00:00:08.000Today on the Charlie Kirk show, we have Sean Davis from the Federalist.
00:00:11.000We go over the latest on the Flynn investigation, the Russia hoax, the future of the Republican Party, and the state of the presidential race.
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00:02:44.000Let's just deal in facts because I watched MSNBC for about six minutes yesterday and all I heard was Russia, big hoax, disinformation.
00:02:52.000What do we know and how did we get here?
00:02:56.000So right now, there's basically two sources of information on Hunter Biden's foreign business dealings that likely had a big connection with Joe Biden's work in the White House.
00:03:05.000So the first is a laptop that belonged to Hunter Biden that had been dropped off at a repair shop in Delaware and abandoned by Hunter.
00:03:16.000His attorney tried to get it back at some point.
00:03:19.000We've actually got a signed contract from Hunter Biden saying, yeah, I know if I abandon this and I don't pay it, then the person who runs the repair shop ends up owning it.
00:03:29.000So a good chunk of information comes from that laptop, which is Hunter Biden's.
00:03:34.000And the next source of information comes from Bevin Cooney, who is a former business partner of Hunter Biden and Devin Archer and that whole little group at Rosemont Seneca or whatever the name is.
00:03:47.000And I believe he turned over his email account, which has all the original copies of these Hunter Biden emails, to Peter Schweitzer and some other reporters.
00:04:01.000The people who have the information have access to the original primary source documents.
00:04:06.000And what these pieces of evidence show is a pretty wide-ranging, multi-year global effort from Hunter Biden to use his dad's name and use his dad's influence, major deals, multi-million dollar, billion-dollar deals with oligarchs and foreign leaders all around the globe.
00:04:22.000And again, using his dad's name to do it, which is a pretty big concern if you're actually worried about blackmail or foreign interference taking over the White House.
00:04:34.000Where, if anywhere, does the congressional leadership on the Democrat side or the activist media get this narrative that Russia's involved?
00:04:45.000And I actually think there's a great quote from Iowa Hawk on Twitter, David Berg, who said, The point of the news media is to cover stories with the pillow until they stop moving.
00:04:55.000And so that's what they did with the Hunter Biden story.
00:04:57.000When the New York Post first, he's brilliant.
00:05:11.000They tried to ban anyone who posted links to the story, which was very forthcoming and clear about the provenance of its evidence.
00:05:19.000They tried to suppress it on Twitter and on Facebook.
00:05:22.000And when that didn't work, when they were unable to prevent people from hearing about the story, they just decided, okay, we're just going to lie.
00:05:28.000Anything I don't like is Russian disinformation.
00:05:31.000Anyone who disagrees with me is Hitler.
00:05:34.000This is just their mode of argumentation.
00:05:36.000And it's a thing that, you know, kind of growing up as a conservative, we have to learn how to fight constantly, constantly explain our ideas, argue all the time.
00:05:45.000We have to have near perfect command of the evidence.
00:05:48.000All the left does when they come across a fact that they don't like or that is pretty inconvenient, they either suppress it or when that doesn't work, they lie about it.
00:05:56.000I love that phrase, perfect command of the evidence.
00:06:41.000I said, how can you not be talking about this?
00:06:44.000And he said, if Joe Biden's lawyer handed me a hard drive two weeks before an election that he said Don Jr. left in a computer storeroom, you'd better believe.
00:06:54.000And so he just keeps on justifying the, and this is a top-tier reporter, right?
00:06:58.000Like, you know, byline, all that sort of stuff.
00:07:01.000And basically, he also says the New York Post was reckless, and I never would have run with that hard drive without having capacity to do forensics.
00:07:10.000And yet they're quick to run with Trump's tax returns, Melania's phone calls, one-tenth truths about anything that's in the conversation rumor mill.
00:07:37.000Okay, so we lived the past four years.
00:07:39.000We saw what they did with the Steel dossier, which was literal Russian disinformation.
00:07:43.000It was put together by a Russian agent for Oleg Dariposca, sanctioned Russian oligarch with ties to Putin.
