The Charlie Kirk Show - January 17, 2023


How the RNC is Like High School with Harmeet Dhillon and Darren Beattie


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Ronna McDaniel is running for re-election to the Republican National Committee. Harmeet Dhillon and Darren Beatty join me to talk about her campaign and why she should win the primary. Also, we talk about why she s running and why you should vote for her.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today Charlie Kirk Show.
00:00:01.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:00:04.000 We have Harmeet Dylan and Darren Beatty to join us.
00:00:06.000 I meant to plug a website in favor of Harmeet and I didn't.
00:00:10.000 So here's the website.
00:00:11.000 It's hireharmeet.com, H-I-R-E-Harmeet.com.
00:00:16.000 If you want to support her candidacy for RNC chair, you can contact your state party chair, your national committeeman, or committeewoman, hireharmeet.com.
00:00:25.000 Buckle up, everybody, here.
00:00:26.000 We go.
00:00:27.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:29.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
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00:01:11.000 In 11 days, we will know who is going to run the RNC going into a very consequential election cycle.
00:01:22.000 I'm done saying it's the most important election of our lifetime.
00:01:24.000 It probably is.
00:01:26.000 But come on, we can't continue to be out of power, especially presidentially.
00:01:32.000 98% of attendees at our Turning Point Actions poll in Phoenix said they want a change.
00:01:39.000 A similar poll was done this last weekend by, I believe it was Trafalgar, and 86% want a change in leadership at the RNC.
00:01:47.000 So why is this such a difficult effort?
00:01:50.000 Why is it so difficult to have the RNC listen to voters and listen to grassroots and listen to citizens?
00:02:02.000 Joining us now is Harmeet Dylan, who is running for chair of the RNC.
00:02:09.000 This should not be difficult, but here we are.
00:02:13.000 Harmeet, welcome to the program.
00:02:15.000 Thanks for having me, Charlie.
00:02:17.000 Harmeet, I first want to compliment you for your courage and your willingness, because the people that are coming after you, they are so nasty.
00:02:26.000 They are so terrible.
00:02:28.000 In fact, I pounded the table last week of a Politico article where they were attacking your Sikh heritage.
00:02:35.000 And I grew up with Sikhs, and some of the most beautiful, amazing people that I were honored to call friends growing up were Sikh.
00:02:42.000 And obviously, it's leaked from people that want to attack you.
00:02:46.000 So the nastiness being thrown at you is incomprehensible.
00:02:49.000 And it's kudos to you for your courage for stepping up and your willingness.
00:02:52.000 Walk us through the state of the race.
00:02:54.000 11 days.
00:02:55.000 We have a failure as chair of the RNC. 0.99
00:02:57.000 We got to get rid of her.
00:02:58.000 What's the latest?
00:03:00.000 Well, thank you.
00:03:00.000 So the latest is I jumped into this race just a little over a month ago after our chair, Ronna McDaniel, basically is refusing to leave.
00:03:11.000 Normally after you lose a presidential race, you actually do leave.
00:03:14.000 So that was two years ago, but she promised us a final and third term.
00:03:18.000 And so now that I see all these members lining up behind her, we jumped in and I have now over a dozen members of the RNC actively making phone calls with me to help whip the votes.
00:03:29.000 There are only 168 voters in this election.
00:03:32.000 I'm one of them and I will be voting for change and voting for myself.
00:03:36.000 And so the job is to convince people who are supporting Rana as well as people who are undecided to support me.
00:03:42.000 And I'm happy to say that her numbers are going down and our numbers are going up.
00:03:46.000 And now that it's a competitive horse race, some folks who are willing to support her because there was no choice have kept an open mind and they want to see which way the wind blows.
00:03:55.000 That is, you know, it's not exactly profiles in courage in some way.
00:03:58.000 And so we're trying to encourage people to actually get off the fence because if you are supporting two more years of Rana's leadership, you are saying to the voters in your state, I accept failure.
00:04:11.000 Failure is fine.
00:04:13.000 This is fine.
00:04:14.000 And you should be happy with two more years of the same.
00:04:17.000 And I refuse to accept that for the voters in California who I represent, 5 million plus Republicans.
00:04:22.000 And two of the three members in Texas refused to accept it there.
