The Charlie Kirk Show - How One Awful Headline Fueled Countless Conspiracies In the Tyler Robinson Case

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00:01:17.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:19.000 It's March 31st.

00:01:21.000 Blake, welcome.

00:01:22.000 Hello.

00:01:23.000 We had quite an evening.

00:01:25.000 When we got home, there was a breaking news story about the Tyler Robinson trial, which.

00:01:33.000 Sub-breaking news story.

00:01:35.000 It wasn't actually breaking.

00:01:36.000 That's really what we actually want to emphasize because there's.

00:01:39.000 There's several pieces of it, and what people decided to run with online was pretty different from what you and I actually think is the biggest reveal of it.

00:01:48.000 There was actually a lot of reveals, but people should know this.

00:01:52.000 So essentially, the Daily Mail comes out with an article that says the bullet does not match the gun.

00:01:59.000 This is the literal headline that the Daily Mail used and which got millions of views on it.

00:02:03.000 Millions.

00:02:04.000 The headline was bullet used to kill Charlie Kirk did not, all caps, match rifle allegedly used by suspect Tyler Robinson.

00:02:12.000 New court filing claims.

00:02:14.000 Now, we're going to have to unpack that.

00:02:16.000 We're going to unpack a lot of that.

00:02:17.000 But here to help us do it is somebody that I've been watching online for a while now.

00:02:22.000 I've been really impressed with his takes.

00:02:24.000 I've never met him in person before.

00:02:27.000 But he agreed to come on because he was instantly on top of this story.

00:02:32.000 His name is Justin Nazaroff.

00:02:34.000 He's the CEO of Phoenix Ammunition.

00:02:36.000 Welcome to the show, Justin.

00:02:38.000 Thanks for having me, guys.

00:02:39.000 Yeah, it was the first time I've ever seen you, Justin.

00:02:41.000 So it's great to see you.

00:02:44.000 So let's just take apart this.

00:02:47.000 Headline from the Daily Mail.

00:02:49.000 I saw you criticizing it as sort of an egregious misrepresentation of the facts.

00:02:55.000 They're saying the bullet does not match the rifle, you know, court filing claims, right?

00:03:02.000 What's your read of what actually it says?

00:03:06.000 Well, I mean, it's one of those headlines where they can say something that's true, but because they leave out the context, as soon as you read the article, you can see why it's false.

00:03:19.000 And so.

00:03:20.000 What they did was they analyzed a bullet jacket fragment and were unable to determine that it came from the shooter's rifle.

00:03:32.000 So, unfortunately, ballistic science is, in a lot of cases, a best guess, and in many other cases, pseudoscience.

00:03:43.000 But what we know is it doesn't work like CSI Las Vegas.

00:03:47.000 When a bullet hits something and deforms, which is What we've been talking about the whole time, we're assuming that the shooter probably used a hollow point or some other bullet that is functionally intended to.

00:04:00.000 Deform when it hits something.

00:04:02.000 And so when it does that, it doesn't come out in a nice, perfect form where you can see all the lands and grooves from the barrel and make a positive match.

00:04:14.000 So in this case, they can't determine whether the bullet was fired from the rifle, but they also can't determine that it wasn't fired from the rifle.

00:04:24.000 That's effectively all I'm saying.

00:04:26.000 They're saying that there's some reasonable doubt that it could theoretically have been something else.

00:04:30.000 Now, and I'm not making an affirmative declaration one way or another.

00:04:34.000 I want people to understand that this has nothing to do with what I think happened or what anybody else thinks happened.

00:04:41.000 All I'm doing is looking at the facts.

00:04:44.000 And as somebody who's been doing this for a very long time, knowing that most people just really don't understand much about firearms generally, and even people in the firearms community who do understand firearms generally don't really know a lot about ammunition.

00:05:02.000 Yeah, and so you're saying basically because the fragmentation of the bullet was so severe, I don't mean to sort of infer by your tone here, but you're saying, of course, this would be one of the options.

00:05:17.000 Of course, you wouldn't be able to necessarily identify it via forensic evidence with the gun.

00:05:22.000 There's other ways you could.

00:05:24.000 Now, the caliber matches, all of these kinds of things.

00:05:27.000 But I think what people expect is sort of the CSI.

00:05:32.000 Version of reality.

00:05:33.000 A lot of people think, and I think this is a graphic you can see in TV shows or movies where they'll take like a bunch of little pieces of metal out of like, you know, and then they'll like put them all onto like a little, you know, machine and then like the computer will assemble all the bits and they'll just see it.

00:05:49.000 Oh, they'll like bend the bits and reassemble the bullet and then like green text will pop up that says confirm dead.

00:05:55.000 Ding, ding, ding.

00:05:56.000 Yeah.

00:05:56.000 So yeah, I'm just going to read one of your tweets.

00:05:58.000 I'm not going to put it up on screen because you use some colorful language here, Justin, but you say, Completely and utterly misleading garbage about this Daily Mail headline.

00:06:08.000 You say the bullet is unable to be identified because it's fragmented, you use more colorful language here, it's fragmented into a bunch of pieces.

00:06:17.000 And when that happens, they don't do some magic CSI Las Vegas animation where they manage to reassemble the bullet and perfectly align the lands and grooves to match a barrel.

00:06:26.000 None of that is real.

00:06:27.000 That is not how science works.

00:06:29.000 And so, I, and then, you know, it was interesting to watch the internet last night.

00:06:33.000 This story hits.

00:06:35.000 All the usual suspects take it and run it.

00:06:37.000 And then a bunch of saner voices come in and say, This is not something new.

00:06:42.000 We've known that the bullet fragmented.

00:06:44.000 We knew that lining up the gun.

00:06:46.000 We knew in the first days after that that the bullet fragmented.

00:06:48.000 Yeah, lining it perfectly up to the rifle was going to be a challenge.

00:06:52.000 But there's other ways that you could match, in theory, right?

00:06:56.000 And again, I respect that you're not trying to say this happened or that happened.

00:07:00.000 You're just giving us the details, you're giving us the facts.

00:07:02.000 There's other ways you could match a gun to a bullet, correct?

00:07:05.000 Like if the casings match or the They could test the metal and show this is the same metal as the rounds that were recovered with the rifle, which remember, we have a rifle with rounds that have political messages engraved on them.

00:07:18.000 And the casing that they have from this also has a message engraved on it, apparently, that matches.

00:07:24.000 Yeah, I mean, I guess I'll even walk that back a bit further.

00:07:28.000 It's actually very difficult to match a bullet to a rifle.

00:07:33.000 So, for example, 30-odd six as a cartridge uses the same bullet that's used in 308 Winchester.

00:07:40.000 So, even if you recovered a 308 diameter bullet that was perfectly intact, if you didn't have the rifle that it was fired from to match the lands and grooves, there would be no way for you to determine that it was fired from a rifle chambered in 308 Winchester or 30-odd six.

00:07:58.000 And so then when you start mangling up bullets that are roughly about the same size, a lot of medium to large caliber rifles use projectiles that are roughly the same length, roughly the same weight, roughly the same diameter.

00:08:11.000 So if you smash those up into pieces, you may not even, if they didn't have a rifle to compare it to, there's no guarantee that they would even be able to know what the caliber of the cartridge was beyond reasonable doubt.

00:08:28.000 So it's a very inexact science.

00:08:30.000 And in case, In this case, Candace Owens, I hate to bring her up, but she mentioned on her podcast on September 25th that the bullet was fragmented into pieces.

00:08:42.000 So, this is something that the people on that side of the fence have known for a long time.

00:08:48.000 And they're just basically milking more views and more audience out of the same information we already had.

00:08:56.000 It's basically like Schrdinger's bullet, right?

00:08:59.000 If they had managed to recover a fully intact bullet where the lands and grooves matched perfectly, People on the other side would say, well, it's obvious that the bullet was planted because you're telling me that a bullet was fired through a human being and it was in perfect condition.

00:09:14.000 There's no way that that came out of Charlie Kirk.

00:09:17.000 It must have been something that they fired in a test range and this is what they're using to frame the shooter.

00:09:22.000 But in this case, because it's broken up into pieces, they can say, oh, well, see, we can't even identify the bullet.

00:09:28.000 So it must not have been Tyler Robinson.

00:09:30.000 It has to be somebody else.

00:09:31.000 It's just, it's nonsense.

00:09:34.000 Inconclusive or unable to identify is not the same as does not match.

00:09:39.000 So, it's a reckless headline.

00:09:41.000 They know what they were doing.

00:09:42.000 It's despicable.

00:09:43.000 So, here's the interesting thing.

00:09:45.000 So, if you looked at all this documentation, and again, this was not new news.

00:09:50.000 There was a court filing, actually, I think by the media that confirmed the fragmentation of the bullet and the ATF report a couple of weeks back, but somehow this became the headline.

00:10:02.000 The defense also referenced, so they used this to say, hey, we're going to try and delay this trial even more, which, in my opinion, Would be unfortunate because I think the country, there's a void that's filled.