00:07:50.000And it used information from Igor Danchinko, the secret primary sub-source who himself was investigated by the FBI as being a potential Russian spy and a national security threat.
00:08:05.000They leaked and lied about Flynn's phone calls.
00:08:08.000I think the most ridiculous example is when Don Jr. was testifying in the House, a shifts committee leaked to CNN emails, which they claimed proved that he had been conspiring, including with WikiLeaks ahead of the release of some of these hacked emails.
00:08:31.000It was some Rando who had emailed him, sending him to a public link of WikiLeaks the week prior, having released already this stuff publicly.
00:08:39.000So you look at 2016 and you think, get yourself in the headspace of where you were then.
00:08:44.000You thought, oh, man, they really botched 2016.
00:09:15.000They control the administrative state.
00:09:16.000And I honestly don't know how a republic survives, especially a democratic constitutional republic like ours, when every single institution of power says, we don't care what happens in the election.
00:09:48.000We'll find out if the social programmers and the ruling power class actually are still in control.
00:09:53.000How much power they actually have, which I think is, you know, more and more clear is an extraordinary amount.
00:10:00.000So you've been on top of the Russia hoax, as you mentioned, the Steele dossier, and their pathological obsession with those stories, misrepresenting them, by the way, over the last couple of years was telling.
00:10:14.000Just non-conjecture, because there's been a lot of tweets that have frustrated me of people that think they've seen things on these laptops of Hunter Biden.
00:10:21.000You know exactly the type of tweets I'm talking about.
00:10:23.000It just bothers me because then it makes our argument harder.
00:10:27.000What legitimately do you think can come out of this first politically for the president?
00:10:32.000Yeah, so that's difficult because in order to figure out what the impact is going to be, you kind of have to understand what the reach is going to be.
00:10:38.000And given that there's an all-out effort to suppress the story, you got Biden hiding in his basement.
00:10:42.000You have the media asking him what his favorite flavor of ice cream is, as opposed to, hey, did you know about all these things Hunter Biden was doing?
00:10:49.000In fact, were you getting money pops, how he's referred to the big guy for this?
00:10:56.000So especially, you know, the debate's going to be a big deal on Thursday.
00:11:00.000If you had a normal debate moderator who was interested in getting the facts out and kind of learning what drives each of the candidates, you might expect something to come out of it.
00:11:08.000But we know she's a longtime Democrat partisan, Welker of NBC.
00:11:14.000She's not going to get within 100 miles of it unless she says, hey, Joe Biden, tell us why Trump is bad for trafficking in Russian disinformation and why he won't just let you become president.
00:11:26.000So I have a really difficult time internally trying to game out how it's going to happen because we know they're in full-on suppression mode.
00:12:01.000But what we've seen over the last 10 years, especially with the mega monopolies like Facebook and Google, and Google being really the biggest example, everyone likes to think of Google as just a search engine.
00:12:12.000But when you look at Google's, not just monopoly over that, but how they are vertically integrated with the whole thing.
00:12:19.000They control how you get online with Google Fiber.
00:12:22.000They control how you get on the internet with their browser, whether it's Android or Chrome.
00:13:27.000I mean, we're so far beyond that, looking at what they're doing, corruptly censoring the president while letting Ayatollah Khomeini say whatever he wants about genocide against the only Jewish democratic nation on earth.
00:13:39.000I think it's time to break him up and eliminate the monopoly market power that they've been using to stifle their competitors.
00:13:48.000I'm going to be really direct with you guys.
00:13:49.000If you're a cellular plan as with Verizon, ATT, or T-Mobile, you're just paying too much.
00:13:54.000You are paying too much for the exact same coverage.
00:13:58.000Look at your cell phone bill where it shows data usage.
00:14:00.000The average person who switches to PeerTalk is using less than four gigs of data a month, but the big carriers are charging you for unlimited data.
00:14:07.000It's like paying for an entire row on an airplane, but you only need one seat.
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00:14:19.000And if you go over on data usage, they don't charge you for it.
