The Charlie Kirk Show - How Our Elites Destroyed Ukraine + Winning the AI Race ft. David Sacks

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00:00:00.000 David Sachs, an amazing man, the AI crypto czar for the White House, joins the program to talk about Ukraine, artificial intelligence, and more.

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00:01:24.000 We have one of my favorite people on the program.

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00:01:31.000 It's David Sachs.

00:01:33.000 David, welcome to the program.

00:01:35.000 Always an honor.

00:01:37.000 David is the AI crypto czar, so we're definitely going to talk about that.

00:01:43.000 But first, David, as much as you're able to speak or willing to speak about the developments regarding Ukraine, President Trump, Russia, make sense of what's happening here.

00:01:53.000 Well, I think that there's been huge developments on Ukraine.

00:01:56.000 I mean, the president has said from the outset, I mean, during his campaign, that he wanted to bring this war to an end, Charlie, and I think that he's in the process of doing that.

00:02:05.000 For the first time in, I think, at least three years since the war began, we had a conversation between an American president and the Russian president.

00:02:15.000 I mean, that's the first step in getting to some sort of peace agreement is to actually talk to the other side.

00:02:21.000 You then had conversations between the delegations from the U.S. and from Russia in Saudi Arabia, and they seem to have made substantial progress.

00:02:31.000 And I would say that most of all, the thing that I think has been the biggest breakthrough is just that finally this administration has been willing to tell the truth about how this war started.

00:02:44.000 Because you need to understand that in order to bring it to an end.

00:02:48.000 And what Secretary of Defense Hegs has said and what Stephen Wyckoff has said is that it was NATO expansion that the Russians saw as a provocation.

00:03:00.000 And it was the United States' desire under Joe Biden, their insistence that they had to bring Ukraine into NATO, that was seen as incredibly threatening by the Russians, just the same way that we saw.

00:03:14.000 Soviet influence in Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis is incredibly threatening.

00:03:18.000 And the United States back in, was it 1962, was willing to go to war to keep the Soviets out of Cuba.

00:03:27.000 And in a similar way, the Russians, they telegraphed in advance that this was a red line for them for decades.

00:03:33.000 And they said they'd be willing to go to war to prevent Ukraine from becoming a member of NATO. And yet the Biden administration insisted.

00:03:41.000 I'm trying to bring this about.

00:03:42.000 You know, it was widely underreported, but in the first month of this war that started three years ago, that's cost so many lives, there was a deal that was signed, a draft deal that was signed in Istanbul to end the war.

00:03:58.000 And all it really required was for Ukraine to agree to be a neutral country.

00:04:02.000 And if they had been willing to do that, the war would have ended, there would have been no destruction, and Ukraine would have kept its territories in the eastern part of the country.

00:04:11.000 And it was the Biden administration that basically sabotaged that deal.

00:04:15.000 And that's why the war has now raged on for three years.

00:04:18.000 I'd say upwards of a million people have died.

00:04:21.000 The country's never going to be the same.

00:04:23.000 And the craziest part of the whole thing is that...

00:04:27.000 The Biden administration itself, and Jens Stoltenberg, who was the head of NATO, said at the very end of the Biden administration that Ukraine could not join NATO, would not be joining NATO, because it was unable to win this war.

00:04:41.000 So this whole conflict was over nothing.

00:04:44.000 We could have just agreed to the thing that everyone understands now, which is Ukraine is not going to be part of NATO, and this whole thing could have been avoided.

00:04:56.000 Let's say that if your cause is wearing the Ukrainian pin, which I find to be repulsive and ridiculous, let's say that is you, and you're a lawmaker on Capitol Hill. 1.00

00:05:05.000 Ironically, if they would have accepted the early peace deal, it would have been far better for the cause of Ukraine's independence, sovereignty, geography that it controls, and lives lost. 0.81

00:05:17.000 Speak about, David, how early on there was a peace deal on the table.

00:05:21.000 Istanbul, Turkey, I know you mentioned this.

00:05:23.000 Tony Blinken, Boris Johnson, that if you're one of those virtue signallers that wears the Ukrainian flag pin, even for what they want, that would have been a better deal for everybody involved.

