00:01:10.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:32.000It was a who's who of a typical winter Saturday evening at Mar-a-Lago.
00:02:39.000But I would say some people were there, a couple people, Tucker in particular.
00:02:45.000Tucker was there actually to warn Trump about COVID ahead of the curve, as always, saying, You better take this seriously because this could end up being a massive risk to your presidency.
00:03:59.000That night actually has been written by many journalists and authors and will be by historians for years to come as kind of the last party before the fall.
00:04:10.000I was there coincidentally with some just some supporters and friends and board members celebrating the release of MAGA Doctrine, making the New York Times bestseller list.
00:04:22.000And I remember waking up extremely early the next morning with a sense of anxiety.
00:04:28.000And I was just reading stories on the New York Times and reading stories in the Washington Post and reading stories on CNN, reading stories on Breitbart.
00:04:34.000I said, this COVID thing might actually metastasize and materialize into something big.
00:04:42.000And in the coming days, we all remember where we were when all of a sudden dominoes started to fall, where NBA games started to get canceled.
00:04:52.000I remember we had a turning point USA Southern Regional Conference in Charleston, South Carolina.
00:04:57.000And I saw for the first time a worker with a mask.
00:05:03.000And I remember turning to one of our team members: I said, why is that person wearing a mask?
00:05:59.000People fully trusted Anthony Fauci and the orthodoxy, people that have sent all of a sudden, wow, I totally was misled by them.
00:06:08.000But I'm taking you back in time for a reason because I'm starting to feel the very same sort of spirit of arrogance, the inevitability of victory that I felt on that February Saturday evening that felt like the end of the roaring 20s.
00:07:19.000So is it time to start measuring for curtains and shopping for dumb perion and what ridiculous antique glass you're going to sip the champagne in?
00:07:34.000Over the last couple years, we have seen lie and change, disruption.
00:07:39.000You're trying to tell me the very same cartel of criminals, the very same group of ruling class elites, they're going to phone it into the midterms when their entire agenda is at stake.
00:07:53.000We're just supposed to believe now that victory is inevitable.
00:07:56.000Have we done enough to fix our elections and ban drop boxes?
00:08:07.000What I'm trying to say is we need a wake-up call, everybody, because I'm afraid that some of the apathy and the arrogance, not by many of you, but by the elites, by the decision makers, we're going to win this thing.
00:08:19.000I'm telling you, do not drop our guard.
00:08:22.000I lived through that moment and it can change immediately and suddenly and rapidly.
00:08:28.000You can go to bed one night thinking you're going to win the White House and you could wake up the next morning realizing it's all in total, complete jeopardy.
00:08:38.000Biden's Health and Human Service Secretary, Javier Becera, came out yesterday and said, Well, there's a strong chance we'll see a resurgence of the virus this fall, right before the midterm elections.
00:08:52.000What I will tell you is that come the fall and winter, most everyone who's an expert on pandemics and these viruses will tell you that strong chance that we'll see a resurgence of the virus, whether it's the variants that we have now or new variants, and we got to be ready.
00:09:50.000But the downside of me being wrong is I was too anxious for a couple of months.
00:09:55.000The upside is I might get us into a heightened state of awareness that could actually save our republic because we're not measuring curtains and buying champagne glasses when we should be knocking on doors and trying to win elections.
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00:11:48.000Usually 60% is a red flag for politicians.
00:11:52.000Here's my current hypothesis or my question, if you will, which is: I ask our guests quite often: why aren't Democrats adjusting their strategies and policies instead of driving their Democrat Party off the cliff?
00:12:10.000And I'll be very honest, I have been very let down and dissatisfied with some of the answers from some of our guests, and they've said some other wonderful things, but it's not really making sense to me.
00:12:22.000They say, oh, well, you know, the Democrats are going to Democrat.
00:12:25.000Like, okay, that doesn't really make a lot of sense.
00:12:29.000I want you to first understand, I think you all agree with this, that are really in the grassroots of things in the weeds.
