The Charlie Kirk Show - June 03, 2025


How Pfizer Rigged the 2020 Election


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Alexa Berenson, a transgender student-athlete, won the California state long jump and triple jump championships on Saturday. Charlie and Steve Helton discuss why California should ban all transgenders from competing in girls' sports.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here, live from the Bitcoin.com studio.
00:00:04.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, direct election interference by Pfizer.
00:00:07.000 We'll never forget what happened back in the 2020 election.
00:00:10.000 Great conversation with Alex Berenson.
00:00:13.000 And then men are still winning championships.
00:00:15.000 That's right.
00:00:15.000 The new long jump and triple jump champion in California is a man, as we predicted.
00:00:21.000 That's right.
00:00:21.000 Men are continually winning female championships.
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00:00:35.000 Here we go.
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00:01:34.000 On Saturday...
00:01:41.000 We predicted that a man was going to win a state championship.
00:01:48.000 Well, A.B. Hernandez, a man, a transgender student, won the state title in two different competitions.
00:01:56.000 Two first place victories and a second place win in the state championship.
00:02:00.000 He won the high and the triple jump events.
00:02:03.000 Hernandez shared the podium in recognition.
00:02:06.000 With cisgender females as a result of new rules, horridly adopted last week. 1.00
00:02:12.000 You see, these are the Democrats trying to remedy an unfixable situation.
00:02:18.000 Well, it's very fixable if you say no men in female sports. 1.00
00:02:20.000 Sparked by threats from the federal government just days ahead of the past weekend's track and field championship, the California Interscholastic Federation changed its rules regarding the number of girls who could qualify and could win events with a transgender athlete.
00:02:35.000 The state faced backlash over Hernandez's participation with President Donald Trump threatening to cut federal funding to California.
00:02:43.000 I want to play some of this piece of tape here, and then we're going to get to my friend Steve Hilton, who's running for the governor's mansion in California.
00:02:53.000 Actually, we'll play that tape in just a second.
00:02:55.000 This is up on screen.
00:02:57.000 This is pretty amazing what we're putting up on screen here.
00:02:59.000 This is a biological man, so that's a person, if we put this up on screen.
00:03:04.000 With a penis and a woman sharing a state title, I guess. 1.00
00:03:10.000 I'm not really even sure what they were doing in the medal ceremony.
00:03:12.000 It's very confusing.
00:03:14.000 This is only making it worse, for the record.
00:03:16.000 It's not making it better.
00:03:17.000 So now they share medals with trannies. 1.00
00:03:20.000 I'm sorry.
00:03:20.000 How does that make sense?
00:03:21.000 So you're acknowledging that they're not actually men?
00:03:24.000 I mean, that they're not actually women? 0.98
00:03:25.000 Joining us now is Steve Helton.
00:03:27.000 Steve, what is going on with your state?
00:03:28.000 This is a major issue that Governor Gavin Newsom has refused to move on.
00:03:32.000 Steve, your thoughts?
00:03:33.000 You're exactly right, Charlie.
00:03:35.000 It's making it worse.
00:03:36.000 There's a famous phrase we have for exactly this moment, adding insult to injury.
00:03:44.000 What an insult!
00:03:45.000 They, by doing this ridiculous, yeah, let's put them both up on the podium, acknowledge the unfairness, the ridiculousness, the absurdity of what went on here, and they refuse to actually address the problem.
00:04:02.000 Which is the basic common sense position that the vast majority of Americans share.
00:04:09.000 To be clear, the vast majority of Californians in a recent poll also share, which is that biological men should not be competing in girls' sports.
00:04:20.000 Right?
00:04:20.000 Everyone agrees about that.
00:04:23.000 The majority of Americans, the majority of Californians, and Gavin Newsom agrees.
00:04:28.000 Because that's what he told you.
00:04:31.000 He said it was, quote, deeply unfair.
00:04:34.000 So what's he done about it?
