00:00:16.000If you want to support her candidacy for RNC chair, you can contact your state party chair, your national committeeman, or committeewoman, hireharmeet.com.
00:00:40.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:48.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:17.000Harmeet, I first want to compliment you for your courage and your willingness, because the people that are coming after you, they are so nasty.
00:03:00.000So the latest is I jumped into this race just a little over a month ago after our chair, Ronna McDaniel, basically is refusing to leave.
00:03:11.000Normally after you lose a presidential race, you actually do leave.
00:03:14.000So that was two years ago, but she promised us a final and third term.
00:03:18.000And so now that I see all these members lining up behind her, we jumped in and I have now over a dozen members of the RNC actively making phone calls with me to help whip the votes.
00:03:29.000There are only 168 voters in this election.
00:03:32.000I'm one of them and I will be voting for change and voting for myself.
00:03:36.000And so the job is to convince people who are supporting Rana as well as people who are undecided to support me.
00:03:42.000And I'm happy to say that her numbers are going down and our numbers are going up.
00:03:46.000And now that it's a competitive horse race, some folks who are willing to support her because there was no choice have kept an open mind and they want to see which way the wind blows.
00:03:55.000That is, you know, it's not exactly profiles in courage in some way.
00:03:58.000And so we're trying to encourage people to actually get off the fence because if you are supporting two more years of Rana's leadership, you are saying to the voters in your state, I accept failure.
00:04:43.000But the question is, in the remaining 12 days, can we persuade enough of these folks who have been, you know, I mean, I know this is controversial and hurtful to some of them, but actually when the chair promises you committee appointments and sort of perks at the RNC, that is persuasive.
00:05:27.000I mean, again, I'm a big football fan.
00:05:29.000And if you go 500, if you're Cliff Kingsbury and you don't make the playoffs, sorry, you got to go to Thailand, which is where he is right now.
00:05:39.000So Harmeet, I just, I want you to reemphasize this, though, because the number one piece of feedback I receive from our audience is confusion.
00:05:46.000They don't quite get it because they hear the polls, they talk to their friends, they're angry, and they don't even understand why this is competitive.
00:05:54.000So can you just kind of go through some of the clubbiness here?
00:06:18.000And so there's a clique of popular kids and there's a prom queen and there's, you know, jocks.
00:06:23.000And then there's like, you know, the rest of us.
00:06:24.000And so the reality is that a lot of people want to be that click of the most popular and the most the people with the with the titles and the perks.
00:06:35.000Head of this committee, head of that committee, head of a third committee, part of the site selection committee, part of the committee on arrangements.
00:06:43.000And, you know, frankly, I didn't go there to be on any of these committees.
00:06:46.000I went there to help win elections for Republicans and then, you know, do my day job.
00:06:49.000But those are the things that actually sway a lot of members.
00:06:53.000Now, the other dynamic is we're in the middle of a cycle.
00:06:57.000And so two of the three members from every state were elected at the beginning of the cycle.
00:07:02.000That is a national committee, woman, and committee man.
00:07:04.000So they're not up for election for another two years.
00:07:05.000They're not up for election until the year of 2024, the presidential race.
00:07:10.000And so as a result of that, you know, they're not feeling any pressure if they vote the wrong way.
00:07:15.000So for the next two years, I'd like to enjoy their perks.
00:07:18.000And, you know, they're sort of impervious to political influence.
00:07:21.000Chairs of the parties, on the other hand, are not because they're typically elected right around this time.
00:07:27.000Some of them are being elected this week and this month.
00:07:29.000Some of them are being elected the day of or the day after the election for my position.
00:07:35.000And so they're more susceptible to change.
00:07:37.000But on the other hand, when the chair of the RNC has handed out cash to your party, which is the job of the RNC and done it recently, you remember that.
00:07:51.000The analysis should not be what has the chair done for me lately, but what is the next chair or the chair for the next two years going to do for our party and our country?
00:08:01.000And so, you know, I hear a lot of defense of the current chair of things like, well, it's not her fault, candidate selection, Trump made bad endorsements, Dobbs, you know, like there's a series of things we are blaming for not winning.
