The Charlie Kirk Show - March 26, 2024


How the Left Rules Through Division


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Bill Federer joins us for a conversation about communism, socialism, and the book of Deuteronomy. Charlie and Bill talk about the Cloward Piven Strategy and how the left is intentionally trying to destroy the United States of America.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Bill Federer joins us for a conversation about communism, socialism, and the book of Deuteronomy.
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00:01:13.000 Continuing on this idea of looking at the Cloward Piven strategy and how the left is intentionally trying to destroy the America.
00:01:21.000 And I also want to get into Christian nationalism and so much more with my friend, Bill Federer.
00:01:27.000 Bill is a master historian, author of so many books.
00:01:30.000 I have several right here.
00:01:31.000 Bill, welcome back to the program.
00:01:33.000 Charlie, great to be with you.
00:01:34.000 So, Bill, Cloward Piven strategy, which was, of course, theorized by two academics back in the 60s and 70s.
00:01:42.000 Inform our audience of this idea that now seems to be reality.
00:01:46.000 Right.
00:01:47.000 So, after World War II, you had a debate going on in the Soviet Union.
00:01:53.000 Was communism supposed to rule Russia or rule the world?
00:01:58.000 And so, you had people like Stalin saying, well, we want to rule the world.
00:02:03.000 And the decision was made.
00:02:06.000 Is it through tanks or through a subversive approach?
00:02:11.000 And so, the socialist Antonio Gramsci dies in the Italian prison.
00:02:18.000 And he said, you can't conquer the West with tanks.
00:02:20.000 You have to do the long march through the institution.
00:02:23.000 You have to rot it from the inside.
00:02:25.000 And so that gave birth to this subversive backdoor approach.
00:02:30.000 And so you had Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal, and a lot of socialists infiltrated his ranks.
00:02:38.000 And it was this first attempt to have the federal government be the nanny to the country.
00:02:46.000 It's interesting.
00:02:47.000 James Madison said charity is no part of the duty of the federal government.
00:02:52.000 There was a famine in Texas, and Grover Cleveland vetoed a seed bill, which would give money.
00:02:59.000 And he said, there's no part of the federal government to be involved in charity.
00:03:02.000 And you have the famous speech by Davey Crockett, the congressman from Tennessee, that there was a fire in Georgetown, Washington, D.C., and the Congress was going to vote to give federal money.
00:03:14.000 And he said, no, it's not yours to give.
00:03:16.000 As individuals, you can give money, but the federal government cannot do charity.
00:03:21.000 But FDR, New Deal, he began to have the federal government be involved in redistributing wealth.
00:03:28.000 And socialism was a part of it, but it did not get institutionalized until Lyndon Johnson's Great Society Welfare State.
00:03:36.000 And that was based on Richard Cloward, Francis Piv in 1966, and their concept of get as many people to sign up for welfare as possible, and you'll backdoor them into a social dependency, and they'll give up their freedoms.
00:03:53.000 So there's two ways for people to give up their freedoms, fear and free stuff.
00:03:58.000 Fear is you come in and destabilize everything and they panic and they'll trade freedom for security.
00:04:05.000 But the second is free stuff.
00:04:07.000 And it's like a drug dealer takes over a neighborhood either with guns, get people in fear, they submit to the mob, or the drug dealer is so nice, he's giving away free drugs until you get hooked.
00:04:18.000 And so it's sort of a hunter catches animals through guns or bait.
00:04:23.000 And so this is the bait approach.
00:04:25.000 That's the Cloud Piven strategy.
00:04:26.000 Can you talk about other subversive strategies that are employed that history tells us, especially recently, ones that try to addict people to free stuff that try to overwhelm or undermine the American constitutional system, almost using the system against itself in an autoimmune type way to have the own immune system attack the body politic.
00:04:50.000 Right.
00:04:50.000 So, you know, the word devil in Greek means to divide, diabolos, to divide.
00:04:56.000 And imagine being in heaven and somebody sowing division.
00:04:59.000 Well, it happened.
00:05:00.000 It was Lucifer and he got cast out.
00:05:02.000 And then he goes into the garden and he sows division with Adam blaming Eve and Cain killing Abel.
00:05:06.000 And then there's an interesting period of Israel's history, the 400 years before they get a king called the Hebrew Republic.