00:04:36.000 Absolutely nothing.
00:04:38.000 A few weeks after your conversation, he had an opportunity to do something about it.
00:04:43.000 There were two bills in the state legislature, bills put forward by Republican state legislators that would have banned this absurd, cruel practice.
00:04:54.000 And he did absolutely nothing.
00:04:57.000 He did nothing to try and help those bills go through.
00:05:00.000 He was then asked about it.
00:05:02.000 He said, hang on a second.
00:05:03.000 The reporters said, you told Charlie Kirk, you think this is deeply unfair.
00:05:07.000 Why didn't you do anything about it?
00:05:09.000 And this is when it got even more unbelievable.
00:05:11.000 Newsom said, well, it's really difficult.
00:05:13.000 We've been trying to figure this out for two years now.
00:05:17.000 And I just haven't been able to figure out what to do.
00:05:20.000 It's really difficult.
00:05:27.000 It is repulsive, actually.
00:05:27.000 And I didn't need two years to figure this out.
00:05:32.000 I figured it out in two days with serious legal advisors who've been involved with former governors of California.
00:05:39.000 I went to the track and field finals myself on Saturday morning to hold a press conference with the mayor of Clovis, where the event was taking place, many girls and former athletes.
00:05:50.000 I was there to make the announcement.
00:05:52.000 That when I'm governor, this will be banned.
00:05:55.000 And here's how you do it.
00:05:57.000 The law that enables this absurdity was passed in California in 2013.
00:06:03.000 It's AB 1266.
00:06:06.000 It enables not just biological men to compete in girls' sports, but also to have access to girls' locker rooms.
00:06:14.000 So we saw the obscenity.
00:06:16.000 Just a few weeks ago of a girl in the central coast of California who went before a school board to say that she and her friends were in the locker room when a biological male was changing naked right next to them in the locker room and she couldn't do anything about it.
00:06:34.000 And her words were that I felt assaulted.
00:06:36.000 That was the words that she used.
00:06:38.000 And the school board silenced her for trying to tell that story.
00:06:42.000 That is also enabled by the same law, AB 1266, that made possible what you saw on Saturday.
00:06:49.000 So here's what I will do when I'm governor.
00:06:52.000 My legal advice is that this state law is violatory of the state constitution in two ways.
00:07:01.000 Section 28 of California's state constitution guarantees students safe schools.
00:07:08.000 Section 31 bans gender discrimination.
00:07:12.000 What is this if it's not discrimination against girls? 0.99
00:07:16.000 So here's what I'm going to do.
00:07:18.000 On day one, when I'm elected governor, I will demand that the legislature overturn AB 1266.
00:07:25.000 If they refuse to do that, I will file suit against them on the grounds that this law is unconstitutional and we will overturn it.
00:07:34.000 One way or another, when I'm governor, this absurdity, this unfairness, this cruelty will end.
00:07:41.000 And Steve, we have the receipts here.
00:07:43.000 Let's play cut 282, please.
00:07:46.000 So you right now should come out and be like, you know what?
00:07:48.000 The young man who's about to win the state championship and the long jump in female sports, that shouldn't happen. 0.98
00:07:55.000 You as the governor should step out and say no.
00:07:57.000 No, and I appreciate it.
00:07:58.000 But would you do something like that?
00:07:59.000 Would you say no men in female sports? 0.99
00:08:01.000 Well, I think it's an issue of fairness.
00:08:02.000 I completely agree with you on that.
00:08:04.000 So that's easy to call out, the unfairness of that.
00:08:06.000 There's also a humility and a grace that these poor people are more likely to commit suicide, have anxiety and depression.
00:08:13.000 And the way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is an issue that I have a hard time with as well.
00:08:20.000 So both things I can hold in my hand.
00:08:22.000 How can we address this issue with the kind of decency that I think is inherent in you, but not always expressed?
00:08:30.000 I don't know what he's talking about at the end of that.
