The Charlie Kirk Show - How Hunter Biden Can Cost Joe Biden The Election with Sean Davis

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00:02:11.000 Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:13.000 Super thrilled to be joined today by Sean Davis, who is the co-founder of the Federalist.

00:02:19.000 Sean, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:21.000 Thanks for having me.

00:02:22.000 So there's a lot happening.

00:02:24.000 Your Twitter account is a can't miss Twitter account.

00:02:27.000 Let's start with the Hunter Biden story.

00:02:29.000 What do we know factually today about all of the recent revelations of the laptops being, I guess, surfaced or discovered?

00:02:41.000 And where did this come from?

00:02:43.000 And what do we know?

00:02:44.000 Let's just deal in facts because I watched MSNBC for about six minutes yesterday and all I heard was Russia, big hoax, disinformation.

00:02:52.000 What do we know and how did we get here?

00:02:56.000 So right now, there's basically two sources of information on Hunter Biden's foreign business dealings that likely had a big connection with Joe Biden's work in the White House.

00:03:05.000 So the first is a laptop that belonged to Hunter Biden that had been dropped off at a repair shop in Delaware and abandoned by Hunter.

00:03:15.000 We know it's his.

00:03:16.000 His attorney tried to get it back at some point.

00:03:19.000 We've actually got a signed contract from Hunter Biden saying, yeah, I know if I abandon this and I don't pay it, then the person who runs the repair shop ends up owning it.

00:03:29.000 So a good chunk of information comes from that laptop, which is Hunter Biden's.

00:03:34.000 And the next source of information comes from Bevin Cooney, who is a former business partner of Hunter Biden and Devin Archer and that whole little group at Rosemont Seneca or whatever the name is.

00:03:47.000 And I believe he turned over his email account, which has all the original copies of these Hunter Biden emails, to Peter Schweitzer and some other reporters.

00:03:56.000 So this is not stuff that was hacked.

00:03:59.000 This is not Russian disinformation.

00:04:01.000 The people who have the information have access to the original primary source documents.

00:04:06.000 And what these pieces of evidence show is a pretty wide-ranging, multi-year global effort from Hunter Biden to use his dad's name and use his dad's influence, major deals, multi-million dollar, billion-dollar deals with oligarchs and foreign leaders all around the globe.

00:04:22.000 And again, using his dad's name to do it, which is a pretty big concern if you're actually worried about blackmail or foreign interference taking over the White House.

00:04:31.000 Yeah, I would say so.

00:04:34.000 Where, if anywhere, does the congressional leadership on the Democrat side or the activist media get this narrative that Russia's involved?

00:04:44.000 Oh, they just made it up.

00:04:45.000 And I actually think there's a great quote from Iowa Hawk on Twitter, David Berg, who said, The point of the news media is to cover stories with the pillow until they stop moving.

00:04:55.000 And so that's what they did with the Hunter Biden story.

00:04:57.000 When the New York Post first, he's brilliant.

00:05:00.000 He's brilliant.

00:05:01.000 When the New York Post first had this big break, when they got the laptop, I don't think the left knew what to do with it.

00:05:08.000 So they just tried to disappear it.

00:05:10.000 They tried to ban New York Post.

00:05:11.000 They tried to ban anyone who posted links to the story, which was very forthcoming and clear about the provenance of its evidence.

00:05:19.000 They tried to suppress it on Twitter and on Facebook.

00:05:22.000 And when that didn't work, when they were unable to prevent people from hearing about the story, they just decided, okay, we're just going to lie.

00:05:28.000 Anything I don't like is Russian disinformation.

00:05:31.000 Anyone who disagrees with me is Hitler.

00:05:34.000 This is just their mode of argumentation. 0.89

00:05:36.000 And it's a thing that, you know, kind of growing up as a conservative, we have to learn how to fight constantly, constantly explain our ideas, argue all the time.

00:05:45.000 We have to have near perfect command of the evidence.

00:05:48.000 All the left does when they come across a fact that they don't like or that is pretty inconvenient, they either suppress it or when that doesn't work, they lie about it.

00:05:56.000 I love that phrase, perfect command of the evidence.

00:05:58.000 It's required of us.

00:06:00.000 If we misspeak by one word, we get covered by these very same people that don't do any journalism.

00:06:05.000 But I mean, Sean, I'm going to be honest.

00:06:07.000 I think it's incredibly depressing, the state of American journalism.

00:06:12.000 And I actually think it's really alarming.

00:06:13.000 I'm not sure the country can survive.

00:06:16.000 And I don't mean this in any sort of dystopian way, but the country can't survive if this is how they handle stories.

00:06:22.000 I mean, you have state-run media.

00:06:24.000 Have you seen anything this bad?

