The Charlie Kirk Show - How Many Illegals Does America Have? And How Many Vote?

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, a very important hour here.

00:00:02.000 We break down probably the two most critical vectors of attacking our elections in 2024.

00:00:12.000 That is, can illegals vote?

00:00:15.000 We welcome Andrew Arthur, a fellow from the Center for Immigration Studies and a former immigration judge, to break down how many illegals we have, what's the foreign-born population, and can they vote?

00:00:27.000 A very, very critical question that a lot of people are asking.

00:00:30.000 We talk about it here.

00:00:32.000 Then we're joined by the ladies who are behind an important and critical lawsuit challenging Biden's unconstitutional executive order 14019 that turns 600 federal agencies into get out the vote arms for the Biden regime.

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00:03:35.000 But I'm going to talk about immigration because we have some pretty nuanced, not even that nuanced, pretty aggressive opinions about immigration on this show.

00:03:44.000 And I'm going to welcome now Andrew Arthur, who's a fellow in law and policy at the Center for Immigration Studies.

00:03:51.000 Andrew, welcome to the show.

00:03:53.000 Andrew, thank you so much for having me.

00:03:55.000 Yeah, another Andrew.

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00:03:57.000 So, let me just give you a little bit of your background, a little bit of a bio for our audience so they understand your bona fides here.

00:04:04.000 You're a former immigration judge.

00:04:06.000 God bless you for that.

00:04:08.000 We might need to throw you back into service, sir, soon.

00:04:11.000 And in a prior life, he was the staff director of the National Security Subcommittee at House Oversight and Government Reform.

00:04:19.000 And you had several hearings during your time there on this specific subject that we're going to talk about.

00:04:25.000 And by the way, there's some new data out of how many foreign-born, and I want to get into that new study that you guys have released.

00:04:31.000 But specifically, sir, I want to talk about this question.

00:04:35.000 It feels very, very central to the November discussion about this election.

00:04:40.000 Biden is down on all the polls, but he's eerily confident.

00:04:44.000 He's saying that Trump is the one who's not going to accept the results.

00:04:47.000 He's saying that the polling's all wrong.

00:04:49.000 He's barely campaigning, but all of this has this eerie 2020 feel, if you're paying attention.

00:04:56.000 And the question is: can illegal immigrants vote?

00:05:00.000 There might be 10 million here right now.

00:05:02.000 There might be 12.

00:05:04.000 We actually kind of don't know.

00:05:05.000 You guys have some great estimates on that.

00:05:07.000 So let's just take the conservative approach.

00:05:09.000 Let's say there's 6.6 million illegals in Joe Biden's time.

00:05:14.000 Can they vote?

00:05:15.000 What are the rules?

00:05:17.000 So by law, they can't vote.

00:05:19.000 In fact, for any alien, legal or illegal, green card holder or otherwise, they're not allowed to vote under 18 United States Code 611, which makes it a misdemeanor for any individual who's not a United States citizen to vote.

00:05:33.000 It's also important to note, Andrew, that it's a ground of deportability under Section 237A6 of the INA of the Immigration Nationality Act for an alien to vote in the United States.

00:05:45.000 So legally, they can vote.

00:05:47.000 Now, is it possible that they could vote?

00:05:50.000 Have individuals who were aliens registered to vote in the past?

00:05:54.000 Yes.

00:05:55.000 In fact, the Heritage Foundation actually referenced an action that was taken by the state of Virginia beginning in 2014, in which they struck 11,000 what they described as non-citizens off of the voter polls.

00:06:10.000 That's between 2014 and the present time.

00:06:14.000 So, you know, we know that aliens have registered to vote.

00:06:18.000 In fact, when I was an immigration judge, I had a handful of cases, not many, but a handful, involving individuals who were deportable based on the specific provision that I referenced before under Section 237 of the INA.

00:06:31.000 So, yeah, this is something that's happened.

00:06:33.000 In fact, you mentioned some hearings that I had when I was working for Chairman Ron DeSantis of the National Security Subcommittee.

00:06:43.000 And one of them in particular was interesting.

