The Charlie Kirk Show - How the Base Came Back Better, Stronger, and Tougher — Exclusive Interview with Donald Trump Jr.

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00:01:16.000 Alright, Don, welcome to Phoenix, man.

00:01:17.000 Good to be here.

00:01:18.000 Good to be back.

00:01:19.000 So, we got quite a crowd.

00:01:20.000 Our members-only crew is growing.

00:01:22.000 I mean, your members-only crew is larger than, like, the entire membership of Turning Point the first time.

00:01:27.000 That's right.

00:01:28.000 This would have been a big turnout back in, like, 16 for...

00:01:31.000 Oh yeah, the first event you spoke at was our Winter in West Palm Beach event in Palm Beach.

00:01:37.000 This was like the combined attendance of that entire event.

00:01:40.000 And by the way, by political standards, that was huge, so to speak, with a capital Y. But it's grown a lot.

00:01:47.000 It has.

00:01:48.000 So, Don, there's so much to kind of walk through.

00:01:51.000 Let's go back to what you called day one, what we called the new day one, January 7th, 2021. Yeah.

00:01:58.000 It looked as if the Trump movement was over.

00:02:01.000 We were put in exile.

00:02:02.000 You never gave up.

00:02:04.000 We never gave up.

00:02:05.000 And now here we are today where everyone acts as if it was an obvious foregone conclusion that we're going to take back the White House.

00:02:10.000 Take us back in time.

00:02:12.000 Walk us through the most amazing political comeback in American history.

00:02:15.000 Yeah, no, it was incredible.

00:02:17.000 I mean, everyone was like, well, I was there in, you know, 16 and 15 and whatever.

00:02:21.000 It's like, well, where were you in January 7th?

00:02:22.000 Because there's multiple day ones.

00:02:24.000 If you were at both of those places, that's pretty great.

00:02:28.000 And that's really the applicant pool of who we're looking at right now.

00:02:30.000 I mean, the amount of people who...

00:02:32.000 You know, jumped ship on January 7th, and, you know, Trump never had a chance on, you know, back in 15, zero chance of winning a primary, zero chance of beating Hillary Clinton.

00:02:43.000 You know, he was definitely getting impeached twice.

00:02:46.000 He just kept coming back.

00:02:48.000 Watching all of these people write you off so many times, it's actually great motivation, but I think that's what's so much more effective about This administration, this cabinet, the people that are involved, we just know.

00:03:01.000 You know, in 16, we didn't know anything.

00:03:04.000 We didn't know anything.

00:03:04.000 The first night my father spent in Washington, D.C. was the night he moved into the White House.

00:03:09.000 We were trusting, you know, Kris Krispy Kreme Christy.

00:03:13.000 You know, that was our closest person that may have known something about Washington, and, you know...

00:03:19.000 Maybe he did.

00:03:20.000 Maybe he knew something bad.

00:03:23.000 And so it's just so different, which gives me so much hope.

00:03:26.000 It's why you see people trying so desperately now.

00:03:29.000 But it's not working anymore.

00:03:31.000 Once you got a hold of X and watching the left right now...

00:03:36.000 Oh my God, it's a right-wing platform.

00:03:38.000 No, it's 50-50.

00:03:39.000 You're just used to having an entire echo chamber to yourselves.

00:03:41.000 You're not used to having to argue.

00:03:43.000 You're not used to having to actually formulate an opinion because whatever you said was just the gospel.

00:03:47.000 As long as you repeat the narrative, you are rewarded with followers and likes.

00:03:52.000 It's just so different now.

00:03:53.000 The people are involved.

00:03:54.000 I mean, you know, as we've been saying, we are the media now.

00:03:58.000 Yes.

00:03:58.000 We're also the government now.

00:04:01.000 Um...

00:04:05.000 I mean it.

00:04:06.000 I mean, you look at what's happening in the last few weeks.

00:04:09.000 I mean, you know, two, three weeks ago, you know, Pete Hegseth was dead, according to the media, and then, you know, MAGA got involved.

00:04:16.000 People were vocal.

00:04:17.000 They started calling out sort of the, you know, more rhino-leaning members of the Republican Senate, and all of a sudden, everyone's back in line, and I call it ETP, Education Through Pain.

00:04:28.000 You know, it's Charlie.

00:04:30.000 I like that.

00:04:31.000 It is, but that's what it is. 0.98

00:04:33.000 Not in the physical sense of the word, because some schmuck on CNN is going to say, he's inciting violence. 0.98

00:04:39.000 You know the deal. 0.98

00:04:43.000 And so, you know, we did that.

00:04:45.000 We weren't able to do that in the past, right?

00:04:47.000 Even if we had our voices out there where they were suppressed so badly while...

00:04:51.000 This sort of popular Democrat narrative was enhanced artificially.

00:04:55.000 Now, with a level playing field, we can do that, and we can make these representatives actually represent us for a change.

00:05:02.000 I know that they're used to doing the bidding of the oligarchs in the D.C. swamp.

00:05:07.000 That's gone right now, and that's why it's so fundamental.

00:05:10.000 We just keep it up.

00:05:12.000 You can't do that.

00:05:13.000 And when people, well, this one's over, and if Hegseth would have rolled, they would have set their targets on the next one.

00:05:18.000 It would have been a dynamic shift for the next four years.

00:05:21.000 But watching, you know, not just us, but all of you, you know, get after it, get involved, call these people out, you know, whether it was physically, whether it was on social, whether it was on the media, you know, we turned a narrative around in like three or four days that, you know, the experts...

00:05:37.000 We've all been hearing about experts for a while.

00:05:39.000 You can't be an expert, by the way, if you haven't been right in about a decade.

00:05:42.000 You should lose your expert status.

00:05:45.000 But the experts were saying, you know, there's blood in the water, this thing's over.

00:05:48.000 And, you know, the base stuck by their people.

00:05:51.000 And when we do that and we become unafraid and we fight back, we win.

00:05:55.000 And it's that simple.

00:05:57.000 And so I want to be very clear.

00:05:58.000 We said this, and Don and I were part of a few people that held the line for Pete Hegseth.