00:10:15.000 The legal system does not move at the speed of social media, and we see this causing problems all the time.

00:10:20.000 But it's interesting.

00:10:21.000 In this same document, they say the defense also referenced the massive size of evidence amassed by 28 law enforcement agencies in the case.

00:10:28.000 According to the motion, the discovery in the case includes 20,000 files, 61,500 pages of documents and images, and over 700 hours of video.

00:10:38.000 Not to mention, we also.

00:10:40.000 Find out that the parents and the trans identifying boyfriend, Lance Twiggs, are going to be prosecuted or going to be testifying on behalf of the prosecution.

00:10:49.000 And yet, this is what becomes the headline.

00:10:53.000 What do you make of all of that, Justin, when you kind of take it all in together?

00:10:58.000 Well, it seems obvious that there are people who will latch onto the piece of evidence that they think can be most easily used to confuse people.

00:11:11.000 Like I was getting at earlier, this is a situation where no matter what they said about the bullet in particular, there would be a way for them to spin it to either prove or disprove what they think happened.

00:11:24.000 So, unfortunately, all the other evidence, the videos and what have you, none of that has been viewable by the public.

00:11:33.000 And I think once that does become viewable, it will answer a lot of these questions and ideally get everybody on the same page.

00:11:42.000 But for the time being, Most of the theories on the other side of the table revolve around the idea that it could not have been Tyler Robinson because there's no way that a 30-odd six could have caused the damage that it caused without causing more damage.

00:11:59.000 And so, well, yeah, yeah, a pause right there because a lot of this has, and I hate going into it on this, but like at some point we have to.

00:12:08.000 Charlie was my friend, he was Blake's friend.

00:12:10.000 He sat in this chair for years, and it's hard to even talk about this because it is graphic in nature.

00:12:17.000 But you know, a lot of this conspiracy stuff goes around no exit wound.

00:12:21.000 Well, there's different types of bullets, and I'm getting educated on this.

00:12:26.000 And when you see fragmentation like this, What does that tell you about the nature of the round itself?

00:12:32.000 What kind of, you know, there's hollow point, there's full metal jacket.

00:12:36.000 Does it tell you something about the type of round and why there wouldn't be an exit wound?

00:12:41.000 Yeah, it tells me that somebody wanted Charlie Kirk dead.

00:12:45.000 I mean, that's really the long and the short of it.

00:12:47.000 If you're going to assassinate somebody, you would most assuredly use some sort of a hollow point projectile or some other type of projectile that's designed to break into pieces because that's what causes the most terminal damage on the target.

00:13:02.000 You would not want to use something like a full metal jacket bullet where it would pass all the way through the target and leave a relatively small entry and possibly small exit room.

00:13:16.000 So, this is exactly what I would expect.

00:13:18.000 I mean, you know, like you hate to say it, but if you are in a position to politically assassinate somebody, that's exactly the round that you would choose.

00:13:26.000 So, it tells me that this is somebody who thought about it a little bit.

00:13:32.000 And decided that they wanted somebody dead.

00:13:35.000 It's consistent with somebody that knows enough about firearms to understand that you're using a hollow point round for things like hunting and self defense, specifically for that reason, because they expand, they unfold, they break into pieces, and generally leave no exit wound.

00:13:52.000 Because in those cases, the idea is to prevent hitting somebody that's behind the person that you're trying to defend yourself from or causing it to pass all the way through an animal and perhaps endanger somebody behind it.

00:14:07.000 Or just at worst, passing through and not causing enough damage to, you know, either eliminate the threat in the case of a self defense scenario or in the case of hunting, you know, to cause the animal to die quickly and humanely.

00:14:23.000 So, this is 100% consistent with what I would have expected to hear.

00:14:28.000 What I've gathered, you know, is that apparently in 40% of cases involving high velocity rounds, They're unable to match a bullet to a weapon because of this fragmentation that happens.

00:14:44.000 Apparently, it's very common, almost half of the cases, you can't match it because the bullet is so badly damaged.

00:14:50.000 Which I want to really dive into that because, okay, we're still able to make conclusions in cases where they can't make that match.

00:14:59.000 And that's what we really should emphasize.

00:15:01.000 The real news of the past few days from these filings from the defense is they're reacting to evidence that the prosecution is planning to present, including at the preliminary hearing that they want pushed back.

00:15:12.000 By six months, because they're trying to drag this case out as long as possible.

00:15:15.000 At the preliminary hearing, it is reported that the prosecution plans to call Tyler Robinson's parents and Tyler Robinson's furry boyfriend to the stand.

00:15:26.000 So we've seen over and over, it's actually, it just gets wildly alleged on social media that actually his parents didn't turn him in.

00:15:34.000 Actually, his parents don't, they're not cooperating with police.

00:15:36.000 They've just lied about these things when in reality, we know from endless documentation, they were involved in turning him in.

00:15:44.000 And now it appears that they're ready to testify in the case.

00:15:47.000 Right.

00:15:47.000 And that is how we're able to reach conclusions about this case without a bullet match.

00:15:52.000 Yeah.

00:15:52.000 And you can say the casings match, the DNAs match, the markings on the bullet casings match.

00:15:57.000 The text messages match?

00:15:58.000 Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of other.

00:16:00.000 His location matches?

00:16:01.000 Yeah.

00:16:02.000 Justin, final 30 seconds to you.

00:16:04.000 What do you want people to take away from what we believe is a misleading headline from the Daily Mail?

00:16:10.000 Yeah, I want people to take away the fact that, again, ballistic science is very inexact at best.

00:16:16.000 And you're dealing with a lot of people on the internet who have no knowledge of it whatsoever.

00:16:21.000 And so it's very easy to, even in court cases, it's very easy to confuse a jury.

00:16:29.000 You know, they discussed ammunition in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, and a lot of the information that they presented was false on both sides, actually.

00:16:38.000 So, this is not an exact science.

00:16:41.000 This is not something that you can draw 100% conclusions about.

00:16:44.000 This is but one piece of evidence among many.

00:16:47.000 And I wish people would just take a breath and relax.

00:16:50.000 Justin, thank you for joining us.

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00:18:06.000 Want to bring in the one, the only, Citizen Kane from Citizen Free Press, welcome back to the show, my friend.

00:18:14.000 Lots going on in the world.

00:18:16.000 I didn't brief you on this, but if you feel like chiming in, please do about this whole Daily Mail thing.

00:18:22.000 I'm sure you saw the headline.

00:18:24.000 Do you have thoughts, Kane?

00:18:26.000 Yeah, did you see what headlines I gave it?

00:18:30.000 No, I've had a busy couple of hours, like 24 hours, I would say.

00:18:34.000 Yeah, I gave Kane, there's an ex guy, a Twitter guy, Kane Akoa.

00:18:41.000 Oh, yeah, exactly.

00:18:43.000 Yeah, so I found that tweet, and it was a really good sort of breakdown of why the Daily Mail headline is ridiculous.

00:18:53.000 And so, yeah, so I've got a lot of Twitter clowns fall for Charlie Kirk assassination subplot, the bullet misdirection play.

00:19:01.000 That is a good headline.

00:19:02.000 Thank you for that one, Kane.

00:19:03.000 There you go, Kane.

00:19:03.000 And then you have Tyler Robinson DNA found all over rifle.

00:19:07.000 Furry boyfriend Lance Twigs called to testify.

00:19:10.000 Thank you very much.

00:19:10.000 That's very appreciated.

00:19:12.000 I didn't even know.

00:19:13.000 You know, we booked this before this whole story dropped, and.

00:19:16.000 It's been a busy, like I said, let's just say 12 to 18 hours.

00:19:20.000 So, usually I'm like, I've got the stack on my desktop just constantly refreshing.

00:19:27.000 So, you know me.

00:19:28.000 But, no, that's great headlines.

00:19:30.000 Yeah, there was another one.

00:19:32.000 I think I just went, I gave it a third headline to the Kanekoa tweet.

00:19:36.000 Ridiculous headline from the Daily Mail.

00:19:39.000 I didn't even want, I didn't link to the Daily Mail story.

00:19:42.000 I didn't even really want, because it's so confusing.

00:19:45.000 You know, I had to read it a couple of times.

00:19:47.000 First of all, Just the way the visual, the graphics of Daily Mail are horrible.

00:19:52.000 So they make reading stories difficult to begin with.

00:19:54.000 And then when you go with a misleading headline like that, You know, it makes it even worse as you sort of go ahead.

00:20:01.000 No, no, I was just going to say, I didn't mean to cut you off.

00:20:04.000 I just think it's worth reading Kanekoa the Great's tweet here because it was good.

00:20:09.000 He says, What a misleading headline from the Daily Mail.

00:20:12.000 The ATF ran a tool mark analysis on a bullet jacket fragment recovered from Charlie's autopsy.

00:20:18.000 The result was inconclusive, not no match.