00:04:26.000 The members in Arizona refused to accept it.
00:04:29.000 Two of the three members in Alabama as well have supported change.
00:04:34.000 And all over the country, state parties are organically voting for votes of no confidence and votes of support for my leadership.
00:04:42.000 I think that's encouraging.
00:04:43.000 But the question is, in the remaining 12 days, can we persuade enough of these folks who have been, you know, I mean, I know this is controversial and hurtful to some of them, but actually when the chair promises you committee appointments and sort of perks at the RNC, that is persuasive.
00:05:00.000 I'm not handing out perks.
00:05:01.000 I've not offered anybody a job.
00:05:03.000 I've not offered anybody cash transfers for their state party or to pay legal bills in the future.
00:05:08.000 What I've offered them is I will give 110% of my commitment to work with other RNC members to win elections.
00:05:15.000 And that is the only job, not photos and cocktail parties.
00:05:20.000 Just win, right?
00:05:22.000 Was it Al Davis that said that, who used to run the Oakland Raiders?
00:05:24.000 Just win, baby.
00:05:25.000 This is not hard.
00:05:26.000 And if you don't win, then get out.
00:05:27.000 I mean, again, I'm a big football fan.
00:05:29.000 And if you go 500, if you're Cliff Kingsbury and you don't make the playoffs, sorry, you got to go to Thailand, which is where he is right now.
00:05:34.000 Like enough.
00:05:35.000 Okay, you're a nice person.
00:05:36.000 Wish you well.
00:05:37.000 Here's a settlement.
00:05:38.000 Get out.
00:05:39.000 So Harmeet, I just, I want you to reemphasize this, though, because the number one piece of feedback I receive from our audience is confusion.
00:05:46.000 They don't quite get it because they hear the polls, they talk to their friends, they're angry, and they don't even understand why this is competitive.
00:05:54.000 So can you just kind of go through some of the clubbiness here?
00:05:57.000 I think that's important.
00:05:59.000 Okay, so for those of you who have PTSD about high school, I have PTSD about high school.
00:06:05.000 I was one of the geeks.
00:06:06.000 I was like, you know, reading Alexander Souls and Itson and everybody else was worrying about what they're going to wear to the prom.
00:06:11.000 The RNC is kind of like that in a way.
00:06:13.000 And it's, you know, explained to me as a high school, a small high school.
00:06:17.000 And so it is like that.
00:06:18.000 And so there's a clique of popular kids and there's a prom queen and there's, you know, jocks.
00:06:23.000 And then there's like, you know, the rest of us.
00:06:24.000 And so the reality is that a lot of people want to be that click of the most popular and the most the people with the with the titles and the perks.
00:06:35.000 Head of this committee, head of that committee, head of a third committee, part of the site selection committee, part of the committee on arrangements.
00:06:42.000 Now, these are obscure.
00:06:43.000 And, you know, frankly, I didn't go there to be on any of these committees.
00:06:46.000 I went there to help win elections for Republicans and then, you know, do my day job.
00:06:49.000 But those are the things that actually sway a lot of members.
00:06:53.000 Now, the other dynamic is we're in the middle of a cycle.
00:06:57.000 And so two of the three members from every state were elected at the beginning of the cycle.
00:07:02.000 That is a national committee, woman, and committee man.
00:07:04.000 So they're not up for election for another two years.
00:07:05.000 They're not up for election until the year of 2024, the presidential race.
00:07:10.000 And so as a result of that, you know, they're not feeling any pressure if they vote the wrong way.
00:07:15.000 So for the next two years, I'd like to enjoy their perks.
00:07:18.000 And, you know, they're sort of impervious to political influence.
00:07:21.000 Chairs of the parties, on the other hand, are not because they're typically elected right around this time.
00:07:27.000 Some of them are being elected this week and this month.
00:07:29.000 Some of them are being elected the day of or the day after the election for my position.
00:07:35.000 And so they're more susceptible to change.
00:07:37.000 But on the other hand, when the chair of the RNC has handed out cash to your party, which is the job of the RNC and done it recently, you remember that.
00:07:48.000 That's natural.
00:07:49.000 And I appreciate that loyalty.
