The Charlie Kirk Show - How the Left Legalized Lawlessness with Newt Gingrich

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:00.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, the great Newt Gingrich.

00:00:04.000 We talk election fraud, the 2020 election, and more.

00:00:08.000 If you enjoy these interviews, then please consider supporting us at charliekirk.com slash support, charliekirk.com/slash support.

00:00:16.000 Email us your questions as always at freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:00:19.000 And if you want to come to the can't miss event of the year in Palm Beach, 5,000 young people from all across the country, tpusa.com/slash SAS.

00:00:29.000 It's tpusa.com/slash S-A-S.

00:00:32.000 Newt Gingrich is here.

00:00:33.000 Buckle up, everybody.

00:00:35.000 Here we go.

00:00:36.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:38.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

00:00:40.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:43.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:00:47.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:48.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:49.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:00:57.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:01:06.000 That's why we are here.

00:01:09.000 Truth is so important to me.

00:01:12.000 Pursuing truth is a huge part of who I am and what I stand for.

00:01:15.000 When you look around at what's happening to our country, you can see why many people are experiencing real frustration with the news media along with feelings of uncertainty and a lack of hope for the future.

00:01:24.000 How can we know which news is true and where or in whom can we place our trust?

00:01:28.000 The only place I found unwavering truth and peace is in my faith in Jesus Christ.

00:01:33.000 If 2020 has beaten down your spirit, I'd like to recommend a book to you called Reflections on the Existence of God by best-selling author Richard Simmons III.

00:01:44.000 Reflections on the Existence of God is a collection of short essays that tackles the biggest question of all.

00:01:49.000 Does God exist?

00:01:52.000 This book is well researched and easy to read.

00:01:54.000 Former White House aide Wallace Henley says, quote, I've taught apologetics for many years and have read every scholar mentioned in this book.

00:02:02.000 Of all the books on apologetics, Simmons is the best I have ever read.

00:02:06.000 If you want to challenge yourself to spiritual and intellectual growth, then be willing to ask yourself life's toughest questions.

00:02:12.000 I challenge you right now to get your copy of Reflections on the Existence of God by Richard Simmons III.

00:02:18.000 Go to reflectionscharlie.com.

00:02:21.000 That's reflectionscharlie.com.

00:02:26.000 Hey, everybody.

00:02:27.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:30.000 We are thrilled to be joined today by probably one of the sharpest and most important minds on the planet, former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich.

00:02:41.000 Mr. Gingrich is also, he runs Newt 360 and Newt's World.

00:02:45.000 So make sure you check out those two very important platforms.

00:02:49.000 Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show, Mr. Speaker.

00:02:51.000 Charlie, it's always good to be with you.

00:02:54.000 And frankly, if I can give that kind of a flattering introduction, you can have me anytime.

00:02:58.000 Well, thank you.

00:02:59.000 And so can you just kick us off by giving us your analysis of what happened a couple weeks ago on Election Day?

00:03:09.000 I'm under the impression and the opinion, as is many other people, that this was a red wave that was basically interrupted by four cities that decided to stop counting and with some immense irregularities.

00:03:23.000 Republicans and President Trump did incredibly well.

00:03:27.000 How do you see things?

00:03:29.000 Well, look, I think if you separate the Trump situation, which was so heavily motivated by absolute hatred by the news media, the internet companies, et cetera, and you look at the rest of the election, it was a substantial Republican victory.

00:03:49.000 I think people like Charlie Cook who study elections are shocked by how well Kevin McCarthy and the House Republicans have done.

00:03:58.000 The Republicans gained seats in the state House and state Senate.

00:04:02.000 They picked up a governorship in the U.S. Senate in a very difficult environment in terms of who was up.

00:04:09.000 We had an amazing number of victories, including Olympia Snow, I mean Susan Collins, who in Maine ran, I think, 15 points ahead of Trump to get reelected.

00:04:22.000 And the truth is, other than the two Georgia Senate seats, we're on the way to a very good night.

00:04:29.000 We're already guaranteed 50.

00:04:30.000 And if we win, either one of the two, Georgia seats will be a majority, and McConnell will still be in charge of the Senate.

00:04:38.000 Pelosi has what may be the narrowest margin since 1919. 1.00

00:04:46.000 And it's going to be almost impossible for her to effectively hold the House together.

00:04:51.000 And the Democrats, I'm writing a newsletter at Gingrich 360, pointing out that in 92, Bill Clinton won, and in 94, we elected the first House majority in 40 years, picking up 53 seats.

00:05:06.000 In 2008, Obama won.

00:05:09.000 And in 2010, John Boehner led a campaign called Where are the Jobs?

00:05:15.000 He picked up 63 seats, 10 more than I did.

