The Charlie Kirk Show - How the House Can Beat Jack Smith with Rep. Matt Gaetz and Joe Allen

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody, today Charlie Kirk Show.

00:00:01.000 Joe Allen and Matt Gates.

00:00:03.000 We talk transhumanism, Ron DeSantis, and a very interesting wild idea to immunize Donald Trump against the Department of Justice.

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00:00:23.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:05.000 Joining us now is Congressman Matt Gates.

00:01:07.000 He has lots of topics.

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00:01:16.000 Congressman, welcome to the program.

00:01:18.000 You have a rather creative idea regarding Donald Trump testifying.

00:01:22.000 I don't even quite understand it, so walk us through it.

00:01:25.000 Yeah, I don't know if it's all that creative.

00:01:27.000 Let's start here.

00:01:28.000 If Congress does not assert its equities in this Jack Smith matter, those equities will dissolve.

00:01:35.000 Right now, my worry is that too many of my colleagues in Congress think, well, this is an ongoing matter.

00:01:40.000 So we just have to allow it to play out.

00:01:43.000 And it's the same loser mentality that infected much of the Congress in the early days of the Robert Mueller investigation.

00:01:50.000 Obviously, we proved that to be the fraud that it was.

00:01:52.000 And not for nothing, Charlie.

00:01:54.000 But you got to see this guy, McGonagall, who was on the ground floor of the investigation to accuse Trump of working with Russia, has now pled guilty to working with Russia.

00:02:04.000 But back to this matter, here's what we ought to do, and we shouldn't make it that complicated.

00:02:09.000 First, we should tell Jack Smith that he has to show up and give a transcribed interview to the House Judiciary Committee in the next 15 days.

00:02:16.000 If he doesn't do that, we should issue a subpoena.

00:02:18.000 If he ignores the subpoena, we should hold him in criminal contempt of Congress and force him to be the first prosecutor to bring a case while under criminal contempt himself.

00:02:29.000 And if Merritt Garland won't enforce that criminal contempt, then he subjects himself to an impeachment of the House.

00:02:35.000 So it would be an attorney general under impeachment, a prosecutor under contempt.

00:02:40.000 And I think that frames what's going on better than just sitting back and hoping we hear no evil, see no evil, and speak no evil as this plays out.

00:02:48.000 Because if we grant the premise, Charlie, that this is an ongoing, legitimate matter, then it just builds into it the notion that it is law enforcement activity and not election interference.

00:03:00.000 Congress has equities at play with election interference.

00:03:03.000 We ought to do that.

00:03:05.000 Simultaneous to that, you can actually bring President Trump in to give testimony to the Congress and in doing so, immunize him.

00:03:12.000 Now, there's different forms of immunity that take place at the committee level, subcommittee level.

00:03:17.000 In some instances, for full immunity, you have to have more of a super majority vote.

00:03:23.000 But if you had a super majority vote of a committee, like Speaker McCarthy could set up a select committee tomorrow that could bring Trump in and immunize him, and then we could proceed with the very legitimate investigative work that we're doing of the Bidens and the corrupt DOJ.

00:03:39.000 Unfortunately, none of those things are happening.

00:03:41.000 Instead, Congress is not in Washington, not assembled.

00:03:46.000 And I think the timing is on purpose.

00:03:48.000 No timing in D.C. is ever just a mere coincidence.

00:03:54.000 And so right as Congress is leaving town, right as we're walking away from our equities, you see this acceleration of activity against.

00:04:02.000 So yeah, let's be specific here, though.

00:04:04.000 So immunize him from what crimes, even if he's under current indictment?

00:04:09.000 Is that including even the obstruction claims?

00:04:11.000 And give us some examples of how this has been used recently.

00:04:15.000 Well, it hasn't been used recently, but obviously we're aware of the ability for any person to plead the fifth.

00:04:22.000 You can dissolve someone's ability to plead the fifth if you immunize them.

00:04:26.000 And so Congress has this ability that's been recognized.

00:04:29.000 It's even laid out in 18 USCA 6002 and 6005, if folks want to look it up.

