The Charlie Kirk Show - How Joe Biden Just Helped Make Putin Dictator for Life

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00:01:47.000 While you were probably having an enjoyable weekend, you might have missed the fact that Joe Biden might have communicated one of the most clear and one of the actually anything but clear, one of the biggest foreign policy blunders of the last 30 to 40 years.

00:02:06.000 Joe Biden went to Europe and he went to hopefully try to unite the NATO countries and to try to bring forth some form of peace.

00:02:16.000 But instead, Biden did the exact opposite.

00:02:19.000 You see, here's a good rule of thumb.

00:02:21.000 If the United States government was serious about anything, they should just not have Biden talk.

00:02:26.000 Okay, he's president.

00:02:28.000 They implemented him.

00:02:29.000 Massive shenanigans, massive cutting of corners in the 2020 election.

00:02:35.000 We've gone into all of that, and you guys can listen to our conversation with Dinesh D'Souza to go more into that.

00:02:40.000 Okay, he's president.

00:02:41.000 That doesn't mean he has to talk.

00:02:44.000 Biden being president is one thing.

00:02:46.000 Actually, giving him a microphone is a completely different thing.

00:02:49.000 Who's the handler for Joe Biden exactly?

00:02:51.000 Is it Ron Clain?

00:02:53.000 Is it Jen Psaki? 0.51

00:02:54.000 Probably not.

00:02:55.000 Valerie Jarrett, whoever's doing the handling of Joe Biden, they need to make sure that he no longer is able to speak publicly because he did exactly what Putin would want him to do this weekend.

00:03:08.000 So Joe Biden went to Europe.

00:03:11.000 He went to Europe and gave a series of speeches.

00:03:14.000 And there was one 15-second portion of his speech that has gone completely not just viral.

00:03:21.000 It is now policy.

00:03:23.000 Now, we've talked a lot about the dangers of regime change.

00:03:27.000 We've talked about a lot on this program how when the United States is involved in regime change, more times than not, there are issues, power vacuums that follow, then there is actual stability.

00:03:43.000 That when you remove Muammar Gaddafi in Libya, for example, you get slave markets, you get civil war, you get a fracturing of a country.

00:03:52.000 Now, no one in their right mind was a fan of Muammar Gaddafi. 0.60

00:03:57.000 Gaddafi was a thug, just like Putin.

00:03:59.000 But Qaddafi had the country under control. 0.98

00:04:02.000 But now Libya is effectively an Islamic slave state. 0.99

00:04:08.000 It's worse than it ever has been.

00:04:10.000 You see, Libya is a great example for the playground that is the United States State Department.

00:04:18.000 Hillary Clinton even bragged about her involvement in Libya.

00:04:22.000 She thought it was a wonderful accomplishment.

00:04:24.000 Iran is largely run by evil theocratic tyrants because of the United States involving ourselves in the displacement of Mossagh Day and the implementation of the Shah, which then led to the Islamic Revolution to remove the Shah because the Iranian people felt as if Western influence was coming into their country.

00:04:43.000 And the Iranian example is a really good one. 1.00

00:04:46.000 The Iranian example is because when the West involves themselves in foreign policy, when the West involves themselves in other countries' affairs, you better do it right.

00:04:57.000 And you must be very careful because any misstep will be used as a rallying cry and a call for a consolidation of power domestically from other tyrants.

00:05:08.000 So let's listen to what Joe Biden said this last weekend in the last couple of hours that is setting the world ablaze.

00:05:15.000 Play cut one.

00:05:17.000 We will have a different future, a brighter future rooted in democracy and principles, hope and light, of decency and dignity, of freedom and possibilities.

00:05:25.000 For God's sake, this man cannot remain in power.

00:05:31.000 You could tell that was unscripted.

00:05:33.000 You could tell that he was not exactly following his speech.

00:05:40.000 So he's calling for regime change.

00:05:42.000 He's calling for Putin to be removed.

00:05:44.000 Now, what's the significance of this?

00:05:46.000 Well, Putin couldn't have asked for a better equation.

00:05:48.000 Putin could not have asked for a better one-liner.

00:05:52.000 That has now been cut and put all over domestic Russian propaganda television, where he says, see, the West wants to do us exactly what they did to Qaddafi.