00:07:51.000 The analysis should not be what has the chair done for me lately, but what is the next chair or the chair for the next two years going to do for our party and our country?
00:08:01.000 And so, you know, I hear a lot of defense of the current chair of things like, well, it's not her fault, candidate selection, Trump made bad endorsements, Dobbs, you know, like there's a series of things we are blaming for not winning.
00:08:15.000 And then there's a series of things that we did.
00:08:18.000 Okay, we had more voter-attempted contacts in this last cycle.
00:08:23.000 But like you gave the football analogy, it's not enough to say, well, I made four plays, right?
00:08:28.000 But I didn't, you know, move the ball down the field.
00:08:31.000 No, like who made the touchdown?
00:08:33.000 The other side made the touchdown.
00:08:35.000 The other side is playing capture the flag.
00:08:38.000 And we are, you know, like counting how many doors we knocked on, whether we contacted voters and updated our databases with hard information or not.
00:08:47.000 So these, so some of the things I'd like to do at the RNC is number one, this is something that I'm just announcing this week after giving a lot of thought to the organization.
00:08:56.000 We need a director level of election operations at the RNC.
00:09:00.000 So currently, so-called election day operations, which is anybody keeping up knows we don't have election day anymore in America.
00:09:07.000 For the most part, we have election month.
00:09:09.000 We have election two months in many states in my state in California.
00:09:12.000 So we used to hire election workers as seasonal workers, like farmhands for like three months around the election time and then lay them off right afterwards.
00:09:21.000 This needs to be a year-round effort of professionals whose job it is to keep up with innovations in the states on voting, develop strategies and help the states do that.
00:09:31.000 So this will be a new director-level position at the RNC, equivalent to the comms, the legal, the political, the data, the digital.
00:09:38.000 That's critical.
00:09:39.000 We have to invest in that and we have to help states keep up with that.
00:09:43.000 And the Democrats, by the way, they do this.
00:09:45.000 I also want to have some of that other work that we do, engagement with new communities, young people.
00:09:50.000 That has to be a year-round job, not a gimmick that you do around elections with fake coalitions.
00:09:56.000 It has to be done on a sustained and ongoing basis. 0.99
00:09:59.000 I want to cut the fat out of the RNC.
00:10:01.000 No matter whether you use my number of 40% overhead of fundraising or more, or the number that we saw from the treasurer of the party yesterday come out saying it's really harming only 33% overhead.
00:10:12.000 Too much overhead.
00:10:13.000 We really have to be cutting the fat and then taking the savings and investing it.
00:10:19.000 Walk us through the math.
00:10:20.000 Where do you think we're at right now, realistically?
00:10:23.000 I mean, Rana says she has 110 votes.
00:10:25.000 I think that's a bunch of nonsense.
00:10:27.000 I think it's probably within 10 to 15 swing voters.
00:10:29.000 Is that about right?
00:10:30.000 Yeah, I think that's right.
00:10:31.000 And so there are quite a few members.
00:10:33.000 We continue to work on them and call them quite a few.
00:10:36.000 I had a great conversation this morning with one member who said, you know, had been previously committed to Rana, who said, I like what I heard.
00:10:43.000 I'm going to keep an open mind and we should talk more in new in Dana Point.
00:10:49.000 You mentioned Dana Point.
00:10:50.000 We have these meetings that are at these lavish $1,000 resorts.
00:10:54.000 Yeah.
00:10:54.000 Yeah.
00:10:54.000 Now that's going to end if I'm the chair of the RNC.
00:10:56.000 I think one of our last meeting where we elected Rana two years ago was at Amelia Island and it was a sort of a leftover booking that somehow we couldn't cancel, but we blew $3 million on that meeting, which is ridiculous.
00:11:09.000 And we need better negotiations on these things so that we don't get stuck with contracts we can't get out of.
00:11:14.000 So, you know, yeah, I mean, I think we should be focusing on raising money from donors and then not blowing it on ourselves, but actually using it to win elections.
00:11:22.000 And, you know, there was the joke back in the day that Republicans would wear the red cloth, the cloth coat, the sturdy cloth coat, and be economical and hard-nosed about it.
00:11:33.000 That's how our party needs to run too, not like, you know, Beverly Hills divorce age.