00:05:18.000 And my question for the House Democrats is going to be: so how many seats do you think you'll lose in 2022?

00:05:26.000 Will it be a Gingrich-size wave or a Boehner-size wave?

00:05:30.000 But in any case, it's extraordinarily likely that this is the last term for the Democratic majority for the near future.

00:05:39.000 Then you get to the presidential campaign.

00:05:41.000 By the way, the other good news was that on referendums, voters around the country, even in California, were turning down left-wing ideas.

00:05:50.000 So every time you look below the presidency, we were doing fine.

00:05:55.000 And it raises real questions about the presidential results because it's a little hard to imagine us picking up House seats, state legislative seats, governorships, and somehow having Biden run that far ahead of his ticket, particularly given Biden's campaign.

00:06:12.000 I think that it is, first of all, I stipulate the Democrats in the near future are always going to have a majority of the popular vote because we don't really compete in New York, Illinois, and California.

00:06:25.000 So they come out of those states with huge margins.

00:06:28.000 But everywhere else, we're very competitive.

00:06:30.000 And I think that it's, in my mind, and we're sorry, we're in the middle of the count right now in Georgia, but in my mind, Georgia, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan are all contested states.

00:06:47.000 And I think it's very hard for me to believe that any of them is legal.

00:06:53.000 Nevada, the state legislature and the governor, who are Democrats, they just basically rewrote the election law in the spring to make it legal to do everything illegal.

00:07:04.000 And you can't contest it.

00:07:05.000 There are, former Attorney General Adam Laxall says there are 600,000 votes that no Republican has ever seen.

00:07:14.000 And that they blocked off.

00:07:17.000 So in effect, you have a legally corrupt state in which the Democrats have passed laws that are just remarkably corrupt.

00:07:26.000 In Georgia, for reasons that are beyond my comprehension, the Republican Secretary of State agreed to a negotiated agreement with Stacey Abrams.

00:07:36.000 You can't challenge the absentee votes.

00:07:40.000 So there were a million 260,000 absentee ballots.

00:07:45.000 In 2018, with a much smaller number, 3.5% were thrown out.

00:07:51.000 This year it was 0.3.

00:07:55.000 So, they want us to believe that there were 10 times as many ballots thrown out on a smaller vote.

00:08:02.000 You would think the opposite would be true.

00:08:03.000 If you had a giant vote, there were probably more, not fewer.

00:08:07.000 And technically, under the agreement that the Secretary of State signed, they can't go out and check any addresses.

00:08:15.000 I mean, the whole thing is so crazy that I've called on the state legislature to take it over because it was a change of state law without the approval of the state legislature.

00:08:27.000 And if they go back and count those ballots, my guess is it's worth 40,000 votes, just that one thing.

00:08:34.000 So, anyhow, that's a sweeping overview of kind of where we are.

00:08:40.000 It's very well put.

00:08:41.000 I have a question about Georgia.

00:08:43.000 So, this was a Republican Secretary of State who basically surrendered to the non-elected Stacey Abrams, just gave her whatever she wanted, who was funded by tech billionaires and Hollywood liberals who were putting tons of money behind Stacey Abrams.

00:09:00.000 Why would a Republican Secretary of State do this in Georgia?

00:09:03.000 I'm very fascinated with Georgia.

00:09:05.000 You know the state better than basically anyone.

00:09:08.000 How is that possible?

00:09:09.000 Well, let me say, first of all, I think Stacy, to her credit, had raised over $40 million just for the purpose of reshaping the electorate.

00:09:18.000 And she had brought in a very tough Washington law firm that knew what it was doing.

00:09:25.000 The Secretary of State, you know, the way I would put it simple: Republicans play badminton and Democrats play pro-football.

00:09:34.000 Now, you put a badminton team out on the field and a pro-football team out in the field.

00:09:38.000 Guess who's going to get run over?

00:09:40.000 And so, you have these nice, well-meaning people who, you know, may have a good time at the country club on Sunday lunch, but they don't have a clue of the war they're in.

00:09:49.000 On the other side, you have people like Stacey, who, as a competitor, you have to respect.

00:09:55.000 She's ruthless, she's tough, she's determined. 0.99

00:09:59.000 And she took these guys, both the governor and the Secretary of State, got taken to the cleaners.

00:10:05.000 And I think the only hope we have in Georgia is for the legislature to stand up as under the Constitution, it very specifically says the election of the electors is a function of the legislature, not the governor, not Secretary of State, not the courts.

00:10:21.000 And so the Georgia legislature, which is Republican, could intervene, demand a recount, and then let the Democrats sue to block us from checking on phony ballots.

00:10:32.000 Let's let the whole country see how determined they are to protect the right of people who are illegal to vote.