00:06:45.000 We had Chris Kobach, who was then the Secretary of State of Kansas.

00:06:49.000 He's now the Attorney General, who gave us specific instances in which it appeared that aliens who did vote in Kansas had influenced some local elections.

00:06:59.000 So, yeah, I mean, this is not a purely theoretical issue.

00:07:02.000 It's interesting, Andrew, because if you listen to people on the left discuss it, you know, they'll say this isn't a big deal.

00:07:09.000 It's not an issue.

00:07:10.000 It never happens.

00:07:12.000 But because states don't do the hygiene that they should in verifying employment eligibility, we don't really know how big a problem this is.

00:07:23.000 It's sort of like the canard that you'll hear, you know, illegal aliens never commit crimes except for the ones that we know about.

00:07:29.000 That's because most states don't actually check on alienate status when it relates to whether somebody has committed a crime or not.

00:07:36.000 So yeah, I mean, you know, is this an issue?

00:07:40.000 It's plainly an issue.

00:07:41.000 You know, when you talk about the last election, which was decided by, I think it was 42,000 votes in a handful of states.

00:07:49.000 So yeah, you know, it's definitely something that, you know, Congress should be concerned about.

00:07:54.000 In fact, they're so concerned about it, they made it a crime.

00:07:57.000 So it's only logical, given the massive number of people that we've seen released into the United States, you know, 2 million gotaways on top of that, that we should be concerned about this issue, you know, especially if it's a very tight election.

00:08:11.000 All right.

00:08:11.000 So I want to take your attention to a tweet that Senator Mike Lee, who's a friend of the show, put out.

00:08:17.000 He said, Congressional Democrats insist that the SAVE Act, which requires proof of citizenship to establish eligibility to vote in federal elections, is unnecessary because federal law already prohibits non-citizens from voting in federal elections.

00:08:32.000 Those making this argument ignore a glaring problem.

00:08:36.000 And this is the key.

00:08:38.000 The government officials who register voters and conduct federal elections are not allowed to require proof of citizenship.

00:08:47.000 Therefore, it is shockingly easy for non-citizens to vote in federal elections.

00:08:52.000 Anyone, even an illegal alien or non-citizen, can register to vote in federal elections just by checking a box and signing a form.

00:08:59.000 This is all on the honor system.

00:09:02.000 Is this true?

00:09:03.000 Yeah, actually, it is true.

00:09:05.000 There are currently a handful of states, again, that require proof of citizenship before you're allowed to vote.

00:09:12.000 But thanks to the Motor Voter Act, which was passed back in the 80s, when you go to get a driver's license, you're given the opportunity to check a box that asks whether you want to be registered to vote or not.

00:09:25.000 And a lot of people, including aliens, inadvertently check that box.

00:09:29.000 They don't, you know, some of them don't know that they're eligible to vote or they're not eligible to vote.

00:09:35.000 And on top of that, Andrew, we have Executive Order 14019 protecting access to voting or promoting access to voting that President Biden issued back in March of 2021 that makes it an all-hands effort in the executive branch to register people to vote.

00:09:54.000 Now, that includes agencies that grant public benefits, not surprisingly.

00:09:59.000 And that's actually created some real problems.

00:10:02.000 In fact, an official from the Department of Health and Human Services in the state of North Carolina complained to Attorney General Merrick Garland that they were forced to send voter registration materials to people who were receiving means tested public benefits, welfare benefits, basically for them to sign up to vote.

00:10:26.000 And, you know, he complained about the confusion that this was creating.

00:10:30.000 But yeah, I mean, this is a real issue when you have an executive branch that is focused on getting as many people to register as possible, which is a laudable goal.

00:10:40.000 But when you start using every federal agency imaginable to get involved in that effort, you're going to have people who inadvertently register to vote, who aren't allowed to, and people who actually do register to vote.

00:10:54.000 In fact, the Mississippi Attorney General complained that due to an offshoot of this that is trying to register people who were in prison to vote that aliens who were in prison may be promoted to vote too.

00:11:11.000 So it's so bizarre, Andrew, it's almost ridiculous.

