:22.000 An objection you've heard nauseatingly amount of times, right?

00:10:26.000 Yeah, that gospel is truncated and myopic.

00:10:29.000 And what I mean by that is, I believe most pastors are saying, do you believe in the death, burial, resurrection of Christ?

00:10:35.000 That Christ was crucified, buried, and rose on the third day.

00:10:39.000 If you believe in your heart, confess with your tongue that Jesus is Lord, you will be saved to the glory of the Father.

00:10:44.000 And he casts your sins as far as the east is from the west to be remembered no more.

00:10:47.000 That's the kind of a synopsis of the gospel.

00:10:50.000 And so they avoid everything else in order to put that forward.

00:10:55.000 Well, okay.

00:10:57.000 But how do you have the ability to do that?

00:10:59.000 If preaching the gospel is the most important thing, wouldn't the second most important thing be protecting the government that protects the preaching of that gospel?

00:11:06.000 Because that message is not being broadcast in North Korea.

00:11:13.000 It's not being broadcast in some of the remnant Soviet blocks, especially China. 0.97

00:11:17.000 You'll be put to death for that.

00:11:20.000 And this broadcasting that comes from the United States is a result of that religious freedom that these pastors are enjoying but are unwilling to defend.

00:11:28.000 That's right.

00:11:30.000 That's unconscionable and that's unacceptable.

00:11:33.000 You know, these liberties were secured as men and women bled and died defending these liberties.

00:11:39.000 And the church is to be the beacon of that liberty because liberty is not man's idea.

00:11:43.000 It's God's idea.

00:11:44.000 Why would we not contend for that?

00:11:48.000 And yet, you've done a great job, Rob.

00:11:50.000 And we are at TPSA Faith of getting people that otherwise were not interested in that to begin to, but there still is a population that is resistant.

00:11:59.000 Have you been able to hypothesize the psychology behind that?

00:12:03.000 Because it certainly isn't biblical, it's not theological, but there's something there that seems to be the predominant view.

00:12:11.000 Well, you know, the movie that TPSA Faith just sponsored, Letters American Church, you know, Eric points out that there were, I think, 17,000 evangelical pastors in Germany in 1936.

00:12:11.000 Yeah.

00:12:26.000 3,000 of them were standing to defy the tyranny of Hitler. 0.71

00:12:31.000 3,000 of them stood in the polar opposite, embracing everything of the tyrannical Hitler. 0.81

00:12:37.000 And then there were 11,000 in the middle that just wanted it all to go away. 0.78

00:12:42.000 And nobody in 1936 expected 6.5 million Jews to be gassed and incinerated, and over 50 million people dead from a country that was responsible for the Protestant Reformation, Martin Luther. 0.60

00:12:55.000 And yet, because the church was silent and apathetic, silence in the face of evil is complicit with evil itself. 0.55

00:13:02.000 Yes.

00:13:03.000 You know, it says in James, he who knows the good to do and does not do it, to him it is sin.

00:13:08.000 And I would say to those pastors who are apathetic, you don't have the luxury of being apathetic.

00:13:15.000 When Jesus says, to allow one of these little ones to stumble, it'd be better for you to have a millstone tied around your neck and cast in the deepest ocean.

00:13:23.000 And they're allowing hormone blockers, puberty blockers, these medications that are considered inhumane to be given to, yeah, Lupron, to be given to serial rapists, and they're mutilating children's bodies without parental permission.

00:13:39.000 And you're telling me we don't have a purpose to defend and fight against that evil?

00:13:46.000 It's unconscionable and unacceptable.

00:13:48.000 And you know the good to do.

00:13:49.000 And if you don't do it, it's sin, and you'll be held accountable.

00:13:53.000 And God forbid, as a steward of the bride of Christ, you're not contending for the welfare of those kids.

00:13:59.000 Come on.

00:14:00.000 It's very rational, obviously, to me.

00:14:02.000 And we need to do a better job of trying to lovingly challenge the pastors that are not yet contesting because their excuses are diminished.

00:14:11.000 And they say, well, I don't want to divide my congregation, Rob.

00:14:15.000 Charlie, I heard you one time answer a question similar to this when we were talking about the transgender aspect.

00:14:21.000 That why aren't we more loving to the transgender community and be more accepted?

00:14:25.000 That's one of the questions the audience sent in.

00:14:26.000 Oh, really?

00:14:27.000 Well, that's great.

00:14:29.000 Because your response to that was, what is loving about embracing the psychosis of a human being that is now and then sending them at a point where they're not even comprehending what they're doing to mutilate their body.

00:14:44.000 And then we've been on the other end where we're fishing these folks out of the cesspool of society where they've realized they've made a tragic mistake.

00:14:52.000 And they're testifying before Congress.

00:14:52.000 Yes.

00:14:55.000 Chloe Cole, all these amazing people.

00:14:56.000 Yeah, amazing people.

00:14:57.000 And they're the backlash because the only truth is never afraid of a lie.

00:15:05.000 But a lie can't survive in the presence of truth.

00:15:07.000 So they have to shut folks like that down in order to put forward their propaganda, which is the lie.

00:15:12.000 They have to silence, you know, by censorship the truth in order to put forward the lie, which is the propaganda.

00:15:19.000 And pastors are supposed, we are supposed to be about truth.

00:15:23.000 Yes.

00:15:25.000 Christ is the way, the truth, and the life.

00:15:29.000 We are representing him.

00:15:31.000 And, you know, the third commandment is: don't bear false witness.

00:15:35.000 Don't profess yourself to be a Christian and yet don't and avoid defending truth.

00:15:43.000 Yeah, we're going to get to the trans issue in a second.

00:15:46.000 And I will say, though, can we just brag on a second though, Rob, how many great pastors out there we have made friendships with?