00:05:34.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:05:34.000 And this is where I think that we cannot concede the moral aspect of this argument.

00:05:40.000 Those of us who have wanted the United States to avoid getting deeply involved in this war, they call us pro-Russian or anti-Ukrainian.

00:05:49.000 But what we're suggesting...

00:05:51.000 Would have been the most pro-Ukrainian policy.

00:05:54.000 Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian lives would have been saved.

00:05:59.000 Their country wouldn't have been destroyed.

00:06:01.000 They would have held on to all those territories in the east.

00:06:04.000 It would have been better.

00:06:05.000 Something like 10 million women and children have also fled the country.

00:06:08.000 They're never coming back.

00:06:10.000 This country is never going to be the same.

00:06:13.000 And it all could have been avoided if they had just agreed to that Istanbul deal.

00:06:18.000 Was a better deal than anything they're going to get now because they have lost the war.

00:06:22.000 And why did that deal not happen?

00:06:24.000 Because Boris Johnson flew into Kiev and said, we want to challenge Putin, not make a deal with him.

00:06:30.000 Alexei Aristovic, who at the time was a member of the Ukrainian peace delegation, who was there in Istanbul.

00:06:38.000 They signed a draft of the deal.

00:06:40.000 He said the Ukrainian delegation was popping champagne.

00:06:44.000 They were so happy because the war was over.

00:06:46.000 And then it was the Western leaders who came in and said, you can't do this deal because it doesn't fit with our interests.

00:06:54.000 And what we want to do is challenge Putin.

00:06:56.000 People like Boris Johnson and Victoria Nuland, they had a delusion.

00:07:01.000 That this war could be used to weaken Russia and then ultimately cause a regime change in Moscow.

00:07:07.000 Remember when President Biden said that this man cannot stay in power?

00:07:12.000 That was their unofficial policy, as they actually thought they would bring Russia to its knees.

00:07:16.000 They thought that sanctions would crush Russia's economy.

00:07:19.000 They thought that we could use the Ukrainian military to destroy the Russian military.

00:07:24.000 And all these things would basically finally bring the hated Putin to his knees, and we'd have a palace coup in Moscow.

00:07:31.000 And they would get this big regime change.

00:07:33.000 And it never happened.

00:07:35.000 No part of that happened.

00:07:36.000 Instead, what happened is that Ukraine got completely destroyed.

00:07:39.000 And now it's on its last legs.

00:07:42.000 And I think that, look, we could just allow what is going to happen here to take...

00:07:48.000 I mean, if President Trump did nothing, then what's going to happen is that eventually Ukrainian lines are going to collapse under severe pressure and the Russians will just take more of the country. 0.89

00:07:59.000 But I think that President Trump wants to bring this war to an end.

00:08:02.000 He wants the dying to stop.

00:08:03.000 I truly believe it's a humanitarian interest of President Trump because...

00:08:08.000 Because this is not his war.

00:08:10.000 This was Joe Biden's war.

00:08:11.000 It's Victoria Nuland's war.

00:08:13.000 It's Boris Johnson's war.

00:08:14.000 It was their war.

00:08:16.000 But President Trump wants to stop it because he wants the dying to stop.

00:08:19.000 I think that is a wholly salutary and humanitarian thing to do.

00:08:24.000 And of course, what is the reward for that in the mainstream media?

00:08:27.000 They basically deride President Trump.

00:08:29.000 And anyone who speaks on behalf of peace is completely warped.

00:08:33.000 That is so well articulated.

00:08:37.000 David, can you...

00:08:38.000 Just add on really quick.

00:08:39.000 President Trump has called Zelensky a dictator.

00:08:42.000 What is the evidence of that?

00:08:44.000 Look, Charlie, dictator is as dictator does.

00:08:48.000 Zelensky has banned political opposition parties.

00:08:51.000 He has seized the assets of his political opponents, including a former president of Ukraine.

00:08:58.000 He's basically cracked down on churches and priests and nuns.

00:09:04.000 He's cracked down on the media.

00:09:08.000 A journalist in Ukraine, you have to basically get a license from the government and tow the party line.