00:11:15.000 There's no reason in this country that you shouldn't be forced to prove your citizenship.

00:11:21.000 Everybody's got a birth certificate if they were born here.

00:11:24.000 Everybody's got a naturalization certificate if they were naturalized here.

00:11:28.000 And about 40 million Americans have passports.

00:11:32.000 Each one of those documents shows that you're a United States citizen and requesting that essential document isn't too much to ask.

00:11:41.000 But even if it is, there is a system called the SAVE system that DHS runs that can verify employment eligibility and can verify who's an alien and who's a citizen.

00:11:54.000 So yeah, I mean, you know, this isn't an insurmountable effort.

00:11:58.000 All it requires is will.

00:11:59.000 And right now, there's no will from the executive branch to actually put safeguards into place to ensure our precious right to vote.

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00:13:13.000 Andrew, we've got some really crazy numbers to go over here.

00:13:18.000 This new study from Center for Immigration Studies puts it at, we have a foreign-born population of 51.6 million people.

00:13:31.000 Put that into perspective for us.

00:13:34.000 How big is that historically?

00:13:36.000 How much of it has happened under Joe Biden?

00:13:38.000 That's a great question.

00:13:40.000 About 15.6% of the U.S. population currently is foreign-born.

00:13:46.000 And to put that into context, we think of the great wave of migration of the 1880s and 1890s.

00:13:53.000 In 1890, which was the peak in the foreign-born population prior to the time that Joe Biden took office, 14.8% of the U.S. population was foreign-born.

00:14:04.000 So we're talking about almost a full percentage point larger today than back in the 1890s.

00:14:12.000 If you ever seen Godfather 2, that's how that starts.

00:14:15.000 And it talks about this huge wave of population.

00:14:18.000 And yet most Americans don't realize we're actually living through an experiment right now in United States history.

00:14:25.000 About 5.1 million aliens have entered the United States since Joe Biden took office.

00:14:31.000 That's an incomparable number.

00:14:33.000 5.1 million people.

00:14:36.000 I mean, this is a huge number.

00:14:38.000 We know from a congressional resolution that was passed back in February that 3.3 million aliens at that time had been released into the United States under the Biden administration.

00:14:51.000 You can add about 200 to 300,000 to that and get to about 3.5 million.

00:14:57.000 And Andrew, that doesn't even count 2 million known gotaways.

00:15:00.000 Those are aliens who came over the Southwest border, entered the United States illegally, evaded border patrol, and made their way into the interior of the United States.

00:15:10.000 So again, you know, as I said before, this is, we're basically running a test of the capacity of the United States to assimilate, let alone deal with, a massive number of brand new people in the country.

00:15:24.000 And, you know, this is, it's incomparable.

00:15:26.000 We've never seen numbers like this before.

00:15:29.000 Of course.

00:15:30.000 Two questions, though, on this.

00:15:33.000 This does impact the census, correct?

00:15:35.000 So this will congressional appropriate Putting congressional seats together, also federal grants, by the way.

00:15:45.000 So, so I want to go over that.

00:15:47.000 And then, two, you know, how come these numbers, we're hearing different numbers, 10 to 12 million over Biden's full term.

00:15:54.000 You guys have it lower.

00:15:56.000 Are you guys just being conservative?

00:15:58.000 You're trying to adjust the numbers you can prove, or what do you think that it could be as high as 10 to 12?

00:16:03.000 We just don't know.

00:16:04.000 Yeah, so the numbers that the center put out were compiled by my colleagues, Steve Camerada and Karen Ziglar, and they based it on the Census Bureau's American Community Survey, which really is the gold standard of numbers.

00:16:17.000 Now, it's important to keep in mind also, Andrew, that in addition to people coming in, some people go out.

00:16:24.000 But, you know, I could pretty safely pin the number of people who have entered the United States illegally, either those who have been stopped and released or those who evaded gotaways, as we refer to them.

00:16:38.000 And I could put that pretty safely at about 5.5 million people.

00:16:42.000 And again, the reason that the numbers increased by 5.1 million if we've had 5.5 million people here illegally come in is because some people, as I mentioned before, they leave.