00:06:01.000 You see, the West wants to do us what they try to do to Assad.

00:06:03.000 You see, the West wants to do us exactly what they did to Hussein.

00:06:07.000 You see, the West wants to do us exactly what they did to Iran.

00:06:10.000 You see, the West wants to do.

00:06:12.000 You get the point.

00:06:13.000 Let's go to cut three, Hudson Institute's Rebecca Heinrichs on Joe Biden's trip to Europe.

00:06:19.000 Play cut three.

00:06:20.000 Unfortunately, the message is confused, which is why President Biden, I think, kind of worked himself up in this speech, and then he made a comment that he did.

00:06:29.000 This isn't his only gaffe.

00:06:30.000 President Biden also made the gaffe about sending the 82nd airborne into Ukraine, which we're not doing.

00:06:35.000 And he also said that the United States would respond in kind if there was a chemical weapons attack on the part of Russia.

00:06:40.000 So this really was, it was not a good, I think, trip for the president because the three big gaffes really are at cross purposes with the overall message from this administration.

00:06:50.000 Instead of trying to actually broker peace, Joe Biden is actually getting us closer to war.

00:06:56.000 His inability to say a coherent sentence is now a national security issue.

00:07:00.000 So we make fun of his ever-increasing dementia.

00:07:04.000 We make fun of it.

00:07:07.000 We make fun of his mental acuity slipping.

00:07:10.000 But now his lack of mental clarity is an existential threat to the safety of the United States.

00:07:17.000 Let's go to cut six.

00:07:19.000 The White House was in full recovery mode.

00:07:22.000 Secretary of State Anthony Blinken walks back Biden's comments in Warsaw that Putin, quote, cannot remain in power.

00:07:28.000 Play cut six.

00:07:29.000 With regard to the President's incredibly powerful speech yesterday, I think the President, the White House, made the point last night that, quite simply, President Putin cannot be empowered to wage war or engage in aggression against Ukraine or anyone else.

00:07:50.000 As you know, and as you've heard us say repeatedly, we do not have a strategy of regime change in Russia or anywhere else for that matter.

00:07:59.000 Well, they do.

00:08:00.000 And they've had a strategy or regime change for the last 50 years.

00:08:04.000 Central America, South America, Southeast Asia.

00:08:07.000 The United States can't help itself but meddle in the domestic affairs.

00:08:11.000 Now, I'm not defending these regimes.

00:08:13.000 The question is, should you change them?

00:08:15.000 And what happens when you do change them?

00:08:17.000 When you do change them, you create an inexplicable vacuum and sometimes a vacuum that cannot be filled by normal or otherwise stable forces.

00:08:27.000 So Biden went to Europe and Putin became more powerful.

00:08:31.000 Let me say that again.

00:08:32.000 The biggest threat to Vladimir Putin's regime and his reign is not the West.

00:08:38.000 Right now, what keeps Vladimir Putin up at night when Putin is sitting in his bunker with his sinister advisors?

00:08:47.000 Do you know what Putin is focused on more than anything else?

00:08:51.000 It's not even how Ukraine is going.

00:08:53.000 He's focused about that.

00:08:55.000 He's focused on whether or not he is going to have a revolution in Russia.

00:09:02.000 That's what he's worried about.

00:09:04.000 He's worried about a domestic backlash with the currency, the ruble, completely deteriorating.

00:09:12.000 You see, Putin is worried that oligarchs and people will time up together and mobilize forcefully against Putin's reign.

00:09:21.000 So now Putin is able to say, see, the one thing we can all agree on, oligarchs, peasants in the St. Petersburg area or the eastern part of Siberia, the one thing we can all agree is that we don't want the West to tell us how to live our life.

00:09:39.000 So what did Joe Biden do?

00:09:40.000 Joe Biden just sent a power wire transfer directly to Putin.

00:09:48.000 Joe Biden just made Vladimir Putin dictator for life.

00:09:52.000 That clip right there from the mouth of Joe Biden is more than just saying we're going to sanction Russia, that we're going to oppose them.

00:09:59.000 No, no, instead, it's he's got to be removed.

00:10:02.000 Biden went to Europe and Putin became more powerful.

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00:11:30.000 So if we were serious about actually brokering peace, we wouldn't have this joke of a president going to Europe and saying that we need to have a regime change.