00:09:13.000 And I would say that the worst part of the whole thing is that there was an American journalist living in Ukraine named Gonzalo Lyra who was arrested trying to flee the country.

00:09:23.000 And there is a chilling tape by Gonzalo Lyra where he posted on social media saying, I'm about to be arrested.

00:09:30.000 If I'm arrested, I will never see the light of day again.

00:09:34.000 Please help me.

00:09:35.000 State Department, please come help me.

00:09:38.000 Just let me go.

00:09:39.000 I just want to leave the country.

00:09:40.000 And the Ukrainians could have let him leave, but they didn't. 0.98

00:09:43.000 They arrested him, and he was tortured in a dungeon, denied medical care, and ultimately died in Russian captivity.

00:09:50.000 To me, that is completely unacceptable.

00:09:52.000 This man was an American citizen.

00:09:55.000 An American citizen.

00:09:56.000 You know, a foreign country, especially one that's a putative ally, should not touch a hair on the head of an American citizen. 0.94

00:10:04.000 Absolutely.

00:10:05.000 But to let that man die in prison after being tortured is completely unacceptable.

00:10:12.000 And as far as I'm concerned, that alone rules out the idea that this is an ally of the United States.

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00:11:21.000 David, we have five minutes here.

00:11:23.000 David, how should we think about the rapid proliferation and the adoption of AI?

00:11:30.000 By what moral premise should we have when it comes to AI?

00:11:33.000 Well, AI is a new technology.

00:11:34.000 I think it's going to be the most important technology of this decade and this era.

00:11:39.000 You can think of it a little bit like the breakthrough we had in the late 90s with the Internet.

00:11:44.000 I think this could be even more profound.

00:11:46.000 And AI is a dual-use technology, meaning it's got both economic applications and military applications.

00:11:54.000 It's a consumer technology.

00:11:56.000 I mean, all of us have now experienced You know, ChatGBT or Grok and programs like that where you can ask it questions and it gives you amazing answers.

00:12:05.000 Soon there'll be agents.

00:12:06.000 But then also it's going to be something that will be widely used in businesses and enterprises.

00:12:11.000 And then again by the government and the military.

00:12:14.000 I think the most important thing for AI is that America win the AI race.

00:12:19.000 China is very competitive.

00:12:21.000 The launch of DeepSeek showed that.

00:12:24.000 And President Trump declared in his week one EO on AI that we have to win the AI race.

00:12:29.000 America has to be the global leader.

00:12:31.000 And in fact, dominance is the word that he used.

00:12:35.000 And I think that if America falls behind to China, then the ramifications of that will be huge.

00:12:41.000 huge.

00:12:42.000 It would jeopardize our economy and it could make us militarily less powerful than China. 0.99

00:12:49.000 And that's not a world we want to live in.

00:12:50.000 So I just think that winning this race is absolutely critical and I'm happy to be working for the president to help make that happen.

00:12:57.000 Yeah, it has some unbelievable upsides.

00:12:59.000 I mean, I use AI all the time, and mostly to be able to analyze data in a very quick, synthesized way.

00:13:05.000 It saves me incredible amounts of time, spreadsheets, emails, long-form data.

00:13:12.000 So, David, what would you have to say to skeptics?

00:13:15.000 That would say AI is going to do nothing but displace people from their jobs and will basically usher in a new unelected technocratic oligarchy. 0.99

00:13:26.000 Well, I think on the first part, there's just been a lot of doomerism in the media, and the media always loves to take the most pessimistic view of things and scare people.

00:13:35.000 I think that there could be some job displacement, but I think the productivity gains will be a lot greater.

00:13:42.000 And this will be a tool that ordinary people can use in their work, especially knowledge workers.

00:13:47.000 And again, incomes rise with productivity.

00:13:50.000 So to the extent that we get productivity tools, it...

00:13:53.000 Basically increases economic growth and makes us wealthier.

00:13:57.000 So I think that the Doomer case here has just been overstated and focused on too much.

00:14:04.000 And I think there's a much more pessimistic way to look at this, which is that this is going to fuel economic growth for the next decade.

