The Charlie Kirk Show - How Good Gets Called Evil, and Evil Good—LIVE from CNP with Dr James Lindsay and Rob McCoy

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, happy Sunday.

00:00:01.000 No advertisers on this episode, a conversation that I had with Pastor Rob McCoy and James Lindsay at the Council for National Policy about Genesis 1 through 11.

00:00:10.000 I think you'll really enjoy it.

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00:00:23.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:24.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

00:00:26.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:30.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:00:33.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:34.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:35.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.

00:00:42.000 Turning point USA. 0.65

00:00:44.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:00:52.000 That's why we are here.

00:00:56.000 So we're talking about the left again, and we were talking about voter integrity, but now we have an attack on truth.

00:01:04.000 And especially with you, James, this transition in my mind from atheist to agnostic occurred when we were talking simply by the fact that you believe in absolute truth.

00:01:15.000 Yeah, I mean, absolute truth is where it has to start and where it has to end.

00:01:18.000 So with that, and also with Charlie, every day when you're on the radio, every day you're doing your podcast, every day you're doing these things, you're in pursuit of truth to contend for it.

00:01:27.000 And that's the one weapon we possess that will stop the left from destroying America.

00:01:35.000 What are the things that you're each doing?

00:01:37.000 Take as much time as you'd like.

00:01:39.000 And I'm going to start with you, Charlie, because I...

00:01:41.000 You're going to yield?

00:01:42.000 Okay.

00:01:43.000 Dr. James Lindsay is one of my favorite people to listen to.

00:01:46.000 So I'll just pull up a chair and let him riff.

00:01:49.000 Now, when you share, know that he still needs to go.

00:01:52.000 And remember, everyone is not as smart as you.

00:01:55.000 And they're drinking from a fire hydrant when you're speaking.

00:01:58.000 But fill him in because you have blessed the two of us beyond measure.

00:02:02.000 Take it over.

00:02:02.000 Yeah, Rob, they're going to have to deal with it because we've got like 20 minutes here.

00:02:05.000 So what am I doing?

00:02:08.000 So you talk about, I said just a second ago, the truth is the beginning and the end.

00:02:12.000 And you can take the biblical reference that you want out of that.

00:02:14.000 The point is that the truth means nothing if we have no discernment.

00:02:18.000 If you can't discern true from false, if you can't discern real from fake, that's why President Trump, some of the best words he ever spoke, as we all know he has the best words, were fake news.

00:02:30.000 If you can't discern real from fake, if you can't discern true from false, if you can't discern good from evil, then you have no hope.

00:02:38.000 But if you can discern those, as you said, we have the greatest weapon possible.

00:02:42.000 So what I do with almost all of my time is unfortunately read communism.

00:02:48.000 I read the woke literature, whether it's critical race theory.

00:02:51.000 I'm going to say a Q word you're going to have to start learning to deal with and get uncomfortably comfortable with, which is queer theory. 1.00

00:02:58.000 I read queer theory.

00:02:58.000 You say gender ideology, it's a euphemism.

00:03:00.000 They call it queer theory. 0.90

00:03:02.000 You have to understand what they think.

00:03:05.000 I read this.

00:03:06.000 I read post-colonial theory.

00:03:08.000 I read neo-Marxism, critical Marxism, critical education theory.

00:03:12.000 I read cultural Marxism, George Lukach, Antonio Gramsci.

00:03:16.000 I read Marx.

00:03:17.000 I read Engels.

00:03:19.000 I go back behind them.

00:03:20.000 I read Hegel.

00:03:21.000 I read Oettinger.

00:03:22.000 I read all of these philosophers that did basically what amounts to a, believe it or not, a new age movement of esoteric weirdness through the Middle Ages, getting codified with these guys, Hegel and Marx.

00:03:34.000 And I try to bring clarity so that people can start to discern through the mystifications, the distortions, the blurring of boundaries and blurring of clarity that the left is using to confuse us, to trick us, to trick good people into doing their evil work so that they forget and good gets named evil and evil gets named good.

00:03:56.000 And that's how we're actually getting here.

00:03:58.000 There are not that many.

00:04:00.000 The left is a smaller percentage of the population than you believe, but they're very good at using words you're familiar with like democracy against you.