00:08:33.000 But Steve, he could have done something and he decided not to.
00:08:37.000 Your thoughts?
00:08:38.000 Exactly.
00:08:39.000 This is what we get from him.
00:08:40.000 What's he even talking about?
00:08:42.000 He's the governor.
00:08:43.000 He's not some passive bystander, but that is how he behaves on everything.
00:08:47.000 He's done nothing.
00:08:49.000 He says he's been working on it for two years and can't figure out an answer.
00:08:53.000 As I said, I worked on it for two days.
00:08:55.000 And got a concrete legal answer about how we overturn the law that enables this and stop this happening in California.
00:09:02.000 This is a pattern with Gavin Newsom.
00:09:04.000 He said something similar on the absolutely outrageous situation we have in California, where you have taxpayer money now funding illegal immigrant health care to the tune of $10 billion, right?
00:09:19.000 And he said, oh, that's really unfair.
00:09:21.000 We're going to rein it in.
00:09:22.000 And then guess what happened when he published his new budget?
00:09:25.000 The spending on that actually went up.
00:09:28.000 It increased from £9.5 billion to £12.1 billion next year.
00:09:32.000 Same on homelessness.
00:09:34.000 He said, oh, I'm getting tough on homelessness now.
00:09:36.000 Turns out what he actually did was issue a list of suggestions to local governments that wouldn't have made any difference at all.
00:09:44.000 This guy is an absolute menace.
00:09:47.000 Right.
00:09:47.000 He keeps saying, I'll try to do this.
00:09:50.000 I'll do that.
00:09:50.000 I'm moving to the center.
00:09:52.000 I'm becoming more moderate.
00:09:53.000 The whole country needs to understand this guy doesn't do anything to make anything better in a practical sense.
00:10:00.000 It's all words, mostly incomprehensible.
00:10:03.000 And on this particular issue.
00:10:05.000 America should not be fooled.
00:10:07.000 He's done nothing about this.
00:10:08.000 He told you he thought it was deeply unfair and then did nothing.
00:10:12.000 He can't be trusted.
00:10:13.000 That's why I'm running for governor.
00:10:15.000 We've got to get change in California.
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00:11:22.000 Steve Hilton continues with us.
00:11:24.000 Let's play cut 283.
00:11:26.000 This is the biological man.
00:11:28.000 A.B. Hernandez being interviewed by the media.
00:11:31.000 This man just won the state title in the high jump and the triple jump.
00:11:35.000 This man is now the winner of the female category.
00:11:39.000 And honestly, it's amazing how many women are okay with this. 0.99
00:11:42.000 White, liberal women are perfectly fine with this. 1.00
00:11:45.000 Interestingly, in that picture, can you show the picture up before I play the video here?
00:11:49.000 You know who I don't think is okay with this?
00:11:51.000 This is a complete inference.
00:11:53.000 It's just, I don't think the black woman is okay with this. 1.00
00:11:56.000 I don't.
00:11:57.000 I'm just inferring.
00:11:59.000 I'm guessing.
00:12:00.000 I'm speculating.
00:12:01.000 The black woman doesn't seem too thrilled with this whole situation.
00:12:04.000 And it really goes to show the body language.
00:12:07.000 She's like, I'm not too crazy about this.
00:12:10.000 If you go into black and Hispanic neighborhoods, this idea of men winning female championships is incomprehensible. 1.00
00:12:18.000 Playcut 283.
00:12:20.000 Is that even registering as you're competing?
00:12:23.000 Honestly, no.
00:12:25.000 I'm so tired.
00:12:26.000 You're an adult, and for you to act like a child shows how you are as a person.
00:12:33.000 And nothing I can do about people's actions, just focus on my own.
00:12:36.000 On Saturday, other competitors beat Hernandez in two of her three events. 0.70
00:12:41.000 She won first place in triple jump.
00:12:43.000 She is not currently ranked nationally, and she has been outperformed by over two meters in her jumps by girls competing in states that have banned gender-affirming care.