00:12:36.000This question, and what some people would call paranoia, which I fully admit it might be paranoia, it's out of great respect for our opponents, who are typically phenomenal chess players.
00:14:17.000So last time they went to great lengths to hide their corner-cutting and their shenanigans.
00:14:24.000If the Biden regime is being influenced by our enemies, then one good tactic for them would be to cheat and not hide it.
00:14:32.000This way they could potentially ferment violence and conflict, which would serve the interests of our enemies and globalists trying to weaken our country.
00:14:43.000I know a lot of you have to stop yourself short when you start thinking like this and you say, Man, this doesn't, does this add up?
00:15:25.000What is, and this is the way that we as conservatives always need to view things, which again might drive you mad, but I'm never going to be taken off guard again by another one of these asymmetrical interventions.
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00:17:39.000When CNN says that, I still get a little bit nervous that there's something else going on here.
00:17:44.000With us right now to help unpack what is happening, the Chinese Communist Party buying up farmland in North Dakota.
00:17:50.000And also telling what's happening in the U.S. Senate is someone from a phenomenal state, one of my favorite states in the country, North Dakota, Senator Kramer.
00:17:57.000Senator, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:18:52.000Why is the state government of North Dakota allowing this to happen?
00:18:57.000So, well, a couple of things, Charlie.
00:19:00.000First of all, with respect to your last question, that would be a better question for the governor and for the Commerce Department, probably.
00:19:07.000But I would say this about North Dakota, and you've been there a lot, as you say, and you have a lot of fans for sure.
00:19:15.000But, you know, North Dakota is not a place that's hurting financially or economically, as you probably know.
00:19:21.000We have a very good, robust, very modern agricultural community that does very well.
00:19:27.000We do a lot of value-added agriculture.
00:19:29.000We know how to market our products, the commodities, as well as add value to them.
00:19:34.000And we, of course, have a robust energy sector, a robust technology sector, robust bio sector.
00:19:41.000We have a lot more job openings and we have jobs.
00:19:43.000So my question is, are we so desperate as to need a corn milling facility on the very northern edge of corn country near Grand Forks at a time when, frankly, economically, we need more people, not necessarily more investment.
00:20:03.000Now, combine that with the fact that this is an investment coming from China.
00:20:09.000Again, you said that the main principal being a pretty active member of the Communist Chinese Party.
00:20:15.000Now, that raises all kinds of obviously red flags.
00:20:19.000And we ought to be concerned about that.
00:20:21.000My fundamental, though, my foundational concern, Charlie, I don't want to say it's less about the Grand Forks Air Force Base and its vulnerability to spying.
00:20:30.000I mean, that certainly is important, but it's really about our strategy as it relates to China at all.
00:20:36.000And as our friend Robert Lighthizer often says, we should have a strategy that is a strategic decoupling from China, not a closing up to China, not seeking and accepting more of their investment.
00:20:51.000Because say what you want, whether they're going to spy on UAVs that fly in and out of Grand Forks or satellites that are downlinking to the Grand Forks Air Force Base, or whether they're just influencing the community, China has a pretty awful track record.
00:21:09.000And I don't know why we would invite them into our backyard.
00:21:14.000Yeah, I totally agree at the decoupling.
00:21:16.000I suppose where the frustration, though, comes from a lot of voters and people in North Dakota is something that you articulated, which is inviting them in.
00:21:26.000So the governor of North Dakota courted this particular investment.
00:21:29.000It wasn't just like the CCP, you know, randomly selected this as a site.
00:21:34.000Maybe they did, but there was a lot of courting there.
00:21:36.000Do you think that there should be a matter of policy to say that the Chinese Communist Party shouldn't be able to buy farmland in North Dakota?
00:21:43.000Well, first of all, when it comes to farmland, and it's an important distinction in North Dakota, North Dakota is the only state in the country that has a prohibition on corporate farming.
00:21:53.000In other words, Car Guild or ADM cannot own a farm and farm it, nor can a pipeline company or a transmission company.