00:10:39.000 It's the worst possible combination because you had more absentee ballots than ever before and a lower rate of rejection.

00:10:45.000 So it was exponentially worse than it was.

00:10:49.000 One of the things I'm checking on now, so I can't say this with certainty, but in the spring and summer, the Secretary of State said there were at least 1,000 people who double voted.

00:10:59.000 That is, they got an absentee ballot, voted it, and showed up at the polls.

00:11:05.000 And I have not seen any reference to double voting because, of course, if you can't check the absentee ballot, then how do you know whether or not the person double voted?

00:11:15.000 And so, but there were a thousand this summer in the primaries.

00:11:20.000 So I think, again, every time you turn around, now they did find a substantial number of votes in Floyd County that had not even been reported, which is a very, very Republican county, probably nets 800 or more for Trump and shrinking Biden's majority.

00:11:38.000 But you see the same, by the way, it's worse in Philadelphia.

00:11:42.000 Philadelphia may be the most corrupt political city in the United States.

00:11:46.000 And it's worse in Nevada, where they literally have outlawed any legality.

00:11:52.000 It's an amazing case.

00:11:54.000 I may write a book about this because some of that now that we're digging into it, some of these stories are so unbelievably abusive of common sense and decency that they need to, the country needs to realize how badly we need election reform.

00:12:13.000 This holiday season, more people will be mailing stuff than ever before.

00:12:16.000 That means the post office is going to be busy.

00:12:18.000 You don't have time for that.

00:12:19.000 Stamps.com brings the post office and now UPS shipping right to your computer.

00:12:24.000 Mail and ship anything from the convenience of your home or office.

00:12:27.000 With stamps.com, anything you can do at the post office, you can do in just a few clicks.

00:12:33.000 Plus, stamps.com saves you money with deep discounts that you can't even get at the post office.

00:12:38.000 Stamps.com brings you the service of the U.S. Postal Service and UPS right to your computer.

00:12:44.000 Stamps.com is a must-have for any business, whether you're a small office sending out invoices, an online seller fulfilling orders during this record-setting holiday season, or even a giant warehouse sending thousands of packages a day, stamps.com can handle it all with ease.

00:12:57.000 With stamps.com, you get five cents off every first-class stamp and 40% off priority mail and 62% off UPS shipping rates.

00:13:06.000 Stamps.com is a no-brainer, saving you time and money.

00:13:08.000 It's no wonder why over 900,000 small businesses already use stamps.com.

00:13:13.000 We use stamps.com and you should too.

00:13:15.000 Stamps.com is terrific.

00:13:16.000 So don't spend a minute of your Christmas season at the post office this year.

00:13:21.000 Sign up for stamps.com instead.

00:13:23.000 There's no risk.

00:13:24.000 With my promo code Kirk, K-I-R-K, you get a special offer that includes a four-week trial plus free postage and a digital scale.

00:13:31.000 No long-term commitments or contracts.

00:13:32.000 Just go to stamps.com, click on the microphone at the top of the homepage, and type in Kirk, K-I-R-K.

00:13:38.000 That's stamps.com.

00:13:39.000 Enter Kirk, stamps.com.

00:13:40.000 Never go to the post office again.

00:13:45.000 Mr. Speaker, I want to follow up with what you were saying in regard to some of these discrepancies.

00:13:51.000 So I'm from the Midwest.

00:13:52.000 I grew up in Northern Illinois, and I experienced when I was a freshman in high school, the Barack Obama 2008 campaign.

00:13:59.000 It had a kinetic energy to it.

00:14:02.000 Everyone was on board.

00:14:04.000 Even Republicans were voting for Obama.

00:14:06.000 It is very hard for me to believe that with the incredible movement that Obama had in 2008, that Joe Biden did better than Barack Obama in Dane County, Wisconsin, with the University of Wisconsin-Madison closed.

00:14:20.000 Not only did he do better, he had 60,000 more votes and even adjusted for population increases.

00:14:27.000 He did about 10% better per the current population than Barack Obama did at his highest point.

00:14:33.000 It's hard for me to be able to look at this just objectively and think that there is not something nefarious going on.

00:14:41.000 A lot of people say that we should not talk about voter fraud or talk about the cutting of the corners by the Democrats.

00:14:49.000 What do you think the proper approach for those of us that want to see this remedied?

00:14:53.000 What do you think the proper approach is?

00:14:56.000 Well, look, I think, and I just wrote a newsletter about this the other day.

00:15:01.000 If you really believe, as our Declaration of Independence says, that you've been endowed by your creator with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, all of that's based on the rule of law.

00:15:16.000 And Lincoln, in particular, was extraordinarily eloquent throughout the Civil War in describing the importance of the rule of law.

00:15:26.000 So the rule of law starts with your sacred right to vote because you're picking the people to whom you're going to loan power.