00:05:13.000 And you have Gideon just defeated 100,000 Midianites. 0.94
00:05:17.000 There's nobody thinking on invading Israel.
00:05:20.000 But on the inside, he has an illegitimate son, Abimelech, and he wants power.
00:05:25.000 And so he goes to the town of Shechem and he does critical race theory, identity race politics.
00:05:31.000 He says, is it better for you that the sons of Gideon reign over you? 0.91
00:05:34.000 Remember also that I am your flesh and your bone.
00:05:37.000 And the men of Shechem said, well, we have to vote for him because he is our brother.
00:05:40.000 And so they go to the temple at Balbarith, the city treasury, and they take money to hire rioters, protesters, antipha, BLM type, vain and worthless persons. 0.75
00:05:51.000 And they took 70 pieces of silver out of the temple of Balbarith.
00:05:54.000 He hired these vain and worthless persons to do what? 0.92
00:05:57.000 To do violence. 0.96
00:05:58.000 And they killed the 70 brothers, half brothers of Gideon and all the rest. 0.88
00:06:03.000 And then the men of Shechem made Abimelech king.
00:06:05.000 So you have a country completely at peace, no threats on the inside.
00:06:08.000 Somebody's wanting to seize power.
00:06:11.000 And so it is a, it's like introducing an autoimmune disease into the body politic.
00:06:18.000 What's an autoimmune disease?
00:06:19.000 It's where your own immune system starts attacking your own organs.
00:06:23.000 You have a war going on on the inside of you.
00:06:26.000 Machiavelli perfected this 500 years ago.
00:06:30.000 Italy was a bunch of city-states, Venice, Genoa, Naples, Florence, Siena, and they always fought.
00:06:36.000 And Machiavelli thought if one prince could control all of Italy, it would stop the infighting.
00:06:42.000 So he writes a book called The Prince, where he advocates the ends justifies the means.
00:06:48.000 The end of one prince controlling all of Italy is such a good end because it'll stop all this infighting that any means necessary to get there is justified.
00:06:56.000 Lie cheat steel.
00:06:57.000 So if a prince conquers a city, the people would hate him.
00:07:00.000 But if the prince pays criminals, like Abimelech did, to smash windows and set things on fire and kill cows, the people will panic and want somebody to come in and restore order.
00:07:11.000 And the prince will come in, get rid of the very criminals he bribed to create the mess.
00:07:16.000 Nobody will know the better for it, and everyone will praise the prince as a hero.
00:07:20.000 So it's actually good marketing.
00:07:23.000 You create the need and fill it.
00:07:24.000 You go around the back of the house, set it on fire, create this crisis.
00:07:27.000 Then you go around the front house and sell them a fire extinguisher.
00:07:30.000 And they'll pay anything for it and even thank you for being there.
00:07:34.000 So it's called Machiavellianism, where you create or capitalize on a crisis to consolidate control.
00:07:41.000 The people wouldn't give up the freedom unless there was this crisis.
00:07:43.000 And so you want to egg it along.
00:07:46.000 Now, fast forward, 1800s, Germany was a bunch of kingdoms, Bavaria, Saxony, Prussia, and they always fought.
00:07:56.000 And you had the king of Prussia, Frederick, has a University of Berlin professor named Hegel.
00:08:04.000 And Hegel came up with sort of a Machiavelli idea, but he makes it even more organized.
00:08:09.000 It's called dialectics, Hegelian dialectics.
00:08:14.000 And so it's a triangle.
00:08:16.000 One corner is a thesis.
00:08:18.000 Opposite corner is an anti-thesis or antithesis.
00:08:22.000 And the top corner is a synthesis.
00:08:25.000 It sounds complicated, but it's not.
00:08:27.000 You start off with a status scroll, you create the opposite, a crisis, a panic, disorder, disruption, discord.
00:08:34.000 And then when everybody panics in fear, they're willing to give up some of their freedom to settle for an answer that's just half as bad.
00:08:41.000 That synthesis becomes the new starting point thesis.
00:08:44.000 Then you create another problem that's real bad, another antithesis.
00:08:48.000 People panic in fear.
00:08:49.000 They surrender some more of their freedoms to settle for an answer that's just half as bad.