00:15:53.000 Because there is a remnant.

00:15:55.000 And I encourage everybody watching this right now in Houston that if you don't yet have one of these churches, you can work with TPU Safe Faith to find one, right?

00:16:03.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:16:05.000 And we want to encourage you that there's a better way out there.

00:16:09.000 Because I can't tell you how many emails I get of people that say, yeah, you know, my pastor said there's nothing wrong with transgenderism.

00:16:16.000 And I just said, you deserve better.

00:16:18.000 You deserve better.

00:16:20.000 And churches that have stood in opposition to the cacophony of noise from the secular left, their churches have exploded.

00:16:29.000 They flourished.

00:16:31.000 And the ones that have embraced the lies and have embraced it as saying that they're loving, but they've abandoned truth, those churches are struggling.

00:16:39.000 Yes, they are.

00:16:40.000 And like you say, we get calls all the time.

00:16:42.000 I can't tell you how many calls I just get personally.

00:16:45.000 We're moving to so-and-so.

00:16:46.000 Do you know of a church that's like God speaks?

00:16:48.000 All the time.

00:16:49.000 All the time.

00:16:50.000 People are hungry and they're just looking for leadership.

00:16:53.000 And God bless these pastors that were doing it all by themselves.

00:16:56.000 And as you began to travel the country and finding them, we found so many.

00:17:00.000 I know it's like a quilt now, this patchwork.

00:17:02.000 All right, let's get to some of your questions here.

00:17:04.000 You guys can also email them and submit them, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:17:10.000 Shouldn't the church be more loving towards the transgender community?

00:17:13.000 How can we better love them?

00:17:14.000 So let's, first of all, the question implies we're not currently loving towards them, which I don't accept the premise of the question.

00:17:22.000 I actually think churches are doing a pretty good job of having love and truth.

00:17:26.000 I don't feel that there is an unloving posture at all.

00:17:31.000 And we did see in Houston recently a trans individual who went into Joel Olstein's church with the intent for mass murder.

00:17:38.000 Mass murder. 1.00

00:17:39.000 And thankfully that did not transpire.

00:17:41.000 I believe someone did lose their life, but it could have been much, much worse.

00:17:45.000 So, Rob, you run a church.

00:17:49.000 How do you handle this issue on the micro?

00:17:52.000 Let's just say, theoretically, a parent comes up to you, Sue is, you know, Sally Sue Maria is now Johnny.

00:17:58.000 How is you as a pastor handle that and a parent's asking you for help?

00:18:02.000 They're saying, Rob, you're my pastor.

00:18:05.000 My kid grew up in this church.

00:18:07.000 Help me.

00:18:08.000 So one of the things that we're going to see start to dwindle if Christians don't participate in the public square is our religious liberties.

00:18:16.000 So currently, even in California, where our church resides, if a child comes in who's struggling with their identity and they're a biological male, it's not an issue what we're going to call their name.

00:18:28.000 They can go by any name they want. 0.77

00:18:29.000 But if they're wanting to use, if they're a biological male and they want to use the women's bathroom, that's just not going to work. 0.96

00:18:35.000 It's not going to work with us. 0.93

00:18:37.000 We recognize two genders: there's male and female. 0.98

00:18:40.000 That's how God created it. 0.59

00:18:41.000 That's what we teach.

00:18:42.000 You're going to have some confusion.

00:18:44.000 We're going to walk you through that.

00:18:46.000 But we're not going to coddle you in those areas.

00:18:53.000 We're going to speak the truth to you.

00:18:56.000 And because of the indoctrination that that generation is facing, whether it be at school, they're not going to face it when they come to the church.

00:19:02.000 We're going to stand firm and encourage them.

00:19:04.000 And we're going to encourage the parents to do that.

00:19:06.000 The parents are bombarded by the school districts to embrace this to the point where they almost are going to lose their parental rights and the child will become a ward of the state.

00:19:18.000 If the church doesn't intervene right now, this is going to become more and more the norm.

00:19:24.000 And we're seeing as they're contending for their children.

00:19:27.000 But if we can reach them early enough and they come, they're surrounded by a community of kids.

00:19:31.000 They're saying, look, we all get confused at some point or another.

00:19:35.000 Adolescence is confusing.

00:19:37.000 But you're not going to mutilate your body.

00:19:39.000 We're just not going to do that.

00:19:40.000 Yeah, and I will add to that.

00:19:42.000 Everyone should check it out.

00:19:42.000 There's a great book.

00:19:44.000 It's called Lost in Transnation by Dr. Miriam Grossman.

00:19:48.000 She is amazing.

00:19:49.000 She is.

00:19:50.000 If you're a parent and your kid comes to you and they say they are of a different gender, that first conversation is very important. 0.63

00:19:58.000 You can freak out later. 0.67

00:19:59.000 Don't freak out with your kid in that conversation.

00:20:01.000 Just be immensely curious.

00:20:03.000 At the end of the conversation, though, you have to be clear.

00:20:06.000 You're not going to use those pronouns that they want to use, but you can say, we can revisit the conversation later.

00:20:11.000 So you've got to be super firm but fair and loving.

00:20:14.000 And that first conversation matters a lot. 0.97

00:20:16.000 And just to reiterate, you cannot change your sex.

00:20:19.000 You could change your appearance. 0.75

00:20:19.000 That's right. 0.75

00:20:22.000 You can enhance your personality.

00:20:26.000 You can try to change your parts.

00:20:27.000 Good luck with that. 0.61

00:20:28.000 But you can't change who you actually are. 1.00

00:20:30.000 This is part of the false myth and one of the destructive narratives embedded in the transgender ideology. 1.00

00:20:38.000 That's right. 1.00

00:20:38.000 And it is an ideology. 1.00

00:20:40.000 And they wonder why there's so much violence that's occurring.