00:04:37.000 But there, you've got the ability to say, well, we're hereby compelling your testimony.

00:04:45.000 We're giving you immunity for anything you say to us and anything that that would lead to.

00:04:50.000 And so, for example, if President Trump came in and said, I'm here to give you testimony about the witch hunt, the abuse of criminal process that Congress has legitimate oversight equities to resolve.

00:05:04.000 And if he were to say things to us, we could immunize him for that conduct that he were to discuss.

00:05:10.000 Does it take a vote?

00:05:11.000 Or does it frequently happen?

00:05:13.000 But these aren't usual times.

00:05:15.000 Is it a committee vote?

00:05:16.000 Is it the whole House that has to vote on immunization?

00:05:18.000 And when was the last time this statute was used?

00:05:22.000 I don't know when the last time it was used.

00:05:24.000 I can say it can be any committee or subcommittee that can grant immunities.

00:05:29.000 So we could even bring him into the subcommittee chaired by my good friend and colleague, Andy Biggs, the crime subcommittee that has jurisdiction over some of these activities of the Department of Justice.

00:05:39.000 And if Trump were to essentially become whistleblower, a whistleblower, you have to think about it almost like whistleblower protections.

00:05:45.000 Trump, the ultimate whistleblower, potentially the beneficiary of congressional immunity on some of the information.

00:05:53.000 So hold on.

00:05:54.000 I just want to make sure I understand this.

00:05:55.000 So that Donald Trump could be called in, let's say, by the Andy Biggs Committee or whatever, or the Weaponization of Government Committee, which obviously he's a subject matter expert.

00:06:03.000 And as long as he is giving whistleblower testimony on each one of the charges against him, that would effectively neuter the Department of Justice from being able to consent to continue to pursue charges against him.

00:06:16.000 Am I understanding this correctly?

00:06:18.000 It's a little more nuanced than that, Charlie.

00:06:20.000 You're immunized for the statements you make and the conduct that that uncovers.

00:06:25.000 You know, if we're talking in hypotheticals, if President Trump had committed a murder somewhere, I don't know that giving testimony about the weaponization of the federal government would immunize that type of conduct.

00:06:39.000 But I think particularly where you've got Jack Smith trying to fashion the actions the president took while in office to try to evaluate and investigate information that was coming across his desk, you could certainly immunize him for that.

00:06:54.000 So I think that the areas where we could provide the broadest immunity for President Trump would be around the conspiracy charges, the deprivation of rights charges.

00:07:03.000 It's almost hard to say with a straight face that Jack Smith has brought.

00:07:07.000 In fact, it was the FBI doing the most to deprive people of their rights when they had agents meeting with Facebook, Meta, Twitter, all these technology companies to try to get the Hunter Biden laptop story just scrubbed from the entire information domain during the 2020 presidential contest.

00:07:26.000 So that would be a specific area where I think we could neuter the deprivation of rights and conspiracy charges in the Jack Smith indictment if we brought President Trump in for whistleblower testimony.

00:07:37.000 And so potentially Donald Trump could come in as a whistleblower and blow the whistle on what was happening up in the events of leading up to January 6th.

00:07:46.000 Nancy Pelosi didn't want to give troops, you know, because a lot of the indictment is centered around the events that lead up to that.

00:07:57.000 And so I see no downside here.

00:07:59.000 So you're going to have to walk me through this, Matt.

00:08:01.000 What you're saying is interesting.

00:08:02.000 I don't know if it'll stand up in court, but it's certainly worth a try.

00:08:07.000 And this is exactly the type of thing we need as the Department of Justice is used as a Democrat super PAC.

00:08:12.000 Why wouldn't we try to offer Donald Trump immunity and force the hand of the Department of Justice, especially on the conspiracy charges and the January 6th related stuff?

00:08:22.000 Is there any downside here?

00:08:24.000 I don't quite see a negative.

00:08:26.000 Well, in theory, the downside of bringing anyone before Congress to give testimony is that if you say something that is material and that is not accurate, that can create a cascade of follow-on charges.