00:11:37.000 That's well said.
00:11:39.000 But look, the thing is, though, with you said Beverly Hills divorcees, I think that's hilarious and totally true.
00:11:46.000 Beverly Hills divorcees are allowed to receive more than $750,000 per person per year.
00:11:52.000 So there's two things, right, that are important to remind ourselves about the RNC.
00:11:57.000 The RNC can do things that only the RNC can do.
00:11:59.000 So let's pretend that we get so disgusted and we say, let's go start a bunch of 527s. 1.00
00:12:04.000 Let's go a bunch of super PACs.
00:12:06.000 It cannot, those super PACs can't coordinate with state committees. 0.89
00:12:10.000 They can't coordinate with campaigns.
00:12:12.000 They can't share data.
00:12:13.000 The way the federal election code is written, you and I have talked about this on air before, but it's important to reemphasize.
00:12:18.000 The RNC is able to do certain things that no other organization can do.
00:12:24.000 Second thing, frugality is imperative because the RNC is not able to receive a $5 million contribution, a $10 million contribution, a $20 million contribution.
00:12:34.000 They're capped at $750,000 per person per year.
00:12:37.000 Now, that's a lot of money.
00:12:39.000 However, it really isn't when we're talking about $2 billion election cycle.
00:12:44.000 Therefore, if the RNC can only do what the RNC can do and it can't receive these massive $25 million, $50 million contributions that Mitch McConnell can get or Kevin McCarthy can get, those two things mean that every dollar matters more.
00:12:59.000 The pressure on the spending needs to be under way more scrutiny than that of even Rick Scott Super PAC or the Congressional Leadership Fund.
00:13:06.000 Your thoughts, Harmeen.
00:13:07.000 You're absolutely right.
00:13:08.000 And so I had a couple of sad conversations during this race with two presidential candidates, expected presidential candidates for 2024.
00:13:16.000 Both of them said, you know, unfortunately, the RNC is kind of, you know, we have to work around them.
00:13:21.000 They're kind of an obstacle, which was really sad to me as somebody who spent six years at the RNC.
00:13:26.000 And I want to change that perception amongst candidates.
00:13:29.000 But you're absolutely right for those members in the public who say, well, I'm quitting and I don't like the way it runs and we don't need the RNC anymore.
00:13:35.000 We're just going to give to candidates.
00:13:37.000 You're exactly right.
00:13:38.000 Those candidates cannot run their campaigns without the data that the RNC has invested through data trust.
00:13:44.000 And, you know, we're supposed to be supplementing well with annotations and creating voter scores and then getting feedback from our field workers.
00:13:53.000 We're not doing the best job of that.
00:13:54.000 We think we can improve it, though.
00:13:56.000 We have a start.
00:13:57.000 So the RNC is necessary, but not sufficient to win elections.
00:14:02.000 It is a necessary foundation.
00:14:04.000 And then candidates have to build up.
00:14:06.000 That's right.
00:14:07.000 There's no substitute for it.
00:14:09.000 You just can't win without that data, without that air cover, without that network of support, without that field program that helps the state.
00:14:17.000 I mean, you know, you don't win a presidential election in a vacuum.
00:14:20.000 The RNC should be raising money and spending most of that money, in my opinion, back into the states.
00:14:25.000 Instead, over this last cycle, for all the money we raised, half of it was in 2020, so focused on the presidential.
00:14:31.000 But the rest of it, we only spent 20% of that money back to the states.
00:14:35.000 The other 80%, you know, there's 40% overhead of fundraising, and then there's a bunch of other stuff.
00:14:41.000 And there's a handful of about half a dozen consultants in the party who get literally tens of millions of dollars per cycle.
00:14:49.000 And like, I love money as much as any other Republican capitalist out there.
00:14:53.000 But if you have crony capitalism, that is non-competitive spending, you have monopoly, which is inefficient, and you have poor quality of outcome.
00:15:02.000 And so if you're going to get paid, regardless of results, whether you're the chair of the RNC, whether you're a vendor, you're not going to be improving.
00:15:09.000 In fact, you're going to be clinging to your failure and economies of scale mean you won't do a very good job.
00:15:14.000 And I'm not saying that any that, by the way, I want to be clear.