00:20:44.000 I mean, this segment with the psychosis that they have, it results in violent behavior.

00:20:49.000 Yes.

00:20:50.000 I mean, that's what happened in Tennessee with the shooting there in the Christian school.

00:20:53.000 And you couple that with SSRIs and Prozac and benzodiazepins.

00:20:58.000 It's Cray Cray.

00:20:59.000 So just the other thing, which is that if somebody thinks they are of another sex, the most loving thing you can do is to try to get them back into alignment with the sex that God gave them.

00:21:10.000 So let's go to this here.

00:21:10.000 That's right.

00:21:13.000 So this one, Rob or Charlie, love what you guys do.

00:21:13.000 All right.

00:21:18.000 Thank you guys.

00:21:19.000 Can you explain why it's crucial for the church to be actively involved in politics?

00:21:23.000 I know you touched on this earlier.

00:21:24.000 I'm constantly being told by my church pastor we shouldn't do anything but preach the gospel.

00:21:29.000 They say that Trump is bad, that Biden is bad.

00:21:31.000 There's no difference between the two parties, that we shouldn't fight for abortion.

00:21:35.000 We should just try to win souls and win the lost.

00:21:38.000 I know it's kind of a very similar flavor of the same question, right?

00:21:42.000 It is.

00:21:43.000 Okay, so as you and I have both done our homework, politics, as we know from Aristotle, is the highest form of community.

00:21:50.000 It combines morality with sociability.

00:21:52.000 And I always say when I'm speaking to pastors, if God didn't intend us to be in politics, he wouldn't have invented marriage.

00:21:58.000 Because you have, you know, to celebrate a birthday, you got to stay alive.

00:22:01.000 To celebrate an anniversary, you got to stop from killing each other.

00:22:03.000 You've got to have rules of engagement, how to get along.

00:22:06.000 And that's going to be in marriage.

00:22:07.000 That's going to be in a church board meeting.

00:22:08.000 That's going to be in a family.

00:22:10.000 That's going to be in a community, in a society.

00:22:12.000 You have rules of the road, how to get along.

00:22:15.000 Who's writing those rules?

00:22:16.000 And does it give man freedom or is it enslavement? 0.86

00:22:20.000 And why wouldn't Christians participate?

00:22:21.000 And here's the problem: pastors say that politics is dirty, and it is a blood sport.

00:22:28.000 I mean, I've run four campaigns, I've won three of them.

00:22:31.000 It's hard.

00:22:32.000 It's a nasty enterprise.

00:22:33.000 It is a nasty enterprise. 0.70

00:22:34.000 But yeah, politics is dirty, but so is the church.

00:22:37.000 And we don't give up on the church, right?

00:22:39.000 And they say, well, I'm tired of voting for the lesser of two evils.

00:22:42.000 You know, Republican, Democrat, they're all the same.

00:22:44.000 Well, yes and no.

00:22:47.000 There seems to be an elitist, globalist mindset that covers both of the parties.

00:22:54.000 And then there's the common guy like you and me.

00:22:57.000 So we have the common man contending with the globalist.

00:23:00.000 But in the same regard, yeah, they do seem to be the same.

00:23:04.000 But you say, I'm tired of voting for the lesser two evils.

00:23:07.000 Unless Jesus is running for office, you're always voting for the lesser of two evils.

00:23:10.000 That doesn't give you the right to abdicate your responsibility to contend for the welfare of your neighbor.

00:23:16.000 Yes.

00:23:17.000 That's our job.

00:23:18.000 That's our command.

00:23:19.000 The Lord said that's a commandment to love your neighbors yourself.

00:23:22.000 Leviticus 19, 18, or whatever it is.

00:23:25.000 Yeah.

00:23:25.000 And the other part that I would argue is that somebody's going to write the laws, as Rob says, but by what morality?

00:23:33.000 By what moral standard?

00:23:35.000 And if the church is absent, then you're going to be living under, at the very best, a secular and probably worse, Marxist or some sort of a combination of very, very sinister worldviews.

00:23:47.000 You know, the Lord commanded we memorize the Decalogue, the Ten Commandments.

00:23:51.000 He commanded that.

00:23:52.000 And to teach our children and our grandchildren.

00:23:55.000 And placed it in the center of the community.

00:23:57.000 And outside every home.

00:23:58.000 And outside every home.

00:24:00.000 We even have it on the facade of the Supreme Court building, although they won't tell you that.

00:24:03.000 It's Moses holding the Ten Commandments.

00:24:06.000 And the reason why is you would know, you would know communism is a violation of two of the Ten Commandments.

00:24:13.000 Thou shalt not steal and thou shalt not covet, right?

00:24:15.000 The idea of, you know, and then when you have the moral law dictating civil law, and as you clearly pointed out, the most quoted book in the world for our founders was the Bible.

00:24:30.000 And the most quoted book of the Bible by our founders was Deuteronomy.

00:24:34.000 Because they saw in the civil law, reflecting out of the moral law, that three to five million slaves could live together for 40 years without a police force or a standing army.

00:24:45.000 Because the first five commandments is our relationship to God.

00:24:48.000 Second is our relationship to each other.

00:24:49.000 That is politics.

00:24:50.000 That's community.

00:24:52.000 And then you establish civil law, the protection of private property.

00:24:56.000 Take out the moral law.

00:24:58.000 The civil law just becomes arbitrary.

00:25:01.000 And the governor can say, hey, church is non-essential. 1.00

00:25:04.000 Hey, we're going to kill Jews. 1.00

00:25:06.000 Hey, they're rats. 1.00

00:25:08.000 Who gives you the authority? 0.99

00:25:09.000 I'm my own God.

00:25:10.000 There's no absolutes.

