00:00:01.000No advertisers on this episode, a conversation that I had with Pastor Rob McCoy and James Lindsay at the Council for National Policy about Genesis 1 through 11.
00:00:44.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:00:56.000So we're talking about the left again, and we were talking about voter integrity, but now we have an attack on truth.
00:01:04.000And especially with you, James, this transition in my mind from atheist to agnostic occurred when we were talking simply by the fact that you believe in absolute truth.
00:01:15.000Yeah, I mean, absolute truth is where it has to start and where it has to end.
00:01:18.000So with that, and also with Charlie, every day when you're on the radio, every day you're doing your podcast, every day you're doing these things, you're in pursuit of truth to contend for it.
00:01:27.000And that's the one weapon we possess that will stop the left from destroying America.
00:01:35.000What are the things that you're each doing?
00:02:08.000So you talk about, I said just a second ago, the truth is the beginning and the end.
00:02:12.000And you can take the biblical reference that you want out of that.
00:02:14.000The point is that the truth means nothing if we have no discernment.
00:02:18.000If you can't discern true from false, if you can't discern real from fake, that's why President Trump, some of the best words he ever spoke, as we all know he has the best words, were fake news.
00:02:30.000If you can't discern real from fake, if you can't discern true from false, if you can't discern good from evil, then you have no hope.
00:02:38.000But if you can discern those, as you said, we have the greatest weapon possible.
00:02:42.000So what I do with almost all of my time is unfortunately read communism.
00:02:48.000I read the woke literature, whether it's critical race theory.
00:02:51.000I'm going to say a Q word you're going to have to start learning to deal with and get uncomfortably comfortable with, which is queer theory.
00:03:22.000I read all of these philosophers that did basically what amounts to a, believe it or not, a new age movement of esoteric weirdness through the Middle Ages, getting codified with these guys, Hegel and Marx.
00:03:34.000And I try to bring clarity so that people can start to discern through the mystifications, the distortions, the blurring of boundaries and blurring of clarity that the left is using to confuse us, to trick us, to trick good people into doing their evil work so that they forget and good gets named evil and evil gets named good.
00:03:56.000And that's how we're actually getting here.
00:04:00.000The left is a smaller percentage of the population than you believe, but they're very good at using words you're familiar with like democracy against you.
00:04:11.000We all believe in democracy, our democracy.
00:04:13.000And Lennon explained very clearly, if you bother to read him in State and Revolution, that there's the proletarian democracy and that there's a bourgeois democracy.
00:04:28.000If you don't understand, then when you have a Democrat stand up and say, I believe in our democracy, Donald Trump having a Twitter is bad for our democracy.
00:04:36.000You don't understand that what they're telling you is that if we don't have communism, we're in danger.
00:04:43.000And when you get that clarity, you can watch them on NMSNBC or CNN or whatever podcast or whatever they put out.
00:04:50.000And you can tell, as I've got to be able to tell, when they're talking straight, because sometimes they are, when they're straight lying, because often they are, and when they're talking double, which is where it's most dangerous.
00:05:21.000And then I don't know if you've ever been on the Charlie Kirk show, but there's these commercials so he can talk about things that they have to make money with.
00:05:28.000And during the commercial, if you are the guest, they propagandize you with Charlie's talks.
00:05:33.000You have to listen to Charlie talk during the five-minute wait between segments.
00:05:38.000And so here he is talking in front of some audience doing a discussion about discernment, about distinctions specifically.
00:05:48.000And he says the reason the Bible is a core foundation for our civilization or any civilization that wants to thrive and flourish is because it's a book of distinctions.
00:05:59.000And I immediately think that's because reality is a reality of distinctions.
00:06:04.000And if we want to know the differences between good and evil, we have to realize there's a distinction between them.
00:06:09.000If we want to understand the difference between truth and falsity, we have to understand that there are those distinctions.
00:06:15.000If we want to know the difference, say, between men and women, we have to realize that there's a distinction and start there and be clear about those distinctions and be honest about those distinctions.