00:08:15.000And then there's a series of things that we did.
00:08:18.000Okay, we had more voter-attempted contacts in this last cycle.
00:08:23.000But like you gave the football analogy, it's not enough to say, well, I made four plays, right?
00:08:28.000But I didn't, you know, move the ball down the field.
00:08:35.000The other side is playing capture the flag.
00:08:38.000And we are, you know, like counting how many doors we knocked on, whether we contacted voters and updated our databases with hard information or not.
00:08:47.000So these, so some of the things I'd like to do at the RNC is number one, this is something that I'm just announcing this week after giving a lot of thought to the organization.
00:08:56.000We need a director level of election operations at the RNC.
00:09:00.000So currently, so-called election day operations, which is anybody keeping up knows we don't have election day anymore in America.
00:09:07.000For the most part, we have election month.
00:09:09.000We have election two months in many states in my state in California.
00:09:12.000So we used to hire election workers as seasonal workers, like farmhands for like three months around the election time and then lay them off right afterwards.
00:09:21.000This needs to be a year-round effort of professionals whose job it is to keep up with innovations in the states on voting, develop strategies and help the states do that.
00:09:31.000So this will be a new director-level position at the RNC, equivalent to the comms, the legal, the political, the data, the digital.
00:10:01.000No matter whether you use my number of 40% overhead of fundraising or more, or the number that we saw from the treasurer of the party yesterday come out saying it's really harming only 33% overhead.
00:10:33.000We continue to work on them and call them quite a few.
00:10:36.000I had a great conversation this morning with one member who said, you know, had been previously committed to Rana, who said, I like what I heard.
00:10:43.000I'm going to keep an open mind and we should talk more in new in Dana Point.
00:10:54.000Now that's going to end if I'm the chair of the RNC.
00:10:56.000I think one of our last meeting where we elected Rana two years ago was at Amelia Island and it was a sort of a leftover booking that somehow we couldn't cancel, but we blew $3 million on that meeting, which is ridiculous.
00:11:09.000And we need better negotiations on these things so that we don't get stuck with contracts we can't get out of.
00:11:14.000So, you know, yeah, I mean, I think we should be focusing on raising money from donors and then not blowing it on ourselves, but actually using it to win elections.
00:11:22.000And, you know, there was the joke back in the day that Republicans would wear the red cloth, the cloth coat, the sturdy cloth coat, and be economical and hard-nosed about it.
00:11:33.000That's how our party needs to run too, not like, you know, Beverly Hills divorce age.
00:12:13.000The way the federal election code is written, you and I have talked about this on air before, but it's important to reemphasize.
00:12:18.000The RNC is able to do certain things that no other organization can do.
00:12:24.000Second thing, frugality is imperative because the RNC is not able to receive a $5 million contribution, a $10 million contribution, a $20 million contribution.
00:12:34.000They're capped at $750,000 per person per year.
00:12:39.000However, it really isn't when we're talking about $2 billion election cycle.
00:12:44.000Therefore, if the RNC can only do what the RNC can do and it can't receive these massive $25 million, $50 million contributions that Mitch McConnell can get or Kevin McCarthy can get, those two things mean that every dollar matters more.
00:12:59.000The pressure on the spending needs to be under way more scrutiny than that of even Rick Scott Super PAC or the Congressional Leadership Fund.
00:13:08.000And so I had a couple of sad conversations during this race with two presidential candidates, expected presidential candidates for 2024.
00:13:16.000Both of them said, you know, unfortunately, the RNC is kind of, you know, we have to work around them.
00:13:21.000They're kind of an obstacle, which was really sad to me as somebody who spent six years at the RNC.
00:13:26.000And I want to change that perception amongst candidates.
00:13:29.000But you're absolutely right for those members in the public who say, well, I'm quitting and I don't like the way it runs and we don't need the RNC anymore.
00:13:35.000We're just going to give to candidates.
00:13:38.000Those candidates cannot run their campaigns without the data that the RNC has invested through data trust.