00:06:03.000 And that's not over yet, but that was a very telling moment because if we would have just kind of surrendered, it could have derailed the entire Trump presidency.

00:06:13.000 And I hope you guys understand that, that the whole direction of the Trump presidency was in suspension.

00:06:17.000 I said, and Don echoed and vice versa, that if you are a Republican senator like Joni Ernst or one of these others, and you voted for Joe Biden's Department of Defense director, and you won't vote for Donald Trump's DOD director, we will primary you and remove you from office immediately.

00:06:39.000 We're actually watching that play out again, I mean, with the CR. I mean, you took a bill that the Swamp would have gladly signed that had a lot of stuff that was bad, and, you know, in three hours, that thing was dead on arrival.

00:06:50.000 And, again...

00:06:53.000 Because of you guys calling it out, we now have the ability to assess information rapidly.

00:06:59.000 Not, you know, well, pass it to figure out what's in it.

00:07:02.000 We've heard that for far too long.

00:07:03.000 Now we can actually see it.

00:07:05.000 With a level playing field, you know, on social, we're actually all able to then chime in.

00:07:10.000 And, you know, in 24, 48 hours, we got a new bill that got rid of a lot of that pork and a lot of that waste and all of the things that everyone here voted against on November 5th.

00:07:19.000 It's funny.

00:07:20.000 They have a comparison right now on Twitter is that the other one was 1,500.

00:07:23.000 The new CR is like three pages long, which is the way it should be, by the way, is that if you're going to do a CR and you're going to do debt living increase, you don't need 900 different pages to get there.

00:07:32.000 Don, what is it about this retiring Republican ideology from some of these senators where they feel as if it's okay to give Joe Biden what he wants but not Donald Trump?

00:07:43.000 Like, it's not easily understood.

00:07:47.000 Help me understand the psychology behind that.

00:07:50.000 Am I allowed to say it's like a cuck mindset?

00:07:52.000 Can I say that on the Charlie Kercher?

00:07:55.000 I'm not quite as evangelical as Charlie, so I'm...

00:08:01.000 I'm going to go.

00:08:02.000 No, it is.

00:08:02.000 You know what it is?

00:08:03.000 I've been saying it.

00:08:04.000 If you're a weak Republican in D.C., it's an easy existence.

00:08:09.000 You can be like 90% of the way there, 80% of the way there, as long as you give up when the Democrats really need it or want it.

00:08:17.000 They leave you alone.

00:08:18.000 They don't show up in front of your house.

00:08:20.000 You're not getting the hate mail editorial from the Washington Post.

00:08:25.000 And so for a lot of these people, they get to DC, and they forget about the people who actually sent them there and what they actually represent.

00:08:32.000 I've been in the room.

00:08:33.000 I've seen it 1,000 times.

00:08:35.000 I'll go do events for these people, try to help them get elected.

00:08:37.000 Because I mean, not in all cases, but usually a weak Republican is still better than a D.

00:08:43.000 So you go there.

00:08:44.000 You hear the things that they're saying to the people.

00:08:45.000 I'm like, you know what?

00:08:46.000 This guy's not going to be that bad.

00:08:47.000 Or this woman's not going to be that bad. 1.00

00:08:49.000 They're going to be fine.

00:08:49.000 It's maybe not exactly what I want.

00:08:51.000 And then they get to D.C., and it's a totally transformed individual.

00:08:55.000 You know, they feel they really have to answer to the swamp far more than the people that they represent.

00:09:01.000 And again, that's what that dynamic shift is all about right now, because the people they represent are actually paying attention.

00:09:07.000 They've been lied to forever.

00:09:09.000 They no longer just have this blind faith You know, that the person who they heard speak two days before telling them everything they wanted to hear, checkpoint by checkpoint, is actually going to do it in D.C. because guys like us are actually out there calling them out.

00:09:23.000 They see it and they're saying, wait a second.

00:09:24.000 You know, we're putting up their numbers in D.C. and you get a couple thousand calls from your constituency, if you're a congressman or a lot more than that, if you're a senator.

00:09:31.000 And all of a sudden they realize, like, hey, the jig is up.

00:09:33.000 They're on to us.

00:09:34.000 We can't get away with it anymore.

00:09:37.000 If you're going to face accountability, for me, when I get a hate piece from the Washington Post or the New York Times, I look at that as a win.

00:09:43.000 It means I'm over the target.

00:09:44.000 It means I'm actually being effective.

00:09:47.000 They don't view it that way.

00:09:50.000 We've not been playing the same game for far too long.

00:09:52.000 We've been playing T-ball while the Democrats have been playing hardball.

00:09:55.000 I'm fine with either game, but we have to be playing the same game.

00:09:57.000 And I think it's changing.

00:09:58.000 I mean, with people like you, J.D. Vance.

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00:11:02.000 And before I go any further, Don deserves a lot of credit for pushing for J.D. Vance.

00:11:08.000 And understand, the easy way out would have been a typical D.C. Republican.

00:11:13.000 And Don, you pushed for J.D. Why did you push so hard for J.D.? I mean, I did a small little thing, but I mean, you went all in.

00:11:21.000 If it was politics as a poker game, Don took all of his chips.

00:11:24.000 Is that right, Don?

00:11:25.000 Early.

00:11:25.000 And early.

00:11:26.000 And you said...

00:11:27.000 The hand hasn't been even dealt yet.

00:11:29.000 I was like, I'm in.

00:11:30.000 You know what?

00:11:31.000 I got to know him.

00:11:32.000 Actually, it was sort of interesting.

00:11:33.000 I read his book when it first came out.

00:11:35.000 I was like, wow.

00:11:36.000 As he started seeing, we need more people like this.

00:11:38.000 Then it sort of went a different way.

00:11:40.000 And I actually got to know him through some friends of ours.

00:11:42.000 I started hanging out with him.

00:11:43.000 I'm like, man, this guy's a great talent.

00:11:45.000 Just totally gets it.

00:11:47.000 Brilliant.

00:11:48.000 Just an incredible upbringing.

00:11:50.000 Hasn't forgotten that upbringing, which is what so many people tend to do in politics or once they reach some sort of level of success.