00:14:12.000 And by the way, the United States is something like $36 trillion in debt.

00:14:17.000 If we don't have a big economic boom over the next decade, how are we ever going to pay that debt back?

00:14:22.000 I mean, how are we ever going to get out from under this hole?

00:14:24.000 So we need growth.

00:14:25.000 We need productivity.

00:14:26.000 And AI is a tremendous tool for doing that.

00:14:29.000 In terms of this only benefiting...

00:14:34.000 You know, this is not the way that technology has evolved throughout history.

00:14:39.000 What you see is, yes, the people who do invent the technology benefit, but so do all the consumers of it.

00:14:46.000 So do all the businesses that benefit from it downstream.

00:14:49.000 And, again, this is just like the creation of the Internet or the Industrial Revolution or the creation of the tractor or something like that.

00:14:59.000 There are going to be benefits that are felt throughout the economy, and I do think it's going to ultimately raise the standard of living for all Americans.

00:15:06.000 Let's play cut 70 really quick.

00:15:08.000 Let's play cut 70, please.

00:15:09.000 This administration wants to be very clear about one last point.

00:15:12.000 We will always center American workers in our AI policy. 0.82

00:15:16.000 We refuse to view AI as a purely disruptive technology that will inevitably automate away our labor force.

00:15:24.000 We believe and we will fight for policies that ensure that AI is going to make our workers more productive.

00:15:31.000 And we expect that they will reap the rewards with higher wages, better benefits, and safer and more prosperous communities.

00:15:40.000 Final thoughts, one minute, David Sachs.

00:15:42.000 I completely agree with that.

00:15:44.000 And let me just ask the question, you know, these products have now been on the market for over two years, and we're seeing a rapid evolution in how good they are.

00:15:52.000 We see one company leapfrogging in the next, and then the next product comes out.

00:15:55.000 But let me ask you a question.

00:15:56.000 Has one person lost their job because of AI today?

00:16:00.000 I don't think so.

00:16:01.000 They've made everyone a little bit more productive.

00:16:03.000 It's just a phenomenal tool that we can all use.

00:16:06.000 In our jobs to do research, to get answers, it's like a better search engine to write research papers, to fact check things.

00:16:14.000 I mean, real fact checking, not the fake kind.

00:16:17.000 And so I just think this is a tool that's going to make all of us better.

00:16:21.000 And again, there's just no evidence whatsoever yet of this causing job loss.

00:16:25.000 And I do agree with what the vice president said there, that fundamentally...

00:16:31.000 In our values, we are pro-worker.

00:16:33.000 And if there is some sort of downside to this, we will adjust.

00:16:37.000 We will make sure that this technology benefits workers.

00:16:41.000 We will center workers.

00:16:43.000 It could be the next big moment of human flourishing, if properly adapted and adopted, I should say.

00:16:49.000 David, thank you so much.

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00:17:58.000 There's a major fight going on right now.

00:18:00.000 And it looks like it's heading in the right direction.

00:18:02.000 Looks like we have the momentum.

00:18:04.000 But last week, it was hanging in suspense.

00:18:07.000 It's who is going to be the third most powerful person at the Department of Defense.

00:18:13.000 The nominee is a great American patriot.

00:18:16.000 His name is Elbridge Colby.

00:18:18.000 We did an entire segment on this last week.

00:18:20.000 The individual who has been stalling or asking questions was Senator Tom Cotton.

00:18:27.000 Now Senator Cotton.

00:18:28.000 As we've said on this program, it's great on immigration, great on crime. 1.00

00:18:32.000 We're on different planets when it comes to foreign policy.

00:18:35.000 However, Senator Cotton has been pushing back against Elbridge Colby.

00:18:39.000 It looks like that is being reconciled, and they're having a meeting.

00:18:42.000 Well, joining us now is Daniel McCarthy, editor of ModernAgeJournal.com and a contributing writer of Compaq magazine.

00:18:49.000 He wrote an entire piece, Why Elbridge Colby Matters.

00:18:54.000 Welcome to the program, Daniel.

00:18:56.000 Tell us about Elbridge Colby and why he matters.

