The Charlie Kirk Show - How the Church Can Help Clinch 4 More Years for President Trump

00:00:00.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:01.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

00:00:03.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:07.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:00:10.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:11.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:12.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.

00:00:19.000 Turning point USA.

00:00:21.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:00:29.000 That's why we are here.

00:00:33.000 What's up, guys?

00:00:33.000 This is David.

00:00:34.000 We are back with another episode of Views from the Porch.

00:00:36.000 I'm joined with the one and only JD Rogers.

00:00:38.000 What up?

00:00:39.000 And for the very first time, Charlie Kirk on the podcast.

00:00:44.000 Honored to be here.

00:00:44.000 Thank you.

00:00:45.000 Dude, thanks for making time.

00:00:47.000 Charlie is a best way of describing political, what would you call yourself?

00:00:54.000 Activist.

00:00:55.000 Political activist.

00:00:58.000 Thank you.

00:00:59.000 All the above.

00:01:00.000 Put me at a higher level.

00:01:02.000 But not just that.

00:01:03.000 He's been in the political scene for the last eight years.

00:01:05.000 He's also a believer.

00:01:07.000 And I thought we'd just start there just to frame up because here's the two things that we share in common: a love for Jesus and a love for this generation, young adults, to know him and to live in light of that.

00:01:18.000 So quickly from high level, your story of faith or, you know, were you raised early on and trusted in Christ then?

00:01:25.000 Or what's kind of your high-level faith background?

00:01:28.000 So third, fourth, and fifth grade, I went to a school called Christian Heritage Academy in the suburbs of Chicago.

00:01:32.000 Yes.

00:01:33.000 Pretty well known if you're kind of in the Chicago Moody Bible kind of world, Wheaton world.

00:01:38.000 It's kind of a feeder system into that eventually.

00:01:41.000 And I gave my life to Christ in fifth grade.

00:01:43.000 I had no idea what that meant.

00:01:45.000 It's kind of one of those things, say the words to make sure you don't go to hell type thing.

00:01:48.000 Jesus in your heart.

00:01:49.000 Amen.

00:01:50.000 But as I grew older, it meant more every single year.

00:01:54.000 And those words that you say in fifth grade that you actually remember, and all those Bible verses they make you recite in third, fourth, and fifth grade, like Isaiah 53, you actually realize there's significant meaning to those things.

00:02:05.000 You actually realize that those are not just incantations for the sake of discipline of a young person, that there's irrefutable truth within them.

00:02:14.000 And so anyway, in eighth grade and then once I went to public high school, faith really started to become something that was a deeper part of my life.

00:02:25.000 And then as I decided not to go to college, that became an even more important part of my faith journey.

00:02:32.000 Grew up in a Presbyterian tradition.

00:02:33.000 My parents left that and kind of church shopped, if you will, landed Harvest Bible Chapel with James McDonald.

00:02:38.000 And he had a very huge impact on my life.

00:02:40.000 Incredible.

00:02:41.000 And Harvest Bible Chapel really, really kind of put me on what I think was sound theology of the inerrancy of scripture, the irrefutable word of God, who exactly was Jesus Christ and kind of how you position your life and configure it correctly.

00:02:56.000 And so, yeah, that's my faith journey.

00:02:58.000 And eight and a half years later, you know, I'm actually doing more in the faith space than I was even the first seven years and happy to unpack that.

00:03:06.000 Just because right now you're seeing an unprecedented intersection of faith and politics.

00:03:11.000 And so I'm on the political side, being a Christian and starting to see a lot of Christian churches start to embrace some of the most dangerous political movements that they have no idea what they're talking about. 0.51

00:03:23.000 And so anyway, I don't mean to overly politicize it this quickly, but that's kind of how I think we're all here today.

00:03:29.000 Yeah.

00:03:30.000 So let me put you on the spot.

00:03:32.000 We got a lot of non-believers, or we have a decent chunk of people who are either early on their faith, they're still figuring out why.

00:03:32.000 Okay.

00:03:38.000 What is the case would you make for why Jesus is ultimately the one that they're looking for?

00:03:45.000 The center of human history, no question.

00:03:47.000 But what anything that you would say, hey, look, here would be the answer to why you need to make the decision.

00:03:53.000 Yes.

00:03:53.000 Jesus is the one.

00:03:54.000 So the gospel in four words, three words, two words, one word.

00:03:57.000 Jesus took my place four words.

00:04:00.000 Three words is him for me.

00:04:02.000 Two words, substitutionary atonement, and one word, grace.

00:04:06.000 There is no other religion, there is no other belief system in the world where you can finally admit you're not enough and God will enter your life.

00:04:06.000 Come on.

00:04:13.000 Go find it.

00:04:14.000 Buddhism is about not talking, saying the right incantations, and trying to find a higher plane of enlightenment.

00:04:18.000 It's all about what you do, even though they don't admit it.

00:04:20.000 That's right. 0.99

00:04:21.000 Islam is about earthly conquest or conquering or following the certain sort of edicts of the Quran. 0.68

00:04:29.000 There is no religion ever where you admit you're not enough, and then that actually gets you admission into the highest possible relationship with Jesus Christ.

00:04:37.000 I can go through archaeologically.

00:04:39.000 I can go through the apologetics of it, of no other act in human history has as much third-party corroboration as the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

00:04:49.000 I can go into how we have first-person accounts, how every single person who knew Jesus Christ and considered him their teacher or the Messiah died, not just died a death in defense of it, but refused to recount it at the very final parts of their death, whether it be James the brother of Christ, which some people debate that, but that's irrelevant.

00:05:11.000 Paul, important side note to what you're saying, they died not for what they believed in, like the cause.

00:05:16.000 They died because they said, I saw the dead man come back from the grave.

00:05:19.000 That's right.

00:05:19.000 It's a very different thing.

00:05:20.000 And people died for this.

00:05:21.000 All across the planet.

00:05:22.000 I mean, the disciples went from India to Rome to Greece.

00:05:25.000 There's even accounts of them going as north to what is now southern Russia, of the gospel spreading.

00:05:29.000 And every single one that knew Jesus Christ and saw him raise from the dead, when they were given an opportunity to go back on that, the dagger's on your throat, they're like, no, I believe it. 0.63

00:05:40.000 Kill me.

00:05:41.000 And so that's a pretty remarkable thing.

00:05:44.000 And then also we have, according, I think it's either Luke or Mark, at least 327 people saw the resurrected Christ post, you know, post-death, resurrection.