00:08:39.000 So it's never something that you typically think of as a first step to try to bring people into Congress to give testimony because it's not typically something people enjoy a great deal.

00:08:49.000 But in this case, I think we misunderstand the fight that we are in.

00:08:54.000 Right now, you have the Department of Justice functioning as the enforcement wing of the Democratic Party.

00:09:00.000 And in a lot of ways, what you're seeing now was set up by Eric Holder and Barack Obama because they got some of their most talented political operatives and they gave them the ability to bring charges.

00:09:11.000 They turned them into prosecutors that are now career prosecutors and above reproach.

00:09:16.000 But the reality is these are left-wing, oftentimes Soros-aligned and trained killers.

00:09:22.000 And they're coming after our people, our movement, and our president.

00:09:27.000 And I think that if Congress just accepts this premise that it's an ongoing matter and thus we shouldn't be involved, then you underscore the legitimacy of that very matter.

00:09:39.000 That's where I'm in the minority of the majority.

00:09:41.000 I want to be very clear with you, Charlie.

00:09:43.000 Most Republicans in Congress just think we ought to throw our hands in the air and allow the chips to fall where they may.

00:09:50.000 I think that is a tremendous disservice to the Constitution when we are facing an election interference operation, not a legitimate prosecution.

00:09:59.000 Look, we need every creative idea.

00:10:00.000 This is not a legitimate indictment of Donald Trump.

00:10:03.000 It's not a legitimate investigation.

00:10:04.000 We need to reject the premise.

00:10:06.000 And so what you're saying, Matt Gates, is most of your Republican colleagues are gutless wonders and don't want to deal with this.

00:10:12.000 But what we should do is we should have Donald Trump come in, force him to testify, immunize him, and then force a constitutional issue.

00:10:20.000 I'm fully in support of that.

00:10:21.000 There is no other option, everybody.

00:10:23.000 We're just going to sit around and hope that a rigged D.C. jury and zip code justice and the interference of an election.

00:10:29.000 No, no, no.

00:10:30.000 It's time to fight fire with fire.

00:10:32.000 Let's fight back.

00:10:33.000 Look, I don't know if it's going to stand up in court.

00:10:35.000 You got to try.

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00:11:16.000 So, Matt, we're into the reboot, realignment.

00:11:20.000 I can't, I've lost track of how many RE's.

00:11:23.000 I've said this before, and I get hate mail for it.

00:11:25.000 I don't care.

00:11:25.000 Governor DeSantis is a wonderful governor, not running a good presidential campaign, not reading the room.

00:11:31.000 Ron DeSantis campaign campaign manager is out and replaced with chief of staff.

00:11:37.000 Matt Gates, you are a Floridian and a friend of Ron DeSantis, but you're behind Donald Trump for the presidency.

00:11:42.000 What's going on here?

00:11:44.000 I agree with you.

00:11:45.000 Ron's done a great job as governor of Florida, and frankly, I'm working pretty hard to keep him the governor of Florida for the next few years.

00:11:52.000 This is a pattern I've seen before from Ron DeSantis.

00:11:56.000 In 2018, when I was working as a senior part of his campaign, he woke up one day and didn't think the campaign was going well, and he asked me to do an audit or a review of the personnel we'd assembled.

00:12:10.000 And I told him that if we continued with that team, that Andrew Gillum would be the governor of Florida and he would not be.

00:12:16.000 And in sweeping fashion, he replaced the senior members of the team.

00:12:21.000 And the great irony is he brought in Susie Wiles to write the ship.

00:12:25.000 She did.

00:12:26.000 Ron won.

00:12:26.000 He's done a great job.

00:12:28.000 And now Susie Wiles is the titular head of the Trump campaign.

00:12:32.000 So, my, the interesting square dancing that we do, kind of trading partners around in Florida politics a good bit on the campaign staff side.

00:12:42.000 And now I think Ron has had a similar realization that the team that he had in place had burnt through tens of millions of dollars.

00:12:50.000 That Ron DeSantis has waged a campaign against his own vote share.