00:06:26.000 We saw their coverage of Trump and the Mueller thing, and there was no base of evidence whatsoever.

00:06:32.000 But I was just texting with a top-tier reporter.

00:06:35.000 I'm going to tell you what he said.

00:06:36.000 I'm not going to tell you what reporter it is.

00:06:37.000 You could probably guess.

00:06:38.000 And I just, I had his number out.

00:06:40.000 I just, I just couldn't help myself.

00:06:41.000 I said, how can you not be talking about this?

00:06:44.000 And he said, if Joe Biden's lawyer handed me a hard drive two weeks before an election that he said Don Jr. left in a computer storeroom, you'd better believe.

00:06:52.000 I would be extremely skeptical.

00:06:54.000 And so he just keeps on justifying the, and this is a top-tier reporter, right?

00:06:58.000 Like, you know, byline, all that sort of stuff.

00:07:01.000 And basically, he also says the New York Post was reckless, and I never would have run with that hard drive without having capacity to do forensics.

00:07:09.000 This is their justification of it.

00:07:10.000 And yet they're quick to run with Trump's tax returns, Melania's phone calls, one-tenth truths about anything that's in the conversation rumor mill.

00:07:21.000 Can you help me unpack this?

00:07:23.000 Is it as bad as I'm saying it is?

00:07:24.000 Am I missing something?

00:07:26.000 Oh, I think it's worse than what you're saying it is.

00:07:28.000 So a lot of the times conservatives online will say, oh, imagine how the media would respond.

00:07:33.000 Yeah, I tweeted on our side.

00:07:35.000 I do that all the time.

00:07:36.000 We don't have to imagine.

00:07:37.000 Okay, so we lived the past four years.

00:07:39.000 We saw what they did with the Steel dossier, which was literal Russian disinformation.

00:07:43.000 It was put together by a Russian agent for Oleg Dariposca, sanctioned Russian oligarch with ties to Putin.

00:07:50.000 And it used information from Igor Danchinko, the secret primary sub-source who himself was investigated by the FBI as being a potential Russian spy and a national security threat.

00:08:02.000 And that's just 2016, by the way.

00:08:04.000 Then we moved into 2017.

00:08:05.000 They leaked and lied about Flynn's phone calls.

00:08:08.000 I think the most ridiculous example is when Don Jr. was testifying in the House, a shifts committee leaked to CNN emails, which they claimed proved that he had been conspiring, including with WikiLeaks ahead of the release of some of these hacked emails.

00:08:23.000 He said, oh, yeah, we've confirmed CNN's report. 0.77

00:08:25.000 And CNN said, oh, yeah, we've got him dead to rights.

00:08:27.000 He was talking before this happened.

00:08:28.000 Turns out they fabricated the emails.

00:08:29.000 They got the dates all wrong.

00:08:31.000 It was some Rando who had emailed him, sending him to a public link of WikiLeaks the week prior, having released already this stuff publicly.

00:08:39.000 So you look at 2016 and you think, get yourself in the headspace of where you were then.

00:08:44.000 You thought, oh, man, they really botched 2016.

00:08:48.000 There's no way they could get worse.

00:08:50.000 They're going to reform themselves somehow.

00:08:51.000 And the lesson that they learned from 2016 is we need to do everything we did 10 times worse.

00:08:58.000 We need to lie more.

00:08:59.000 We need to fabricate more.

00:09:00.000 We need to conspiracy theorize more.

00:09:03.000 I don't know how they get worse, but the problem's bigger than the media. 0.75

00:09:06.000 The left controls all the major institutions of power in America. 0.60

00:09:09.000 They control academia.

00:09:10.000 They control Hollywood and the culture.

00:09:12.000 They control big tech.

00:09:13.000 They control the media.

00:09:15.000 They control the administrative state.

00:09:16.000 And I honestly don't know how a republic survives, especially a democratic constitutional republic like ours, when every single institution of power says, we don't care what happens in the election.

00:09:26.000 We're in charge.

00:09:27.000 We will rule you.

00:09:27.000 You will submit.

00:09:28.000 And that's that.

00:09:29.000 Right.

00:09:30.000 No, it doesn't survive.

00:09:31.000 That's the answer.

00:09:32.000 And so that's why I think the president's election is more than just an election.

00:09:37.000 It's a question as, you know, is this system just kind of a facade?

00:09:43.000 Or is there actually some form of a people-centered government?

00:09:47.000 And we'll find out.

00:09:48.000 We'll find out if the social programmers and the ruling power class actually are still in control.

00:09:53.000 How much power they actually have, which I think is, you know, more and more clear is an extraordinary amount.

00:10:00.000 So you've been on top of the Russia hoax, as you mentioned, the Steele dossier, and their pathological obsession with those stories, misrepresenting them, by the way, over the last couple of years was telling.

