The Charlie Kirk Show - How the Church Changed Virginia—Live from Cornerstone Chapel in Loudon County

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00:00:44.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:46.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

00:00:48.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:52.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:00:55.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:56.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:57.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:01:05.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:01:14.000 That's why we are here.

00:01:18.000 Great to be here, everybody.

00:01:19.000 And we were just kind of catching up backstage.

00:01:21.000 We had some wonderful events today.

00:01:23.000 And this is the center of the American political universe right now, Loudoun County.

00:01:29.000 This is where it's all happening.

00:01:31.000 And we're going to talk about that tonight.

00:01:35.000 But I just want to first say, you have an amazing pastor here at this church.

00:01:38.000 You really do.

00:01:46.000 And as we tell the story of moms and dads stepping up in Loudoun County, you start to see some common themes that this church, proclaiming the gospel, teaching the word of God, doing what it tells us to do in Romans, to proclaim what is good and hate what is evil.

00:02:02.000 All of a sudden, you realize that this church has played a major role in that.

00:02:05.000 So I just want to encourage you and commend all of you because as believers, we're called to do that.

00:02:10.000 Be salt and light and to proclaim the good news and also refute evil where it rears its head.

00:02:17.000 And I believe this church has played an integral role in that.

00:02:19.000 And so I'm honored to be here for that.

00:02:21.000 Thank you for that.

00:02:25.000 Appreciate that.

00:02:26.000 So, Charlie, we're going to be having a conversation tonight.

00:02:29.000 The way that I've kind of explained it to our congregation is that, you know, there are so many things happening in our culture today, but you have started Turning Point Faith as kind of a leg of Turning Point USA because you see, as I do, the importance of the church integrating the church's voice, the evangelical Christian community, and what is happening in our culture.

00:02:52.000 And so we're going to be talking about all these hot topic issues.

00:02:55.000 We're not going to leave any of them on the table.

00:02:57.000 There may not be enough time to talk about all of them, but we're going to touch on the important ones for sure.

00:03:01.000 And we're going to be talking about these also from the standpoint of what's the biblical lens to kind of how do we handle these different issues and what do we what do we do about Them and how do we try to be this salt and light in our community?

00:03:15.000 So, so we're not just here to talk about all that's wrong.

00:03:20.000 We're gonna highlight the things that are wrong that concern us, especially as Christians.

00:03:24.000 But then we're also gonna be talking about this through the grid of God's word and through a biblical worldview.

00:03:29.000 So, that's kind of what this is all about.

00:03:31.000 But explain to everybody, just real briefly, why did you launch Turning Point Faith?

00:03:36.000 Yeah, look, we're all in the fight for liberty, and liberty is not man's idea, it's God's idea.

00:03:40.000 And we, as Christians, we are called to do more.

00:03:46.000 And, you know, I gave my life to Christ when I was in fifth grade.

00:03:49.000 So, any fifth graders out there, I encourage you to give your life to Christ.

00:03:53.000 All right, there you go.

00:03:54.000 Good year.

00:03:55.000 That was the year 2005 when I was in fifth grade, by the way.

00:03:58.000 And it was a good year.

00:04:00.000 Are you serious?

00:04:00.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:04:01.000 Oh, man.

00:04:02.000 And I say it was the most important year in my life when you enter into God's eternal family and you enter into the kingdom of God.

00:04:11.000 As you get older, that means more and more to you.

00:04:13.000 And you realize really what grace is and what your relationship with Jesus Christ is.

00:04:19.000 And I was raised in a Bible-believing church in the suburbs of Chicago, and I was always taught that we as Christians in the church should never comment on what's happening in the news, never comment on what's happening outside of the walls of the church.

00:04:32.000 We just do the gospel, you know, we try to increase our budget, build bigger buildings, and do more baptisms.

00:04:38.000 That's it.

00:04:39.000 And don't question it.

00:04:40.000 And I bought into it.

00:04:42.000 And as I started Turning Point USA, I always felt that I had to be outside of the church, never talk about the church.

00:04:48.000 And then I met my now pastor, Rob McCoy, who's an amazing American, a great man, in Calvary Chapel, Thousand Oaks, California.

00:04:56.000 He said, Charlie, you're looking at this wrong.

00:04:58.000 He said, you're trying to set the captives free.

00:05:01.000 You're trying to fight for liberty and try to make people live virtuous and moral lives.

00:05:06.000 You're trying to fight for a constitutional republic that is a gift from God and try to motivate God's church to do more in that regard.

00:05:14.000 And he made a very compelling argument on how the American church founded this country, on how the American church was the leading force for defeating communism internationally and also some of the Marxist forces here domestically in the 1950s and 60s.

00:05:28.000 And so he was really, he was kind enough to have me speak at his church.

00:05:32.000 And then I went and spoke at Jack Hibbs' church, another great American and dear friend of mine.

00:05:37.000 And I thought to myself, wow, what if the church really stood up and proclaimed with courage the way that Jesus told us to in a time where everything seemed to be falling apart?

00:05:48.000 The church can be the leader at this time.

00:05:51.000 And then the Fauci virus started in spring of March of 2020 and everything gets locked down.

00:06:00.000 And I always thought the lockdowns were going down as one of the worst mistakes in American history.

00:06:06.000 It was bad for everybody.

00:06:07.000 We quarantined our abused abused with the abusers.

00:06:11.000 We had children not be able to have connections with their friends.

00:06:15.000 And for almost no net benefit whatsoever, the forcible lockdowns were a massive mistake.

00:06:19.000 But what really crossed the line for me is when the church was forcibly closed and called non-essential, while abortion factories remained open, strip clubs remained open, and marijuana shops and liquor stores remained open.

00:06:31.000 I said, no, this is not, that dog does not hunt.

00:06:34.000 That is not going to happen.

00:06:35.000 And so I started to speak at churches across the country at a lot of Calvary chapels bringing this message.

00:06:40.000 And it was enthusiastically received because I felt that I was positioned as someone who's kind of been in the political cultural space for nine years to try to encourage and motivate the body of Christ to stand for liberty against tyranny as we were being forcibly closed.

00:06:56.000 I spoke at 50 churches in 2020, and I realized that if there is any hope for this incredible gift that we have been given, as we know, as Western civilization, a constitutional republic of consent of the governed, separation of powers, independent judiciary, and individual liberty and a natural rights doctrine, that hope is the church.

00:07:17.000 That hope is Christians and believers standing up and rising up.

00:07:21.000 And we prayed about this and we said, is it time for all the work we've been doing on college campuses to continue, but now grow and see where we can be helpful in the church space and to find pastors like you and Jack Hibbs and Rob McCoy and Greg Farrington and so many others and to support them and assist them and try to be a part of a coalition to try to have the American church take its rightful place as counsel to the king,

00:07:50.000 as it tells us in the scriptures.

00:07:51.000 So we launched Turning Point Faith.

00:07:53.000 It's still in its infancy.

00:07:55.000 We are having events like this all across the country.

00:07:57.000 We're doing this monthly in Phoenix, Arizona.

00:07:59.000 We're doing Freedom Night in America at Dream City Church, where we're doing everything we can to try to turn Arizona back to its rightful place as a moral and righteous place.

00:08:08.000 And our biggest contribution is we want to be part of a team that realizes, man, it's not going to be secular society that saves us.

00:08:17.000 It has to be the gospel of Jesus Christ.

00:08:19.000 It has to be faith-filled Christians.

00:08:21.000 And I just want to give some examples of this, though, that when we travel the country, we start to see the people that are showing up at school board meetings, the people that are showing up and calling what is good good and what is evil evil.

00:08:32.000 It's Christians. 0.79

00:08:32.000 It's people pouring into the word. 0.79

00:08:34.000 And if we're honest about our history, every single awakening and revival in America is always led by people from the church for the betterment of their nation, their community, and their family.

00:08:46.000 It says in Jeremiah 29, 7, one of my favorite scriptures, it says so clearly, demand, which is the Hebrew word, badrash, the welfare or the shalom, of the welfare or the peace of the nation you are in, because your welfare is tied to your nation's welfare.

00:09:02.000 That's the Lord speaking in Jeremiah 29, 7.

00:09:04.000 We are called to care about what's happening in the nation that we are in.

00:09:08.000 And we have been given a gift, everybody, the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the planet.

00:09:12.000 And we as Christians must realize how good we have it.

00:09:15.000 And that if we do nothing, it's going to collapse around us.

00:09:18.000 And if we do something, not only can we save it, but we can bring it to a level better than it's ever been before.

00:09:23.000 Yeah.

00:09:24.000 Yeah.

00:09:24.000 Amen.

00:09:26.000 So one of my heroes, and I'm sure probably yours, Dietrich Bonofer.

00:09:31.000 And Bonofer said silence in the face of evil is itself evil, and God will not hold us guiltless.

00:09:37.000 Not to speak is to speak.

00:09:39.000 Not to act is to act.

00:09:41.000 What parallels do you see?

00:09:43.000 I mentioned at the Pray Vote Stand Summit that I felt like there were some parallels between what's happening in America and what was happening in Nazi Germany.

00:09:50.000 The right-wing watch, for our friends.

00:09:55.000 No, they're not.

00:09:55.000 They're my publicists.

00:09:56.000 Everything I say ends up on their website.

00:09:58.000 It's a very, you know, yeah.

00:10:00.000 And me not as much, but they've put stuff I've said there too.

00:10:03.000 And one of the things they called me out on was that.

00:10:06.000 Like, what are you saying?

00:10:07.000 The parallels.

00:10:08.000 What parallels do you see?

00:10:09.000 What is startling to you about the path that America is on compared to what we've seen in history?

00:10:16.000 I mean, there's a lot of parallels.

00:10:17.000 And also expand that to the Soviet Union.

00:10:19.000 Winston Churchill, the greatest man to live in the 20th century, he warned us about how will we be able to manage technological advancements while we have moral decline.

00:10:28.000 I want you to think deeply about that.

00:10:30.000 How do you manage things getting quicker and faster and better and yet people getting further and further from what is right, what is true, what is good?

00:10:36.000 It doesn't end well.

00:10:38.000 It ends with a small group of unelected scientists calling all the shots of what is right and what is wrong.

00:10:43.000 The idea of a mad scientist came from 1920s, 1930s, Germany, where they were run primarily through people that thought they could change human nature in itself.

00:10:54.000 The eugenics movement that actually was here in America in the early 1920s, 1930s was this idea of giving an incredible amount of power of unelected, unknown, unchecked scientists, and they will impart their own morality on the rest of society.

00:11:09.000 The Soviet Union was similar but was different.

00:11:12.000 The Soviet Union had a much greater emphasis on the destruction of the family.

00:11:16.000 And this is a characteristic of totalitarian governments that were all throughout the 20th century, which was trying to destroy the bond between a parent and a child.

00:11:26.000 What is the only one of the Ten Commandments, the Decalogue, that comes with a promise?

00:11:30.000 Honor your mother and father so you may live long in the land of which you are in.

00:11:34.000 This is exactly why they're trying to destroy the bond between parents and children here in Loudoun County.

00:11:39.000 A certain person running for a certain office in a certain state says, Of course, parents don't have a say in their children's education.

00:11:52.000 Now, why would he say that?

00:11:54.000 Now, let's go deeper.

00:11:56.000 Why?

00:11:56.000 It's because families keep you free.

00:12:00.000 So simple, obviously.

00:12:02.000 Families are strong.

00:12:02.000 You don't need government programs.

00:12:04.000 Families are strong.

00:12:06.000 You don't need some public sector bureaucrat teaching your ninth grader sexual education. 1.00

00:12:10.000 But if families fall apart, it makes government stronger.

00:12:13.000 The Soviet Union realized this.

00:12:14.000 The Soviet Union went on a deliberate campaign to try and destroy the nuclear family, and they were largely successful in doing this. 0.97

00:12:23.000 In Mao's China, in the Cultural Revolution, they paid children and trained them to turn in their parents if they were anything but completely loyal to the state.

00:12:33.000 And this is where the church needs to not just, you know, say what is right, what is wrong.