00:20:22.000 The jacket was too fragmented to compare, which also partially explains the lack of an exit wound.

00:20:27.000 The bullet shattered on impact.

00:20:28.000 Inconclusive means.

00:20:29.000 Insufficient evidence to draw any conclusion.

00:20:32.000 It doesn't mean the bullet did not match the rifle, like the headline says.

00:20:36.000 The defense wants to use inconclusive as exculpatory evidence, but the prosecution wants to run chemical or molecular analysis comparing the jacket alloy to ammunition recovered with the gun.

00:20:47.000 Unlike tool mark analysis, it doesn't require an intact bullet.

00:20:51.000 The defense is trying to block that testing from happening.

00:20:54.000 That's the nuance of the real story.

00:20:57.000 That's very well said and very concise.

00:20:59.000 Yeah, he's good on everything.

00:21:00.000 That guy, he.

00:21:01.000 He had a substack for a while that he was keeping up with, but he writes fantastic stuff.

00:21:06.000 That's why I actually put the Tyler Robinson DNA post in there as well.

00:21:11.000 Was just that one, you know, some of the best stuff is often found in the replies, the top replies on Twitter.

00:21:18.000 And, you know, it was just some, it was actually Grok, I think, pointing out that Tyler Robinson's DNA was found on the trigger, it was found on multiple parts of the rifle.

00:21:31.000 So, anyway, it's just ridiculous to me.

00:21:33.000 I'll just say this because I want to hear your and Blake's thoughts because I don't really live in this world.

00:21:38.000 As I've told you, I'm too busy sort of on the stack juggling tabs, right?

00:21:42.000 So, I'm not able to spend time on X and follow what's going on and the machinations.

00:21:47.000 And it's just insanity to me that this entire subculture has built up around an actual belief in an alternate shooter.

00:22:00.000 So, I'm just not going to say any more than that, but it's just.

00:22:04.000 Other than it's shocking to me.

00:22:06.000 Like every time I venture, like I did yesterday, I'm just stunned that people actually believe this stuff.

00:22:11.000 So, yeah, well, it was interesting too to kind of see the, it was a bit of a back and forth, right?

00:22:16.000 You see the headline, massive amount of, you know, we told you so.

00:22:20.000 You know, I think people kind of, in a weird, sick way, rushing to Tyler Robinson's defense.

00:22:26.000 People want Tyler Robinson to be acquitted.

00:22:28.000 In the case of some people, I think it's just because they actively like the idea of Charlie's killer getting away with it.

00:22:34.000 Yeah.

00:22:35.000 I think that's clearly the case, the motive with some of them.

00:22:38.000 Some of them are just so addicted to their particular conspiracy hobby horses that they, you know, it's the, you know, every single thing looks like a nail to a hammer.

00:22:47.000 And I think some want to have part of like an inside knowledge that they know better that you can't trust the authorities.

00:22:53.000 What's interesting to me though, and I made this, I haven't said this out loud yet, but that line of thinking of that you can't trust our authorities, well, hold on.

00:23:03.000 Now you're trusting an ATF analysis that came back inconclusive.

00:23:08.000 So if, If they were just trying to conspire to get Tyler Robinson convicted against the real truth that some other person did it or he was a patsy or whatever, why would the ATF not just come back with a, oh, it's conclusive?

00:23:25.000 So, on the one hand, you don't want to listen to the feds, but on the other hand, you're very willing to believe that this bullet was the inconclusive findings from the ATF.

00:23:34.000 So, it kind of defeats their own argument if you think of it that way.

00:23:38.000 But, you know, listen, I think what was interesting from a media perspective, and I think you would appreciate this, Kane, is that it felt like this headline was engineered to get this reaction.

00:23:52.000 That's what bothered me the most because it was so reckless, it was so irresponsible.

00:23:56.000 I call it media malfeasance.

00:23:58.000 It was engineered to play into this cottage industry that's developed online.

00:24:03.000 Yeah, there was a lot of interesting stuff that both of you said, but I'll start with the last part.

00:24:08.000 Yeah, look, Daily Mail editors know what the heck they're doing with these headlines.

00:24:15.000 They know what's going on in the subplot, as you said, and it was manufactured for them.

00:24:20.000 That's why I believe in free speech, but there was someone who had made a comment that Daily Mail should actually be blocked from X for a week or for two weeks as punishment for such a horrible headline.

00:24:32.000 Saying that the bullet didn't match.

00:24:35.000 And then going into what you guys said before, it is just look, it's weird anytime you try to get into the brain of a conspiracy theorist, right?

00:24:46.000 How do you go into all of the reasons that maybe they get a thrill out of it?

00:24:50.000 They want to know stuff that other people don't know.

00:24:52.000 All of that is true.

00:24:54.000 And it kind of sucks.

00:24:55.000 I mean, I want to, you know, part of me always feels like, you know, it sort of sucks that it's allowed to be out there, that this kind of stuff is allowed to.

00:25:03.000 You know, get seep into the subconscious of what happened surrounding Charlie's assassination, but at the same time, it's free speech, and you can't, you know, you gotta allow everything.

00:25:15.000 But this is really one of those examples where I wish certain people could have been gagged, you know, just maybe if there was a stupidity meter for speech that your speech has to pass a sub level bar before it's allowed in, you know, for the rest of us to hear.

00:25:33.000 But anyway, yeah, I don't know how you guys deal with it.

00:25:36.000 I honestly don't know how you deal with it.

00:25:37.000 Yeah, I. You know, listen, the only way through is through, Kane.

00:25:40.000 I will tell you.

00:25:41.000 And God gives us enough grace for each and every day.

00:25:44.000 I will tell you.

00:25:45.000 And, you know, here's the encouraging part, though.

00:25:47.000 And I didn't really finish my thought it was like a seesaw.

00:25:52.000 So you get this first wave, and then you have this army of people, most of whom I have no idea who these people are, rushing to Team Sanity, basically saying, You guys are taking this in a misleading direction.

00:26:05.000 It's a misleading headline.

00:26:07.000 You guys are being idiots.

00:26:08.000 We had Phoenix Ammunition, who's a guy I've just seen on Twitter, an ex.

00:26:12.000 You know, basically trying to talk sense into people for months.

00:26:15.000 And I finally was like, I reached out to him.

00:26:18.000 I was like, Hey, man, I saw your comment on this.

00:26:19.000 Would you come on and just say that on the show if you feel like it's true?

00:26:23.000 And he was like, Absolutely.

00:26:24.000 You know, it's just some new friend, you know, just through the mix of this.

00:26:27.000 And I've seen so much of this online where you're seeing the emergence of new, like, powerful, confident voices rushing to Team Sanity.

00:26:36.000 So it was actually kind of cool because you saw, like, the vibe shift in real time last night.

00:26:41.000 So there's the positive benefit of free speech right there, even if it's ugly and stupid.

00:26:45.000 Yeah, there's a cost for free speech.

00:26:47.000 There is a cost for free speech.

00:26:48.000 And the cost is that sometimes stupid people say stupid things.

00:26:51.000 But hopefully, courage and wisdom, prudence, will rush in and fill the void.

00:26:57.000 So it's not just one side winning the day, if you will.

00:27:01.000 Kane, I have so much more I want to get to besides the Daily Mail story.

00:27:07.000 And that, we've run through most of our segment here, but I'm going to keep you for the next segment so we get to it.

00:27:13.000 But let's just start here.

00:27:17.000 Citizen Free Press, how are the troops doing?

00:27:20.000 How's the base feeling right now?

00:27:22.000 We got a final 30, 40 seconds here.

00:27:24.000 They're hanging with it.

00:27:25.000 They're hanging with it.

00:27:26.000 You know, we're still, this is day 31.

00:27:29.000 I think people are giving Trump six to seven and a half weeks to finish this thing.

00:27:33.000 Yeah, the Netanyahu comment that we're beyond the halfway point from Israel's standpoint.

00:27:38.000 I just put up the Jamie Dimon.

00:27:39.000 People should go to Citizen Free Press, find that Jamie Dimon quote where he says, regardless of whether you think we should have started this war, now that we're in it, ignore the freaking markets, screw the markets.

00:27:49.000 And finish the war correctly.

00:27:51.000 Logistically, it's much better just to finish the thing.

00:27:54.000 So I think that's, but to answer the basis.

00:27:58.000 Is still hanging in there with Trump.

00:27:59.000 Well, that's good to know.

00:28:00.000 I mean, nobody knows the base like Kane at Citizen Free Press.

00:28:05.000 You guys have a massive, massive audience.

00:28:07.000 Millions of people check it every day, and I recommend everybody check out Citizen Free Press every day.

00:28:12.000 I usually am like, I know your stack as well as you do, usually on most days, but it's been a busy one here, Kane.

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00:30:55.000 When it comes to Iran, you're saying that the base is sticking there with Trump.