00:15:17.000 I'm sure Ronda wanted to win these elections.
00:15:19.000 But the question is, is capability and frankly, humility and willingness to say, I did it wrong.
00:15:24.000 I got to do it better or somebody else can do it better.
00:15:27.000 Former Arizona Cardinals football coach Cliff Kingsbury, I'm sure he wanted to win the Super Bowl.
00:15:30.000 Completely irrelevant.
00:15:31.000 He's in Thailand now, just like trying to get his mind straight.
00:15:34.000 Fire leaders that don't perform.
00:15:36.000 Harmeet, you're going to be one of the leaders that does perform.
00:15:38.000 We're behind you.
00:15:39.000 Hope you are successful in 11 days.
00:15:41.000 We got our eyes on it.
00:15:42.000 Thanks so much.
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00:17:20.000 Joining us now is Darren Beattie from Revolver.news.
00:17:26.000 Darren, I want to give you credit.
00:17:29.000 And I remember you were on a Tucker Carlson interview and you said something.
00:17:34.000 And this is the power of kind of spoken truth and the power of going on people's shows.
00:17:40.000 And I remember I saw it and I rewound it and I rewound it like four or five times.
00:17:44.000 It was the first person I heard that said it so clearly.
00:17:47.000 And we're actually trying to find the tape, but it just pops in my memory.
00:17:51.000 You said, Tucker, we need to bring these Intel agencies to heal and we need a Church Committee 2.0.
00:17:57.000 I said, ooh, I like that.
00:17:59.000 And so I started to repeat it.
00:18:01.000 I started to tweet it and other people did as well.
00:18:03.000 But we kind of made it a central shtick on this program.
00:18:08.000 And now, Darren, from a Tucker Carlson interview to policy, there is now a church committee.
00:18:16.000 Congratulations, Darren.
00:18:18.000 You were the first one to mention it.
00:18:20.000 Walk us through.
00:18:22.000 Well, absolutely.
00:18:24.000 I think we all did a great job in sort of meming this into reality, as it were.
00:18:30.000 And it's funny you mentioned that because I remember that Tucker clip and I looked for that exact clip and I couldn't find it either.
00:18:38.000 So it's all in our memory.
00:18:41.000 It's somewhere in our consciousness.
00:18:43.000 It definitely happened.
00:18:44.000 It definitely happened.
00:18:46.000 I just couldn't find the clip, but no, I think we've all done a great job in pushing this through.
00:18:53.000 And now it looks like we've got what we wanted.
00:18:56.000 We do have a church-style committee, and there are a lot of efforts undertaken to make that happen.
00:19:03.000 And so now what we need to do is we need to make the most of the opportunity.
00:19:08.000 That's the next step.
00:19:10.000 And Revolver.news, we just put up a piece basically looking into the church committee as the most relevant historical parallel and seeing where things match up and where things don't with a view toward maximizing the impact of this committee.
00:19:31.000 And there are a number of important differences here that unfortunately will make the climb in this case a little bit tougher than it was for Senator Church and his colleagues in the 1970s.
00:19:45.000 Yeah.
00:19:46.000 And so one of the things that I think is important, and I want your thoughts because you're such a strategic thinker in this, and our team's actually trying to set up a time for you to come out here to Phoenix, Darren, where we have a long, extended exploratory conversation on some of the bigger topics here.
00:20:01.000 So walk me through the wisdom that you have to share of how Jim Jordan and Thomas Massey, and I think the world of Thomas Massey, I think he's a man of integrity and courage.
00:20:12.000 I think he really believes in this effort.
00:20:15.000 I couldn't be more enthusiastic about his placement on this committee.
00:20:19.000 But what is your wisdom on how they can successfully navigate the labyrinth?
00:20:25.000 Because right now, Christopher Wray is setting up a series of trapdoors and smokescreens and double-edged mirrors where they're going to get a series of classified documents and series of runarounds and series of dead ends and committees and go to box 302.
00:20:40.000 And once they get to box 302, it says go to box 44812.
00:20:43.000 You get what I'm saying here, Darren.
00:20:45.000 What do they have to do?