00:10:14.000 Just non-conjecture, because there's been a lot of tweets that have frustrated me of people that think they've seen things on these laptops of Hunter Biden.

00:10:20.000 I'm like, you're not helping.

00:10:21.000 You know exactly the type of tweets I'm talking about.

00:10:23.000 It just bothers me because then it makes our argument harder.

00:10:27.000 What legitimately do you think can come out of this first politically for the president?

00:10:32.000 Yeah, so that's difficult because in order to figure out what the impact is going to be, you kind of have to understand what the reach is going to be.

00:10:38.000 And given that there's an all-out effort to suppress the story, you got Biden hiding in his basement.

00:10:42.000 You have the media asking him what his favorite flavor of ice cream is, as opposed to, hey, did you know about all these things Hunter Biden was doing?

00:10:49.000 In fact, were you getting money pops, how he's referred to the big guy for this?

00:10:56.000 So especially, you know, the debate's going to be a big deal on Thursday.

00:11:00.000 If you had a normal debate moderator who was interested in getting the facts out and kind of learning what drives each of the candidates, you might expect something to come out of it.

00:11:08.000 But we know she's a longtime Democrat partisan, Welker of NBC.

00:11:13.000 She's not going to ask anything.

00:11:14.000 She's not going to get within 100 miles of it unless she says, hey, Joe Biden, tell us why Trump is bad for trafficking in Russian disinformation and why he won't just let you become president.

00:11:26.000 So I have a really difficult time internally trying to game out how it's going to happen because we know they're in full-on suppression mode.

00:11:32.000 Yeah, no doubt.

00:11:33.000 I make the argument we have two governments in our country.

00:11:36.000 We have the federal government and the Silicon Valley government.

00:11:38.000 And I think the Silicon Valley government's more powerful in a very creepy way.

00:11:42.000 What is the conservative approach to this?

00:11:44.000 Some people say regulate.

00:11:45.000 Some people say break up.

00:11:46.000 I'm open-minded to all of it.

00:11:48.000 What is your analysis on that?

00:11:50.000 So I'll tell you, I've really evolved on this over the last probably 10 years.

00:11:54.000 I used to have the kind of like doctrinaire view: oh, free markets, private enterprise, let them do whatever.

00:11:59.000 The market will sort it out.

00:12:01.000 But what we've seen over the last 10 years, especially with the mega monopolies like Facebook and Google, and Google being really the biggest example, everyone likes to think of Google as just a search engine.

00:12:12.000 But when you look at Google's, not just monopoly over that, but how they are vertically integrated with the whole thing.

00:12:19.000 They control how you get online with Google Fiber.

00:12:22.000 They control how you get on the internet with their browser, whether it's Android or Chrome.

00:12:29.000 They control how you do ads.

00:12:30.000 They control video.

00:12:32.000 They control every single stage.

00:12:34.000 And it's similar to imagine if someone, the same company, made the tires in the engine and assembled the car.

00:12:41.000 They refined the gas.

00:12:42.000 They own the gas station.

00:12:43.000 They own the tar.

00:12:44.000 And they actually control the roads.

00:12:46.000 And they decided, you know what?

00:12:47.000 We have, as members of private enterprise, and we're in the free market here.

00:12:52.000 We don't like you driving to church with our car and using our gas and going on our roads.

00:12:57.000 So, you know, you can just go build your roads somewhere else, take a hike, maybe.

00:13:02.000 Nobody here would stand for that.

00:13:04.000 If we had one gas station in the city that said, yeah, we actually think gas is $50 a gallon.

00:13:09.000 And if you don't like it, you can just start your own.

00:13:11.000 Nobody would stand for that.

00:13:12.000 And yet that's what we're seeing from these big tech monopolies.

00:13:15.000 So I know the topic du jour kind of in the space now is Section 230 reform.

00:13:20.000 Do we get rid of their safe harbor, their immunity for liability for what people say on their platforms?

00:13:26.000 I think that ships sale. 0.56

00:13:27.000 I mean, we're so far beyond that, looking at what they're doing, corruptly censoring the president while letting Ayatollah Khomeini say whatever he wants about genocide against the only Jewish democratic nation on earth.

00:13:37.000 We're so far past 230.

00:13:39.000 I think it's time to break him up and eliminate the monopoly market power that they've been using to stifle their competitors.

00:13:48.000 I'm going to be really direct with you guys.

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00:14:39.000 I'm with you on that, but I'm skeptical.

00:14:41.000 Let me prove to you why I'm skeptical.

00:14:43.000 Today, the Department of Justice files a landmark antitrust lawsuit against Google.

00:14:47.000 Long overdue.

00:14:48.000 You and I have been wanting something like this, right?