00:06:23.000If you want to know the difference and most importantly, and I mean this very sincerely between God and man, you have to understand that there is a distinction there and you have to get clear on what that distinction is.
00:06:34.000And thus, in a sense, if there's a kid say, know your role, which you're not God, so know your role.
00:06:43.000And in the United States of America, your authority is borrowed from the people with our consent, unless you screw up and we're going to get rid of you.
00:06:52.000I'm listening to Charlie talk about this.
00:06:53.000And so when I say we need discernment, when you need to cut through the way they use doubled meanings in language like democracy, right?
00:07:00.000When I say this, what I'm saying is that we have to, if we want to understand reality, we want to navigate reality, what we have to do is understand enough of how they manipulate our descriptions of reality so that we can understand the actual distinctions, draw those distinctions into clarity, which everybody can see with their eyes and their ears.
00:07:18.000Everybody can understand them without a layer of theory and gobbledygook obscuring that, and bring them back to reality.
00:07:25.000And that's how we're actually going to claw our way out of the greatest threat to civilization that we've ever faced.
00:07:32.000And if you don't know it, that's where we are.
00:08:07.000And I encourage all of you, if you have questions about queer theory, race Marxism, critical race theory, postmodernism, he has done more writing and speaking on this topic in a way that is digestible.
00:08:18.000And he is intentionally trying to be able to make it understandable to the audiences.
00:08:23.000And so his recent book, Race Marxism, should be taught in every single school across the country on critical race theory.
00:08:32.000If you want to understand critical race theory and what they're trying to achieve and what they're trying to do, it is a deep book and it is irrefutable, the threat that you lay out in that, not to mention cynical theories.
00:08:43.000And you have another new book on education.
00:08:47.000Yeah, just really quick, what James was talking about and what Rob was talking about.
00:08:51.000The first 11 books of Genesis, I think, are actually the most political books of the entire Bible.
00:08:56.000You are told why you exist, what is our existence and the purpose of it, what is a human being, is man naturally good or naturally bad.
00:09:05.000And it culminates in Genesis 11: what happens if you try to build a political project and ignore God and dishonor God.
00:09:12.000Of course, the city of Babel, which unfortunately gets called the Tower of Babel, which is somewhat true, but it's technically actually the city of Babel.
00:09:19.000They were trying to create a city, a metropolis, a centralized government.
00:09:23.000And you could say that both Thomas Jefferson and the Torah hated centralized authority and centralized cities and cosmopolitan government without checks and balances.
00:09:33.000What could be more political than that?
00:09:34.000And I hear from pastors all the time: the Bible is not clear on politics.
00:09:49.000But the point is this: almost everything we're living through right now can go back to the destruction and the blurring and the confusing of lines and distinctions that are clearly laid out in Genesis 1 through 11.
00:10:03.000So the first is this: the distinction between man and God.
00:10:07.000So it says very clearly that God made man.
00:10:36.000In fact, you know that the biblical creation story is the only ancient world creation story where man is spoken into existence by the creator.
00:10:59.000Because God, we're made in the image of God.
00:11:02.000And rational speech is our ability to be able to make sense of a confused and broken world.
00:11:09.000And since we're made in the image of God, how do we create in the earthly realm through rational speech, dialogue, or as what John would call it very simply, the logos?
00:11:17.000So every distinction that gives us order and gives us a connection to the transcendent and the divine and the eternal is daily, hourly trying to be obliterated by the culture and the secular left.
00:11:30.000And so if we are trying to restore Western civilization and we're trying to save our country, we have to start at the foundational building blocks, which is to understand the distinctions are actually where we derive our liberty from.
00:11:44.000And this is at the heart of the trans movement.
00:11:47.000This is at the heart of the LGBTQ movement.
00:11:50.000This is the heart of critical race theory, is that they believe the distinctions are actually tyrannical, false constructs, and they're trying to get rid of all of them.
00:12:00.000Every dictator tried to do this in one shape or form.
00:12:03.000And this is my call to action to all of you that are believers out there.