00:16:56.000 They'll be green card holders.

00:16:57.000 They'll go back home.

00:17:00.000 They'll be citizens.

00:17:01.000 They'll go back to where there's a lower cost of living.

00:17:04.000 So yeah, I mean, it's important also, Andrew, to not make the numbers larger than we can actually quantify, because at some point, the numbers become so big, there's nothing that the U.S. government can do to respond to the problem.

00:17:19.000 The only thing that we could do is to have a brand new amnesty, legalize everybody and swear just like we did back in 1986.

00:17:26.000 We're never doing this again, which of course we did.

00:17:29.000 So yeah, I mean, I feel very secure in giving you the statistics.

00:17:34.000 Steve and Karen, their numbers are, you know, pure and you can trust what they have to say.

00:17:41.000 All right.

00:17:41.000 So to sum it all up, we have a record number of foreign-born people living in this country, thanks to Joe Biden.

00:17:49.000 We have a record number of gotaways, and we have this pesky little loophole in our voting system where officials who handle our federal elections and register voters are not able to verify citizenship.

00:18:03.000 And by the way, they are actively fighting the SAVE Act, which would close that loophole.

00:18:09.000 Do I sum it up about right?

00:18:11.000 That's exactly right.

00:18:12.000 And you talked about congressional apportionment again.

00:18:14.000 It's going to be California and New York that benefit.

00:18:17.000 So come the next census, when they get more congressional seats, you'll know where they came from.

00:18:22.000 So they do get a vote, even if they're not voting.

00:18:24.000 That's basically what that means.

00:18:25.000 Andrew, a pleasure.

00:18:27.000 I wish it was under better circumstances, but thank you for all that information.

00:18:31.000 Thank you so much for having me, Andrew.

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00:19:39.000 I'm going to introduce three special guests to you right now.

00:19:44.000 That is state rep Dawn Kiefer.

00:19:46.000 She's the lead legislative plaintiff in this case we're about to discuss.

00:19:50.000 Karen DeSalvo, she's the lead counsel.

00:19:52.000 And Heather Honey, she's the executive director for the Election Research Institute.

00:19:58.000 To my panel of distinguished guests, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:20:02.000 Thank you.

00:20:03.000 Thanks for having us.

00:20:04.000 Yes, absolutely honored to have you.

00:20:06.000 What you ladies are working on right now is so incredibly important.

00:20:11.000 It's ironic.

00:20:12.000 The guest we had before, we were talking about illegal immigration, how that can affect certain things.

00:20:12.000 We didn't plan it.

00:20:18.000 And he brought up Executive Order 14019 and how the entire federal government is being mobilized, 600 federal agencies to get out the vote.

00:20:29.000 They're meddling in state level elections.

00:20:32.000 And that's why this case is so important.

00:20:35.000 You guys are bringing a suit, and it's a little wonky for the audience at home, but we're trying to get this thing in front of the Supreme Court before it's too late.

00:20:47.000 So I don't know who should take the first go here, but explain for our audience what this case entails.

00:20:58.000 And maybe since it's Kiefer, maybe you go first and we'll start there.

00:21:02.000 Okay, so I'm not going to get into the legal details.

00:21:05.000 I'm not an attorney, but what we're dealing with here is executive overreach.

00:21:10.000 And we're dealing with it in both the state and at the federal level.

00:21:13.000 So in the federal level, you had Biden issue an executive order, essentially charging all of his federal agencies to become get out the vote agencies.

00:21:24.000 And specifically, they're dealing with programs that deal with a Demograph or Democrat constituency, essentially.

00:21:31.000 And what's even more egregious on that, which violates the Constitution, is that you have the president actually on the ballot this year.

00:21:41.000 So that's another component to it.

00:21:44.000 So this lawsuit right now, what we're trying to do is just get standing.

00:21:48.000 So it's not even on the merits of the case.

00:21:50.000 They're saying we don't have standing to try this case.

00:21:54.000 So right now we're fighting for the standing, saying I, as a legislator, have standing in court to bring this suit to say that my constitutional rights to determine the time, place, and manner of the election have been violated and have been usurped by the executive branch.