00:20:47.000 What could they learn from the Church and Pike Committee to be able to quickly and effectively navigate the Intel Fourth Branch of Government Labyrinth?
00:20:57.000 Well, that is a great question.
00:20:59.000 And I agree that Congressman Massey is probably one of the best people to do it.
00:21:05.000 Congressman Massey, in conjunction with a lawyer, would be a dream team.
00:21:10.000 But Massey has incredible courage.
00:21:13.000 He understands the problem of the national security state.
00:21:17.000 I just had a pretty long and productive conversation with him earlier today.
00:21:21.000 And, you know, without getting into the details of that, I think I'm very optimistic about his approach to it.
00:21:29.000 And so, insofar as we're beset by limitations, it's not due to Massey or the other people involved.
00:21:37.000 It's due to the structural conditions.
00:21:39.000 I want to lay some of those out and what they were in the church committee versus what they are here.
00:21:44.000 You know, first of all, you mentioned church and pike, which is interesting because Pike was coming out of the House of Representatives.
00:21:51.000 It was the church committee, it was a Senate committee that had the cooperation, albeit reluctant cooperation, not only of the White House, of a different party.
00:22:04.000 So, you know, Frank Church and his team had multiple meetings with President Ford in the White House.
00:22:12.000 In fact, I've been reading up on this.
00:22:13.000 There are some fascinating meetings.
00:22:15.000 One meeting with church, church committee staff members are in there in the White House with Gerald Ford, Pat Buchanan, who was a speechwriter at the time.
00:22:28.000 Henry Kissinger, like some of these scenes from the church committee are actually like a blast from the past.
00:22:34.000 One of the main legal staffers on the church committee was this guy called Schwartz, who's the heir to the famous FAO Schwartz toy dynasty.
00:22:43.000 There are a lot of interesting characters.
00:22:45.000 Barry Goldwater was on the church committee.
00:22:48.000 It is a very fascinating question.
00:22:50.000 How has no one done a Netflix series answer because they don't want people to think about the Intel agencies?
00:22:55.000 Continue.
00:22:56.000 Right.
00:22:56.000 No, it's fascinating.
00:22:59.000 But the thing is, already we see where the analogy breaks down when we have the bipartisan church committee, senior staffers meeting in the White House.
00:23:14.000 It's not like Ford is saying, I'm going to give you everything you want, but it's a friendly meeting where Ford acknowledges the importance of it and wants to cooperate.
00:23:22.000 They're meeting with counterparts in the Department of Justice, in the CIA, and other places.
00:23:28.000 Can you imagine Jim Jordan and Thomas Massey getting a friendly audience in the Biden White House and in the CIA and other places with people, you know, even paying lip service to it is kind of unimaginable.
00:23:42.000 No, you can't do that.
00:23:45.000 They stonewalled in many cases, but they did get documents related to assassination files and so forth.
00:23:52.000 And so long story short, the church committee, the public pressure leading to the church committee was greatly assisted by a cooperative media and a left-wing media.
00:24:04.000 And the political environment was just right in the aftermath of the Watergate scandal, which again, you know, the public perception of the reality of Watergate are two very different things, but that's a conversation for another day.
00:24:18.000 The important thing here is that the left-wing media was very much on board with the spirit of the church committee investigation because ultimately it was perceived as an investigation of abuses against the left by a more or less right-wing rogue intelligence apparatus.
00:24:38.000 And now we're in a totally different situation where the CIA is woke.
00:24:43.000 You know, the FBI is kneeling for Black Lives Matter.
00:24:48.000 And the media is definitely not on the side of the investigative agenda of Thomas Massey and Jim Jordan.
00:24:57.000 You have to wonder that some of the Democrats that were on the church committee, the takeaway was, oh, let's take this over.
00:25:06.000 The takeaway was not that this needs to be reformed to a place of neutrality.
00:25:11.000 The takeaway was, hey, let's go on a 40-year campaign so that by the year of 2020 or 2010, our ideological cohort is running the agencies, not people that are actually more kind of sympathetic to the strong nuclear family and Western values.
00:25:29.000 Do you think there's something to that?
00:25:30.000 Or is that just kind of...
00:25:31.000 Absolutely.
00:25:32.000 I mean, I think this was right around, at least chronologically, the inflection point where the left started to really begin its capture, not only of the sort of academic institutions, but of the national security institutions.