00:11:57.000 Got to know him really well.

00:11:59.000 And basically, I mean, I sort of did the pre-endorsement endorsements.

00:12:03.000 It's sort of the unofficial pre-endorsement.

00:12:05.000 You've got to be a little careful getting ahead of DJT.

00:12:08.000 But I did that in his Republican primary when he was just running for Senate.

00:12:14.000 And then, you know, you, me, Tucker, I mean, you know.

00:12:18.000 There was a small band of us.

00:12:19.000 There was a small band that just sort of, you know, really pushed to make that happen because, again, I think we recognized the talent.

00:12:24.000 We had the bandwidth and the time to be able to spend there and figure out what this meant.

00:12:29.000 And once I saw his performance in the Senate, I was like, I mean, there is...

00:12:33.000 There's not many senators you'd want to share a foxhole with, certainly even on the Republican side.

00:12:37.000 But this was the one guy that I was like, wow, that's someone we can build a party around.

00:12:42.000 Because for me, it isn't just about Trump.

00:12:45.000 I actually believe in this stuff.

00:12:47.000 I've been a lifelong conservative.

00:12:49.000 I want this to continue beyond Trump.

00:12:51.000 It's just not, four more years, great, and then we're back to the Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney party.

00:12:58.000 I know.

00:12:59.000 Yes, I am saying what you're saying.

00:13:03.000 And, you know, so it was really about establishing that bench, because that's what scared me.

00:13:08.000 When I looked at 16 to 20, it was like, well, what is next?

00:13:12.000 There was no real standout.

00:13:14.000 There was no this.

00:13:16.000 I mean, you know, it was sort of joking.

00:13:17.000 We were always joking at the time.

00:13:18.000 It was like, even for the 2020-2024 primaries, like, before all that happened and the early stuff, like, you know, I was first or second.

00:13:26.000 I was like, well, that's great.

00:13:27.000 I appreciate the compliment, but, like, we need more than...

00:13:30.000 Don 2028, what do you think?

00:13:31.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:13:33.000 No, JD 2028, JD 2032, Don 2036. Now we got it all figured out.

00:13:39.000 Okay.

00:13:39.000 Well, I mean, it was funny.

00:13:41.000 We were joking around in a text thread earlier.

00:13:43.000 Some poll came out.

00:13:44.000 It was basically, for the 2028, it's JD, then me, basically dominating the entire field right now.

00:13:51.000 And then DeSantis at 4%.

00:13:52.000 I don't know where he was, but it was a far cry.

00:13:55.000 It was very small.

00:13:56.000 It's just important to understand, like, MAGA is the party now.

00:13:59.000 That's not Trump.

00:14:00.000 That's just people who believe in putting America first.

00:14:04.000 That's what it has to be.

00:14:06.000 There's not a Republican party anymore in anything other than name.

00:14:09.000 That's maybe what we still call each other.

00:14:12.000 It's about being America first and, like, sort of feels like that's the way it should have always been.

00:14:17.000 So, Don, we look at this agenda and the team that we've put together.

00:14:22.000 Can you speak about some of these new arrivals in the last 12 months?

00:14:26.000 We had AmericaFest last year.

00:14:27.000 You spoke.

00:14:28.000 You gave a great speech.

00:14:29.000 But I want to go through the list.

00:14:30.000 A year ago, Tulsi Gabbard, Bobby Kennedy, and Elon Musk were not yet part of kind of our team.

00:14:37.000 Amazing a difference a year makes, right, everybody?

00:14:40.000 Now, not only are they part of our team, Elon Musk lives at Mar-a-Lago now.

00:14:44.000 He gets his mail.

00:14:45.000 Can you He's there all the time.

00:14:49.000 It's amazing.

00:14:50.000 He's there with his son, X, and it's really sort of funny.

00:14:53.000 I got sort of a great compliment from him early on.

00:14:56.000 In the first couple weeks of the transition, I was in a meeting, and I'm the guy that sort of takes some pretty aggressive stances and a room of people that's just a little bit more cautious than me.

00:15:05.000 Like, seven times we're like, yes, exactly what we have to do.

00:15:08.000 And it was just great to see people finally, again, willing to fight.

00:15:12.000 A guy like that, you know, maybe one of the greatest minds ever, certainly of our generation, willing to take the time to help set these things up right, to be able to look into the inefficiencies.

00:15:21.000 A guy that's, you know, done more in space than NASA, that had a 75-year head start.

00:15:27.000 Like, I want that guy involved in looking at the rest of the apparatus of government.

00:15:32.000 And so that was great.

00:15:33.000 But no, you're right.

00:15:34.000 I mean, I guess I had a pretty big part in Tulsi and Bobby as well.

00:15:38.000 Just talk about that.

00:15:40.000 Well, so I have a friend, actually, a business partner, Omid Malik, a former Democrat, got sort of blindsided by a lot of the insanity of the left, woke up.

00:15:50.000 I became a donor of ours in 2020, became a real good friend of mine, took a couple of conservative sort of parallel economies, companies, public with me, all these things we were fighting.

00:16:01.000 And he was like, listen, as a former Democrat, I'm friends with some of these people, and you'd actually get along with them really well.

00:16:08.000 There's a lot more that we share in common than, you know, we may not agree on everything, but a lot more.

00:16:12.000 And he sort of started having me sort of back-channeling with Bobby when I saw what the Democrats sort of were trying to do, which was, like, ostracize him from their side, create a cruddle against Trump, try to split that vote.

00:16:25.000 I'm like, you know...

00:16:27.000 DJT actually probably agrees with 90% of what he's saying on so many of these issues.

00:16:31.000 I know they had a history in the past.

00:16:33.000 I was like, let's just do this.

00:16:35.000 And so I basically got Susie Wiles involved and my father, but basically no one else.

00:16:41.000 Because if anyone else gets involved, you understand what happens, right?

00:16:43.000 The leaks happen on purpose.

00:16:45.000 Then they use that leak to try to create a divide.

00:16:49.000 Then they can never possibly get them together, which is why that didn't leak.

00:16:53.000 For the record, I didn't leak.

