The Charlie Kirk Show - August 07, 2023


How Normal Americans can Have Extraordinary Impact on Campus with Megyn Kelly


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In this episode, we sit down with Turning Point USA chapter leaders, Megan Kelly and Charlie Kirk, to talk about their experiences as conservative college students and what it's like to be a conservative in the 21st century.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, happy Monday, an exclusive conversation I had with Turning Point USA chapter leaders and the great Megan Kelly.
00:00:06.000 This conversation will blow your mind.
00:00:08.000 I think you'll really enjoy it.
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00:00:23.000 You can get involved with TurningPointUSA at tpusa.com.
00:00:27.000 That is tpusa.com.
00:00:30.000 Start a high school or college chapter today at tpusa.com.
00:00:33.000 Megan Kelly, Turning Point USA chapter members, buckle up. 0.57
00:00:37.000 Here we go.
00:00:38.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:40.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:00:42.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:00:45.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:00:49.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:00:50.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:00:51.000 His spirit, his love of this country.
00:00:52.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:59.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:08.000 That's why we are here.
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00:01:20.000 Okay, welcome everyone.
00:01:22.000 We are joined by Megan Kelly, legendary, to have a conversation with Gen Z campus activists.
00:01:29.000 We're told they don't exist by the media.
00:01:31.000 And what are they seeing and what are they hearing?
00:01:33.000 And Megan, welcome.
00:01:34.000 Thank you.
00:01:34.000 You guys have got to be the bravest people in America right now.
00:01:36.000 Thank you.
00:01:37.000 Talk about being in the belly of the beast.
00:01:39.000 It must have been so delightful when you found out that there was a group available to you with potentially like-minded people, right?
00:01:45.000 Like, how much of a comfort was that?
00:01:47.000 It was a huge, it was a huge comfort and a blessing because I made so many friends like getting involved with them that they're going to be my friends, I know, for even after Turning Point.
00:01:55.000 So when you first get to college, though, is it like, I would imagine it's something like you've got to be careful about disclosing, you know, like, how do you find out, you know, there are other potential conservatives there and you're not alone?
00:02:06.000 I think it's kind of, it's, it's difficult at times because you show up to a college campus and you have, you know, professors who are very outspoken on what they believe and then students who are.
00:02:16.000 And so I think conservative, I guess, minded people that are especially young in our generation is, they don't want to say.
00:02:23.000 And so it's just a matter of living your beliefs enough that people come to you.
00:02:28.000 How did you find, like, were you afraid to tell your roommate, to tell a teacher?
00:02:32.000 Like, did you ever, have you yet had to write a paper in which it was going to be clear you were not a lefty?
00:02:37.000 Yeah.
00:02:38.000 So I'm actually in nursing school at my, at my university.
00:02:41.000 So it's a little tricky navigating, you know, various topics like the facts and all that.
00:02:47.000 So I have found quite a few people that agree with me on a lot of it, which has been really comforting.
00:02:52.000 I'm not totally sure where they align politically because I don't really talk about it, but it's not something I'm hiding, but it's also not something I'm openly bringing up.
00:03:00.000 In nursing school, are you already getting the pressure of like, don't ask somebody what their gender is, you know, all that stuff?
00:03:06.000 Yeah, we get a lot of that.
00:03:08.000 Just being accepting of all and respect the pronouns.
00:03:08.000 Yeah.
00:03:12.000 And we have, it's actually funny when we look at charts, we're like treating some older people and it'll be like an 85-year-old woman and it'll say what their pronouns are.
00:03:20.000 And I'm like, this lady, you never asked this lady.
00:03:23.000 Like, she doesn't even know what you're talking about.
00:03:25.000 So it's, yeah.
00:03:26.000 Do you guys feel like your life would be easier if you were a liberal or a left-winger as far as like acceptability of friends, grades, treatment from peers?
00:03:34.000 Absolutely.
00:03:35.000 I mean, we see on campus all the time when I went in as a freshman, I had one of my suite mates come back who had discussed politics with me before and said, you know, my parents are conservative.
00:03:46.000 I don't know.
00:03:46.000 Do you get the, you know, all your beliefs are bigoted?
00:03:49.000 You're a racist. 0.98
00:03:50.000 You're part of the white supremacy patriarchy, all that? 1.00
00:03:53.000 Absolutely.
00:03:54.000 Does that work on you as like young people?
00:03:56.000 I feel like my age, we're like, okay, fine.
00:03:59.000 I'm all those things.
00:04:00.000 Not when you have a group like this.