00:18:59.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:18:59.000 I'm delighted to be on.

00:19:00.000 Elbridge Colby is one of the few people in sort of advanced and elite Washington, D.C. circles who has actually been a friend of the Donald Trump program from the very beginning, especially in foreign policy.

00:19:12.000 And he's someone who's seen as a threat.

00:19:14.000 by a lot of other insiders in Washington, by those who want to see America kind of return to the unsuccessful foreign policy of Joe Biden and Barack Obama and indeed George W. Bush.

00:19:24.000 So Bridge Colby is someone who can sort of act as an intellectual axle to bring together these, you know, sort of different components of the machine to advance President Trump's foreign policy and America First foreign policy.

00:19:40.000 And there are people who want to prevent that from happening.

00:19:42.000 They want to throw spanners in the works, basically, and prevent Colby from being nominated to the number three slot in the Pentagon.

00:19:48.000 And they want to, you know, fill the Trump administration to the extent they can with neoconservatives and people who are going to be trying to foil Donald Trump's plans.

00:19:57.000 And unfortunately, Senator Tom Cotton has gone along with this to some degree.

00:20:01.000 And I have to credit you, Charlie, for being the first person to speak out on X and basically call out Senator Cotton for doing the bidding of people like Bill Kristol.

00:20:09.000 Yeah, I didn't win any friends there with Senator Cotton's office, but it was necessary.

00:20:14.000 And I think I was polite because it was true.

00:20:17.000 And just to be perfectly candid...

00:20:21.000 The first objection I got is, oh, no, no, Senator Cotton is not delaying it.

00:20:24.000 And then, of course, it came out that he was delaying it.

00:20:27.000 What exactly does the job that Elbridge Colby will hopefully assume do?

00:20:33.000 And can you just take some time here educating the audience?

00:20:36.000 They think, okay, just Pete Hegseth, he runs the whole thing.

00:20:38.000 This is a massive organization where the power goes into 40 or 50 other buckets that are essential.

00:20:46.000 What would Elbridge Colby be tasked with doing?

00:20:49.000 Well, he would be the Undersecretary for Policy, which, as the name suggests, is responsible for a lot of the formulation of exactly how America, how our defense apparatus is going to approach other nations around the world.

00:21:01.000 It's a very important strategic role.

00:21:03.000 And so you can see why there's a great deal of scrutiny being applied to Bridge Colby.

00:21:07.000 And, you know, you can also see why people who don't like the president's agenda and don't like what Bridge Colby represents, why they think that if they can sabotage this, they'll actually score a lot of points and be able to...

00:21:18.000 To really cripple what Donald Trump's trying to do in reorienting American foreign policy towards America's national interests.

00:21:25.000 So it's a critical policymaking, grand strategy kind of position.

00:21:30.000 And Bridge Colby's exactly the right person for it.

00:21:32.000 And there's an awful lot of pressure, however, being brought to bear sort of behind the scenes.

00:21:36.000 There's this whispering campaign against him, putting out all sorts of just nasty rumors because there's no honest case to be made against this gentleman.

00:21:44.000 He really is someone who comes from a patriotic family.

00:21:46.000 He's someone who has, you know, against sort of withstood all the pressures to conform within Washington.

00:21:52.000 And now, you know, the question is, will this whispering campaign now being led perhaps by Senator Cotton succeed in derailing this gentleman who would be a true asset to President Trump's agenda?

00:22:04.000 And so more broadly, what do you make of the momentum behind The foreign policy view of this administration.

00:22:14.000 It is uniquely different than even Trump won and totally different than Republican Inc.

00:22:20.000 Speak to that.

00:22:21.000 Yeah, you know, the difference between Trump 1 and today is that Trump 1 had so many of these disloyal staffers who were able to restrain the president and keep his foreign policy from going in the direction where he wanted to take it.

00:22:33.000 President Trump really does have, first of all, an America first view, yes, but also an America's first view.

00:22:38.000 He sees the strategic importance of our own hemisphere as being paramount, which is why Secretary Rubio, you know, spent his first trip going to the Caribbean and to Central America.