00:05:53.000 The story of Paul is completely fascinating, right? 0.52

00:05:56.000 A super wealthy Roman Jew who literally oversees the stoning of Stephen and then immediately turns and becomes the number one spreader of the gospel and really creates the framework for the church as we know it today. 0.81

00:06:07.000 That's right. 0.91

00:06:07.000 And so even beyond that, if that's not persuasive enough for you, which I think is highly persuasive, I go through the writings of Josephus and I can go through all those sorts of things, how there's never been an archaeological discovery that contradicts the Bible. 0.91

00:06:17.000 All of those things are awesome.

00:06:19.000 However, the thing that really, I think is the most important thing is if you give your life to Jesus Christ completely and totally, you will be reborn.

00:06:26.000 We say that a lot.

00:06:27.000 Like, oh, what does that mean?

00:06:28.000 Well, why do we do a baptism?

00:06:29.000 Because you're actually a new person.

00:06:31.000 Your sin does not feel the same after you're reborn.

00:06:33.000 Because all of a sudden you're sinning alongside Jesus.

00:06:36.000 All of a sudden, you're taking Jesus drinking with you.

00:06:39.000 Spirit of God.

00:06:40.000 Amen.

00:06:41.000 And so I highly encourage people to give your life to Jesus Christ.

00:06:45.000 And it's complicated at times.

00:06:47.000 I think it becomes overly complicated in certain theological circles.

00:06:51.000 And the number one thing I tell new believers is to spend time in the Bible.

00:06:57.000 Is the Bible is the only book ever.

00:06:59.000 The more you read it, it reads you.

00:07:02.000 Let him preach.

00:07:03.000 That's true.

00:07:03.000 That's good.

00:07:04.000 That's good, man.

00:07:05.000 So I start there on purpose because some of our audience will have no background with just all the work you're doing.

00:07:05.000 All right.

00:07:13.000 And then some of them will be like, hey, I'm familiar and I may disagree.

00:07:17.000 And I want to make sure everybody knows.

00:07:19.000 If you disagree with that as it relates to Jesus, by that I mean Jesus and him being the center of the universe and you need to make him the center of your life, man, you have much bigger problems than any disagreement you may have related to political.

00:07:32.000 Amen.

00:07:33.000 It's the most important thing.

00:07:34.000 We could end it right there.

00:07:35.000 That's the thing.

00:07:36.000 So from there, going into, you know, you are not just a believer.

00:07:41.000 Those values inform some of your, I would think, the passion that you have for politics, for this generation, for the issues that are infiltrating this generation.

00:07:53.000 I don't know if there's probably a better way to say that, but how did that bridge happen?

00:07:57.000 How did you go from that to, hey, now I'm in the public?

00:08:00.000 Yeah.

00:08:00.000 Imperfectly.

00:08:01.000 Yep.

00:08:02.000 But I could describe it a lot better today than I could have eight and a half years ago.

00:08:05.000 So we could start how I scored it eight and a half years ago, which is I love my country.

00:08:05.000 Yeah.

00:08:10.000 I was raised in a highly patriotic household, very defensive of America by nature and by default, disagreeable by nature.

00:08:19.000 So when teachers would dare insult the country or would go out of their way, I would just find any sort of reason I could grasp onto that our country wasn't as bad as they were saying it was.

00:08:28.000 And growing up in public high school in the suburbs of Chicago, you just kind of become steeped in that kind of disagreeableness if you decide to have that perspective.

00:08:39.000 And so anyway, I never, it's really a great question because I actually was taught that my conservatism and my patriotism was incongruent with my Christianity.

00:08:49.000 Interesting.

00:08:50.000 And it's completely wrong.

00:08:51.000 It's the exact opposite.

00:08:52.000 By parents or right?

00:08:53.000 Well, no, I grew up in a very liberal Presbyterian church.

00:08:56.000 Got it.

00:08:56.000 Okay.

00:08:57.000 And so they'd say that any form of nationalism or any form of love of country is completely against the gospel.

00:09:04.000 You can't believe both.

00:09:05.000 And I was like, that doesn't make any sense, but I don't really care.

00:09:07.000 It's like, you know, it's just kind of like screw you type thing, right?

00:09:10.000 I believe it.

00:09:11.000 And this is like eighth, ninth grade, right?

00:09:13.000 So rebellion was this, that was my idea of rebellion, right?

00:09:15.000 Like going against the Presbyterian church.

00:09:17.000 And now I have a much deeper understanding of first principles and who we are in the state of nature and kind of how we came across our system of governance and why we love our country, all those sorts of things.

00:09:29.000 But like I said at the outset, it was very imperfect at the time.

00:09:32.000 So, but despite that, it happened.

00:09:32.000 Yeah.

00:09:34.000 And you started an organization at 18?

00:09:38.000 It's called Turning Point USA.

00:09:38.000 That's right.

00:09:40.000 And what's a high-level vision for people listening?

00:09:42.000 And if they don't know anything about Turning Point USA?

00:09:44.000 Yeah, I mean, it's gone through many different kind of iterations like any startup.

00:09:48.000 This is as bluntly as I can say it.

00:09:49.000 I want our generation to love our country again.

00:09:52.000 Is that it?

00:09:53.000 It's that simple.

00:09:54.000 We don't.

00:09:54.000 Public polling shows that a majority of our generation has a negative view of America.

00:09:59.000 Does that feel new?

00:10:00.000 Yes.

00:10:01.000 Like last 15 years.

00:10:03.000 It feels like we need another Rocky Four to come out or something.

00:10:06.000 And that like when I was growing up, there was the Zeitgeist just felt so different.

00:10:13.000 I was just on the phone call with a friend from New York who was talking about our differences.

00:10:19.000 We don't need to get lost here, but of the critical way that people are taught to think about the country.

00:10:26.000 And it feels new.

00:10:28.000 Yes.

00:10:29.000 And to your point, Jeremiah 29 talks about seeking the welfare of the city that you're in.

00:10:34.000 1 Peter chapter 4, 1 Peter chapter 2 talks about loving your neighbor, fearing God, honor the emperor.

00:10:41.000 There's a lot of reasons to say, man, I want to be the best possible citizen that I can.

00:10:46.000 I want to see the flourishing of the nation that I'm a part of, knowing we're ultimately citizens of heaven.

00:10:50.000 Amen.

00:10:51.000 It's not where we're spending eternity, but God has done through the Christian Moral Foundation, which we're talking about in a sermon series we're doing right now, a lot of good through the nation.

00:11:02.000 And America is not perfect, has had issues, it will never be perfect.

00:11:06.000 But why do you think there's been such a transition in terms of being critical?

00:11:12.000 Yeah, and look, I actually don't mind criticism.

00:11:15.000 I do mind pathological opposition.

00:11:18.000 And there is a complete difference.