00:04:01.000 When you have a group like this, it is so-I don't really like to use the word empowering, but empowering and inspiring and motivational because you have all these people that you know are on your side and will have your back and will stand for you in any situation.
00:04:15.000 So there's nothing really to be scared of.
00:04:17.000 These people would never come for you in any way because they only talk behind a screen, really.
00:04:22.000 I've only had one instance where professors, like kind of weird.
00:04:25.000 So it was my anatomy class, and we spent a whole class period talking about transitioning.
00:04:30.000 And we watched like a Bill Nye the Science guy clip of what transgender is and that gender is a spectrum.
00:04:37.000 And I'm like, we're in an anatomy class and we're talking about gender ideology.
00:04:42.000 And it's like, this is the class where we establish biology and we're still talking about this.
00:04:48.000 Do you feel like you can speak out?
00:04:49.000 Like, you know, I know a lot of students I've spoken to wrestle with: do I just go along to get the A so I can get into the best graduate school or get the best job?
00:05:00.000 Or do I make a thing out of it?
00:05:02.000 Do I challenge and stand up and say, no, it's not.
00:05:05.000 It wasn't a situation where I felt I could raise my hand and be like, what are we doing?
00:05:10.000 But I definitely, at my small table, I was like, guys, what is this?
00:05:14.000 Like, this is Bill Nye, the science guy, telling me that our genitalia and our biology doesn't determine our gender.
00:05:21.000 And they, of course, were like, well, this is all new and fluid.
00:05:25.000 And I'm just like, this is an anatomy class.
00:05:27.000 Like, we're all going to be healthcare professionals and we don't even know we came to establish gender.
00:05:32.000 Do you think amongst many of your classmates that might agree with you, there's a fear that if they speak out, they won't be able to get jobs or advance in their career?
00:05:40.000 I would agree with that.
00:05:42.000 Like, obviously, as you know, growing up, you always wanted, like, your dream is to go work for some, you know, maybe a Fortune 500 company or just, you know, make a lot of money, right?
00:05:51.000 And I think a lot of students see that the only way that they might be able to do that is if they just, you know, be quiet.
00:05:57.000 I can admit that to some extent I was brainwashed by the left to believe that separation of church and state are necessary to maintain life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
00:06:09.000 Do you guys feel as if there's certain things you've caught yourselves like that or others where you realize that you were using language or behaviors that were not your own, but were imposed upon in like a totalitarian, tyrannical way?
00:06:24.000 I mean, I guess sometimes I've had moments where I'm like, I'll be saying, oh, I have to eat their own, like, it doesn't affect me, or just on various things.
00:06:31.000 And then I think, I'm like, no, like that's not good for the better of society.
00:06:36.000 Like, it's not to each their own.
00:06:37.000 Like, we have to look out for each other.
00:06:38.000 And there's, are there truths and there's morals and ethics?
00:06:41.000 And just because it doesn't affect me directly, it will eventually.
00:06:44.000 So it's important that we're firm on all across the board all the time.
00:06:49.000 Do you guys feel like there's secret rules that you don't know about, but when you violate them, you lose everything?
00:06:53.000 Yeah, I think a lot of times, like, you get on social media and you're looking at that, and all of a sudden you see some organization being canceled because they said they said something or they were, or maybe they're getting ridiculed because they used some new term that, like, I feel like there's so many terms now that I don't know what they are.
00:07:09.000 And so when I mess up, it's just like get yelled at kind of fixed.
00:07:13.000 Or even in the trans lane, it's like assigned male at birth. 0.87
00:07:17.000 Like, what?
00:07:18.000 It's all these words.
00:07:19.000 Born male.
00:07:20.000 Right.
00:07:20.000 It's a boy.
00:07:23.000 So, Megan, you've been amazing on the trans issue.
00:07:26.000 I'd love to explore that with everyone.
00:07:28.000 And like, I'd love from your perspective, Megan.
00:07:30.000 You now see college kids that are having debates about what is a man, what is a woman.
00:07:34.000 You think back to your college years, like what you were debating was probably like foreign policy or like, you know, the tax code, right?
00:07:41.000 Yeah.
00:07:41.000 How do you, how do you look at this?
00:07:44.000 You know, being removed from college now looking at current college kids, it's.
00:07:48.000 I'm sad for you guys that you have to spend your four years immersed in this nonsense.
00:07:52.000 I mean, especially that issue. 0.95
00:07:54.000 It is utter nonsense. 0.96
00:07:55.000 It's fake. 0.86
00:07:56.000 It cannot be done.
00:07:58.000 And yet we're devoting all this energy to how it should be done and how early it should be done and how we should all talk about it being done.