00:12:37.000 We have to intervene into the public square and say we will not allow families to be destroyed at the expense of the state.

00:12:45.000 And so, but this is a really important point, which is that the history of the 1920s, 30s, and 40s, they say, oh, it's repeating itself, but why?

00:12:55.000 It's because human nature doesn't change.

00:12:57.000 That's why we know this.

00:12:58.000 Anyone who reads the Bible and gets past Genesis 3 realizes that we are broken by nature.

00:13:05.000 You don't have to overly complicate this, but the left in this country believe human nature is malleable.

00:13:11.000 It is changeable.

00:13:13.000 We believe that there is a default coding within who we are as human beings as broken, sinful, nasty, brutish, short.

00:13:21.000 Now, this is why the Constitution is just as relevant, in fact, more relevant today than it was in the 1780s.

00:13:27.000 And there's an accusation that is commonly thrown at the founding fathers: oh, what are you going to honor a document that's 240 years old?

00:13:34.000 And now, we as Christians should take offense to this because you know what they're going to say next?

00:13:38.000 What are you reading a book that's 2,000 years old?

00:13:41.000 Now, why should we honor old things?

00:13:43.000 Well, if those old things are full of wisdom and they are true, it's because the Constitution was not written for the time, it was written to stand the test of time because it was an observation of how human beings are in their state of nature.

00:13:58.000 And so then we can all of a sudden say, Oh, how are tyrants?

00:14:02.000 How do they operate?

00:14:03.000 Well, they do a couple things.

00:14:04.000 Aristotle said there is an amazing book in book five of the politics of Aristotle 2,500 years ago, book five, chapter 10.

00:14:13.000 He said, Tyrants make people unfamiliar to one another.

00:14:17.000 I wonder what they did in the last year to make us unfamiliar to one another.

00:14:20.000 They keep the schools and gymnasiums closed.

00:14:24.000 2,500 years ago, he wrote this.

00:14:26.000 Because it is the habit of a tyrant to make sure that you distrust your fellow citizen, that dialogue, communication, and community disappears, and one person is able to have a say over the collective.

00:14:38.000 Now, why is that just as true today as it was 2,500 years ago?

00:14:42.000 Because not only are we able to say how human nature was 2,500 years ago, but we know how dictators, tyrants, czars, and Caesars operate.

00:14:51.000 They try to make you distrust your fellow man.

00:14:54.000 They try to make you not want to have some sort of connection to a transcendent order, try to have objective morality.

00:15:00.000 And so, yes, the similarities of the 1930s, 1940s Germany, or 1960s China or 1960s Vietnam are incredibly similar.

00:15:10.000 And here's the other thing.

00:15:11.000 We must dismiss ourselves of this lie.

00:15:13.000 I hear it all the time.

00:15:14.000 It'll never happen here in America.

00:15:15.000 It'll never happen here.

00:15:17.000 Five years ago, if I spoke here at this church, I would say that we had forcibly masked our four-year-olds, that we would have people take vaccines against their will for a virus they already are naturally immunized against.

00:15:30.000 If I would have told you we'd have locked down our country, but we would allow rioting and protesting happening in the streets, you'd say that would never happen here in America.

00:15:38.000 Now, all of you are alert and you're aware of what's happening around you, but we must have the humility that even though we are the greatest country ever to exist in the history of the world, the same tyranny, the same despotism, the same sort of destruction that happened internationally, it can happen here.

00:15:54.000 And it's up to us to stop it.

00:15:54.000 Yes, it can.

00:15:56.000 Yes, it can.

00:16:00.000 Charlie, I want to ask you, you know, sometimes the accusation against Christians who are politically savvy and culturally involved is that, you know, you guys are crossing the line and, you know, keep church in the church, keep politics out of the church, and you guys shouldn't mix the two.

00:16:18.000 I mean, we had candidate Yonkin came by last Sunday and, you know, we welcomed him.

00:16:24.000 The sheriff was here and it was Faith and Blue Week and I brought him up and honored him.

00:16:29.000 And the sheriff's Facebook page lit up because people said, how dare he go into a church?

00:16:34.000 He's an elected official and the separation of church and state.

00:16:37.000 Speak to that nonsense. 0.99

00:16:39.000 Yeah, sure.

00:16:41.000 So I injected my opinion there.

00:16:44.000 You led the questionnaire, Gary.

00:16:44.000 No.

00:16:46.000 How's you?

00:16:47.000 You led me in the right direction.

00:16:48.000 So, yeah, let's start with this.

00:16:50.000 First of all, any Christian that says you should not comment on politics, you shouldn't care what happens in government. 0.93

00:16:56.000 They got to get a pair of scissors and cut out a lot of parts of their Bible.

00:17:00.000 They have to cut out the parts of the Bible where God's people were trying to influence their secular government for his purpose.

00:17:05.000 How about Esther, Mordecai, Nehemiah, Jeremiah, Joseph, just to name a few of people, Daniel, that were trying to influence secular government for God's purpose.

00:17:13.000 It's all throughout the Old Testament that the people of God were trying to be counselors to the king.

00:17:20.000 So let's just start with that one basic fact.

00:17:22.000 And also, in one of the most famous scriptures, Jesus took his disciples up to the Caesarea Philippi, and he asked the question, who do men say that I am?

00:17:29.000 And the dialogue continues.

00:17:31.000 And many people believe it says that Jesus pointed to Peter and said, on this rock, build my church.

00:17:37.000 But the original Greek word that actually the original translator was killed, Tyndale, was killed for actually discovering this.

00:17:43.000 He said, on this rock, build my ecclesia.

00:17:46.000 Now, ecclesia is a Greek term that literally meant community, political gathering.

00:17:51.000 It was a term used in ancient Greece where the citizens of a certain area would fast and pray, come into a room like this, and they would worry about what's happening in their local community.

00:18:00.000 They would even vote in an ecclesia.

00:18:01.000 Now, mind you, the word that Jesus used was, you know, on this rock, he did not say, build my temple or synagogue.

00:18:08.000 Instead, Jesus Christ commanded us, the disciples of him, the followers of Christ, to not have compartmentalized Christianity, but comprehensive Christianity, to care about all things that are happening around us, to care about the moral decay, to care about the instruments of government.

00:18:24.000 So this idea that we as Christians should just not care about what's happening in government, it's not just wrong.

00:18:30.000 It's unbiblical. 0.95

00:18:30.000 That's right. 0.95

00:18:31.000 Let's start with separation of church and state.

00:18:33.000 So I'm sure you guys have heard this from your wonderful pastor before, but repetition is the soul of memory.

00:18:40.000 Which is.

00:18:41.000 Give it, preach it.

00:18:42.000 Thank you.

00:18:43.000 Which is nowhere in the U.S. Constitution does it say separation church and state.

00:18:47.000 It was a single letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Convention, and he's even misquoted in the context of the letter because Thomas Jefferson himself even allowed churches to do religious ceremonies in the Supreme Court building.

00:19:00.000 Let's pretend, though, for argument's sake, that let's pretend that there was separation of church and state.

00:19:06.000 Let's just play it and say this.

00:19:07.000 Let's play by their own false book of rules.

00:19:10.000 Then why don't we keep the state out of the church?

00:19:14.000 Who are they to say that you have to take a vaccine against your will?

00:19:17.000 Who are they to say that you must lock down your doors of the church?

00:19:20.000 Who are they to say that you have to preach a certain word here?

00:19:22.000 Hold on a second.

00:19:23.000 I thought you wanted to separate your church and state.

00:19:25.000 What they're really saying is, Christians, we're afraid if you get involved and try to take over the local government.

00:19:25.000 That's not true.

00:19:31.000 Christians, we're afraid that with your influence and your numbers, you try to run for local office. 1.00

00:19:35.000 They're trying to intimidate you.

00:19:36.000 They're trying to suppress you from actually taking your rightful place as counselor to the king and being leaders in your local, state, and federal elections.

00:19:46.000 And they're doing this through an unconstitutional and immoral stance while they're trying to say, just stay in your place.

00:19:52.000 Hold on a second.

00:19:53.000 They violated that kind of non-aggression principle when all of a sudden they started to go through into the public schools and teach the graphic and portographic sexual education that they're doing in Loudoun County schools.

00:20:04.000 They violated that principle when they started to go after kids and say, you know what?

00:20:09.000 There is no God.

00:20:10.000 And if you dare say there is a God in my local classroom, they'll be graded differently.

00:20:14.000 They violated that principle when they have to take, they tell public school teachers here in Loudoun County that you must call men girls and girls men.

00:20:21.000 They violated that principle.

00:20:23.000 And so instead of us trying to negotiate on their own book of rules, which is not even a correct book of rules, we must say this.

00:20:31.000 We as Christians must understand the founding fathers said clearly, John Adams said, this constitutional republic was made solely for a moral and religious people.

00:20:39.000 It is wholly inadequate to the people of any other. 0.92

00:20:43.000 That this type of government that we have does not, it's not just nice if Christians get involved. 1.00

00:20:48.000 It demands Christian involvement.

00:20:49.000 That's right.

00:20:50.000 This government falls apart if Christians are not involved. 1.00

00:20:52.000 Now, if you want to go live in a collectivist type society, if you want to go live in France or Spain or Italy, where the government is the most important thing, then fine.

00:21:02.000 Christians don't have to get involved there.

00:21:03.000 They could show up on Easter or on Christmas.

00:21:05.000 But if you want to actually have limited government, then you must have big church.

00:21:08.000 If you want to have small government, then you must have Christians involved at every level. 1.00

00:21:13.000 It's because when you have small government, it's hard.

00:21:13.000 Why?

00:21:16.000 You must have virtue.

00:21:18.000 You must have people that know what is right and know what is wrong.

00:21:21.000 You must have strong, volunteer community charity-based institutions.

00:21:25.000 These are difficult things.

00:21:27.000 And if we want to go the way where government runs your whole life, where a small group of unelected tech oligarchs are the most important things in American society, then so be it. 0.86

00:21:37.000 But here's what they really fear, and here's why they posture and they do this.

00:21:41.000 They know that the untapped power and potential of the American church is the greatest threat to their tyranny. 0.79

00:21:47.000 They know that when the American church and Christians, as demonstrated by this Loudoun County example, when all of a sudden that Christians start running for school board, Christians start showing up to these meetings, they lose control. 0.81

00:21:59.000 They know that when moms and dads show up to these local school board meetings and say, hold on a second, why are you teaching CRT to my children?

00:22:06.000 Hold on a second.

00:22:06.000 Why did you cover up the rape of a ninth grader and then transfer that student and lie about it again?

00:22:12.000 We're not going to put up with this anymore.

00:22:14.000 And the American church is not going to tolerate it.

00:22:21.000 Now.

00:22:23.000 Now, those of you who are standing should run for the school board.

00:22:28.000 That's where the rubber meets the road, though.

00:22:30.000 Because the last thing that I want, and I'm sure others want, the last thing is that we just want to be painted as just angry Christians.

00:22:38.000 And we love to quote the verse about Jesus turning over the tables.

00:22:40.000 We don't want the reputation of being against stuff.

00:22:43.000 So you have to be for things.

00:22:44.000 Like, if you want to voice your objection to things, then you have to also be willing to step up and be involved, which is part of what we're talking about here, too.

00:22:53.000 One of the biggest things I hear, Charlie, and then after I ask this, we'll start to take some questions.

00:22:58.000 So, if you want to ask a question, go ahead and get in lines at the microphones.

00:23:02.000 But please, a little word of instruction: it's not an opportunity to pontificate.

00:23:07.000 Don't come to make a statement, don't come to say you're running for something.

00:23:11.000 You know, we ask a question, and you know, we want to be able to answer questions.

00:23:17.000 So, otherwise, we will tase you.

00:23:20.000 Yes.

00:23:23.000 But in love, in love.

00:23:25.000 Yes.

00:23:26.000 Completely in love.

00:23:28.000 And we'll share Jesus on the way down to the floor.

00:23:31.000 But here, so here's my question to you, though.