00:08:54.000 That becomes the new thesis starting point.
00:08:55.000 You create another crisis.
00:08:57.000 People panic again, surrender some more of their freedoms.
00:08:59.000 And you keep doing this till you take all the freedoms away from the people and you concentrate them in the state.
00:09:05.000 And so now you fast forward to Saul Linsky, and he rode around with Al Capone's hitman in Chicago, Frank Nitty.
00:09:15.000 And he saw how all you had to do was kill a few people, smash a few windows, and the people will panic in fear and submit to the mob.
00:09:22.000 And he said, hey, let's just apply this to politics.
00:09:26.000 And so he says the first step in community organization is community disorganization.
00:09:31.000 Disruption of the present organization is the first step.
00:09:35.000 The organizer's first job is to rub raw the resentments of the people of the community, fan the latent flames of hostility to the point of overt expression.
00:09:44.000 For unless there is controversy, the people are not concerned enough to act.
00:09:48.000 And lo and behold, in the front of his book, Saul Linsky has an acknowledgement to Lucifer.
00:09:55.000 That's who started it all off.
00:09:56.000 So how do you destroy a marriage?
00:09:58.000 So discord.
00:10:00.000 How do you destroy a family?
00:10:01.000 So discord.
00:10:02.000 How do you destroy your church?
00:10:04.000 So discord.
00:10:05.000 How do you destroy your country?
00:10:07.000 So discord.
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00:11:13.000 What else about Saul Linsky should we know, Bill?
00:11:16.000 Who did he write the dedication to Rules for Radicals to?
00:11:19.000 He wrote it to Lucifer.
00:11:21.000 He said, lest we forget an over-the-shoulder acknowledgement to the first radical known to man who at least established his own kingdom, Lucifer.
00:11:28.000 And so this idea of intentionally sowing crises.
00:11:32.000 And, you know, the British became a one world government almost, right?
00:11:37.000 The British Empire, the sun never set on it.
00:11:39.000 They had India, Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, British Guiana, Canada, Barbados, Bermuda, Jamaica, and America.
00:11:44.000 It's like, how did they get so big?
00:11:45.000 Did they just walk into a country and say, hi, we want to be the biggest empire in the world?
00:11:48.000 And oh yeah, here are the keys.
00:11:50.000 No, let's look at how they took over India. 0.99
00:11:53.000 So in 1714, the British landed in Bengal and opened a trading post that turned into a trading fort that turned into them having guns.
00:12:01.000 And they would give guns to one kingdom and guns to another kingdom.
00:12:06.000 And then sow discord between the kingdoms, stir up ancient animosities.
00:12:09.000 They would fight each other, bloody and weaken each other.
00:12:12.000 And then the British would conquer both weakened kingdoms.
00:12:16.000 And they did this again and again and again until they took over all of India, right? 0.99
00:12:20.000 It's the same way that Pompey took over Israel.
00:12:24.000 You had the Pharisees and Sadducees at war, and Pompeii comes in and sides with the Pharisees against the Sadducees.
00:12:30.000 And then by the time it's done, Israel's a Roman colony. 0.89
00:12:34.000 And so the British even did this during the Revolutionary War.
00:12:39.000 So the Americans and Indians had reached an equilibrium.
00:12:42.000 And the British, General Johnny Burgoyne, meets with the Mohawk Indians in New York and promises them money for scalps. 0.97
00:12:51.000 And they would scalp the Americans and stir up. 1.00
00:12:53.000 It was so bad that it's listed in our declaration as one of the reasons we rebelled.
00:13:00.000 It says the king has excited domestic insurrection among us and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers the merciless Indian savages whose known rule of warfare is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes, and conditions.
00:13:14.000 So here they came in.
00:13:16.000 They wanted to stir up this division because they wanted to take over the whole thing.
00:13:21.000 They did it again during the War of 1812. 0.93
00:13:24.000 The British controlled Pensacola, Florida.
00:13:28.000 Just north was Fort Mims, Alabama, and the Red Stick Creek Indians. 0.99
00:13:33.000 The French pronunciation of Redstick is Baton Rouge.
00:13:38.000 Anyway, the British go to the Redstick and promise them money for scalps. 1.00
00:13:42.000 And so they captured Fort Mims, Alabama, and then proceeded to scalp all 500 captives.