00:11:41.000 Now the entire administration is in complete fallout mode there.

00:11:45.000 Of course, this is a backtrack from what Jen Psaki said in Cut 11.

00:11:49.000 But first, here's a montage of congressmen and people on television ripping Biden's speech.

00:11:54.000 Play cut five.

00:11:55.000 By saying that, that regime change is our strategy effectively, it plays into the hands of the Russian propagandists and plays into the hands of Vladimir Putin.

00:12:05.000 It strengthens Putin at home, makes it difficult for any domestic opposition to coalesce together.

00:12:11.000 I wouldn't use those terms because I continue to speak to President Putin.

00:12:15.000 Because what do we want to do collectively?

00:12:17.000 We want to stop the war that Russia launched in Ukraine without waging war and without escalation.

00:12:23.000 Well, this will escalate it.

00:12:24.000 And now Vladimir Putin is able to tell the oligarchs and the people that he fears the most: you see, the West is trying to destabilize me.

00:12:32.000 The West is trying to take me out.

00:12:35.000 And now we need to stand together.

00:12:36.000 You might not like me.

00:12:37.000 You might not agree with the invasion of Ukraine, but we all agree that the West is the enemy. 0.53

00:12:45.000 You see, what Joe Biden doesn't understand, and this is the problem because people say, well, Charlie, we can't go after his mental decline.

00:12:52.000 Well, yeah, when you give him a microphone and he goes to Europe, then all of a sudden his mental decline becomes an international security issue.

00:12:58.000 So that one 13-second clip, that singular sentence where he says, look, we just need to get rid of him.

00:13:03.000 He's got to go.

00:13:04.000 He's just got to go.

00:13:06.000 It's a big deal.

00:13:07.000 Outwardly calling for the regime change of one of the most powerful countries on the planet, especially one that is invading another country that you allegedly want to support.

00:13:19.000 So if you actually want the sanctions to work, if you actually want this kind of stranglehold on Russia to be effective, you would say the opposite, actually.

00:13:31.000 You would say the opposite.

00:13:32.000 You would say, look, Putin, he's kind of a joke.

00:13:37.000 Putin's actually not that strong of a person.

00:13:40.000 We'll see what the people end up deciding.

00:13:42.000 That would have been incredibly destabilizing of Vladimir Putin.

00:13:48.000 It would have been destabilizing if Biden would have underplayed Putin.

00:13:52.000 Do you see the way that they're able to communicate that is say, we in the Putin regime are such a threat to the West that they have to make a special trip to Europe and call for our displacement, especially after the track record of Western influence that has happened in the last couple of years.

00:14:11.000 And so, but this is a complete contradiction, of course, to what Jen Psaki said back on March 4th, where she said, look, we're not going to tell anyone that they have to be removed from power.

00:14:22.000 Regime change is not a policy of this administration.

00:14:25.000 Play cut 11. 0.58

00:14:26.000 Senator Lindsey Graham said last night that someone ought to assassinate President Putin.

00:14:32.000 Does the White House have any take on that statement?

00:14:35.000 Is it helpful at this point?

00:14:36.000 That is not the position of the United States government, and certainly not a statement you'd hear come from the mouth of anybody working in this administration.

00:14:43.000 No, we are not advocating for killing the leader of a foreign country or regime change.

00:14:48.000 That is not the policy of the United States.

00:14:50.000 For God's sake, this man cannot remain in power.

00:14:55.000 It certainly is the policy now of this administration, and the consequences of this are severe.

00:15:01.000 The consequences are you're making Vladimir Putin dictator for life.

00:15:05.000 Now, are we pursuing a policy of Russian roulette with Russia? 0.91

00:15:09.000 I want you to think about that.

00:15:10.000 This is not prudent foreign policy.

00:15:12.000 You might as well just be rolling the dice and gambling as we are dealing with the Russian Federation. 0.98

00:15:18.000 So the question is this: did the Biden blunder increase or didn't decrease the odds of Vladimir Putin using nuclear weapons?

00:15:26.000 And remember, Joe Biden did not stutter when he does that.

00:15:29.000 Usually he does with gaps.

00:15:30.000 This is something that he deeply believes.