00:25:12.000 Do you believe that?

00:25:12.000 Absolutely.

00:25:13.000 That's a joke.

00:25:14.000 But here we have.

00:25:16.000 And you know what, Charlie?

00:25:17.000 How many folks know the Ten Commandments?

00:25:20.000 You know, that's actually really quick.

00:25:21.000 Very few.

00:25:22.000 The next question is: they're asking if we can riff through all 10.

00:25:25.000 Oh, yeah.

00:25:26.000 And just kind of like, you know, do a little teaching on it.

00:25:29.000 All the illustrations are finished for my children's book.

00:25:31.000 And I'm getting ready to.

00:25:32.000 Do you have a children's book?

00:25:33.000 On the Ten Commandments.

00:25:33.000 Yeah.

00:25:34.000 No way.

00:25:35.000 Seriously, because I kind of put this together.

00:25:38.000 I've watched a couple of videos, but this one is kind of unique to me.

00:25:41.000 But, okay, so you put up one finger, there's only one God.

00:25:44.000 And then you put up two fingers and bend the second one.

00:25:46.000 Don't bow down.

00:25:46.000 No idols.

00:25:47.000 Three, put it over your mouth.

00:25:48.000 Don't take the name of the Lord your God in vain.

00:25:50.000 Four is make a pillow, honor the Sabbath day.

00:25:53.000 Five, salute, honor your mother and father.

00:25:56.000 Add six, and you got a gun.

00:25:58.000 Don't murder, right?

00:25:59.000 Seven is my favorite.

00:26:00.000 Is this unique to you?

00:26:01.000 Yeah, it's an amalgamation, I should say.

00:26:06.000 So seven is it's don't commit adultery.

00:26:08.000 There's two in a marriage, not five, right?

00:26:11.000 And then you take this and you hide the thumbs when you do eight, and you say, don't steal, because you get your thumbs cut off.

00:26:16.000 Okay.

00:26:17.000 Five is a little easier.

00:26:18.000 Just it's five, not four, or four, not five.

00:26:21.000 Don't bear false witness.

00:26:22.000 And then this one is don't covet.

00:26:24.000 That's good.

00:26:24.000 That's it.

00:26:25.000 That's the decalogue.

00:26:27.000 You apply those everywhere you go in life and every decision you make.

00:26:31.000 Uh-uh.

00:26:31.000 No, no, no, no.

00:26:32.000 Put that back.

00:26:33.000 You can't, you're not allowed to steal.

00:26:35.000 You're not allowed to steal.

00:26:38.000 I'm going to work today.

00:26:39.000 Have you had a Sabbath day?

00:26:40.000 Have you had any rest?

00:26:41.000 Because, Charlie, you know what it's like.

00:26:42.000 If you don't rest, you're cooked.

00:26:44.000 For six days you shall work.

00:26:44.000 I know.

00:26:45.000 For one day you shall rest.

00:26:46.000 And you have proven the effectiveness of that.

00:26:49.000 You shut off social media.

00:26:51.000 I shut off everything.

00:26:52.000 And it revolutionized your ability of productivity.

00:26:55.000 It extends the shelf life.

00:26:57.000 It's profound.

00:26:57.000 It does.

00:26:59.000 You know, honor your mother and father.

00:27:01.000 If you can learn how to submit to earthly parents who are flawed, you'll have no problem with a boss.

00:27:06.000 Talk about how that's the bridge between the God and the human, and it's there intentionally.

00:27:11.000 It is because he's our heavenly father.

00:27:13.000 It applies to both.

00:27:14.000 Right.

00:27:14.000 You know, you look at Ephesians 5 and 6, which is the structure of the family.

00:27:19.000 It says submitting to one another in the fear of God.

00:27:21.000 Wives, submit to your husbands under the Lord.

00:27:23.000 Husbands love your wives as Christ love the church.

00:27:25.000 Children, obey your parents with the commandment.

00:27:27.000 The only commandment comes with a promise, you'll live long in the earth and the land in which I've given you.

00:27:31.000 So you've got four levels.

00:27:33.000 You've got God, husband, wife, kids.

00:27:36.000 The weakest has the most levels of protection.

00:27:39.000 And that's intentional by the Lord.

00:27:42.000 But here's the one, you know, folks say, like a wife, you know, the patriarchy, wives submit to your husbands.

00:27:48.000 I mean, that's such a patriarchal thing.

00:27:50.000 Okay.

00:27:51.000 There's a structure to a family of followers and isn't any greater than the leader and the leader's not greater than the followers.

00:27:58.000 You're a structure of a family.

00:28:00.000 That's what it is. 0.98

00:28:01.000 And there's not a man on the earth who's worthy of a wife's submission.

00:28:06.000 I mean, we're flawed. 0.74

00:28:08.000 We're train wrecks.

00:28:09.000 But that doesn't change the fact that God, who is worthy of submission, has commanded you to submit.

00:28:15.000 So you're not submitting to the flawed man.

00:28:17.000 You're submitting to the Lord who's asking you to submit to the man.

00:28:21.000 That's easier to do because you say, okay, Lord, you'll work something out of this.

00:28:27.000 And there's a level.

00:28:28.000 You don't submit if he's calling you to break the law or violate the law.

00:28:33.000 And that's why Romans 13 doesn't even apply with the church, that God appoints all positions of authority.

00:28:38.000 We're to submit to that.

00:28:39.000 But it also says they're there for our good.

00:28:41.000 If they cease to do good, they cease to be the authority.

00:28:45.000 So this is that bridge that honor your mother and father.

00:28:49.000 Well, he's our heavenly father.

00:28:51.000 And we got parents that, you know, at times you don't get to pick the parents you get in this world, but you can pick the kind of parents you're going to be.

00:28:56.000 Kids will say, I don't get along with my parents.