00:15:36.000 And if your vote is canceled by an illegal vote, or if your vote is drowned by 50 illegal votes, we just took away your most fundamental safeguard as an American.

00:15:48.000 So my view, forget Trump.

00:15:51.000 My view is that this election is so clearly, for the first time, you've had the intensity of a presidential spotlight on corruption, which we used to tolerate, which got much bigger because I believe the left knew they couldn't beat Trump in a fair fight.

00:16:10.000 And they were so desperate to beat him.

00:16:14.000 They hated him so deeply that I think they spent several years laying the framework for just plain breaking the law.

00:16:22.000 So I think whatever you think about Trump, as Americans, we have an obligation to learn what happened.

00:16:29.000 And we have an obligation, I think, to change the laws.

00:16:32.000 I mean, Georgia is going to have to go back in and fundamentally rewrite the law.

00:16:36.000 And the principles ought to be simple.

00:16:38.000 Every person gets to cast a legal ballot.

00:16:41.000 We get to know that you did it.

00:16:43.000 We get to know that you are legal.

00:16:45.000 It gets to be counted legally.

00:16:48.000 Nobody who's illegal of any kind, including dead people, should be allowed to vote.

00:16:53.000 And you shouldn't have ballot harvesting.

00:16:55.000 When I look at, for example, three times as many 90-year-olds voted in Wisconsin as two years ago, more than ever in history.

00:17:04.000 And I start thinking about unions like the Service Employees International Union, which have unionized a large number of nursing homes.

00:17:14.000 And so you have a union worker come by to pick up a ballot for a senior citizen.

00:17:19.000 Well, guess what advice they're going to get when they vote?

00:17:23.000 Or if they're frankly not capable of knowing what's going on, but they sign their name, then the union member is going to vote for them.

00:17:31.000 And I think that is just as illegal as anything else.

00:17:35.000 So I think we're at a real crossroads in reclaiming our rights as Americans and making sure that government isn't literally stolen from us.

00:17:44.000 And in Pennsylvania, they had a 1,774% voter registration increase for people over 90 years old in the midst of a pandemic.

00:17:54.000 So you have a raging pandemic and out of nowhere, people 90 plus years old decide to go register to vote at a rate that is so dramatic, it's a 1,774% increase.

00:18:05.000 Something there does not add up.

00:18:07.000 And it's something where the New York Times actually wrote an article back in 2012.

00:18:11.000 They call it granny farming, where you intercept the ballots to and from.

00:18:16.000 You go to, unfortunately, there's dementia units.

00:18:19.000 There are people that are not all there cognitively.

00:18:23.000 And you have people that prey on them and are able to get the vote that they desire.

00:18:31.000 The issue that I find, Mr. Speaker, is that we as Republicans and conservatives, not President Trump, but most people kind of in the bureaucracy of the Republican Party, they refuse to contest on these election issues because it wasn't something that they thought they had to get into and they found it to be too messy.

00:18:51.000 It's just like, we'll just discuss ideas and then we'll win.

00:18:54.000 But the Democrats are now into the mechanics of politics.

00:18:57.000 They always have been.

00:18:58.000 And now you're starting to see that that's actually how elections are being decided.

00:19:02.000 Mr. Speaker, I want to ask you about the future of the Republican Party.

00:19:07.000 We don't know how this election will end up being remedied.

00:19:10.000 Hopefully the Supreme Court will intercede.

00:19:12.000 But I think that President Trump has changed the Republican Party for the better, especially to now become a working person's party. 0.52

00:19:19.000 He won more non-white voters than any Republican since 1960.

00:19:24.000 He won counties in West Texas near El Paso that Republicans haven't won in nearly 100 years.

00:19:30.000 How do you think that President Trump has positively impacted the future of the Republican Party?

00:19:35.000 Well, I think, first of all, his focus on America and the idea that our policies should be based around American interests, I think has been very healthy and just made a lot of sense to lots of people.

00:19:49.000 Second, I think his understanding that the deep state and the giant bureaucracies are inevitably in conflict with the rights of individuals has been very well received.

00:20:00.000 Third, I think his understanding that if you cut taxes, cut regulations, and encourage the business climate and small businesses, you create huge numbers of jobs.

00:20:11.000 We're literally seeing it right now.

00:20:12.000 There's a momentum which will sadly, I think, be broken by Biden if he wins.

00:20:18.000 But Trump, you know, one of the reasons he's doing better with African Americans and Latinos is simple.

00:20:25.000 They had better jobs, they had more jobs, and they had rising incomes.

00:20:29.000 And they looked around and said, huh, this is actually working.

00:20:33.000 So I think that in that sense, there will probably be a three-way, I'm making this up, but I think it may be right.