00:14:23.000Folks, switching to PeerTalk is the easiest decision you'll make today.
00:15:55.000So I'm open to whatever ideas people have.
00:15:58.000You might be right that the court route doesn't work, but I think it's certainly worth trying and it's certainly worth going down that road because who knows what will happen as a result of it.
00:16:07.000No, and they absolutely are a monopoly.
00:16:09.000And I read this article about the seven lawyers that are going to try to argue that Google's not a monopoly.
00:16:14.000And their arguments are so, I mean, I'm not a lawyer.
00:16:21.000I'm like, there's no way that you can make this argument without being, you know, there's usually, again, some defense attorneys, they make hard arguments for a living, right?
00:16:31.000But no way can you argue that 92% of all search results going through one company is not a monopoly.
00:16:39.000And so, and how about just YouTube on the video space?
00:16:42.000And why exactly are they allowed to vertically integrate at every single portion of the production site from everything, from hardware to have you mentioned fiber optic to all of it?
00:16:52.000And somehow we're supposed to accept the premise that they have a marketplace of competitors.
00:18:16.000And then they started listening to the incoming National Security Advisors' phone calls with world leaders.
00:18:22.000Sergei Kislyak, the Russian ambassador to the U.S., was one of them.
00:18:25.000And they said, oh, oh, oh, this proves he was a Russian agent.
00:18:31.000And this whole plan that was hatched to keep open this investigation of him and then to get him fired was actually launched in the Oval Office of the White House by Barack Obama and Joe Biden themselves.
00:18:41.000The meeting happened January 5th, 2017, where they brought in Sally Yates, who was running DOJ at that time.
00:18:53.000And they said, okay, we better talk about these transcripts of Flynn talking to the Russians.
00:18:58.000And it was Joe Biden who said, you know what?
00:19:00.000I think this might be a Logan Act violation.
00:19:03.000And by the way, this is not my opinion.
00:19:04.000This is in notes from an FBI person who was told of the meeting saying that Biden personally brought up the Logan Act.
00:19:12.000They then used the Logan Act and this nonsense law, which criminalizes private speech by private citizens, has never been prosecuted, is likely unconstitutional.
00:19:22.000They said, you know what, we're going to go interview him.
00:19:23.000We're going to send in Peter Strzok, a corrupt FBI agent.
00:19:27.000We're going to send him into the White House to ambush Flynn, not tell him what we're doing.
00:20:18.000Yeah, they actually, what they did was they were telling him, you need to fill out these filings for your work before you were in government.
00:20:28.000And the DOJ came in and said, actually, we're going to charge you for false filings.
00:20:32.000And the law firm that was representing him on the lying charge and that said, oh, actually, yeah, whatever you do, don't let them ring you up on false statement charges on these filings.
00:20:42.000We want them to ring you up on these false statements to the FBI.
00:20:45.000They had a completely unwaivable conflict of interest.
00:20:48.000And so in came Flynn after he kind of starts finding this stuff out, gets a new lawyer.
00:21:17.000I am increasingly of the belief that we do not have a justice system in our country.
00:21:23.000And I see people like Strzok and Page and every one of them, you know, Brennan, Clapper, Comey.
00:21:30.000And I believe we have more than enough evidence to proceed.
00:21:33.000Some people have, there's two schools of thought here, which is the cynical belief, that's where I am, or the kind of Barr and Durham have a grand jury and they're sealed indictments and they're waiting until after the election.
00:21:45.000My friend Rich Higgins is, and that's, well, we'll wait and see.
00:21:48.000But even beyond that, the fact that Michael Flynn is still going through this kind of legal turmoil is so incredibly immoral.
00:21:56.000It's hard to process that this is happening in our country.
00:22:00.000And meanwhile, the FBI is sitting on Hunter Biden's laptop for nine months, where we can see clearly at the very least, he is guilty of not filing foreign registration forms.
00:22:18.000Let alone there's probably, if you opened any sort of comprehensive investigation, you can probably get him on wire fraud and all sorts of different fraud-related stuff.