00:14:52.000 So they go through this whole thing.

00:14:53.000 Google share price is up 2.6% today.

00:14:57.000 Investors know that this is not going to work.

00:14:59.000 This is nothing.

00:15:00.000 It's not aggressive enough.

00:15:02.000 We tried to break up Microsoft in the 90s.

00:15:04.000 They sued for a decade.

00:15:05.000 Internet Explorer, part of Windows.

00:15:08.000 Microsoft settles for a couple hundred million.

00:15:10.000 Microsoft's now another trillion-dollar company.

00:15:12.000 I don't think these tools are powerful enough.

00:15:14.000 Can you, do you agree?

00:15:16.000 Or what's your opinion?

00:15:19.000 I'm a big fan of using all the tools.

00:15:20.000 We have regulatory powers.

00:15:22.000 We have legislative powers.

00:15:23.000 There's antitrust stuff and court powers.

00:15:25.000 I'm open to absolutely everything.

00:15:27.000 What I am not open to is just throwing up our hands and saying, well, the status quo is the status quo.

00:15:33.000 What can you do?

00:15:34.000 I guess we'll just have to sit and take it.

00:15:36.000 That to me is unacceptable.

00:15:37.000 And I've actually seen that attitude from far too many of our elected leaders in Washington.

00:15:41.000 Because they're funded by Google.

00:15:43.000 Right.

00:15:44.000 Well, I mean, yeah, Google owns just about every think tank there.

00:15:48.000 But what I think we need to start with is the baseline: is the current situation acceptable and is it tenable?

00:15:54.000 And I say, no, it's not.

00:15:55.000 So I'm open to whatever ideas people have.

00:15:58.000 You might be right that the court route doesn't work, but I think it's certainly worth trying and it's certainly worth going down that road because who knows what will happen as a result of it.

00:16:07.000 No, and they absolutely are a monopoly.

00:16:09.000 And I read this article about the seven lawyers that are going to try to argue that Google's not a monopoly.

00:16:14.000 And their arguments are so, I mean, I'm not a lawyer.

00:16:16.000 I never went to college. 0.94

00:16:18.000 I'm just not a dumb person.

00:16:20.000 And I read their arguments.

00:16:21.000 I'm like, there's no way that you can make this argument without being, you know, there's usually, again, some defense attorneys, they make hard arguments for a living, right?

00:16:31.000 But no way can you argue that 92% of all search results going through one company is not a monopoly.

00:16:38.000 Just impossible.

00:16:39.000 And so, and how about just YouTube on the video space?

00:16:42.000 And why exactly are they allowed to vertically integrate at every single portion of the production site from everything, from hardware to have you mentioned fiber optic to all of it?

00:16:52.000 And somehow we're supposed to accept the premise that they have a marketplace of competitors.

00:16:57.000 Who exactly is competing?

00:16:59.000 Like duck, duck, go, really?

00:17:00.000 Like, that's going to be their argument against the DOJ.

00:17:03.000 Like, you know, that duck, duck, go, they're really cutting in our margins.

00:17:06.000 Or how about the video space?

00:17:08.000 Yeah, Vimeo's really giving us a run for our money.

00:17:10.000 I mean, anyone that spends time on the internet knows this is a laughable argument.

00:17:14.000 That's going to be their response to the complaints.

00:17:16.000 So, Sean, I want to talk about something that I wish was covered more.

00:17:22.000 And you have been on the front lines of this, which is Joe Biden's role in targeting Michael Flynn, Logan Act, Russia Gate.

00:17:32.000 We just forget.

00:17:33.000 One of my biggest critiques of the conservative movement is this memory loss.

00:17:37.000 And we just sometimes forget how awful these people have been.

00:17:42.000 Can you walk us through what is the latest with Michael Flynn?

00:17:46.000 What is going on with all this?

00:17:47.000 And how is Joe Biden connected to all of it?

00:17:49.000 Right.

00:17:50.000 So I think the easiest way to do that is go back to 2016.

00:17:53.000 In 2016, the Obama administration convinced itself that Michael Flynn was actually a secret Russian agent.

00:17:58.000 So they started spying on him.

00:18:00.000 They got a counterintelligence investigation opened on him during the campaign while he was advising the president.

00:18:04.000 He was the president's top national security advisor.

00:18:07.000 And about December 2016, after Trump had won, they said, actually, you know what?

00:18:11.000 We didn't find any bad information about this guy.

00:18:14.000 Let's close down the case.

00:18:15.000 It's done.

00:18:16.000 And then they started listening to the incoming National Security Advisors' phone calls with world leaders.

00:18:22.000 Sergei Kislyak, the Russian ambassador to the U.S., was one of them. 0.55

00:18:25.000 And they said, oh, oh, oh, this proves he was a Russian agent.