00:13:50.000 And the historical marker said, here in Creek Indian War, 1813-14 took place the most brutal massacre in American history.
00:13:57.000 Indians took the fort and then scalped all, but 36 of the some 550 in the fort.
00:14:03.000 Creeks had been armed by British in this phase of the war of 1812.
00:14:09.000 Does anybody think the British Empire cared about the Red Stick Creek Indians?
00:14:14.000 No, they were intentionally stirring up division because they wanted to conquer the whole thing.
00:14:19.000 And so this idea is how do you conquer a country?
00:14:22.000 You break them into subgroups, pit them against each other.
00:14:26.000 And when they fight each other, it weakens the country and you can conquer it.
00:14:30.000 You know, I was amazed at FDR during World War II, and he was making comments.
00:14:36.000 One, he said, November 1st, 1940, whoever seeks to set one nationality against another seeks to degrade all nationalities.
00:14:45.000 Whoever seeks to set one race against another seeks to enslave all races. 0.64
00:14:50.000 And then he said, January 2nd, 1942, remember the Nazi technique, pit race against race, religion against religion, prejudice against prejudice, divide and conquer. 0.62
00:15:03.000 And then I was watching Charles Barkley, NBA sports player.
00:15:08.000 He was on NBC sports panel April 13th of 2021.
00:15:14.000 And he said, man, I think most white people and black people are great people.
00:15:17.000 I really believe that in my heart.
00:15:19.000 But I think our system is set up where our politicians are designed to make us not like each other because they want to keep their grasp of money and power.
00:15:27.000 They divide and conquer. 1.00
00:15:29.000 He says, we're so stupid following our politicians. 1.00
00:15:31.000 Our only job is, hey, let's make the whites and blacks not like each other. 1.00
00:15:35.000 Let's make the rich and poor not like each other. 1.00
00:15:37.000 Let's scramble the middle class. 0.98
00:15:38.000 I really believe this in my heart.
00:15:40.000 So here you have this observation that, hey, somebody wants us to be at war with each other.
00:15:46.000 And so that's the strategy.
00:15:48.000 You get a division going on on the inside.
00:15:51.000 And there's one other phase to it.
00:15:53.000 They not only want to create the division, they want to blame you for it, right?
00:15:56.000 They want to blame me for it.
00:15:58.000 And so this is called psychological projection.
00:16:02.000 And it's being used every day.
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00:16:47.000 Psychological projection, and Sigmund Freud coined the term: it's where the accuser blames the victim.
00:16:56.000 And you can see this in the Bible, where Potiphar's wife accused Joseph of lusting after her when she was lusting after him.
00:17:06.000 It's the typical narcissistic response.
00:17:09.000 Little kids do it.
00:17:10.000 I didn't start the fight, you did. 0.95
00:17:12.000 Or a cheating spouse will accuse the faithful spouse of being unfaithful.
00:17:17.000 And so it's in politics now where they do all the crooked stuff.
00:17:23.000 They want to sow division.
00:17:24.000 They want to create the crisis, but they want to blame their innocent opponents for it.
00:17:31.000 David Axelrod, he was a campaign advisor to Obama, and he was on NPR radio and he April 2010.
00:17:41.000 And he said, in Chicago politics, there was a tradition of throwing a brick through your own campaign office window and then calling a press conference to say you've been attacked, right?
00:17:52.000 So they do the attack, but they want to blame you.
00:17:56.000 And so it's all throughout politics.
00:18:01.000 When you look at the examples of Hillary Clinton colluding with Russia, giving away a fifth of U.S. uranium, and suspiciously, there's $145 million contributions to her Clinton Foundation. 0.98
00:18:17.000 And so what does she do? 1.00
00:18:18.000 She pays for a steel dossier to accuse Trump of colluding with Russia.
00:18:22.000 She, the same thing.
00:18:23.000 And when she gets caught paying for the steel dossier, all she has to do is pay $113,000 fine to the FEC.
00:18:31.000 Biden brags on C-SPAN about extorting Ukraine, saying, stop investigating my son, or I'm going to hold back billions of dollars of U.S. aid.
00:18:38.000 What do they do?
00:18:39.000 They accuse Trump of extorting Ukraine.