00:16:55.000 You didn't leak.

00:16:56.000 Charlie was one of the few confidants.

00:16:57.000 I was like, listen, I think I'm landing this plane.

00:16:59.000 Like, I got this thing.

00:17:00.000 He was like, no.

00:17:01.000 You called me the day before.

00:17:02.000 You're like, you don't have this thing.

00:17:04.000 I doubted.

00:17:05.000 I was a doubting Thomas.

00:17:07.000 I was like, Don, you're calling the shot.

00:17:09.000 You're like, it's done.

00:17:10.000 It's done.

00:17:11.000 And the next day we did that.

00:17:12.000 And what was so great about it for me was how well it was received.

00:17:16.000 People actually wanted this stuff.

00:17:17.000 And when you talk to Bobby, and again, when I first...

00:17:21.000 I'm an attack dog, right?

00:17:22.000 When he first came out, I was like, I'm going to attack.

00:17:24.000 And then I got to know him and started listening to the points.

00:17:26.000 I'm like, this is exactly who I'd want at HHS. Looking into the food.

00:17:30.000 And again, create the transparency.

00:17:33.000 The biggest thing that Doge can do isn't even the action.

00:17:33.000 Let people...

00:17:36.000 It's showing the American people the trillions of dollars we have wasted on nonsense, on garbage. 0.83

00:17:42.000 Once they do that, once the American people have an understanding, it won't continue. 0.72

00:17:48.000 But it's the stuff that happens behind closed doors that no one really understands, and they just assume it's being spent well, all of these things.

00:17:56.000 And basically the same thing happened with Tulsi, who I think will also do a great job there.

00:18:01.000 So it's great to have this sort of large tent.

00:18:07.000 We've always talked about that for a while.

00:18:08.000 We've welcomed so many, and we've seen that play out certainly in the electorate.

00:18:12.000 But watching the Democrats basically eat their own for anyone who's not 100% in line with their insane talking points about three-year-olds should be able to get...

00:18:23.000 Gender-affirming care without parental consent. 0.99

00:18:25.000 It's like they'd lost their minds and they killed anyone who was reasonable who didn't just buy into the narrative.

00:18:32.000 And when you look at the sort of the diverse parties that are involved now, the background, I mean, how many former Democrats that have just woken up that are now a part of this administration?

00:18:43.000 I mean, it's incredible.

00:18:45.000 I mean, this is actually a much more real representation of America than anything the Democrats have put up in maybe ever.

00:18:52.000 So I want to open up to the audience in a second, Don, but I'm going to ask about just the questions I get a lot about your father, about how he operates, because it really is unlike anything you've ever seen.

00:19:05.000 And I mean, from the stamina to the capacity to not just campaign, but just this life force.

00:19:12.000 And I mean, you've seen it your entire life.

00:19:14.000 I mean, one story that I could tell just from three days is We were hosting President Trump back to back in Georgia and then Vegas.

00:19:21.000 I did a couple campus events in between, a couple red eyes, and I was like destroyed. 0.79

00:19:27.000 And President Trump had like four campaign events a day, went from Georgia to obviously Palm Beach, to Palm Beach, to Arizona, Arizona, to Nevada, did two events in Nevada, then went and did Rogan's show, then sent to Michigan, came back to 3 a.m.

00:19:42.000 He ended up spending 72 hours awake straight before the election.

00:19:47.000 Is that an exaggeration, Don?

00:19:48.000 No.

00:19:49.000 He did not sleep for three days straight.

00:19:51.000 I mean, this guy is 78 years old.

00:19:53.000 I mean, it's unbelievable, right?

00:19:57.000 It is.

00:19:59.000 I've seen it sort of my whole life.

00:20:00.000 I used to get, when I was younger and dumber, maybe a little wilder on the weekends, I'd get a call at like a Saturday morning at 5 a.m.

00:20:07.000 Let's just say I was probably not in the best shape of my life at 5 o'clock in the morning in my early 20s on a Saturday.

00:20:12.000 And, you know, you'd be like, hey, why aren't you in the office?

00:20:15.000 I'm like, you know, smart-ass Don.

00:20:16.000 It's like, why aren't you in the office?

00:20:17.000 He's like, I am in the office.

00:20:18.000 I'm standing in your office right now, and that's why I know you're not here.

00:20:21.000 I'm like...

00:20:23.000 Give me 20 minutes.

00:20:24.000 I'll be there.

00:20:26.000 It's going to hurt.

00:20:28.000 No, but you saw that with Rogan.

00:20:30.000 I saw it just the day before the election.

00:20:34.000 I consider myself a reasonably high-energy individual.

00:20:37.000 We've seen what happens to low-energy individuals.

00:20:41.000 I'd get thrown out the window of Trump Tower.

00:20:43.000 That doesn't work in our family.

00:20:44.000 And the two days before the election, I watched him literally pull two all-nighters in a row, and I was there.

00:20:50.000 And he was doing most of the speaking.

00:20:52.000 This was actually—I'm the guy that, unlike most in politics, I don't just show up to be in the selfie in the background to be able to show people I was doing something.

00:20:59.000 I say, let him do his thing.

00:21:01.000 You don't need two Trumps in a room.

00:21:02.000 Send me where he can't be.

00:21:04.000 I'm not looking for credit.

00:21:05.000 I don't do that, but the last basically two days, I wanted to be there just because of the historical moment.

00:21:12.000 And we had done everything we needed to do, and I'm watching him do this, and literally two all-nighters in a row, and I'm dying.

00:21:19.000 And he's playing loud music on the plane at four in the morning.

00:21:24.000 I'm like, I just want to die.

00:21:25.000 LAUGHTER I'm like, what is going on here?

00:21:29.000 And then I'm watching.

00:21:31.000 We land.

00:21:32.000 It's 6 a.m.

00:21:33.000 I get home.

00:21:34.000 I take a shower.

00:21:35.000 I'm going to go try to take a nap for two hours before I get back on TV. And 7 a.m., I'm seeing him on TV. And he's just going on through the day.

00:21:43.000 And then we go into election night.

00:21:45.000 And it's another night where he left the auditorium at like 5, 6 in the morning.