00:22:12.000 And if I don't have the power or the standing for this lawsuit, who does?

00:22:17.000 Yeah, so Bench, basically, the Constitution leaves it up to the states to run their elections according to the state legislatures, right?

00:22:26.000 So you guys obviously should be the authority on how to run your state's election.

00:22:32.000 In this case, Pennsylvania.

00:22:33.000 They're saying you don't have standing.

00:22:35.000 You're appealing that, correct?

00:22:38.000 So, and that's essentially what we're arguing about right now, correct?

00:22:44.000 Right.

00:22:44.000 Summing it up.

00:22:45.000 We are not even, exactly.

00:22:45.000 Right.

00:22:47.000 We're not even getting into the merits of the case right now.

00:22:49.000 It's just about the standing issue.

00:22:51.000 Yeah.

00:22:52.000 Well, it seems fairly obvious on its face.

00:22:55.000 We'll see if they, but you guys have a great team assembled, which is one of the reasons why I'm so glad to have you guys here.

00:23:01.000 So when we talk about this executive order, it was signed sort of under this veil of secrecy in March of 2021.

00:23:10.000 So he gets inaugurated, becomes president of the United States, occupant of the Oval, as I like to say.

00:23:17.000 And then this, not much fanfare, not much details as to how this EO would be rolled out or what the effect could be.

00:23:27.000 So, and again, to the two other ladies, what is the impact?

00:23:31.000 And are we seeing this executive order play out in real life?

00:23:35.000 Well, the impact of this is, if we think about the impact that Zuckerbux had in 2020 in terms of allocating resources and in that case, giving private funding from Mark Zuckerberg to the counties of their choice,

00:23:53.000 what we have here is the whole of the federal government being directed to create an action plan that will essentially partner with these third-party nonprofit organizations to do voter registration drive and get out the vote.

00:24:11.000 I mean, that's what this is.

00:24:13.000 So it's a weaponization really of the full force of the federal government to drive up Democrat turnout, right?

00:24:22.000 I mean, that's the demographic that they're targeting across the board.

00:24:26.000 And so we think that this is a crisis, right?

00:24:30.000 I mean, when we think about the Zuckerberg impact in 2020, people didn't really know too much about that until after the fact, right?

00:24:39.000 So here we know what they're doing.

00:24:41.000 This plan was devised by Demos before Biden was ever inaugurated.

00:24:46.000 It was posted on their website.

00:24:48.000 And, you know, so the Biden administration just adopted it, you know, the whole thing and actually brought in folks from Demos to implement it to their liking.

00:25:00.000 So Heather, explain that organization to our audience.

00:25:03.000 Just go ahead.

00:25:05.000 So, I mean, Deimos is a progressive organization.

00:25:08.000 They call themselves, I think, a think tank.

00:25:11.000 But essentially, they scripted out what the Biden administration should do in order to increase voter registration and how they could use the, you know, the federal government as a tool to make that happen.

00:25:29.000 But of course, you know, the NBRA allowed, it was a law, a federal law passed by Congress, which told the states, hey, if you want any federal agencies to be voter registration agencies in your state, you may designate them as such.

00:25:44.000 And so, you know, it's the state's authority to decide which federal agencies they want to do voter registrations and which ones they don't.

00:25:52.000 And in Pennsylvania, aside from the military recruitment offices, that's it.

00:25:58.000 So all of the other agencies that are implementing these plans and, you know, one of the alarming things that I think we'll probably touch on in a bit is the lack of transparency.

00:26:09.000 I mean, they are just absolutely refusing to turn over information about what these plans entail.

00:26:16.000 And the one lawsuit that was based on a Freedom of Information Act request from FGA sought to get the action plan, the Biden executive order plan for the DOJ.

00:26:30.000 And the DOJ refused to turn it over after stonewalling for months.

00:26:34.000 And then finally, they won in court and a federal judge told the DOJ that they had to turn it over.

00:26:42.000 And then they refused anyway, citing presidential records or deliberations or something.

00:26:48.000 So they ultimately did not turn it over.