00:11:20.000 If you've created a cottage industry into hating something that's generally pretty awesome, I got a problem with you.

00:11:26.000 And that's what's happened with professional athletes and celebrities, and they have huge influence.

00:11:31.000 And so there's two reasons for this.

00:11:32.000 The first of which is the issue of liberty.

00:11:35.000 Liberty is really hard if you don't have virtue.

00:11:38.000 In fact, liberty will instantaneously crumble a society if you can't handle it.

00:11:44.000 If you do not understand the law, which points us to Christ, Galatians 3, the law is a guardian or a school teacher to Christ, then you can't understand liberty.

00:11:55.000 It becomes self-indulgence slavery quickly.

00:11:59.000 Think about it.

00:11:59.000 You have that supercomputer right there.

00:12:01.000 You could look up anything you want at any time.

00:12:04.000 You could see any picture you want to see at any time, any video.

00:12:07.000 You can communicate with anyone.

00:12:09.000 You can get marijuana.

00:12:11.000 You can get illegal drugs, whatever you possibly want.

00:12:15.000 What makes you not want to do that?

00:12:18.000 Morality.

00:12:19.000 Big go.

00:12:19.000 Without God, morality is nothing more than an opinion.

00:12:23.000 That's right.

00:12:23.000 And so if you have a nation that can't handle liberty, because we have more liberty than any other generation in human history, we're more miserable, then all of a sudden you actually don't have liberty.

00:12:35.000 You're actually then, in some ways, a pseudo-slave to those devices or the sin that you're living in. 0.90

00:12:40.000 And that's why the Christian ethic is a superior ethic: you're going to continue to fail. 0.95

00:12:45.000 You will. 1.00

00:12:45.000 It's a guarantee. 1.00

00:12:46.000 It's built into us.

00:12:48.000 And so, anyway, kind of going back, number one is the issue of liberty.

00:12:52.000 That's one of the reasons why this has fallen over 10 years because we have not, in my opinion, had a moral backstop to be able to instruct young people in particular to deal with the multitude of wealth that we have around us or to be able to do the multitude of choices or the plurality of opportunities.

00:13:09.000 And instead, we are going to screw it up.

00:13:11.000 But if you have no moral framework, then it turns into absolute chaos.

00:13:15.000 That's number one.

00:13:16.000 Number two is that there's been a very concerted effort to get young people to hate our country.

00:13:20.000 It's been well-financed. 0.58

00:13:21.000 It's been very persuasive.

00:13:22.000 It's been multimedia.

00:13:24.000 It's been multi-dimensional.

00:13:26.000 And if you do not come at it from at least some deeper historical background or at least a family background that has really reinforced, I think, the truth about this country, it's very seductive.

00:13:40.000 I get it.

00:13:41.000 And I fight back against it all the time.

00:13:44.000 It's like any trend.

00:13:45.000 We have been trained.

00:13:47.000 The younger generation has been trained to follow trend.

00:13:49.000 And trend, at least a lot recently, has become like all around Black Lives Matter, like being woke, kneeling to the national anthem.

00:14:00.000 There's so many things that you see that if I don't, like I, as a child, the national anthem was like, we're going to sing this thing.

00:14:09.000 Like, we're going to belt this thing out.

00:14:11.000 And it's about to be awesome.

00:14:12.000 And everyone's going to be having their hats off and standing and proud.

00:14:15.000 And now it's like awkward.

00:14:16.000 Like if you go to a football game, you know, it's like, I don't know what's going to happen.

00:14:20.000 Who's going to be kneeling?

00:14:21.000 You're looking around.

00:14:22.000 Who's going to be participating?

00:14:24.000 Yeah.

00:14:24.000 And it's just lost less and less.

00:14:26.000 That's like one example.

00:14:28.000 But the Pledge of Allegiance, like there's so many different things that you look online and you look all over social media, and it's like you're not woke if you are participating in the things that were once so like valuable.

00:14:43.000 Yes.

00:14:43.000 Sure.

00:14:43.000 And I don't bandwagon disintegration of morality because the church is disintegrating.

00:14:49.000 So let me ask you this question.

00:14:51.000 Here's two real quick questions.

00:14:52.000 Based on what you just said, because I totally agree, we've talked about how without morality, and you can only have morality through the Spirit of God, and without the Spirit of God and being directed towards morality, society will crumble that you can't have, can't maintain freedom.

00:15:08.000 And human beings will crumble.

00:15:09.000 Human beings will crumble.

00:15:10.000 So why do you do, why are you not a pastor?

00:15:13.000 Because if you're going, hey, I want to see morality.

00:15:17.000 That's an interesting question.

00:15:18.000 I mean, I've been asked that once or twice.

00:15:20.000 I mean, look, first of all, I don't feel that's my calling.

00:15:24.000 Number two, Martin Luther told us that a true Christian, if they were a shoemaker, wouldn't put a cross in every shoe.

00:15:32.000 That's right. 0.61

00:15:33.000 Tell them the story.

00:15:34.000 So Martin Luther obviously is the reason why we're all here and we're not taking the Eucharist today. 0.81

00:15:38.000 Right? 0.95

00:15:38.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:15:38.000 I mean, that's why you guys are able to marry, thanks to Martin Luther. 0.95

00:15:42.000 That's right, man.

00:15:43.000 Praise God for that.

00:15:45.000 You kind of had a good impact on your life.

00:15:48.000 That was a W. Right? 0.99

00:15:49.000 It was a big win for men. 0.99

00:15:52.000 That's right.

00:15:53.000 And so, but the shoemaker story is Martin Luther's so many coming.

00:15:57.000 No, no dude, you're hitting it spot on.

00:15:59.000 That's a big win for men and women.

00:16:01.000 But he was asked, hey, by some guy that became a Christian.

00:16:04.000 That's right.

00:16:06.000 What should I do with my life?

00:16:07.000 Luther said, what do you do now?

00:16:08.000 I make shoes.

00:16:09.000 And he said, make a good shoe, sell it at a fair price.

00:16:12.000 And he said, act the Christian ethic in everything you do, but you don't have to necessarily put a cross in every shoe to justify that you are pursuing the gospel in it.

00:16:21.000 And I think that's exactly right.

00:16:22.000 And so I'll say this, though, which is really interesting.

00:16:25.000 I mean, I do two podcasts a day.

00:16:27.000 We do two hours of radio a day.

00:16:29.000 And we've brought hundreds of people to Christ through the Galatians 3 model.

00:16:34.000 And this is something, my biggest disagreement with the American church, is that they've stayed away from politics.

00:16:40.000 I think it is the worst decision they could have possibly made.

00:16:43.000 And I'm going to tell you why.