00:12:56.000 Ron DeSantis was knocking down about a third of the vote in the Republican primary before he became a candidate.

00:13:03.000 And since becoming a candidate, he's clubbed his own vote share down to about half of where it was before he got in the race.

00:13:11.000 So I think that would make anybody running question the team they had around him and the predicate of the strategy.

00:13:17.000 Right now, I don't think it's anything wrong with Ron DeSantis and his campaign.

00:13:22.000 I think it's just that the American people see the moment we're in, and we see that President Trump has unique skills and experience and capability to get our economy going again and also to obliterate a weaponized government that's been turned against our people.

00:13:37.000 I don't know that Ron is really in a moment to captivate that energy that President Trump seems to have really zeroed in on.

00:13:46.000 Yeah, I mean, look, he's engaging in a policy debate.

00:13:48.000 That's not what this is at all, right?

00:13:50.000 This is a primal scream, as Steve Bannon would say.

00:13:53.000 This is a time to get back at the Uniparty for an all-out Bolshevik Maoist agenda against the American people.

00:14:00.000 And we want a street fighter. 0.53

00:14:01.000 We want a UFC champion.

00:14:01.000 We want a bodyguard.

00:14:03.000 We don't need policy talks.

00:14:05.000 And by the way, I said this yesterday on social media.

00:14:08.000 Ron DeSantis lays out this classical education plan.

00:14:11.000 I think it's wonderful.

00:14:12.000 That's him at his best.

00:14:14.000 Is it time for Ron DeSantis to not further damage his national bona fides and continue as a rock star governor of Florida and then maybe look at potential political prospects?

00:14:25.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:14:26.000 Ron's a young man.

00:14:27.000 He's brilliant and driven.

00:14:29.000 And I think he's got a bright political future ahead in Florida and in national politics.

00:14:34.000 And I'm going to be a big cheerleader of his when he comes back to resume the governorship in the Sunshine State.

00:14:40.000 I do think that getting drubbed in Iowa and New Hampshire and South Carolina and Nevada doesn't necessarily set up those future prospects as well as unifying behind President Trump.

00:14:53.000 But, you know, there is a policy debate going on.

00:14:56.000 You're right that it's not the primal urge that draws us to a particular campaign.

00:15:02.000 But we do need to make sure some of these arguments that are being made don't prevail.

00:15:05.000 I just saw today, Charlie, Nikki Haley criticized the great senator from Alabama, Tommy Tumberville, for putting holds on these woke generals who want to continue to pay for abortions and abortion services and abortion travel with taxpayer money.

00:15:22.000 And so we do need to see some of these bad ideas like those advanced by Nikki Haley defeated.

00:15:28.000 We need to see the bad ideas that Chris Christie and Mike Pence are advancing regarding Ukraine defeated.

00:15:34.000 Ukraine's not the 51st state.

00:15:36.000 Our future is not inexorably linked to theirs.

00:15:39.000 And I think President Trump's in a position to really get the best of both worlds, the right policy arguments, but then also the right visceral urge to make the necessary changes we have to make to save the country.

00:15:50.000 Look, I'm going to be talking to some donors tonight, some of which agree with me, some of which disagree.

00:15:55.000 You know, some of them texted me and said, Charlie, we'd love to hear your thoughts on Glenn Youngkin.

00:15:59.000 Let me just say my advice publicly.

00:16:00.000 It's all a waste of time, guys.

00:16:02.000 Okay, these are nice people.

00:16:03.000 Glenn Youngkin, good governor of Virginia, Ron DeSantis.

00:16:06.000 Next batter up, go waste another couple hundred million.

00:16:09.000 Stop it, guys.

00:16:10.000 Get behind Trump, chase ballots, secure our elections, have all these wonderful governors.

00:16:14.000 You guys can have the feast of the governors in 2028.

00:16:18.000 But we need a country.

00:16:19.000 Donald Trump's going to win the primary, whether by 30 points or 50 points.

00:16:22.000 That's the mystery.

00:16:23.000 That's the only question is the margin at this point.