00:20:41.000 There'll probably be a three-way fight in the Republican Party.

00:20:44.000 There will be the old establishment, country club, think tank party.

00:20:51.000 This is where the never Trumpers came from.

00:20:53.000 There will be a group in the middle that are sort of wishy-washy, not quite sure what they're doing, trying to avoid anybody yelling at them.

00:21:02.000 And then there will be probably 60 or 65% of the country of the party, which will be very Trump-like.

00:21:08.000 They'll be very committed to, you know, for example, we're going to go into a cycle of shutdowns again because Biden's victory will be interpreted.

00:21:16.000 I just saw Fauci saying we might have to give up Christmas.

00:21:21.000 You know, I'm frankly enraged that in some states, a casino is an essential, but a church is not. 1.00

00:21:30.000 And I think you're likely to see a growing anti-government sentiment as we watch these Democratic governors act like idiots and favor their particular ideology. 0.97

00:21:41.000 And if Biden brings that same spirit to the whole country, I think by March or April, you'll have a get government out of my life wing of the Republican Party, which is really the heart of Trumpism. 0.99

00:21:54.000 I always have told people, Trump's not essentially a conservative.

00:21:57.000 Trump's essentially an anti-liberal.

00:22:00.000 He says that the effect of anti-liberalism is to strengthen conservatism.

00:22:05.000 He didn't sit around and read Bill Buckley and read National Review. 1.00

00:22:09.000 He just got up and said, that stuff's stupid. 1.00

00:22:11.000 And everybody as a conservative applauded him. 1.00

00:22:13.000 And it didn't occur to them that he hadn't done all the right reading, which is why you get these never-Trumpers who are offended because they spent a lifetime reading all that stuff.

00:22:23.000 And they knew that they knew and he didn't know, but he was effective and they weren't effective and drove him crazy.

00:22:29.000 I always loved your framing that you presented of him being as the most successful anti-leftist figure in modern political history.

00:22:38.000 And that actually helped Republicans down ballot all across the country and in Senate races because in response to President Trump, the left did not try to normalize their positions or try to become more centrist.

00:22:52.000 They just tried to outwoke each other, where they decided to talk more about transgender bathrooms and BLM Incorporated and defunding the police.

00:23:01.000 And in complete opposition to what a lot of people thought would happen in the House of Representatives, Kevin McCarthy is on pace to probably be Speaker of the House in 2022.

00:23:11.000 And a lot of that is thanks to President Trump and the way that he actually framed the argument.

00:23:16.000 What is common sense?

00:23:17.000 What are issues that we care about? 0.61

00:23:19.000 And of course, the left and the Democrats decided to basically get rid of all the blue dogs and embrace AOC, Rashida Talib, Elon Omar, and many of those others. 0.64

00:23:30.000 So I love your framing of the three types of the Republican Party, the country club, Republicans, and the Chamber of Commerce types, the people in the middle, and then the kind of more movement conservatives.

00:23:41.000 I think President Trump has really presented and laid the foundation for movement conservatives now to really run the party.

00:23:50.000 I've always loved, Mr. Speaker, your pieces where you talk about solutions and things that we should run for and actually not just run against things.

00:23:58.000 For Republicans that are now going to be in leadership in the House minority or also the Senate majority, what should we concretely talk about on a policy side on health care, on foreign policy, so that we can actually do what you did in the 1990s and build coalitions that actually impact people's lives?

00:24:18.000 I think a couple easy first ones.

00:24:21.000 We should be for transparency in health care so you can know the price and the quality of anything you're paying for.

00:24:28.000 The estimate by Art Laffer, The Economist, was that transparency would probably take 40% out of the cost of health care because you'd have a competitive market and you would know what's worth buying and what's not.

00:24:41.000 So that's an example of where we ought to go.

00:24:43.000 I think in education, we ought to be on the side of the students and against the teachers' union.

00:24:48.000 I mean, this insanity in Fairfax County, Virginia, they're spending $3 billion for a school system that isn't teaching.

00:24:56.000 Now, why would you spend the money?

00:24:58.000 I mean, if they don't want to teach, fine, they can go on vacation.

00:25:00.000 But why should we pay for it?

00:25:02.000 And I think all over the country, people begin to realize that the teachers' unions are about the union.

00:25:08.000 They're not about the students.

00:25:09.000 They're not even about normal teachers.

00:25:12.000 There's power centers that are desperate to survive.

00:25:16.000 We're going to, you know, the woke wing of the Democratic Party won't be able to help itself.

00:25:22.000 I just noticed that Biden has appointed as part of the Treasury Transition Team somebody who's a passionate advocate for reparations for African Americans.

00:25:33.000 Now, reparations are technically unmanageable.