00:12:55.000 I don't think you understand that this puts your idiotic claims to trash.
00:13:02.000 Now you have no proof that I can't be beat.
00:13:06.000 Yeah, you just won the triple jump and the high jump.
00:13:09.000 And then here is 264.
00:13:11.000 Here's the most amazing thing.
00:13:12.000 This is the girl who then got the co-medal that they're doing.
00:13:16.000 They're trying to fix it, which makes it even worse.
00:13:18.000 But she's perfectly fine with it.
00:13:19.000 If you want a picture in— I don't like picking on minors, but it is what it is.
00:13:23.000 Play Cut 264 into a picture into the window of white liberal blackness. 0.64
00:13:35.000 They gave her the medal that she deserved.
00:13:37.000 And sharing the podium was nothing but an honor.
00:13:43.000 As a part of the queer community, like, I want A.B. Hernandez to know that we all have her back and we all have her support.
00:13:48.000 Although the publicity she's receiving has been pretty negative, I believe she deserves publicity because she is a superstar.
00:13:54.000 She's a rock star. 0.98
00:13:55.000 She's representing who she is.
00:13:56.000 And to be up there with her, like, that was amazing for me, honestly, yeah.
00:14:00.000 I'm really proud of us.
00:14:01.000 Even though she didn't win.
00:14:03.000 Steve, how are we going to end this insanity in California?
00:14:06.000 Well, it's just, you're right.
00:14:09.000 It's insane.
00:14:10.000 And I want to go back to the point I made earlier, which is, it's worse than even this.
00:14:15.000 Yes, okay, we can all see the unfairness and the ridiculousness of the competitive aspect in sports.
00:14:20.000 The analogy I make often is, imagine if we said, oh, you know, what we're going to do now is have 19-year-old men competing on the 12-year-old kid's soccer team.
00:14:31.000 People would just laugh.
00:14:32.000 Well, that's ridiculous.
00:14:33.000 You'd never have that happen.
00:14:34.000 That's the equivalent of what's going on here.
00:14:36.000 But it's also the violation here of girls' spaces. 0.82
00:14:40.000 Access to locker rooms.
00:14:41.000 And you had a girl.
00:14:42.000 And you make the point that, you know, some of these girls seem to go along with it.
00:14:47.000 One of the reasons is, I had a professional athlete join me at my press conference to announce the action that I would take as governor.
00:14:54.000 Sophia Laurie, great campaigner on all this.
00:14:56.000 She said, look, so many girls privately tell her they are absolutely furious about all this, but feel they can't speak out because they're going to be silenced.
00:15:06.000 Or victimized in some way for telling the truth, for speaking basic truth about what life is all about.
00:15:15.000 And they feel that they can't say that.
00:15:17.000 But this violation in spaces, in locker rooms, naked biological men in a girl's locker room?
00:15:24.000 I mean, a few years ago, we would have considered that a crime.
00:15:29.000 A crime.
00:15:30.000 a naked teenage boy in a girl's locker room.
00:15:34.000 And now the girl gets... 1.00
00:15:39.000 I mean, this is completely insane.
00:15:42.000 Insane and offensive and cruel.
00:15:45.000 And that's why I'm saying very clearly, I have found the way that this will be overturned when I'm governor.
00:15:52.000 The law that enables this is unconstitutional.
00:15:56.000 So what are we doing?
00:15:57.000 The law that enables this was passed 12 years ago by the California legislature.
00:16:02.000 And this shows you what you get.
00:16:04.000 When you have one party rule, we've had 15 years of one party rule by the Democrats.
00:16:08.000 And this is just one example among many.
00:16:10.000 Of the insanity that have ruined California.
00:16:13.000 But it ends when I'm the governor.
00:16:15.000 That's why I'm running for governor.
00:16:16.000 I'm telling you, exactly as you said, I will have the support, and I'm getting it right now, of exactly as you say, particularly the Latino community in California, who've had enough of it. 0.81
00:16:26.000 It's the largest group in California.