00:16:44.000 Come on.

00:16:44.000 Because there are millions of young people that care more about politics than faith.

00:16:48.000 That's a fact.

00:16:49.000 And if you're not able to communicate to those people, then all of a sudden you're losing a huge opportunity.

00:16:55.000 They're drinking from the streams of liberty.

00:16:57.000 Show them the source.

00:16:58.000 Liberty is not man's idea.

00:16:59.000 It's God's idea.

00:17:01.000 That's also a fact.

00:17:02.000 So when I go to a college campus and we're packing out auditoriums, thousands of young people. 0.98

00:17:08.000 Some are Christians, most are not.

00:17:10.000 And all of a sudden I'm talking about first principles, freedom of speech, freedom of dialogue, strong families, protection of the unborn. 0.86

00:17:16.000 Where do we get these ideas from?

00:17:17.000 Did I just pull them out of my hat?

00:17:18.000 Everyone is referencing the source.

00:17:20.000 Everyone is.

00:17:21.000 So just like Abraham Lincoln, who was never considered to be a Christian, but he cited more Bible verses in his first and second inaugural.

00:17:31.000 And right before he gets shot in the back of the head, he turns to Mary Todd Lincoln and he says, I dream to walk on the streets of Jerusalem in the footsteps of our Savior.

00:17:39.000 Bang.

00:17:41.000 That guy.

00:17:41.000 Really?

00:17:42.000 Corroborated by the Lincoln curator, the Lincoln Museum, three independent top Lincoln historians.

00:17:47.000 That guy understood the Galatians 3 model, that you go to politics and fight for morality, you're going to have the gospel.

00:17:54.000 Is America more free because Abraham Lincoln?

00:17:56.000 Absolutely is.

00:17:58.000 Have more people been able to pursue truth thanks to Abraham Lincoln?

00:18:01.000 Yes.

00:18:01.000 So I'm not comparing myself to Abraham Lincoln.

00:18:03.000 I think that's, you know, I don't want anyone to make that inference.

00:18:06.000 What I am saying, though, is everyone has a different calling to be able to do this.

00:18:08.000 Sure.

00:18:09.000 Right.

00:18:09.000 And I'm unapologetic to state the theology as I see it.

00:18:14.000 I'm not a theologian.

00:18:15.000 You know, I do read the Bible, but there's nuances that Wayne Grudem would be better suited than I would to be able to unpack that, right?

00:18:21.000 Sure.

00:18:22.000 And he's dedicated his multi-decades of life to that.

00:18:25.000 But what I am is I am someone that cares deeply about the political process and cares about what type of country we're handing the next generation.

00:18:33.000 Here's my decision tree.

00:18:34.000 Most important thing you can do in your life is accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.

00:18:38.000 That's right.

00:18:38.000 The second thing is make sure you can do the first thing.

00:18:42.000 What do you mean?

00:18:42.000 Go on.

00:18:43.000 Most of the planet, it is illegal to worship Christ.

00:18:46.000 Oh, got it.

00:18:46.000 I'm fine.

00:18:47.000 In China, they can't do what we're doing right now. 1.00

00:18:48.000 Got it. 1.00

00:18:49.000 Yes.

00:18:49.000 North Korea, they can't do what we're doing right now.

00:18:50.000 That's an interesting way of putting it.

00:18:52.000 And guess what?

00:18:53.000 Last six months, our brothers and sisters in Christ have been penalized, imprisoned, and put at home because they just wanted to have ecclesia, which Christ told us on this rock, build my church.

00:19:03.000 No, ecclesia.

00:19:04.000 He didn't use synagogue.

00:19:06.000 He didn't use temple.

00:19:06.000 He coined a Greek term, a secular Greek term, ekklesia, which means the physical gathering of believers.

00:19:12.000 Yet we kept weed shops open, liquor stores open, strip clubs open, BLM in the streets, home improvement stores and grocery stores, but they took Easter and Palm Sunday from us.

00:19:22.000 Because we didn't get involved in politics.

00:19:22.000 Why?

00:19:25.000 Man.

00:19:27.000 Hey, going back, Lincoln, I thought he was a confirmed believer.

00:19:31.000 It's debated.

00:19:32.000 Really?

00:19:33.000 You know what they said in the newspapers the day after Abraham Lincoln was shot in the head in all the Christian newspapers? 0.93

00:19:39.000 No. 0.80

00:19:39.000 Why was he on a theater on Good Friday? 0.80

00:19:43.000 Of course they did.

00:19:44.000 Moral pietism.

00:19:45.000 Wow.

00:19:46.000 You can look it up yourself.

00:19:47.000 That's crazy, man.

00:19:49.000 Do you think he's in heaven?

00:19:50.000 Absolutely.

00:19:51.000 Anyone who turns to his wife and says, I want to walk where my Savior walked in Jerusalem, that's confirmation.

00:19:55.000 They get the vertical relationship through Jesus Christ.

00:19:58.000 I would think so.

00:19:59.000 All right.

00:19:59.000 So let's go back to the politics thing.

00:20:02.000 You have for years spoken to, again, this generation, which is the one that we work with, young adults.

00:20:07.000 What would you say?

00:20:08.000 Here's two questions.

00:20:10.000 What are the major issues you feel like people are either blindly accepting?

00:20:18.000 Like I'm talking to college students and they all seem to believe this and it's very concerning.

00:20:24.000 Or things that concern you about the generation that they're believing, thinking, operating underneath.

00:20:30.000 And then what encourages you as you go on college campuses and you're having conversations with people?

00:20:38.000 Because it seems like through things like Turning Point and other organizations, there is some shift back in the direction of some of the values that we would say as followers of Christ are great.

00:20:48.000 Families are important.

00:20:50.000 Practicing virtue as a byproduct of your faith in Christ is important.

00:20:54.000 So there's so much overlap in terms of some of the goals that we shared.

00:20:59.000 The mission of Turning Point is different than the mission of the church.

00:21:02.000 But in terms of what is encouraging you, it seems like there's some encouraging stuff going on and what's concerning you as it relates to this generation.

00:21:09.000 Yeah, I'll start with the encouraging and then I'll go to the concerning.

00:21:13.000 There is a renewed sense of learning like I've never seen in our country before.

00:21:17.000 The podcasts that I do that go the deepest and go the longest perform the best.

00:21:21.000 When we are unpacking social contract theory with John Locke and Thomas Hobbes and Jean-Jacques Rousseau, when we are diving deep into Aristotle and Plato, we are unpacking the ideas that built the West.

00:21:31.000 We get the most emails, the most downloads, the most interest.

00:21:33.000 Wow.

00:21:34.000 Learning always leads to an awakening.