00:30:59.000 They're extending him a bit of trust, a bit of leash, because they know that he's not gotten us into forever wars and quagmires in the Middle East like so many other presidents before him.

00:31:10.000 Question, though.

00:31:12.000 What happens if President Trump uses boots on the ground?

00:31:15.000 Do you see that that trust and that confidence, that patience would fade?

00:31:19.000 It'll cause a massive freak out on X, that's for sure.

00:31:24.000 I mean, you know, all of this is sort of relative, right?

00:31:32.000 They've laid the groundwork.

00:31:34.000 Hegsev talked about it this morning.

00:31:35.000 There are 15 different ways they could use combat troops, and then yet they might not need them at all.

00:31:42.000 He's trying to keep the enemy guessing.

00:31:45.000 But it's also, I don't.

00:31:47.000 Did we lose him?

00:31:48.000 I don't know.

00:31:49.000 We might have lost Kane for a second.

00:31:50.000 See if you guys can get him back.

00:31:52.000 I want to play this.

00:31:53.000 He mentioned this Jamie Dimon clip that was kind of an unexpected.

00:31:58.000 To take on Iran, saying you got to get the job done right.

00:32:02.000 SOP 15.

00:32:04.000 I think the market, you know, like some markets are unpredictable, and it's hard for me to tell you exactly what, but I think they're just looking at is there a chance something can go wrong?

00:32:12.000 Now, we should all hope nothing goes wrong.

00:32:14.000 We should all hope that these bad people are, you know, that we win this thing and clean up the straits and that Iran is no longer a threat to everybody.

00:32:22.000 But, you know, the markets will be concerned until it's over.

00:32:25.000 It's much more important that this be successfully completed than what the market does.

00:32:29.000 Yeah, and let's play another clip while we're waiting for Kane to get back connected.

00:32:34.000 This is Secretary of War Pete Hegseth.

00:32:37.000 It seems like the misdirection here is part of the play.

00:32:41.000 They want to keep the Iranians guessing, the regime guessing.

00:32:44.000 SOC 2.

00:32:45.000 President Trump and boots on the ground.

00:32:48.000 We're not going to foreclose any option.

00:32:50.000 You can't fight and win a war if you tell your adversary what you are willing to do or what you are not willing to do, to include boots on the ground.

00:32:58.000 Our adversary right now, Thinks there are 15 different ways we could come at them with boots on the ground.

00:33:03.000 And guess what?

00:33:04.000 There are.

00:33:05.000 So if we needed to, we could execute those options on behalf of the President of the United States and this department.

00:33:11.000 Or maybe we don't have to use them at all.

00:33:14.000 Misdirection, is that the point?

00:33:16.000 Oh, sir, for sure.

00:33:18.000 I mean, I'm, you know, I've, you guys have probably read The Art of War by Sun Tzu.

00:33:24.000 I don't think I ever, maybe I did read that in college.

00:33:27.000 So yeah, keep them guessing.

00:33:29.000 You know, your original question was how will the base react?

00:33:32.000 And so, my quick response is certain people will freak out, but I think it's going to be limited and contained.

00:33:39.000 And I also think it's possible that we may not know about it in real time.

00:33:42.000 It's possible that an operation can occur in 12 hours, 24 hours, and then we'll hear about it.

00:33:48.000 Obviously, that changes if we're talking about occupying Karg Island.

00:33:52.000 There's a lot of other things like Trump talking about wanting control over a certain amount of the Iranian oil, and that would mean probably holding the occupation of Karg Island.

00:34:02.000 So, there's a lot of, you know, Think a lot of variables, let's put it that way.

00:34:07.000 But how will the overall base respond positively as long as there aren't a huge number of American deaths?

00:34:14.000 I think that's really the barometer.

00:34:16.000 Interesting.

00:34:17.000 Yeah.

00:34:18.000 So go ahead.

00:34:20.000 Well, I just, I find that interesting.

00:34:22.000 So I think we've been talking about it, Blake and I. You know, yesterday I said very clearly, I don't support boots on the ground.

00:34:29.000 I think, I think there has to be, because listen, once you do boots on the ground, then there's a reason to send more boots on the ground.

00:34:38.000 Lives are on the line, casualties mount.

00:34:42.000 And there's always, yes, there's always going to be an excuse to expand the operation.

00:34:47.000 There's always going to be, well, we're this committed, we're this pot committed, keep putting more troops in.

00:34:52.000 Well, we got to get, if we do a little bit of a surge over here, then we're going to be able to get this.

00:34:57.000 So listen, I hear Jamie Dimon's point, and I sort of agree at some level, right?

00:35:01.000 If you're going to do this, the die's already been cast, get the job done right.

00:35:05.000 I understand that.

00:35:06.000 When you go boots on the ground, that's another level.

00:35:09.000 You're saying that the vibe from the base, as you're perceiving it at Citizen Free Press, is that you think that they will continue extending patience for the president, trust in the president, so long as the casualties don't match.

00:35:25.000 That's actually the dividing line that you're perceiving.

00:35:28.000 Well, that's the one thing you can't really argue against.

00:35:31.000 If you're trying to say, give the president time, give the president time, and then someone says, well, there's 100 deaths, that's a very difficult thing to argue to say that 100 Americans should have lost their lives in this war.

00:35:43.000 I'm against boots on the ground as well.

00:35:45.000 I think the boots on the ground ought to be somehow an Iranian force andor a Gulf nation force.

00:35:52.000 I mean, if.

00:35:54.000 Or let the Israelis lead the charge if they want to do that.

00:35:57.000 Yeah, all of that.

00:35:58.000 Look, I certainly don't think we should take Karg Island just so that we end up with control of a certain percentage of Iranian oil.

00:36:07.000 Like, that's not a good enough reason.

00:36:09.000 I think the whole point of this is get rid of their ballistic missiles, get rid of their uranium, and if you can, if you're lucky, allow for a regime change where the theocracy is gone.

00:36:21.000 You know, getting Iranian oil is not the fourth pillar of this thing, and that shouldn't be the reason for truth.

00:36:28.000 But when you ask how the base, I feel like deaths.

00:36:31.000 Are really going to be the thing.

00:36:33.000 If, you know, we'll see.

00:36:36.000 I would say it's at least a 50 50 chance that we are going to have boots on the ground.

00:36:39.000 So we're going to find out.

00:36:40.000 Blake, any thoughts on that?

00:36:42.000 I mean, I think he's correct.

00:36:44.000 I think the base has clearly shown they're willing to trust President Trump.

00:36:48.000 But I think, who was it just the other day who argued the support is there, but it's soft?

00:36:53.000 It's soft.

00:36:54.000 It's thin support.

00:36:55.000 That was Knowles.

00:36:56.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:36:57.000 It's not, I don't think it's the sort of thing that will survive a really severe stress test.

00:37:04.000 And if it starts to be hundreds of casualties, or if there starts to be really serious economic consequences as a side effect of this, I just think a lot of people are going to say, I support getting on now.

00:37:15.000 They might even say, I support the president's strategy while also saying, end the war immediately.

00:37:19.000 Yeah.

00:37:20.000 Kane, do you feel any consternation?

00:37:22.000 Because he's now talking about France and the UK, how they haven't been helping us, and they can come get their own jet fuel, they can come get their own oil.

00:37:33.000 Some are reading that as like an end to the American empire, end to the Global world order as we've known it.

00:37:38.000 Other people are like, screw these European people because they're weak and they're feckless and they're useless.

00:37:45.000 What do you think the base is perceiving that as?

00:37:48.000 I would say that the latter.

00:37:51.000 Those were some funny comments from Trump.

00:37:53.000 I mean, we all can sort of tell when he's being tongue in cheek and when he's being completely serious, and there was definitely some sarcasm there.

00:37:59.000 But it's nice, you know?

00:38:01.000 It's nice for a president to have no concern for norms of communication.

00:38:07.000 And just sort of speak the way he does.

00:38:11.000 Going back to the boots on the ground thing, you had even Lindsey Graham.

00:38:14.000 I haven't put it in the stack yet, but he's got that quote out there.

00:38:18.000 Yeah, he's got that quote out there saying that we ought to get close to wrapping this thing up.

00:38:23.000 So I think you're going to see a lot of pressure, and I think Trump knows it.

00:38:27.000 Citizen Kane, Citizen Free Press, great job as always, my friend.

00:38:30.000 We'll have you on again soon.

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00:39:52.000 Right now, I want to kind of change gears here and I want to bring on Ellie Hirsch.

00:39:57.000 She is the The Brightcore Senior Health Advisor.

00:40:01.000 So, what is Brightcore?

00:40:02.000 They have a bunch of these products, supplements, whatever, that help deal with your gut, with microplastics, and so much more.

00:40:11.000 There's a lot of reasons this ties in.

00:40:13.000 We got the whole Maha crowd.

00:40:15.000 Maha is a completely different part of the coalition, and we need to be talking about Maha.

00:40:21.000 We need to be talking about making our food healthier, making our bodies healthier, if we're going to keep the coalition together.