00:18:31.000 And this whole plan that was hatched to keep open this investigation of him and then to get him fired was actually launched in the Oval Office of the White House by Barack Obama and Joe Biden themselves.

00:18:41.000 The meeting happened January 5th, 2017, where they brought in Sally Yates, who was running DOJ at that time.

00:18:48.000 They brought in James Comey.

00:18:49.000 Susan Rice was in there.

00:18:50.000 And Biden and Obama were in there.

00:18:53.000 And they said, okay, we better talk about these transcripts of Flynn talking to the Russians.

00:18:58.000 And it was Joe Biden who said, you know what?

00:19:00.000 I think this might be a Logan Act violation.

00:19:03.000 And by the way, this is not my opinion.

00:19:04.000 This is in notes from an FBI person who was told of the meeting saying that Biden personally brought up the Logan Act.

00:19:12.000 They then used the Logan Act and this nonsense law, which criminalizes private speech by private citizens, has never been prosecuted, is likely unconstitutional.

00:19:22.000 They said, you know what, we're going to go interview him.

00:19:23.000 We're going to send in Peter Strzok, a corrupt FBI agent.

00:19:27.000 We're going to send him into the White House to ambush Flynn, not tell him what we're doing. 0.91

00:19:31.000 And we're going to get him to lie.

00:19:32.000 And we're either going to get him prosecuted or we're going to get him fired.

00:19:35.000 Those were from the notes of former FBI counterintelligence director Bill Priestat.

00:19:40.000 Again, this is not my opinion.

00:19:41.000 He wrote this in his own hand.

00:19:43.000 And so what happened is they looked at that and they said, actually, you know what?

00:19:47.000 We don't think he lied.

00:19:49.000 We're just going to let this go.

00:19:50.000 We got him fired anyway, so who cares?

00:19:52.000 So in comes Moeller in 2017, and Mueller's people get spun up about Flynn, and they decide they want to put his scalp on the wall.

00:19:59.000 So they decide, nope, he lied.

00:20:02.000 They prosecute him.

00:20:03.000 He pleads guilty because the FBI and the DOJ threatened to go after his son, who just had a baby.

00:20:09.000 And this is happening in late 2017.

00:20:12.000 Turns out Flynn had some pretty bad counsel who were not representing him properly.

00:20:16.000 They're representing both sides.

00:20:18.000 Yeah, they actually, what they did was they were telling him, you need to fill out these filings for your work before you were in government.

00:20:28.000 And the DOJ came in and said, actually, we're going to charge you for false filings.

00:20:32.000 And the law firm that was representing him on the lying charge and that said, oh, actually, yeah, whatever you do, don't let them ring you up on false statement charges on these filings.

00:20:42.000 We want them to ring you up on these false statements to the FBI.

00:20:45.000 They had a completely unwaivable conflict of interest.

00:20:48.000 And so in came Flynn after he kind of starts finding this stuff out, gets a new lawyer.

00:20:53.000 She moves to dismiss the case.

00:20:55.000 Barr opens up a wide-ranging investigation of DOJ and finds massive, massive abuses.

00:21:00.000 They didn't give Flynn exculpatory evidence.

00:21:02.000 They lied about what they had against him.

00:21:05.000 And now DOJ itself is trying to dismiss the case.

00:21:07.000 And a corrupt judge, Emmett Sullivan, will not let DOJ and the defendant, both of whom agree, dismiss the case.

00:21:15.000 And so that's where we are right now.

00:21:17.000 I am increasingly of the belief that we do not have a justice system in our country.

00:21:23.000 And I see people like Strzok and Page and every one of them, you know, Brennan, Clapper, Comey.

00:21:30.000 And I believe we have more than enough evidence to proceed.

00:21:33.000 Some people have, there's two schools of thought here, which is the cynical belief, that's where I am, or the kind of Barr and Durham have a grand jury and they're sealed indictments and they're waiting until after the election.

00:21:43.000 I'm not convinced of that.

00:21:45.000 My friend Rich Higgins is, and that's, well, we'll wait and see.

00:21:48.000 But even beyond that, the fact that Michael Flynn is still going through this kind of legal turmoil is so incredibly immoral.

00:21:56.000 It's hard to process that this is happening in our country.

00:22:00.000 And meanwhile, the FBI is sitting on Hunter Biden's laptop for nine months, where we can see clearly at the very least, he is guilty of not filing foreign registration forms.

00:22:10.000 Like, that's a pretty clear one.

00:22:11.000 That's an easy one.

00:22:12.000 They got Manafort on that one.

00:22:14.000 They've gotten plenty of people on that.

00:22:16.000 That's an easy point on the board.