00:26:51.000 Just absolute secrecy that only makes it worse.

00:26:57.000 Yeah, well, the DOJ not cooperating is nothing new, sadly.

00:27:03.000 I think the House Judiciary and House Oversight are battling over the Robert Herr transcripts as we speak.

00:27:08.000 Same issue.

00:27:09.000 So Karen, I want to throw this over to you.

00:27:12.000 You're the lead counsel on this case.

00:27:14.000 I mean, again, without getting to the point where our eyes are going to glaze over with legalese, because it is a nuanced case.

00:27:21.000 I understand that for a lot of our people, but our audience is smart.

00:27:24.000 Break it down for us.

00:27:26.000 Why does Rep Kiefer have standing?

00:27:30.000 Why does the state legislature in Pennsylvania have standing?

00:27:33.000 Then.

00:27:33.000 So what are the next steps in this process?

00:27:36.000 Okay, so standing is one of those issues that we've heard discussed a lot in the aftermath of the 2020 elections, so we know that there were dozens of election related lawsuits that were brought following the 2020 election, and the majority of those cases were dismissed based on standing, and so what that meant was the court never proceeded to the merits of the case.

00:28:00.000 They didn't hear the evidence in the case.

00:28:03.000 They were dismissed prior to receiving the evidence on the basis of standing.

00:28:07.000 So what is standing?

00:28:09.000 It's what enables parties to bring their claims before the court, and so, in essence, in order to have standing, you have to have a dog in the fight or a stake in the game.

00:28:19.000 It has to be some sort of legally cognizable injury that you bring before the court, and in this case, the the district court believed that the individual legislators did not have standing.

00:28:34.000 We have 27 Pennsylvania lawmakers, one senator and 26 house members who brought this case.

00:28:41.000 The Middle District Court said that we did not have individual.

00:28:46.000 We did not have individual legislators standing because this was an institutional injury.

00:28:52.000 So if there was an injury, then the case should have been brought by the institution, but we think that the middle, that the district court, that the judge in the Middle District, got this wrong for several reasons, and the first is it's not an institutional injury, because not all members of the institution have been affected in the same way.

00:29:10.000 So this executive order that we're discussing in the aftermath of the 2020 election, we had a real problem with Zuckerbucks in Pennsylvania, and so our legislators passed a law, and the law that was passed said a couple of things.

00:29:25.000 The first thing, it said we're going to only allow funds that are properly appropriated by the government to be used for these sorts of voter registration activities, and it also said we're not going to permit outside third-party organizations to be involved in our elections.

00:29:44.000 So the lawmakers that voted for this law that was successfully passed in Pennsylvania, they're not happy about the executive order, because what they voted for has now been nullified by executive order.

00:29:56.000 But the members of the legislative body who who were not in favor, who voted against that law, they're happy.

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00:31:10.000 So, Karen, I want to finish this point that you were making, essentially, that we do have standing.

00:31:16.000 This is a federal overreach of state level elections.

00:31:20.000 And then I think we've kind of got the essence of that communicated.

00:31:25.000 But what are the next steps here?

00:31:27.000 So, this is in front of a circuit court.

00:31:30.000 Is that right?

00:31:30.000 No, we actually are, we filed a petition for a writ of certiary before judgment with the United States Supreme Court, which is an extraordinary, extraordinary thing that we are asking for.

00:31:44.000 And so, I think that lots of people don't know that the United States Supreme Court is a court with discretionary review.

00:31:51.000 So, that means they don't have to take all cases that are appealed to them.

00:31:54.000 And in fact, thousands of cases are appealed to the United States Supreme Court every year.

00:31:59.000 And on average, they take about 80 to 100 cases per year.

00:32:03.000 So, it's extraordinary for that reason, but it's also extraordinary because we have filed for certiary before judgment, which means we're taking it out of the usual trajectory for appellate cases.

00:32:15.000 So, we filed our case in federal court in the district court, in the middle district court of Pennsylvania.

00:32:20.000 And usually, when you're not happy with a decision from the district court, you file an appeal to the circuit court.

