00:00:00.000Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show bombshell episode with Katherine Engelbrecht and Greg Phillips from truthevote.org.
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00:02:55.000Greg Phillips, Kath and Engelbrecht from True the Vote, website, Truthevote.org.
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00:03:02.000I just want to preface this by saying this episode and this conversation is one of the most important projects I think that's going on right now in the country.
00:03:10.000And the way that both of you went about it, to how you looked at a massive problem, used technology, used data, took your time to actually be able to prove what happened in the 2020 election is nothing short of brilliant, truly.
00:03:26.000And we've talked about the upcoming movie, 2000 Mules, but I really want to talk about what you guys are doing and have done through True the Vote.
00:03:58.000We kept peeling back layers, and now here we are, I think, on the cusp of sharing some things with America that they need to know and that's been going on for an awfully long time.
00:04:08.000Yeah, and I mean, I could say when I first heard about what you guys were doing, Greg, you sent me a couple messages.
00:04:15.000We chatted on the phone, and I was blown away by it.
00:04:27.000So, Greg, introduce yourself, talk about your background, and then talk about how did you all of a sudden get looking into the 2020 election?
00:04:37.000Been around politics since 1982, long time.
00:04:43.000Been doing election integrity work, did my first deal in Bullock County, Alabama in 1982, literally.
00:04:50.000A guy named Emery Fulmer was running against George Wallace in his last race for governor.
00:04:54.000There were 147% of the voting age population both registered and voting in Bullock County.
00:05:04.000After all these years and quite a few campaigns and some other things, Catherine and I founded a healthcare technology company together but sort of kept our side businesses going.
00:05:14.000Catherine's with True the Vote, me with kind of a research company.
00:05:18.000And as 2020 sort of came together and unfolded, I mean, the days since the day after the election or the day of to now has just been an incredible whirlwind where we've figured out how to take some high-end technology capability and apply it to these elections and come up with not only hypotheses, but now proven hypotheses.
00:05:49.000So we're going to go through this in great detail about how you guys came about it because this is going to be the number one story in the conservative movement for the next six to eight weeks and hopefully for months and hopefully it's a reference point.
00:06:00.000But few people will be able to actually hear the deeper level of it, which I really want to explore with you guys.
00:06:28.000And all of a sudden, in the gut, so many American voters knew something was wrong.
00:06:32.000Theories floated everywhere, machines, you know, China hacking things.
00:06:37.000No one was really able to put stuff together.
00:06:39.000But what I found so interesting is how quiet both of you were right after the election.
00:06:43.000I said, they must be looking at something.
00:06:45.000Walk us through the hours, the days, and the weeks that followed the 2020 election, and then how you got into really this voluminous evidence.
00:06:54.000What is nothing short of a criminal conspiracy?
00:06:58.000Well, in the aftermath of the election, and as you rightly point out, there was a huge run-up of things that just all serve to sort of expose this weak underbelly of election process.
00:07:11.000And our process is notoriously notoriously insecure.
00:07:17.000But what we saw in 2020, as you point out, were all these legislative and unconstitutional fiat changes by fiat, changes by a lawsuit.
00:07:28.000And you couple all of that with dirty voter rolls and with the mass mail out of ballots, and then drop in the $400 million plus in private monies, which went to fund many things.
00:07:44.000And we thought that was a recipe, that was a formula that we could potentially take apart bit by bit and use technology to measure.
00:07:54.000And That's kind of where this started.
00:07:58.000Catherine, we ran a hotline for her during the election.
00:08:03.000And like all hotlines, you know, you get all manner of stuff coming into the hotline.
00:08:08.000But there are a few sort of kernels of really interesting pieces.
00:08:11.000And what we began to put together in Philadelphia and Detroit and Wisconsin and Atlanta and even here in Arizona, we began to put together this sort of pattern that each of the challenges that everybody seemed to be most up in arms about had some basic pieces that were all the same.
00:08:30.000You had ballot collectors, people out knocking on doors, getting.
00:08:33.000All across the country, there was this weird pattern.
00:08:36.000So like people in Yuma were acting the same in like Philadelphia.