00:16:28.000 I was on with Steve Pannon the other day.
00:16:30.000 He said, how are you going to pull this off?
00:16:31.000 How are you going to win in California?
00:16:33.000 Two things.
00:16:34.000 Turn out every Trump voter.
00:16:36.000 There are more than enough Trump voters in California to to to And secondly, working class Latinos in California who know that this is nonsense, this kind of thing, and they know they've been hammered by 15 years of Democrat.
00:16:50.000 Well, we're going to end it when I'm the governor.
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00:17:57.000 Okay, everybody, I've been reading about this in the Wall Street Journal, this drone attack in Russia.
00:18:04.000 Serious stuff.
00:18:05.000 Ukraine strikes, destroy planes inside Russia.
00:18:08.000 Clandestine drone attack deal, conflict's biggest blow against long-range bombers.
00:18:12.000 We're going to keep a close eye on that.
00:18:14.000 Seems very, very, very much on the interior of Russia.
00:18:17.000 I sure hope America had nothing to do with it.
00:18:20.000 Joining us now is Alex Berenson.
00:18:22.000 Man, I really enjoyed his book, Pandemia, during all of the COVID stuff.
00:18:26.000 He was without a doubt one of the most, if not the best, reporter during all of that.
00:18:30.000 Alex sent me a very nice email last week.
00:18:33.000 Alex, why don't you tell the audience the email you sent me and kind of what prompted this conversation?
00:18:38.000 Sure.
00:18:39.000 So last week on my Substack, my Unreported Truth Substack, I wrote a piece about how much Pfizer essentially interfered in the 2020 election.
00:18:52.000 Almost certainly intentionally withholding its results of the main MRA vaccine clinical trial until after the election.
00:19:02.000 And those results, as we all know, were very positive.
00:19:05.000 Now, we can have a different debate about the long-term efficacy of the vaccines, the long-term side effects of the vaccines, all that stuff.
00:19:15.000 I want to put that aside.
00:19:16.000 And I certainly have lots of questions about that.
00:19:19.000 I've done lots of reporting about that.
00:19:21.000 You know, I think along with a couple other people like Robert Malone, I've been one of the big questioners on that.
00:19:26.000 Put that aside.
00:19:27.000 On the day that Pfizer announced the results, which was one week after the vaccine, I'm sorry, one week after Election Day, six days after Election Day, Monday, November 9th, 2020, the stock market went crazy.
00:19:42.000 There was a global sense of relief.
00:19:44.000 Because the results were so positive.
00:19:47.000 People believed that, you know, within a matter of months, everybody, you know, or almost everybody would be vaccinated.
00:19:53.000 And certainly, you know, elderly people at high risk would be vaccinated.
00:19:57.000 And the epidemic would be over.
00:19:58.000 And, you know, look, there were a lot of us like me, like you at the time, who said, this is a little bit of fool's gold because we don't really necessarily need to lock down.
00:20:08.000 We're overreacting to COVID as it is.
00:20:10.000 But obviously, we all know there are a lot of people who work in that category, and they were desperate for a vaccine.
00:20:17.000 And so the public response on that November 9th was incredibly positive.
00:20:23.000 And I don't think there's any question that Donald Trump would have gotten millions more votes had that been announced in late October, especially because, you know, although Pfizer was outside the Warp Speed program, it was working very closely with the U.S. government.
00:20:40.000 You know, was using technology that was essentially the U.S. government's favorite technology.
00:20:44.000 So had Pfizer announced those results, I think Trump gets millions more votes.
00:20:50.000 I don't necessarily even think the 2020 election is close, okay?
00:20:54.000 And at that time, you, Donald Trump himself, Donald Trump Jr., there were a lot of people saying, this seems really odd.
00:21:02.000 It seems really weird that these incredibly positive results, which Pfizer said were...