00:40:27.000 I'm just going to be honest.

00:40:28.000 We're not doing a good enough job about that.

00:40:29.000 So, what's why I wanted to bring on Ellie?

00:40:30.000 Ellie Hirsch, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:40:33.000 Thank you for having me.

00:40:34.000 Absolutely.

00:40:35.000 So, I am very passionate about Maha.

00:40:38.000 Charlie was very passionate about Maha, Make America Healthy Again.

00:40:41.000 And so, this was this product you guys have, and Blake was all into it.

00:40:47.000 And I was like, we got to do this.

00:40:49.000 So, Blake went to Korea with Charlie, and apparently, all they did was eat the vegetables.

00:40:55.000 All they eat is pickled vegetables.

00:40:56.000 Pickled vegetables.

00:40:57.000 If you go to East Asia, it's their staple.

00:40:59.000 Take every single vegetable, they pickle it, and then they eat it at every single meal.

00:41:03.000 And apparently, they're so healthy because of it, which is frustrating because I eat zero pickled vegetables.

00:41:07.000 Anything.

00:41:08.000 I actually don't like the taste.

00:41:09.000 But then I was talking to Kathleen.

00:41:10.000 What's wrong with you?

00:41:12.000 So Kathleen was like, this stuff, this thing is actually really intense.

00:41:16.000 So why don't you just like start there?

00:41:19.000 Like microbiome, microplastics, give us the whole like pitch.

00:41:23.000 Yeah, it's a lot to cover for sure.

00:41:26.000 I really want to start though with what's happening in the world right now and how it's affecting our bodies and how Kimchi is solving the problem.

00:41:38.000 So, you know, we're talking about that's a big statement, Ellie.

00:41:41.000 That's a big statement.

00:41:44.000 Just for the record, when you hear that kimchi is solving somebody's problem, it doesn't naturally follow.

00:41:49.000 But I've actually become convinced that it's true.

00:41:52.000 It's why we're here.

00:41:53.000 So continue.

00:41:54.000 Yes.

00:41:55.000 I am proof.

00:41:56.000 Our customers are proof.

00:41:57.000 I'm telling you, and we'll get to that in a little bit, that kimchi is the answer to a lot of these things.

00:42:02.000 And, you know, war, things like that that are happening around us, okay?

00:42:08.000 It's affecting everybody.

00:42:11.000 Okay, obviously, it's affecting our soldiers and people on the other side of the world.

00:42:15.000 Okay, and war, we know this, it hurts everybody, right?

00:42:19.000 And what's happening is bombs and fires and destroyed buildings and vehicles and damaged factories.

00:42:27.000 They're releasing dirty smoke, toxic chemicals, heavy metals, tiny plastic particles in the air, water, and soil.

00:42:35.000 So I want to start there because it's what reality is.

00:42:39.000 Well, and Ellie, I was looking this up.

00:42:42.000 So this is actually true.

00:42:42.000 And by the way, even if it wasn't a war, it's like, China's doing this all the time, anyways, just through their factories.

00:42:47.000 But this goes up to the upper atmosphere, the higher levels of the atmosphere, and then it travels all around the world.

00:42:52.000 So even though we are so far removed from what's happening in Iran, this stuff actually affects the entirety of the population on planet Earth.

00:43:03.000 Correct.

00:43:03.000 So no matter where you live, these microplastics and toxins are having a significant negative impact on your health.

00:43:12.000 And for those who may not know what microplastics are, I think we all do, but But they're tiny plastic particles that form when larger plastic items break down because there's sunlight, there's heat, there's friction, right?

00:43:23.000 And they are found everywhere our oceans, rivers, soil, food, drinking water.

00:43:28.000 We're breathing it in, it's in our air.

00:43:31.000 And because they're so small, Andrew, they are able to easily move through the food chain and enter the bloodstream and our organs.

00:43:39.000 They're absorbed, they're ingested, and they're inhaled.

00:43:43.000 Every time we take a breath, we are inhaling microplastics.

00:43:47.000 And I have a couple of really scary statistics here.

00:43:50.000 So, did you know that microplastics are found in 94% of U.S. drinking water?

00:43:56.000 Okay.

00:43:57.000 And for those who say.

00:43:58.000 100%.

00:43:59.000 I would have thought 100%.

00:44:01.000 I just assume I'm swimming in a sea of microplastics at this point.

00:44:05.000 And you are.

00:44:06.000 Yeah.

00:44:06.000 You are basically.

00:44:07.000 And even if you're a bottled water drinker, which, you know, people aren't because of the plastic, 80 to 93% of bottled water globally.

00:44:16.000 And, you know, I don't know if you're a meat eater, a seafood lover, or maybe you're a vegetarian and you have other protein sources, but 88% of our meat and.

00:44:26.000 Yeah.

00:44:26.000 Definitely not a vegetarian.

00:44:28.000 Definitely not a vegetarian.

00:44:29.000 So I'm getting lots of plastics.

00:44:30.000 Okay.

00:44:31.000 But here's the thing.

00:44:31.000 You are.

00:44:32.000 You're telling me that kimchi.

00:44:33.000 So, this is.

00:44:34.000 Okay, you have to.

00:44:35.000 I want the audience to fully appreciate this.

00:44:38.000 I am the chief of skeptics here.

00:44:39.000 I mean, Blake might be my chief of skeptics here.

00:44:42.000 Blake calls everything woo woo.

00:44:43.000 But then, like, but then you see Koreans, and all they do is eat kimchi.

00:44:48.000 And so, yeah.

00:44:50.000 And apparently, there's like kimchi.

00:44:51.000 They are very fit people.

00:44:53.000 They're very healthy people.

00:44:54.000 They all seem to live to be 100 years old.

00:44:56.000 Yeah, but kimchi, exactly.

00:44:58.000 Kimchi is actually this, like, crazy, like, superfood.

00:45:01.000 And I.

00:45:02.000 It is.

00:45:03.000 You guys had to prove this to me.

00:45:05.000 Uh,.

00:45:05.000 Kind of extensively because I didn't believe it, but okay, because I get probiotics through like yogurt, right?

00:45:12.000 Compare yogurt to a kimchi, just like this.

00:45:15.000 This was a like, there's some stats here that kind of blow your mind when you realize kimchi is legitimately this crazy probiotic food, yeah.

00:45:23.000 So, I mean, probiotics are great, you know, there's so many on the market, whether you're eating it through yogurt or what have you, but do we really know what's in it?

00:45:32.000 Okay, we don't, and so the reason why I'm sort of backtracking going through all these scary statistics is because.

00:45:39.000 You know, people like you and me kind of know these statistics, but a lot of people don't.

00:45:43.000 And I don't want to scare people, but I want to present the facts and then show how kimchi and all the studies to back it up.

00:45:51.000 Your viewers will leave this and say, Oh my God, like I need to get this now.

00:45:58.000 Okay.

00:45:59.000 I take the product.

00:46:00.000 We'll talk about what that product is.

00:46:02.000 But going back to your comment on the Korean staple diet, did you know that Koreans live six years longer because they are eating kimchi?

00:46:10.000 And we all know about glass skin, right?

00:46:13.000 And how beautiful they are.

00:46:14.000 And it's because of this fermented food.

00:46:18.000 So, you know, there are a lot of things that are going on inside our bodies right now because of these plastics.

00:46:25.000 So, early onset dementia, Alzheimer's disease, mental health issues.

00:46:31.000 Okay.

00:46:31.000 Nine out of 10 prostate cancer tissue samples have microplastics in it.

00:46:37.000 Okay.

00:46:37.000 They cause oxidative stress, they alter our DNA.

00:46:40.000 So, it increases our risk for developing cancer.

00:46:44.000 You know, people with microplastic plaque in their veins and arteries are 4.5 times more likely to die from a heart attack.

00:46:51.000 Okay.

00:46:52.000 So, it's thyroid, hormones, metabolism, obesity, energy levels, bone density, muscle mass.

00:46:59.000 This is what we're dealing with.

00:47:00.000 So, when I share with you what we're solving and how we solve it, you know how scary and how truthful this is, right?

00:47:09.000 So, there's just a rapid rise in plastic production and consumption.

00:47:13.000 It's a profit driven industry.

00:47:15.000 You can't avoid it.

00:47:16.000 Some people say, oh, I don't drink, you know, Output transcript Out of plastic bottles.

00:47:20.000 I don't use plastic containers.

00:47:21.000 I'm not really wearing polyester and blah, blah, blah.

00:47:25.000 But the truth is, they are everywhere and limiting the use of plastic is not enough.

00:47:29.000 It'll never be enough.

00:47:31.000 So we must take active steps, right, to remove these toxins, including pesticides, from the body before it does irreversible damage.

00:47:40.000 And so to get to your point, our first line of defense is your gut microbiome.

00:47:45.000 The gut microbiome is so important for your overall health, right?