00:23:34.000 My question to you is: how do you, what's your advice to Christians, the evangelical church, about how to be against things that conflict with scripture and a biblical worldview and still somehow try to win people over in the argument?

00:23:55.000 Yeah, this is really important.

00:23:56.000 I try to do this the best I can.

00:23:58.000 I don't always succeed.

00:24:00.000 We're all imperfect.

00:24:01.000 We're all sinners.

00:24:02.000 I have a tendency to debate a lot of people on the left.

00:24:05.000 Maybe some of you saw my recent debate, the abortion debate.

00:24:08.000 It was kind of a circus.

00:24:10.000 And for him, not for me.

00:24:11.000 It was great for me.

00:24:12.000 It was a lot of fun.

00:24:13.000 You guys should check it out.

00:24:14.000 We're going to University of Vermont, by the way, tomorrow.

00:24:17.000 I think the rioting has already started.

00:24:20.000 It's like ahead of time.

00:24:21.000 It's like they're just trying to get it out of their system.

00:24:22.000 I'm not kidding.

00:24:23.000 It's going to be quite a scene to see.

00:24:25.000 Is Bernie going to be there?

00:24:26.000 He was an invited speaker, but I don't think he's.

00:24:29.000 He's giving free college tuition.

00:24:31.000 That's right.

00:24:33.000 Somewhere.

00:24:34.000 Somewhere in the world.

00:24:35.000 All right.

00:24:36.000 No, he was the former mayor of Burlington, and he won't be there, I don't think, tomorrow.

00:24:40.000 We're going to University of Oregon next week as well, which will be even more interesting.

00:24:44.000 So, yeah, I know.

00:24:46.000 And so this is important, which is: look, Jesus was 100% grace and 100% truth, which is do not have a heart to seek to offend.

00:24:56.000 But if someone gets offended by you telling the truth, that's their problem, not your problem.

00:25:00.000 And people say, Charlie, how can I, what can I do?

00:25:05.000 What can I do to actually make a difference?

00:25:08.000 Be the same person in public that you are in private.

00:25:11.000 Be the same person with your friends that you are at work.

00:25:15.000 Now, that's tough because some people might lose their job because some people might get ridiculed and mocked, and you might get targeted on social media.

00:25:23.000 I fully understand that.

00:25:25.000 But in everything you do, try to make people understand the style of what you're doing is deliberate and factual.

00:25:32.000 It's not incendiary.

00:25:33.000 It's not over the top.

00:25:35.000 But let me be very clear: never waver in the truth.

00:25:38.000 And I'll give you an example.

00:25:39.000 It'd be very easy if I went to college campuses and I tried to water down my message.

00:25:44.000 Now, I'm very clear that men should not participate in women's sports. 1.00

00:25:48.000 I'm very clear that God created man and God created woman.

00:25:51.000 And for whatever reason, the other side gets so incredibly upset on the transgender thing.

00:25:56.000 I really don't care.

00:25:57.000 This is a non-compromising issue for me, which is that biological standards, the science is behind us, the scriptures are behind us, common sense is behind us.

00:26:05.000 And dare I need to give any more example in the last week of kind of how these exit how this can go wrong.

00:26:10.000 And I'll also give you another example.

00:26:11.000 I don't compromise on life when I go to these campuses.

00:26:14.000 That I say that life begins at the moment of conception, and we should not apologize or waiver on that issue.

00:26:20.000 And so, and you know, some people say that I should water it down, or you're not going to win over the people at the University of Vermont.

00:26:33.000 Like, okay, to win them over, I'd have to make quite a lot of adjustments to my worldview.

00:26:38.000 But the truth is a tricky thing.

00:26:40.000 It's actually an amazing thing.

00:26:41.000 It has a way to defend itself once you let it out.

00:26:44.000 And I'm of the opinion that one of the reasons we've been losing the last 20 to 30 years is that we have been trying to pander and water down the truth to try to win over the world and not defend the word.

00:26:58.000 And that does not mean you have to be insulting or incendiary.

00:27:02.000 And there's people that come to my events, and there are people that have had abortions before.

00:27:06.000 I don't try to judge them or try to castigate them.

00:27:10.000 I try to tell them the gospel of Jesus Christ.

00:27:13.000 But if they asked me directly, do you think I made the right choice?

00:27:16.000 I would say no.

00:27:18.000 I wouldn't waver on that.

00:27:19.000 However, I will say that women that have had abortions, I think they're largely victims of an abortion industry that lied to them.

00:27:26.000 And many of them had no idea what was actually being done to them at that time.

00:27:29.000 So a lot of it's stylistic.

00:27:31.000 It's also word choice.

00:27:32.000 It's dictionary.

00:27:33.000 It's how you present yourself.

00:27:35.000 But my number one goal is not trying to pander or try to have people in the middle or try to people say, you know what?

00:27:41.000 You know, he really didn't say much, but I kind of like the way he said it.

00:27:44.000 Instead, I want people to say, you know what?

00:27:46.000 Everything that Charlie did, he stood for truth.

00:27:48.000 I disagreed with him, but he came at it in a factual and a reasonable way.

00:27:52.000 And I think that's the best way to try to go about doing it.

00:27:54.000 Not insultingly and try to also have a lightheartedness about it.

00:27:58.000 Try to have good cheer and try to win over people in that way.

00:28:02.000 But I just want to reinforce this.

00:28:03.000 Never water down your message, everybody.

00:28:05.000 Do not ever, in any instance, try to say something you don't believe because you think it's going to win over a different type of audience.

00:28:12.000 That right there is a massive negative.

00:28:15.000 I think it does more harm than good.

00:28:16.000 Yeah, agreed.

00:28:17.000 Okay, so what I'm going to do is I'm going to go back and forth.

00:28:20.000 I'm going to go microphone and then they're sending me some of these questions that were texted.

00:28:24.000 And then I'll go to this microphone and so we'll just kind of go around.

00:28:27.000 So go ahead.

00:28:28.000 Yeah, please keep the questions short so we can get as many in as possible.

00:28:32.000 Go ahead.

00:28:33.000 Okay, so I think what you've been saying is that the first priority is God and then we have conservatism.

00:28:39.000 But I've also witnessed some conservatives feel like they need to be Christians just because that's what conservatives are or that's where values come from.

00:28:47.000 So how do we actually fit Christianity in conservatism?

00:28:52.000 Is that we need to witness the gospel to people through conservatism while also not falling prey to thinking that we should be Christians just because we're conservatives?

00:29:01.000 Yeah, I haven't experienced that as much, but I'm sure it's out there.

00:29:05.000 So yeah, look, I'm very clear.

00:29:06.000 My life's work is in the second most important thing that you can do.

00:29:11.000 The most important thing you can do is give your life to Christ and win souls for Christ.

00:29:14.000 It's the number one most important thing.

00:29:16.000 The second most important thing is to make sure you can do the first thing.

00:29:20.000 Yeah.

00:29:22.000 My life's work is to make sure churches can remain open, that you don't have to get vaccines against your will, that your children don't have to be taught curriculum that's against your values, to make sure that homeschooling is allowed and legal in the law of the land.

00:29:36.000 That's my life's work.

00:29:37.000 And I make no qualms about it.

00:29:39.000 It's not as important as the kingdom of God.

00:29:42.000 But it is important to make sure all of you know that sometimes the second is needed for the first because there's plenty of examples right here on this planet where this gathering would be illegal.

00:29:52.000 Now, let me say this, though.

00:29:53.000 It's not up for us to try to fit Christianity and conservatism.

00:29:57.000 You try to fit conservatism in Christianity.

00:29:59.000 Christianity is the most important thing.

00:30:01.000 The word of God is the most important thing.

00:30:03.000 The founding fathers understood this.

00:30:05.000 If you go to the founding documents, the document that is cited the most as inspiration by far is the Bible.

00:30:11.000 55 out of 56 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were Bible-believing, regular church attending Christians.

00:30:18.000 This country was founded by Christians, by people that were filled with the word of God.

00:30:22.000 We call them pilgrims for a reason.

00:30:24.000 Usually you call people pilgrims when they go to Israel.

00:30:26.000 We call them pilgrims because they came to a new land trying to start a new covenant, trying to start a new covenant with God on earth, saying that we want to worship you in all ways possible, starting something ex nihilo, which means out of nothing, where they birthed a new civilization.

00:30:40.000 And when you read the writings of Roger Williams, the founder of Rhode Island, of Jonathan Mayhew, of George Whitfield, of Jonathan Edwards, the original pastors and the people in colonial times that actually inspired the American Revolution, you realize that this constitutional republic that we have with the Constitution of the United States that was ratified and started in 1787 after the Constitutional Convention, we the people, these are ideas that are so profoundly biblical that the failure for us to recognize, I think, is a big mistake.

00:31:09.000 But I want to just make sure that I reinforce this point.

00:31:13.000 The most important thing for us and for the church is to win people over for Jesus Christ.

00:31:17.000 And if anyone here tonight that might follow my commentary and might not have given your life to Christ, we'll have an opportunity.

00:31:23.000 I think we're going to do that tonight.

00:31:24.000 Of what is the gospel?

00:31:25.000 The gospel in four words is Jesus took my place.

00:31:28.000 Three words, him for me.

00:31:30.000 Two words, substitutionary atonement.

00:31:33.000 One word, grace, which is no matter how good of a life you live, no matter how many boxes you check, we are all in need of the sacrifice and the gift that is Jesus Christ and you accepting Jesus into your life.

00:31:46.000 You will be born new.

00:31:47.000 You'll be made a new person.

00:31:49.000 And with that, you will be able to enter into eternal life with Jesus Christ, the most important decision you can make in your life.

00:31:55.000 You're right.

00:31:56.000 Well said.

00:31:59.000 So, Charlie, a lot of questions about the vax mandate.

00:32:04.000 So one person texted in, they know that you're fighting to protect schools from the mandate.

00:32:09.000 You know, the real issue is the mandate.

00:32:10.000 People can have a personal conviction about the vaccine.

00:32:13.000 The real issue is government overreach, tyrannical things, a mandate.

00:32:17.000 And so the question is, are you aware of anything happening for federal employees and contractors?

00:32:22.000 We talked a little bit about this earlier, you and me.

00:32:25.000 What's your advice there?

00:32:26.000 Yeah, this is a tough one.

00:32:28.000 I mean, we launched our no-forced mandate vaccine mandate campaign back in July, and we were ahead of the curve.

00:32:34.000 Unfortunately, it's just been an overwhelming deluge of mandates.

00:32:39.000 And so let me, I don't care if you've gotten vaccinated.

00:32:42.000 It's really not my business.

00:32:43.000 I'll tell you my personal medical history if you really want to know.

00:32:46.000 I'm not vaccinated with the Fauci virus vaccine.

00:32:50.000 I don't plan to get it.

00:32:51.000 And if you decide to get it, fine.

00:32:53.000 That's your own decision.

00:32:55.000 I really don't care.

00:32:56.000 If you decide not to get it, then you should never be forced to get it against your will.

00:33:00.000 It's very simple.

00:33:01.000 And I just want to add one thing, though, that I think one of the greatest injustices in American society has been the suppression of treatments that are proving to be rather compelling.

00:33:13.000 And regardless of your stance on the vaccine, the fact we're not even allowed to talk about ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, vitamin D, aspirin, monoclonal antibodies, I think has been one of the great injustices.

00:33:25.000 Even a discussion about it, it gets clamped down on social media, news media.

00:33:30.000 It's a total travesty.

00:33:32.000 And so for federal workers, I'm afraid to say there really is not much hope in sight, minus some judges intervening, which I do hope happens sometime soon.

00:33:41.000 And it's been a real learning lesson to see how few conservatives have stood up at this moment for people that are forced to get the vaccine against their will.

00:33:51.000 So many people in the U.S. Senate and Congress say, what's the big deal?

00:33:54.000 Why don't you just go get it?

00:33:55.000 And they really don't first understand the overwhelming tyranny that's embedded in this.

00:33:59.000 They don't understand the truth of why so many of us are trying to reject it.