00:18:41.000 They accuse him of exactly what they're doing.
00:18:45.000 His name gets smeared in the media.
00:18:47.000 And if it ever gets pointed back at them, by that time, they get a pass.
00:18:53.000 You had, they knew that Biden had classified documents illegally in his garage.
00:19:00.000 And they decided to stage a very public raid on Mar-Lago simply for the headlines.
00:19:08.000 They knew where the papers were.
00:19:10.000 They knew that they were safe, but they wanted the headlines.
00:19:12.000 Why?
00:19:13.000 Because they wanted to accuse Trump of what Biden was guilty of and Pence and the others that had classified documents.
00:19:19.000 And so it's this distraction of blaming your opponent for what you're guilty of.
00:19:25.000 It's called blame shifting.
00:19:27.000 Nero set fire to Rome. 0.93
00:19:28.000 Blame the Christians. 1.00
00:19:30.000 There's one story where Paul was praying in the temple in Jerusalem and the Pharisees saw him.
00:19:36.000 They stirred up a riot.
00:19:38.000 They're pulling Paul apart.
00:19:40.000 The Romans have to rescue Paul.
00:19:42.000 And then there's a trial.
00:19:44.000 And Tertullus, the prosecutor, said, we found this man, Paul, a pestilent fellow, mover of sedition, ringleader of the sect of the Nazarene.
00:19:53.000 He's going about to provade the temple.
00:19:55.000 And Paul said, they neither found me in the temple disputing with any man, neither raising up the people nor in the synagogue, neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.
00:20:04.000 They stirred up the insurrection at the Capitol, but they wanted to blame this innocent Paul.
00:20:08.000 They did it to Jesus' projection.
00:20:11.000 There are these Pharisees, their father is the devil, and they accused Jesus of being demon-possessed.
00:20:16.000 And Adam did it to God.
00:20:19.000 The very first sin, Adam sinned.
00:20:20.000 And what did he do?
00:20:21.000 He blameshifted the woman you gave.
00:20:26.000 Right?
00:20:26.000 And so they do the crooked stuff they want to blame us for.
00:20:30.000 They call you, you're hateful when they're hateful.
00:20:34.000 You're intolerant when they're intolerant.
00:20:37.000 So they want to sow division so they can get people into fear so that they'll panic and trade their freedom for security.
00:20:45.000 But they don't want to just sow the division.
00:20:47.000 They want to blame us for the division that they're sowing.
00:20:52.000 And then there's an interesting set of stories from history where it goes from just accusations to actual military engagements.
00:21:00.000 And this is what's called the false flag.
00:21:04.000 So last year I spoke in Beaufort, North Carolina, right on the coast, big Republican event.
00:21:10.000 They had judges and congressmen there and their big windows that you could look at the waves coming in.
00:21:15.000 It was right on the water.
00:21:17.000 And that's where Blackbeard had his Queen Ange revenge sink near Okra.
00:21:23.000 And the couple that hosted me, the husband was in charge of the local museum.
00:21:28.000 And so we're talking Blackbeard history.
00:21:30.000 And he said, you know, the pirates really didn't want to get into a fight because if they got wounded, there were no pirate hospitals that you could go to.
00:21:41.000 And so they wanted to psychologically take, you know, scare their opponents into surrendering.
00:21:48.000 So it's called the false flag, where they would raise a flag of a friendly nation in distress and just sit there and wait.
00:21:55.000 And then a friendly nation ship would come by and look through their telescope and say, oh, look, there's a friendly nation in distress.
00:22:02.000 Let's get a little closer to help them out.
00:22:03.000 Let us get closer and closer and closer until they're too close to get away quickly.
00:22:07.000 And all of a sudden, the friendly nation in distress flag comes down, up comes the pirate flag, and the people on the friendly ship are like, oh, no.
00:22:15.000 And the pirate ship is fast and that Russia's there. 0.99
00:22:18.000 And Blackbeard was like 6'8.
00:22:20.000 And he had a big mop of black hair and black beard.
00:22:23.000 And he would take the wicks that you would light the cannons with and he'd light them on fire and stick him in his beard and in his hair. 0.96
00:22:29.000 So he looked like this giant smoking demon. 0.53
00:22:31.000 He'd have two pistols and he'd have a dagger in his teeth and his pirates would board the ship and the people would panic and say, take my gold, take my money, just let me live, right?
