00:00:15.000We welcome Andrew Arthur, a fellow from the Center for Immigration Studies and a former immigration judge, to break down how many illegals we have, what's the foreign-born population, and can they vote?
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00:00:32.000Then we're joined by the ladies who are behind an important and critical lawsuit challenging Biden's unconstitutional executive order 14019 that turns 600 federal agencies into get out the vote arms for the Biden regime.
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00:03:35.000But I'm going to talk about immigration because we have some pretty nuanced, not even that nuanced, pretty aggressive opinions about immigration on this show.
00:03:44.000And I'm going to welcome now Andrew Arthur, who's a fellow in law and policy at the Center for Immigration Studies.
00:05:19.000In fact, for any alien, legal or illegal, green card holder or otherwise, they're not allowed to vote under 18 United States Code 611, which makes it a misdemeanor for any individual who's not a United States citizen to vote.
00:05:33.000It's also important to note, Andrew, that it's a ground of deportability under Section 237A6 of the INA of the Immigration Nationality Act for an alien to vote in the United States.
00:05:55.000In fact, the Heritage Foundation actually referenced an action that was taken by the state of Virginia beginning in 2014, in which they struck 11,000 what they described as non-citizens off of the voter polls.
00:06:10.000That's between 2014 and the present time.
00:06:14.000So, you know, we know that aliens have registered to vote.
00:06:18.000In fact, when I was an immigration judge, I had a handful of cases, not many, but a handful, involving individuals who were deportable based on the specific provision that I referenced before under Section 237 of the INA.
00:06:31.000So, yeah, this is something that's happened.
00:06:33.000In fact, you mentioned some hearings that I had when I was working for Chairman Ron DeSantis of the National Security Subcommittee.
00:06:43.000And one of them in particular was interesting.
00:06:45.000We had Chris Kobach, who was then the Secretary of State of Kansas.
00:06:49.000He's now the Attorney General, who gave us specific instances in which it appeared that aliens who did vote in Kansas had influenced some local elections.
00:06:59.000So, yeah, I mean, this is not a purely theoretical issue.
00:07:02.000It's interesting, Andrew, because if you listen to people on the left discuss it, you know, they'll say this isn't a big deal.
00:07:12.000But because states don't do the hygiene that they should in verifying employment eligibility, we don't really know how big a problem this is.
00:07:23.000It's sort of like the canard that you'll hear, you know, illegal aliens never commit crimes except for the ones that we know about.
00:07:29.000That's because most states don't actually check on alienate status when it relates to whether somebody has committed a crime or not.
00:07:36.000So yeah, I mean, you know, is this an issue?
00:07:41.000You know, when you talk about the last election, which was decided by, I think it was 42,000 votes in a handful of states.
00:07:49.000So yeah, you know, it's definitely something that, you know, Congress should be concerned about.
00:07:54.000In fact, they're so concerned about it, they made it a crime.
00:07:57.000So it's only logical, given the massive number of people that we've seen released into the United States, you know, 2 million gotaways on top of that, that we should be concerned about this issue, you know, especially if it's a very tight election.
00:08:11.000So I want to take your attention to a tweet that Senator Mike Lee, who's a friend of the show, put out.
00:08:17.000He said, Congressional Democrats insist that the SAVE Act, which requires proof of citizenship to establish eligibility to vote in federal elections, is unnecessary because federal law already prohibits non-citizens from voting in federal elections.
00:08:32.000Those making this argument ignore a glaring problem.
00:09:05.000There are currently a handful of states, again, that require proof of citizenship before you're allowed to vote.
00:09:12.000But thanks to the Motor Voter Act, which was passed back in the 80s, when you go to get a driver's license, you're given the opportunity to check a box that asks whether you want to be registered to vote or not.
00:09:25.000And a lot of people, including aliens, inadvertently check that box.
00:09:29.000They don't, you know, some of them don't know that they're eligible to vote or they're not eligible to vote.
00:09:35.000And on top of that, Andrew, we have Executive Order 14019 protecting access to voting or promoting access to voting that President Biden issued back in March of 2021 that makes it an all-hands effort in the executive branch to register people to vote.
00:09:54.000Now, that includes agencies that grant public benefits, not surprisingly.
00:09:59.000And that's actually created some real problems.
00:10:02.000In fact, an official from the Department of Health and Human Services in the state of North Carolina complained to Attorney General Merrick Garland that they were forced to send voter registration materials to people who were receiving means tested public benefits, welfare benefits, basically for them to sign up to vote.
00:10:26.000And, you know, he complained about the confusion that this was creating.
00:10:30.000But yeah, I mean, this is a real issue when you have an executive branch that is focused on getting as many people to register as possible, which is a laudable goal.
00:10:40.000But when you start using every federal agency imaginable to get involved in that effort, you're going to have people who inadvertently register to vote, who aren't allowed to, and people who actually do register to vote.