00:34:03.000 I don't think they've ever heard about natural immunity before, which is a major issue.

00:34:08.000 And so as long as I have a platform, I'm going to continue to advocate for this.

00:34:13.000 And make no mistake, everybody, a lot of people on the conservative side, they're getting paid off by Pfizer and Johnson and Johnson and Moderna and AstraZeneca.

00:34:22.000 This has been, in my opinion, a refiner's fire.

00:34:25.000 We have seen who on the conservative side really cares about individual sovereignty, the rights of the individual, and also pushing back against this overwhelming leviathan that is trying to force you to get vaccines against your will.

00:34:40.000 And let me just say this with the children.

00:34:42.000 I think it is immoral and it is evil to force children to get this vaccine.

00:34:47.000 And that has to be the line that we do not let them to cross.

00:34:52.000 And so, you know, I just informed our congregation this morning that the State Board of Health is allowing public commentary until midnight tonight, folks.

00:35:04.000 Make your voices known because they want to issue a mandate that all K-12 students and teachers, public and private schools, must be vaccinated and no religious exemption.

00:35:14.000 Also, explain, educate people real quickly, and then we'll go over here to this microphone.

00:35:18.000 But we talked earlier about how the executive order applies to federal employees and to government contractors, but not go ahead and talk about OSHA.

00:35:25.000 Yeah, this is an important distinction.

00:35:27.000 As of right now, there is not an executive order through OSHA for private companies.

00:35:32.000 It does not exist.

00:35:32.000 It's simply a press release.

00:35:34.000 There is an executive order for federal contractors.

00:35:36.000 So you might work for Boeing that technically is a federal contractor, right?

00:35:40.000 You might work for, I know that a lot of people in Northern Virginia work for these companies, which is why I'm saying this.

00:35:44.000 You might work for Lockheed Martin or Northrop Grumman.

00:35:46.000 Therefore, you're a federal contractor.

00:35:48.000 Even if you work for Southwest Airlines, you might be a federal contractor because 5% of their business is a federal contractor.

00:35:54.000 That's where the mandate has applied, and there's a lot of kind of wiggle room there.

00:35:58.000 But right now, if you are working for a private company, and I know this because we're going to sue because we have 195 employees at Turning Point USA, and you're not going to tell me how to run my business Biden regime, like that's not going to happen.

00:36:12.000 And it's not going to happen.

00:36:14.000 That if that order does come down from OSHA, that we'll sue immediately.

00:36:19.000 The order doesn't exist.

00:36:21.000 The OSHA language has not yet been created.

00:36:24.000 It has not been there.

00:36:25.000 Now, it might come anytime soon.

00:36:26.000 It might be impending.

00:36:27.000 I don't think so.

00:36:28.000 I think they know that the courts would overturn it, and they're trying to dictate policy by press release and the threat of it by creating confusion by doing a big press conference and not even having a follow-up policy by saying, like, oh, we said it, therefore people think it's law, even though there's no executive order behind it.

00:36:47.000 And let me be very clear why that executive order was written.

00:36:50.000 It was written as an intervention into the labor market to bail out big business.

00:36:55.000 I say, what do you mean by that?

00:36:56.000 Big businesses were about to lose their best workers and they were going to go to smaller businesses and mid-level businesses that weren't mandating the vaccine.

00:37:05.000 So big businesses, you know, think Goldman Sachs, think JPMorgan Chase.

00:37:10.000 They called up Biden through the Chamber of Commerce and they said, hey, we need you to bail us out and you need to make it seem as if all businesses were going to do this.

00:37:18.000 Therefore, we don't lose 20% of our employees.

00:37:21.000 Because they were about to have a labor shortage of their best employees at top businesses that were about to leave and go to competitors.

00:37:28.000 It was going to create an unvaccinated, non-mandatory, mandatory vaccine, competitive labor market.

00:37:34.000 This was a move of crony capitalist, anti-competitive measure to try to make those of you that are being forced to get the vaccine at private companies think as if you have no choice.

00:37:45.000 And a lot of companies fell for this.

00:37:47.000 A lot of companies like, oh, it's mandated.

00:37:49.000 Be like, show me the executive order.

00:37:50.000 Show me the OSHA order.

00:37:52.000 Now, again, if you are a federal contractor or a federal employee, that is a real order.

00:37:57.000 I don't have great news for you in that way.

00:38:00.000 But if you're a private business, if you're a 200-employee accountant that doesn't do work for the federal government, not a federal contractor, it does not apply.

00:38:07.000 Now, there might be county-level stuff.

00:38:09.000 There might be state-level stuff, but you cannot hide behind that at the Biden level, at the national level or the federal level.

00:38:16.000 By the way, it's just unconstitutional in every way, shape, or form.

00:38:19.000 And sense one, is it your employer's business to tell you what to do with your most intimate medical history?

00:38:25.000 Could you imagine the outrage if all of a sudden that I or Gary or anyone went to their employees and be like, oh, yeah, by the way, I need to see all the medication you're taking, and you're not allowed to take birth control if you work for me.

00:38:35.000 Could you imagine the outrage that would happen in America?

00:38:39.000 That of course it would be overwhelming.

00:38:41.000 And so we actually have more job applications than ever before.

00:38:45.000 It's like, oh, wow, at Turning Point USA, you're not going to force a vaccine.

00:38:48.000 Can I come work for you?

00:38:49.000 We have thousands of people applying for jobs, and I'm going to defend the rights of my employees.

00:38:54.000 It's not my business to ask what their medical history is.

00:38:57.000 And we still need to be a nation of liberty.

00:39:00.000 You make the decisions and pursue the virtue that you see fit, which is at the most fundamental level.

00:39:05.000 Your medical decisions absent some weird creepy boss being like yeah, you must take some vaccine, because I tell you it's like.

00:39:11.000 No, actually.

00:39:12.000 No, that's not the way this works is stop asking questions.

00:39:14.000 Yeah, I mean our own Leesburg TOWN Council, our own Leesburg TOWN Council just this week made it mandatory for Leesburg town employees.

00:39:21.000 And wasn't Rob Mccoy, didn't?

00:39:23.000 He wasn't he also mayor of?

00:39:25.000 Yeah, he was, he was.

00:39:25.000 Somebody needs to run for mayor somewhat.

00:39:27.000 I'm telling you, mayor is one of the most powerful positions in America that people overlook.

00:39:32.000 Mayor is an incredibly important position, including city council.

00:39:36.000 Now, the problem with those is you have to stay till like 2 a.m, going over like the circumference of oak trees at these meetings.

00:39:42.000 Right, it is.

00:39:43.000 It takes us, it's a special type of punishment to sit through a Leesburg government city Council meeting.

00:39:48.000 You're like oh, my goodness, this is what I signed up for.

00:39:51.000 Yes okay, it's called duty, it's called service and do it okay for the greater good.

00:39:56.000 Okay, gets the next question.

00:39:58.000 Good evening, Charlie.

00:39:59.000 Thank you for being here this evening.

00:40:00.000 My name's Mike Hart and my question has to do with a reference you made to the techno-oligarchs. 0.84

00:40:06.000 If I made the pitch that the leftist political power center is not in Washington Dc, that's right, and it is in San Francisco and Silicon Valley, where a certain governor recently won in a runoff.

00:40:19.000 Would I be accurate?

00:40:20.000 And if so, how would we influence that or counter that, that political power in on the west coast?

00:40:28.000 It's a profound question.

00:40:29.000 We have two governments in our country, one we elect and one we log into, and which one's more powerful?

00:40:39.000 They both actually have more power in different ways, but I think currently our tech government is more powerful.

00:40:45.000 The federal government is able to put you in prison, that is true.

00:40:49.000 But if the if the federal government walked in today, like they did with moms and dads, with the school board meetings, with the Department OF Justice, like they're domestic terrorists, like yeah right, we were part of that memo.

00:40:59.000 By the way, at Turning Point Usa, according to the National School Board Association, they said, use the Patriot Act against Turning Point Usa because they have a school board watch list.

00:41:07.000 See, we get unfazed by this.

00:41:08.000 We say, weren't you already using the Patriot Act against us?

00:41:11.000 Like, I guess you weren't.

00:41:12.000 So that's a little heartwarming.

00:41:14.000 Um, I guess it's like, whatever, we already know.

00:41:17.000 We're living in a police state, you know.

00:41:18.000 It's just a matter of time of trying to stop it but yes, at least I get a lawyer when the government comes after me.

00:41:24.000 Yeah, when Google comes after me, there's no right of recourse, redress or grievance.

00:41:29.000 When you try to sue these companies, you just disappear into tech oblivion.

00:41:33.000 Google has thousands of people that work for them and all they do is try to manipulate google search to try to have you and your children spend more time staring at their screens, to try to control your social behavior and your political Viewpoints.

00:41:48.000 The federal government takes off Arbor Day.

00:41:50.000 Like, not exactly, I mean, I know some of you work for federal government.

00:41:54.000 You're probably very hardworking people.

00:41:55.000 Awesome.

00:41:56.000 Great.

00:41:57.000 Please, like, tell your fellow people not to work as hard.

00:42:00.000 I don't want the federal government to work hard.

00:42:01.000 I want them to be slow because what they're doing is bad.

00:42:04.000 Okay.

00:42:06.000 I know that.

00:42:06.000 I know.

00:42:07.000 Not everyone.

00:42:07.000 Okay.

00:42:08.000 There's some wonderful.

00:42:08.000 I just lost half my church.

00:42:10.000 Thanks a lot.

00:42:10.000 No.

00:42:11.000 By the way, when I say that in Texas, everyone's like, standing ovation.

00:42:16.000 When I give that speech in Northern Virginia, it's like, ah, yeah, sure.

00:42:20.000 I forget where I am.

00:42:21.000 That's right.

00:42:21.000 I forgot.

00:42:22.000 It's the wealthiest county in America near the kingdom of Washington, D.C. Remember that.

00:42:26.000 High income, high capital, steady stream of taxpayer dollars come into here.

00:42:30.000 Which is true.

00:42:30.000 And it's not an accusation.

00:42:32.000 There's some phenomenal people that work for the federal government.

00:42:34.000 But we all know there's plenty of things that are happening in the federal government that should not be happening.

00:42:39.000 But the tech government has no check and balance against it.

00:42:42.000 Zero.

00:42:43.000 With the federal government, you could do hearings, subpoenas, oversight committees, budgetary process.

00:42:48.000 Congress doesn't use that authority as often as it should, but the tech government knows all of you are here tonight.

00:42:54.000 They know all of the music you listen to.

00:42:57.000 They know your credit card behavior.

00:42:58.000 They know where you went on vacation.

00:43:00.000 They know your political beliefs.

00:43:02.000 They can track you in real time.

00:43:03.000 We're supposed to believe they're not going to abuse that power.

00:43:05.000 Now, I make the claim, and I'll prove it, that Biden was not elected.

00:43:10.000 He was implemented.

00:43:13.000 And I'll go through this.

00:43:17.000 Our second government that you lost, man.

00:43:20.000 Exactly.

00:43:22.000 The second government that you log into in Menlo Park, California, the CEO of Facebook put $420 million in this last election through the Center for Technology and Civic Life and changed the way we did elections in this country in the most partisan intervention in our elections in our nation's history.

00:43:40.000 That is an unprecedented infiltration into how we do elections by actually hiring the people that count the ballots in many swing states in Gwinnett County, Georgia, in Fulton County, Georgia, in Antrim County, Michigan, in Maricopa County, Arizona.

00:43:55.000 That sort of power, that sort of funding into our democratic process is wrong.

00:44:01.000 It's unconstitutional.

00:44:02.000 It should be illegal.

00:44:03.000 And so what do we do about this second government that's been created?

00:44:07.000 Well, this was my biggest complaint out of congressional Republicans that served in office back when all three chambers of power were there.

00:44:14.000 Instead of cutting corporate taxes of Facebook, Google, and Twitter, why aren't you trying to restrain the power of these tech companies that are dominating our lives?