00:13:44.000And, you know, we're supposed to be supplementing well with annotations and creating voter scores and then getting feedback from our field workers.
00:14:09.000You just can't win without that data, without that air cover, without that network of support, without that field program that helps the state.
00:14:17.000I mean, you know, you don't win a presidential election in a vacuum.
00:14:20.000The RNC should be raising money and spending most of that money, in my opinion, back into the states.
00:14:25.000Instead, over this last cycle, for all the money we raised, half of it was in 2020, so focused on the presidential.
00:14:31.000But the rest of it, we only spent 20% of that money back to the states.
00:14:35.000The other 80%, you know, there's 40% overhead of fundraising, and then there's a bunch of other stuff.
00:14:41.000And there's a handful of about half a dozen consultants in the party who get literally tens of millions of dollars per cycle.
00:14:49.000And like, I love money as much as any other Republican capitalist out there.
00:14:53.000But if you have crony capitalism, that is non-competitive spending, you have monopoly, which is inefficient, and you have poor quality of outcome.
00:15:02.000And so if you're going to get paid, regardless of results, whether you're the chair of the RNC, whether you're a vendor, you're not going to be improving.
00:15:09.000In fact, you're going to be clinging to your failure and economies of scale mean you won't do a very good job.
00:15:14.000And I'm not saying that any that, by the way, I want to be clear.
00:15:17.000I'm sure Ronda wanted to win these elections.
00:15:19.000But the question is, is capability and frankly, humility and willingness to say, I did it wrong.
00:15:24.000I got to do it better or somebody else can do it better.
00:15:27.000Former Arizona Cardinals football coach Cliff Kingsbury, I'm sure he wanted to win the Super Bowl.
00:19:10.000And Revolver.news, we just put up a piece basically looking into the church committee as the most relevant historical parallel and seeing where things match up and where things don't with a view toward maximizing the impact of this committee.
00:19:31.000And there are a number of important differences here that unfortunately will make the climb in this case a little bit tougher than it was for Senator Church and his colleagues in the 1970s.
00:19:46.000And so one of the things that I think is important, and I want your thoughts because you're such a strategic thinker in this, and our team's actually trying to set up a time for you to come out here to Phoenix, Darren, where we have a long, extended exploratory conversation on some of the bigger topics here.
00:20:01.000So walk me through the wisdom that you have to share of how Jim Jordan and Thomas Massey, and I think the world of Thomas Massey, I think he's a man of integrity and courage.
00:20:12.000I think he really believes in this effort.
00:20:15.000I couldn't be more enthusiastic about his placement on this committee.
00:20:19.000But what is your wisdom on how they can successfully navigate the labyrinth?
00:20:25.000Because right now, Christopher Wray is setting up a series of trapdoors and smokescreens and double-edged mirrors where they're going to get a series of classified documents and series of runarounds and series of dead ends and committees and go to box 302.
00:20:40.000And once they get to box 302, it says go to box 44812.
00:20:47.000What could they learn from the Church and Pike Committee to be able to quickly and effectively navigate the Intel Fourth Branch of Government Labyrinth?
00:21:13.000He understands the problem of the national security state.
00:21:17.000I just had a pretty long and productive conversation with him earlier today.
00:21:21.000And, you know, without getting into the details of that, I think I'm very optimistic about his approach to it.
00:21:29.000And so, insofar as we're beset by limitations, it's not due to Massey or the other people involved.
00:21:37.000It's due to the structural conditions.
00:21:39.000I want to lay some of those out and what they were in the church committee versus what they are here.
00:21:44.000You know, first of all, you mentioned church and pike, which is interesting because Pike was coming out of the House of Representatives.
00:21:51.000It was the church committee, it was a Senate committee that had the cooperation, albeit reluctant cooperation, not only of the White House, of a different party.
00:22:04.000So, you know, Frank Church and his team had multiple meetings with President Ford in the White House.
00:22:12.000In fact, I've been reading up on this.