00:32:26.000 So, the courts of appeals.

00:32:28.000 Pennsylvania is located in the third circuit.

00:32:30.000 We have filed a notice of appeal with the third circuit, but we also simultaneously filed this petition for review before judgment with the United States Supreme Court.

00:32:41.000 And we also filed a motion to expedite review.

00:32:45.000 And so, what we're asking for is absolutely extraordinary for all of those reasons, that we're taking it out of the normal appellate track and we're asking the court to review it immediately.

00:32:55.000 But there are two reasons for that.

00:32:56.000 The first is time is of the essence.

00:32:59.000 So, we're 174, I think, days away from the election in November of 2024.

00:33:06.000 We absolutely need this case to be heard before the November 2024 election.

00:33:10.000 And because the issues in this case are so important, not just for Pennsylvania, but for the entire country, that's why we need this case to be taken by the United States Supreme Court.

00:33:21.000 And then, we do have, we filed our notice of appeal in the Third Circuit.

00:33:25.000 And if they deny certiary in the United States Supreme Court, we will continue with the normal appellate track in the Third Circuit.

00:33:32.000 Well said, Karen. 0.99

00:33:34.000 And I'm going to throw this back to Heather here.

00:33:38.000 So, you guys at the Election Research Institute have been doing phenomenal work on this.

00:33:43.000 You're working with obviously state rep Don Kiefer here, who's with us, very courageous state rep. What other actions are you guys taking?

00:33:54.000 I mean, can other states get involved?

00:33:57.000 Can they file amicus briefs?

00:33:58.000 What are you guys working on behind the scenes to fast track this?

00:34:02.000 So, absolutely, the answer is yes.

00:34:04.000 We need, this is an all-hands-on-deck kind of moment.

00:34:07.000 You know, right now, so the Secretary of State in West Virginia, who I believe was on the show not too long ago, he has taken some very bold action and he has said that his state will not accept federal voter registration forms from agencies that have not been authorized.

00:34:24.000 In addition to that, he is leading the charge with an anarchist brief in our case.

00:34:29.000 So, he, through his office, has prepared one.

00:34:33.000 And I think that last I heard that about 12 other secretaries of state have expressed interest in signing on to that.

00:34:41.000 So, that is incredibly helpful.

00:34:43.000 In addition to that, we have a group of congressmen, Dan Muser, Congressman Dan Muser out of Pennsylvania, is spearheading an amicus brief on behalf of several congressmen.

00:34:56.000 So please, if you are listening, contact your congressmen, ask them to sign on to this amicus.

00:35:04.000 We need some way, as Karen said, this is an extraordinary thing we're asking the Supreme Court to do.

00:35:09.000 So we need them to see just how incredibly damaging this EO is to our election system.

00:35:17.000 I mean, there's no doubt there's a crisis in confidence.

00:35:20.000 This is only making it worse.

00:35:22.000 We need to put an end to this.

00:35:24.000 And so, you know, so that's for sure number one.

00:35:28.000 You know, if you can do an amicus, please do.

00:35:31.000 If you are not in a position to do an amicus yourself, I mean, private organizations can file amicus QRI briefs.

00:35:39.000 So, but, you know, contact your representatives, your congressmen, ask them to get on board.

00:35:44.000 And then the other thing, too, you know, we are the only, this is the only case currently in the court system challenging this, you know, the EO.

00:35:54.000 Again, we're challenging executive overreach at many levels of government, but this is the only case.

00:36:00.000 There need to be other cases filed because we might not be successful.

00:36:04.000 Yeah, so Heather, let me sum this up for us.

00:36:07.000 File an amicus brief, get on board with what you guys are doing.

00:36:10.000 File a lawsuit if you're another org, and then call your elected officials.

00:36:15.000 Tell them to get behind this.

00:36:16.000 Ladies, thank you so much for doing this.

00:36:18.000 You've brought light to an incredibly important EO that could change the trajectory of our country and not for the better.

00:36:25.000 So thank you.

00:36:26.000 I hope more people get on board with this.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 14, 2024

How Many Illegals Does America Have? And How Many Vote?

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