00:16:26.000 Let's do the boring stuff, chase ballots, secure election stuff.

00:16:29.000 Ron DeSantis actually did very well in Florida, and I don't want him to mess up his future political prospects.

00:16:34.000 He's an excellent governor.

00:16:35.000 This is not his time.

00:16:37.000 Matt Gates, excellent job.

00:16:38.000 Thanks so much.

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00:17:44.000 Joining us now is Joe Allen, author of a very compelling book, Dark Eon.

00:17:51.000 Joe, you have been really a prophetic voice talking about AI for quite some time now.

00:17:57.000 The book is Transhumanism and the War Against Humanity.

00:18:01.000 You know, Joe, I think a lot about artificial intelligence and what it means for our species and for our civilization.

00:18:07.000 I want to get into that and some questions that I have for you.

00:18:10.000 But first, tell us about your book.

00:18:12.000 Well, Charlie, thank you very much.

00:18:14.000 And the book really is as deep a dive as you're going to get into the ideologies that drive some of the most powerful corporations and NGOs on the planet.

00:18:25.000 Many that you've talked about and we've talked about, of course, Google, Facebook, Meta, Amazon, and the World Economic Forum, to mention just a few.

00:18:35.000 I also go into the technologies themselves.

00:18:39.000 Of course, the ideology or the dreams that are put forward, nightmares for us, are always going to exceed the technologies themselves.

00:18:48.000 And so I hope to give the reader a good sense of where we're at right now or where I was at when I submitted the book.

00:18:55.000 Things have actually changed so fast that they've already passed me up.

00:18:59.000 But in the end, what I really hope to communicate is that this is, in fact, spiritual warfare, that it is a spiritual vision of what the human being is, of what the purpose of the human being is, what the purpose of our civilization is, and that these competing ideas are coming to a head.

00:19:21.000 Some real world examples, I think, you had the response to COVID as a sort of trial run as to what it would be like if you had one side of humanity that sees their status as being as hinging upon their biological status,

00:19:38.000 their technological status, and the use of technologies to basically separate humanity into the acceptable and the unacceptable, such as the vaccine passports and also the contract, the contact tracing technologies that were rolled out in places like Singapore.

00:19:58.000 So, the book, is it done in novel form or is it just kind of an overview?

00:20:04.000 Just walk us through the structure of the book.

00:20:07.000 So, I begin, obviously, just to describe what is transhumanism, the desire to optimize the human being and the eventual goal of merging human beings with technology.

00:20:19.000 I'll also go into the history of transhumanism.

00:20:21.000 Some of the more profound thinkers, however much I disagree with them, the ones that are quite, I think, familiar to many in your audience, Ray Kurzweil or Martine Rothblatt, but also some of the more obscure figures like Bing Goertzel, who has recently come to the fore in media but has been there for a long time.

00:20:43.000 And Hugo DeGaris, I spend a lot of time on his vision of what the future will be like once artificial intelligence reaches full maturity.

00:20:53.000 You know, the first part really is to look at the supposed inevitability of a transhuman turn in human civilization, looking at the underpinnings in the theory of evolution, biological evolution, cultural evolution, digital evolution.

00:21:09.000 The second part begins to move more into the spiritual nature of this.

00:21:14.000 I do talk about the World Economic Forum and the Great Reset, and I do talk about some of the more common figures like Elon Musk and Yuval Noah Harari actually kind of comparing them and seeing really who is the villain and who is the hero.

00:21:30.000 I don't think that any villains or heroes emerge in any clear way from this story.

00:21:35.000 It all looks very murky and very bleak.

00:21:38.000 Moving to the end, though, the third part is really looking at the spiritual response to this.

00:21:45.000 And maybe the most compelling chapter, which is the fruition of a few short pieces that I've published before, Countdown to Giga Death, confronting this concept of existential risk and the idea that the technologies we're creating could either eradicate human beings, eradicate most human beings, or even just eradicate a significant proportion of the human population.

00:22:13.000 I don't necessarily, I'm not, this is not a book about doom, but it's definitely a book that follows the ideas of existential risk to their logical conclusion.