00:12:06.000And even if you're not a believer like James Lindsay, this should also animate you, but especially believers, which is if we're watching the blurring of distinctions that God put into existence happen and crumble all around us, and we do nothing, I think that is one of the most immoral acts of passivity and inaction that we could possibly do.
00:12:28.000And then finally, the last distinction that is being blurred is the distinction of good versus evil.
00:12:34.000And how do you know what is good is good?
00:12:37.000I ask that question all the time at college kids.
00:12:39.000They say, well, it's just common sense.
00:12:41.000You know that we are all recipients of a Christian inheritance.
00:12:45.000We are all recipients of a Christian inheritance.
00:12:48.000I'll name three things that are not common sense values in the rest of the world, that children should not be taken advantage of.
00:13:16.000I'll just, I mean, I could keep on going on this, but the point is this: if we don't honor our inheritance, and if we as Christians and believers just kind of look from the sidelines and keep on giving these little cheap one-liners, like, oh, I only preach the gospel here.
00:14:33.000We believe the natural world is worthy of appreciation and understanding because we believe there is a melody and a harmony to the natural world because we believe in Genesis 1:1, in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
00:14:44.000We do not believe nature is an accident.
00:14:46.000We do not believe that the natural world just came into existence because of a roll of the dice.
00:14:54.000The original scientific investigation of the West was always under the purposes that this was created and let's better understand it.
00:15:01.000Sir Isaac Newton, the founder of modern physics, wrote more about biblical prophecy in Isaiah than he ever did about physics.
00:15:10.000Devout Christians are responsible for all the major scientific breakthroughs until the mid-1800s, which will be a perfect baton to James because it changed in one sense.
00:15:19.000These German secular historicists adopted a different belief that we now can be like gods.
00:15:28.000This ideology was responsible for Nazism, for communism, because then all of a sudden they said, well, if there's a science to the natural world, then there must be a politics, a science of politics, that we could figure out the same way that we can figure out, you know, force equals mass times acceleration, there could be a perfect way to govern human beings.
00:15:44.000And all these old documents, the Bible is outdated and all of this.
00:15:47.000And one of the great fallacies of our time that permeates the American academy is because we have technological advancements, we somehow no longer need the ancient treatises or writings or books or documents that used to govern man.
00:16:00.000Just because you have Twitter and you could fly cross-country from LA to New York does not mean all of a sudden the soul of man has improved.
00:16:56.000I want you to reflect upon what Charlie just said about what trans boils down to, what the queer theory ideology boils down to.
00:17:04.000And then I want you to realize that the first manipulation of language that's recorded in Genesis 3 is, in fact, this blurring of distinction.
00:17:15.000By the way, did you know, Eve, you're just like God.
00:17:19.000There's no real distinction between you and God.
00:17:23.000And that's literally what we're dealing with.
00:17:26.000This is why for over two years I've been sitting on stages, not a Christian, and saying we're in the same fight as in Genesis 3, the same story as Genesis 3.
00:17:37.000But what happens, just to pull out of that and not exegete too long, to come back to talk about this German historicism, what they actually did was they imported from a character a little further back in time, Plato, way earlier, what he called science, in fact, scientia.
00:17:56.000And scientia for Plato, who was a tyrant, had in his ideal republic, which was a technocratic tyranny, with the philosopher kings sitting on top and their Praetorian guard below to protect, and then the bronze-class workers doing everything and the poor hoipeloi making their miserable way as mud people or whatever.
00:18:17.000This technocratic republic had two levels of understanding.
00:18:22.000What he called scientia was broken into two pieces: episteme, which is the reason that he believed that the philosopher kings had access to, that is the correct science of politics to impose upon everything else.
00:18:36.000Dianoia was what we would call understanding, and that's what informs techni, which is the ability to do technical work or understand things.
00:18:43.000This gets imported straight into German through this new age movement and all of these goofy historicists and gets codified by Hegel, who renames episteme in German to hide the fact that he's just stealing somebody else's work and calls it fernunft, which means reason.
00:19:01.000And then he calls a lower level of understanding, which is actually understanding the world we live in, understanding the distinctions of the world we live in, fĂĽr Stand.