00:21:10.000 Suddenly got delayed just a few extra days.
00:21:13.000 How did this happen?
00:21:14.000 And of course, people like you, people like Donald Trump himself, got smeared as conspiracy theorists.
00:21:19.000 This is a conspiracy.
00:21:21.000 Pfizer did whatever they could.
00:21:22.000 They did it at the speed of science.
00:21:24.000 And it turns out this is just another conspiracy that turns out to be completely true.
00:21:29.000 You were correct.
00:21:30.000 Donald Trump was correct.
00:21:32.000 Pfizer is no friend of Donald Trump's.
00:21:34.000 Albert Borla, who's the CEO of Pfizer, no friend of Donald Trump's.
00:21:39.000 And if you look at the timeline and you go into what Pfizer actually knew and when it knew it, I don't think there can be any question that they could have announced these results possibly as early as mid-October, certainly by about October 25th or so, and they chose not to do so.
00:21:56.000 So I love this story, and I think you just handled that so perfectly.
00:21:59.000 I want to dive even deeper into this, Alex, which is the efficacy and the problems with the vaccine, myocarditis, pericarditis, all that stuff.
00:22:04.000 That's not even what we're talking about here.
00:22:06.000 We're talking about a political moment.
00:22:08.000 We're talking about how this impacted a presidential election.
00:22:10.000 This is an inarguable fact.
00:22:14.000 Remember back during that time, a lot of people were – They were scared.
00:22:21.000 They were afraid because of all the propaganda networks.
00:22:23.000 And the news of a vaccine very well could have put President Trump so above and beyond any margin of tomfoolery and skullduggery during the 2020 election, as evidenced by when they did this.
00:22:34.000 So I want you now, Alex, to make the case.
00:22:37.000 What did Pfizer do exactly?
00:22:39.000 How did they delay this?
00:22:41.000 What was their internal rationale?
00:22:43.000 Was it nakedly political?
00:22:45.000 Because essentially, Pfizer now, as it is clear in front of us, was now the most proven interferer of an American presidential election of my lifetime.
00:22:58.000 Prove me wrong, Alex Berenson.
00:22:59.000 So this is a great question.
00:23:02.000 I can tell you what they did.
00:23:04.000 I can't tell you yet why they did it, except that as I write in this substack, Albert Bourla in 2022 said some very negative things about Donald Trump.
00:23:15.000 You know, he's a CEO.
00:23:17.000 He's sort of cautious politically.
00:23:19.000 But you've got to remember, in 2021-2022, Donald Trump was not president.
00:23:24.000 It didn't seem like there was much chance, necessarily, that he was going to become president.
00:23:28.000 And a lot of CEOs, I think, felt freer to say what they really thought of him, and certainly Borla did.
00:23:36.000 And beyond that, there's a guy named Jonathan Zettelman, Dr. Jonathan Zettelman, and Zettelman So in other words, if the results were really good, he's the one who would tell Pfizer.
00:23:56.000 So Pfizer runs the trial on behalf of itself and BioNTech, which is a German company that actually developed the mRNA technology that's in that vaccine.
00:24:05.000 But Pfizer theoretically doesn't know what the results are until this guy, Jonathan Zentelman.
00:24:12.000 And he has the ability to what's called break the blind, to go look at the data.
00:24:17.000 And Zettelman is openly a Democratic partisan.
00:24:22.000 He donated to Act Blue in 2020.
00:24:25.000 He donated to Obama's campaign back in 2008.
00:24:29.000 His wife donated to Joe Biden himself.
00:24:33.000 And so this guy, and this guy wrote something extremely negative about Trump, Donald Trump, in April 2020.
00:24:41.000 And so this is the guy who, as much as Albert Bourla, has the ability to essentially let the world know what's going on in the trial.
00:24:49.000 So as the trial is progressing, Pfizer starts this trial in July, and it's in a big race with Moderna, which was the other mRNA vaccine company.