00:22:03.000If you're going to put a pipeline in North Dakota, you have to make a deal with the local farmer.
00:22:08.000You can't own the land and then farm it if you're a corporation.
00:22:12.000So we have very strict, strict anti-corporate farming laws, something which, by the way, a lot of conservative people have opposed over the years and for decent reasons.
00:22:23.000I mean, an individual farmer's land is his land.
00:22:26.000He should be able to benefit from it however he or she wants.
00:22:30.000So it gets a little bit complicated, right, philosophically.
00:22:34.000With regard, though, to this, it does get murky, right?
00:22:39.000And of course, as you know, there's other issues, you know, people like Bill Gates buying up a lot of farmland, making a farmland investment and through a trust or an individual.
00:22:56.000You know, globalism is on the rise, if you will.
00:23:01.000And some of this, Charlie, is why Donald Trump is so immensely popular in North Dakota, because long before he made America first, not just a bumper sticker, but a real policy, North Dakotans were populists.
00:23:14.000And we're not as bright red as some people think.
00:23:17.000We've never been deep blue, but we've always been rather populist.
00:23:21.000And this sort of attitude comes from that populism.
00:23:24.000So when a country like China that has demonstrated in multiple ways their interest in using predatory financing, whether it's through their Belt and Road initiative in places like third world countries where they've leveraged their generosity for for land, for ports, for airports, for strategic locations.
00:23:50.000That raises this to a whole new concerning level, quite honestly.
00:23:54.000And that's why the corn milling facility near Grand Forks concerns me.
00:24:00.000And I just think we can do a lot better in terms of attracting investment than that one.
00:24:05.000Yeah, I think that you hit on something important, which is motives matter.
00:24:10.000And so when the second or third wealthiest man in the world, Bill Gates, start to go buys North Dakota farmland, he's not doing that to go live a country life, right?
00:24:20.000He owns over 247,000 acres of farmland across.
00:24:35.000But there is kind of this new component where it's like, wait a second, I want to live in a nation that is not a colonial experiment of some sort of out-of-touch tech billionaire combined with what the Chinese Communist Party wants.
00:24:49.000So I am not in favor of sending military aid to Ukraine, nor is a lot of our audience.
00:24:54.000Can you tell us why you believe that's in the best interest of our country?
00:24:58.000And also, you voted for the $40 billion of the last bill, but not the first bill.
00:25:03.000What amount of money is too much to send to Ukraine?
00:25:06.000Because we just did $1.7 billion or more.
00:25:12.000Well, I don't know that the line is a dollar amount, Charlie.
00:25:15.000I think each request or each requirement, each demand, each circumstance requires its own discovery, if you will.
00:25:26.000I don't think we should do a whole bunch necessarily at one time.
00:25:29.000I think that we should do smaller tranches just for the purpose of renegotiating, reassessing not only the situation on the ground, but our NATO allies, what are they doing?
00:25:39.000Are they doing what they need to be doing?
00:25:42.000Is the money being used for the things it's supposed to be used for?
00:25:44.000Are the weapon systems going to the people they're supposed to go to?
00:25:47.000Is it really helping fight back communist intrusion for the cause of freedom?
00:25:53.000But in general, the reason that I support it, and the reason I think Ukraine's the good guy in this fight, quite honestly, is if for no other reason, you know, I do believe that Vladimir Putin is evil.
00:26:05.000I think Vladimir Putin wants to, he harbors the fantasies of restoring the Soviet Union in as much as he can.
00:26:14.000And that the first wave of that was Crimea.
00:26:20.000I don't know that he plans on stopping.
00:26:22.000I don't know why he would stop if he gets parts of Ukraine or all of Ukraine.
00:26:26.000And then it becomes obligatory after that.
00:26:29.000As you know, as a NATO leader, as a NATO country, Article 5 obligates us to defend another NATO country should they be attacked.
00:26:39.000And holding back Russia is the main purpose of NATO.