00:04:11.000 We all believe in democracy, our democracy.

00:04:13.000 And Lennon explained very clearly, if you bother to read him in State and Revolution, that there's the proletarian democracy and that there's a bourgeois democracy.

00:04:21.000 Oh, there's two different kinds.

00:04:23.000 And only the one that's under the dictatorship is the real democracy.

00:04:27.000 Mao echoed this.

00:04:28.000 If you don't understand, then when you have a Democrat stand up and say, I believe in our democracy, Donald Trump having a Twitter is bad for our democracy.

00:04:36.000 You don't understand that what they're telling you is that if we don't have communism, we're in danger.

00:04:41.000 You have to get that clarity.

00:04:43.000 And when you get that clarity, you can watch them on NMSNBC or CNN or whatever podcast or whatever they put out.

00:04:50.000 And you can tell, as I've got to be able to tell, when they're talking straight, because sometimes they are, when they're straight lying, because often they are, and when they're talking double, which is where it's most dangerous.

00:05:00.000 So I try to bring that clarity.

00:05:02.000 I spend all my time reading this junk to do that.

00:05:06.000 Charlie's giving me more yielding and direction. 0.95

00:05:06.000 Okay. 0.95

00:05:09.000 He wants me to talk about something he does.

00:05:12.000 So I'm going to direct this back to him because he put me on his podcast.

00:05:16.000 He said, come on my podcast again, James.

00:05:18.000 I say, yes, of course, Charlie.

00:05:19.000 I'll come on your podcast again.

00:05:21.000 And then I don't know if you've ever been on the Charlie Kirk show, but there's these commercials so he can talk about things that they have to make money with.

00:05:28.000 And during the commercial, if you are the guest, they propagandize you with Charlie's talks.

00:05:33.000 You have to listen to Charlie talk during the five-minute wait between segments.

00:05:38.000 And so here he is talking in front of some audience doing a discussion about discernment, about distinctions specifically.

00:05:44.000 And he's talking about the Bible.

00:05:46.000 I take the Bible very seriously.

00:05:48.000 And he says the reason the Bible is a core foundation for our civilization or any civilization that wants to thrive and flourish is because it's a book of distinctions.

00:05:59.000 And I immediately think that's because reality is a reality of distinctions.

00:06:04.000 And if we want to know the differences between good and evil, we have to realize there's a distinction between them.

00:06:08.000 It's not all relative.

00:06:09.000 If we want to understand the difference between truth and falsity, we have to understand that there are those distinctions.

00:06:15.000 If we want to know the difference, say, between men and women, we have to realize that there's a distinction and start there and be clear about those distinctions and be honest about those distinctions.

00:06:23.000 If you want to know the difference and most importantly, and I mean this very sincerely between God and man, you have to understand that there is a distinction there and you have to get clear on what that distinction is.

00:06:34.000 And thus, in a sense, if there's a kid say, know your role, which you're not God, so know your role.

00:06:40.000 Your authority is borrowed.

00:06:43.000 And in the United States of America, your authority is borrowed from the people with our consent, unless you screw up and we're going to get rid of you.

00:06:50.000 And these are the principles.

00:06:52.000 I'm listening to Charlie talk about this.

00:06:53.000 And so when I say we need discernment, when you need to cut through the way they use doubled meanings in language like democracy, right?

00:07:00.000 When I say this, what I'm saying is that we have to, if we want to understand reality, we want to navigate reality, what we have to do is understand enough of how they manipulate our descriptions of reality so that we can understand the actual distinctions, draw those distinctions into clarity, which everybody can see with their eyes and their ears.

00:07:18.000 Everybody can understand them without a layer of theory and gobbledygook obscuring that, and bring them back to reality.

00:07:25.000 And that's how we're actually going to claw our way out of the greatest threat to civilization that we've ever faced.

00:07:32.000 And if you don't know it, that's where we are.

00:07:34.000 Wow.

00:07:34.000 All right.

00:07:35.000 Charlie, I just wanted to segue, even though you set him up for your direction.

00:07:40.000 Charlie spoke at our church, covered the first 11 books, or first 11 chapters of Genesis.

00:07:45.000 It was one of the most brilliant talks.

00:07:47.000 When you speak, it's always brilliant.