00:28:58.000 Yeah.

00:28:59.000 Yeah.

00:29:00.000 Well, you don't have to get along with them.

00:29:02.000 Just obey them.

00:29:03.000 Just honor them.

00:29:05.000 And the word honor means heavy in Hebrew, just like the word to curse is light. 0.88

00:29:10.000 So you just must treat them with heaviness, with significance.

00:29:13.000 Yeah, they have substance.

00:29:16.000 You know, you and I have talked about this now that we're fathers and we're also sons.

00:29:25.000 And we look and we're making decisions and we start thinking, you know, it wasn't as easy for my dad as I thought it was now that I'm in his shoes.

00:29:33.000 Your dad's still living.

00:29:33.000 And my dad's past.

00:29:35.000 And there are times where I wish he was still here because I asked him, quick, Dad, what did you do in the season of life?

00:29:41.000 And I gain a greater respect for him the older I get.

00:29:46.000 And he raised four kids, you know, on a Navy officer's salary, which wasn't substantial.

00:29:53.000 And moving every two years.

00:29:55.000 How do you keep that family together, Dad?

00:29:56.000 Now, we weren't churchgoers.

00:29:58.000 But every time I speak of my dad, I always try to honor him.

00:30:02.000 And sometimes the best way you can honor your folks is to say, you know, I learned from my dad what not to do.

00:30:09.000 But I'm grateful God brought him into my life because he was an anvil that made me who I am.

00:30:15.000 You know, it's like eating chicken, whole chicken.

00:30:18.000 You can eat the meat and spit out the bones.

00:30:20.000 But find something.

00:30:21.000 And I guarantee you, last part, you and I are both Churchill fans.

00:30:26.000 There's a picture of him right there.

00:30:28.000 Churchill's father, Randolph Churchill, considered his son to be retarded.

00:30:33.000 He wouldn't even visit him in school and never spent a day with him.

00:30:40.000 And Churchill, the only thing Churchill ever said about his father was he regretted the fact he couldn't serve with him in parliament.

00:30:46.000 Never spoke poorly of him.

00:30:47.000 Reagan's father was an alcoholic, a drunk that he would carry in from the house.

00:30:51.000 Never once did he speak poorly about his father.

00:30:54.000 What's the point?

00:30:55.000 You're going to blame them?

00:30:57.000 Learn from them what not to do and thank the Lord that he is your heavenly father.

00:31:03.000 That's the bridge.

00:31:05.000 Anything else in the Ten Commandments that you want to mention before we go on?

00:31:08.000 And it is the Ten Statements, too, which is in Hebrew.

00:31:12.000 Well, the interesting thing is the contrast or juxtapose, I guess.

00:31:18.000 You have the Ten Commandments, which is for society.

00:31:20.000 That's for human beings because, again, the law is a school teacher, a guardian, to point us to Christ until faith comes.

00:31:26.000 We're under the laws of nature and nature's God.

00:31:28.000 You don't have to be a Christian to be governed by the law of gravity.

00:31:32.000 We're all bound by that, whether we believe in it or not.

00:31:35.000 So the decalogue is for all humanity, but the beatitudes are for the Christian, those who come to faith. 0.97

00:31:45.000 Remind people of the beatitudes.

00:31:46.000 Okay, so it's Matthew 5, 6, and 7.

00:31:48.000 Blessed, oh, how happy.

00:31:49.000 Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of God.

00:31:51.000 That's the beginning of a Christian relationship with God. 0.55

00:31:54.000 You recognize that in me that is in my flesh dwells no good thing.

00:31:57.000 I'm poor in spirit.

00:31:58.000 That's the foundation.

00:31:59.000 For yours is now the kingdom of God.

00:32:02.000 Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.

00:32:03.000 You mourn your sinful condition.

00:32:05.000 God comforts you.

00:32:07.000 There's now, therefore, no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

00:32:09.000 God has cast your sin as far as the east is from the west to be remembered no more.

00:32:13.000 And they build on one another.

00:32:15.000 Blessed are the meek.

00:32:16.000 Meek is this idea of a bit in a horse's mouth.

00:32:19.000 A small piece of metal governs this majestic beast.

00:32:22.000 You pull to the right, the beast goes to the right.

00:32:24.000 You pull, and it's governed by the master.

00:32:27.000 Your life is governed by God.

00:32:29.000 Blessed are the meek, submitted.

00:32:31.000 This beast of an animal is submitted to the righteous hand of the master. 1.00

00:32:35.000 That's for the Christian. 1.00

00:32:37.000 The decalogue is for society. 0.94

00:32:39.000 It's for all people.

00:32:40.000 What do you think is the least understood of the ten?

00:32:40.000 All people.

00:32:44.000 Or the one that you wish we could riff on more?

00:32:46.000 Thou shalt not murder.

00:32:48.000 They think it's thou shalt not kill.

00:32:50.000 That's a big distinction.

00:32:51.000 It's two different Hebrew words.

00:32:51.000 It's a big distinction.

00:32:53.000 Yeah.

00:32:54.000 Why do you isolate that one?

00:32:55.000 Well, because there's justifiable, you know, there's justifiable taking of life.

00:33:05.000 The Bible even commands that.

00:33:06.000 You take a life, it's capital punishment.

00:33:09.000 And then murder is where you just, you covet something and you want it so bad that you're going to kill the person to get it.

00:33:17.000 That is considered, that is, the Lord is judging you on that one.

00:33:23.000 The other one that I don't think people put enough credence is is don't take the name of the Lord your God in vain.

00:33:30.000 You think, well, that's going around using Jesus Christ as an expletive when you stub your toe.

00:33:36.000 No, that means that you're professing Christ while you're doing evil.

00:33:36.000 No.