00:44:22.000 By the way, they're making your children less self-confident, less loving of the Lord, less likely to have functional relationships.

00:44:30.000 I'm going to say something super provocative, but I say it at every place I speak at a church.

00:44:35.000 Parents, your children should not have a smartphone till they're 18 years old.

00:44:40.000 I know, I lose half the room.

00:44:45.000 I want to bring back the jitterbug.

00:44:47.000 Do you remember the jitter bug?

00:44:48.000 The jitter bug.

00:44:50.000 The big phone, like, so some parents say, well, you know, I need a way to get in touch with my kids in case there's an emergency.

00:44:56.000 Get life alert then, okay?

00:44:58.000 Like, seriously, push a button.

00:45:00.000 I need my parents.

00:45:00.000 Like, I need to text with my kids in school.

00:45:02.000 10 years ago, I was in high school.

00:45:02.000 Guess what?

00:45:04.000 10 years ago, I didn't text with anyone in high school.

00:45:06.000 It was great, delightful, wonderful, fulfilling.

00:45:09.000 It was the most amazing experience there was in existence before these awful tech machines that control our lives.

00:45:16.000 Let's just for a moment give our children a gift of going back to that type of existence.

00:45:19.000 Stop giving these companies all the data, the control over your children.

00:45:23.000 I'm telling you, you want to get freaked out?

00:45:26.000 Apple, Facebook, and Google have hundreds of full-time people, hundreds of neuroscientists on full-time payroll earning hundreds of thousands of dollars a year that get five, six, and seven-year-olds that come in and they do experiments on five, six, and seven-year-olds and how to get them more addicted to these devices.

00:45:42.000 You know, they treat your children like lab rats.

00:45:44.000 You know if they can get your kid staring at an iPad at a restaurant.

00:45:47.000 I say this lovingly.

00:45:48.000 And Gary, you know that I say this.

00:45:50.000 If you are the family that goes out to the restaurant and you hand an iPad to your child, stop doing that, please.

00:45:55.000 Please stop doing that.

00:45:55.000 I say that.

00:45:59.000 And I'm telling you, you have no idea the damage it's doing to your children.

00:46:04.000 It is making them tech-obsessed, screen-dependent, less likely to be able to communicate with their fellow citizen or their fellow peer to their generation.

00:46:14.000 And so all that put together, what do we do about it?

00:46:17.000 Well, the biggest thing we could do is stop using them as much, right?

00:46:20.000 But we should sue them.

00:46:21.000 Our elected officials need to go after them. 0.97

00:46:23.000 We need to break up these companies.

00:46:25.000 We need to go after them with antitrust lawsuits.

00:46:27.000 And more than anything else, I think we need to have a total step back of do we actually want this tech tyranny of staring at our phone all day long, being constantly anxious?

00:46:36.000 I don't know about you, but 99% of my interactions with this thing is anxiety-driven.

00:46:41.000 It is.

00:46:42.000 It's the next feed.

00:46:43.000 It's the next thing.

00:46:44.000 I deleted all my social media apps off my phone.

00:46:46.000 It's one of the most freeing and amazing things that I did.

00:46:50.000 And these people, they have a different vision for our country.

00:46:53.000 It's a godless country.

00:46:55.000 It's a technocracy where the tech companies control everything.

00:46:58.000 And so there's a variety of things we can do about it, including using political power to restrain their influence over American society.

00:47:05.000 Well, now I know why you rarely text me back.

00:47:07.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:47:08.000 All right.

00:47:09.000 Next question.

00:47:10.000 That's hilarious.

00:47:14.000 My question is, have you always been a strong Christian and conservative?

00:47:18.000 And how do you like speak to your family and friends who like disagree with your beliefs?

00:47:23.000 It's a great question.

00:47:24.000 Thank you for that.

00:47:25.000 And thanks for being here.

00:47:26.000 I've always been a Christian, but I was afraid to speak out for my faith.

00:47:30.000 Not afraid, but hesitant the first couple years at Turning Point USA because I believed that they were at odds with one another.

00:47:37.000 And now I'm open about everything.

00:47:39.000 And I try in some ways to hopefully show you guys it's okay to do that.

00:47:44.000 And for some people, it's harder to be a Christian.

00:47:46.000 For other people, it's harder to be a conservative.

00:47:48.000 It depends on kind of your environment, of where you are.

00:47:52.000 The answer is no.

00:47:53.000 And when I was first, when I was in the couple early, the early stages of starting Turning Point USA, it's like, man, I don't want to offend people by sharing my faith.

00:48:01.000 And maybe we could be conservatives first and Christians second. 0.69

00:48:04.000 That was a mistake.

00:48:05.000 That we should always proclaim ultimate truth, that there is a creator.

00:48:09.000 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, that we're made in his image, mind, body, spirit.

00:48:14.000 That we are here to try to connect people back with the ultimate promise, which is Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.

00:48:20.000 How do we talk to our families and friends?

00:48:22.000 Well, the first way is by first and foremost talking, which is dialogue comes from two Greek words, dia, which means through, log, which is logos, which means rational speech.

00:48:32.000 The moment we stop having dialogue or having rational speech, we stop being fully human.

00:48:38.000 Now, this is a very interesting question, which is what makes a human being different than a French bulldog?

00:48:43.000 Now, some of you will laugh.

00:48:44.000 Well, if you have a baby and you have a French bulldog, they actually behave kind of the same for the first six months.

00:48:49.000 They're on the floor a lot.

00:48:50.000 They need a lot.

00:48:51.000 But then after six, eight, 12 months, one of them starts talking.

00:48:51.000 They need to be tended after.

00:48:56.000 And the other one never will.

00:48:58.000 Now, I want you to think about this.

00:49:00.000 There's two creation stories, and they both say the exact same thing in Genesis and in John.

00:49:05.000 In the beginning was the word, and the word was God, and the word was with God.

00:49:09.000 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, and God spoke it into existence.

00:49:13.000 That's interesting.

00:49:14.000 In John 1, it says rational speech was there, was with God.

00:49:18.000 In Genesis 1, it says he spoke it into existence.

00:49:22.000 We are the speaking beings, everybody.

00:49:24.000 Our ability to speak is what makes us fully human.

00:49:27.000 Aristotle called us the speaking beings.

00:49:29.000 What does that mean?

00:49:30.000 That means we're able to make sense of a chaotic world using rational speech.

00:49:35.000 If I ask one of you to go in the other room, I say, hey, can you go grab me a pencil?

00:49:38.000 Even if you're five years old, you'd say, oh, that's a pencil.

00:49:41.000 You may have never seen that pencil before, but you know the type of thing that is.

00:49:41.000 I can grab it.

00:49:45.000 That is called the common noun miracle.

00:49:48.000 Only human beings can do that.

00:49:49.000 No other being on this planet can make sense of the world.

00:49:52.000 And all of a sudden, you bring a three-year-old to a farm.

00:49:56.000 You say, that's a cow, that's a pig, that's a horse.

00:49:58.000 You bring it back three weeks later, they'll say, oh, that's a cow that's pig, that's a horse, even though it might look a little bit different.

00:50:03.000 For human beings, this is light work.

00:50:05.000 This is called organizing things in common nouns.

00:50:07.000 It's how we're able to call what is good and what is evil through speech.

00:50:12.000 And so when it says, in the beginning was the word, the word was God, the word was with God, that word word was logos.

00:50:17.000 In the beginning was rational speech.

00:50:19.000 And rational speech was God.

00:50:21.000 And rational speech was with God.

00:50:23.000 This is why the founding fathers understood the first thing they must protect is what?

00:50:27.000 Our ability to talk.

00:50:30.000 Our ability to talk is what makes us fully human.

00:50:35.000 And our ability to be able to look at who we are, oh, wow, that's an interesting point.

00:50:40.000 And actually, it makes us more moderate.

00:50:41.000 It makes us less radical.

00:50:42.000 It makes us more prudent.

00:50:43.000 This is how we learn.

00:50:45.000 And this is exactly why they want to have us stop talking.

00:50:49.000 The less we talk, it goes back to Aristotle chapter 5, book 10 of the politics.

00:50:55.000 Tyrants want to make you unfamiliar with one another.

00:50:58.000 It wants you to stop talking.

00:51:00.000 As soon as you stop talking to your fellow countrymen, your sister, your brother, your mom, your dad, even someone who disagrees with, well, then you're going to start to think things that might not be true.

00:51:08.000 Oh, they believe this.

00:51:09.000 Have you talked to them recently?

00:51:10.000 Have you had dialogue?

00:51:12.000 You want to be fully human?

00:51:13.000 You want to live out how God is.

00:51:14.000 Remember, we're made in the image of God.

00:51:16.000 Got to keep talking.

00:51:17.000 We have to keep on trying to pursue what is truth through our conversations.

00:51:22.000 And that's a gift that God has given us.

00:51:24.000 Jesus himself, he was the ultimate communicator.

00:51:24.000 It truly is.

00:51:29.000 He went into places where he was hated at an absolute core and proclaimed truth.

00:51:33.000 And no matter what, they were never able to trip him up.

00:51:36.000 And so I just want to encourage you and all of you that might have liberals in your life or people on the others, might be liberals here up tonight, by the way.

00:51:42.000 Glad you're here.

00:51:43.000 And my people on the other side, don't stop talking.

00:51:48.000 Bring them towards truth.

00:51:50.000 Ask questions.

00:51:51.000 It was the greatest way that Jesus communicated by asking, who do men say that I am?

00:51:56.000 What's the right way for man to live?

00:51:59.000 This is the fundamental way of how we communicate and how we're able to use God's greatest gift to us, which is in the beginning was the word and God spoke it into existence.

00:52:08.000 We need to keep talking.

00:52:09.000 And with that, we'll bring people to truth.

00:52:11.000 Yeah.

00:52:13.000 So someone asks, why do you think, why do you think, what do you think of the growing number of Americans willing to become more convinced that communism is better than capitalism?

00:52:29.000 There's a rising trend, especially among millennials and Gen X and Gen Zers, that socialism and communism is better than what we have in America.

00:52:37.000 Yeah, I'm going to give the non-politically correct answer, which, by the way, if you want the definition of politically correct, it's that which the left hates.

00:52:44.000 It's that simple.

00:52:45.000 So it's very simple, which is the less secular, the more secular America becomes, the less free we are.

00:52:53.000 The less people that go to church, the more people need a replacement for church.

00:52:58.000 And they need a secular religion.

00:52:59.000 And that secular religion might be deifying Anthony Fauci.

00:53:04.000 It might be trying to believe in the government being the center of all community.

00:53:09.000 It might be in a heavy-hand social programs.

00:53:12.000 And so, yes, as America becomes less religious, America is the least religious it has ever been at this very moment.

00:53:19.000 There are more people that are a-religious and non-religious in America than are religious.

00:53:23.000 And we have always been told to believe that religion is the source of all of our problems.

00:53:28.000 It's the opposite of the truth.

00:53:30.000 It's that as we get away from the church, as we get away from community, as we get away from objective morality and a transcendent order, we become significantly less free.

00:53:40.000 You look at every country.

00:53:42.000 As soon as you abolish Christianity, the Bible, as people stop going to church, all of a sudden they're going to need a replacement for that. 0.96

00:53:48.000 Oh, yeah, why don't we just give that guy all the power? 0.78

00:53:51.000 Why does the left hate the church?

00:53:54.000 Because when you guys did worship for 15 minutes here, all of you were acknowledging something politically without you realizing it.

00:54:00.000 That the ultimate authority in America is God, not government.

00:54:04.000 All of you were saying that.

00:54:05.000 That there is, it was in the lyrics.

00:54:08.000 It said, There is nothing better than you.

00:54:11.000 That was one of the songs you guys sang.

00:54:14.000 That means that God is greater than the CDC.

00:54:17.000 It means that God is greater than AstraZeneca.

00:54:19.000 It means God is greater than the IRS.

00:54:22.000 That God is greater than all of the secular earthly structures that you have created.

00:54:27.000 That sort of recognition of an ultimate transcendent authority is something that the statists, the collectivists, and the socialists hate.