00:47:50.000 It's having that balance of good and bad bacteria, and it actually determines the health of your entire body.

00:47:56.000 Noah on our team says, fun fact.

00:47:59.000 Consuming hot beverages from disposable paper cups results in the ingestion of thousands of microplastic particles and associated chemicals.

00:48:07.000 Starbucks paper hot cups, or any, it doesn't have to be Starbucks.

00:48:11.000 It could be any of the ones.

00:48:12.000 I mean, we've got them here at the office, these blank ones.

00:48:15.000 And plastic cold cups can leach thousands of microplastic particles and plasticizer chemicals into beverages.

00:48:22.000 Basically, the long story short is this is like a huge issue in modern living.

00:48:27.000 And that's why we want to call attention to it because.

00:48:30.000 Yeah, scientists found microplastics in nine out of 10 prostate cancer tissue samples.

00:48:36.000 Like, we know something is happening in our modern environment.

00:48:39.000 Blake thinks it's all woo woo science, a lot of it, but you know.

00:48:42.000 But microplastics, it's we know something's changing.

00:48:44.000 We know something's changing in our environment.

00:48:46.000 And whether it's war or it's factories in China or what we're doing here, how we're consuming our food.

00:48:52.000 I mean, they used to deliver milk to your front door in glass bottles and then they would pick them up.

00:48:57.000 We don't do that kind of stuff.

00:48:58.000 They come in plastic all the time.

00:48:59.000 So I think this is really key.

00:49:01.000 And, by the way, Ellie Hirsch, we're joined, senior health advisor from Brightcore.

00:49:07.000 There's this document that I have here, and I just want to wrap.

00:49:10.000 I know I don't want to do your job for you.

00:49:13.000 I'm sorry, but it's crazy.

00:49:14.000 It's like studies show that eating kimchi every day for 12 weeks can do far more than improve gut health.

00:49:19.000 It can train your immune system to fight smarter.

00:49:22.000 That's from nature.

00:49:23.000 Cancer preventive potential of kimchi lactic acid bacteria.

00:49:27.000 That's from the National Library of Science.

00:49:30.000 Bioactive chemicals in kimchi improve cognitive and memory function.

00:49:34.000 Kimchi linked to enhanced immune function, improved gut, like it's kimchi reduces body fat by 31.8% in preclinical study.

00:49:44.000 That's from Science and Tech Daily.

00:49:45.000 Anti aging effects of kimchi.

00:49:47.000 Like, so, so, I want to, so, I, what I've, I guess a natural question to ask is what can you get from what we're talking about here that you can't just get by going to the store and buy, or just going, going to H Mart down the street here in Phoenix and buying a case of kimchi, which probably does come in a class plastic container.

00:50:05.000 I'll be really honest.

00:50:06.000 So, after I talked with these guys, sorry.

00:50:08.000 You're going to your next day, I promise.

00:50:10.000 I tried kimchi and I can't eat it.

00:50:13.000 I do not like the taste of it.

00:50:14.000 What's wrong with you?

00:50:15.000 I cannot eat it.

00:50:17.000 It gives me the gag reflex.

00:50:20.000 Sorry.

00:50:20.000 A lot of people don't love it or like it because it's not a staple in the American diet, right?

00:50:26.000 But you can go into the supermarket and buy it.

00:50:28.000 You're going to get a lot of salt intake and you'd have to eat quite a bit to get out of it what you can really get out of it.

00:50:36.000 And you've talked about a bunch of studies.

00:50:39.000 And I think what's important to point out is that.

00:50:41.000 Kimchi can actually eliminate and extract microplastics from the body.

00:50:47.000 That's what I want people to get out of this.

00:50:49.000 Studies have proven it, researchers have proven it.

00:50:53.000 And, you know, there are certain strains that it has.

00:50:56.000 You know, we talked about it has 900 unique strains of bacteria.

00:51:00.000 Sourcroud only has, I think, what, 18 or something?

00:51:03.000 So it is huge, right?

00:51:05.000 And, you know, another strain, Bacillus pumilis, right?

00:51:08.000 It degrades BPA, which is the most toxic chemical.

00:51:12.000 In plastics, and the reason it's effective, you know, Andrew is because of the direct impact on the gut microbiome, it's antiviral, antifungal, antiparasitic, antibacterial, and that's why there are so many health benefits, and that's why we have created this amazing product.

00:51:31.000 Um, and we know it works.

00:51:33.000 Uh, kimchi one is a daily capsule that we've created, and whether you like the taste or not, you can't eat it every day, right?

00:51:43.000 But now you can.

00:51:44.000 It's, we use a cold process drying method.

00:51:47.000 It retains all the fiber, all the nutrition, low in sodium, like the store bought, 100% made in the US, all natural, non GMO.

00:51:56.000 And I know it works because AI takes it.

00:51:59.000 And B, the success stories from our customers, and we love talking to our customers.

00:52:03.000 Digestion, regularity, no longer a problem.

00:52:06.000 Immune system, right?

00:52:07.000 70 to 80% of our immune system is housed in our gut.

00:52:10.000 They're not sick anymore.

00:52:11.000 Diabetes, sugar levels, high cholesterol.

00:52:14.000 They're no longer taking antibiotics.

00:52:17.000 So that's why we created this.

00:52:19.000 Yeah.

00:52:19.000 And we'll flash the graphic in just a second.

00:52:22.000 Because so I just want to reiterate I am like the hardest seller on this stuff.

00:52:26.000 But I read this article, I think it was from The Atlantic.

00:52:29.000 My mom sent it to me.

00:52:30.000 A few years ago, and it came up in this whole conversation with Brightcore.

00:52:34.000 So, the premise was why your dad could eat a Big Mac in the 80s and not gain any weight, and why you now in 2020, when the article was written, can't.

00:52:46.000 And the whole point was your microbiome, like your gut health.

00:52:49.000 So, your dad had better gut health than you because of the quality of the food, like our food quality is deteriorated and all this stuff.

00:52:55.000 So, you just have a crappy gut.

00:52:57.000 And this is why a lot of people gain weight when they eat the same things your dad did back in or the food quality.

00:53:02.000 So, I was really fascinated by.

00:53:05.000 Buy this because I think, I think, and I have a doctor that's like really into gut health.

00:53:09.000 He thinks it's like the root of all health, basically, in your body.

00:53:12.000 It is.

00:53:13.000 So, if you got all these plastics, your food sucks, we can't, nobody can police it all the time because we have to, we're on the road, we have to eat what we eat.

00:53:22.000 And, you know, you can't, you know, it's just not as good for you as it was in the 80s and 70s or whatever.

00:53:27.000 We should address that as part of Maha is addressing the food quality and the plastics in our food and all this stuff.

00:53:32.000 But if you can't get to it, it's like you can't fix it all, then you need something to like, Supplement this and take care of it.

00:53:39.000 So I think it's phenomenal.

00:53:40.000 By the way, Kathleen, who's on our team, she was taking this and she was like, her body's reaction to this was immediate.

00:53:48.000 Like, you know how some supplements you take them and you.

00:53:50.000 As in the next day or like the next minute?

00:53:53.000 No, no, like the next day or two.

00:53:55.000 But it was, but you know how like sometimes you're like, I think it's working.

00:53:58.000 This is not one of the best.

00:53:59.000 I'm not sure if it's working.

00:54:00.000 This works, Andrew.

00:54:02.000 I'm telling you, I take it myself.

00:54:04.000 And I have to be honest with you, I am turning 50 in two months and I truly believe.

00:54:10.000 The health on the inside is reflected on the outside.

00:54:13.000 And it's things like Kimchi One and other things that, you know, collagen supplements that they offer at Brightcore.

00:54:21.000 It's just unbelievable.

00:54:22.000 And they work, the proof is in the pudding.

00:54:24.000 All right.

00:54:25.000 So let's throw this up, Ellie.

00:54:28.000 The graphic.

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00:54:44.000 So that's awesome.

00:54:45.000 But you know what?

00:54:46.000 I'm actually like legitimately a believer in this stuff.

00:54:48.000 Okay.

00:54:48.000 What was that?

00:54:49.000 Oh, yeah, for sure.

00:54:50.000 I was going to say that, you know, you can go online and get your 25% off, which is great.

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00:55:36.000 Awesome.

00:55:37.000 Ellie Hirsch, Senior Health Advisor.

00:55:39.000 It's great stuff.

00:55:40.000 Legitimately, I think it's really important stuff, actually.

00:55:44.000 So that's why we wanted to do this.

00:55:45.000 Thank you for making the time.

00:55:47.000 We appreciate it so much.

00:55:48.000 Sure.

00:55:48.000 Thanks for having me.

00:55:49.000 Hi, folks.

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00:56:50.000 Selena Zita, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:56:53.000 It's so good to have you.

00:56:54.000 You have a new piece in the Washington Examiner talking about this surge of faith among Gen Z.