00:10:54.000In fact, the Mississippi Attorney General complained that due to an offshoot of this that is trying to register people who were in prison to vote that aliens who were in prison may be promoted to vote too.
00:11:11.000So it's so bizarre, Andrew, it's almost ridiculous.
00:11:15.000There's no reason in this country that you shouldn't be forced to prove your citizenship.
00:11:21.000Everybody's got a birth certificate if they were born here.
00:11:24.000Everybody's got a naturalization certificate if they were naturalized here.
00:11:28.000And about 40 million Americans have passports.
00:11:32.000Each one of those documents shows that you're a United States citizen and requesting that essential document isn't too much to ask.
00:11:41.000But even if it is, there is a system called the SAVE system that DHS runs that can verify employment eligibility and can verify who's an alien and who's a citizen.
00:11:54.000So yeah, I mean, you know, this isn't an insurmountable effort.
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00:13:40.000About 15.6% of the U.S. population currently is foreign-born.
00:13:46.000And to put that into context, we think of the great wave of migration of the 1880s and 1890s.
00:13:53.000In 1890, which was the peak in the foreign-born population prior to the time that Joe Biden took office, 14.8% of the U.S. population was foreign-born.
00:14:04.000So we're talking about almost a full percentage point larger today than back in the 1890s.
00:14:12.000If you ever seen Godfather 2, that's how that starts.
00:14:15.000And it talks about this huge wave of population.
00:14:18.000And yet most Americans don't realize we're actually living through an experiment right now in United States history.
00:14:25.000About 5.1 million aliens have entered the United States since Joe Biden took office.
00:14:38.000We know from a congressional resolution that was passed back in February that 3.3 million aliens at that time had been released into the United States under the Biden administration.
00:14:51.000You can add about 200 to 300,000 to that and get to about 3.5 million.
00:14:57.000And Andrew, that doesn't even count 2 million known gotaways.
00:15:00.000Those are aliens who came over the Southwest border, entered the United States illegally, evaded border patrol, and made their way into the interior of the United States.
00:15:10.000So again, you know, as I said before, this is, we're basically running a test of the capacity of the United States to assimilate, let alone deal with, a massive number of brand new people in the country.
00:15:24.000And, you know, this is, it's incomparable.
00:15:26.000We've never seen numbers like this before.
00:16:04.000Yeah, so the numbers that the center put out were compiled by my colleagues, Steve Camerada and Karen Ziglar, and they based it on the Census Bureau's American Community Survey, which really is the gold standard of numbers.
00:16:17.000Now, it's important to keep in mind also, Andrew, that in addition to people coming in, some people go out.
00:16:24.000But, you know, I could pretty safely pin the number of people who have entered the United States illegally, either those who have been stopped and released or those who evaded gotaways, as we refer to them.
00:16:38.000And I could put that pretty safely at about 5.5 million people.
00:16:42.000And again, the reason that the numbers increased by 5.1 million if we've had 5.5 million people here illegally come in is because some people, as I mentioned before, they leave.
00:17:01.000They'll go back to where there's a lower cost of living.
00:17:04.000So yeah, I mean, it's important also, Andrew, to not make the numbers larger than we can actually quantify, because at some point, the numbers become so big, there's nothing that the U.S. government can do to respond to the problem.
00:17:19.000The only thing that we could do is to have a brand new amnesty, legalize everybody and swear just like we did back in 1986.
00:17:26.000We're never doing this again, which of course we did.
00:17:29.000So yeah, I mean, I feel very secure in giving you the statistics.
00:17:34.000Steve and Karen, their numbers are, you know, pure and you can trust what they have to say.
00:17:41.000So to sum it all up, we have a record number of foreign-born people living in this country, thanks to Joe Biden.
00:17:49.000We have a record number of gotaways, and we have this pesky little loophole in our voting system where officials who handle our federal elections and register voters are not able to verify citizenship.
00:18:03.000And by the way, they are actively fighting the SAVE Act, which would close that loophole.
00:20:18.000And he brought up Executive Order 14019 and how the entire federal government is being mobilized, 600 federal agencies to get out the vote.
00:20:29.000They're meddling in state level elections.
00:20:32.000And that's why this case is so important.
00:20:35.000You guys are bringing a suit, and it's a little wonky for the audience at home, but we're trying to get this thing in front of the Supreme Court before it's too late.
00:20:47.000So I don't know who should take the first go here, but explain for our audience what this case entails.
00:20:58.000And maybe since it's Kiefer, maybe you go first and we'll start there.
00:21:02.000Okay, so I'm not going to get into the legal details.
00:21:05.000I'm not an attorney, but what we're dealing with here is executive overreach.
00:21:10.000And we're dealing with it in both the state and at the federal level.