00:54:35.000 So why are people embracing this?

00:54:37.000 Some of it is because they need a replacement for the God-sized hole that they have in their heart.

00:54:42.000 They need to replace it with something.

00:54:43.000 So they say, okay, why don't we replace it with heavy government programs?

00:54:47.000 And maybe they've been burned by religion in the past.

00:54:49.000 Maybe they think that religion is the root of all things terrible.

00:54:52.000 And these are all misconceptions.

00:54:54.000 But here is a good thing, and I got this from Dennis Prager.

00:54:56.000 I think this is phenomenal.

00:54:58.000 You're in an alley at 2 a.m.

00:55:01.000 And it's a dark alley, and you see five men approaching you.

00:55:04.000 You have a choice.

00:55:05.000 Either you can have the choice that you know that those five men were just at a Bible study or those five men were just at the bar.

00:55:14.000 Which do you choose?

00:55:16.000 Every American, if they're honest, would say the five men were just at a Bible study.

00:55:20.000 Because deep down, they know that if people take the Bible seriously, it betters their life.

00:55:27.000 No matter, you can say, oh, it's worse for society.

00:55:28.000 That's not, you know, that's not true.

00:55:30.000 We know that the fruit of the scriptures create better people and decent people.

00:55:34.000 And so, look, secularism and socialism are directly tied together.

00:55:38.000 They know they must abolish our relationship with the Lord and they replace it with a different type of religion. 0.98

00:55:43.000 And look, I'll just kind of get into this idea of like the rise of biblical socialism.

00:55:47.000 Socialism is directly against what the Bible teaches.

00:55:50.000 First of all, it's against two of the Ten Commandments: thou shalt not steal and thou shalt not covet.

00:55:54.000 And not to mention social, embedded in socialism is a belief that you can perfect man, that man can be perfected with more programs, more intervention.

00:56:04.000 It has a priority in abolishing the family, getting rid of private property, and try to micromanage your decisions.

00:56:10.000 All these things are against how we are called to be as Christians.

00:56:14.000 Now, here's an interesting question, if I can.

00:56:16.000 Do we as Christians believe people want to be free in their state of nature?

00:56:20.000 Now, the body of Christ has different answers on this, but the Bible is very clear.

00:56:25.000 Now, after Moses, led by God, led the people of Israel out of Egypt.

00:56:31.000 Remember, they were in slavery.

00:56:32.000 It was a terrible time.

00:56:35.000 They were in the deserts.

00:56:36.000 I think it's Sinai Desert, right?

00:56:36.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:56:37.000 And they were doing okay.

00:56:40.000 Quail was blown off course.

00:56:41.000 Manna was dropped from heaven.

00:56:43.000 And eventually, the people of Israel start to complain.

00:56:47.000 And they say, who's this Moses guy?

00:56:49.000 Why are we here?

00:56:50.000 And I kid you not, a direct quote from the book of Exodus.

00:56:53.000 They say, hey, Moses, take us back to Egypt.

00:56:57.000 Yeah.

00:56:57.000 Because at least we ate meat.

00:57:00.000 They preferred luxurious slavery over freedom where they did not eat as well.

00:57:08.000 People don't necessarily want to be free.

00:57:11.000 What the business we are in is trying to set the captives free, set the captives free from spiritual darkness, set the captives free from government tyranny.

00:57:20.000 Set the captives free from moral chaos.

00:57:23.000 And we must recognize that more people want to be taken care of than want to be free.

00:57:30.000 And if, boy, if that was one lesson after the last year and a half, that should be one thing.

00:57:34.000 Lock it down.

00:57:35.000 Wear two masks.

00:57:37.000 And my favorite thing with the vaccine is get vaccinated because of me.

00:57:40.000 I say, I'm sorry, what?

00:57:41.000 I have to get vaccinated for you.

00:57:43.000 I thought that's what the vaccine is supposed to do.

00:57:45.000 I thought it's supposed to protect you.

00:57:46.000 No, you must get vaccinated because of me.

00:57:48.000 It's like that's a really interesting new moral argument.

00:57:51.000 And if I may say one other thing, did you notice that the most effective way that they were able to shut down society was they say, hey, we need to shut down society not because of you, but because it protects other people.

00:58:02.000 Yeah.

00:58:02.000 Did you notice that?

00:58:03.000 That they made a moral argument.

00:58:04.000 Now, this is a very interesting thing.

00:58:06.000 They didn't do that because they actually thought you cared about other people.

00:58:09.000 They did that because they knew that most people didn't want to live with the guilt of spreading something to other people because secular society doesn't know how to deal with guilt.

00:58:18.000 We do.

00:58:19.000 We ask Jesus for forgiveness.

00:58:20.000 Secular society lives with the guilt for the rest of their life in turmoil and chaos and self-pity.

00:58:26.000 Yeah.

00:58:34.000 First time, by the way, quarantining of the healthy.

00:58:37.000 Ever.

00:58:38.000 I mean, it's contradictory to scripture, too.

00:58:38.000 Yeah.

00:58:40.000 Go ahead.

00:58:41.000 Hi, guys.

00:58:42.000 Hope you're doing well tonight.

00:58:43.000 God bless you.

00:58:44.000 I just want to say, Charlie, you hold views now that two years ago you would have called right-wing extremist.

00:58:48.000 I'm just curious how you reconcile that with people like Nick Fuentes, who held your views before you that you ended up kind of defaming.

00:58:55.000 Yeah, it's funny.

00:58:56.000 I heard he was like really big into the Taliban.

00:58:58.000 So that's kind of a weird view.

00:58:59.000 I hate the Taliban.

00:59:01.000 So, yeah, I think we all hate the Taliban.

00:59:03.000 I think that's probably a good position, right?

00:59:07.000 So, yeah, I don't really know how to answer that.

00:59:11.000 I believe in the inerrant word of God.

00:59:13.000 I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

00:59:16.000 And also, I want to say this: that I have been more outspoken, though, about social conservatism.

00:59:21.000 And someone asked me, said, Charlie, why is that?

00:59:23.000 I say, you know what?

00:59:24.000 Getting married is a great thing for a young man.

00:59:27.000 I said, as soon as I got married to my wonderful wife here, all of a sudden you realize that we as conservatives need to protect the true, the good, and the beautiful.

00:59:35.000 That we as Christians and conservatives need to be called to try to tell young people to get married, to be in relationships loyally, and make God number one.

00:59:46.000 And also, we should be advocates for having big families and for having lots of children, that that is a moral good for society.

00:59:54.000 And I just want to say this: that we as conservatives and Christians should reject people in the conservative movement that do not want to talk about social issues.

01:00:03.000 People say, Oh, I don't want to talk about pro-life stuff.

01:00:06.000 I don't want to talk about the transgender stuff. 1.00

01:00:08.000 I don't want to talk.

01:00:09.000 No, we must understand that the most important things are making sure that we defend laws and we defend ideas that are consistent with the natural law, that are consistent with a transcendent order.

01:00:21.000 These are things that are so critically important for all of us.

01:00:24.000 And let me say this for the young people in this room: which is reject the lies of secular culture.

01:00:29.000 But they're like, oh, you know, go make your job first or, you know, go into society and like go hook up with as many people as you can. 0.99

01:00:37.000 That's all a bunch of garbage. 0.99

01:00:38.000 Go find someone who loves the Lord and go marry that person. 0.99

01:00:42.000 And we as Christians must be advocates for that in every single capacity.

01:00:48.000 And so I just want to say that I've been pretty thrilled since we got married back in May.

01:00:52.000 It's been a great thing for me.

01:00:54.000 And I encourage every young person.

01:00:55.000 And then other young people, and this is Gary, this is on you now.

01:00:57.000 You ready?

01:00:58.000 Yeah.

01:00:58.000 It's people.

01:00:59.000 It's old people too, by the way.

01:01:01.000 I'm deputizing Gary right now.

01:01:03.000 You love this.

01:01:03.000 Young people say, Charlie, how do I find other Christians?

01:01:06.000 Pastors out there, you need to be every single Sunday making marriages happen. 0.57

01:01:12.000 No, seriously.

01:01:14.000 No, you need to be.

01:01:15.000 No, this is true.

01:01:18.000 You need to be connecting people.

01:01:20.000 You need to say, hey, you know.

01:01:21.000 I always say, flirt to convert. 0.72

01:01:23.000 No, but no, but this is very important.

01:01:28.000 And where you need to be connecting people.

01:01:30.000 You need to say, you meet you and you meet you and you meet you and go get married.

01:01:35.000 And so I'm sure there's some singles out there.

01:01:37.000 I can't find a man or I can't find anyone.

01:01:37.000 I can't meet him.

01:01:40.000 Well, it's on you guys.

01:01:41.000 So congratulations, Gary.

01:01:43.000 Got a lot of work.

01:01:44.000 Thank you for being here tonight.

01:01:45.000 I appreciate it.

01:01:46.000 Thank you.

01:01:47.000 Go ahead over here.

01:01:50.000 Earlier tonight, you brought up the non-aggression principle.

01:01:53.000 Yes.

01:01:54.000 What are your thoughts on that?

01:01:55.000 And what is its biblical basis?

01:01:58.000 Yeah, no, I did say that.

01:02:01.000 So the non-aggression principle is sometimes used by libertarians as a way to try to argue and advocate for non-government interference.

01:02:08.000 I won't go too far into it.

01:02:09.000 It's kind of more of a philosophical thing.

01:02:12.000 But I said that in the context of saying the other side with the separation of church and state, they violated leaving the church alone, is what I'm saying.

01:02:22.000 And my own personal opinion is that if you're in, and I believe this is biblical, if you're in a place where the church is being persecuted and Christian values are being persecuted, we are not called to roll over and take it.

01:02:35.000 So actually, this is really important.

01:02:37.000 So how many of you have heard?

01:02:38.000 Sorry, I'm looking at the texts that are coming in.

01:02:40.000 I'm listening to you.

01:02:42.000 He's setting up marriages, everybody.

01:02:44.000 Okay?

01:02:44.000 Yeah, my phone's blowing up now.

01:02:46.000 Yeah, marry me.

01:02:46.000 Marry me.

01:02:47.000 Marry me.

01:02:48.000 Come on, Gary.

01:02:48.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:02:52.000 You're welcome, by the way.

01:02:54.000 Thank you.

01:02:54.000 Yeah.

01:02:55.000 No, but I say this, and I'll do two tangents.

01:02:57.000 That the church that's the best at that will see their attendance explode like you wouldn't believe in Northern Virginia.

01:03:03.000 Okay, I'm done with that.

01:03:04.000 All right.

01:03:06.000 Romans 13.

01:03:07.000 We've all heard this argument by pastors before, right?

01:03:10.000 Yeah.

01:03:10.000 And I want to give you a new way to look at Romans 13 that I think is very interesting.

01:03:14.000 My friend Bob McEwen, who's here, by the way, Bob and Liz.

01:03:17.000 Bob here.

01:03:17.000 Yeah, Bob's European.

01:03:18.000 Former Congressman Bob McEwen.

01:03:20.000 Bob McEwen, everybody.

01:03:21.000 He's a great American.

01:03:25.000 Yeah, thank you, Bob.

01:03:29.000 So Romans 13, I'm paraphrasing, and Gary, you could fill in what it says, but it says, God puts leaders in authority, and they are there for your good, and you must submit to those rulers.

01:03:38.000 So this is a really interesting thing that in America, in a constitutional republic, who's the authority?

01:03:45.000 God is the authority.

01:03:46.000 You're right.

01:03:47.000 But the document says the people are the authority.

01:03:50.000 So if you read, and this is for every pastor out there that hides behind Romans 13 as a reason not to challenge government, government is not actually in charge.

01:03:59.000 You are.

01:04:01.000 So government needs to submit to you.

01:04:04.000 It's a totally different way to read Romans 13 because some people read it very simply.

01:04:09.000 They say, oh, the sovereign is, you know, Governor Ralph Northam, right?

01:04:14.000 Or whatever.