00:08:40.000Well, slight variations, because I'll give you, for instance, one of our target cities or target areas was Wayne County in Detroit.
00:08:48.000Well, in Detroit, ballot harvesting was illegal and then for two weeks legal and then illegal again.
00:08:54.000So you had variations of the theme, but broadly the theme stayed the same.
00:08:58.000And the theme almost always was a set of collectors, a collection point or a stash house for all the ballots, the bundling of those ballots, and then the casting of those ballots by what we were calling mules in the drop boxes.
00:09:16.000And as we began to sort of put the pieces and parts together, it really did dawn on us.
00:09:22.000Well, this sounds just like what's happening in Atlanta or in San Luis, Arizona, or all these other pieces and parts that were coming together.
00:09:31.000And it was amazing once we finally started to unpack the true grift.
00:09:38.000And as you said, this is a conspiracy, right?
00:09:55.000So what we were able to do was develop a hypotheses or a set of hypotheses that when data was gathered, we have more than two petabytes of data.
00:10:10.000We have arguably more than any nation state level data.
00:10:14.000We have more than anyone might have in terms of data.
00:10:18.000We have video, we have our geolocation information, we have all sorts of documents.
00:13:26.000There are data brokers out there that will, when you define a time period in a jurisdiction that you want to buy, like we wanted to buy San Luis, Arizona.
00:13:36.000So we decided, okay, well, we're going to pull back a little bit and buy Yuma County.
00:13:40.000And so in going to buy Yuma County, it picks up all of those signals across that period of time.
00:13:46.000And you end up with a bunch of terabytes worth of data.
00:13:50.000You mash it all together, build the patterns of life, draw the, let's just say there was a drop box there in the middle of that table.
00:13:58.000We draw a circle, a polygon around the drop box.
00:14:03.000And every time my phone comes in or out of that drop box, that's a unique vit around that drop box.
00:14:18.000Did they go look at cell phone pings and even just say, wait a second, were there repeated visits to the drop boxes?
00:14:24.000We think they were really holding their powder drive for January 6th, because this is exactly what they did on January 6th to all those people.
00:14:31.000They were very familiar with this data at that point.
00:14:45.000No, this type of technology is used every day in law enforcement, but it's also aptly called marketing data because it's how you get served up ads.
00:14:58.000As uncomfortable as that may be, we're all being tracked.
00:15:01.000What we actually think happened on the January 6th piece was this is not simple, right?
00:15:07.000I mean, you have to aggregate the pings, you have to buy the pings, you have to disassemble them, order them, put them in some fashion, build the patterns of life.
00:15:36.000We actually do have access to several very high-powered computers.
00:15:42.000And we do most of the work in Plano, Texas, and part of the work in the high-performance computing center on the campus of Starkville, Mississippi.
00:16:24.000So the next day, they had allegedly already identified some of the people, gotten the convened a grand jury, and then issued arrest warrants in a matter of 72 hours.
00:17:26.000So that's expensive, but we're dealing with a Republican establishment that raises and spends $2 billion to go get some worthless person in Congress to go pass some corrupt bills.
00:17:38.000So it's a lot, but it's not a lot, right?
00:17:40.000Well, I mean, considering what we felt like the result may be, which is a lot for you guys.
00:17:44.000It's a tremendous amount for us, but it's also, it was a total gamble because we were determined to let the data show what the data was going to show.
00:17:54.000We had a working hypothesis that if in fact the weakness in the election was going to be around these drop boxes, that we should be able to geo-fence around the drop boxes and see aberrant data patterns.
00:18:04.000If that's true, then we're on to something.
00:18:06.000But if not, we just spent a whole lot of money on a bunch of data that's not going to amount to anything.
00:18:11.000But the other thing we added, it wasn't at the last minute, but it was to sort of help us get our arms around the data.
00:18:20.000We had been receiving information from witnesses, from like erstwhile whistleblowers, people that had been involved, people that knew somebody was involved.
00:18:29.000And we were able to identify those organizations, those stash houses.
00:18:34.000So not only were we able to look at the drop boxes where the people were going in and out of the Dropbox, sometimes over 50 times.