00:07:48.000 But I was so blessed by that.

00:07:50.000 Charlie, I want to say in front of all these folks, thank you.

00:07:54.000 And I don't think they understand how significant the work that you and James do to the church in America.

00:07:58.000 We're so grateful.

00:08:00.000 Amen.

00:08:01.000 Take it over, Charlie.

00:08:03.000 Well, thank you.

00:08:03.000 And I love learning from Dr. Lindsay.

00:08:07.000 And I encourage all of you, if you have questions about queer theory, race Marxism, critical race theory, postmodernism, he has done more writing and speaking on this topic in a way that is digestible.

00:08:18.000 And he is intentionally trying to be able to make it understandable to the audiences.

00:08:23.000 And so his recent book, Race Marxism, should be taught in every single school across the country on critical race theory.

00:08:32.000 If you want to understand critical race theory and what they're trying to achieve and what they're trying to do, it is a deep book and it is irrefutable, the threat that you lay out in that, not to mention cynical theories.

00:08:43.000 And you have another new book on education.

00:08:46.000 It's fabulous.

00:08:47.000 Yeah, just really quick, what James was talking about and what Rob was talking about.

00:08:51.000 The first 11 books of Genesis, I think, are actually the most political books of the entire Bible.

00:08:56.000 You are told why you exist, what is our existence and the purpose of it, what is a human being, is man naturally good or naturally bad.

00:09:05.000 And it culminates in Genesis 11: what happens if you try to build a political project and ignore God and dishonor God.

00:09:12.000 Of course, the city of Babel, which unfortunately gets called the Tower of Babel, which is somewhat true, but it's technically actually the city of Babel.

00:09:19.000 They were trying to create a city, a metropolis, a centralized government.

00:09:23.000 And you could say that both Thomas Jefferson and the Torah hated centralized authority and centralized cities and cosmopolitan government without checks and balances.

00:09:33.000 What could be more political than that?

00:09:34.000 And I hear from pastors all the time: the Bible is not clear on politics.

00:09:40.000 All the time I hear that.

00:09:41.000 And I say, well, yeah, maybe because you tell your congregation not to read the Old Testament, which is unfortunately a new phenomenon.

00:09:48.000 Even the New Testament is.

00:09:49.000 But the point is this: almost everything we're living through right now can go back to the destruction and the blurring and the confusing of lines and distinctions that are clearly laid out in Genesis 1 through 11.

00:10:03.000 So the first is this: the distinction between man and God.

00:10:07.000 So it says very clearly that God made man.

00:10:11.000 Man did not make God.

00:10:12.000 That's a big deal.

00:10:14.000 Right now in America, there's the blurring of lines between man and God.

00:10:17.000 How about the blurring of lines between man and woman?

00:10:19.000 Distinctly and uniquely made separately with two different creation narratives.

00:10:25.000 How about the distinction of man and nature?

00:10:29.000 That nature is there for our purposes, that we are not nature.

00:10:32.000 We're not here to worship nature.

00:10:34.000 We did not come from nature.

00:10:36.000 In fact, you know that the biblical creation story is the only ancient world creation story where man is spoken into existence by the creator.

00:10:48.000 That's a very big deal.

00:10:49.000 In these other creation stories, it's the pagan gods would have sex with the land, and it was very strange and messy.

00:10:57.000 No, it's that God's spoken into existence.

00:10:59.000 Why?

00:10:59.000 Because God, we're made in the image of God.

00:11:02.000 And rational speech is our ability to be able to make sense of a confused and broken world.

00:11:09.000 And since we're made in the image of God, how do we create in the earthly realm through rational speech, dialogue, or as what John would call it very simply, the logos?

00:11:17.000 So every distinction that gives us order and gives us a connection to the transcendent and the divine and the eternal is daily, hourly trying to be obliterated by the culture and the secular left.

00:11:30.000 And so if we are trying to restore Western civilization and we're trying to save our country, we have to start at the foundational building blocks, which is to understand the distinctions are actually where we derive our liberty from.

00:11:44.000 And this is at the heart of the trans movement.

00:11:47.000 This is at the heart of the LGBTQ movement.

00:11:50.000 This is the heart of critical race theory, is that they believe the distinctions are actually tyrannical, false constructs, and they're trying to get rid of all of them.