00:21:13.000So in the federal level, you had Biden issue an executive order, essentially charging all of his federal agencies to become get out the vote agencies.
00:21:24.000And specifically, they're dealing with programs that deal with a Demograph or Democrat constituency, essentially.
00:21:31.000And what's even more egregious on that, which violates the Constitution, is that you have the president actually on the ballot this year.
00:21:44.000So this lawsuit right now, what we're trying to do is just get standing.
00:21:48.000So it's not even on the merits of the case.
00:21:50.000They're saying we don't have standing to try this case.
00:21:54.000So right now we're fighting for the standing, saying I, as a legislator, have standing in court to bring this suit to say that my constitutional rights to determine the time, place, and manner of the election have been violated and have been usurped by the executive branch.
00:22:12.000And if I don't have the power or the standing for this lawsuit, who does?
00:22:17.000Yeah, so Bench, basically, the Constitution leaves it up to the states to run their elections according to the state legislatures, right?
00:22:26.000So you guys obviously should be the authority on how to run your state's election.
00:22:52.000Well, it seems fairly obvious on its face.
00:22:55.000We'll see if they, but you guys have a great team assembled, which is one of the reasons why I'm so glad to have you guys here.
00:23:01.000So when we talk about this executive order, it was signed sort of under this veil of secrecy in March of 2021.
00:23:10.000So he gets inaugurated, becomes president of the United States, occupant of the Oval, as I like to say.
00:23:17.000And then this, not much fanfare, not much details as to how this EO would be rolled out or what the effect could be.
00:23:27.000So, and again, to the two other ladies, what is the impact?
00:23:31.000And are we seeing this executive order play out in real life?
00:23:35.000Well, the impact of this is, if we think about the impact that Zuckerbux had in 2020 in terms of allocating resources and in that case, giving private funding from Mark Zuckerberg to the counties of their choice,
00:23:53.000what we have here is the whole of the federal government being directed to create an action plan that will essentially partner with these third-party nonprofit organizations to do voter registration drive and get out the vote.
00:24:48.000And, you know, so the Biden administration just adopted it, you know, the whole thing and actually brought in folks from Demos to implement it to their liking.
00:25:00.000So Heather, explain that organization to our audience.
00:25:05.000So, I mean, Deimos is a progressive organization.
00:25:08.000They call themselves, I think, a think tank.
00:25:11.000But essentially, they scripted out what the Biden administration should do in order to increase voter registration and how they could use the, you know, the federal government as a tool to make that happen.
00:25:29.000But of course, you know, the NBRA allowed, it was a law, a federal law passed by Congress, which told the states, hey, if you want any federal agencies to be voter registration agencies in your state, you may designate them as such.
00:25:44.000And so, you know, it's the state's authority to decide which federal agencies they want to do voter registrations and which ones they don't.
00:25:52.000And in Pennsylvania, aside from the military recruitment offices, that's it.
00:25:58.000So all of the other agencies that are implementing these plans and, you know, one of the alarming things that I think we'll probably touch on in a bit is the lack of transparency.
00:26:09.000I mean, they are just absolutely refusing to turn over information about what these plans entail.
00:26:16.000And the one lawsuit that was based on a Freedom of Information Act request from FGA sought to get the action plan, the Biden executive order plan for the DOJ.
00:26:30.000And the DOJ refused to turn it over after stonewalling for months.
00:26:34.000And then finally, they won in court and a federal judge told the DOJ that they had to turn it over.
00:26:42.000And then they refused anyway, citing presidential records or deliberations or something.
00:26:48.000So they ultimately did not turn it over.
00:26:51.000Just absolute secrecy that only makes it worse.
00:26:57.000Yeah, well, the DOJ not cooperating is nothing new, sadly.
00:27:03.000I think the House Judiciary and House Oversight are battling over the Robert Herr transcripts as we speak.
00:27:33.000So what are the next steps in this process?
00:27:36.000Okay, so standing is one of those issues that we've heard discussed a lot in the aftermath of the 2020 elections, so we know that there were dozens of election related lawsuits that were brought following the 2020 election, and the majority of those cases were dismissed based on standing, and so what that meant was the court never proceeded to the merits of the case.
00:28:00.000They didn't hear the evidence in the case.
00:28:03.000They were dismissed prior to receiving the evidence on the basis of standing.
00:28:09.000It's what enables parties to bring their claims before the court, and so, in essence, in order to have standing, you have to have a dog in the fight or a stake in the game.
00:28:19.000It has to be some sort of legally cognizable injury that you bring before the court, and in this case, the the district court believed that the individual legislators did not have standing.
00:28:34.000We have 27 Pennsylvania lawmakers, one senator and 26 house members who brought this case.
00:28:41.000The Middle District Court said that we did not have individual.