00:18:42.000In Philadelphia, we had some people, quite a few people, that went over 100 times to the drop boxes.
00:18:48.000But they were also going to the organizations, these are the.
00:18:51.000So it was a hub and spokes model is what you started to see, right?
00:19:05.000So I want to get into that in a second, but just so that our audience understands, so you guys go, you had a hypothesis based on a good amount of, at the time, disconnected firsthand.
00:19:35.000If I was a criminal, wouldn't I try to manipulate and use that?
00:19:40.000So you said, how will we ever be able to prove it, right?
00:19:42.000In fact, the fateful moment that I just turned to you and said, how do we take down a cartel?
00:19:48.000And that's when we began to use the term stash houses and drop points and mules and trafficking and voter abuse because that's what we're looking at.
00:19:55.000I mean, it is shocking and sickening at the same time when you talk to some of these folks and you realize that this is just part of this is just part of the normal cycle for the people that are participating in this.
00:21:01.000Would that be going to the Dropbox three times, going to the four times, five times, six times?
00:21:06.000And we want it to have such clear margins, such clear lines that we finally settled out to groups that were going, you know, in Georgia an average of 23 times.
00:21:19.000And as Greg points out, they also had to go to the NGOs.
00:21:22.000So they had to meet both those criteria for a certain number of times for us to really drill down.
00:21:26.000It's a non-government organization, so like a nonprofit.
00:21:29.000So like a Stacey Abrams group, for example, would potentially apply under the umbrella.
00:21:34.000So you guys get the data, you get a connection to a supercomputer in Starkville, Mississippi, Mississippi State, if I know my college talent well enough, right?
00:21:44.000And, you know, you guys start to go to work 15 months, got a bunch of guys, you know, 16 hours a day, a lot of monster, a lot of Mountain Dew.
00:21:51.000But then all of a sudden, you guys probably start to be like, well, hold on a second.
00:21:55.000So what was the moment in the 15 months where you say, we got something here?
00:22:07.000We only need to develop this to a certain point because certainly when we show this to the election officials or to law enforcement, they are going to jump into action.
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00:24:20.000So, actually, before we play the video, I want to let's get into actually how you got the video because I'm actually cutting in line here.
00:24:26.000Well, so in addition to all of the analysis that was happening, we were doing a wide sweep of all kinds of election integrity records or open records.
00:24:38.000The federal government had come out and given guidance for all of these new drop boxes, saying that their recommendation is that in addition to a number of sort of checkpoints, video surveillance should be among them.
00:24:49.000And so we began to submit open records to get the video.
00:24:53.000And these videos are a product of ultimately what came back.
00:24:56.000Although, what's interesting about what you're going to watch now is that we didn't get this until last month.
00:25:03.000Yeah, I mean, since the first open records requests went out in probably January, and we've been fighting.
00:25:10.000So, by law in Georgia, they had to have a camera over the ballot drop box.
00:25:16.000Because remember, they made up the emergency rules that allowed the drop boxes to be there at all.
00:25:23.000So they had to have rules to go with them.
00:25:25.000So when Raffisberger came in and signed a consent decree with Mark Elias to allow these things to happen, they had to codify some rules internally.
00:25:35.000So the rules said you have to have these cameras, surveillance cameras on the drop boxes.
00:25:43.000And we almost immediately started, as soon as we started asking, they started, well, we don't have it.
00:25:48.000We can't give you an example or a reason why we don't have it.
00:25:53.000It'll be including the video you're about to see.
00:25:56.000It took a year to produce this video, and the only reason they produced it at all is because Catherine and True de Vaux made a complaint to the Secretary of State, which would have been put in place a mechanism for them to get in a lot of trouble.
00:26:09.000Lo and behold, the next day, I think, all of a sudden, the video is going to be.
00:26:13.000So, before we play the video, though, you also suspected that that time place on the video would show you something because you had pings that showed that this individual was doing a route.
00:26:25.000And in addition to our open records efforts, we had evaluated all of the chain of custody documents.
00:26:31.000And so, you could tell at this particular location what a typical day looked like, how many ballots they were typically getting, and then a spike.