00:22:18.000 Let alone there's probably, if you opened any sort of comprehensive investigation, you can probably get him on wire fraud and all sorts of different fraud-related stuff.

00:22:27.000 And not to mention his connection to his father and misrepresenting statements and all that destruction of evidence.

00:22:32.000 But, you know, we're not the prosecutors.

00:22:34.000 We're just, you know, the subjects or whatever, the citizens that have to wait to see what they do.

00:22:39.000 Are you losing faith in our justice system?

00:22:42.000 Oh, well, to be losing faith, I would have to still have faith in that point.

00:22:48.000 So, no, my faith is gone.

00:22:49.000 And I think John Edwards, if you recall, he was a Democratic VP nominee with John Kerry and 04.

00:22:54.000 He was ahead of his time because when he was running for president before he got beaten in that primary, his whole thing was there are two Americans.

00:23:02.000 He was dead on.

00:23:03.000 Because in America, there are clearly two different systems of justice.

00:23:06.000 There's a justice system if you are a powerful Democrat, and there's a justice system if you have beliefs that the administrative state doesn't think should be legal.

00:23:15.000 And we've seen it play out exactly.

00:23:17.000 James Clapper, Obama's DNI, blatantly lied to Congress about mass surveillance of Americans.

00:23:23.000 Blatantly lied.

00:23:24.000 They never did anything to him.

00:23:25.000 John Brennan, Obama's corrupt CIA director, completely lied to Congress about whether or not he spied on them.

00:23:32.000 He absolutely did.

00:23:33.000 John Brennan and the CIA spied on the Senate, and he lied about it, and nothing happened to him.

00:23:37.000 And so, yes, I don't have any faith on matters like these and our justice system to actually equally apply the rule of law.

00:23:46.000 That's a sad state of affairs.

00:23:47.000 And so, Flynn is still in some sort of legal thicket.

00:23:50.000 And if Joe Biden wins, I think that they're going to proceed with any of the changes that Barr made in the DOJ towards Flynn.

00:23:57.000 They're going to intensify them because that Obama revenge campaign against Flynn is still very much present.

00:24:03.000 And they would love nothing more than to lock him up and to make him suffer.

00:24:07.000 So let's talk politically.

00:24:08.000 Do you think any of that translates into a political benefit for the president?

00:24:12.000 I'm of the opinion that most people don't care about this stuff.

00:24:15.000 Most people don't follow it.

00:24:16.000 And even kind of like base conservatives, it's hard for people to follow.

00:24:20.000 Do you think any of this widespread injustice translates to a political benefit for the president?

00:24:26.000 I actually think it does.

00:24:27.000 So, having been on kind of this Russia collusion hoax beat for four years now, I give talks all over the country.

00:24:34.000 I meet with conservative voters all the time.

00:24:36.000 They know details that, you know, I assume I'm the only one who knows them.

00:24:39.000 They know dates, they know names, they've got document numbers.

00:24:42.000 I think they're extremely key then on it and they're very well informed.

00:24:46.000 So I think there is a potential political benefit there, but it's a benefit only insofar as justice is actually served.

00:24:53.000 Because at a certain point, after you've been mad for so long about justice not being served, the longer it goes on without people going to prison, rather than people hungering for justice, it makes them angry that there's none.

00:25:06.000 And the risk to the president here is that for four years, we've been told something's going to happen to these guys.

00:25:10.000 Barr was saying, yeah, it'll happen before the election.

00:25:12.000 You'll know what happened.

00:25:13.000 And it hasn't.

00:25:14.000 And at some point, that frustration is going to go from a desire to make sure that good people are in office to a belief that something can descre them.

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00:26:25.000 I think there is an undercurrent of people that do care about this.

00:26:29.000 I don't know if persuadable voters really follow it or care that much about it.

00:26:32.000 I really don't.

00:26:33.000 So just looking politically, what is your analysis of the state of the race?

00:26:38.000 What do you think the president has to do to win?

00:26:40.000 And quite honestly, what is your prediction?

00:26:43.000 So I'll just say straight ahead: I'm not going to make any predictions.

00:26:47.000 I learned my lesson in 2016.

00:26:49.000 I ate a big ol' helping up humble pie, and so I've kind of just decided, you know what?

00:26:54.000 I don't know anything more than anyone else.

00:26:55.000 I don't know who's going to win.

00:26:56.000 I don't think anyone does.

00:26:57.000 Let's see how it plays out.

00:26:58.000 But I can't give you what I think my read of the race is now.

00:27:01.000 So if you believe the polls, which is a massive, massive caveat, a lot of people will dismiss them entirely.

00:27:07.000 A lot of people just put total faith in them.

00:27:10.000 The polls show in the states that matter, Biden's got a small league in most of the states that matter.

00:27:15.000 You're Pennsylvania, your Wisconsin.