00:22:25.000 So is there an argument to be made that the inevitability of AI and the merging might be a lot clumsier than the predictions would suggest?

00:22:35.000 We can kind of see where this is headed in the language models.

00:22:38.000 We can see the sophistication and the outright creepiness of the power of chat GPT.

00:22:43.000 At the same time, though, there have been far more technological predictions that have failed in the timeline than have ever actually come to fruition.

00:22:52.000 Now, this might be different.

00:22:54.000 This actually might be the one that is ahead of the curve.

00:22:56.000 There is an accelerant behind this, a lot of money, and also, but Joe, can you kind of riff on that a little bit?

00:23:03.000 Because there is this sense in the high-minded tech communities that this thing is coming.

00:23:09.000 We might as well get on the right side of it.

00:23:11.000 We have to start merging it.

00:23:12.000 It's just a matter of time before we're putting stuff into our heads.

00:23:16.000 And I'm a little bit more skeptical when I start hearing groupthink from people that I've been wrong about basically everything.

00:23:22.000 Where do you fall on this, Joe?

00:23:24.000 You know, to steal a line that Nick Bostrom, in fact, stole, the predictions are as confident as they are diverse.

00:23:33.000 And that has always been the case.

00:23:35.000 Futurists have never, no single futurist has ever envisioned even the immediate future, let alone the long-term future, exactly right.

00:23:44.000 And all of their visions for the future diverge.

00:23:48.000 But what I do, and I try my best to capture that diversity.

00:23:53.000 What I do see happening, though, if you look at even the predictions from the post-war era, or if you go all the way back to H.G. Wells and his contemporaries.

00:24:03.000 I was going to mention it.

00:24:04.000 Yeah, the one mind, right?

00:24:06.000 That's Gnosticism.

00:24:07.000 But yeah, keep it.

00:24:08.000 At its core, I think the project of futurism, as you have all these different visions moving towards the future, and as you have powerful people and powerful corporations who sign on to these visions of the future, some approximation of those futures does, in fact, come to pass.

00:24:26.000 And so while I'm not myself a futurist, and I don't try to predict even the next decade with any exacting accuracy, I do think that something like a broad vision of what is around the corner can be gleaned from these futurist predictions if only by looking at the intention and the power of the people who are pushing them.

00:24:49.000 Now, I think that the myth of inevitability is extremely dangerous because it paralyzes people in the face of change.

00:24:58.000 And I also think that the myth of progress is a real danger because it means that you just simply aren't part of the relevant course of history.

00:25:06.000 I think that people who do not want these futures, which are definitely coming from the top down, if they don't want to live them out or sign on to them, then they have to first be able to reject them and secondly to envision their future.

00:25:22.000 What future do you want?

00:25:23.000 Not just in the next five years, but for your children, your grandchildren for civilization as a whole.

00:25:29.000 And in clinical literature, people that deal with teleological anxiety, meaning where are they going, that's actually rather daunting.

00:25:38.000 And so, for example, you know, a common thing, Jordan Peterson talks about, he didn't come up with this, but he's popularized it.

00:25:44.000 Here's a one-page piece of paper.

00:25:46.000 What do you want?

00:25:47.000 And a majority of people really, they can't articulate what do you want your life to look like?

00:25:52.000 What are your goals?

00:25:53.000 What do you want your species to look like?

00:25:55.000 These are existential questions when in reality, Joe, most people would just be kind of told, tell me what to do.

00:26:01.000 Tell me what to want.

00:26:03.000 And so if I'm understanding you correctly, which I agree completely, is that while we still have time left on the clock, should we be now sending out a distress signal?

00:26:13.000 Now's the time to organize your sovereignty.

00:26:16.000 Now's the time to commit to wanting to be free.

00:26:19.000 Is that a fair summary of the call to action, Joe Allen?

00:26:24.000 Absolutely.

00:26:25.000 I think it will be different for different people and different societies.

00:26:29.000 So that in America and different regions or even subcultures of America, the response to the future is always going to be different.