00:26:59.000I just want to make a side point here, and I want to ask a question: Is it true that our elections are generally unsupervised by law enforcement?
00:27:08.000Well, we have our own opinions about that.
00:27:11.000It seems to me that whether it's law enforcement or anyone responsible for a process that might deliver a free, fair, and legal election, it's just not happening.
00:27:23.000So, whether it's a supervisor of the process or law enforcement in general, they need to do that.
00:27:30.000What we've since learned is that there were off-duty law enforcement officers that were paid for by the Republican Party that reported all of this and it was covered up.
00:28:33.000Everyone passed that first one was illegal.
00:28:36.000Well, there is a possible in that he could have been an assistor, which would have meant he would have had a signed envelope that would have indicated that he was an assistor in that capacity.
00:28:48.000But through our open records, we confirmed that Gwinnett County had no assistors.
00:29:00.000So here's what we know in Gwinnett County on October the 11th from 7.30 in the morning to October 12th, a Monday morning at 7.30 or so, when they picked up the ballots.
00:29:12.000Because of the pings, we knew that approximately 270 people went to this ballot box.
00:29:18.000But according to the custody document, 1,962 ballots were actually deposited.
00:29:28.000Then all of a sudden the video shows up, and now we get to go in and corroborate it.
00:29:32.000So we sit there and we watch 24 hours of video.
00:29:35.000Sure enough, 271 people approach that ballot box.
00:29:39.000And like I said, 1,962 ballots show up on the video.
00:29:43.000But if you watch the video, did you see people carrying more than sure?
00:29:56.000Well, there is a video at the end that might tell part of it.
00:30:01.000At the end of this day, there's an interesting intersection between there are two people that are charged with going and taking the ballots out of the ballot box and putting them into bags and then taking them wherever they're going.
00:30:14.000Those are the ones who fill out the chain of custody docs.
00:30:19.000But on this particular day, on this Monday morning, another person comes out from underneath the camera, walks toward the two that are there, and instead of having it in a having the ballots in a blue cooler and blue cooler, which is kind of their norm, they had 1,962 ballots in two black duffel bags.
00:30:42.000The person whom we don't know who it is comes up, takes the two black duffel bags, and walks away.
00:31:09.000You know, not to make this even worse, but for all the heat that Raffesberger has received, he actually has been helpful to us in this way.
00:31:21.000All of the politicians, all the media, everyone were saying, you have to go to the governor's office.
00:31:28.000You have to go to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.
00:31:30.000And we had our own dust up with them, which is a whole nother topic.
00:31:34.000But once we finally learned, and Raffesberger's team helped us figure out, the process is you have to make a complaint to the Secretary of State.
00:31:43.000The Secretary of State investigates it, takes it to the State Board of Elections.
00:31:48.000They take it to the Attorney General and then back again.
00:34:00.000We do have secret ballots here, number one.
00:34:03.000Number two, where the ballots actually came from when they decided to sign this consent decree that pushed Raffisburger to send out ballot applications to both active and inactive voters.
00:34:22.000So like I used to live in Georgia, and when I left, my name remained on the rolls for a while.
00:34:28.000So if I haven't voted for five, six, seven years, and all of a sudden there's a ballot application that shows up, these guys go get it, fill it out, get a ballot application in my name.
00:34:46.000And interestingly, in Georgia, while we were doing this project, we had also assisted with finding volunteers in all counties across Georgia to file a historic number of elector challenges.
00:34:59.000So 362,000, 364,000, 364,000 elector challenges because their rolls hadn't been cleaned in two years.
00:35:07.000And so we knew that they're going to get the mail-in ballots.
00:35:11.000There's no way of tracking these loosely.
00:35:18.000To illustrate just one way that those bad rolls can creep into this process, we now know that ineligible voter records contributed to 75,000 of the votes in the general and 45,000 of the votes in the runoff.
00:35:37.000It's important to remember that the runoff would have only been one race, Leffler versus Warnock, because Purdue would have only been 3,000 or 4,000 vote differential that prevented the runoff.
00:35:53.000So to kind of drill down the point, though, ballots went everywhere, 248,000 ballots in 2018, and then we went to 1.2 million.