00:22:27.000And not to mention his connection to his father and misrepresenting statements and all that destruction of evidence.
00:22:32.000But, you know, we're not the prosecutors.
00:22:34.000We're just, you know, the subjects or whatever, the citizens that have to wait to see what they do.
00:22:39.000Are you losing faith in our justice system?
00:22:42.000Oh, well, to be losing faith, I would have to still have faith in that point.
00:22:49.000And I think John Edwards, if you recall, he was a Democratic VP nominee with John Kerry and 04.
00:22:54.000He was ahead of his time because when he was running for president before he got beaten in that primary, his whole thing was there are two Americans.
00:23:03.000Because in America, there are clearly two different systems of justice.
00:23:06.000There's a justice system if you are a powerful Democrat, and there's a justice system if you have beliefs that the administrative state doesn't think should be legal.
00:24:27.000So, having been on kind of this Russia collusion hoax beat for four years now, I give talks all over the country.
00:24:34.000I meet with conservative voters all the time.
00:24:36.000They know details that, you know, I assume I'm the only one who knows them.
00:24:39.000They know dates, they know names, they've got document numbers.
00:24:42.000I think they're extremely key then on it and they're very well informed.
00:24:46.000So I think there is a potential political benefit there, but it's a benefit only insofar as justice is actually served.
00:24:53.000Because at a certain point, after you've been mad for so long about justice not being served, the longer it goes on without people going to prison, rather than people hungering for justice, it makes them angry that there's none.
00:25:06.000And the risk to the president here is that for four years, we've been told something's going to happen to these guys.
00:25:10.000Barr was saying, yeah, it'll happen before the election.
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00:27:17.000Looking at the 2016 map, Trump really has to hold three close states: Arizona, Florida, and North Carolina.
00:27:25.000And then he's got to pull off probably one, maybe two of the four kind of Midwest Rust Belty states: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.
00:27:37.000And to do that, he's got to do the one thing that the media is not letting him do, which is drive up Joe Biden's unfavorables.
00:27:45.000How many people have a good view of you?
00:27:47.000How many people have a bad view of you?
00:27:49.000And Trump's work bringing up his own favorables after a four-year, completely dishonest onslaught from the media and every institution of power is stunning.
00:28:00.000He really should be losing by 50, given what they have thrown him.
00:28:05.000He's within a couple points in a lot of these big states.
00:28:07.000But the flip side is while he's done a good job getting his favorables back up, probably to where they need to be, Joe Biden's unfavorables are kind of just floating along, same amount, notwithstanding the fact that he's been in office for 50 years.
00:28:18.000So Trump has got to do something to change the narrative to Joe Biden, and he's got to do it with the completely intransigent press that's decided they will not countenance any negative news about the man whatsoever.
00:28:30.000So I think that's his major challenge in the next two weeks here.
00:28:33.000Yeah, and I think that if you're undecided at this point, you're basically a Trump voter in waiting.
00:28:38.000I mean, if you don't hate him yet, I mean, I don't know exactly, I don't really know what compelling story will come out in the next two weeks.
00:28:45.000But like, you know, I actually, I do hate him.
00:28:48.000Like, I mean, I think it's actual people that probably don't love his style, but they do agree with him on substance and they want to tilt his way.
00:28:57.000And I think that actually most elections, the late breakers go to the challenger.
00:29:01.000I think this election will be completely the opposite.
00:29:03.000I think the late breakers will go to Trump because of how much negative coverage and how he's had to climb himself back.
00:29:10.000And what you said is absolutely completely correct.
00:29:13.000The fact that this race is even close just insanely frustrates a lot of the media chattering class.
00:29:20.000They thought they had him dead to rights in April.
00:29:23.000They thought with the virus, they thought with the economic numbers, they thought with all of it, they said, no way can anyone come back to it.
00:29:49.000You have an impeached president who almost goes to war with Iran and you shut down the country and the lockdowns, the economic numbers, everything.