01:04:15.000 You know, that's the sovereign.

01:04:18.000 Like, no, actually, the sovereign is the people.

01:04:21.000 And you know who's violating Romans 13?

01:04:24.000 Is the Biden regime is violating Romans 13.

01:04:27.000 It is the local officials who infringe on your rights.

01:04:31.000 Now, if you lived in communist China, that would be a different argument.

01:04:34.000 But as you live in the Constitutional Republic that we live in, the people are the sovereign.

01:04:38.000 The people have the power.

01:04:40.000 And so if this is, and Jonathan Mayhew, who is the number one pastor who inspired the American Revolution, according to Adams and Madison, said, obedience to tyrants is disobedience to God.

01:04:52.000 And so we as Christians are commanded, as Daniel disobeyed the orders to disobey God, where when he was told to disobey God, what did he do?

01:05:00.000 He didn't just disobey the orders.

01:05:02.000 He opened up his window and made sure everybody saw he was disobeying the orders to continue to praise and worship God.

01:05:09.000 And that's actually how he ended up in the lion's den is that we are called to be faithful to the Lord.

01:05:13.000 As it says in Acts 5, Gary, which is that we must obey God, not man.

01:05:19.000 That we must put God first.

01:05:20.000 And if a government official ever gets in the way of your religious beliefs, your deeply held convictions, or what is good, what is true, what is beautiful, as it says in Philippians 4.8, whatsoever is true, whatsoever is noble, whatever is good, ponder on those things.

01:05:34.000 That's right before one of those popular verses in the scriptures, Philippians 4.13.

01:05:38.000 I can do all the things through Christ who strengthens me.

01:05:41.000 So let me just kind of say about this, which is in the part that we're in, I use the non-aggression principle in this framing, which is we as Christians must understand that they, the government, they, the oligarchs, they, the tyrants, are violating our rights.

01:05:55.000 They're violating our freedoms.

01:05:57.000 And we have no biblical obligation to submit to them.

01:06:01.000 They must submit to us.

01:06:04.000 Good.

01:06:08.000 All right.

01:06:10.000 Let's keep going.

01:06:10.000 Yes, ma'am.

01:06:12.000 Hello.

01:06:12.000 Thank you for coming.

01:06:13.000 I'm a student at Liberty University College of Osteopathic Medicine, and religious exemptions for the COVID-19 vaccine are not being accepted currently.

01:06:24.000 So we are being prevented from continuing in our curriculum.

01:06:28.000 What advice do you have for those of us who wish to go into healthcare professions but are under this medical tyranny?

01:06:35.000 Yeah, so I want to just make sure I'm understanding this because I've had ties with Liberty and I think very highly of them.

01:06:41.000 And I know a lot of people that went there and literally got an honorary doctorate from Liberty.

01:06:46.000 Can you just be more specific?

01:06:49.000 You're telling me Liberty's not granting religious exemptions?

01:06:51.000 The medical school.

01:06:52.000 The medical school is requiring you to be vaccinated to go on your third and fourth year clinical sites rotations.

01:07:00.000 And they're not accepting a religious action.

01:07:03.000 Were you the one who wrote me a note?

01:07:05.000 So that's what I was reading.

01:07:05.000 Yes.

01:07:06.000 Yeah, no, this is really important.

01:07:09.000 I don't know how that's possible because Jerry Falwell Sr. never would have put up with that.

01:07:14.000 I know that very well.

01:07:15.000 And he's not there anymore.

01:07:18.000 Yeah, I know.

01:07:19.000 I'm processing.

01:07:20.000 I'm trying to, because I know so many people there, so I'm trying not to be incendiary.

01:07:23.000 So bear with me for a second.

01:07:25.000 That's so incredible.

01:07:26.000 I hope they change that policy, which here's the problem: so many Christians are rolling over with this thing. 0.98

01:07:32.000 It's so incredibly disappointing.

01:07:33.000 The fact that a Christian school won't offer religious exemptions is incredible. 0.97

01:07:37.000 Hello, hold the line, stand firm.

01:07:42.000 And you publicizing this tonight, I hope will make a difference.

01:07:46.000 Everyone has a tie to Liberty University.

01:07:48.000 I would contact them.

01:07:50.000 That would make a very big difference.

01:07:56.000 But let me say this.

01:07:58.000 I know a guy that was willing to get fired at Delta Airlines.

01:08:01.000 He was a 20-year pilot, a great man.

01:08:04.000 And just two days ago, Delta Airlines rescinded their mandatory vaccines because they realized that the numbers were against them.

01:08:16.000 So I want you to just hold the line for as long as you can because I think, and I might be overly optimistic here, I pray that we're going to hit a point where they're going to back off a little bit in certain areas.

01:08:28.000 I will say, though, the healthcare field might be the least likely place they're going to back off.

01:08:33.000 So I just want, I want you to, I want to be very honest with you on that.

01:08:37.000 But we have your back.

01:08:38.000 I'm going to be making a phone call to a couple of Liberty people.

01:08:45.000 Thank you.

01:08:49.000 All right.

01:08:50.000 Let me just...

01:08:51.000 Yeah, yeah, let me just say this.

01:08:52.000 We were slated to end at 8:30, but we're going to go another 15 minutes.

01:08:56.000 Is that all right?

01:08:56.000 Okay, everybody.

01:08:58.000 And if, you know, if you have to leave, we're not mandating you to stay.

01:09:05.000 All right, go ahead.

01:09:07.000 For me, it is hard to stand up for myself for people who are older than me.

01:09:12.000 So how do us kids stand up for Jesus more and for America and all these mandates?

01:09:19.000 How old are you?

01:09:20.000 I turned 14 today.

01:09:22.000 14 years old.

01:09:25.000 Well, first of all, thank you for being here tonight.

01:09:28.000 And so I'm going to tell you something that's true, but it's hard to hear, but I think it'll bless you.

01:09:33.000 I don't do hopium, everybody, which is hope and opium mixed together, which is things you want to hear, but are actually really bad for you.

01:09:39.000 I tell you what is true, and that will actually benefit your life.

01:09:44.000 So you're going to have to make a decision that you want to be a tough person.

01:09:49.000 And that will be hard at first because you might lose friends and people will call you names and you'll get mocked and you'll get ridiculed, but it will bless you beyond you could ever imagine in the years to come.

01:09:59.000 That at a young age, at 14, you say, you know what?

01:10:01.000 I'm going to say what is true and I'm not going to back down from it.

01:10:04.000 I'm going to do it with a smile.

01:10:05.000 I'm going to do it with the grace of the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ, but I'm not going to back away from it.

01:10:10.000 Now, this is hard because I'm telling you as a 14-year-old, you will be called names, you will lose friends, and you will be kicked out of social circles.

01:10:18.000 You'll make new friends.

01:10:20.000 You'll be stronger because of it.

01:10:22.000 And you will then go on a journey that you'll be truly free.

01:10:25.000 And I know people here, and I know people watching at home and people that say this, they say, man, I might have a good job.

01:10:31.000 I might have a good income, but I'm not free.

01:10:33.000 I have to be somebody different at work.

01:10:35.000 And that is the ultimate form of torture that I see in America today.

01:10:40.000 I see a form of torture.

01:10:42.000 And I'm not accusing, by the way, I'm going to be very clear.

01:10:44.000 If you are the breadwinner in your house, there's a moral argument to be saying you're going to keep your mouth shut at home to get the paycheck, to feed your family.

01:10:52.000 I get it.

01:10:52.000 I'm not accusing you.

01:10:55.000 But it's torture for a lot of people.

01:10:56.000 I know there's people here tonight.

01:10:57.000 You're like, I can't say anything at work or else I would just get completely obliterated.

01:11:02.000 But the sooner you make that decision, you'll never have that problem.

01:11:06.000 The sooner you make that decision, you'll be free.

01:11:08.000 So how do you win people over?

01:11:11.000 I would highly recommend you get involved with Turning Point USA.

01:11:14.000 We have some Turning Point USA leaders here.

01:11:16.000 I think we do somewhere.

01:11:17.000 We have a couple here.

01:11:17.000 Raise your hand.

01:11:19.000 I want to just say this.

01:11:20.000 These students on college and high school campuses that we have at Turning Point USA, they are American heroes.

01:11:26.000 They really are.

01:11:27.000 Because what they're doing at 15, 16, 17, 18 years old, they are telling the world, I don't care what you do to me.

01:11:33.000 I am going to say, I know there is a God.

01:11:36.000 I believe in conservatism.

01:11:38.000 Throw what you can at me.

01:11:39.000 That's courage.

01:11:40.000 And they're saying that in some of the most social pressure situations.

01:11:45.000 And so I just want to encourage you and say that if you stand for God, you will always be blessed by that.

01:11:51.000 And read your Bible every single day.

01:11:54.000 It says in Joshua 1:9, be strong and courageous.

01:11:58.000 Read over that scripture and pray over that scripture.

01:12:00.000 And at age 14, all of a sudden, 10 years later, and when you're 24, they're like, wow.

01:12:03.000 I remember what Charlie said at that one event.

01:12:05.000 And I'm a stronger person, hopefully a wiser person, and someone that knows the Lord even better because of it.

01:12:11.000 So thank you for being here tonight.

01:12:12.000 And thank you for wanting to do that.

01:12:16.000 Hi, Charlie.

01:12:17.000 Thanks for coming today.

01:12:19.000 First of all, I want to say about nine years ago, I was going to this church and I met my wife here.

01:12:23.000 So Pastor Greg Cornerstone, you're doing a great job with that.

01:12:26.000 It worked.

01:12:31.000 My question is: my oldest daughter, my six-year-old, is now going to kindergarten.

01:12:35.000 We moved to Loudon County for Loudon County Public Schools.

01:12:38.000 And then all of a sudden, this happens.

01:12:39.000 I drop her off of the bus, I wave to her, and my heart sinks because I don't know what's going on the next six, seven hours.

01:12:46.000 I try to talk to her, but sometimes it feels like I'm interrogating a six-year-old, which is kind of hard.

01:12:50.000 How do I make sure that my influence, my wife's influence, my church's influence, is good on her so that when she's 14, she's like that lady over there.

01:13:00.000 It's a beautiful question.

01:13:01.000 So let me give you a couple things.

01:13:03.000 You might not be in a position to homeschool, and I understand that, but pray if there might be a way to make that happen.

01:13:09.000 And I'm a massive fan of homeschooling, especially right now.

01:13:13.000 Now, I'm not saying it's easy.

01:13:14.000 It's a big sacrifice.

01:13:16.000 It is a very, and people who homeschool will tell you it's tough.

01:13:19.000 It's tough work, but it's rewarding.

01:13:21.000 So maybe that's not you, but you could do it.

01:13:23.000 Okay.

01:13:23.000 You could do it.

01:13:24.000 And so, And I will give an idea for this church, which is creating like a homeschool network of homeschool parents to meet homeschoolers and try to encourage others to do it.

01:13:35.000 I know of churches that have done it, and it's been a great blessing.

01:13:38.000 I'm just trying to make a list of all the things I got to do.

01:13:39.000 Oh, you got it, Gary.

01:13:42.000 I got a whole list of stuff.

01:13:43.000 Don't worry.

01:13:46.000 But here's the one thing you can do that I can give you to do right now, which is every parent can do this, whether you're in public school, private school, or homeschooling, which is one hour a week, call it the Liberty Hour, where you turn off every device in the home.

01:14:01.000 Maybe it's Sunday afternoon.

01:14:02.000 You sit down at the kitchen table and you teach.

01:14:05.000 And you might say, Charlie, I'm not a teacher.

01:14:06.000 Well, we've partnered with Hillsdale College to be able to, they're phenomenal, for a series of 30-minute to an hour lectures to give you the parent.

01:14:16.000 You watch the lecture, you take a test, and then you consume the information and you teach it back to your kid.

01:14:22.000 And so it's charlieforhillsdale.com if you guys are interested to empower parents to have one hour a week.

01:14:28.000 I can tell you this, my parents did this with me, and I went to public school and people say, How do you turn out fine?