00:22:40.000 And so it's a psychological operation to get people into fear so they'll panic and give away their freedoms.
00:22:47.000 And so there's some stories a lot of people aren't familiar with.
00:22:53.000 1788, Sweden was a big country and it had a competitor named Russia.
00:23:01.000 And the king of Sweden wanted to get into a war with Russia, but his parliament would not approve funding.
00:23:09.000 And so he pays the tailor of the royal Swedish opera to sew Russian uniforms.
00:23:17.000 And then he has Swedish soldiers put on the Russian uniforms.
00:23:20.000 And they stage an attack at a Swedish outpost called Umala.
00:23:26.000 And when the word spreads across Sweden that the Russians had attacked, the parliament in Stockholm quickly approves the funding that the king wanted in the first place.
00:23:35.000 And so this was similarly used in the 1939 by the Nazis.
00:23:42.000 They wanted to invade Poland, but world public opinion wouldn't support it.
00:23:47.000 And so they had Nazi soldiers put on Polish soldier uniforms, and they staged an attack at a German outpost called Gleivitz.
00:23:57.000 So it's the Gleiwitz incident, which happened to have a radio tower.
00:24:01.000 And so they're giving play-by-play reports.
00:24:05.000 The Polish are coming in. 1.00
00:24:06.000 The Polish are shooting. 1.00
00:24:07.000 The Polish are doing this. 1.00
00:24:08.000 And it spreads across Germany and across the world that the Poles had attacked. 1.00
00:24:11.000 And the Germans said, well, they started it. 0.97
00:24:13.000 We're justified in invading Poland in 1939 and starting World War II. 0.98
00:24:18.000 And then you have Japan.
00:24:21.000 1931, they had a railroad along a little coast of China called Mukden, and they claimed there was a railroad explosion.
00:24:32.000 And they used this as an excuse for the Japanese to invade China. 0.74
00:24:38.000 And the Japanese killed over 100,000 in Nanking, China.
00:24:41.000 Later, there was an investigation.
00:24:43.000 They walked the whole railroad line, and there was no explosion.
00:24:47.000 They just simply made it up as an excuse to go in and say the Soviets wanted to invade Finland in 1939, and the world public opinion wouldn't have supported it.
00:24:59.000 So the Soviets shell one of their own Russian villages on the Finnish border and make it look like the Finns did it. 0.74
00:25:08.000 And they used that as an excuse to invade during the Winter War of 1939.
00:25:14.000 The Turks did it. 1.00
00:25:15.000 So you had Ataturk was a secular leader.
00:25:19.000 And then you had Menderes in 1955 that wanted to make Turkey a fundamentalist caliphate again.
00:25:26.000 And the plot was to get rid of the Greek Christians left in Constantinople.
00:25:33.000 And so they were going to have a Turkish university student put a bomb in the Turkish consulate in Greece and blow up Ataturk's birthplace, which was in Greece, and then stir up sentiment against the Greeks to drive them out of Constantinople.
00:25:48.000 The bombs never went off, but the newspapers ran with the story anyway.
00:25:53.000 The Greeks had blown up the consulate and Ataturks.
00:25:56.000 It whips the people of Istanbul into a frenzy.
00:26:00.000 They attacked the Greek neighborhoods.
00:26:02.000 They tear them down, destroy stores and churches, and they drive them out.
00:26:07.000 And so this idea was even used more recently.
00:26:13.000 Erdogan ran for office as a secular leader in Turkey, and then he started moving in a fundamentalist direction.
00:26:21.000 And a growing political movement was forming against him.
00:26:26.000 And so he stages a coup against himself and then arrests all of his political opponents.
00:26:31.000 And when the dust settles, he doesn't have any political opponents left.
00:26:36.000 And Stalin did it. 0.61
00:26:39.000 Are these stories interesting?
00:26:40.000 I mean, I think it's very interesting.
00:26:41.000 Oh, very much no, Bill, it's excellent.
00:26:43.000 And I do want to shift gears in a second, and I want you to tease this.
00:26:47.000 Christian nationalism, talk about how the Bible inspired the Constitution, putting the Christian nationalist label aside.