00:29:57.000And yet he's within a couple margin points.
00:29:59.000And he'll probably, no matter what, the one thing I can predict is that if Joe Biden wins, he'll only win by a couple states.
00:30:06.000I don't think he's going to flip, he's not going to flip a Texas.
00:30:47.000I think the center of gravity for the Republican Party has really moved.
00:30:51.000And it's hard to say it's moved right or left.
00:30:53.000It just moved in a, I think, kind of like a heterodox direction.
00:30:58.000And I think it is going to be moving towards what I call conservative populism, what we previously had, which might have been corporate conservatism.
00:31:07.000And you can already see the battle lines forming in the party between, I think, people who kind of came of age politicians in 04 during the Bush era, where they kind of think, oh, once Trump's gone, we'll just get to go back to 04 and we'll get to invade all the countries again.
00:31:24.000And we'll get to kind of do whatever the chamber wants.
00:31:27.000And we'll have open borders and everything will be great.
00:32:18.000And so I think moving forward, you're going to have a Republican Party that's a lot more skeptical of just open borders.
00:32:24.000And they're going to be far, far more skeptical of this kind of needless foreign military intervention all across the world.
00:32:30.000So I think those are the four major things that will really define the party going forward, with or without Trump.
00:32:36.000Yeah, and philosophically, he has, in a lot of different ways, I think, allowed the space for conversations on these topics that otherwise were kind of no-go zones in Republican circles.
00:32:46.000I mean, the Republican orthodoxy was: we are going to invade at least three sovereign countries a year, and you're going to like it.
00:32:52.000And we are going to pander to corporate interests because they're on our team.
00:32:57.000And don't you dare ask a question about immigration policy.
00:33:01.000And what was really interesting is that the early years of the Tea Party movement in 2010, 2011, 2012, there was overlap between some of the needs and wants and wishes of the corporate elite and kind of the grassroots party because they all hated Obama.
00:33:16.000And now Trump, he kind of exposed that there's actually way less in common that the grassroots of the conservative movement has with the corporate elite.
00:33:25.000And I think that's kind of the kind of the corporations and the people that run them.
00:33:29.000They were in great, you know, swimming waters with the grassroots Tea Party people when they were talking about anti-Obamacare, all those things that I agree with, right?
00:33:37.000But then as soon as President Trump also says, oh, by the way, we also want a unified culture, a language, strong borders, and we don't like all these trade deals, the ruling class elites were like, wait a second, we don't like any of that stuff and we don't like you.
00:33:52.000And so in closing, we have about two minutes here.
00:33:55.000What, just more, I guess less specifically or more however you want to answer the question, do you think there's any people in particular that will help shape that direction, win or lose with Trump?
00:34:14.000Yeah, so that's a really good question.
00:34:15.000And I think, personally, I think in terms of Senate classes, so your Rubios, your Cornyns, the guys who came up in 04-ish, and compare them to the class that came in in 14 or 16.
00:34:30.000So wildly, wildly different understandings of where the electorate is.
00:34:36.000And so I think your leaders are going to be your Tom Cottons, your Christy Gnomes, your Josh Hawley's.
00:34:41.000I think they are clearly in the center of where the Republican Party is.
00:34:46.000And I think the Rubios, now, I don't have anything against the guy, but I just think he's representative of kind of an era in Republican politics that it's just not coming back.
00:34:56.000And so I think the center of power, the center of gravity in the party is going to be with the Cottons, the Hawley's, the Gnomes, the Blackburns.
00:35:04.000And I think they're really the future ideologically of the party going forward.
00:35:07.000Yeah, I think if the president wins, that clash will be civil and that debate will be, you know, mutual and respectful.
00:35:14.000If we lose, it'll be a bloody Republican war like we've never seen because there will be the I told you so.
00:35:20.000There will be this whole thing was a mistake.
00:35:23.000There will be a cleansing urge and it'll be definitely something that I think a lot of people will be bitter.
00:35:31.000But anyway, that debate will be one that you and I will be in the middle of.
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