00:33:43.000 You're doing evil.

00:33:44.000 It means to carry.

00:33:44.000 No, that's exactly.

00:33:46.000 Yeah, you're carrying the name.

00:33:47.000 The Hebrew word is do not carry the name of the Lord.

00:33:49.000 And you're carrying that into, you're turning religion into a financial gain, you know, a marketing principle. 0.91

00:33:56.000 Just pretend if there was like a Christian abortion center. 0.85

00:34:00.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:34:01.000 That would be a very easy to understand example.

00:34:04.000 Great one.

00:34:06.000 Why am I doing all the talking?

00:34:09.000 I'm doing the thinking.

00:34:10.000 I remember when I first met you, my son had told me about you.

00:34:14.000 I met you in that green room in Liberty.

00:34:17.000 No, no, it was Ontario, California at that conservative radio.

00:34:20.000 And there you were.

00:34:21.000 You had a thick book on philosophers that you were devouring in the green room.

00:34:27.000 And I've traveled with you extensively.

00:34:29.000 You are constantly reading or you're taking in a podcast because you're a mouthpiece contending for the welfare of your neighbor.

00:34:40.000 And you want to know the things that they're struggling with.

00:34:42.000 So you're investing your life for their sake.

00:34:45.000 And I don't think people realize the amount of work you put in, that the things you share with the citizens of this nation and around the world allow us to get a vision that is so helpful.

00:34:57.000 Well, thank you.

00:34:58.000 I love to learn.

00:34:59.000 You do.

00:35:00.000 It shows.

00:35:01.000 I can't wait for that Ten Commandments book.

00:35:03.000 Yeah, I'll show you the illustrations later.

00:35:05.000 So some Bible trivia, everybody.

00:35:07.000 The Ten Commandments are in two books, Exodus and Deuteronomy.

00:35:10.000 Do you know the only thing that's different in the Ten Commandments?

00:35:13.000 Oh, you got me on that one.

00:35:14.000 Yeah, the Sabbath is the only one that's technically different.

00:35:17.000 And in Deuteronomy, Moses, via God, says you basically keep the Sabbath because you're no longer slaves.

00:35:24.000 That's the only difference.

00:35:25.000 Is that only slaves work for seven days?

00:35:25.000 Okay.

00:35:27.000 It's the only one that's different.

00:35:29.000 That's cool.

00:35:30.000 Let's get to another question here.

00:35:33.000 And we got plenty.

00:35:37.000 Okay, yeah, this one.

00:35:39.000 Charlie and Rob love this conversation.

00:35:41.000 Thank you guys so much.

00:35:43.000 I have a hard time wanting to get to vote this November because I think that the entire system and government is corrupt regardless who's in charge.

00:35:52.000 Why should I, a Christian, participate in a broken system?

00:35:59.000 Why are you a Christian? 0.94

00:36:00.000 It's a broken system. 1.00

00:36:01.000 Yeah, the whole world is broken.

00:36:03.000 Everything has been impacted by sin except Christ.

00:36:06.000 Yeah, I mean, it's a big broken blue marble.

00:36:08.000 It's kind of like saying, why would you go to a grocery store and eat?

00:36:10.000 It's a broken system.

00:36:11.000 At some point, it's a law of entropy.

00:36:14.000 Everything reduces to its least common denominator, but the infusion of truth and Christ in the presence of that preserves and gives people time to be pointed to Christ.

00:36:23.000 So why are you doing it?

00:36:25.000 Because you're contending for truth.

00:36:27.000 Do your homework, vote.

00:36:29.000 And if you have the ability to be a poll watcher and you want to contend for the vote to count and to be honest, then do more.

00:36:39.000 Yes.

00:36:39.000 But instead of complaining, you know, any donkey can knock down a barn door, but only a carpenter can build one.

00:36:46.000 Quit whining and go do something.

00:36:49.000 It takes no skill to complain.

00:36:50.000 No.

00:36:51.000 No.

00:36:51.000 And by the way, in all due respect to whoever asked that question, there's no depth to that question.

00:36:56.000 That is just cynicism.

00:36:58.000 And I don't like that.

00:36:59.000 And, you know, and tell your kids, you know, I didn't vote because your future is just not worth it.

00:37:03.000 I'm kind of sick of the whole process. 0.71

00:37:07.000 Could you imagine if we had said, oh, no, Hitler's already got all of Europe.

00:37:09.000 Why do we have to go over and fight? 0.74

00:37:11.000 It's our fight.

00:37:12.000 Or why found the country?

00:37:12.000 Yeah.

00:37:14.000 Yeah.

00:37:15.000 Why bother?

00:37:15.000 Why contend with King George?

00:37:17.000 Why would we write the Constitution?

00:37:18.000 It's just such a...

00:37:19.000 Weird loggerheads.

00:37:20.000 Let's just go home.

00:37:21.000 You have it right here.

00:37:22.000 All right.

00:37:23.000 Another one.

00:37:24.000 Rob, as a youth leader in my church, because you were once one.

00:37:27.000 Yeah, I was.

00:37:28.000 How can I help my middle school age students navigate all the cultural poisons they may encounter out there in the world from a biblical perspective?

00:37:36.000 As a youth leader, I'm looking to other people that are or have been youth leaders that can contend for truth, but also shepherd these young souls.

00:37:44.000 And that's a beautiful question.

00:37:45.000 It is.

00:37:46.000 When I was a junior high pastor and a high school pastor, I would, at the time, before the Drudge Report became liberal, it was an aggregate where I could pull off really cool news stories, and I would pull them off and I'd put them in such a way that the kids would read them, and then I'd have the scriptures and say, okay, let's debate this.

00:38:04.000 And they'd just go to town on it.