00:27:17.000 Looking at the 2016 map, Trump really has to hold three close states: Arizona, Florida, and North Carolina.

00:27:25.000 And then he's got to pull off probably one, maybe two of the four kind of Midwest Rust Belty states: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

00:27:37.000 And to do that, he's got to do the one thing that the media is not letting him do, which is drive up Joe Biden's unfavorables.

00:27:44.000 That's the whole game of politics.

00:27:45.000 How many people have a good view of you?

00:27:47.000 How many people have a bad view of you?

00:27:49.000 And Trump's work bringing up his own favorables after a four-year, completely dishonest onslaught from the media and every institution of power is stunning.

00:27:59.000 It's stunning.

00:28:00.000 He really should be losing by 50, given what they have thrown him.

00:28:05.000 He's within a couple points in a lot of these big states.

00:28:07.000 But the flip side is while he's done a good job getting his favorables back up, probably to where they need to be, Joe Biden's unfavorables are kind of just floating along, same amount, notwithstanding the fact that he's been in office for 50 years.

00:28:18.000 So Trump has got to do something to change the narrative to Joe Biden, and he's got to do it with the completely intransigent press that's decided they will not countenance any negative news about the man whatsoever.

00:28:30.000 So I think that's his major challenge in the next two weeks here.

00:28:33.000 Yeah, and I think that if you're undecided at this point, you're basically a Trump voter in waiting.

00:28:38.000 I mean, if you don't hate him yet, I mean, I don't know exactly, I don't really know what compelling story will come out in the next two weeks.

00:28:45.000 But like, you know, I actually, I do hate him.

00:28:48.000 Like, I mean, I think it's actual people that probably don't love his style, but they do agree with him on substance and they want to tilt his way.

00:28:57.000 And I think that actually most elections, the late breakers go to the challenger.

00:29:01.000 I think this election will be completely the opposite.

00:29:03.000 I think the late breakers will go to Trump because of how much negative coverage and how he's had to climb himself back.

00:29:10.000 And what you said is absolutely completely correct.

00:29:13.000 The fact that this race is even close just insanely frustrates a lot of the media chattering class.

00:29:20.000 They thought they had him dead to rights in April.

00:29:23.000 They thought with the virus, they thought with the economic numbers, they thought with all of it, they said, no way can anyone come back to it.

00:29:28.000 They thought they had him in July.

00:29:30.000 I mean, you remember the numbers in July.

00:29:32.000 He was only down 23 points in one of those polls in Michigan.

00:29:35.000 All right.

00:29:36.000 And the fact he's been able to steadily climb himself back is one of the greatest political comebacks ever.

00:29:42.000 And even if he doesn't win, it'll still go down as someone who's narrowed a race that he had was dead.

00:29:47.000 He was impeached earlier this year.

00:29:49.000 You have an impeached president who almost goes to war with Iran and you shut down the country and the lockdowns, the economic numbers, everything.

00:29:57.000 And yet he's within a couple margin points.

00:29:59.000 And he'll probably, no matter what, the one thing I can predict is that if Joe Biden wins, he'll only win by a couple states.

00:30:06.000 I don't think he's going to flip, he's not going to flip a Texas.

00:30:09.000 He's not going to flip a Georgia.

00:30:11.000 I don't think he's going to flip a South Carolina.

00:30:13.000 And I think the president will actually win Florida and North Carolina.

00:30:16.000 The question is: can the president hold Arizona and hold one of those northern industrial states like Pennsylvania or Michigan?

00:30:22.000 I want to ask you a question that you might find somewhat interesting.

00:30:26.000 What do you think the future of the Republican Party is philosophically?

00:30:30.000 Win or lose, I think that there will be remnants, at the very least, of the Trump philosophy.

00:30:36.000 Can you kind of preview what's going to happen in the coming months and years in the Republican Party?

00:30:42.000 Because I think it's going to be really exciting and very interesting to be part of and cover.

00:30:46.000 Right.

00:30:47.000 I think the center of gravity for the Republican Party has really moved.

00:30:51.000 And it's hard to say it's moved right or left.

00:30:53.000 It just moved in a, I think, kind of like a heterodox direction.

00:30:58.000 And I think it is going to be moving towards what I call conservative populism, what we previously had, which might have been corporate conservatism.

00:31:07.000 And you can already see the battle lines forming in the party between, I think, people who kind of came of age politicians in 04 during the Bush era, where they kind of think, oh, once Trump's gone, we'll just get to go back to 04 and we'll get to invade all the countries again.

00:31:24.000 And we'll get to kind of do whatever the chamber wants.

00:31:27.000 And we'll have open borders and everything will be great.

00:31:30.000 It'll be awesome.

00:31:31.000 We'll have President Rubio.