00:08:05.000 It's an impossibility.
00:08:06.000 Good luck to you in your future endeavors.
00:08:09.000 I hope you get through it.
00:08:10.000 That's really where I would like it to end.
00:08:12.000 I can't imagine having to devote this much emotional and intellectual energy to this issue. 0.66
00:08:17.000 But it's absolutely ridiculous because you're right. 0.96
00:08:19.000 There's no other word but nonsense. 0.98
00:08:21.000 It doesn't make any sense.
00:08:22.000 And people are being brainwashed to think, oh, it does make sense because you're not being inclusive all of a sudden because that's the new buzzword is inclusive.
00:08:29.000 But it's not true.
00:08:30.000 It's not true.
00:08:32.000 Exactly.
00:08:32.000 And that is the double standard.
00:08:34.000 We see that massive double standard in call everywhere.
00:08:36.000 We don't even see it in just colleges in America.
00:08:39.000 But you know, I will say the trans issue has crossed over now to a point at which even the left has to be able to hear our argument because it's turned into a woman's rights issue. 0.64
00:08:49.000 And they purport to be for that.
00:08:52.000 And on this particular one, they're going to have to choose.
00:08:55.000 And it's very hard, especially to look at a woman and say, you don't get your point of view.
00:09:00.000 Like, just watch me.
00:09:02.000 I do.
00:09:03.000 Listen, this is how it's going to go.
00:09:05.000 And I do think they're losing their power to shut us up on that issue.
00:09:08.000 Yeah, I think we're starting to win on it, Megan.
00:09:10.000 I see it in public opinion.
00:09:12.000 And I'm curious what you guys are saying.
00:09:13.000 Like, what is just the ordinary person on campus think about the trans thing?
00:09:18.000 I mean, are they indifferent on it or like live and let live?
00:09:21.000 Here's an interesting question: like, how well known is the Riley Gaines situation on your campus?
00:09:26.000 Is it at all?
00:09:27.000 Is that like discussed?
00:09:29.000 We've hosted Riley Gaines at Clemson.
00:09:32.000 It was fantastic.
00:09:34.000 It was amazing.
00:09:35.000 She had so many female athletes in that room who stood up and asked her a question at the end or just asked her advice, saying, I can't say anything about this issue at all because I'm going to get taken off of my student athlete advisory counsel or I'm going to get taken out of my sport.
00:09:52.000 Well, let's not forget Riley did not say anything in the beginning.
00:09:54.000 And I love Riley.
00:09:55.000 She's a heroine in this whole thing.
00:09:57.000 But even she was too afraid when it was going on.
00:10:00.000 And not a single member of the UPenn swim team spoke up at the time either.
00:10:04.000 Now one came forward in the daily.
00:10:07.000 Very powerful.
00:10:07.000 You know, it's the women who are on the front lines of this are definitely afraid.
00:10:13.000 They're young and they're afraid.
00:10:14.000 Let me ask guys, kind of on the trans issue, do you feel the men that you see on campus, do you think there's a lack of masculinity or do you think there's too much toxic masculinity?
00:10:25.000 That's a good question.
00:10:26.000 There is a lacking, for sure, a lacking.
00:10:29.000 You miss testosterone.
00:10:30.000 Yeah, I really do.
00:10:32.000 I really do.
00:10:33.000 It's tragic.
00:10:35.000 I think it's unique to see other men my age.
00:10:39.000 Like just, I think you see it in the apparel that they wear and just the way they talk and the way they carry each other.
00:10:46.000 They're like sexual type thing.
00:10:47.000 Can you expand on that?
00:10:48.000 I want to hear the DJs.
00:10:49.000 Tell us the brands.
00:10:50.000 Tell us the clothes.
00:10:51.000 I think you look like manhood.
00:10:53.000 Yeah, I mean, it's, I, I mean, it's, I, it's, they look like a woman. 1.00
00:11:01.000 And like my, like my father raised me to be very like masculine.
00:11:04.000 Like I, I wear, I wear cowboy boots and jeans to school every day.
00:11:07.000 Like I want people to see like my American flag belt buckle and be like, hey, I know where that guy stand.
00:11:12.000 Right.
00:11:13.000 And so like people, I'll get, I'll get made fun of just because of what I wear. 0.98
00:11:16.000 But it's like, well, I mean, I don't look like an idiot. 0.59
00:11:20.000 So do you think that there's a greater penalty or reward if you come out as an alpha or someone high testosterone driven purpose? 0.96
00:11:29.000 I think all with all the media and the propaganda, it is very centered on, you know, feminizing the man in a way that he fits in.