00:22:15.000One meeting with church, church committee staff members are in there in the White House with Gerald Ford, Pat Buchanan, who was a speechwriter at the time.
00:22:28.000Henry Kissinger, like some of these scenes from the church committee are actually like a blast from the past.
00:22:34.000One of the main legal staffers on the church committee was this guy called Schwartz, who's the heir to the famous FAO Schwartz toy dynasty.
00:22:43.000There are a lot of interesting characters.
00:22:45.000Barry Goldwater was on the church committee.
00:22:59.000But the thing is, already we see where the analogy breaks down when we have the bipartisan church committee, senior staffers meeting in the White House.
00:23:14.000It's not like Ford is saying, I'm going to give you everything you want, but it's a friendly meeting where Ford acknowledges the importance of it and wants to cooperate.
00:23:22.000They're meeting with counterparts in the Department of Justice, in the CIA, and other places.
00:23:28.000Can you imagine Jim Jordan and Thomas Massey getting a friendly audience in the Biden White House and in the CIA and other places with people, you know, even paying lip service to it is kind of unimaginable.
00:23:45.000They stonewalled in many cases, but they did get documents related to assassination files and so forth.
00:23:52.000And so long story short, the church committee, the public pressure leading to the church committee was greatly assisted by a cooperative media and a left-wing media.
00:24:04.000And the political environment was just right in the aftermath of the Watergate scandal, which again, you know, the public perception of the reality of Watergate are two very different things, but that's a conversation for another day.
00:24:18.000The important thing here is that the left-wing media was very much on board with the spirit of the church committee investigation because ultimately it was perceived as an investigation of abuses against the left by a more or less right-wing rogue intelligence apparatus.
00:24:38.000And now we're in a totally different situation where the CIA is woke.
00:24:43.000You know, the FBI is kneeling for Black Lives Matter.
00:24:48.000And the media is definitely not on the side of the investigative agenda of Thomas Massey and Jim Jordan.
00:24:57.000You have to wonder that some of the Democrats that were on the church committee, the takeaway was, oh, let's take this over.
00:25:06.000The takeaway was not that this needs to be reformed to a place of neutrality.
00:25:11.000The takeaway was, hey, let's go on a 40-year campaign so that by the year of 2020 or 2010, our ideological cohort is running the agencies, not people that are actually more kind of sympathetic to the strong nuclear family and Western values.
00:25:29.000Do you think there's something to that?
00:25:32.000I mean, I think this was right around, at least chronologically, the inflection point where the left started to really begin its capture, not only of the sort of academic institutions, but of the national security institutions.
00:25:46.000There was another important inflection point in the way that these operations, these government operations were structured.
00:25:55.000Because back then, all of the dirty deeds were effectively done in-house.
00:26:01.000And partially as a response to the church committee's findings, they said, well, we don't want another church-style committee to expose all this stuff going on in-house.
00:26:10.000So for a lot of our dirty stuff, we're effectively going to outsource it to these NGOs and cutout organizations that are formally part of the private sector, but are more or less doing our dirty work.
00:26:23.000And that's where you see a lot of, for instance, the censorship industry, the whole disinformation industry.
00:26:29.000Yes, a lot of it is still taking place in-house, but I would say the lion's share is actually happening outside of the formal structure of the government and taking place in university-affiliated institutions, NGOs, organizations like the Atlantic Council's DFR lab and so forth.
00:26:50.000And so that basic structural transformation would have to be taken into account in order to have an effective church-style committee for the present era.
00:27:02.000And I'll be honest, I'm not really sure how we navigate that in the short or distant future because what they've done, as you say, through a series of NGOs, sympathetic for-profit corporations, Fortune 100 companies, celebrities, influencers, universities, they outsource the unconstitutional actions.
00:27:22.000They're also able to keep some of their communication that will now be investigated to seem kind of more vanilla or they could just, ah, you know, we don't, that's not us.
00:27:38.000That is the Center for Censorship Pullet Bureau.
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00:28:53.000All right, Darren, we got a surprise for you.