00:21:35.000 This is something the church has always gotten wrong.

00:21:38.000 You will not have an awakening if you don't have a citizenry that wants to dive deep into the scriptures, dives deep into why you're falling.

00:21:44.000 Or otherwise, it's going to be the same evangelist giving the same sermon five times.

00:21:44.000 That's right.

00:21:48.000 In the internet age, there's very little tolerance for that.

00:21:48.000 And guess what?

00:21:51.000 People want to dive deeper.

00:21:52.000 They want the five-hour deep dive on the book of Habakkuk.

00:21:55.000 That's not my thing.

00:21:57.000 Okay.

00:21:57.000 Maybe you guys can do that.

00:21:58.000 I don't know.

00:22:00.000 Or fill them up, whatever, right?

00:22:02.000 However, I am optimistic because I see young people that are opening books, that are diving deeper.

00:22:08.000 You might not see it, but there is a thirst for knowledge.

00:22:11.000 When you have chaos happening, a predictable result is that decent people are going to want to understand why.

00:22:20.000 And that's a positive.

00:22:21.000 And so I think that we are on the verge of the next great awakening.

00:22:24.000 It's different than what I think.

00:22:26.000 It's different than most people think.

00:22:27.000 So on the other side of it, let's go to the concerning side of it.

00:22:30.000 I started with the optimistic and we'll go to the pessimistic is I can unpack just some of the what I think are just some of the predominant and prevailing lies that are out there, but just the general one is almost every single conversation that I find issue with in our country right now with our generation comes back to almost a blame America first perspective that our country has of course made mistakes, but we are not a mistake that we have been formed as a country.

00:22:56.000 We are not.

00:22:57.000 The world is a better place.

00:22:58.000 The citizens in this country are a better place for all races, all people, all genders, all backgrounds, all languages, period bar none, defendable by evidence, happy to unpack that.

00:23:07.000 And so when your default position is if you're arguing from a given, if you're almost like creating a geometric equation where you already have the end result in mind and you're reversing the equation, you remember those math equations where you used to start with the answer and you work backwards what the formula would be?

00:23:22.000 That's a problem.

00:23:23.000 That's not inquiry.

00:23:25.000 That's instead, that is you trying to make an argument based on a presupposition you might hold.

00:23:31.000 So you're talking to college students and they come out the opposite perspective of everything you just said about, hey, it's the best for all people, all languages, all those. 0.98

00:23:39.000 Men. 0.87

00:23:40.000 What would the argument be that they would put forward?

00:23:43.000 What's another country?

00:23:45.000 And I'm genuinely curious of like Sweden?

00:23:48.000 Yeah, they would argue the Scandinavian states.

00:23:50.000 They would. 0.95

00:23:50.000 And if they want to live in a country with a bunch of white people, then fine, go there. 0.95

00:23:53.000 Yeah, so when you point that out, what would they say? 0.92

00:23:55.000 Because it's almost entirely homogeneous in terms of.

00:23:58.000 Homogeneous, no immigration.

00:23:59.000 They had no immigration for 35 years. 0.81

00:24:00.000 They also have nationalized health care, something I philosophically and morally disagree with.

00:24:04.000 They do.

00:24:05.000 They think that's a good thing.

00:24:05.000 That's fine.

00:24:06.000 I think Sweden actually handled the virus better than we do.

00:24:08.000 Happy to unpack that differently in a weird way.

00:24:10.000 Sweden was the ambassadors of freedom during this whole thing.

00:24:12.000 However, with that being put aside, Norway gets a tremendous amount of revenues from oil.

00:24:20.000 They don't like fracking and natural gas.

00:24:21.000 But let's just put all that aside.

00:24:22.000 Let's pretend that all those things are not even worthy of cross-examination.

00:24:27.000 Show me 18 out of 20 of the top research institutions are in America.

00:24:30.000 Why?

00:24:31.000 We don't have the most people.

00:24:32.000 Don't have the most oil and natural gas.

00:24:33.000 Why is it we are the first ones to go to space, go to the moon, invent brain surgery, open heart surgery, more patents, cure to polio, more vaccines, more medical breakthroughs, more charitable endeavors, more Nobel Prizes, more Olympic medals?

00:24:45.000 Why is it?

00:24:46.000 What's with our country?

00:24:47.000 People say, oh, it's because you're wealthy.

00:24:48.000 Why are we wealthy?

00:24:50.000 What makes our country wealthy?

00:24:51.000 More people?

00:24:52.000 It's liberty.

00:24:52.000 No.

00:24:53.000 Liberty.

00:24:54.000 And why is it liberty?

00:24:55.000 It's because our founders recognized that rights come from God, not from government.

00:24:59.000 They gave us a framework, constitutions, a structure to actually let people be able to exchange ideas, products, services.

00:25:05.000 And it's been imperfect.

00:25:06.000 We've had problems.

00:25:07.000 But my goodness, have we advanced humanity really far in a short period of time?

00:25:11.000 So in terms of the founding fathers, a lot of people would say they're...

00:25:11.000 Yep.

00:25:17.000 It seems to me there's a lot of misinformation about it. 0.95

00:25:19.000 They're racist.

00:25:20.000 Well, both of them. 0.98

00:25:21.000 That's right.

00:25:21.000 I'm happy to.

00:25:22.000 Deist in a way that is, I think, you know, Jefferson may even disagree with you as he is alive today and painted in the light that we paint in the middle.

00:25:29.000 Let's unpack it.

00:25:30.000 Why, and here I was connecting the dots.

00:25:32.000 I would say the reason all those things have happened is the Christian Moral Foundation has established an environment, a nation. 0.80

00:25:41.000 Again, it's imperfect. 0.93

00:25:42.000 This is not the holy land.

00:25:44.000 Heaven, America is not.

00:25:45.000 I'm not living in Dallas for all of eternity.

00:25:48.000 But God has done unique things.

00:25:50.000 And I would say the reason why this isn't even an important conversation is as believers, we believe that the Christian Moral Foundation is the thing that has led to the exceptionalism of America and the ways that it happens.

00:26:01.000 And it is exceptional, you're right.

00:26:02.000 It has been exceptional, despite having, because that triggered a bunch of people going.

00:26:07.000 That's fine.

00:26:08.000 It's got all these problems.

00:26:08.000 I get it.

00:26:09.000 And I agree with all the prefacing.

00:26:11.000 So the fathers.

00:26:12.000 Yeah.

00:26:13.000 So Thomas Jefferson owned slaves.

00:26:15.000 He also was the first president to say no new slaves into America.

00:26:18.000 1807.

00:26:19.000 He was also the first person to introduce a slavery abolition bill to the Virginia House of Delegates.