00:28:46.000We did not have individual legislators standing because this was an institutional injury.
00:28:52.000So if there was an injury, then the case should have been brought by the institution, but we think that the middle, that the district court, that the judge in the Middle District, got this wrong for several reasons, and the first is it's not an institutional injury, because not all members of the institution have been affected in the same way.
00:29:10.000So this executive order that we're discussing in the aftermath of the 2020 election, we had a real problem with Zuckerbucks in Pennsylvania, and so our legislators passed a law, and the law that was passed said a couple of things.
00:29:25.000The first thing, it said we're going to only allow funds that are properly appropriated by the government to be used for these sorts of voter registration activities, and it also said we're not going to permit outside third-party organizations to be involved in our elections.
00:29:44.000So the lawmakers that voted for this law that was successfully passed in Pennsylvania, they're not happy about the executive order, because what they voted for has now been nullified by executive order.
00:29:56.000But the members of the legislative body who who were not in favor, who voted against that law, they're happy.
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00:30:14.000He was one of the most respected generals in the military.
00:30:17.000Flynn knew what the intel world had been up to.
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00:31:30.000No, we actually are, we filed a petition for a writ of certiary before judgment with the United States Supreme Court, which is an extraordinary, extraordinary thing that we are asking for.
00:31:44.000And so, I think that lots of people don't know that the United States Supreme Court is a court with discretionary review.
00:31:51.000So, that means they don't have to take all cases that are appealed to them.
00:31:54.000And in fact, thousands of cases are appealed to the United States Supreme Court every year.
00:31:59.000And on average, they take about 80 to 100 cases per year.
00:32:03.000So, it's extraordinary for that reason, but it's also extraordinary because we have filed for certiary before judgment, which means we're taking it out of the usual trajectory for appellate cases.
00:32:15.000So, we filed our case in federal court in the district court, in the middle district court of Pennsylvania.
00:32:20.000And usually, when you're not happy with a decision from the district court, you file an appeal to the circuit court.
00:32:28.000Pennsylvania is located in the third circuit.
00:32:30.000We have filed a notice of appeal with the third circuit, but we also simultaneously filed this petition for review before judgment with the United States Supreme Court.
00:32:41.000And we also filed a motion to expedite review.
00:32:45.000And so, what we're asking for is absolutely extraordinary for all of those reasons, that we're taking it out of the normal appellate track and we're asking the court to review it immediately.
00:32:59.000So, we're 174, I think, days away from the election in November of 2024.
00:33:06.000We absolutely need this case to be heard before the November 2024 election.
00:33:10.000And because the issues in this case are so important, not just for Pennsylvania, but for the entire country, that's why we need this case to be taken by the United States Supreme Court.
00:33:21.000And then, we do have, we filed our notice of appeal in the Third Circuit.
00:33:25.000And if they deny certiary in the United States Supreme Court, we will continue with the normal appellate track in the Third Circuit.
00:34:04.000We need, this is an all-hands-on-deck kind of moment.
00:34:07.000You know, right now, so the Secretary of State in West Virginia, who I believe was on the show not too long ago, he has taken some very bold action and he has said that his state will not accept federal voter registration forms from agencies that have not been authorized.
00:34:24.000In addition to that, he is leading the charge with an anarchist brief in our case.
00:34:29.000So, he, through his office, has prepared one.
00:34:33.000And I think that last I heard that about 12 other secretaries of state have expressed interest in signing on to that.
00:34:43.000In addition to that, we have a group of congressmen, Dan Muser, Congressman Dan Muser out of Pennsylvania, is spearheading an amicus brief on behalf of several congressmen.
00:34:56.000So please, if you are listening, contact your congressmen, ask them to sign on to this amicus.
00:35:04.000We need some way, as Karen said, this is an extraordinary thing we're asking the Supreme Court to do.
00:35:09.000So we need them to see just how incredibly damaging this EO is to our election system.
00:35:17.000I mean, there's no doubt there's a crisis in confidence.
00:35:24.000And so, you know, so that's for sure number one.
00:35:28.000You know, if you can do an amicus, please do.
00:35:31.000If you are not in a position to do an amicus yourself, I mean, private organizations can file amicus QRI briefs.
00:35:39.000So, but, you know, contact your representatives, your congressmen, ask them to get on board.
00:35:44.000And then the other thing, too, you know, we are the only, this is the only case currently in the court system challenging this, you know, the EO.
00:35:54.000Again, we're challenging executive overreach at many levels of government, but this is the only case.
00:36:00.000There need to be other cases filed because we might not be successful.
00:36:04.000Yeah, so Heather, let me sum this up for us.
00:36:07.000File an amicus brief, get on board with what you guys are doing.
00:36:10.000File a lawsuit if you're another org, and then call your elected officials.
00:36:26.000I hope more people get on board with this.
00:36:30.000Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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