01:14:33.000 Because the one hour where my parents want, yeah, I know it's the jury's out, Gary, right?

01:14:38.000 I know.

01:14:39.000 How do you end up average?

01:14:41.000 Is what most people say.

01:14:43.000 How did you end up below average?

01:14:45.000 Okay, so because my parents taught me geography, history, ethics, civics, outside of that, you, if I want you to think about the compounding interest of this: 52 hours a year, you would sit down with your kids and you become the teacher.

01:14:58.000 Now, that might be intimidating for some of you.

01:15:01.000 Take that step.

01:15:02.000 Take the courses we have for you guys at charlieforhillsdale.com.

01:15:05.000 And like, let's just take one, for example, for even, you said kindergartner.

01:15:09.000 So that, you know, you're not going to get into Aristotle yet, right?

01:15:13.000 But here's an easy one: it teaches you how to teach Genesis.

01:15:17.000 It's an easy one.

01:15:18.000 How to properly teach Genesis to a seven-year-old or eight-year-old or nine-year-old.

01:15:22.000 And then you do that for one hour a week.

01:15:24.000 All of a sudden, you know what happens?

01:15:25.000 And this is why I love Sundays.

01:15:26.000 She'll go to school on Monday, fired up, filled with what her parents just taught her.

01:15:31.000 And then she'll be defensive of those positions. 0.93

01:15:33.000 She'll say, My family believes a certain thing against what the public schools are teaching.

01:15:37.000 And so even if you cannot homeschool, do a version of homeschooling.

01:15:41.000 Carve out one hour a week.

01:15:42.000 Come on, you guys can all do one hour a week.

01:15:44.000 Make it a priority.

01:15:44.000 I know you can.

01:15:45.000 And you're like, Charlie, I don't know the material.

01:15:47.000 We're giving you the material.

01:15:49.000 So we're trying to create a no excuse situation for every family across America to do the Liberty Hour.

01:15:55.000 I'm telling you, this will prevent the indoctrination of your children, but also the indoctrination of other children when your children are standing up for what's right, when other teachers try to infuse.

01:16:05.000 And then the final thing: get involved in your school boards.

01:16:08.000 I know you probably are, but it's so incredibly important.

01:16:11.000 And I will say this: I don't say this lightly.

01:16:12.000 It is criminal what the Loudoun County School Board has been doing in this local area.

01:16:17.000 So thank you for being here.

01:16:18.000 Appreciate it.

01:16:19.000 Yeah.

01:16:23.000 Go ahead.

01:16:24.000 Hey, how's it going?

01:16:26.000 So I just want to point out really quick: I work in tech, and about two years ago, I got rid of my iPhone.

01:16:31.000 I've got a flip phone.

01:16:33.000 And that is the coolest thing I've ever seen.

01:16:35.000 I'm acutely aware, you know, working in tech of how much surveillance goes on.

01:16:39.000 And deleting apps is not necessarily going to stop it.

01:16:42.000 But for any of you who are thinking about, you know, getting rid of that, I would highly recommend it.

01:16:47.000 All right, to my question.

01:16:48.000 Yeah, did you have a question?

01:16:49.000 Yeah, sorry.

01:16:50.000 To my question.

01:16:51.000 So you sort of hinted at it earlier.

01:16:54.000 Technology has a role in the moral decay of modern society.

01:16:59.000 And from everything from internet pornography, how much that's destroyed families and hormone therapy, right?

01:17:06.000 So all sorts of things.

01:17:06.000 There's some benefits too, but conservatives seem to have a strategy that if we just pass legislation to have like free speech laws on the internet, then we'll solve the problem.

01:17:16.000 But I feel like it was our very values of free speech that brought on the authoritarian left.

01:17:23.000 Please ask your question, though, because we've got people.

01:17:25.000 So, I was wondering, like, what is your take on that?

01:17:27.000 Because it seems like it's sort of a catch-22 where if we make it free speech, then we're just spreading the leftist authoritarianism.

01:17:33.000 Well, yeah, I get your question.

01:17:34.000 So, my personal position, and I've been very clear about this, is that we need to have some form of a body that can be agreed upon to slow down the rise of artificial intelligence.

01:17:45.000 I'm talking more fundamental and just kind of technology advancements to try to make the human being the center of society and not technology.

01:17:52.000 We are going to cross the Rubicon in about 15 years, might be less, where machines have more power than human beings.

01:17:57.000 It's coming and we need to do something about it.

01:17:59.000 This should be bipartisan.

01:18:00.000 Unfortunately, it's not.

01:18:01.000 And that I'm more interested in than free speech laws on the internet.

01:18:04.000 I'm more worried about just how technology is making us more bitter, more divided, more awful to us as human beings.

01:18:13.000 And so, happy to get into that.

01:18:14.000 It's more of a nuanced question for a different time.

01:18:17.000 But if you gave me a choice, you said, Charlie, would you get rid of all the smartphones?

01:18:22.000 I think that the negatives far outweigh the positives for what these devices have done for American society.

01:18:27.000 So, thank you.

01:18:28.000 Yeah, thank you.

01:18:28.000 Appreciate it.

01:18:29.000 Sir?

01:18:32.000 Turning Point USA is the largest youth organization in America.

01:18:37.000 And in the past, you have said that you support gay marriage.

01:18:40.000 And as well as I've never said that.

01:18:42.000 That is not true.

01:18:43.000 As well as having open homosexuals represent the organization. 0.89

01:18:47.000 Now that we're in a church of believers, do you still believe that the sin of homosexualism is morally relative to Christian righteousness? 0.98

01:18:54.000 Well, first of all, I've never believed in gay marriage, so don't lie. 1.00

01:18:56.000 But I will say this: yes, we do have gay people that work for us at Turning Point USA.

01:19:00.000 And let me explain.

01:19:01.000 And so we are a secular organization, and we have just started a new faith initiative.

01:19:05.000 And I've always been very clear that marriage is between a man and a woman, and that is what marriage is in the Bible, and we should stand for that.

01:19:12.000 But as a secular organization, someone that works on college campuses, and we get qualified people who love the country, and some, yes, do love the Lord, that engage in a homosexual type lifestyle, we hire them, and they do a great job for us. 0.83

01:19:25.000 And in fact, Donald Trump had plenty of people that worked in his administration that were gay and were homosexual, Rick Grinnell being one of them, the head of the director of national intelligence.

01:19:35.000 And so I think this is a very important thing, which is that you could take a moral position, which I do, which I've been very clear about, and also build a coalition for liberty and understand that, hey, the Galatians 3 model is that the law is a school teacher to Christ, that we're trying to build a coalition around these things.

01:19:52.000 But I also just want to make this very clear, which is that I'm an uncompromising in my positions.

01:19:56.000 But misrepresenting my positions and lying about them is not cool.

01:20:00.000 And so I hope that you'll adjust that in the future.

01:20:03.000 So thank you.

01:20:04.000 But you just to make sure we're clear, you do believe that saying you're a Christian and practicing a homosexual lifestyle is incompatible.

01:20:16.000 Yes, of course.

01:20:17.000 And I've been very clear about that.

01:20:18.000 And starting as a campus organization, you know, we have people that are gay that work for us.

01:20:24.000 And that is something that has been part of what we've done since the beginning.

01:20:28.000 I'm not saying that I'm morally acceptable of that in the individual lifestyle.

01:20:34.000 And so being a secular organization, that is a balance that we must strike.

01:20:39.000 And I'm very clear when I'm in churches as right now, and I also live it out, I'm married, that marriage is between one man and one woman.

01:20:47.000 That's what the scriptures clearly say.

01:20:48.000 Yep.

01:20:49.000 All right.

01:20:49.000 I think we have time for one more question.

01:20:51.000 So when you said that people are saying that the Constitution doesn't matter, does that mean that the saying all people are created equal don't matter?

01:21:02.000 I didn't quite hear the first part of your question.

01:21:04.000 So you said that all the people, like the Constitution doesn't matter.

01:21:08.000 People are saying that.

01:21:10.000 Oh, yeah, that's right.

01:21:10.000 Yeah.

01:21:11.000 Yeah.

01:21:11.000 And so does that mean they're saying all God are all people are created equal don't matter?

01:21:17.000 Well, so yeah, I said other people are saying the Constitution doesn't matter.

01:21:22.000 I don't.

01:21:23.000 I think the Constitution is the greatest political document ever written.

01:21:26.000 Yeah, I think I get what you're saying, At, which is like, what is human equality?

01:21:30.000 It means that all people are created equal in the image of God, right?

01:21:34.000 And all people are the same type of thing.

01:21:36.000 We are all human beings.

01:21:38.000 I think what you're getting at is kind of the exceptionalism of the Constitution, which really allows the separation of powers, consent to the govern, independent judiciary, and decentralization of power.

01:21:49.000 But it also is a document that protects your natural rights that are given to you by God and not by government.

01:21:55.000 And that is a very important thing.

01:21:56.000 Most people in kind of the left or secular society do not recognize that.

01:22:01.000 And they say that your rights come from government and there is no God.

01:22:04.000 So thank you.

01:22:05.000 Appreciate it.

01:22:07.000 All right.

01:22:07.000 I said the last one.

01:22:09.000 Yeah, let's go last, last.

01:22:11.000 Yes.

01:22:12.000 I'm a student in the public school system here.

01:22:15.000 And we're really struggling at the moment because even though stuff from the school board hasn't been passed, there's already been CRT and feminist movements integrated into our curriculum.

01:22:27.000 So how can I practically fight that in the classroom when there's not really a lot of support from teachers and other adults?

01:22:35.000 What school do you go to?

01:22:36.000 I go to Woodgrove High School.

01:22:38.000 Okay.

01:22:39.000 We got some support right up there.

01:22:44.000 So we'd love to work with you at Turning Point USA if that's something you might want to do.

01:22:48.000 But I'm going to kind of reiterate this, which is, you know, sometimes you're going to have to be the fighter.

01:22:52.000 Sometimes you're going to have to stand at a young age, and that will make you a stronger person.

01:22:58.000 And also, look around you.

01:22:59.000 You have a huge support network here tonight of people that want to support you and want to lean into you.

01:23:05.000 And so let me just say this: that, and for everyone out there, these are the most courageous people out there in high school that they're now making it.

01:23:17.000 I'm all alone.

01:23:18.000 I'm fighting against these things.

01:23:20.000 I think we have to do an even better job of getting into these schools and supporting these young patriots that are fighting for these truths that are experiencing a price for it.

01:23:28.000 And also say, hey, we're going to be there to support you and to back you when you take these stands.

01:23:33.000 And so that's exactly what we're trying to do every single day at Turning Point USA.

01:23:36.000 So thank you so much.

01:23:39.000 Yeah, and then I'm going to wrap up too.

01:23:40.000 So yeah, go ahead.

01:23:41.000 So I just want to kind of close with a couple things.

01:23:43.000 First, I just want to say this again: this is the center of the political universe in the country.

01:23:48.000 For those of you that have showed up to school board meetings, God bless you.

01:23:51.000 For those of you that are running for school board, God bless you.

01:23:53.000 Those of you that are involved in that, God bless you.

01:23:56.000 And I want to just say this is such a phenomenal church.

01:23:58.000 And if we had more churches like this, the country would be in a much better place.

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01:24:41.000 We'd be blessed by that.

01:24:42.000 And then finally, everybody, I am seeing a new resolve and a strengthening of unity from people in the church and people that love this country and love the Lord.

01:24:51.000 We have to stand by one another.

01:24:53.000 We are increasing in number.

01:24:55.000 The more they throw at us, the stronger we get.

01:24:57.000 We are becoming an anti-fragile movement.

01:25:00.000 Fragile, you shatter, anti-fragile gets stronger the more stress you put on it.

01:25:05.000 And I'm telling you, everybody, it's just a matter of time before we turn a spiritual corner in this country.

01:25:10.000 And I'm so beyond blessed to be fighting alongside all of you.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - November 07, 2021

How the Church Changed Virginia—Live from Cornerstone Chapel in Loudon County

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