00:15:34.000 Joe Biden would love nothing more than to try to execute a CIA operation against Vladimir Putin.

00:15:40.000 Was this top secret talks that slipped out of an undisciplined mind?

00:15:44.000 Is this something that he didn't mean to say or something that he said that he didn't mean?

00:15:55.000 Those are two different things.

00:15:57.000 So did he say something wrong?

00:15:58.000 Like, oh man, that was a mistake.

00:16:00.000 Or is it a mistake that he said it?

00:16:03.000 I would argue that most likely it's something that he believes that he didn't mean to say.

00:16:10.000 What does that mean for the United States government?

00:16:12.000 What does that mean for our current policy towards the Russian Federation?

00:16:17.000 I don't think peace is coming anytime soon, unfortunately.

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00:18:40.000 One of the most popular websites on the planet is Babylon Be.

00:18:44.000 I just love reading from their website.

00:18:46.000 If you aren't familiar with BabylonB.com, you should be.

00:18:48.000 It is a satire website.

00:18:50.000 You're supposed to laugh.

00:18:51.000 The left hates comedy because comedy is rooted in truth, saying things that you know are true that you might not have thought of that are right in front of you.

00:18:59.000 And so Babylon Bee tweeted out something about Ricardo Levine, who is the four-star admiral in the Navy that Joe Biden appointed.

00:19:10.000 They got suspended from Twitter.

00:19:11.000 We tweeted something similar.

00:19:13.000 We got suspended from Twitter, and we're both not deleting.

00:19:16.000 So with us right now is Seth Dylan, who is the mastermind behind the Babylon B. Seth, welcome back to the program.

00:19:22.000 Hey, thanks for having me back, Charlie.

00:19:24.000 Good to be here.

00:19:24.000 So Seth, you're not deleting.

00:19:26.000 We're not deleting.

00:19:27.000 What's hilarious is we actually didn't talk.

00:19:29.000 We kind of came to that conclusion independently.

00:19:32.000 So walk us through kind of why you won't bend the knee to Twitter, and I'm sure I'll agree.

00:19:38.000 Yeah, we decided that we weren't going to, I mean, that's exactly how we saw it.

00:19:41.000 We saw it as bending the knee.

00:19:43.000 I'm sure you did too.

00:19:44.000 And that's why we came to this conclusion independently and didn't have to like coordinate the effort.

00:19:47.000 I mean, it's one of these situations where they're not just saying, you know, you violated our terms.

00:19:53.000 So we're going to delete the tweet for you.

00:19:55.000 They're saying you need to delete it.

00:19:56.000 And when you delete it, you're attesting to the fact that you acknowledged that you engaged in hateful conduct.

00:20:02.000 And we're just sitting here like, come on.

00:20:04.000 I mean, you can't ask that of us.

00:20:06.000 You can't ask us to admit that we engage in hateful conduct.

00:20:09.000 Of course, we dispute that we did.

00:20:10.000 For one thing, our post was a joke, right?

00:20:13.000 It's a satirical parody of a real world story that happened where Rachel Levine was named woman of the year by USA Today.

00:20:20.000 So we're cracking a joke about that.

00:20:22.000 But on the other hand, like you said, you know, comedy is rooted in the truth.

00:20:26.000 And this particular joke is rooted in the truth that a biological male person is a man.

00:20:32.000 And so that's the truth.

00:20:34.000 That's the basis behind the joke.

00:20:36.000 And we're certainly not going to say that two and two make five here so that we can get back in Twitter's good graces.

00:20:43.000 So I'm sure you agree with us that that's a good reason to, as good a reason as any to take a stand.

00:20:49.000 So it says violating our rules against hateful conduct.

00:20:52.000 You may not promote violence against, threaten, harass other people, other or harass other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability, or serious disease.

00:21:04.000 Funny, I get harassed of those things all the time on Twitter.

00:21:07.000 And people don't get banned, but whatever.

00:21:10.000 But we got accused of dead naming.

00:21:12.000 I'm not sure if you're familiar with this or not, Seth.

00:21:15.000 Dead naming is using the name that someone had on their birth certificate, like Cassius Clay before he became Muhammad Ali.

00:21:23.000 We should have just said Ricardo Levine, not Richard Levine.