00:19:09.000And Vernunft has to rule over Ferstand.
00:19:12.000This comes to Marx, and he says we have this scientific, there's that word, scientia, scientific socialism, a Wiesenschaft Licher Socialismus.
00:19:21.000And so the socialist science is now going to dictate exactly how we're going to turn the real science, the understanding of the world.
00:19:29.000And we read Mao Zedong, and he lays out in a speech he gave in 1957, immediately before he launched what's called the Great Leap, or Great Reset.
00:19:39.000The Great Leap Forward, which killed 55 million people, tanked the economy so bad that they actually first call it the greatest economic disaster in human history.
00:19:47.000And secondly, actually, we're able to depose Mao for four or five years because it was so bad they got him kicked out of power.
00:20:03.000We're going to let 100 ideas and schools contest.
00:20:05.000He says, we're going to have free speech in China.
00:20:08.000Except if you're against the socialists, we're going to take away all your free speech because you're not part of us.
00:20:12.000But if you're a socialist, you have free speech.
00:20:14.000You can say whatever, criticize the government, blah, blah, blah.
00:20:16.000He has this as he launches this campaign.
00:20:17.000And he gives six criteria to determine right from wrong, since now you have to have some method to determine right from wrong, even within the socialist paradigm.
00:21:06.000You've left one-dimensional understanding where you understand the world and entered two-dimensional understanding, as Herbert Marcuse explained it, where you have a critical understanding, a moral and teleological understanding of the world that's designed to create a rupture with existing reality so that we can enter into a liberation from existing reality and become fully autonomous.
00:21:27.000Or as the same Herbert Marcuse, the leading neo-Marxist of the 1960s, wrote in his very creepy sex book in 1955, which is called Eros and Civilization, his first major English language work.
00:21:40.000He said, the way back into the garden is to take a second bite from the fruit of the tree of knowledge.
00:21:48.000This is what we are actually up against.
00:21:52.000We are up against a cult, the largest cult in human history.
00:21:58.000It has an inner circle of people who are pulling the strings and they understand what they're doing.
00:22:02.000It has an inner school of adepts who have studied in Chinese Chui Shi under what Mao made you do.
00:22:09.000And it has an outer school of initiates who are learning to see the world from the so-called people's standpoint or the positionality of the oppressed in modern language.
00:22:19.000We are dealing with the same communist cult, Nazi cult, actually.
00:22:43.000And what this is, is a cult obsessed with power that begins with the assumption that man is an incomplete being who is capable of completing himself.
00:22:52.000And at the end of that, he and I quote, becomes God.
00:23:00.000Yeah, I just want for all the believers out there.
00:23:04.000I cannot emphasize enough how critical it is that after this meeting, you go back to your pastors, you go back to your church member elders, and if they are not actively talking about all these things, you need to stop supporting that church or leave that church and find the pastors that are.
00:23:19.000The American church needs to understand that this is the greatest manifestation of the spiritual war that is now right in front of us and the lack of moral or biblical or theological clarity on this topic.
00:23:32.000Isn't it interesting that we have to now go to an agnostic academic to go tell the American church what's actually happening?
00:25:25.000And so the question is, what are we Christians going to do now when the enemy is trying to promise a falsified, synthetic, obviously heretical version?
00:25:36.000What they've done is they have appropriated the promise and the beauty of Christianity, and they've put it through a scientific, secular lens.
00:25:44.000And we're wondering, why are we losing our kids?
00:25:47.000Well, because they took all Christian elements, for example, the religion of anti-racism.
00:25:52.000They take all the sacraments from all of it and then they put it through a lens.
00:25:57.000Wouldn't that, that's exactly what Satan would do.
00:26:00.000He wouldn't go create a totally fake and false opposite.
00:26:03.000He would take the proven elements of Christianity and launder it through a lens that could get people to think that they're doing something righteous and virtuous when in reality they're on the way to hell.
00:26:37.000But when you see the Magnificat, the amazing thing about Mary is unlike Eve, hope and salvation came into the world by obeying God's commandment.