00:29:40.000This is the Overton theory window, which I think is one of the most incredible lenses that you could view politics, where you move something from that is unthinkable to all of a sudden something that is policy.
00:29:51.000But you must first introduce the idea into the zeitgeist.
00:29:55.000And then all of a sudden it spreads with virality.
00:29:58.000And Darren Beattie deserves credit for that.
00:30:00.000Okay, so Darren, let me ask you just really quickly.
00:30:02.000Let's kind of a lightning round because I want to play a piece from Senator Church way back when.
00:30:09.000What can we do, the audience, to support this committee?
00:30:12.000Because they're going to need support.
00:30:14.000I think they're going to get intimidation threats.
00:30:16.000That's what I love, Thomas Massey, the guy's from like 1794.
00:30:19.000He's been like loyally married to his wife since high school, basically.
00:30:22.000He makes his own power, his own energy.
00:30:24.000He's like the most boring person ever.
00:30:25.000He's perfect to put on, you know, he's not someone who's just kind of involved in scandalous affairs and laundering money from Zambia.
00:30:33.000I mean, the guy is as ethical as it gets.
00:30:35.000What can we do to support this committee really quick?
00:30:38.000Well, public pressure is our only hope because the media isn't going to provide much assistance as it did with the church committee in the 70s.
00:30:47.000Public pressure is the only way we can make this happen.
00:30:52.000He needs the pressure because that's going to be his leverage.
00:30:56.000So that's number one, the public pressure that comes from knowledge and understanding.
00:31:01.000And secondly, we need specificity and persistence.
00:31:06.000We can't do a full broad range kind of things because we don't have that level of cooperation.
00:31:12.000We need to find the easiest and most impactful asks, keep them specific, and just hammer them over and over and over.
00:31:23.000And based on what comes out of those, that might generate more pressure to find more, but it has to be very strategic, laid out, has to be very specific.
00:31:33.000If we get bogged down in an avalanche of material, that could be counterproductive.
00:31:39.000I think we need to really be targeted about what we're asking for.
00:31:43.000In relation to January 6th, I keep it simple.
00:31:46.000We want the surveillance footage of the pipe bomb and the chain of custody of that footage.
00:32:14.000At the same time, that capability at any time could be turned around on the American people.
00:32:20.000And no American would have any privacy left, such as the capability to monitor everything, telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn't matter.
00:32:29.000There would be no place to hide if this government ever became a tyranny.
00:32:37.000If a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny.
00:32:52.000And there would be no way to fight back.
00:33:08.000You know, a lot of his life history was very interesting.
00:33:11.000It's sort of going, digging into the church committee is a nostalgic element to see just the quality of representatives that existed at that time.
00:33:21.000It's definitely a standard to look up to.
00:33:24.000Again, Thomas Massey's job is a lot more difficult than what Church's job was for the reasons described.
00:33:31.000But I think if we keep it narrow, we keep it focused and we stay persistent, something very meaningful can come out of this.
00:33:41.000I asked this question to Jim Jordan and Thomas Massey, but we got to keep on saying this publicly to hopefully thwart their plans.
00:33:48.000They're going to come after the members of this committee.
00:33:50.000They're going to come after them personally.
00:33:52.000They're going to come after them with a series of black propaganda tactics.
00:33:55.000Darren, how can we help in that regard?
00:33:58.000And what do you anticipate the intel agencies doing as even a preemptive measure?
00:34:02.000Well, I hope they come after because that's a signal that they're actually, you know, rocking the boat.
00:34:09.000I have every confidence that Massey is capable and willing to rock the boat.
00:34:17.000And obviously, if they get attacked, I think they should hold that up as a banner of pride, especially if they're getting attacked by the regime media or their intelligence proxies.
00:34:27.000They should just focus on doing the right thing with this committee and getting to the bottom of it because it truly could have historic results if done the right way.
00:34:36.000And I also think they should ignore Joe Biden.
00:34:41.000I know you agree, but I think that some of this could be, and I think there's an element to everything, but an element of this classified document thing could be a massive, like, hey, come on, take the treat.