00:25:37.000 You can't possibly define how you would do it. 1.00

00:25:40.000 Elizabeth Warren's brief life as a Native American ought to remind everyone what this kind of stuff goes to. 1.00

00:25:47.000 But they just are not going to be able to help themselves. 0.99

00:25:49.000 They're going to get into issue after issue that is, you know, whether it's the transgender issue or it's allowing males who have become female to compete in sports, wiping out the women who are still women who are competing.

00:26:04.000 There'll be a hundred different cultural issues like this.

00:26:08.000 And my guess is that they will dive right back in, rejoin the World Health Organization, rejoin the Paris Agreement, et cetera, and deal with China the way China should be dealt with, given how much money that they've given to Biden, Hunter, and the Hunter family.

00:26:24.000 So it's going to be very interesting to watch them come to grips with reality.

00:26:30.000 And the average American is going to like the Trump formulas.

00:26:33.000 You know, our policies ought to be, for example, Trump campaigned to get us out of the Middle East.

00:26:39.000 He worked very hard to be very effective with minimum forces and destroyed ISIS, killed the leading Iranian general at no cost to the United States, is now pulling forces out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:26:53.000 Interesting to see whether Biden turns it around and reinserts for forces and how the country feels.

00:27:00.000 And that'll split the Democratic Party.

00:27:03.000 So it's going to be a fascinating period.

00:27:06.000 It's also going to be interesting.

00:27:07.000 I've noticed that a number of the anti-Trump people, Republicans, are now writing and making as much noise as they can.

00:27:15.000 It'll be interesting to watch when they realize they have no natural home.

00:27:21.000 They're not ideologically acceptable to the left, and they're no longer personally acceptable to the right.

00:27:26.000 And I think that that will be a very interesting reckoning over the next three or four years.

00:27:34.000 Have the best Thanksgiving and Christmas ever with good ranchers, free hickory, honey, holiday ham.

00:27:40.000 Every new subscription gets a Berkshire Hickory honey smoked ham for free.

00:27:45.000 The Berkshire hams are 100% no antibiotics ever, 100% hormone free, and 100% born and raised in America.

00:27:53.000 Hands down, the best ham you'll ever eat.

00:27:55.000 Berkshire pork, which is a heritage breed, is known as the world's best pork.

00:27:59.000 And the best part is 100% free with every new subscription.

00:28:02.000 Sign up today and get yours before we run out.

00:28:05.000 And as always, Good Ranchers is 100% American beef and chicken and now pork.

00:28:10.000 Steaks are always USDA choice and higher.

00:28:12.000 Chicken is 100% all-natural, no hormones added ever.

00:28:16.000 Good Ranchers began with the standard of bringing top quality, 100% American-born, raised, and harvested meat to families across America.

00:28:23.000 This vision was instilled into them from their grandparents that owned community grocery stores and believed in trust, charity, and family values.

00:28:29.000 Goodranchers.com partners only with American ranches from across the U.S. to bring the highest quality meat straight to your door.

00:28:35.000 So go to goodranchers.com.

00:28:36.000 That's goodranchers.com.

00:28:38.000 It's the place to go.

00:28:39.000 It's goodranchers of the nest.com.

00:28:41.000 For the price of a family going out to dinner, you can go to goodranchers.com.

00:28:44.000 Use the promo code Charlie to save $20 off your purchase.

00:28:47.000 Goodranchers.com, promo code Charlie.

00:28:52.000 The American people find no home in the kind of country club think tank class that just endlessly writes bad things about President Trump.

00:29:00.000 Normal people want nothing to do with that.

00:29:02.000 In fact, they don't even know who they are.

00:29:04.000 And so, Mr. Speaker, I want you to help build this out further because it's a really interesting kind of development in the political landscape.

00:29:13.000 In a unique turn of events, the Republican Party and conservatives, we are now actually fighting for traditional small L liberal values, free speech, for example.

00:29:24.000 We are fighting for the dignity of the individual.

00:29:27.000 We are fighting for being able to agree to disagree.

00:29:30.000 In a stunning turn of events, we are now actually critics of corporations having too much influence in governments, where the Biden transition team is staffed with every major tech executive you can imagine.

00:29:42.000 I actually think this is a healthy position for the Republican Party to be because I actually think it represents true conservative values.

00:29:50.000 Can you comment on how we've kind of seen this surprising kind of realignment politically where Democrats are against speech, they're almost pandering to corporate interests.

00:30:00.000 As you mentioned, Biden will probably get us in another foreign war and he'll probably redeploy troops, not try to withdraw them.

00:30:08.000 This is a huge sea change from where the Republicans and Democrats were even 15 years ago.

00:30:13.000 How do you view that?

00:30:14.000 Well, I think you're exactly right.