00:26:57.000 Deuteronomy in particular, one minute, Bill, give us a little tease here.
00:27:00.000 How did the book of Deuteronomy inspire the founding fathers?
00:27:03.000 Well, it's the book of laws.
00:27:05.000 And so America is a book of laws where the law is the king and not the individual.
00:27:11.000 There is the pre-king, post-king history of Israel.
00:27:16.000 So America, our founders looked to the pre-King Saul period where you had 400 years, millions of people, no king.
00:27:23.000 Everybody is taught the law and personally accountable to God to follow it.
00:27:26.000 But in England, they followed the post-King Saul period of the Bible.
00:27:31.000 This Saul's anointed.
00:27:33.000 He's the divine right of kings, and the kings rule through fear.
00:27:37.000 And so King Saul is the divider between America and England.
00:27:40.000 Both of them look to the Bible for their authority, but one is the, I'm the divine right of kings.
00:27:46.000 God chose me to be the king and I'm going to rule through fear.
00:27:48.000 And the other is America.
00:27:49.000 We're like, no, we look to the Hebrew Republic.
00:27:51.000 400 years, millions of people, no king.
00:27:53.000 And so that really is the theological debate today.
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00:29:02.000 Bill, before we continue, plug some of your books, Bill, please.
00:29:06.000 Well, one of them is called Who is the King in America, and it's the people.
00:29:11.000 And so it goes through the 6,000 years of world history.
00:29:15.000 The most common form of government is kings.
00:29:17.000 Nimrod, Pharaoh, Caesar, Kaiser, Sultans are. 0.98
00:29:19.000 They keep getting bigger and bigger because with military advancements, kings can kill more people.
00:29:24.000 So instead of king killing Abel with a rock, they can kill with a bronze weapon, iron weapon, phalanx spear that the Greeks had, scimitar sword that the Muslims had, gunpowder that the Chinese invented. 0.86
00:29:32.000 Weapon improves, but same fall in nature.
00:29:35.000 But as the centuries go on, these kingdoms get bigger.
00:29:38.000 And then with technological advancements, kings can track more people.
00:29:43.000 And so 2 BC, Augustus Caesar, wanted a worldwide tracking system called census, a tax enrollment.
00:29:49.000 If he could have had 5G and cell phones and facial recognition software, he'd have been tempted to use that.
00:29:54.000 And so as the centuries go on, the kingdoms get bigger.
00:29:57.000 Clearly, anybody that can plot on a graph sees that at some point, it's going to max out on a global level.
00:30:04.000 So it goes through these tactics on how to take power from the people and give it back to the government, the fear and the free stuff.
00:30:12.000 Go through the French Revolution and how their motto was liberty, equality, fraternity.
00:30:17.000 Sounds good, doesn't work.
00:30:19.000 Liberty is experienced individually.
00:30:21.000 Fraternity is their word for socialism, the collective, the group, the mob, the state.
00:30:26.000 And equality can be understood two ways.
00:30:28.000 In America, it was equal treatment before the law.
00:30:30.000 In France, it was everyone having an equal amount of stuff.
00:30:34.000 And if the fraternity, the collective, the group, the socialist state thinks you have too much stuff, well, guess what?
00:30:40.000 The benefit of the collective outweighs the benefit of the individual. 0.92
00:30:44.000 And they can crush your individual liberty, confiscate all your stuff, redistribute it to their friends, and kill you. 0.98
00:30:50.000 Right.
00:30:50.000 And so America, we believe it writes from a creator and the government's purpose is to guarantee to you your God-given rights.
00:30:58.000 Anyway, I go through all that in this book on socialism.
00:31:01.000 There's another book.
00:31:02.000 It's called America's God and Country Encyclopedia of Quotations.
00:31:06.000 I think it's a great book.
00:31:07.000 So Bill, in the time we have remaining here, what scriptures or Bible stories do you think best support the idea that Christians need to be involved in politics?
00:31:18.000 Right.
00:31:19.000 Well, top-down versus bottom-up.
00:31:22.000 So for Israel, their first 400 years, they were a bottom-up form of government.
00:31:28.000 And every town had their elders.
00:31:31.000 And then when the priests stopped teaching the law, every man did what was right in their own eyes, turns into chaos.