00:57:01.000 And I thought, with all this heavy news from this Daily Mail headline about, you know, with Charlie's story, The other part of Charlie's story that we cannot lose touch with, we can't lose sight of, is that it birthed this revival that we've seen with young people.

00:57:17.000 And I think the question a lot of us had was, did it stop?

00:57:22.000 And your reporting is basically, no, it hasn't.

00:57:25.000 It's continuing to go.

00:57:27.000 Please tell us about it.

00:57:28.000 No, it hasn't.

00:57:29.000 It hasn't at all.

00:57:31.000 And I've written about this several times.

00:57:33.000 This isn't the first time I've written about it.

00:57:35.000 I began with it, I noticed it.

00:57:39.000 First of all, my own parish, I'm Catholic.

00:57:42.000 The week after, the Sunday after Charlie was killed, my church was jam-packed.

00:57:49.000 And that hasn't stopped.

00:57:51.000 Now, at that point, you could still get a pew seat.

00:57:55.000 Well, not anymore.

00:57:56.000 You have to, I'm always notoriously just running into Mass when the bells are ringing.

00:58:04.000 And I'm almost always standing.

00:58:07.000 But it's also happening among evangelical Christians, as much as Catholics.

00:58:12.000 Uh I.

00:58:13.000 The day after no, the day Charlie was shot um, these young people gathered at this, at this um church in the city of Pittsburgh and kind of a dodgy neighborhood, and they came by the busload of public transportation.

00:58:29.000 They walked from colleges all around Pittsburgh there's eight.

00:58:32.000 There's eight colleges in Pittsburgh and they needed to feel something right.

00:58:37.000 They needed to be part of something bigger than self, that some, he is someone, that who motivate them, motivated them.

00:58:43.000 I talked to a lot of these young people in the lead up to the 2020 And they talked about how Charlie brought them to understanding why that election was so important and why their voice was so important and their belief in God was so important.

00:59:02.000 And so that happened the first day after Charlie was killed.

00:59:07.000 Happened again the following Sunday.

00:59:08.000 Continued to happen so much that the football team at the University of Pittsburgh, led by the captain of the football team, Who bought Jake Overton, who by the way is going to be in the draft in Pittsburgh in a couple of weeks.

00:59:23.000 And he led this thing called Pitt Purpose.

00:59:27.000 And they showed up at the Cathedral of Learning at the University of Pittsburgh, if anyone's familiar with it.

00:59:32.000 It's a beautiful structure.

00:59:34.000 And there were about 600 kids there, and there were about 100 baptisms.

00:59:39.000 And the movement continued to grow.

00:59:43.000 And it led to what happened last Thursday.

00:59:45.000 I think it was Thursday, Wednesday or Thursday, I can't remember.

00:59:49.000 There were 5,000 kids that filled the Peterson Event Center.

00:59:54.000 And it wasn't just kids.

00:59:56.000 It was families.

00:59:57.000 There were people of all ages, but it was.

00:59:59.000 you know, predominantly youth driven, college students, but also young families, right, with young kids.

01:00:06.000 And there were over, I forget how many hundreds of baptisms done in pickup trucks, which was my favorite part.

01:00:16.000 But it was just, it's not something that's going away.

01:00:20.000 And it's really interesting to me to watch my profession not understand how to cover it, right?

01:00:27.000 They don't understand how to grasp this growth and this movement.

01:00:32.000 But it's not just in Protestant evangelical churches.

01:00:38.000 It's in the Catholic Church.

01:00:39.000 My diocese alone, there will be 200 people baptized this week during Holy Week.

01:00:45.000 And that is significant.

01:00:47.000 Well, so I want everybody to just grasp what you said the contrast.

01:00:51.000 So the week Charlie's killed, you had 500, 600 people, about 100 baptisms.

01:00:57.000 Just last Wednesday or Thursday, this event center had 5,000, 6,000 young people.

01:01:04.000 And hundreds of baptisms, getting baptized in pickup trucks.

01:01:07.000 And I just hope people are grasping this.

01:01:11.000 And I've said this to so many people that it felt bad for me with some of the conspiracy stuff or whatever we're going through, just losing Charlie, which, yeah, I get it and it's awful.

01:01:22.000 But what I always say to them is what God has unleashed, man cannot stop.

01:01:28.000 And if God's ultimate purpose here is to unleash a tidal wave of young people coming into faith in Jesus Christ, Then so be it.

01:01:37.000 I will suffer every single day.

01:01:39.000 Charlie suffered greater than any of us.

01:01:41.000 I will walk through this day in and day out, taking the punches as they come.

01:01:45.000 The Daily Mail was just the latest because what God is doing, He is doing a work in this country and He's doing it in Gen Z. He's doing it with young families and it's so awesome.

01:01:55.000 And I like when I saw this story, you know, you can attest as soon as you said this to me, I was like, you need to come on today and like, we need to talk about this.

01:02:04.000 Yeah, we see a lot of young families too, not just Gen Z.

01:02:08.000 We see You know, I see a lot of millennials there with multiple children, three, four, five kids in the pew.

01:02:17.000 And the priest every Sunday, it never fails.

01:02:20.000 We have a younger priest in my parish, Soul Country Church, but he always says, don't anybody be offended by the sound of the noise of children because there goes our future.

01:02:33.000 This is our future.

01:02:34.000 We need to welcome these children and these families.

01:02:37.000 And we need to welcome them into our hearts and show patience.

01:02:44.000 And that's a beautiful thing because a lot of parents, when their kids are young, I remember it's not fun to always go to mass every Sunday because you don't know what the two year old's going to do, right?

01:03:01.000 But it's across denominations.

01:03:02.000 And I think that's really, really important.

01:03:05.000 Well, and you included this in your piece, Selena.

01:03:08.000 You said Ryan Berg, the research director at My Faith Counts, a nonprofit, non denominational organization.

01:03:16.000 Noted that new data showed that the share of Americans who are non religious has dropped for the third straight year in a row, with atheists and agnostics down to 5% each.

01:03:29.000 So, I mean, this is an amazing trend that started, frankly, when Charlie was still with us.

01:03:35.000 And I think his assassination lit that spark and poured fuel on the fire.

01:03:40.000 And I was just so encouraged because I think it is the answer to the question a lot of us have is it still going?

01:03:47.000 Is it still building?

01:03:49.000 And this is such an important data set that you've presented, and anecdotes and stories of how this movement of God is still growing in the country.

01:03:57.000 Blake, you're Catholic, so I.

01:03:58.000 I want to make sure I make some good comments.

01:03:59.000 Well, it's, I mean, it's, you know, the New York Times, they call 12 dioceses.

01:04:03.000 All of them have more catechumens than they had the year before.

01:04:06.000 I know I heard about this from my parents.

01:04:08.000 I think there were 50 people in the RCIA class in Sioux Falls.

01:04:11.000 That's not a huge city.

01:04:13.000 And you see all these anecdotes.

01:04:15.000 And I know there's some pushback.

01:04:16.000 I think even Burge has pushed back on that, where he says, if you look at big surveys, they don't show a big surge.

01:04:22.000 If anything, they do show either flatline or the decline is still ongoing.

01:04:26.000 And so I'd actually like to touch into that.

01:04:28.000 What could be going on where maybe we are seeing a general.

01:04:32.000 Like, we might be seeing the kernel of a big revival where people who are really on the ball, people who have high agency, they're embracing faith.

01:04:40.000 And what we're seeing is something that will really explode in the months, in the years, in the decades to come.

01:04:47.000 Interesting.

01:04:47.000 And I think that'd be an interesting thing to talk about.

01:04:49.000 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

01:04:51.000 You know, a lot of here's the thing about data and people responding to it, they don't always respond to it truthfully.

01:05:03.000 or they always look at data sometimes with skepticism.

01:05:11.000 We've seen that in polling with politics.

01:05:13.000 I don't think religion is much different, right?

01:05:17.000 And so what you see is the contrast what Ryan is talking about, where it seems as though there's a decline.

01:05:27.000 But then you see 200 baptisms in a Western Pennsylvania, not even in Pittsburgh, it's outside of Pittsburgh, it's in the rural country part.

01:05:37.000 Right.

01:05:37.000 And you see that growth and it tells you they might not tell a statistician about their faith.

01:05:45.000 Sometimes people think faith is something very private.

01:05:49.000 But they're still getting there.

01:05:50.000 They're coming.

01:05:51.000 They're getting baptized.

01:05:52.000 You know, I saw it at the Peterson Event Center.

01:05:56.000 Pastor Howard is amazing.

01:05:58.000 I saw it.

01:05:59.000 I see it in my own parish every week.

01:06:02.000 We didn't have these kinds of numbers last year at this time.

01:06:05.000 You could sit anywhere you wanted in a pew.

01:06:08.000 Now, you squeeze into the choir loft or you stand on the sides.

01:06:17.000 But there is anecdotal evidence, a lot of it.

01:06:21.000 I do think it's showing up in some data as well.