00:31:32.000 We'll have Vice President Ben Sasse.

00:31:35.000 And I think that kind of mindset doesn't really get what happened.

00:31:40.000 So Trump didn't remake the party.

00:31:43.000 Trump saw where the party was moving.

00:31:45.000 So he actually had a much better instinctive sense of what Republicans wanted than their own so-called leaders did.

00:31:53.000 They wanted border control.

00:31:54.000 They wanted the feeling of security in their nation.

00:31:57.000 They wanted a reassertment of national sovereignty.

00:32:01.000 They wanted China to stop eating our lunch. 0.91

00:32:04.000 They're not anti-free trade, but they're anti-giving away the store to the communist Chinese.

00:32:09.000 They were kind of done with us fighting and losing war after war in the Middle East.

00:32:14.000 Trump didn't do that.

00:32:15.000 Trump identified it and realized it.

00:32:18.000 And so I think moving forward, you're going to have a Republican Party that's a lot more skeptical of just open borders.

00:32:24.000 And they're going to be far, far more skeptical of this kind of needless foreign military intervention all across the world.

00:32:30.000 So I think those are the four major things that will really define the party going forward, with or without Trump.

00:32:36.000 Yeah, and philosophically, he has, in a lot of different ways, I think, allowed the space for conversations on these topics that otherwise were kind of no-go zones in Republican circles.

00:32:46.000 I mean, the Republican orthodoxy was: we are going to invade at least three sovereign countries a year, and you're going to like it.

00:32:52.000 And we are going to pander to corporate interests because they're on our team.

00:32:57.000 And don't you dare ask a question about immigration policy.

00:33:00.000 Stop that.

00:33:01.000 And what was really interesting is that the early years of the Tea Party movement in 2010, 2011, 2012, there was overlap between some of the needs and wants and wishes of the corporate elite and kind of the grassroots party because they all hated Obama.

00:33:16.000 And now Trump, he kind of exposed that there's actually way less in common that the grassroots of the conservative movement has with the corporate elite.

00:33:24.000 And he's exposed that.

00:33:25.000 And I think that's kind of the kind of the corporations and the people that run them.

00:33:29.000 They were in great, you know, swimming waters with the grassroots Tea Party people when they were talking about anti-Obamacare, all those things that I agree with, right?

00:33:36.000 It's complete and total disaster.

00:33:37.000 But then as soon as President Trump also says, oh, by the way, we also want a unified culture, a language, strong borders, and we don't like all these trade deals, the ruling class elites were like, wait a second, we don't like any of that stuff and we don't like you.

00:33:52.000 And so in closing, we have about two minutes here.

00:33:55.000 What, just more, I guess less specifically or more however you want to answer the question, do you think there's any people in particular that will help shape that direction, win or lose with Trump?

00:34:05.000 I get this question all the time.

00:34:06.000 What do you think?

00:34:07.000 I mean, who do you think the thought leaders?

00:34:08.000 Who do you think the people that need to be kind of inched out of the party?

00:34:12.000 What's your take on that?

00:34:14.000 Yeah, so that's a really good question.

00:34:15.000 And I think, personally, I think in terms of Senate classes, so your Rubios, your Cornyns, the guys who came up in 04-ish, and compare them to the class that came in in 14 or 16.

00:34:30.000 So wildly, wildly different understandings of where the electorate is.

00:34:36.000 And so I think your leaders are going to be your Tom Cottons, your Christy Gnomes, your Josh Hawley's.

00:34:41.000 I think they are clearly in the center of where the Republican Party is. 0.56

00:34:46.000 And I think the Rubios, now, I don't have anything against the guy, but I just think he's representative of kind of an era in Republican politics that it's just not coming back. 0.69

00:34:56.000 And so I think the center of power, the center of gravity in the party is going to be with the Cottons, the Hawley's, the Gnomes, the Blackburns. 0.54

00:35:04.000 And I think they're really the future ideologically of the party going forward.

00:35:07.000 Yeah, I think if the president wins, that clash will be civil and that debate will be, you know, mutual and respectful.

00:35:14.000 If we lose, it'll be a bloody Republican war like we've never seen because there will be the I told you so.

00:35:20.000 There will be this whole thing was a mistake.

00:35:23.000 There will be a cleansing urge and it'll be definitely something that I think a lot of people will be bitter.

00:35:31.000 But anyway, that debate will be one that you and I will be in the middle of.

00:35:33.000 I can't wait for it.

00:35:34.000 So, well, thank you, Sean from the Federalist.

00:35:36.000 You do a great job, Sean Davis.

00:35:38.000 And thank you, everyone, for listening.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - October 21, 2020

How Hunter Biden Can Cost Joe Biden The Election with Sean Davis

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