00:11:37.000 And so he doesn't like, because, you know, toxic masculinity, that's been a topic that's, you know, it's discussed all the time on campus, like, oh, right, because you're a white male, like, you're not allowed to speak on certain topics.
00:11:47.000 Like, we hear that all the time in different stories.
00:11:50.000 So it's if you if you be submissive and weak, then at that point, then you're allowed to speak.
00:11:58.000 I don't want a crier.
00:11:59.000 I don't want a soft man.
00:12:00.000 I don't.
00:12:01.000 I want somebody who's going to take care of me, who's going to fight fights on my behalf for somebody who offends me.
00:12:07.000 You know, it's not that I can't fight on my own.
00:12:08.000 Everybody knows that.
00:12:09.000 But I want a protector.
00:12:11.000 I definitely want in my personal relationship an alpha.
00:12:14.000 And that's what all women want deep down, even if they don't admit it. 0.94
00:12:18.000 Wait, can we talk about on that front, the sexual revolution and what's it like now?
00:12:23.000 Like, is it still free love?
00:12:25.000 And, you know, it's empowering to sleep, to use your hated word, with as many guys as you want.
00:12:30.000 You have to behave like a man in order to feel like you're equal. 0.98
00:12:34.000 There was one time we were tabling on campus at Sac State, and there was this girl wearing an Army t-shirt that walks by and she's just yelling at us, all this crazy stuff, and flipping us off across the quad and all this stuff.
00:12:44.000 And she says the most vulgar thing about sleeping around. 1.00
00:12:47.000 Or like, we asked her, we were like, oh, well, thank you for serving in our country, you know, thinking she was in the Army. 0.92
00:12:53.000 And she said something about how she stole it from the guy she screwed the other day.
00:12:57.000 And I was like, it's all just about getting the attention.
00:12:59.000 And like, I don't know.
00:13:01.000 It just seems like they're desperate for attention and it's not the good kind.
00:13:05.000 I found it very enlightening.
00:13:06.000 You know, we had the opportunity to listen to Dr. James Lindsay yesterday, right?
00:13:10.000 And he mentioned, he's like, we need to start calling it what it is.
00:13:12.000 It's wickedness.
00:13:14.000 You know, my grandpa, he, in talking with him about the craziness of the world, he shared a quote with me.
00:13:19.000 It was, wickedness does not promote rational thought.
00:13:23.000 And I think we see that very prevalent in today's society, right?
00:13:27.000 That with people are confused, right?
00:13:30.000 They're confused.
00:13:32.000 One of my favorite scriptures in the Bible, Isaiah, in the first chapter, he talks about they have forsaken the Lord their God and have gone away backwards.
00:13:38.000 I think that wickedness leads to retroaggression.
00:13:40.000 And I think that's something we're seeing in our society today.
00:13:43.000 Do you ever encounter that in a real way where you have some girl throwing herself at you and wanting to go back that night and you're like, whoa, wrong guy.
00:13:51.000 I don't misread the belt buckle.
00:13:55.000 I mean, I don't see that very often.
00:13:57.000 I do come from a, you know, a place.
00:13:59.000 I'm from Idaho, and so there's a lot more of, I think there's a pretty good religious presence, right?
00:14:04.000 That most people don't do that.
00:14:06.000 And I guess, you know, my friends say, I don't got game sometimes, so I don't know.
00:14:09.000 But you're probably also not putting yourselves in those situations.
00:14:12.000 We were talking, Benny was talking about that yesterday, you know, how it's both up to men and women.
00:14:17.000 When I was in college, this is a long time ago, as a woman, every place was a place where you'd encounter a man who was like that.
00:14:23.000 There was no avoiding men who wanted to sleep with you on the first night.
00:14:27.000 You just had to learn skills to effectively avoid that without potentially ruining the relationship, right?
00:14:35.000 Whether it's a friend or a budding boyfriend.
00:14:38.000 And I really think those are skills you have to develop for life.
00:14:41.000 College is a good place to start developing the ability to just laugh it off, like nice try, but not going to be.
00:14:49.000 Do you guys even feel men approach women naturally in a way in person, or is it like done through Tinder and like hookup acts?
00:14:56.000 I mean, do you feel as if like the normal way of like trying to be charming, even clumsily under inebriation, does that happen as much anymore?
00:15:05.000 Or is it just kind of like transactional?
00:15:07.000 I'm going to do it through a screen.
00:15:09.000 I have a pretty strong opinion on this, actually.
00:15:13.000 I think it's done some, like it's as if a lot of like the women that I like you try to interact with, I think if you approach them in person, like trying to be like more traditional style, it's as if you scare them and they don't.