00:24:58.000 And both these companies know we want to get this out as quickly as possible.
00:25:02.000 Because there's going to be big financial rewards.
00:25:05.000 There's going to be big reputational rewards.
00:25:07.000 I don't think it's wrong to say that Albert Borla in 2021 was the most powerful private citizen in the world.
00:25:13.000 You know, people were calling him up begging for Pfizer's vaccine.
00:25:16.000 So they want this out best.
00:25:19.000 But then in September, when it's clear that there's a real chance that the results of this trial are going to be out well in advance of the election, people in the public health community go crazy.
00:25:31.000 And they push back and they say, if this vaccine isn't tested enough, nobody on the left is going to trust it.
00:25:38.000 It's going to be Donald Trump's vaccine.
00:25:40.000 We can't let Donald Trump interfere with science.
00:25:43.000 We need more safety data.
00:25:45.000 Okay.
00:25:45.000 The FDA then essentially uses that as an excuse to say, we want two months of safety data.
00:25:54.000 And guess what?
00:25:55.000 Two months of safety data means that the In other words, because they demanded this extra data, which they hadn't previously said, they only said this in September, we're going to need this extra data.
00:26:16.000 Okay, that's not the same as effectiveness, though.
00:26:19.000 This is safety data that the FDA wants.
00:26:21.000 Pfizer can still tell you the vaccine is working, as they did on November 9th, without saying we're going to apply for what's called an EUA, actually putting it in people's arms today.
00:26:33.000 But what this does, what the FDA's move, which they did intentionally, and I think knowing that it was going to enable Pfizer to do this, this was sort of a hand-in-glove public health.
00:26:45.000 On the left, Pfizer, on the left, game to deny Trump the fruits of how successful this vaccine was going to be.
00:26:55.000 Pfizer says, okay, we need more safety data.
00:26:58.000 What that means is that even if we announce that the vaccine is really effective in mid-October, we're not going to be able to apply to put it in people's arms until mid-November.
00:27:08.000 Guess what?
00:27:09.000 This gives us control about when we actually announce that the vaccine is working.
00:27:15.000 And they had very good reason to know that the vaccine was working because it gets complicated.
00:27:22.000 It gets into when cases were, quote-unquote, accruing in the trial.
00:27:27.000 So in other words, the vaccine works so well early on.
00:27:31.000 Again, we're talking about months here.
00:27:32.000 We're not talking about years.
00:27:33.000 We're not talking about whether the vaccine works in the long term.
00:27:35.000 In the very short term, after you get that second mRNA shot, you have a very, very low chance of getting COVID.
00:27:44.000 And so they can see that.
00:27:46.000 And also, one thing that people don't realize, I think even people in the scientific community, is that in a big company like Pfizer, there are going to be a handful of people who have open access to the trial data, even when it's supposed to be blinded.
00:27:58.000 And they kind of have to have that because if something is going terribly wrong with the vaccine, somebody inside the company needs to know that quickly.
00:28:05.000 But what that means is that the company doesn't, this idea that the company doesn't know what's going on.
00:28:11.000 is not really true.
00:28:13.000 So Pfizer had very good reason to know what was happening in October.
00:28:18.000 And at the same time, it's clear that the guy who had the best access was vehemently anti-Trump and that Borla himself, Albert Borla, the chief executive of Pfizer, was also anti-Trump.
00:28:31.000 Again, I actually want to trust my public health authorities.
00:28:34.000 I want to trust the largest pharmaceutical company, but I don't.
00:28:37.000 And I didn't trust them before any of this.
00:28:40.000 And now, I think, now through every prism, no, I mean, it's so repulsive and disgusting.
00:28:47.000 And again, I will repeat this, that the 2020 election was so interfered with, and Donald Trump still, after all of that, only fell 43,000 votes short.
00:28:54.000 It's rather remarkable.
00:28:56.000 And thank you, Alex, for mentioning it.
00:28:58.000 I was so condemned.