00:26:36.000 But there are some basic orientations that can be generalized.

00:26:42.000 The orientation of transhumanists or accelerationists, this is an orientation which holds technology up as the highest power on earth and is a sort of salvific force that that is the salvation of humanity.

00:26:56.000 And there are various other secular and what I have the most affinity for, the spiritual or religious traditions, these do stand as a counterpoint to that, especially the spiritual traditions.

00:27:10.000 But they're obviously the world is quite a diverse place and there will be diverse responses to that sort of technocratic or transhumanist orientation towards technology as the way forward.

00:27:23.000 And I think that we are coming to an inflection point where it may not be binary, but it will be very different in those places, in those cultures which accept this as being the norm and those which resist it.

00:27:37.000 Those trajectories are going to be significantly different, however much gray area there is between them.

00:27:44.000 Yeah, and I think that, I mean, look, most people that, I mean, there's a potential of mass job displacement and not just in the ways that you might anticipate.

00:27:53.000 You know, there's a new article out that they say, oh, the news is now going to be administered by AI-created people.

00:27:59.000 I say, how's that any different than CNN?

00:28:01.000 It's just going to save them money, right?

00:28:02.000 They just hire some, it's the same thing.

00:28:04.000 For us, we have our jobs protected because the AI doesn't agree with everything we say, at least protected for now.

00:28:10.000 However, Joe, I want to explore this Gnostic element and also talk about H.G. Wells' essay/slash book, World Mind.

00:28:17.000 I think there is this belief that the connectivity of a hive mind, a oneness, which is the gnosis, that's where we get the word Gnosticism.

00:28:27.000 There is this hermetic, almost magic wizardry appeal to AI that goes back thousands and thousands of years.

00:28:38.000 Joe Allen, the book is Dark Eon.

00:28:39.000 Check it out.

00:28:40.000 And the book will be released on August 29th.

00:28:43.000 I think we have that long before the machines take over the world.

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00:29:53.000 So Joe, talk about any positives that could come out of AI now being at our disposal and taking over the world.

00:30:00.000 You know what?

00:30:00.000 I think that artificial intelligence is really going to force people to reckon with human limitation, and it will force people to understand what it means to be human in the face of something that at least seems like an artificial or non-human intelligence.

00:30:19.000 Well, that was really succinct.

00:30:21.000 Yeah, I mean, for me, and this is, you know, I went through a lot of, I actually did a whole weekend of thinking about this while my phone was off.

00:30:26.000 I said, look, it's going to challenge me to be the best possible human I can.

00:30:29.000 If I lose out to machines, then so be it.

00:30:32.000 But I'm going to become the best version of myself and I'm going to use it as an iron-sharpening iron type thing.

00:30:37.000 But I have a soul and the machine does not.

00:30:39.000 I have a soul and the machine does not.

00:30:41.000 And that needs to be repeated.

00:30:42.000 And it goes back to Genesis 126, 127, one of the most important scriptures.

00:30:47.000 Who are we as human beings?

00:30:49.000 We are made in the image of the Creator.

00:30:51.000 The machine is not. 0.98

00:30:52.000 So Dark Eon, Transhumanism, and the War Against Humanity. 0.95

00:30:55.000 Let's talk immediate, like 30, 60, 90 days.

00:30:58.000 What is getting rolled out here?

00:30:59.000 Because it looks like Chat GPT is ahead of the curve.

00:31:02.000 It's now at like a college level, language processing, job displacement.

00:31:06.000 We're going to see, this is not going to be a soft landing.

00:31:09.000 Is that fair to say, Joe?

00:31:10.000 There's going to be mass protests.

00:31:12.000 I think there'll be clumsiness, economic anxiety.

00:31:15.000 The rich will only get richer.

00:31:16.000 Buckle up, as we would say on the Charlie Kirk show, Joe Allen.

00:31:20.000 Absolutely.

00:31:21.000 I think the rider strike is a preview of what will come.

00:31:24.000 I agree.

00:31:25.000 It really is.