00:38:06.000 And they'd have so much fun because they weren't doing it in their schools and they couldn't wrap their mind around a Christian response to these issues. 0.96

00:38:14.000 The drudge isn't going to work for that anymore.

00:38:16.000 What I would say is citizenfreepress.com.

00:38:18.000 Yeah, or revolver.news.

00:38:21.000 So what you're saying is find a news item.

00:38:23.000 Yeah, an aggregate that has some very does it have to be political or not political?

00:38:28.000 Or well, it's all going to be political because it's going to have an opinion.

00:38:33.000 Sure, but it doesn't have to be like Washington, D.C.

00:38:36.000 No.

00:38:37.000 It doesn't have to be Congress.

00:38:38.000 It's going to be things that the kids themselves will come into.

00:38:42.000 For example, they find a story that says 50% of students at Brown University are gay.

00:38:48.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:38:49.000 Something like that.

00:38:50.000 Yeah.

00:38:50.000 Or one that's simple is where they showed the tweet or the ex of the biological male at the basketball game in the East Coast state where three of these girls were injured in the game.

00:39:04.000 Okay, let's discuss that.

00:39:06.000 What's fair about that?

00:39:07.000 And to what extent? 0.57

00:39:09.000 And how do we deal with transgenderism from the position that there's male and female?

00:39:15.000 And this is how it's presenting itself.

00:39:17.000 What would you do if you were in those positions and make that choice?

00:39:20.000 And let them discuss it, but always have the scriptures to encourage them.

00:39:24.000 So they have to use the Bible to defend your arguments.

00:39:27.000 Definitely. 0.98

00:39:28.000 I love that.

00:39:29.000 Here's one.

00:39:30.000 People love to hate on America and its founding.

00:39:32.000 I know America is imperfect, but I do know it has roots in God's design for man.

00:39:36.000 From a faith angle, can you explain why America is so exceptional?

00:39:40.000 Yeah.

00:39:41.000 Yeah.

00:39:44.000 When you hear Benjamin Franklin's speech when he called for three days of fasting and prayer, and he says, you know, we've searched history and we haven't found a government suitable enough.

00:39:56.000 And they come to a place where they broke away for three days of fasting and prayer, came back with this bicameral legislature, lower house, upper house, Congress, Senate.

00:40:04.000 It was brilliant in that capacity.

00:40:06.000 But the thing that defined them the most is they declared in the birth certificate that our rights don't come from man.

00:40:16.000 We're not a saddle to be ridden by another man.

00:40:20.000 Our rights come from God.

00:40:21.000 And the purpose of government is to protect those inalienable rights.

00:40:26.000 And if they stop doing that, it is our right and our duty to push back.

00:40:33.000 It's our duty.

00:40:34.000 That's what made America so profound, is it was a government designed on how do we allow the human being to flourish in a relationship with the living God.

00:40:45.000 Four times in our birth certificate, God is listed.

00:40:49.000 And then you get to the Constitution where the seven articles are all designed not to give us rights, but to protect the rights given to us by God.

00:40:56.000 That anyone who would govern by our permission would be constrained by those seven articles so they couldn't usurp our authority.

00:41:05.000 Amen.

00:41:06.000 And then the 27 amendments.

00:41:08.000 Each one was designed so that government doesn't infringe upon the individual.

00:41:13.000 And yeah, it is a remarkable, and it's not the first constitutional republic, by the way.

00:41:19.000 Israel.

00:41:20.000 You know, Jethro said to Moses, appoint godly men who are not covetous, who love the law over thousands, hundreds, fifties, tens.

00:41:26.000 Federal, state, county, local.

00:41:27.000 That was his father-in-law, wasn't it?

00:41:29.000 Yeah.

00:41:30.000 And the Constitution would have been the Decalogue. 0.60

00:41:34.000 And then from that came Deuteronomy with all the civil laws. 0.60

00:41:37.000 Yeah.

00:41:37.000 Second laws, yeah.

00:41:39.000 So representative form of government is pretty remarkable.

00:41:42.000 Yes.

00:41:43.000 And just to add on top of it, there's this whole narrative in the media against the Christian founding of the country.

00:41:51.000 You cannot possibly understand the whole picture if you don't read the state constitutions at the time.

00:41:57.000 And Bill Federer, I think, has done the best scholarship on this.

00:42:00.000 Yeah.

00:42:00.000 Which is how many states required you to be Bible-believing Christians to serve in office.

00:42:05.000 913.

00:42:06.000 913.

00:42:07.000 Yeah.

00:42:07.000 And so that gets missed in the conversation quite often.

00:42:12.000 Okay.

00:42:12.000 It's like saying the Civil War didn't occur because of slavery, but yet you read the secession documents of the southern states.

00:42:20.000 Every one of them includes slavery.

00:42:21.000 That's right.

00:42:22.000 Okay, let's see here.

00:42:23.000 A lot of questions you guys are coming in.

00:42:25.000 You can email them in real time, by the way, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:42:29.000 Okay, this is one. 0.93

00:42:30.000 How serious should Christians be about homeschooling?

00:42:33.000 Where do you fall on that?

00:42:34.000 Okay, so Michelle and I, we have five kids, six grades.

00:42:37.000 Your grandkids are mostly homeschooled, right?

00:42:40.000 Yeah.

00:42:41.000 But Michelle and I did private school, public school, and homeschooling.

00:42:44.000 So we've run the spectrum on it.

00:42:49.000 For public school, will your child survive?

00:42:51.000 Now, Mikey, who works for you, we didn't put him in a public school, but we put his older brother, Daniel, in.

00:42:58.000 And Daniel did really well.

00:42:59.000 He did football, and he had this heart to evangelize.

00:43:02.000 Mikey went into a private Christian school and did really well.

00:43:06.000 Our girls, we homeschooled, and they did.