00:36:01.000We're just talking about Georgia, right?
00:36:02.000Georgia is a good take-case study for this.
00:36:06.000You have that kind of increase of ballots.
00:36:08.000Basically, your hypothesis proven by the cell phone pings in the video is that the ballots were everywhere, and then therefore someone went on an operation to go scoop up the ballots, collect ballots, pay for ballots, and then redistribute those ballots through a ballot laundering scheme.
00:37:15.000Yeah, I want to replay one of these videos, Greg.
00:37:17.000I want to just reinforce a point for myself personally, for everyone watching, which is you're seeing a felony take place in real time here.
00:37:34.000Secretary Raffisberger, shortly after Catherine's team filed the complaint, Secretary Raffsberger went on Fox, I think, or somewhere and said that, yes, we believe this is credible evidence for an investigation, and we believe they are looking into it.
00:38:52.000You know, John David and some of the other people on our team have just spent, I mean, hundreds and hundreds, thousands of hours pouring through this video.
00:40:12.000There's got to be something behind this, right?
00:40:15.000Our current hypothesis, and we still have some work to do on this point, and Catherine describes it, I think, aptly, that there are sort of new money kind of folks like the Stacey Abrams of the world, who all of a sudden show up in Maricopa County after the election, you know, arm in arm with the SEIU and others, them thanking her for helping the state.
00:44:19.000We're just saying we cut it off here because running these cycles, when you have two petabytes of data, it takes a lot of processing power, so you've got to skinny it down somehow.
00:44:28.000And we just sort of arbitrarily said, okay, we'll stop at 10.
00:44:58.000Or do you want to wait for the movie to kind of roll?
00:45:00.000Well, I mean, I think that the takeaway is, I think, when we look at what we know to be true in all the states, the number of organizations, the number of mules, everything in combination, what we've gotten in testimony from how much people were being paid and so forth, the number breaks out to about 7% of the mail-in ballots, and that holds state to state.
00:45:23.000Now, you're going to have some states that have less, but some states that are overperformers in that same way.
00:45:29.000And if you look at that, just as a quick sort of back of the napkin, it's 4.8 million votes.
00:46:35.000It felt, I mean, we just didn't really fiddle with it because we were interested to get to that.
00:46:41.000What we learned was in kind of backing into this disc, is that was the camera from the 14 cameras inside the counting facilities at Gwinnett County from inside.
00:46:53.000So we have the outside, but now we have...
00:47:48.000Well, interesting as it relates to the pings, one of the things that we did in our buy at Catherine's suggestion was: let's buy September before it started.
00:47:58.000Let's buy October while they were voting.
00:48:00.000But let's buy November when nothing should have been happening at the ballot boxes.
00:48:41.000No, I was just going to say we've recently come into some additional information that shows that we show some of the people that participated in the runoff, participated in the general, but we went all the way back to 2018 with some information and found that they did the exact same thing in 2018.
00:49:02.000And they might have done it in 2012 and 2008 or whatever.
00:49:04.000So let me ask you, though, give me a profile of what a mule is.
00:49:56.000And so we went down and interviewed a couple people down there and had some interesting intersections with some folks, me and a couple of my guys.
00:50:05.000We went to that same night, actually, we went to a place called 201 Washington Street, which is an advocacy center attached to a church right across the street from the Capitol.
00:50:22.000And so what we wanted to do then, though, was we wanted to go from 201 Washington Street to Auburn Avenue Library, which is about a nine-minute walk away, according to our pings, because we had people going from Auburn Avenue to the library's where the drop box was.
00:51:10.000And then in Arizona, the profile looked a little bit different because it's been happening.
00:51:18.000It's been happening in Arizona for an awfully long time.
00:51:21.000And what we see there are people that really control communities.
00:51:25.000And you have people that are atop of the pyramid that are coming in and doing everything from building underprivileged housing to controlling the full vertical of the contractors and the banks and the financing organizations.
00:51:38.000And all of those people are participating in rounding up ballots.
00:51:42.000And we have, as people that go to see the movie will soon learn, we have informants who've come forward to describe exactly what happens.