00:22:47.000 It's why we've been talking about Greenland so much.

00:22:50.000 We have to defend our own hemisphere, keep the influence of people like China from reaching into our own backyard. 1.00

00:22:56.000 When it comes to Europe, what's absolutely essential for Europe's own defense is that the Europeans themselves be the primary providers, that they be fully invested not only in terms of the money they spend for the military that they have, but also that they should be willing to be the first line of defense of their own continent and their own borders.

00:23:13.000 Right now, that's not the case.

00:23:15.000 Right now, they are expecting America to pay for their defense.

00:23:18.000 And they're expecting, ultimately, if their borders are attacked by Russia or anyone else, that it's American lives that are going to come out and save them.

00:23:25.000 So you've got a Europe that's actually become steadily weaker over the past...

00:23:29.000 30 years since the end of the Cold War because of their over-reliance on America and their unwillingness to pony up either the men or the moral commitment in order to defend themselves.

00:23:38.000 So Trump is changing all of that.

00:23:40.000 He would have changed it back between 2016 and 2020, except there were so many people within his own administration, including even in the Defense Department, even in the Secretary of State's offices, that wanted to prevent Trump from going in this direction.

00:23:54.000 They wanted to keep America basically with this consensus bipartisan foreign policy.

00:23:58.000 We're getting from everyone from George Bush to Barack Obama, ultimately to Joe Biden.

00:24:03.000 So Trump is trying to, you know, really reorient our foreign policy for the first time since the end of the Cold War.

00:24:08.000 And to do that, he's going to need a team that is loyal to him and that has the right ideas.

00:24:12.000 And Bridge Colby is certainly someone who fits that description.

00:24:15.000 So I love the America's first perspective and that kind of hemispheric idea that we need to consolidate the hemisphere and...

00:24:25.000 And make sure that our adversaries do not have that kind of dominance within.

00:24:30.000 What do you have to say, Daniel, to some of the audience's, let's say, concerns, that President Trump is talking like an imperialist?

00:24:39.000 I don't believe he is.

00:24:40.000 I think it's nonsense.

00:24:41.000 But it's a question that I've received two or three times now throughout my travels.

00:24:45.000 How would you respond to that?

00:24:47.000 Well, the Monroe Doctrine is, of course, sort of the cornerstone of American foreign policy going back more than 200 years.

00:24:54.000 And the Monroe Doctrine basically says that we're going to prevent...

00:24:56.000 Other kinds of imperial powers from reaching into our hemisphere.

00:25:01.000 And certainly that's one of the questions where Greenland comes up.

00:25:04.000 It's where the Panama Canal comes up.

00:25:05.000 The Panama Canal is being very directly influenced right now by China.

00:25:10.000 They have a certain economic stake in it, and there's a risk that they're going to have more economic sway and more political sway over the canal, which is absolutely vital to our interests.

00:25:19.000 Then with Greenland, right now, America's already basically responsible for providing for Greenland's defense.

00:25:26.000 So it's kind of silly that we're paying the price for defending Greenland, but we don't actually have a kind of formal relationship between our nation and Greenland.

00:25:34.000 Instead, Greenland is still controlled by Denmark.

00:25:37.000 In the long run, however, there's a danger that Greenland, because of its strategic position in the Arctic, is going to be heavily influenced by other powers that want to be involved in Arctic politics.

00:25:47.000 And certainly, Russia increasingly looks to the Arctic as a place to expand its power.

00:25:51.000 There is a danger that, you know, even though China is not directly in the Arctic, they may want to be able to use their expanding naval power and their expanding financial influence to influence a small, you know, in fact, a tiny country like Greenland.

00:26:04.000 Greenland's a huge island, but it's possible.

00:26:06.000 Population is only about 50,000 souls or so.

00:26:08.000 And so you can see how they could be susceptible to any great power that comes after them, which is why it's very important that America be the great power that is providing for their protection rather than have the Chinese or someone else be able to come in and influence them. 0.57

00:26:22.000 So all of this is about defending America's national interests.

00:26:25.000 It's not about trying to export democracy to far-off lands and transform other cultures into models replicating our own.