00:12:00.000 Every dictator tried to do this in one shape or form.

00:12:03.000 And this is my call to action to all of you that are believers out there.

00:12:06.000 And even if you're not a believer like James Lindsay, this should also animate you, but especially believers, which is if we're watching the blurring of distinctions that God put into existence happen and crumble all around us, and we do nothing, I think that is one of the most immoral acts of passivity and inaction that we could possibly do.

00:12:28.000 And then finally, the last distinction that is being blurred is the distinction of good versus evil.

00:12:34.000 And how do you know what is good is good?

00:12:37.000 I ask that question all the time at college kids.

00:12:39.000 They say, well, it's just common sense.

00:12:41.000 You know that we are all recipients of a Christian inheritance.

00:12:45.000 We are all recipients of a Christian inheritance.

00:12:48.000 I'll name three things that are not common sense values in the rest of the world, that children should not be taken advantage of.

00:12:55.000 That is not common sense.

00:12:57.000 That is a Christian value.

00:12:59.000 How about that power should not be centralized in one person and should be separate with checks and balances?

00:13:05.000 How about that we should look after the poor as if they're just as important as we are?

00:13:09.000 I could go on and on and on.

00:13:10.000 These are Christian inheritances that the rest of the world does not necessarily honor. 0.87

00:13:15.000 What is the point?

00:13:16.000 I'll just, I mean, I could keep on going on this, but the point is this: if we don't honor our inheritance, and if we as Christians and believers just kind of look from the sidelines and keep on giving these little cheap one-liners, like, oh, I only preach the gospel here.

00:13:28.000 I don't get into controversial stuff.

00:13:30.000 You're a waste of time.

00:13:31.000 You should resign from the ministry. 0.97

00:13:32.000 Like, we're here to save the civilization.

00:13:34.000 Charlie, I'm going to ask you one more question.

00:13:37.000 Charlie.

00:13:41.000 Love that.

00:13:42.000 No, no, no.

00:13:43.000 I'm actually going to ask you to continue.

00:13:44.000 I want you to share with the folks the left's desire to be God.

00:13:50.000 And you talked about abortion in this.

00:13:53.000 You talked about transgender.

00:13:55.000 Just share with them.

00:13:56.000 That was so profound.

00:13:57.000 Yeah, this is going to, I'm going to do my best here in a short period of time.

00:14:01.000 So in Biblical Hebrew, the word create is only ever used with God, never with human beings.

00:14:07.000 Okay?

00:14:08.000 It's never used in the realm of human beings.

00:14:11.000 So to be able to change nature is a new secular German historicist scientist belief.

00:14:17.000 So science, we all love science, but you should love science the right way.

00:14:21.000 Science should be about understanding, exploring the natural world, not trying to change the natural world.

00:14:30.000 That's a big difference.

00:14:33.000 We believe the natural world is worthy of appreciation and understanding because we believe there is a melody and a harmony to the natural world because we believe in Genesis 1:1, in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

00:14:44.000 We do not believe nature is an accident.

00:14:46.000 We do not believe that the natural world just came into existence because of a roll of the dice.

00:14:51.000 It has purpose.

00:14:52.000 It's there for a reason.

00:14:54.000 The original scientific investigation of the West was always under the purposes that this was created and let's better understand it.

00:15:01.000 Sir Isaac Newton, the founder of modern physics, wrote more about biblical prophecy in Isaiah than he ever did about physics.

00:15:10.000 Devout Christians are responsible for all the major scientific breakthroughs until the mid-1800s, which will be a perfect baton to James because it changed in one sense. 1.00

00:15:19.000 These German secular historicists adopted a different belief that we now can be like gods.

00:15:28.000 This ideology was responsible for Nazism, for communism, because then all of a sudden they said, well, if there's a science to the natural world, then there must be a politics, a science of politics, that we could figure out the same way that we can figure out, you know, force equals mass times acceleration, there could be a perfect way to govern human beings.

00:15:44.000 And all these old documents, the Bible is outdated and all of this.

00:15:47.000 And one of the great fallacies of our time that permeates the American academy is because we have technological advancements, we somehow no longer need the ancient treatises or writings or books or documents that used to govern man.