00:26:23.000 George Washington, big deist, wrong, Anglican, Bible-believing Christian who read his Bible every night of the Revolutionary War.

00:26:28.000 How about James Madison, architect of the U.S. Constitution, said himself, slavery is a sick sin.

00:26:33.000 It is not a matter of how we get rid of it.

00:26:36.000 It's a matter of how we get rid of slavery.

00:26:36.000 Slavery.

00:26:38.000 How about the Constitution?

00:26:39.000 1787 Bill of Rights ratified in 1791.

00:26:42.000 There is an import ban of slaves that was put in there with the 20-year window, then signed by the third American president, Thomas Jefferson.

00:26:48.000 Let's go back to the Declaration.

00:26:50.000 When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary to dissolve ties, goes on to mention God four times in the Declaration, says laws of nature and nature is God.

00:26:58.000 Vermont was so inspired by that declaration, they abolished slavery the next year in 1777, the first sovereign state on the planet to ever do so.

00:27:06.000 Human norm is human beings owning human beings.

00:27:08.000 Guess what?

00:27:09.000 There's more slaveries on the planet today than there were back then. 1.00

00:27:11.000 Go to the Horn of Africa. 1.00

00:27:12.000 Go to the Middle East. 0.95

00:27:13.000 Go to the southern border. 0.97

00:27:15.000 Go to Central America.

00:27:16.000 Before we start to convince ourselves that we've actually abolished slavery worldwide, we should ask why did we?

00:27:22.000 And then how did we?

00:27:23.000 And were these founding fathers just entertaining the idea of liberty? 0.98

00:27:27.000 Were they complex, sinful, highly contradictory people that were hypocrites? 0.87

00:27:32.000 Yes, because they were human.

00:27:34.000 The question should not be whether or not they sinned.

00:27:36.000 The question should be, why did we stop the macro sin of slavery that predated the United States of America?

00:27:42.000 So a lot of people don't know.

00:27:43.000 You just referenced Jefferson tried to abolish it.

00:27:46.000 Virginia was illegal to lease the law.

00:27:48.000 He introduced the bill.

00:27:49.000 And he introduced the bill.

00:27:50.000 And it got shot down.

00:27:50.000 That got shot down.

00:27:52.000 And he was attempting to release slaves.

00:27:54.000 And we're hanging there because it's something to be about Jefferson.

00:27:56.000 But there is so much lack of education.

00:28:00.000 And I'm not saying that he should be deified.

00:28:02.000 Like, I'm not a Catholic. 0.95

00:28:03.000 That's a good question. 1.00

00:28:03.000 Right. 1.00

00:28:04.000 So I don't think that he should be put St. Jefferson.

00:28:07.000 I am saying that he should be thought of as a hero, brilliant, and incredibly complex.

00:28:15.000 That's a human being.

00:28:16.000 Sure.

00:28:17.000 And when you read those guys, you know, anyways, the morality and the language and even the way that they talk about God, even Jefferson in particular, or all of those guys, there's a strong case to make that lots of them had a, we're going to see them in heaven.

00:28:33.000 They had a relationship with Christ.

00:28:35.000 Imperfect.

00:28:36.000 Many of them.

00:28:37.000 Well, let's go to Thomas Jefferson, who is, they say church and state, right?

00:28:40.000 Separation of church and state.

00:28:41.000 There's nowhere in the U.S. Constitution.

00:28:42.000 It's in a singular letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptist Convention in 1803.

00:28:47.000 Thomas Jefferson invited the Episcopalian choir to perform in the U.S. Supreme Court building when it wasn't being used for hearings.

00:28:55.000 This is one of the biggest lies ever told about America.

00:28:57.000 Oh, we're a deist, atheistic, non-Christian country, wrong.

00:29:00.000 Where does it say that in the Constitution? 0.85

00:29:02.000 They say, well, it says free expression clause and non-establishment clause.

00:29:05.000 They put that in there because they didn't want it to be an Episcopalian, Anglican, or Catholic country.

00:29:09.000 It was never a question of whether or not the Christian bedrock church would be inseparably linked to this republic.

00:29:14.000 And it was very well articulated by Madison.

00:29:16.000 He's like, if you do not preach morals, you're going to screw this thing up.

00:29:21.000 And that's why we've had four great awakenings in this country.

00:29:23.000 The first great awakening by Whitfield and Jonathan Edwards centers in the hands of an angry God.

00:29:27.000 You know who the number one admirer of Whitfield was?

00:29:31.000 Benjamin Franklin.

00:29:32.000 Benjamin Franklin hung out, studied, and understood Whitfield.

00:29:36.000 He said, this guy's onto something.

00:29:37.000 I don't quite know how to unpack it, but I like it.

00:29:40.000 They laid the moral foundation for a people that all of a sudden started to, they stopped listening to King George and started worshiping Jesus Christ.

00:29:48.000 What we have here in Western society is such a blip on the radar of human history where we're able to just have this conversation, live to war 80, have many kids, be more worried about gaining weight than losing weight.

00:30:00.000 The norm of human history was you go fight somebody else's wars and you're probably going to die of a communicable disease by the time you're 15.

00:30:06.000 Which is so depressing in reality for most of, you know.

00:30:10.000 And so I just, part of it is just like, let's be a little bit thankful.

00:30:13.000 Yeah.

00:30:14.000 So it's no secret.

00:30:14.000 Biblical.

00:30:16.000 You lean conservative.

00:30:18.000 That's a minor understatement.

00:30:19.000 Yeah.

00:30:21.000 What would be the issue that you think conservatives are not they are not doing it as well as those who lean liberal?

00:30:33.000 I struggle with this too, is compassion.

00:30:36.000 Compassion's hard.

00:30:39.000 And the left is much better at compassion than we are.

00:30:42.000 And the way my brain is wired is much more in empiricism.

00:30:47.000 It's much more in data.

00:30:48.000 It's much more in facts.

00:30:49.000 It's much more in looking at things as they are.

00:30:52.000 And I think that overindulging in highly emotive stories can become a pathological way of governing, which is very high in pathology, very low in the logos, very low in logic or the pursuit of truth.

00:31:04.000 And so, yeah, I think conservatives generally do a poor job of that.

00:31:08.000 And I also think that conservatives do a really bad job of going to people they disagree with and speaking to them and convincing them.

00:31:14.000 And finally, I think conservatives understandably self-censor far too often.

00:31:20.000 I think that, especially young, they're afraid they're going to lose their job.

00:31:23.000 They're afraid they're going to lose their friends.

00:31:25.000 They're afraid they're going to be called a racist.

00:31:27.000 And I get all that.