00:21:27.000 But talk more broadly here, Seth, about how important it is that we don't just give Twitter what they want.

00:21:34.000 So I don't have access to my Twitter account.

00:21:36.000 You don't have access to your Twitter account at the Babylon Bee.

00:21:39.000 Those are big platforms.

00:21:40.000 Tucker doesn't either.

00:21:42.000 So this is a growing thing.

00:21:44.000 Do you think Twitter's going to respond to our appeals or are we just never going to get back on Twitter?

00:21:51.000 We may never get back on Twitter, but my comment on that is then so be it.

00:21:57.000 I mean, I think you want me to comment on the importance of this or like what or why, you know, why this is why this is necessary, why we feel this is like a hill to die on.

00:22:06.000 I mean, if we can, if everybody just simply rolls over and does whatever Twitter wants and engages in this kind of like reality denial where we all have to use the language they want us to use, affirm the things they want us to affirm, refuse to deny things that we wish to deny, then we're just handing them power that they shouldn't have over us.

00:22:29.000 We're giving them more power than they should have over us.

00:22:32.000 And so I think that Twitter will face, if they eventually get to the point where they're asking people to say and believe or not say what they believe, things that are just so outrageous and outlandish and insane that people in large numbers finally say, you know, no, we're not going along with this.

00:22:52.000 We're not deleting our tweets.

00:22:54.000 We're not going to abide by your rules.

00:22:56.000 Twitter is going to ban themselves into irrelevance at some point.

00:23:00.000 But unless and until somebody takes a stand, a bold stand, somebody with a following that's got some influence, people aren't going to be emboldened to follow suit.

00:23:09.000 And I think that once you get one person that stands up, another might feel a little emboldened to do it.

00:23:14.000 And then another and then another.

00:23:15.000 And the next thing you know, you've got a mass of people who are standing in defense of truth and reason and goodness and freedom.

00:23:25.000 And maybe that'll happen.

00:23:26.000 I don't know.

00:23:27.000 That wasn't what we were originally planning on like trying to lead that charge.

00:23:31.000 We were just simply standing on principle and saying the right thing to do is not delete this tweet.

00:23:36.000 Yeah.

00:23:36.000 And it's interesting.

00:23:37.000 So Dan Bongino tweeted out my tweet as well, and he hasn't been banned.

00:23:40.000 So Twitter is, in some ways, they don't want to escalate this further.

00:23:44.000 They don't want to draw more attention to it.

00:23:46.000 It seems as if they are fine with you and I not being on Twitter, fine with Tucker, but are they really willing to purge the entire conservative movement?

00:23:54.000 That's a question, right?

00:23:55.000 And so there's now rumblings that someone you know that has come on your podcast, the world's wealthiest man, Elon Musk, very well might be starting his own social media site.

00:24:06.000 What are you hearing with this?

00:24:08.000 I think it's a possibility.

00:24:09.000 I mean, he did tweet about it.

00:24:10.000 So he's like, he's gone on the record saying that he's that he's exploring this very seriously, this idea of potentially either, well, I mean, what he was, the specific question that he was dealing with in his Twitter poll was, is Twitter committed to free speech?

00:24:27.000 And he was telling people, you know, the results of this poll are going to have important consequences.

00:24:31.000 So I'm going to act on the basis of the results of this poll.

00:24:34.000 And 70% of people said, no, Twitter is not dedicated to free speech.

00:24:39.000 They don't value that.

00:24:40.000 And so, you know, he's now asking, well, what should be done about it?

00:24:44.000 Is a new platform necessary?

00:24:46.000 I think, you know, Musk is a man of action.

00:24:48.000 He likes to solve problems and he has resources like nobody's ever had to go after and solve problems.

00:24:55.000 And he's a pretty smart guy.

00:24:57.000 So, you know, I don't think he doesn't just go to the public with stuff like this lightly.

00:25:00.000 I'm sure there's things that he's like toyed with the idea of doing something and then didn't do it.

00:25:06.000 I think he even thought about making a candy company at one point and then didn't end up going forward with that.

00:25:12.000 But, you know, he's, I think, I think speech, he's called himself a free speech absolutist, which I love.

00:25:18.000 And if it really matters to him that much and he feels it's that important for the health of our society, of our democracy that we have free expression, then who knows?