01:06:23.000 Let's go ahead and play Kaylee McEnany.

01:06:25.000 She's touching on this in February, SOT 16.

01:06:28.000 Of the day, a surprising revival in religion underway right now.

01:06:32.000 For the first time in decades, research suggests that the decline of Christianity in the U.S. has now slowed down and may have actually leveled off.

01:06:39.000 And the return to religion is trending among Gen Z men and those with higher education.

01:06:44.000 Now, the reason, according to a new report from Chapman University's Center for Demographics and Policy, is this Many young men report feeling culturally dislocated or villainized by progressive secular discourse regarding masculinity.

01:06:57.000 Traditional forms of Christianity, particularly Catholicism and Orthodoxy, offer a narrative of responsibility, sacrifice, and hierarchy that appeals to men seeking a defined role in a fluid world.

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01:08:24.000 Okay, we got to get to this Jaden Ivy story because it's all over social media.

01:08:28.000 So Jaden Ivy is a.

01:08:30.000 Jaden.

01:08:32.000 Okay, we got a letter, Ms. Transposed here.

01:08:35.000 So, Jaden Ivey was a player with the Chicago Bulls.

01:08:39.000 He has been waived, meaning released from the team, because of his Christian faith and his stance, specifically criticizing the LGBTQ Pride Month that the NBA celebrates.

01:08:51.000 So, let's get him in his own words and talk about it.

01:08:55.000 Sot 7.

01:08:56.000 All I'm preaching is about Jesus Christ, and they wave me.

01:09:00.000 They say, I'm crazy, right?

01:09:01.000 I'm psycho.

01:09:03.000 That don't That don't add up, man.

01:09:06.000 That's not adding up, right?

01:09:08.000 God let these happen.

01:09:11.000 God let these things happen for a reason.

01:09:12.000 May his will be done.

01:09:15.000 May his will be done.

01:09:16.000 Not my will.

01:09:18.000 My will is done.

01:09:20.000 When I came into the league, all I wanted to do was win championships and get millions of bucks until the Lord showed me.

01:09:28.000 What good is it to gain the world?

01:09:29.000 You're a forfeiture soul.

01:09:32.000 What good is it to not follow the Lord?

01:09:35.000 To not obey his commandments?

01:09:39.000 Pretty strong stuff.

01:09:40.000 So, Selena, obviously, this is the big news story today.

01:09:44.000 It seems, though, in the NBA, you could do just about every other terrible thing imaginable gun charges, murder charges, drug charges, and you get left back on the team.

01:09:55.000 But criticizing the LGBTQ IA, whatever Pride Month is against the rules.

01:10:02.000 Your take.

01:10:02.000 Oh, you know, this is part of the problem that people have with our cultural curators, right?

01:10:09.000 People in corporations, institutions. and national sports organizations is that there's two different rules.

01:10:19.000 One is you can abstain from standing for the national anthem, right?

01:10:28.000 But you can't, and that's okay, right?

01:10:31.000 And you can have some pretty strong, nasty things to say about people that are conservative or have faith.

01:10:40.000 But if you profess something about your faith and you are a Christian, you're suspended, you are a non, you're not wanted, you're not allowed to be part of this, we can't see this.

01:10:53.000 Because these institutions do not know how to process faith, they don't understand people that have faith, and therefore they need to shun them as opposed to being welcoming.

01:11:06.000 I think one of the things that's really important about diversity, right, cultural curators always talk about diversity, but they don't really talk about cultural diversity.

01:11:17.000 Right?

01:11:17.000 They don't really talk about people of faith.

01:11:20.000 They're people that sit in a pew every Sunday, people that say a rosary, right?

01:11:25.000 They aren't allowed to be part of their institution.

01:11:30.000 Well, and they're calling him crazy.

01:11:32.000 That's the thing.

01:11:32.000 I mean, he's definitely radical about his faith.

01:11:34.000 Yeah, but yeah, I find this.

01:11:37.000 I mean, maybe he is.

01:11:38.000 I don't know if he's got a screw.

01:11:39.000 I don't see that.

01:11:40.000 I think he's, from what I can tell from the video, he's preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ unashamed.

01:11:46.000 Blake?

01:11:46.000 Yeah.

01:11:46.000 I mean, so it looks to me, and it's like.

01:11:49.000 I just think of all the players they have in the NBA, and if you followed it even mildly, I'm not known for being a big basketball fan, but there's NBA players getting in trouble for actually objectively bad stuff.

01:12:00.000 Oh, yeah.

01:12:01.000 So Littrell Spruill, I believe, strangled his coach.

01:12:03.000 He got suspended, but came back.

01:12:05.000 Ron Artes, assaulted a fan in the stands, got suspended, but came back, had a long career.

01:12:11.000 Jason Kidd, domestic violence, I believe, pleaded guilty to, had a DUI.

01:12:16.000 He's been an NBA legend.

01:12:17.000 He's been around forever.

01:12:18.000 And I'm not even saying like Jason Kidd needs to be banished from the league.

01:12:22.000 But if you're going to banish a guy for making an Instagram where he doesn't like Pride Month, I think it would make sense to have standards on those sorts of things.

01:12:32.000 Right.

01:12:33.000 You know, and it's really. an odd line for them to draw because we see so much with our athletes that an expression of faith in this country.

01:12:46.000 I don't know if you guys saw this last year, no, the end of the beginning of the year when the Pittsburgh Steelers were in the playoffs and they have a priest that comes and blesses the field every week, right?

01:13:04.000 And it's a very Catholic organization.

01:13:07.000 The new coach today said about faith.

01:13:09.000 I got to read this quote to you because it's awesome.

01:13:12.000 Mike McCarthy said, I am aware of, he said, this is a Catholic operation.

01:13:17.000 You say three Hail Marys and everybody has a clean slate and let's go to work.

01:13:22.000 Right.

01:13:22.000 So there's a lot of organizations that embrace faith.

01:13:26.000 So I'm not quite sure what's going on with the NBA.

01:13:31.000 I'm not an NBA fan.

01:13:32.000 I haven't watched them since Michael Jordan.

01:13:36.000 So, you know, I don't know what's going on there.

01:13:39.000 No, I mean, it's very welcoming.

01:13:42.000 It's wild.

01:13:44.000 Our team comprised a list of all the different substance abuses, gun charges, drug related felonies, domestic abuse, domestic violence, assault cases.

01:13:57.000 I think it's really wild.

01:13:59.000 And we shouldn't forget this is the league that has most prostrated itself before China, for example, where they've just overtly fired people because they've said things critical of the Chinese government.

01:14:11.000 A foreign authoritarian regime in rivalry with the United States.

01:14:15.000 I think the NBA.

01:14:17.000 Leaned hardest into 2020, into woke stuff.

01:14:20.000 I think, I just think it's the most aggravating league.

01:14:24.000 It's the most off putting one.

01:14:25.000 It's the one most hostile to Americans, which is why people shouldn't watch pro basketball.

01:14:31.000 That's my pitch to everyone.

01:14:32.000 I'm not a big basketball fan.

01:14:34.000 Yeah.

01:14:34.000 And I guess there's clips have surfaced amid this controversy of this LGBTQ stuff with Ivy.

01:14:44.000 Some people have clipped it and shared them, these clips, as though he was admitting to being an abuser, some sort of.

01:14:51.000 Thing and the context from the clip he frames it as emotional verbal patterns tied to his own trauma and anger in his heart, not as repeated physical beatings or something like that.

01:15:01.000 No criminal record for domestic violence appears in any reporting.

01:15:05.000 He has a wife and kids and speaks positively about her.

01:15:08.000 It's so clearly mild, it's a guy doing faith testimony, and so you know it's almost certainly like vastly more mild than all this criminal stuff that passes.

01:15:16.000 Raised his voice to her, yeah.

01:15:17.000 And by the way, he's also said, like, the old Jaden Ivy is gone.

01:15:21.000 I'm a new creation in Christ.

01:15:22.000 You know, he's like very proud about the fact that.

01:15:25.000 He has been transformed.

01:15:26.000 And I just say to the NBA if there is a team out there willing to bring this guy on, just enjoy and reap the benefits of all the jersey sales.

01:15:36.000 I'm told the Bulls have already sold out his jersey like something crazy 20,000 jersey sales overnight.

01:15:42.000 I kind of, it's frustrating because they're getting rewarded for the jersey sales, but like take a chance on this guy and bring him in because I just have a feeling like you'll probably be blessed.

01:15:52.000 Selena Zito, God bless you.

01:15:54.000 Thank you for this story of the.

01:15:56.000 Faith revival that is continuing to grow and spread behind the headlines.

01:16:00.000 Thank you for making a Headline about it.

01:16:02.000 It's great to see you.

01:16:03.000 Nice to see you guys.

01:16:04.000 Have a great day.

01:16:05.000 You too.

01:16:10.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - March 31, 2026

How One Awful Headline Fueled Countless Conspiracies In the Tyler Robinson Case

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