00:21:51.000 72 hours.

00:21:52.000 He's 78 years old.

00:21:53.000 Like, I'm 46. And I'm like, I'm dying.

00:21:55.000 I'm dying.

00:21:57.000 And I don't think anyone's ever accused me of being low energy, so that's a pretty solid benchmark.

00:22:03.000 Where does that come from, Don?

00:22:05.000 He's never been much of a sleeper.

00:22:08.000 He's always been passionate.

00:22:11.000 He's a true competitor, and he actually does better.

00:22:14.000 Most people fail under pressure.

00:22:15.000 He's one of those guys that just does better.

00:22:17.000 We talked about resilience when we started this.

00:22:19.000 When you look at the times he's been counted out, Whether it was in business, he just continues to be able to fight back.

00:22:28.000 And when he's put under that pressure, he just does better.

00:22:33.000 I don't think we'll ever see anything like that in politics again.

00:22:35.000 Do you think that the four years off that we had exile was good for us?

00:22:42.000 100%.

00:22:43.000 Trust me, as one of the most subpoenaed human beings in the history of the world, I don't think there's too many people that have done more than 50 hours of congressional testimony than me.

00:22:58.000 The four years of the hell that we went through, whether it's the lawfare, everything.

00:23:04.000 The lawfare, the exile, the attempt of the swamp to push us out, the attempt of the Republican Party to push MAGA out.

00:23:11.000 That was brutal. 0.99

00:23:12.000 It sucked. 0.92

00:23:14.000 But had we actually...

00:23:17.000 Well, I think we won in 2020, just to be clear.

00:23:19.000 But had we just continued...

00:23:21.000 And by the way...

00:23:23.000 I think based on the stats that we saw, where it's just one year, I think everyone else agrees with that now, even the Democrats probably.

00:23:30.000 They may not say it out loud, but I think everyone knows.

00:23:33.000 I think the reality is, had we just stayed in office in 2020, you would have had the same guys that were there who didn't really belong, some of whom are fine, maybe two or three guys that were great, but not many.

00:23:47.000 You would have had those same people that were the unelected bureaucrats. 0.99

00:23:50.000 They just know better.

00:23:51.000 So they're gonna subvert the will of the people, they're gonna subvert the duly elected president of the United States, they'll kick the cannon down the road, they're gonna slow roll it.

00:23:58.000 Now we're starting from scratch.

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00:25:02.000 We're starting from scratch with people who are the true loyalists, the people who get it.

00:25:07.000 The concentric circles of politics are interesting, right?

00:25:10.000 There's like loyal, there's competent, and there's a very small intersection where those things overlap.

00:25:17.000 That's true.

00:25:18.000 I appreciate it.

00:25:20.000 The loyalty is incredible.

00:25:21.000 I love that, but it doesn't mean you should be like...

00:25:24.000 Somewhere in the chain of command.

00:25:25.000 Not everyone who's loyal thinks they should be the Secretary of State.

00:25:29.000 It doesn't always work that way, guys.

00:25:31.000 I love you, but let's be real.

00:25:33.000 Now we know where that concentric circle is, and putting these people into those positions is so powerful.

00:25:40.000 I think, again, you see the reaction from the swamp, both the Democrats and even some of the establishment Republicans, when they saw this going on, they're losing their minds because they understand this is the one true threat to their hegemony.

00:25:51.000 I think in hindsight, they're looking back and be like, you know what?

00:25:54.000 We should have just let it go.

00:25:56.000 Joe Biden didn't exactly do a lot for the Democrat Party.

00:25:59.000 Running Kamala Harris in sort of a coup probably didn't do a lot for the Democrat Party. 0.95

00:26:04.000 I think it actually did us a lot of favors.

00:26:05.000 It opened up a lot of eyes to the insanity, to the lies.

00:26:10.000 They were able to cover that up so much more effectively in the past.

00:26:13.000 That's done.

00:26:14.000 And so, you know, I'm actually like the most grateful guy that we actually...

00:26:19.000 Did it this way than just had an eight-year straight term because I think what we can do now is exponential.

00:26:26.000 What we can do now could forever change the game, and that's something that's grossly needed.

00:26:32.000 You think about it, us with four years in exile, it got rid of all the bad guys without us, like, overnight.

00:26:38.000 Well, they exposed themselves on January 7th and for the coming months and during the primary.

00:26:43.000 Yeah, and we rebuild the government with people that are really good, that know why they're there.

00:26:47.000 I mean, you look across the board.

00:26:48.000 Kash Patel is FBI director.

00:26:52.000 And Tulsi.

00:26:54.000 I mean, it is a rock star team.

00:26:56.000 Let's get to some questions here.

00:26:57.000 Daisy, we have a roving mic.

00:26:59.000 The emphasis on the word questions, not speeches.

00:27:03.000 So, Daisy, why don't you go pick some people and we'll go from there.

00:27:07.000 Thank you for coming.

00:27:09.000 Don, your dad said that in a tweet a few months ago that he would go after any shenanigans in regard to elections.

00:27:19.000 And we know that there was some funny business that went on here in Arizona with Cary Lake, also in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Nevada.

00:27:27.000 Will there be any kind of, or can you speak to your father's resolve to try to investigate and see what happened in these states?

00:27:34.000 Yeah, listen, I think he still understands that there's issues.

00:27:36.000 The reality is what we have to do, and that's why it's not just about Trump.

00:27:39.000 It's about electing down-ballot people.

00:27:41.000 I mean, it's still a states' rights issue, right?

00:27:43.000 The problem is one guy in the federal government isn't going to be able to fix that.

00:27:46.000 Now, you can pressure the states to do that.

00:27:48.000 He obviously has the platform to be able to push that, but that's why it's not just about Trump.

00:27:53.000 It's why, you know, when I'm looking at people, they're like, well, you know, I voted for Trump, but I, you know...

00:27:58.000 But Ruben Gallego would seem like a good guy.

00:28:01.000 It's like, no, these are the people.

00:28:03.000 You saw that in some of these places.

00:28:04.000 You saw Democrats in Michigan and Pennsylvania running ads.