00:31:29.000 I get those things every day.

00:31:30.000 Right.

00:31:31.000 And so, and then finally, I think that I'm not saying you guys are conservatives.

00:31:37.000 I'm just saying we in the conservative community, I think that we have to do a better job of explaining the moral roots of conservatism and not giving the left the moral high ground.

00:31:49.000 Because I think we do a pretty good job, as I mentioned, as the empirical high ground.

00:31:53.000 Like our stuff works, but why is our stuff right?

00:31:56.000 Yeah.

00:31:57.000 So we have to do a better job of that.

00:31:58.000 Yeah, that's good.

00:32:00.000 If you saw one issue that you could convince every person in America on, and by issue, I mean, hey, if I could flip one switch tomorrow, you get one switch.

00:32:10.000 One switch.

00:32:12.000 All of a sudden, everyone would just instantaneously agree with.

00:32:14.000 That would kind of be like a non-debated question.

00:32:16.000 In this period of time of where we are right now, that we're not a racist country.

00:32:20.000 We as human beings prior to Christ thought of each other as skin color, tribe, and where you came from.

00:32:25.000 It's Christ that liberated us from that way of thinking.

00:32:28.000 And if all of a sudden the lie that we're a racist country has recreated tribal groups in this country, where we judge people based on skin color, if you start judging people based on their immutable characteristics, we have an entire century to show us how that goes.

00:32:41.000 And only 130 million people were murdered that way.

00:32:44.000 And so if I were to try to just disrupt the programming in one way, and I guess if I could add a second, it's e pluribus unum actually matters, which is part of the American Trinity.

00:32:53.000 So there's a Christian trinity, right?

00:32:55.000 Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

00:32:56.000 There's an American Trinity too.

00:32:57.000 It's on all of our coinage and all of our stamps.

00:32:59.000 E pluribus unum, in God we trust, and liberty.

00:33:01.000 You lose the trinity, you lose the country.

00:33:03.000 So e pluribus unum is a Latin phrase of out of many, one. 0.61

00:33:06.000 Doesn't matter your skin color, doesn't matter where you come from, doesn't matter about your parents.

00:33:10.000 We're all one.

00:33:11.000 Where do they get the idea from?

00:33:12.000 We're all one in the body of Christ.

00:33:13.000 We're all one under God.

00:33:15.000 In God we trust.

00:33:15.000 That one's obvious.

00:33:16.000 And then liberty we've been through.

00:33:17.000 And this is articulated in Article 1, Section 9, Clause 4 of the U.S. Constitution, which says there'll be no heirs to nobility in our country.

00:33:25.000 That should make everyone be like, what were they thinking?

00:33:28.000 Every country prior to America gave some form of heir to nobility.

00:33:33.000 Basically, they just said, your bloodline doesn't matter.

00:33:37.000 Pretty amazing.

00:33:38.000 It's pretty crazy.

00:33:39.000 And we should basically say that's something we should take seriously.

00:33:45.000 I'm just thinking about a lot of people, I think our age kind of get in like political paralysis where they like feel, I know I've felt this.

00:33:57.000 We're actually entering into a political series and I good luck.

00:34:01.000 I'll pray.

00:34:03.000 I asked him for a while to not let me not make me speak on it.

00:34:07.000 And I am.

00:34:08.000 You got to throw into the lines at some point.

00:34:10.000 Yeah, on racism, actually.

00:34:11.000 And I am getting over what has been like paralysis from like a social media standpoint, like using influence, using platform to advocate your beliefs and different things.

00:34:24.000 And I think a lot of people feel that even just like in their interpersonal relationships, in their friend groups, in a lot of different things.

00:34:32.000 And so how would you encourage people not like to lean where they should vote, but how to think about and research?

00:34:41.000 Because also, have you seen Social Dilemma?

00:34:43.000 Of course.

00:34:44.000 Okay.

00:34:45.000 That's a huge buzz right now amongst young adults, social dilemma.

00:34:47.000 And then what you find out from Social Dilemma is the inventors of social media are like, you can't trust anything.

00:34:52.000 It's all an agenda.

00:34:53.000 Watch out.

00:34:54.000 Yes.

00:34:54.000 So now we're like, great.

00:34:56.000 The information in my pocket generation, now my information just got invalidated because now I don't even know what's coming to me, what I can see, what cannot see, all that stuff that we're dealing with.

00:35:09.000 And so where do I go to research?

00:35:10.000 Let's just look at two issues, three issues that should matter for Christians, right?

00:35:13.000 First is life.

00:35:14.000 I think it's a non-negotiable, right?

00:35:16.000 I believe life begins at conception. 0.55

00:35:18.000 I think one of the most moral disasters in the history of our republic was the unconstitutional, illegal ruling of Roe versus Wade that nationalized abortion, right?

00:35:28.000 So states had abortion bans before this.

00:35:30.000 The Burger Court prior to the war in court was super liberal, but the Burger Court went even further and completely nationalized abortion.

00:35:36.000 61 million unborn children have been terminated in the womb since Roe versus Wade.

00:35:41.000 We as Christians are taught biblically to stand up for the innocent.

00:35:44.000 Israel is an important issue, right?

00:35:44.000 How about Israel?

00:35:46.000 We're told to bless the Jews, nation of Israel, who moved the embassy to Jerusalem.

00:35:50.000 And I'm not going to defend every sort of tweet and all that stuff.

00:35:53.000 That's, you know, that's endless.

00:35:55.000 And we've already saw Calvary Chapel Las Vegas sued to the highest level of Supreme Court where John Roberts, Bush appointee, Kagan Sotomayor, Breyer, and Roberts agreed in unity that church was not essential, but a casino was.

00:36:09.000 But Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, Alito, and Thomas dissented.

00:36:13.000 During this pandemic, our Supreme Court came together and said a casino is more important than a church.

00:36:18.000 Happened three months ago, so most believers don't know that.

00:36:20.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

00:36:21.000 And so I get all of the kind of complexities to it.

00:36:24.000 For the news, there's some good sites.

00:36:26.000 There's justthenews.com.

00:36:27.000 Real Clear Politics is really good, which just gives you a list of all the top op-eds that have been published out there.

00:36:33.000 I highly encourage those.

00:36:34.000 Those are really good.

00:36:35.000 If you are a Christian and you're listening, you are called to pray for all those who are in high places.

00:36:40.000 1 Timothy chapter 2.

00:36:42.000 So that you might live quiet and peaceable lives.

00:36:43.000 That's right.

00:36:44.000 So, regardless of who wins, you are called, and I'm called, to spend time praying for even those people I agree with or disagree with, if they are in a position of leadership and authority.