00:31:36.000 They go to Samuel the prophet and they say, we want to be like the other countries. 0.95
00:31:39.000 We want a king.
00:31:41.000 And Samuel cries, and the Lord tells Samuel, they did not reject you, they rejected me.
00:31:46.000 So God's original plan for Israel was to not have a king.
00:31:49.000 This was an anomaly that you don't appreciate until we zoom out and look at all of recorded human history, where it's these kings and pharaohs and Caesars and Kaisers and Sultans.
00:31:59.000 All of a sudden, around 1400 BC, there's millions of people and no king, and it worked because everybody's taught the law and personally accountable to God to follow it.
00:32:06.000 And so, America's founders look back to this pre-King Saul period.
00:32:09.000 It's called the Hebrew Republic, and they took that and they made that the model for New England.
00:32:15.000 And so, that's why they taught Hebrew at Yale and Harvard.
00:32:18.000 And so, in each town, there was a building called a meeting house.
00:32:22.000 That's where the pastor would teach the Bible, and that's where they would do their city business.
00:32:26.000 The word synagogue means meeting house.
00:32:29.000 That's where the rabbi would teach the law, and that's where they would gather together and do their city business.
00:32:33.000 I mean, why build a separate building just to talk about a different topic?
00:32:38.000 And so, when the Revolutionary War starts, the British send over a military governor, Thomas Gage, and he outlaws meeting houses.
00:32:45.000 We don't need the people meeting and giving your consent to stuff, you just obey government mandates.
00:32:51.000 And we're like, No, in America, nothing happens unless we give our consent to it.
00:32:54.000 He's like, No, you obey government mandates.
00:32:57.000 And we're like, No, nothing happens unless we give our consent to it. 0.92
00:33:00.000 He goes, No, you're a robot, you're a zombie.
00:33:02.000 You do what you're told.
00:33:02.000 When the government issues a mandate, you jump.
00:33:05.000 And we're like, No, nothing happens unless we give our consent to it.
00:33:08.000 Turned into a revolutionary war and we win. 0.61
00:33:10.000 And we set up a government where it's we, the people, government from the consent of the governed.
00:33:17.000 And so, we have a bottom-up form of government.
00:33:20.000 Our founders, for all their faults, gave us a present.
00:33:23.000 And that present is you get to be the king with the little K over your life. 0.86
00:33:27.000 And then all of us together are king with the little K over the country. 1.00
00:33:30.000 The word citizen is Greek, it means co-king. 1.00
00:33:34.000 When we pledge allegiance to the flag and to the republic, we're basically pledging allegiance to us being in charge of ourselves.
00:33:42.000 And so, when somebody protests the flag, what they're saying is, I don't want to be the king anymore.
00:33:45.000 I protest this system or I participate in ruling myself.
00:33:48.000 It's like, okay, somebody else will dictate to you.
00:33:51.000 And so, America is unique.
00:33:53.000 What makes America great is we get to be in charge of our lives, and all of us together are in charge of the country.
00:33:58.000 But when we don't know this history, after the crises, there's the human response to want to surrender your freedoms to somebody that promises to fix it.
00:34:07.000 And over time, you've surrendered so much that it's flipped from a bottom-up form of government to a top-down.
00:34:13.000 And so, that's why Romans 13, the scripture that says that all authority is given by God and that we're supposed to submit to the governing authorities.
00:34:24.000 Romans 13 is to be understood differently in a monarchy versus a republic.
00:34:30.000 In a monarchy, the king has subjects who are subjected to his will.
00:34:34.000 So, in a monarchy, subjects submit to the king.
00:34:38.000 In a republic, the citizens are the king.
00:34:43.000 In a monarchy, subjects obey.
00:34:46.000 That's right.
00:34:47.000 In a republic, citizens give consent.
00:34:50.000 That's right.
00:34:50.000 So, Bill, we got to run.
00:34:52.000 Thank you so much, Bill.
00:34:53.000 Excellent work.
00:34:54.000 We'll have you on again soon.
00:34:55.000 We never have enough time.
00:34:55.000 Bill Feddere, everybody.
00:34:56.000 Check out his books.
00:34:57.000 Thanks so much, Bill.
00:34:58.000 Thanks so much for listening.
00:34:59.000 Everybody, email us as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com.
00:35:01.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.
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