00:26:33.000 That's the imperial project that America had been embarked on since the end of the Cold War, basically.

00:26:37.000 This is instead focusing on America first, which also means focusing on our neighborhood first, and that is the other Americas and the rest of the Western Hemisphere.

00:26:46.000 Neocons are known for laying traps or snares or even ambush campaigns on otherwise chugging along administrations. 0.90

00:26:55.000 You think everything's going fine, and then there's a neocon. 0.67

00:26:59.000 Noose waiting for you.

00:27:00.000 What should we be looking for from permanent Washington that could potentially derail this administration, get us into another permanent war?

00:27:08.000 What are the hot spots that we should be looking at?

00:27:11.000 The neocons are really smart, and I point this out in my essay for Comback magazine on why Bridge Colby is so important.

00:27:17.000 The neocons realize that if they go to the American public, if they go straight to the voters, the voters won't take them up on the kind of imperial, democracy-promoting agenda that the neocons want to endorse.

00:27:26.000 The voters just won't go for it.

00:27:28.000 So they don't do that.

00:27:29.000 And they also realize that, you know, if you try to elect a pure on, you know, sort of pure neoconservative like Bill Kristol, try to send him to the Senate or, you know, nominate him for president, that's not going to work.

00:27:40.000 Recall, Charlie, that back in 2016, Bill Kristol had the lunatic idea that he would get David French to run for president and that David French would somehow be the neocon candidate to stop Donald Trump. 0.80

00:27:51.000 It's just ridiculous. 0.92

00:27:52.000 They can't win elections and they can't serve in office. 0.77

00:27:54.000 But what the neocons are very clever about doing is instead insinuating themselves into the staff and into the offices of office holders.

00:28:03.000 So in other words, you don't have to win elections if you are responsible for the staffing positions of the office holders.

00:28:10.000 Because the office holders themselves are often choosing from a menu of policy that has been written up by their staff or that has been sort of spun by ideologues and think tanks and magazines.

00:28:18.000 That's where the neocons have a chokehold on American policy and on the American right.

00:28:22.000 And that's where they're really concerned they're going to lose that chokehold and that grip if Bridge Colby gets into the Pentagon.

00:28:27.000 Daniel, thank you so much for your time.

00:28:30.000 How does our audience stay in touch with you and follow you?

00:28:32.000 Yeah, you can find me on Twitter at the unusual handle of Tory Anarchist, which is a nice sort of fun phrase I use.

00:28:38.000 And then online, you can find me on the internet at www.modernagejournal.com.

00:28:43.000 Thank you.

00:28:44.000 Talk to you soon, Daniel.

00:28:45.000 Great job.

00:28:48.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

00:28:50.000 There's a lot of excitement in Washington, D.C. as we start the year, but I wanted to talk to you about something just as exciting happening outside the D.C. Beltway, a revolution in the States.

00:28:59.000 It's the Education Freedom Movement.

00:29:01.000 It's real.

00:29:02.000 It's growing and growing because some states, as they should, are putting parents in charge of the education of their kids.

00:29:09.000 Everyone knows education has the power to change a kid's life, and anyone who raised a child knows each has different needs, learning styles, and God-given talents.

00:29:19.000 The fact is, parents know their own children best, knows what's best for their development.

00:29:23.000 And future education freedom legislation puts parents, not zip codes, and politicians in charge of these important family decisions.

00:29:32.000 It's why I strongly support making universal education freedom a reality for every parent in every state.

00:29:39.000 To find out where your state legislature stands and to make sure your voice is heard, go to educationfreedomusa.com now, educationfreedomusa.com.

00:29:50.000 Okay, here's the very serious question.

00:29:53.000 Should Elon Omar be deported?

00:29:56.000 It's a very serious question.

00:29:58.000 Let's go to cut seven. 1.00

00:30:01.000 Elon Omar says you are stupid for supporting Trump. 1.00

00:30:04.000 That Americans supporting Trump for winning these people are just idiots. 1.00

00:30:08.000 You know, insulting the body politic? 1.00

00:30:11.000 Not smart.