00:25:46.000 There was another important inflection point in the way that these operations, these government operations were structured.
00:25:55.000 Because back then, all of the dirty deeds were effectively done in-house.
00:26:01.000 And partially as a response to the church committee's findings, they said, well, we don't want another church-style committee to expose all this stuff going on in-house.
00:26:10.000 So for a lot of our dirty stuff, we're effectively going to outsource it to these NGOs and cutout organizations that are formally part of the private sector, but are more or less doing our dirty work.
00:26:23.000 And that's where you see a lot of, for instance, the censorship industry, the whole disinformation industry.
00:26:29.000 Yes, a lot of it is still taking place in-house, but I would say the lion's share is actually happening outside of the formal structure of the government and taking place in university-affiliated institutions, NGOs, organizations like the Atlantic Council's DFR lab and so forth.
00:26:50.000 And so that basic structural transformation would have to be taken into account in order to have an effective church-style committee for the present era.
00:27:00.000 That's such a smart point.
00:27:02.000 And I'll be honest, I'm not really sure how we navigate that in the short or distant future because what they've done, as you say, through a series of NGOs, sympathetic for-profit corporations, Fortune 100 companies, celebrities, influencers, universities, they outsource the unconstitutional actions.
00:27:22.000 They're also able to keep some of their communication that will now be investigated to seem kind of more vanilla or they could just, ah, you know, we don't, that's not us.
00:27:30.000 That's Stanford.
00:27:32.000 I mean, that's not us.
00:27:33.000 That is Peter Dasik.
00:27:35.000 That's not us.
00:27:36.000 That is Twitter.
00:27:37.000 That's not us.
00:27:38.000 That is the Center for Censorship Pullet Bureau.
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00:28:53.000 All right, Darren, we got a surprise for you.
00:28:55.000 Enjoy CUT 27.
00:28:57.000 Does the national security apparatus do anything but conspire against the American people?
00:29:03.000 I'm led to conclude that we cannot have a democracy.
00:29:07.000 Everything in our politics will be fake and performative until we bring the national security state, including the FBI, to heel.
00:29:15.000 It's not a left issue.
00:29:17.000 It's not a right issue. 0.55
00:29:18.000 Every politician who cares about our country should demand a Church Committee 2.0.
00:29:24.000 Darren, you did it, man.
00:29:27.000 That was the 15th of June.
00:29:28.000 We'll send that to you because I'm sure you'll want to publicize it.
00:29:31.000 That is the 15th of June, 2021.
00:29:35.000 A year and a half ago, Darren.
00:29:37.000 This is so important, everybody.
00:29:38.000 This is the Overton window at work.
00:29:40.000 This is the Overton theory window, which I think is one of the most incredible lenses that you could view politics, where you move something from that is unthinkable to all of a sudden something that is policy.
00:29:51.000 But you must first introduce the idea into the zeitgeist.
00:29:54.000 You must make an argument for it.
00:29:55.000 And then all of a sudden it spreads with virality.
00:29:58.000 And Darren Beattie deserves credit for that.
00:30:00.000 Okay, so Darren, let me ask you just really quickly.
00:30:02.000 Let's kind of a lightning round because I want to play a piece from Senator Church way back when.
00:30:09.000 What can we do, the audience, to support this committee?
00:30:12.000 Because they're going to need support.
00:30:14.000 I think they're going to get intimidation threats.
00:30:16.000 That's what I love, Thomas Massey, the guy's from like 1794.
00:30:19.000 He's been like loyally married to his wife since high school, basically.
00:30:22.000 He makes his own power, his own energy. 0.85
00:30:24.000 He's like the most boring person ever.
00:30:25.000 He's perfect to put on, you know, he's not someone who's just kind of involved in scandalous affairs and laundering money from Zambia.
00:30:33.000 I mean, the guy is as ethical as it gets.
00:30:35.000 What can we do to support this committee really quick?
00:30:38.000 Well, public pressure is our only hope because the media isn't going to provide much assistance as it did with the church committee in the 70s.
00:30:47.000 Public pressure is the only way we can make this happen.
00:30:50.000 Massey can't do it alone.