00:15:26.000 They don't allow it.
00:15:26.000 So it's like if you don't reach out, if you don't play, you know, the games that exist through a screen, you can't find someone to do it.
00:15:34.000 Are you afraid you'll be accused of something?
00:15:36.000 Yeah, I think with, I think a lot of times it's like, oh, you just ask him on a date.
00:15:39.000 It's like, oh, if we go out somewhere, he's, you know, we live in it, we live in such a crazy world with crazy news stories and everything, right?
00:15:45.000 Especially in Idaho.
00:15:47.000 Oh, I give you all the things that you can do.
00:15:48.000 Exactly.
00:15:49.000 Yep.
00:15:51.000 So how then do you date?
00:15:53.000 You have to play the Snapchat games and the texting stuff.
00:15:57.000 Yeah, which is extremely difficult to do.
00:16:00.000 I think they took 10 minutes to text you, so you got to wait 10 minutes to text them back kind of thing.
00:16:03.000 And it's like...
00:16:05.000 And if you text too soon, you're considered needy.
00:16:08.000 They run away.
00:16:10.000 Even as the guy, because traditionally the men pursue.
00:16:13.000 And the woman gets pursued. 1.00
00:16:16.000 Is that still the rule generally or no?
00:16:18.000 I personally would prefer that.
00:16:20.000 Yeah.
00:16:21.000 I don't want to go up to a guy.
00:16:23.000 No.
00:16:23.000 Yeah.
00:16:24.000 No.
00:16:24.000 It's thousands of years of biology giving you that feeling.
00:16:28.000 Did you guys see things get materially worse post-lockdowns with your peers and in your community and your school?
00:16:28.000 You should go with that.
00:16:34.000 Yes.
00:16:35.000 Tell me this way.
00:16:36.000 I went to a church camp in 2021 in the summer.
00:16:39.000 And so a lot of people go every year.
00:16:42.000 And I remember some of the kids that skipped a year and didn't have that time with other Christians because they don't have good family lives and all that stuff.
00:16:51.000 They were so suicidal that year and depressed and all that stuff because they didn't have those interactions with like-minded people.
00:16:58.000 And someone almost, they're like this close to killing themselves.
00:17:02.000 And so.
00:17:03.000 How many of you in your school or your community know one person that's killed themselves?
00:17:06.000 Do all of you guys?
00:17:07.000 All of you?
00:17:08.000 I don't know.
00:17:09.000 I was homeschooled.
00:17:09.000 Well, Megan, I mentioned that because it used to be such a rarity.
00:17:12.000 Right.
00:17:13.000 And now it is the number one killer of young people under the age of 30.
00:17:17.000 That is shocking.
00:17:18.000 What is it?
00:17:19.000 I mean, do you, can you sum it up?
00:17:21.000 It's comparison on social media, and it is the absolute takeover of showing your best self when you're not at your best self.
00:17:30.000 So, Megan, any closing thoughts or questions?
00:17:32.000 We're right up against time.
00:17:33.000 Well, I think your instincts are dead on to stay away from the fake world as much as possible and live in the real world, whether it's dating or figuring out what other people's lives are and to recognize what you just said, that it's all fake, that all of that is fake news, you know.
00:17:46.000 But I do think you are already doing everything right.
00:17:48.000 You found like-minded people, you found a home, you're finding your voice notwithstanding the enormous societal pressure on you.
00:17:54.000 And I would just encourage you that as you go through school and your beginnings of college, if you find somebody who pressures you to abandon your beliefs, that's a good clue to stay away from them.
00:18:04.000 And don't be afraid to stand up to those professors because even if they downgrade you, you can wear that like a badge of honor when you go for your job interviews.
00:18:04.000 That's great.
00:18:12.000 It'll help you land at the right employer when you say, I refused to sacrifice my ideals.
00:18:17.000 That's why I have this D, and I had straight A's and everything else.
00:18:21.000 And I wear this with honor.
00:18:23.000 And then you'll get hired in the right place, and you'll set yourself up for success.
00:18:25.000 You don't want to be hired by a super woke corporation who doesn't believe in any things you do.
00:18:30.000 Well, Megan, we're thrilled that you made time for us both here and also on stage.
00:18:34.000 You do an amazing job.
00:18:35.000 And I got to tell you, you have moved millions of people on the trans issue because you're so clear and courageous on it.
00:18:41.000 And you're making a huge impact.
00:18:42.000 So excited to talk on stage.
00:18:43.000 And God bless you guys.
00:18:44.000 Thanks so much.
00:18:45.000 Nice to meet you.
00:18:49.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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