00:28:59.000 I was so smeared.
00:29:01.000 Because when this happened, I said, oh, they totally had the data earlier.
00:29:04.000 Oh, you're a conspiracy theorist.
00:29:06.000 Yeah, turns out I was right, and we were right.
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00:30:20.000 Okay, so Alex Berenson is here.
00:30:28.000 Has anyone apologized?
00:30:29.000 Anyone taken responsibility for this?
00:30:30.000 Is there any contrition from Albert Bula from Pfizer?
00:30:33.000 Alex?
00:30:34.000 Of course not.
00:30:35.000 I mean, why would there be contrition?
00:30:37.000 They, you know, they haven't admitted the vaccine, you know, didn't work nearly as well as they expected.
00:30:42.000 They haven't admitted that, you know, that lockdowns were a disaster.
00:30:45.000 They haven't admitted anything.
00:30:46.000 They never admit anything, these people.
00:30:48.000 They all pretend that they are, you know, believers in science and truth and that, you know, anybody who opposes them is just some mouth-breathing, you know, nut.
00:30:59.000 None of that is true.
00:31:00.000 And when you catch them, they just ignore it, which is exactly what Pfizer's done.
00:31:05.000 So Pfizer, instead of owning up to this, they'll never own up to this, has spent a lot of its money trying to get back in good with Donald Trump.
00:31:15.000 And as somebody I know, who you know too, said to me, Trump has this reputation of being such a retributionist.
00:31:23.000 The fact is, he's often too forgiving.
00:31:26.000 These people should not be anywhere near him.
00:31:29.000 They made a decision, a conscious decision, to sit on results that probably, as you said, would have made it outside any margin of error, that would have, you know, definitely changed the national mood in October 2020.
00:31:44.000 And, you know, because they're good at sort of spending corporate money, he, you know, I mean, this is one reason I'm glad to be on with you, because I know people in the White House listen to you and see you, and I think it's crazy.
00:32:05.000 No, no, he should be totally cut off.
00:32:06.000 I mean, first of all, What we're talking about here, though, is an interference of a major company worth hundreds of billions of dollars that says we do not want a certain political outcome, and therefore we are not going to allow the trials to come out.
00:32:29.000 And if anybody deserved to have that election bump, it should have been President Trump because he actually ushered in Operation Warp Speed.
00:32:37.000 There were a lot of problems with that, and I think he was taken advantage of, and I think he was misled in that process.
00:32:42.000 But if anybody deserved to have the political fruit and the political momentum, it should have been Donald Trump, not Joe Biden.
00:32:49.000 Correct, Alex Berenson?
00:32:50.000 You're absolutely correct about that.
00:32:52.000 And again, I think it's been forgotten that in August, in September of 2020, there was a big push from the left to try to discredit these vaccines.
00:33:01.000 And Andrew Cuomo at one point said, New York State is going to do its own evaluation of the vaccines.
00:33:07.000 We're not going to trust the FDA, which was an absolutely crazy thing to say.
00:33:11.000 And so, you know, there was a push on the left to discredit this.
00:33:15.000 And then all of a sudden, And everybody on the left, everybody in the media, everybody in public health starts talking about how wonderful these vaccines are, how everyone has to take them.
00:33:35.000 It really was astonishing to see.
00:33:38.000 And it has been forgotten.
00:33:40.000 And the smearing of you.
00:33:43.000 And of Donald Trump himself and of other people as conspiracy theorists is just part of this.
00:33:48.000 And, you know, it disturbs me.
00:33:52.000 It's wrong.
00:33:53.000 And it's just part and parcel of what's wrong with the, you know, I mean, this is really, I hate to use the term the deep state.
00:34:01.000 It's not a term that I favor.
00:34:02.000 But this is the deep state in action.
00:34:04.000 This is the FDA and the public health complex, the FDA of the time, working together to try to keep a person they didn't like.
00:34:13.000 From getting the benefit of this good news.