00:43:09.000 All the way through high school.

00:43:10.000 Yeah.

00:43:10.000 Oh, wow.

00:43:11.000 I didn't know that.

00:43:12.000 And you have four great kids.

00:43:14.000 Five.

00:43:14.000 Five, I'm sorry.

00:43:15.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:43:16.000 And they're tremendous.

00:43:18.000 And, you know, they've married well.

00:43:20.000 And now the grandkids in California, because of the draconian tyrannical measures of the governor, Governor Ussolini, my daughter's chosen a different route. 0.60

00:43:30.000 We've learned a lot from Heidi St. John, what she does up in Washington, because Governor Isley's terrible. 0.99

00:43:35.000 And they've created a homeschooling kind of co-op that flies under the radar that the state can't attack them.

00:43:41.000 And so we find that the kids that are homeschooled are far better educated than those going through public school because public school in California now is just simply indoctrination.

00:43:51.000 It's not education anymore.

00:43:53.000 So this is what I'd say to parents.

00:43:56.000 You find time for things that are important.

00:43:58.000 Michelle and I raised five kids on a pastor's salary in the most expensive state.

00:44:02.000 And we lived in the third most expensive place in the world to live, the Silicon Valley, during the dot-com where you couldn't find a, we lived in a windowless apartment.

00:44:10.000 I mean, that's crazy.

00:44:12.000 But we did it because we wanted to make sure our kids were provided for.

00:44:17.000 And I'm going to stand before the Lord and give an accounting of the kids that have been entrusted to my care.

00:44:23.000 And I can't blame the teachers.

00:44:25.000 They weren't entrusted.

00:44:26.000 I was.

00:44:27.000 And I have to give an accounting to God.

00:44:30.000 So it may be convenient to send them to public school. 0.97

00:44:33.000 But remember, public school was designed by the Prussians.

00:44:38.000 And then you had the Rockefeller and the Carnegies who they weren't capitalists. 0.99

00:44:42.000 They wanted to create a slave class. 0.95

00:44:44.000 And they knew that they could control centralized education where they could indoctrinate your children.

00:44:49.000 And that's what's going to happen with the globalist movement.

00:44:53.000 So we want to raise them in the love and the admonition of the Lord that when they're old, they won't depart thereof.

00:44:58.000 And so we do that.

00:45:00.000 And, you know, my kids have done well.

00:45:03.000 And they're socialized.

00:45:04.000 They're not like wallflowers.

00:45:05.000 They're fun to be around.

00:45:07.000 And they can handle a conversation, look in the eye, shake your hand, and have something relevant to say.

00:45:12.000 I can attest that as true.

00:45:14.000 Yeah.

00:45:15.000 The homeschooling movement is growing.

00:45:17.000 It is.

00:45:17.000 I'm glad to see that.

00:45:19.000 This one's for me.

00:45:20.000 Charlie, what has personally motivated you to advocate for the engagement of the church in the public square and how has your faith influenced your approach to political and social issues?

00:45:26.000 Come on, Charlie.

00:45:27.000 This is so good.

00:45:28.000 My faith influences everything, as it should, every decision, every view.

00:45:32.000 And yeah, look, we launched TPUSA Faith largely because Rob and I were kind of mystified by the lack of churches that remained open during COVID.

00:45:42.000 And on this, you know, where I sit here for this show, I wasn't in this chair, but a chair very similar to it, I made a prediction that all the churches were going to resist government tyranny.

00:45:51.000 The worst prediction in radio history.

00:45:53.000 It was the worst prediction in the history of American podcasting.

00:45:55.000 There is no second or third place that doesn't even come close.

00:45:59.000 And I made this prediction.

00:46:00.000 I said, hey, you know, churches are going to resist because churches love liberty.

00:46:04.000 And so we started TPUSA Faith, and the results have just been an incredible blessing from God.

00:46:10.000 Charlie, I've traveled with you, as I've said to the folks who are watching.

00:46:17.000 In the time I've known you, you've never missed a morning devotion.

00:46:21.000 You're always before the Lord.

00:46:24.000 There's only one time in my life I've ever seen you nervous before you spoke.

00:46:27.000 That is true.

00:46:27.000 And that's the first time you spoke in a church.

00:46:29.000 I was nervous.

00:46:30.000 Because you have such a respect for the pulpit and for truth.

00:46:33.000 You love the Lord.

00:46:34.000 And you didn't think that the two worlds could come together.

00:46:38.000 And that's where I was kind of shocked.

00:46:41.000 You looked at me and you said, I didn't know a guy like you existed.

00:46:42.000 I said, what do you mean?

00:46:43.000 A pastor in politics.

00:46:44.000 I go, I didn't know a guy like you existed.

00:46:45.000 They go, what's that?

00:46:46.000 A young guy who's conservative, you know, contending for the largest conservative movement in America.

00:46:51.000 To me, it was like, you're going to be the best preacher in America because this is what the pulpits need.

00:46:57.000 And Charlie, it was just a fit.

00:46:59.000 And you have never wavered from your faith.

00:47:02.000 You've never wavered.

00:47:03.000 And now you see the value of it in the calling of young people.

00:47:07.000 And you know what?

00:47:08.000 Turning Point USA is a secular 501c3.

00:47:12.000 But you throw the net out and allow people to come to Christ at Amfest.

00:47:16.000 Yeah, big time.

00:47:17.000 And many of the events.

00:47:18.000 Thousands.

00:47:19.000 I mean, churches across the country would love to have a youth ministry like that.

00:47:26.000 Amen.

00:47:27.000 I'm so grateful for what you do.

00:47:30.000 Well, thank you.

00:47:30.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:47:31.000 Everybody, email us as always at freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:47:34.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

00:47:37.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - March 10, 2024

How God Judges Nations

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