00:30:52.000 He needs the pressure because that's going to be his leverage.
00:30:56.000 So that's number one, the public pressure that comes from knowledge and understanding.
00:31:01.000 And secondly, we need specificity and persistence.
00:31:06.000 We can't do a full broad range kind of things because we don't have that level of cooperation.
00:31:12.000 We need to find the easiest and most impactful asks, keep them specific, and just hammer them over and over and over.
00:31:23.000 And based on what comes out of those, that might generate more pressure to find more, but it has to be very strategic, laid out, has to be very specific.
00:31:33.000 If we get bogged down in an avalanche of material, that could be counterproductive.
00:31:39.000 I think we need to really be targeted about what we're asking for.
00:31:43.000 In relation to January 6th, I keep it simple.
00:31:46.000 We want the surveillance footage of the pipe bomb and the chain of custody of that footage.
00:31:51.000 That's it.
00:31:52.000 I would keep it that simple because that's what's going to lead to everything else.
00:31:57.000 If we ask for a million things and get distracted everywhere, I'm worried that nothing is going to come of it.
00:32:03.000 That's right.
00:32:04.000 We must be precise and we must be focused.
00:32:06.000 I want to play a piece of tape here.
00:32:08.000 Senator Church, play cut 26.
00:32:10.000 This is back from 1975.
00:32:14.000 At the same time, that capability at any time could be turned around on the American people.
00:32:20.000 And no American would have any privacy left, such as the capability to monitor everything, telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn't matter.
00:32:29.000 There would be no place to hide if this government ever became a tyranny.
00:32:37.000 If a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny.
00:32:52.000 And there would be no way to fight back.
00:32:55.000 1975, Darren.
00:32:57.000 Incredible.
00:32:58.000 Very, very prescient.
00:33:00.000 And, you know, it's Church was a very impressive guy.
00:33:05.000 He was a very impressive senator.
00:33:08.000 You know, a lot of his life history was very interesting.
00:33:11.000 It's sort of going, digging into the church committee is a nostalgic element to see just the quality of representatives that existed at that time.
00:33:21.000 It's definitely a standard to look up to.
00:33:24.000 Again, Thomas Massey's job is a lot more difficult than what Church's job was for the reasons described.
00:33:31.000 But I think if we keep it narrow, we keep it focused and we stay persistent, something very meaningful can come out of this.
00:33:41.000 I asked this question to Jim Jordan and Thomas Massey, but we got to keep on saying this publicly to hopefully thwart their plans.
00:33:48.000 They're going to come after the members of this committee.
00:33:50.000 They're going to come after them personally.
00:33:52.000 They're going to come after them with a series of black propaganda tactics. 0.90
00:33:55.000 Darren, how can we help in that regard?
00:33:58.000 And what do you anticipate the intel agencies doing as even a preemptive measure?
00:34:02.000 Well, I hope they come after because that's a signal that they're actually, you know, rocking the boat.
00:34:09.000 I have every confidence that Massey is capable and willing to rock the boat.
00:34:13.000 I hope Jim Jordan is as well.
00:34:16.000 We'll just have to see.
00:34:17.000 And obviously, if they get attacked, I think they should hold that up as a banner of pride, especially if they're getting attacked by the regime media or their intelligence proxies.
00:34:27.000 They should just focus on doing the right thing with this committee and getting to the bottom of it because it truly could have historic results if done the right way.
00:34:36.000 And I also think they should ignore Joe Biden.
00:34:38.000 I have a contrarian view here.
00:34:41.000 I know you agree, but I think that some of this could be, and I think there's an element to everything, but an element of this classified document thing could be a massive, like, hey, come on, take the treat.
00:34:52.000 Come do this.
00:34:53.000 Exactly.
00:34:55.000 It has every indication of being sort of a cattle raid and Durham style stuff.
00:35:06.000 Don't be fooled by the mirage.
00:35:09.000 Focus on January 6th.
00:35:11.000 Focus on that pipe bomb and revolver.news, Darren Beattie, move the Overton window from idea to reality.
00:35:18.000 Congratulations.
00:35:18.000 See you, Darren.
00:35:19.000 Thank you.
00:35:21.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:35:22.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:35:25.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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