00:26:43.000So really the price of letting Ukraine fall to Russia, to the United States taxpayer and to the cause of liberty, I think is very, very high.
00:26:54.000The other thing I would say, and this is a little bit maybe on the fringe or into the future, but one thing we are seeing, one benefit we're seeing that we haven't seen in a long time, and that is not just a unified Europe, but a friendlier Europe to the United States.
00:27:09.000When it comes to things like energy policy, food policy, trade policy, whether it's bilateral trade policies or a European U.S. trade policy, they've always sort of snubbed their noses at us.
00:27:20.000They don't want our food because they don't like the way we grow it.
00:27:28.000And I do think there's an opportunity for the good guys, if you will, to form a stronger alliance in all the right ways.
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00:28:23.000Senator, the concern I have, and a lot of people have with that issue in particular, is that we're afraid we're getting into another endless foreign proxy war that does not directly threaten United States interests.
00:28:35.000For example, Putin's already bordering a NATO country in Kalingrad Oblast, million-person military base bordering Poland.
00:28:41.000And it feels as if the urgency and the speed and the rapidity that Congress meets to go send 56 billion to Ukraine while our border remains open.
00:28:51.000I know you want to secure the southern border, so it's not fair to pin that on you.
00:28:55.000But do you understand some of the maybe unease that some of your voters or constituents might have towards this topic that we're getting ourselves in another potentially 20 or 30 year debacle while our country falls apart?
00:29:08.000Certainly I do, Charlie, but I do think Europe is far different than the Middle East.
00:29:13.000First of all, second of all, you're exactly right.
00:29:15.000We need to secure our southern border.
00:29:17.000America should come first, and America's immediate security and its own borders should be the highest priority, and they are for me.
00:29:24.000But there's obviously more bipartisan support on the Ukrainian-Russian front, which is also important to me.
00:29:31.000So all that said, obviously we want to avoid a long-term debacle.
00:29:36.000And this is going to be a longer war than a lot of people thought.
00:29:39.000Not because we want a long war, but because Ukraine has fought Russia back better than anybody thought they were going to, other than the Ukrainians themselves.
00:29:48.000I think they were always confident that they'd be able to wage a decent defense against Russia.
00:29:55.000Ukraine is a fledgling democracy, but they're not a democracy like the United States.
00:29:59.000They are not a representative republic.
00:30:01.000We often hear about the frustrations of the corruption of a Ukrainian government, the oligarchs that have influence over Ukraine.
00:30:11.000But they are experimenting with the same things that built America, you know, a free market, elected officials.
00:30:17.000I think Vladimir Zelensky is a pretty good example that a person that never served in office before can come in and run an election campaign against a sitting president and win.
00:30:28.000Those are values that we cherish and we want to promote.
00:30:34.000And I know you know that this, and anybody wants to look at a map or a globe, I think it's always helpful to see how big Ukraine is, how many resources they have, both in energy and certainly in agriculture and food production.
00:30:47.000It's a significant piece of real estate in the middle of Europe.
00:30:51.000So while Russia maybe borders another NATO country, the idea that they would suddenly border a whole bunch of NATO countries is very unnerving to those other countries and to the United States.
00:31:03.000And I think you can call it a proxy war if you want.
00:31:06.000I think some people do, and I think that's not an inappropriate.
00:31:08.000I think it's an appropriate perhaps term.
00:31:11.000But I just think the prospects of losing Ukraine to Russia could be much, much more costly than winning this war.
00:32:08.000This is a much closer proxy, obviously, and I think a much higher priority than previous long-term skirmishes that we've gotten involved in that turned into very long-term wars and very expensive.
00:32:19.000So, yeah, we disagree on this, Charlie, but it's not an unreasonable disagreement.
00:32:23.000I mean, I certainly respect your position and listen to a lot of people that agree with you.
00:32:27.000And at the end of the day, put it all together with whatever I know in terms of details as well, try to make the best decisions possible.
00:32:35.000Senator Kramer says a lot about you for the willing to have this dialogue.