00:25:28.000 He may take action here and try to do something.

00:25:30.000 I just have questions about, you know, how effective these alternative platforms can be.

00:25:35.000 So yeah, what would that potentially, I mean, Elon could buy Twitter based on the market cap right now.

00:25:40.000 I mean, it would probably be the share price would skyrocket, right?

00:25:44.000 But I suppose, I mean, there's Truth Social coming out.

00:25:48.000 There's Parlor.

00:25:49.000 There's Getter.

00:25:50.000 Is there a need for kind of a less outwardly conservative social media site?

00:25:55.000 And would Elon potentially lead that?

00:25:59.000 Well, I mean, if it's a free speech social media platform, it's a conservative platform.

00:26:05.000 What do leftists hate more than free speech?

00:26:07.000 I mean, what do they love more than censorship?

00:26:11.000 You know, it's like, it's right up there with talking to little kids about sex and gender.

00:26:14.000 It's one of their favorite things, right?

00:26:17.000 So I mean, misinformation and hate speech, they want to clamp down on those so aggressively.

00:26:24.000 And of course, you know, their definition of misinformation and hate speech is just like opinions that they don't like.

00:26:29.000 It's people that they don't like for the most part.

00:26:32.000 Obviously, you know, there's unlawful and terrible speech that moderation is sometimes warranted for.

00:26:38.000 But the left really loves censorship.

00:26:40.000 They really love censorship of views that they disagree with because they consider words that they disagree with to be violence and they have to do away with that.

00:26:48.000 So even if Musk were to do something that was more like politically central or neutral and that wasn't like a conservative haven or pitched that way to the public, he would still have this problem of he's pursuing a free speech platform.

00:27:02.000 And leftists aren't going to leave Twitter in droves for a free speech platform when they want heavy-handed censorship.

00:27:07.000 So in my mind, you know, there is some sensibility, I think, to the possibility of Trump taking over Twitter.

00:27:14.000 If that's even, is it feasible?

00:27:15.000 I don't know.

00:27:16.000 I don't know anything about that kind of stuff deals at that level for a public company like that.

00:27:22.000 But if he were to do that, then they might stay on the platform because they have no alternative.

00:27:27.000 They have nowhere else to go.

00:27:28.000 Where else are they going to go?

00:27:30.000 They would have to go start their own censorship-heavy platform, and they would have to decide whether they wanted to flee.

00:27:37.000 They'd be in the position that conservatives are in now, being on a platform that doesn't want them there.

00:27:42.000 Leftists would be on a platform that they don't want any part in, and they would have to decide do they want to leave it and to create a new one.

00:27:47.000 So I don't know, man.

00:27:49.000 I don't know if an alternative is ever really going to get off the ground and chip away at the market share of these major companies that have tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions of daily active users and function as the public square of the modern age.

00:28:03.000 Just talk about the success your website is having, BabylonB.com.

00:28:07.000 I mean, it's hard to kind of distinguish some of the headlines from reality, which I think is why, you know, it's so successful.

00:28:14.000 For example, Are You a Woman? 12 Signs to Look For, BabylonBee.com.

00:28:21.000 Some of those are good, by the way.

00:28:22.000 If you read through that, it's pretty funny.

00:28:24.000 It's hilarious.

00:28:24.000 No, I mean, I could read some of them on here.

00:28:26.000 Or it says, Leah Thomas, confused as to why teammates keep asking her to open pickle jars.

00:28:32.000 I mean, it's so on the edge that you could circulate these to your friends and they have to do kind of a double glance.

00:28:37.000 Like, that could be true.

00:28:38.000 I mean, in a world where satire is so closely blended with reality, so talk.

00:28:44.000 I mean, your website, I mean, your entire news media kind of empire is exploding.

00:28:50.000 Yeah.

00:28:51.000 Well, I mean, the success, this idea that, you know, these, this, these headlines are so believable.

00:28:57.000 I mean, that's true, but I think that's, I think that this is a point I often make is that's that's definitely an indictment of reality, right?

00:29:04.000 Reality is too close to satire, not the other way around.

00:29:07.000 And when we make a joke about CNN praising the Taliban for responsibly wearing masks, the reason that that goes viral and that so many people share it and so many people think it's funny is because that's it's it's great commentary on CNN and their bias.