00:28:07.000 We support Trump.

00:28:08.000 We're with him on this.

00:28:09.000 It's like you voted with Joe Biden 99% of the time.

00:28:11.000 You don't support Trump.

00:28:12.000 You are there to block Trump.

00:28:14.000 You'll say whatever you need to do to get elected.

00:28:15.000 So what we have to do is make sure, again, we're not just focusing on that high-level, you know, Presidency, Senate seat, House seat.

00:28:23.000 We've got to be going all the way down to dog catcher so that we can hold these states accountable and make sure that that happens at the state level where these things ultimately should happen.

00:28:31.000 There's a component I'd love to be able to see something happen there, but I could also see the federal government really screwing up elections if they became federalized.

00:28:39.000 Yeah, and from the election standpoint, here's something I think that the Department of Justice needs to do and should do, which is we need to investigate Act Blue, which is the funding mechanism of the Democrat Party.

00:28:49.000 And that might not strike you as election fraud.

00:28:53.000 However, I believe there is illegal foreign money that is being pumped into our election system and is currently corrupting the way that we're able to choose our leaders.

00:29:03.000 Daisy, next question.

00:29:06.000 First of all, I want to thank you, Charlie Kirk.

00:29:08.000 I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for my daughter seeing you at Hospitality Hall up in Las Vegas, UNLV. Awesome.

00:29:13.000 Thank you.

00:29:13.000 Number two, is there any way that you can help me get a picture with Scott Pressler because of what he did for Pennsylvania?

00:29:20.000 Only for our members.

00:29:21.000 We'll get you a picture with Scott Pressler.

00:29:23.000 How about that?

00:29:23.000 And Robert Barnes.

00:29:25.000 I want to shout out to Robert Barnes for what he did with Amos Miller.

00:29:28.000 Thank you.

00:29:29.000 Okay, great.

00:29:30.000 Let's get to the next question.

00:29:32.000 Well, actually it was a question.

00:29:34.000 Can you get me a picture with Scott Bressler?

00:29:39.000 Hi there.

00:29:40.000 I would very much like you to sign the book I've been lugging around too, Charlie.

00:29:47.000 Can you please put that in question form?

00:29:49.000 Yeah, I'm about to.

00:29:51.000 This is Jeopardy.

00:29:53.000 And I did come here to meet my husband because Charlie said I was going to meet him.

00:29:58.000 But I live in a now super sanctuary area in San Diego.

00:30:05.000 They just voted for it to be a super sanctuary. 0.96

00:30:08.000 Ridiculous. 0.93

00:30:10.000 So it's kind of just a curious thing.

00:30:14.000 What are your thoughts on term limits?

00:30:16.000 Because I feel like there's pro and cons.

00:30:19.000 If we actually have somebody that we love in office, then, you know, serve forever.

00:30:23.000 But I would like people like Nancy Pelosi to, you know, get very sick. 0.75

00:30:31.000 Sorry.

00:30:33.000 That was mean.

00:30:34.000 And I love Jesus.

00:30:35.000 Really, I do.

00:30:39.000 I love term limits on paper.

00:30:42.000 I am worried.

00:30:43.000 The one concern about it is that basically what ends up happening is that the staffers end up being the sort of unelected bureaucracy, right?

00:30:51.000 They sort of know how it works.

00:30:53.000 The reality is you don't become a congressman and in two weeks you understand how it works where you carry any clout.

00:30:58.000 And that's not just because of tenure.

00:30:59.000 That's just because you have to figure out how that game is played.

00:31:02.000 People coming from the outside world, especially from our side where you have people that will take a chance from the outside world and go in from business.

00:31:08.000 It's just a different game politically.

00:31:10.000 So, you know, I'm for it generally when you have the dinosaurs that have been there.

00:31:13.000 But you have to give people enough time to be able to get their sea legs off.

00:31:16.000 Otherwise, you have some staffer that may or may not at all be with you that's sort of guiding and or manipulating the elected individual and creating a lot of headaches.

00:31:26.000 So, you know, I love it on paper, but it's not quite as simple as we'd probably all like it to be in terms of terminology.

00:31:32.000 Does it work?

00:31:33.000 Yeah, it works.

00:31:34.000 So it's a great question.

00:31:36.000 I'm in favor of term limits, but California is actually an example of how it doesn't solve all your problems.

00:31:42.000 California has some of the most robust term limits in the country for state representatives and state senators and governors, and look at what it's done.

00:31:48.000 So, but I will say out of the 10 states that have term limits, 9 out of 10 are really well run.

00:31:53.000 California could be called the exception to the rule.

00:31:56.000 But if you think term limits will solve all of your problems, it won't.

00:31:59.000 However, I do think it's necessary because having these multiple decade ruling class oligarchs like McConnell and Pelosi It's totally unhealthy and it's wrong.

00:32:09.000 So therefore, let's think, maybe we need term limits both for Capitol Hill staffers and making sure that Capitol Hill staffers can't do the revolving door and then become lobbyists afterwards.

00:32:18.000 That's to me the bigger one.

00:32:20.000 Making sure that these people don't just get to go and cycle onto the boards of the companies that they've been overpaying and or not negotiating for.

00:32:27.000 And doing sweetheart deals for.

00:32:29.000 Yeah, because it's like, hey, we see that in the military.

00:32:32.000 No general's going to negotiate with Boeing or Raytheon.

00:32:35.000 They just buy the missile at whatever they say it's going to be because they know what their off-ramp is.

00:32:38.000 It's to be on that board.

00:32:40.000 So that creates a big headache.

00:32:43.000 A screwed up incentive structure.

00:32:45.000 But we also have to get rid of this notion that just you get on these ranking committees and these important committees because you've been there longer.

00:32:52.000 And maybe this is where the term limits come because you have people that actually understand banking in Congress, but they don't get to get on those committees because they haven't sat there for 37 years. 0.92

00:33:02.000 So instead you end up with an inept moron that wouldn't know how a mortgage works making trillion-dollar decisions with no business doing so simply because they've been there longer but have no actual subject matter expertise. 0.94

00:33:14.000 And that, to me, is one of the most scary things. 0.99

00:33:15.000 Probably far more scary than just them being there for a long time.