00:31:27.000 I don't think the Chat GPT or any of its corresponding technologies, like say BARD, I don't think that they have anything like human creativity.

00:31:38.000 The best human writers far exceed them.

00:31:41.000 However, mediocre writers are going to get left in the dust.

00:31:46.000 And I think Hollywood has had a problem with that for a long time.

00:31:49.000 As it moves out, though, into the corporate world, as it moves out into other creative endeavors, and it already is, two things are going to happen.

00:31:57.000 One, people who are becoming excellent are not going to be challenged with the sort of drudge work that would have been required in a pre-AI era.

00:32:07.000 And I think that a lot of the practice and a lot of the discipline will suffer because of that.

00:32:12.000 Also, though, more and more, you're going to see, I think, the expansion of what Yuval Noah Harari so detestably called the useless class.

00:32:22.000 I believe Harari was 100% right about that.

00:32:25.000 That there is already a growing useless class, and there will be a much larger useless class going forward.

00:32:33.000 The answer to that to me, make yourself useful and make other people of use.

00:32:42.000 So, this is going to be one of the, I mean, is it fair to say that this will be the existential question for the species over the next five years?

00:32:53.000 Is this going to happen in the next five years, 10 years, 20 years?

00:32:56.000 I look at this as kind of a multi-decade question, Joe.

00:33:00.000 I mean, it's going to make, I think, the transition from agrarian to the Industrial Revolution look like child's play.

00:33:05.000 And every intelligent prognosticator believes the same. 0.51

00:33:10.000 You look at something that has been really jarring of late.

00:33:13.000 We've covered this since they first announced it.

00:33:16.000 Amazon's Amazon One payment system, the Palm payment system, rolling out in every Whole Food store now, has been at many Whole Food stores for over a year and a half.

00:33:28.000 That's right.

00:33:28.000 I'm not shocked.

00:33:30.000 Yeah, I'll keep going.

00:33:31.000 Sorry.

00:33:31.000 Yeah, going into entertainment venues, going into Panera Bread, all of these different places.

00:33:37.000 So that Palm payment system has religious significance for Christians who are well-versed in the prophecies of Revelation with the mark on the hand in order to buy or sell.

00:33:51.000 Also, it ties into Sam Altman's project, WorldCoin or World ID, the kind of evil orb that takes your IRIS scan, ties that to a blockchain-based currency, and also can be used, and they're partnering with governments right now, used as a biometric identification for various purposes.

00:34:13.000 The one he proposes that stands out the most is that it would be used to verify your humanness on the internet in an era in which bots are already growing in number but will proliferate.

00:34:26.000 So, ChatGPT from OpenAI, created by Sam Altman, creates a problem.

00:34:32.000 Sam Altman has a solution on the other side to tie your biometric identity to your digital identity, to your wallet, and ultimately to your access to certain parts of the internet.

00:34:44.000 These are the immediate manifestations of long-term trends.

00:34:49.000 If you look at, for instance, the history of credit card adoption and credit card use, it kind of chugged along for a time, and then as it became more and more convenient and integrated into the economic system, shot up.

00:35:03.000 I don't think there are enough people who are alarmed by the concept of biometric payment systems to stop that ball from rolling.

00:35:12.000 So whatever the ultimate outcome is, we are moving into an era where these sorts of technologies will be adopted in greater and greater numbers, and the extremity of those technologies will increase over time.

00:35:26.000 And that's, going forward, we are already there at this point of bifurcation among those who would like to keep things as they are or maybe even turn back the clock a little bit towards a more human era and those who want to race forward.

00:35:40.000 And as I said before, that gray area in between, I believe, will shrink significantly.

00:35:45.000 And you're right, it is, it's not something that tomorrow you'll wake up and suddenly robots will be flying out of the sky.

00:35:51.000 It's just long term.

00:35:54.000 Joe Allen, check out his book, Dark Eon.

00:35:56.000 Thank you so much.

00:35:57.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:58.000 Email us your thoughts as always freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:01.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - August 08, 2023

How the House Can Beat Jack Smith with Rep. Matt Gaetz and Joe Allen

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