00:29:23.000 It's because of their track record that that joke lands and that it and that it's really funny.

00:29:27.000 But it's believable also because of their track record.

00:29:30.000 And that's why, you know, sometimes there's some confusion and our stories have to get fact-checked and rated false before you buy into this dangerous misinformation.

00:29:38.000 But yeah, we've seen a tremendous amount of success because I think one of the reasons, honestly, why I feel like we're being so successful right now is because we're doing something that a lot of comedians today aren't willing to do.

00:29:49.000 Instead of promoting the popular narrative, we're poking holes in it.

00:29:52.000 And that's what comedians are supposed to do.

00:29:53.000 You're supposed to poke holes in it.

00:29:54.000 You're supposed to subject these things to scrutiny and ridicule.

00:29:59.000 Say, are we okay with this stuff?

00:30:01.000 Are we okay with these ideas?

00:30:02.000 Are we okay with these policies? 0.93

00:30:04.000 Are these people hypocrites that are pushing this stuff on us?

00:30:07.000 You know, the comedian is supposed to examine that stuff and challenge that stuff and do it in a lighthearted way, in a fun way, but that exposes and points to the truth.

00:30:16.000 And a lot of comedians are just interested in promoting the popular narrative instead of poking holes in it.

00:30:21.000 So comedians who are willing to challenge the narrative are going to get a huge audience because that's what real comedy does.

00:30:27.000 So if we're doing that effectively, that's the reason that we're growing.

00:30:30.000 It's terrific.

00:30:31.000 Well, this one, What is a Woman? 12 Signs to Look For is one of the funniest things I've read in a long time. 0.94

00:30:36.000 BabylonB.com.

00:30:37.000 Yeah, read a couple of those.

00:30:38.000 It's a good article.

00:30:39.000 Yeah.

00:30:40.000 Are you always cold?

00:30:42.000 Do you, as a human being, ever popped out of you?

00:30:44.000 Do you have two X chromosomes?

00:30:46.000 And others that I'm sure would offend many listeners in our audience because they're like, that's not true.

00:30:50.000 Well, it kind of is.

00:30:52.000 Let's play cut 13 here of the CEO of Twitter, Parag Agarwal, during a 2020 speech saying, quote, our role is not to be bound by the First Amendment.

00:31:02.000 Then I want your reaction, Seth.

00:31:04.000 Play cut 13.

00:31:05.000 Our role is not to be bound by the First Amendment, but our role is to serve a healthy public conversation.

00:31:12.000 And our moves are reflective of things that we believe lead to a healthier public conversation.

00:31:19.000 The kinds of things that we do to work about this is to focus less on thinking about free speech, but thinking about how the times have changed.

00:31:30.000 One of the changes today that we see is speech is easy on the internet.

00:31:34.000 Most people can speak.

00:31:36.000 Where our role is particularly emphasized is who can be heard.

00:31:41.000 Seth, your reaction, if you can understand that.

00:31:43.000 Who can be heard?

00:31:44.000 They're going to decide who can be heard.

00:31:47.000 You know, Twitter has held themselves out there.

00:31:49.000 Even if even if they're, you can read their hateful conduct policy.

00:31:52.000 I'm going to read like a little brief section of this real quick, right above where we supposedly you and I violated this policy.

00:31:58.000 It says that Twitter's mission is to give everyone the power to create and share ideas and information and to express their opinions and beliefs without barriers.

00:32:06.000 Free expression is a human right.

00:32:08.000 We believe that everyone has a voice and the right to use it.

00:32:11.000 Our role is to serve the public conversation, which requires representation of a diverse range of perspectives.

00:32:17.000 That sounds like a ringing tribute to free expression right there.

00:32:20.000 I mean, it sounds like they're all about free speech.

00:32:23.000 But then when you actually dig down into their terms of service, you know, they have these policies that are based on like an ideology, a very progressive ideology that most people don't even agree with.

00:32:33.000 The majority of Americans don't agree with it, but it's baked into the terms of service.

00:32:38.000 So you have to agree with it in order to use the platform.

00:32:41.000 So on the one hand, they're saying, you know, what they're giving with one hand, they're taking away with the other and saying that this is a free speech place.