00:30:16.000 And it's one of the reasons Trump was so controversial because Trump, in effect, repudiated a large part of what had been the Republican establishment.

00:30:25.000 And I think, I mean, it was a position I had frankly migrated to over a 20-year period because we did a lot of things correct in World War II and in the Cold War, but that era was gone.

00:30:40.000 And you had to ask yourself, why were we still doing things that might have made sense in 1989?

00:30:47.000 I also think that it's increasingly obvious the totalitarian left can't win the argument, so they have to eliminate the arguer because they literally can't win the arguments.

00:31:01.000 And so their mission in life is to go out and do everything they can to crush the person who has an alternative viewpoint.

00:31:08.000 And that allows us, I think, to become the party of free speech, as you pointed out, become the party that seeks the truth.

00:31:16.000 You know, I'm writing a Thanksgiving newsletter for next week.

00:31:21.000 And it's kind of interesting to imagine how a left-winger would write the same newsletter because, of course, you can't talk about Thanksgiving and the Mayflower and all that.

00:31:30.000 You have to talk about Jamestown and 1619.

00:31:35.000 And I think the average American just thinks that's nuts.

00:31:38.000 So we're the party that believes you ought to stand for the national anthem and salute the flag.

00:31:43.000 They're the party that believes you ought to kneel, ignore the national anthem, and probably burn the flag.

00:31:49.000 And I think that gap psychologically is going to get bigger.

00:31:53.000 No, that's exactly right.

00:31:54.000 And the Democrats, just based on all indications we have post-election, are not all of a sudden dismissing their kind of woke masters.

00:32:05.000 They're re-embracing them.

00:32:07.000 They're doubling and tripling down on all of the worst kind of most radical influences in their party.

00:32:15.000 You see this with the Trump Accountability Project, where they're now listing every single donor and person that worked in the Trump White House or supported President Trump so that they can never get a job again, that they can be publicly named and shamed.

00:32:27.000 So we are seeing so many different examples of this.

00:32:30.000 Mr. Speaker, I want to ask you about an issue that impacts actually this conversation right now.

00:32:36.000 Many people will be watching this conversation on YouTube.

00:32:38.000 They'll be listening to it on podcasting.

00:32:40.000 The big tech companies are more powerful than any other companies we've ever seen in the history of the planet.

00:32:46.000 They know everything about us.

00:32:47.000 They have an increasingly totalitarian edge to them.

00:32:52.000 How should we as free market conservatives approach these big tech companies?

00:32:56.000 What is the right approach politically and also from a policy perspective?

00:33:01.000 Well, I mean, first of all, remember, all these people who yell free enterprise, the big tech companies exist because Section 230 of the Total Communications Act protects them from being sued.

00:33:12.000 So the first thing we ought to do is just take away that protection so that if the New York Post, the oldest newspaper in America and the fourth largest, gets knocked out by Twitter, they could sue Twitter for economic damages.

00:33:25.000 That will immediately sober them up.

00:33:28.000 Second, I think they have to in the end become common carriers.

00:33:32.000 That is, you know, if AT ⁇ T asserted it had the right to listen to your phone calls and to cut off the ones it didn't like, we'd all go crazy.

00:33:42.000 But we have tolerated these internet systems developing that kind of internal attitude. 0.65

00:33:49.000 And when you learn, for example, that Facebook has Chinese experts on censorship working in Seattle to help them develop their algorithms, I think it's very sobering. 0.78

00:34:04.000 So I think you, you know, conservatism has always involved great, this has been true all the way back to Jefferson and Washington. 0.97

00:34:12.000 It's always involved great skepticism about concentrations of power.

00:34:17.000 Because inevitably, as Adam Smith warned in The Wealth of Nations, anytime a group of businessmen get together, it's a conspiracy against the consumer.

00:34:28.000 And so I don't think they can yell free enterprise and then look at all the advantages they get, and whether it's patent law advantages or tax advantages, or you name it.

00:34:39.000 And I think it's, frankly, a lot of what Twitter did was, and to a lesser extent Facebook, was so unconscionable that I'm hoping that the new Senate and the new House will hold very extensive hearings because it really was a left-wing totalitarian movement.

00:35:00.000 And what happened with the Hunter Biden story was one of the creepiest and most stunning developments I have ever seen and we've ever seen with a private company interfering with a federal election.

00:35:13.000 And not what was so amazing, Mr. Speaker, is that Twitter went to testify in front of Congress.

00:35:20.000 And you would imagine that Jack Dorsey probably would have asked his team, hey, what questions are they going to ask me?

00:35:25.000 And probably one of his people said, well, they're probably going to ask you about the New York Post being locked out of their Twitter account.

00:35:32.000 And no one thought to say, hey, maybe we should give them their Twitter account before we go testify to Congress.