00:16:00.000 Just because you have Twitter and you could fly cross-country from LA to New York does not mean all of a sudden the soul of man has improved.

00:16:07.000 Guess what?

00:16:08.000 The soul in the heart of man without being reborn of Jesus Christ is just as broken today as it was 2,000 or 3,000 years ago.

00:16:17.000 Period.

00:16:17.000 It's unchanging.

00:16:18.000 So what does that do with the trans movement?

00:16:21.000 It is very simple.

00:16:22.000 They do not believe two things we all believe.

00:16:24.000 We believe there is a God and you are not him.

00:16:26.000 Okay?

00:16:26.000 That is clear distinctions.

00:16:28.000 They believe that there is no God and if there was, I want to be God.

00:16:32.000 The trans movement is trying to change biological reality through intrusive interventionist force, which is a perfect segue to James. 1.00

00:16:41.000 Take a riff on that.

00:16:42.000 How wild do we want to get with this?

00:16:44.000 Let me start, if I may, Pastor, with a little exegesis off of Genesis 3.

00:16:49.000 He's one of the best Bible preachers in America, and nobody knows.

00:16:52.000 Yeah, by the way, he knows more about the Bible than most pastors that I know.

00:16:55.000 That's not a joke.

00:16:56.000 I want you to reflect upon what Charlie just said about what trans boils down to, what the queer theory ideology boils down to.

00:17:04.000 And then I want you to realize that the first manipulation of language that's recorded in Genesis 3 is, in fact, this blurring of distinction.

00:17:15.000 By the way, did you know, Eve, you're just like God.

00:17:19.000 There's no real distinction between you and God.

00:17:23.000 And that's literally what we're dealing with.

00:17:26.000 This is why for over two years I've been sitting on stages, not a Christian, and saying we're in the same fight as in Genesis 3, the same story as Genesis 3. 0.94

00:17:35.000 And we have the same risk.

00:17:37.000 But what happens, just to pull out of that and not exegete too long, to come back to talk about this German historicism, what they actually did was they imported from a character a little further back in time, Plato, way earlier, what he called science, in fact, scientia.

00:17:56.000 And scientia for Plato, who was a tyrant, had in his ideal republic, which was a technocratic tyranny, with the philosopher kings sitting on top and their Praetorian guard below to protect, and then the bronze-class workers doing everything and the poor hoipeloi making their miserable way as mud people or whatever. 1.00

00:18:17.000 This technocratic republic had two levels of understanding.

00:18:22.000 What he called scientia was broken into two pieces: episteme, which is the reason that he believed that the philosopher kings had access to, that is the correct science of politics to impose upon everything else.

00:18:34.000 And below that, dianoia.

00:18:36.000 Dianoia was what we would call understanding, and that's what informs techni, which is the ability to do technical work or understand things.

00:18:43.000 This gets imported straight into German through this new age movement and all of these goofy historicists and gets codified by Hegel, who renames episteme in German to hide the fact that he's just stealing somebody else's work and calls it fernunft, which means reason.

00:19:01.000 And then he calls a lower level of understanding, which is actually understanding the world we live in, understanding the distinctions of the world we live in, für Stand.

00:19:09.000 And Vernunft has to rule over Ferstand.

00:19:12.000 This comes to Marx, and he says we have this scientific, there's that word, scientia, scientific socialism, a Wiesenschaft Licher Socialismus.

00:19:21.000 And so the socialist science is now going to dictate exactly how we're going to turn the real science, the understanding of the world.

00:19:29.000 And we read Mao Zedong, and he lays out in a speech he gave in 1957, immediately before he launched what's called the Great Leap, or Great Reset.

00:19:37.000 Which one did he call it?

00:19:38.000 I forget.

00:19:39.000 The Great Leap Forward, which killed 55 million people, tanked the economy so bad that they actually first call it the greatest economic disaster in human history.

00:19:47.000 And secondly, actually, we're able to depose Mao for four or five years because it was so bad they got him kicked out of power.

00:19:54.000 The CCP stayed in.

00:19:55.000 He came back, cultural revolution in 66.

00:19:58.000 But he gives in this speech, he says, you know what?

00:20:00.000 We're going to have a thousand or a hundred.