00:36:55.000 All right, last question.

00:36:56.000 Book recommendations.

00:36:58.000 If you were going to recommend, hey, this is a great Christian author.

00:36:58.000 Favorite?

00:37:01.000 You went earlier on apologetic stuff.

00:37:05.000 The Discroll Case for Christ is great. 0.99

00:37:06.000 I highly recommend it for searchers and seekers, I should say. 1.00

00:37:11.000 Seekers. 1.00

00:37:11.000 That's a better term. 1.00

00:37:12.000 A really good book that kind of explains moral governance is the book That Built Your World by Vishal Mangalwaldi.

00:37:18.000 It's phenomenal.

00:37:19.000 He grew up his life in India.

00:37:21.000 He's a Bible-believing Christian, and he makes the articulate defense of what Western civilization is and how the Bible built it and how Christianity built the world that we know today and how thankful we should be for it.

00:37:30.000 He walks piece by piece on how the Bible built the idea of what a hero is in Western civilization, on how we tell stories, on the articulation of our framework, on how we care about the blind and the deaf and how no other civilization did it before Christianity came to the planet.

00:37:45.000 Phenomenal book.

00:37:46.000 And it's told from an incredibly bulletproof theological perspective.

00:37:51.000 It's great.

00:37:52.000 So I highly recommend that one.

00:37:54.000 And then just kind of.

00:37:56.000 If there's a, you know, not Tristan, you go as many books as you want to, but if there's also a, hey, this is a great resource.

00:37:56.000 And political.

00:38:03.000 Yeah.

00:38:03.000 I could tell you a book that kind of tells you what we shouldn't do.

00:38:06.000 It's called the Gulag Archipelago by Alexander Schulzenitsyn.

00:38:11.000 Sounds like a book.

00:38:12.000 Yeah. 0.71

00:38:13.000 It's a book that broke the Soviet Union.

00:38:15.000 Yeah, it is. 0.70

00:38:15.000 Really? 0.70

00:38:16.000 It's actually Solzhenitsyn was an expat from the Soviet Union.

00:38:19.000 He was like, they didn't want this thing published. 0.89

00:38:22.000 And you want to see how dark human beings can be to each other. 0.95

00:38:24.000 It's a wonderful note to end on, right?

00:38:26.000 How dark, like what we shouldn't do is what that book talks about. 0.99

00:38:29.000 Judge people based on skin color, turn people against each other, divide, stop talking, destroy the churches, imprison the pastors.

00:38:34.000 Like he goes, you're like, oh, now I can understand what we shouldn't do. 0.97

00:38:38.000 Sometimes that's actually the most helpful reference.

00:38:41.000 It's like, maybe there's some parameters of like we shouldn't be going towards these sorts of things.

00:38:45.000 And that book, it's called the Gulag Archipelago for a reason because he basically is giving the he's basically giving the funeral address, if you will, to the 100 million people that died under communism.

00:38:59.000 Is there an author?

00:39:00.000 Very uplifting.

00:39:01.000 A author that you like the most on the subject of politics.

00:39:06.000 Thomas Sowell.

00:39:07.000 Thomas Sowell.

00:39:08.000 What's favorite book?

00:39:09.000 Discrimination and disparities by Thomas Sowell.

00:39:12.000 Thomas Sowell's a black economist. 1.00

00:39:13.000 He gets it.

00:39:14.000 And he, you want to talk about woke?

00:39:18.000 That's the actual woke.

00:39:19.000 I mean, he will go, he will go very, very deep and very aggressive in a very good way.

00:39:24.000 Have you met him?

00:39:25.000 No, actually, I've always wanted to.

00:39:26.000 He just turned 90 and he studied under Milton Friedman.

00:39:28.000 He's phenomenal.

00:39:29.000 He's terrific.

00:39:30.000 And basically, one of his major thesis arguments is: do not blame what could be attributed to something else to racism.

00:39:36.000 And that's like one of his main things.

00:39:37.000 Like, you see discrepancy between groups, there might be other reasons.

00:39:40.000 There might be cultural reasons.

00:39:41.000 There might be socioeconomic reasons that might not just be one group doesn't like the other group based on the color of the skin.

00:39:47.000 He's a black economist that talks about it.

00:39:49.000 Other Christian authors, Wayne Grudem, is great.

00:39:51.000 If you have any, if there's any theology students listening to this, I highly encourage you to check out Wayne Grudem.

00:39:56.000 He has books that are this thick going through like biblical political perspectives.

00:40:00.000 So, to answer your question, I encourage you to check out Wayne Grudem's book.

00:40:03.000 It's phenomenal.

00:40:04.000 He's in Scottdale.

00:40:05.000 Scottdale.

00:40:05.000 Yeah, I've hung out with him.

00:40:06.000 He's phenomenal.

00:40:07.000 And he is rock solid.

00:40:09.000 He is really respected in the evangelical world.

00:40:12.000 Totally.

00:40:12.000 Yeah.

00:40:12.000 Great resource.

00:40:13.000 I love it, man.

00:40:14.000 That's all I got.

00:40:15.000 Anything else?

00:40:16.000 Yeah, what do you do outside of politics?

00:40:19.000 You know, I tried having fun once and I hated it.

00:40:21.000 Really?

00:40:23.000 Oh, I love that.

00:40:24.000 I'm so curious.

00:40:25.000 Yeah, I just.

00:40:25.000 You've been asked that question before, clearly.

00:40:27.000 Yeah.

00:40:28.000 Do you nap?

00:40:30.000 I work out like I bike.

00:40:33.000 Bike.

00:40:34.000 I don't really have a hobby, you know, but you eat fast food.

00:40:39.000 Very rarely.

00:40:39.000 You know, it's very funny.

00:40:40.000 I eat like a liberal.

00:40:42.000 I eat kale salads and drink celery juice.

00:40:44.000 Yeah, you do.

00:40:44.000 And don't drink calories.

00:40:46.000 Keep that engine running right, man.

00:40:47.000 Except, wow.

00:40:48.000 And I have my Christian cocaine. 1.00

00:40:50.000 Yeah, you're okay. 1.00

00:40:52.000 I love it.

00:40:54.000 Man, that's it.

00:40:55.000 That's all I got, Charlie.

00:40:56.000 Thank you guys so much.

00:40:56.000 I hope this was helpful.

00:40:58.000 Thank you so much for being here.

00:41:02.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:41:03.000 If you want to get involved at Turning Point USA, go to tpusa.com, tpusa.com.

00:41:08.000 Email us your questions, freedom at charliekirk.com.

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00:41:18.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - November 01, 2020

How the Church Can Help Clinch 4 More Years for President Trump

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