00:35:37.000 Imagine how much pride that takes.

00:35:40.000 Imagine the cockiness to not actually course correct or fix what you know they're going to ask you about.

00:35:47.000 And Jack Dorsey says, you know, oh, if they delete the tweet, then they can get their Twitter account.

00:35:51.000 Now, they did finally relent after about eight days of pressure.

00:35:55.000 They did finally let the New York Post back in.

00:35:58.000 But these tech companies actually think they run the country.

00:36:01.000 Well, no, look, they're not only censoring the president of the United States, which in itself is pretty amazing.

00:36:07.000 There was one particular day just before the election where they censored four out of six tweets by Rush Limbel.

00:36:14.000 So you have the most popular radio talk show hosts in the country being censored by a group of left-wingers in Silicon Valley.

00:36:23.000 And I think that's really a threat to our very freedoms.

00:36:27.000 Yeah, and if you can't have access to the public square, then, you know, how are you able even to interface?

00:36:32.000 So in closing, Mr. Speaker, what do you think the marching orders for conservative activists should be?

00:36:38.000 A lot of people have kind of pent-up energy right now.

00:36:41.000 They feel so frustrated that this election was stolen from them.

00:36:44.000 They're not sure the best way to actually stay engaged, stay involved, and what to do.

00:36:49.000 I actually think, regardless of how the presidential election shakes out with Dominion voting systems and all these different things we're looking into, Republicans are in a very good position.

00:36:59.000 And this election shows us that the American people, it's still a center-right country.

00:37:03.000 Despite everything that the power sources might tell you, we are still a center-right country.

00:37:09.000 What should activists do, and what's kind of your advice to them?

00:37:13.000 Well, I think activists should, first of all, I think activists should be noisy.

00:37:18.000 I think it's very important that people recognize if you're not in the public square, if you're not fighting, if you're not doing the things that need to get done, why would you expect anybody else to know what's up?

00:37:29.000 Second, they should look forward to the 2022 elections.

00:37:33.000 They should be out finding candidates right now.

00:37:35.000 They should take on every Democratic incumbent because as Trump proved this year, he was getting votes in places that you never expected him to get votes in.

00:37:46.000 And I think as the degree to which the Democrats stand for bad government and a bad quality of life for you, I think that we're going to have an opportunity in 2022 that may be the largest we've had in modern times.

00:38:00.000 And if you don't have candidates, you know, it doesn't work.

00:38:05.000 So I would say you want to go out and you want to have everybody you can organize every neighborhood of every ethnic background.

00:38:13.000 And then, frankly, we ought to emphasize not so much ideology, but common sense.

00:38:19.000 You know, common sense says children ought to be in school.

00:38:22.000 Every piece of data we have says children ought to be in school.

00:38:25.000 Common sense says you don't bankrupt small businesses.

00:38:29.000 You go down a list of common sense.

00:38:30.000 Common sense says if they're going to be violent criminals, you better have police.

00:38:35.000 So let's have a fight between a common sense party that wants your life to be better and an ideologically left-wing party that wants to dictate to you and tell you to chant my life is better even if it isn't.

00:38:47.000 And I think we win that fight by a big margin.

00:38:50.000 I agree.

00:38:50.000 And what the think tank group doesn't realize is that most of America is actually not ideological.

00:38:55.000 Most of America is actually just very pragmatic.

00:38:58.000 And that's why they tend to be center-right.

00:39:01.000 When the ideas are presented, they actually care much more about feeding their family and going to church than some think tank paper that is written about some philosopher they never heard of.

00:39:12.000 So, well, Mr. Speaker, thank you so much for joining us today.

00:39:14.000 Again, I want to say, Gingrich 360 Newts World, we love your commentary, and we hope to have you back again soon.

00:39:20.000 Charlie, as always, it's great to be with you.

00:39:22.000 You're a tremendous leader, and you're a part of why the resurgence in 2022 and 2024 is going to be so historic.

00:39:30.000 Thank you.

00:39:31.000 I deeply appreciate that.

00:39:32.000 God bless you.

00:39:33.000 Speak to you soon.

00:39:37.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:39:38.000 If you want to get involved with Turning Point USA, you can go to tpusa.com, tpusa.com.

00:39:43.000 Please consider supporting us at charliekirk.com/slash support.

00:39:47.000 Email us your questions as always at freedom at charliekirk.com, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:39:51.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:39:53.000 Listen to our previous episodes about Dominion voting systems and Hammer and Scorecard.

00:39:57.000 Thanks so much.

00:39:58.000 God bless.

00:39:59.000 Speak to you soon.

The Charlie Kirk Show - November 17, 2020

How the Left Legalized Lawlessness with Newt Gingrich

Episode Stats

Summary

Transcript