00:30:12.000 Play cut seven. 1.00

00:30:13.000 These people are just idiots. 1.00

00:30:15.000 I really, you know, I'm at the point. 1.00

00:30:18.000 Where it's become really hard to have an intellectual debate with any of these people because the level of stupidity that they are displaying every single day is frankly embarrassing, not just in Congress, but as Americans. 0.99

00:30:32.000 And the fact that these people are allowed to say just the most ridiculous things tells you that the dumbing of the United States has arrived because how else do we get Trump presidency again? 0.99

00:30:46.000 Now, we should seriously look into her immigration status. 0.82

00:30:49.000 I think it would make great headlines if Trump deported a member of Congress.

00:30:52.000 I think it would be great.

00:30:54.000 She is one of the most ungrateful members of Congress, let alone in the country.

00:31:01.000 And might say, well, Charlie, on what grounds could you deport her?

00:31:03.000 There is a lot to say that her marriage is anything but legitimate.

00:31:08.000 She married her husband, but only in a Somali faith wedding.

00:31:11.000 Her first real husband.

00:31:13.000 And there's a lot of suspicion about whether or not she married her brother.

00:31:17.000 There's a lot of allegedly around here.

00:31:19.000 Then she married a second guy, and lying on immigration application, back to Mogadishu. 1.00

00:31:26.000 And since America's such a terrible country full of stupid people, why don't you go make Mogadishu great again, Elon? 1.00

00:31:33.000 I believe in you. 1.00

00:31:34.000 Go to Mogadishu, run for mayor, and bring forth the values of Elon Omar to Somalia.

00:31:42.000 So the second guy she married, who Somali sources say were her brother, and it's not just Trace.

00:31:47.000 It's not Trace because Somalia has no documentation.

00:31:50.000 Great country over there.

00:31:51.000 Maybe one thing if Ilhan Omar came to this country and she was full of gratitude and loved America. 1.00

00:31:56.000 She calls Americans stupid. 1.00

00:31:58.000 She hates the country. 1.00

00:31:59.000 She hates Israel. 1.00

00:32:01.000 She hates Jews. 1.00

00:32:03.000 Sounds like a perfect person to get a deportation flight. 0.99

00:32:06.000 Now, how would that work if a member of Congress was deported?

00:32:09.000 That would be quite a novel test case.

00:32:12.000 She's not alone in her outrage or her rancor.

00:32:16.000 This is her fellow radical, Miss Crockett.

00:32:20.000 Play cut, too.

00:32:21.000 There are so many chats that we have where we are talking about what we're going to do and we're talking about what we are doing.

00:32:27.000 But a matter of amplifying those things is a lot more difficult.

00:32:31.000 And I think that it's important that those of us that sit in Congress have to figure out what is really the best way for us to communicate.

00:32:39.000 And we've got to settle into that and recognize that not everyone's going to sit on a podcast.

00:32:43.000 Not everyone's going to be social media savvy, but they are going to have to find their communication lane.

00:32:50.000 And so I do think that it is something that we struggle with.

00:32:53.000 We know right now we obviously have X is owned by Elon.

00:32:57.000 We've also got, you know, the other news network that I won't name and some other things.

00:33:01.000 So there's an actual ecosystem that pumps out this disinformation consistently on behalf of them.

00:33:07.000 Did you understand it?

00:33:08.000 She just uses long words to sound smart when it doesn't really fit.

00:33:14.000 No, it's not that we have a disinformation ecosystem.

00:33:17.000 It's we have better ideas and we're willing to finally fight for them.

00:33:20.000 We're willing to finally say, no, we're not going to allow you to destroy our country.

00:33:24.000 We don't care what names that you administer towards us.

00:33:28.000 Rush Limbaugh taught us this.

00:33:30.000 As soon as you don't care what they call you, almost all of their little voodoo power goes away. 1.00

00:33:35.000 Almost all of their little mind control goes away.

00:33:38.000 You say, I don't care.

00:33:39.000 That's the only tool in their toolkit.

00:33:41.000 Once you say, I don't care.

00:33:43.000 They weaken, shatter, and scream.

00:33:46.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:33:47.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - February 25, 2025

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