00:20:02.000 We're going to let 100 flowers bloom.

00:20:03.000 We're going to let 100 ideas and schools contest.

00:20:05.000 He says, we're going to have free speech in China.

00:20:08.000 Except if you're against the socialists, we're going to take away all your free speech because you're not part of us.

00:20:12.000 But if you're a socialist, you have free speech.

00:20:14.000 You can say whatever, criticize the government, blah, blah, blah.

00:20:16.000 He has this as he launches this campaign.

00:20:17.000 And he gives six criteria to determine right from wrong, since now you have to have some method to determine right from wrong, even within the socialist paradigm.

00:20:26.000 What upholds the party?

00:20:27.000 What reinforces socialism?

00:20:29.000 He gives these six criteria, whatever they all are.

00:20:31.000 And then he says, these are the most important.

00:20:32.000 But of course, in the arts and sciences, he goes on.

00:20:34.000 In the arts and sciences, he says, you need to have different ideas.

00:20:37.000 You have to have other authorities.

00:20:38.000 But what possible art or science, he concludes the paragraph with, what possible art and science could exist that contradicts socialism?

00:20:45.000 And so even they will be subject to these six political criteria.

00:20:49.000 In other words, Mao takes their fernungft.

00:20:52.000 He takes the episteme and he overlays it over their first stand or the dianoia.

00:20:57.000 And he says there's a correct way to understand the world and we're going to impose it upon everybody.

00:21:01.000 And now we have this in woke.

00:21:03.000 It's the same thing.

00:21:04.000 Conscientized.

00:21:05.000 You have a critical consciousness.

00:21:06.000 You've left one-dimensional understanding where you understand the world and entered two-dimensional understanding, as Herbert Marcuse explained it, where you have a critical understanding, a moral and teleological understanding of the world that's designed to create a rupture with existing reality so that we can enter into a liberation from existing reality and become fully autonomous.

00:21:27.000 Or as the same Herbert Marcuse, the leading neo-Marxist of the 1960s, wrote in his very creepy sex book in 1955, which is called Eros and Civilization, his first major English language work.

00:21:40.000 He said, the way back into the garden is to take a second bite from the fruit of the tree of knowledge.

00:21:48.000 This is what we are actually up against.

00:21:50.000 And I mean this with utter sincerity.

00:21:52.000 We are up against a cult, the largest cult in human history.

00:21:58.000 It has an inner circle of people who are pulling the strings and they understand what they're doing.

00:22:02.000 It has an inner school of adepts who have studied in Chinese Chui Shi under what Mao made you do. 0.64

00:22:09.000 And it has an outer school of initiates who are learning to see the world from the so-called people's standpoint or the positionality of the oppressed in modern language.

00:22:19.000 We are dealing with the same communist cult, Nazi cult, actually. 0.80

00:22:24.000 They're in the exact same vein.

00:22:24.000 They're not different.

00:22:26.000 They just have two opposite views of oppression.

00:22:29.000 The communists said oppression is bad because we're on the outside, so we should move to the middle and get to be the oppressors.

00:22:34.000 The Nazis said oppression is good because it put people like us on top, so we're going to do more of it.

00:22:38.000 Otherwise, it's the exact same program.

00:22:40.000 Identical.

00:22:41.000 That's the only difference.

00:22:43.000 And what this is, is a cult obsessed with power that begins with the assumption that man is an incomplete being who is capable of completing himself.

00:22:52.000 And at the end of that, he and I quote, becomes God.

00:22:57.000 You want to jump on?

00:22:58.000 I know we're so short.

00:23:00.000 That's all right.

00:23:00.000 Do it.

00:23:00.000 Yeah, I just want for all the believers out there.

00:23:04.000 I cannot emphasize enough how critical it is that after this meeting, you go back to your pastors, you go back to your church member elders, and if they are not actively talking about all these things, you need to stop supporting that church or leave that church and find the pastors that are.

00:23:19.000 The American church needs to understand that this is the greatest manifestation of the spiritual war that is now right in front of us and the lack of moral or biblical or theological clarity on this topic.

00:23:32.000 Isn't it interesting that we have to now go to an agnostic academic to go tell the American church what's actually happening?

00:23:39.000 And that's the point.

00:23:40.000 Charlie, this is now.