00:33:18.000 Excellent.

00:33:19.000 Next question.

00:33:19.000 Charlie, we have a 10-year-old member here.

00:33:22.000 My mom said if I asked her, she would give me $100.

00:33:32.000 So...

00:33:34.000 Speak money.

00:33:35.000 I want a piece of this action.

00:33:38.000 Will you do the Trump dance with me?

00:33:43.000 I may have lathorism in DJT, so it's...

00:33:50.000 That's right.

00:33:52.000 She gets $100 for that.

00:34:04.000 How great is that?

00:34:06.000 If anyone else wants to give her $100, feel free as well.

00:34:13.000 Hi, Don.

00:34:15.000 I hope I'm not doing the wrong thing, but I'm a music artist in Los Angeles.

00:34:21.000 I've created what I consider is a music video that glorifies your father like nothing.

00:34:28.000 I've been in music all my life and produced it.

00:34:31.000 It's at trumpsongs.com.

00:34:35.000 And I've been trying to get to your father with Ariel Banner.

00:34:37.000 So the question is, should we visit the website?

00:34:40.000 Please.

00:34:42.000 Trumpsongs.com.

00:34:43.000 Thank you very much.

00:34:43.000 Check it out.

00:34:44.000 Thank you, man.

00:34:47.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

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00:35:49.000 Hi, I'm an international student-athlete from Ontario, Canada.

00:35:54.000 And...

00:35:55.000 The great state of Canada?

00:35:58.000 You've got a bad governor there.

00:36:04.000 I mean, I came to America just, one, to play my sport golf, two, to study, and three, just to be able to get a job into America.

00:36:12.000 And I was wondering, because of what everything's going on right now and, like, a lot of the immigration borders, what's to come with visas?

00:36:21.000 Are they going to change?

00:36:23.000 Just because it's very difficult for me to secure a visa right now.

00:36:26.000 I think we're actually very pro-immigration, but we want to be a meritocracy.

00:36:31.000 We want it to be based on merit.

00:36:33.000 We want people to bring value.

00:36:34.000 If you look at people from around the world that want to come into America, there's hundreds of thousands of people that are competent, that would bring value.

00:36:42.000 Add value.

00:36:43.000 But they're not going to be reliable Democrat voters because of that, right?

00:36:46.000 So there's a reason why even under this administration, if you're an immigrant coming from Cuba or Venezuela and you end up on the shores of Florida, you don't get the same treatment as if you're coming across the southern border because what you're escaping is what the Democrats are trying to bring here.

00:37:01.000 And so we're definitely pro-immigration.

00:37:04.000 And again, someone who adds value and isn't just going to be a drain on society.

00:37:09.000 It's something we definitely want.

00:37:10.000 We want to encourage that.

00:37:11.000 We want growth.

00:37:13.000 Frankly, growth is the only thing that's going to get us out of the debt hellhole that we've been living in, $35 trillion.

00:37:20.000 And so I think that's something that we're definitely looking at and making sure we're going to change.

00:37:27.000 We want Elon Musk's, not Elon Omar's.

00:37:29.000 Remember that.

00:37:30.000 Elon Musk's, not Elon Omar's.

00:37:33.000 I like that.

00:37:34.000 You can take it.

00:37:35.000 It's a Charlie Kirk original.

00:37:36.000 I may be stealing that.

00:37:37.000 Thank you.

00:37:39.000 Hi, guys.

00:37:40.000 I just wanted to say thank you for everything that you do.

00:37:42.000 This was my first election voting.

00:37:45.000 So...

00:37:45.000 Alright.

00:37:47.000 And I listen to you every day, Charlie, so thank you for all that you do.

00:37:51.000 My question is, will President-elect Donald Trump finally ban Congress and the Senate from insider trading as no one is above the law?

00:38:02.000 I'll start.

00:38:03.000 This is a problem is that it would require Congress to pass it upon themselves.

00:38:07.000 It's why they don't have to participate in Obamacare either, right?

00:38:10.000 Exactly.

00:38:11.000 So what I think we need to do, and this is why I love Doge, is that the more awareness, the better.

00:38:16.000 So I think that the window on insider congressional stock trading is closing, partially because online you can track the stock deals of what these guys are doing.

00:38:28.000 Nancy Pelosi's stock portfolio is up.

00:38:30.000 She makes Warren Buffett look like a baby investor. 1.00

00:38:33.000 It's like a moron compared to Nancy Pelosi. 1.00

00:38:33.000 It's unbelievable. 1.00

00:38:35.000 It's almost shocking.

00:38:36.000 Honestly, we need to get to a place where the law is, if you're a member of Congress, you should live under the same ethics laws that White House staffers live under.

00:38:36.000 It's hard to believe.

00:38:43.000 And the White House staffer laws is you must put all of your stuff in a blind trust.

00:38:47.000 So why is it that members of Congress who have the constitutionally allowed power of the purse...

00:38:47.000 You know this, Don.

00:38:52.000 Can actively trade stocks, but somebody who works in the White House, even as a low-level White House staffer, can't trade stocks.

00:38:58.000 So if you are a government employee in Congress or the White House, live under the same standard.

00:39:02.000 It's such an easy fix.

00:39:03.000 Just say what the White House staffers do, members of Congress do.

00:39:06.000 Blind trust, you cannot actively trade.

00:39:09.000 Stocks that you yourself are doing business for.

00:39:11.000 These guys are on these committees doing deals for electric vehicles and then getting out of those meetings, calling their stockbroker and say, go buy 3,000 shares of Tesla.

00:39:19.000 I mean, it is corrupt.

00:39:21.000 It's wrong.

00:39:22.000 And so it's something I think the president hopefully will shine a light on.

00:39:27.000 Or family members.

00:39:28.000 No, that's exactly right.

00:39:29.000 Well, I mean, yeah, Pelosi's husband does the same thing.

00:39:32.000 So it is a deeper structural problem.

00:39:35.000 And again, when you talk to these members of Congress, they always evade and dodge this question.

00:39:40.000 And by the way, how repulsive.