00:32:48.000 We want everyone to express their ideas and be free to express their ideas.

00:32:52.000 But then with the other hand, they take that away and say, oh, but your ideas have to line up with our extremely radical progressive ideology.

00:32:58.000 Are you cool with that?

00:33:00.000 So are you optimistic that this is going to kind of help red pill a bunch of people?

00:33:05.000 Like the work you're doing, kind of, I mean, I have a term that I use, which is called like the Rogan voter, right?

00:33:11.000 The Joe Rogan voter, they're not a radical.

00:33:14.000 They're politically independent.

00:33:16.000 You know, they might be more libertarian, which I'm not, but whatever, you know, but they definitely don't like petty authoritarianism.

00:33:24.000 They don't like inconsistencies.

00:33:26.000 They don't like people getting clamped down for humor.

00:33:29.000 You know the type of demographic I'm talking about.

00:33:31.000 That's 15 to 20 million people strong who otherwise would have been reliable Democrats.

00:33:36.000 You can call them kind of the Rogan swing voter.

00:33:39.000 I can't imagine this sort of pattern of behavior makes them more likely to become leftists.

00:33:47.000 I don't think so.

00:33:48.000 I mean, they're pretty fired up about it too.

00:33:50.000 You know, I know people like Rogan are supportive of us, both of us for taking a stand and not backing down.

00:33:57.000 You know, they're not necessarily, these are not necessarily conservatives, but yeah, they value freedom and they don't like to see people's freedom being trampled on.

00:34:06.000 And I think that's an that's that's an important thing to unify around.

00:34:09.000 You know, if we can't agree on everything as conservatives, well, at least if we're unifying around freedom, then we have the right to disagree with each other on those other things.

00:34:18.000 And so, you know, I'm happy to lock hands or walk in lockstep with people who value freedom like that.

00:34:25.000 I'm honored to share a Twitter jail cell with you.

00:34:27.000 I think it's very noble of you and very brave of you to be taking a stand on this.

00:34:31.000 I mean, look, you and I both stand to gain a lot by being on Twitter.

00:34:35.000 We have large platforms on there.

00:34:37.000 We reach a tremendous amount of people.

00:34:39.000 We're connected to a bunch of people.

00:34:40.000 We're in the conversation when we're on that platform.

00:34:43.000 If we refuse to delete the tweet and get back on there, we're really giving something up.

00:34:47.000 I don't know that people really realize how much you give up when you have a voice in a platform like that and you sideline.

00:34:53.000 I mean, it's the reason that I'm connected to Elon Musk and Joe Rogan and all these people, you know, is because of Twitter.

00:34:58.000 And so, you know, to sideline yourself from that is a big thing.

00:35:01.000 And in this whole conversation, I'd be very interested in hearing your perspective on like, what is the answer to this?

00:35:06.000 What is it?

00:35:07.000 Is it legislation?

00:35:08.000 Does Congress fix this problem?

00:35:10.000 How do we fix this problem?

00:35:11.000 Yes, we should have broke up these companies a long time ago.

00:35:13.000 We should have had, I think, you know, much more robust free speech protections for any sort of company that has 50 to 100 million plus users.

00:35:22.000 I mean, that's not the same free speech protections for like a local bowling club, right?

00:35:27.000 Or a local florist.

00:35:28.000 I mean, you are now the essential public square.

00:35:31.000 And anyone who rejects that, I think has no prudence at all whatsoever in how to approach policy.

00:35:37.000 And then finally, we have to create our own competitors.

00:35:41.000 And that's what Truth Social is trying to do.

00:35:43.000 And Elon could just totally change the game.

00:35:45.000 But BabylonB.com, Seth, thank you so much.

00:35:48.000 And jail's not too bad with you, I have to say.

00:35:52.000 So, because more, we don't have to go to real jail.

00:35:55.000 That's where they want us.

00:35:56.000 All right.

00:35:57.000 That's next.

00:35:57.000 Thank you so much.

00:35:58.000 Appreciate it.

00:35:59.000 Hope not.

00:35:59.000 Thank you so much for listening.

00:36:00.000 Everybody, email us your thoughts.

00:36:01.000 As always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:04.000 Thank you so much for listening.

00:36:05.000 God bless.

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