00:23:41.000 That's not the word.

00:23:42.000 Give it the G word. 1.00

00:23:42.000 Name it. 1.00

00:23:43.000 Oh, Gnosticism.

00:23:44.000 This is Gnosticism.

00:23:46.000 So this is so important.

00:23:46.000 Yeah.

00:23:47.000 And oh my goodness, we don't have enough time to get into it.

00:23:49.000 Gnosticism, which was proposed in the heretical gospel of Thomas, is now everywhere.

00:23:58.000 And so many pastors, people like Andy Stanley, and yes, I do name the names of these pastors, by the way, and you should too.

00:24:05.000 They are allowing this ideology back into the church via all these sleeper cell vessels.

00:24:14.000 And so we're short on time.

00:24:15.000 I could go deeper into it, but it will determine the future of the kingdom in America.

00:24:21.000 Let me put one leg on that so you can see it's Gnosticism.

00:24:23.000 Let's keep going.

00:24:24.000 Real quick, real quick.

00:24:25.000 It takes 10 seconds.

00:24:27.000 Marx stopped believing that the demiurge, that's a magic Gnostic word, that's the evil demon that rules the world and controls everything.

00:24:33.000 He took it out of the spiritual realm, the God's realm, and he put it in the bourgeoisie.

00:24:38.000 When Marx says the bourgeois class, he means the demiurge.

00:24:42.000 So what do you do?

00:24:43.000 You seize the means of production of man, society, and the world from it, and you become the demiurge.

00:24:48.000 You become the demon.

00:24:49.000 Doesn't that explain all of Marxism?

00:24:52.000 All right.

00:24:53.000 You need to hear this.

00:24:54.000 Charlie, take it. 0.81

00:24:55.000 Just leave me 20 seconds.

00:24:57.000 We are not the only ones as Christians that now are promising eternal life.

00:25:03.000 That's right.

00:25:04.000 Transhumans. 0.97

00:25:06.000 For years, Christianity was popular because we have promised eternity.

00:25:12.000 And now they are too.

00:25:15.000 Transhumanism. 0.78

00:25:17.000 Yeah, so you'll upload your consciousness into the astral realm, right?

00:25:20.000 And then you get to live forever.

00:25:21.000 That's hell, but okay.

00:25:23.000 Yeah.

00:25:24.000 Correct.

00:25:25.000 And so the question is, what are we Christians going to do now when the enemy is trying to promise a falsified, synthetic, obviously heretical version?

00:25:36.000 What they've done is they have appropriated the promise and the beauty of Christianity, and they've put it through a scientific, secular lens.

00:25:44.000 And we're wondering, why are we losing our kids?

00:25:47.000 Well, because they took all Christian elements, for example, the religion of anti-racism. 0.69

00:25:52.000 They take all the sacraments from all of it and then they put it through a lens.

00:25:57.000 Wouldn't that, that's exactly what Satan would do.

00:26:00.000 He wouldn't go create a totally fake and false opposite.

00:26:03.000 He would take the proven elements of Christianity and launder it through a lens that could get people to think that they're doing something righteous and virtuous when in reality they're on the way to hell. 0.86

00:26:15.000 Wow.

00:26:17.000 All right.

00:26:19.000 We're out of time.

00:26:20.000 I'm going to conclude with this.

00:26:22.000 You began with Genesis 3.

00:26:24.000 You talked about Eve.

00:26:26.000 Sin and trouble entered when a human being disobeyed God's command.

00:26:31.000 Protestants don't venerate Mary enough.

00:26:35.000 I struggle over that.

00:26:37.000 But when you see the Magnificat, the amazing thing about Mary is unlike Eve, hope and salvation came into the world by obeying God's commandment.

00:26:50.000 You want to see the nation saved?

00:26:53.000 Do exactly what Benjamin Rush, when he spoke to John Adams, he says, is there any hope for this experiment?

00:27:01.000 And John Adams said, yes, if we fear God and repent.

00:27:05.000 God bless you guys.

00:27:11.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:27:13.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:27:16.000 Thank you so much for listening, and God bless.

00:27:21.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - February 19, 2023

How Good Gets Called Evil, and Evil Good—LIVE from CNP with Dr James Lindsay and Rob McCoy

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