00:39:43.000 Yesterday, they were trying to give themselves a 74% pay increase to $247,000 a year.

00:39:52.000 How about this?

00:39:52.000 I'm all for it if they balance the budget.

00:39:57.000 I sort of feel like you get paid to actually do your job.

00:40:01.000 You've got to earn a raise.

00:40:04.000 I have no problem incentivizing someone to actually get something done, but they're definitely not going to do that, so I'm not too worried about it.

00:40:10.000 Alright, one or two more.

00:40:11.000 Yep, Daisy.

00:40:12.000 Hi, I'm from the great purple state of Iowa.

00:40:16.000 So, to form all my grievances into a single question, do I even have to ask it?

00:40:23.000 How in the heck, and I just got a call on my way over here tonight, how in the heck Do we organize, because we are a purple state, to get rid of, we call her Joanie Wonder Bread Ernst, because she wears Wonder Bread bags on her feet. 1.00

00:40:41.000 That's the story she tells.

00:40:43.000 And we got President Trump through in spite of our political class.

00:40:52.000 You mean Ann Seltzer wasn't right about Iowa?

00:40:55.000 Yeah.

00:40:56.000 You know, when we got the call that Saturday night, people were freaking out.

00:41:00.000 And all of us who knew, we just laughed about it.

00:41:03.000 And I have to say, I was really disappointed for the first time in my life that I wasn't a subscriber to the Des Moines Register.

00:41:10.000 Because I was asked to be a plaintiff, but I had to subscribe to the paper.

00:41:15.000 Just so you guys know, the President is suing the Des Moines Register for that poll.

00:41:21.000 And for good reason.

00:41:24.000 John, do you want to comment on that, on Iowa?

00:41:26.000 Listen, it's just another example of sort of what the media did.

00:41:30.000 There was a reason, what was it, Governor Pritzker basically was talking about the poll in some meetings.

00:41:37.000 Before it even came out, which is a huge ethical violation as a pollster.

00:41:42.000 So this was a poll that was designed to dissuade people from getting out.

00:41:46.000 It was designed to demoralize.

00:41:48.000 And I've said this in my stump speeches.

00:41:50.000 I ignore most of the polling these days because it feels like half of it is designed to demoralize you so you stay at home.

00:41:55.000 The other half is designed to make you overconfident so you stay at home.

00:41:59.000 That's what this was.

00:42:00.000 I mean, I saw it.

00:42:01.000 I'm like, we're going to lose Iowa by three.

00:42:02.000 Well, if we lose Iowa, we're not going to win a single other swing stadium.

00:42:07.000 We'd lose Arizona by 10. We'd lose Arizona by 10. We'd have lost North Carolina by four.

00:42:12.000 So it was so ludicrous.

00:42:14.000 But if you weren't in the know and you didn't understand it, like Charlie and I were doing this every day, there are people that were like, oh my God, we're in serious trouble.

00:42:24.000 I was even second-guessing, because I mean, remember, she had a really good track record up until that time of being accurate and honest.

00:42:30.000 And they were more than happy to flaunt that when the poll came out, right?

00:42:32.000 It was the media that then took it, this was the most accurate pollster in whatever, you know, for whatever it was.

00:42:37.000 So, you know, they were trying to do whatever they could to get Kamala Harris those extra...

00:42:45.000 I mean, it should be illegal.

00:42:47.000 To be that glaringly, flagrantly off, to be talking about it with other far-left-leaning governors beforehand, that's clear that this was a setup and designed and intended for one purpose and one purpose alone, and it was not to educate the public.

00:43:03.000 Yeah, and I would just comment.

00:43:04.000 You have a great...

00:43:05.000 I don't know if you like her or not.

00:43:05.000 Your attorney general, I think, is better than Joni Ernst.

00:43:08.000 Yes?

00:43:08.000 No?

00:43:08.000 Yes?

00:43:09.000 Yeah, okay, good.

00:43:10.000 She should primary Joni Ernst.

00:43:12.000 That is the answer to the question.

00:43:13.000 Final question here.

00:43:14.000 Yeah.

00:43:15.000 Hi.

00:43:15.000 I was just wondering if you could go back in time to when you were around 25, what advice would you give yourself?

00:43:23.000 You first.

00:43:23.000 Speaking from a 25-year-old.

00:43:27.000 Don't get involved.

00:43:28.000 Yeah, stay out of politics.

00:43:30.000 Yeah.

00:43:32.000 No, actually, the opposite.

00:43:33.000 Probably get more involved in politics.

00:43:34.000 It was sort of interesting for me.

00:43:36.000 I was always political, but I also grew up in New York City.

00:43:40.000 I was building buildings in liberal cities, Chicago, New York, all over the place.

00:43:45.000 So while I was a lifelong conservative, my first political fundraiser ever was for Andrew Cuomo.

00:43:50.000 And the reason being, he was the Attorney General of the State of New York.

00:43:53.000 If you're building a building, you get an offering plan.

00:43:55.000 It's a book about this thing.

00:43:57.000 You can't sell it without the Attorney General signing off, so you play that game.

00:44:02.000 But for me, being able to do this, it was actually very freeing.

00:44:08.000 Once I got out of New York, and it wasn't just that...

00:44:10.000 It actually opened so many doors for me.

00:44:13.000 It was incredibly cathartic, frankly, once we did get into politics, even in New York, because the sort of fake friends that sort of knew who I was for 10, 15 years prior to that, college, high school, whatever, that turned on you so quickly just because I became vocal, even if they understood what I was.

00:44:29.000 Sweeping them off the table, not having to do that sort of annual obligatory lunch that you're like, I gotta do it because it's a friend from college.

00:44:36.000 It just gave me a clean slate, and I'm just so happy for it now.

00:44:39.000 And when I look at the opportunity for our country as a guy that has five young kids, nothing could be more important.

00:44:48.000 So get involved, stay involved, be unafraid, and fight.

00:44:51.000 I love it.

00:44:51.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:44:53.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - January 02, 2025

How the Base Came Back Better, Stronger, and Tougher — Exclusive Interview with Donald Trump Jr.

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