00:52:10.000And one of the most chilling things, I think, in this entire journey for me has been when we interviewed two people who were very familiar with the grift here in Arizona.
00:52:22.000One of them, just from observation, and she just at one point just sat back in her chair and just put her finger up.
00:52:35.000And so we hope to, you know, we hope to help push this over the edge in a way that people can wake up and realize what's happening to our elections.
00:53:15.000But they wouldn't be bothered by felonies on camera.
00:53:18.000Well, they not only refused, but what they did was they sent one of their henchmen, the guy that runs the GBI, down to the FBI office where our data lived, not to see the data, but to get into the metadata and figure out who the analysts were and then burn me and a couple of my analysts.
00:53:57.000Kemp refused to call a special session before the runoff and the widespread illegal ballot harvesting continued electing two Democrat senators.
00:54:32.000When most of our mules apparently vote.
00:54:34.000And she approaches, as you see her walk up to the box, she never looks at the trash can to her left.
00:54:40.000And that's relevant because she goes up, she puts the ballots in the box, and then turns around, starts taking off her gloves, and puts them in a trash can that she never looked at.
00:54:48.000Meaning, she knew the trash can was there.
00:54:50.000She didn't want fingerprints on the ballot.
00:54:54.000Because in Arizona, several days before this, in San Luis, there were some indictments brought, and part of the indictment was brought because they were able to lift fingerprints from the ballots.
00:55:07.000So she comes in with latex gloves, comes there, and drops them off.
00:55:11.000How many of your videos show mules taking pictures of the ballots?
00:55:25.000They were taking pictures of how many.
00:55:28.000In fact, in some of our videos, when people forget to do that, if they're part of the group that was supposed to take those pictures, if they forget, you can just see them, just their whole countenance changes and they'll trudge back to the Dropbox and reluctantly take pictures because they've already dropped the ballot, so now they risk.
00:55:44.000You've got to imagine there's a lot of photos on some picture, on some cameras somewhere that could be used as evidence, but law enforcement won't be bothered by this.
00:55:52.000Let me ask you a question here, which is, we suspected who's behind this, the criminal conspiracy, you know, all these sorts of things that are happening.
00:56:01.000Whistleblowers are starting to come out.
00:56:03.000You know, we're starting to see more and more energy into this entire deal.
00:56:08.000This is the stuff where people just lose faith in their whole system, right?
00:56:13.000So what can be done to restore integrity here?
00:56:16.000First thing is, I mean, wake up, America.
00:56:20.000And if we don't stop it, as Americans, if we don't say we demand clean voter rolls and we demand accountability around process, then this slide will continue.
00:56:31.000But if we stand up and get engaged, most Americans want to do the right thing.
00:56:37.000Our process has just been allowed to erode to a place that the inconsistencies and the insecurities and the inaccuracies, they function as a feature, not a bug.
00:58:17.000It's just easier to kick the can down the road, particularly when you're talking to someone who's elected.
00:58:22.000I mean, the process worked for them, right?
00:58:23.000So why should they worry about what happens downstream?
00:58:26.000It's great to saber rattle and great for fundraising, but the practical matter around getting this process cleaned up is something that most folks just don't want to deal with.
00:58:37.000I think there's some fundamental things.
00:58:39.000Catherine has long said there's sort of four pillars here we need to think about.
00:58:42.000That's a Mark Elias phrase, by the way, that he uses pretty often.
00:58:47.000But let me just give it to you from Catherine.
00:58:49.000From our point of view, we've got to get the voter rolls clean.
00:58:53.000If you can't get the voter rolls clean, then a few other things we do do.
00:59:25.000Catherine's created, or we have created an app with her, IV3.us, that allows an everyday citizen to go in and sit at their kitchen table or watching television or whatever, and we help them through the process of challenging voters in their jurisdiction or in their account.
00:59:52.000And you've got to be able to clearly state in your filings with your county what's going on with the with the record that you're questioning.
01:00:01.000But this notion that we're going to pour hundreds of millions of dollars into lawsuits and get this done, as a practical matter, I mean, the left is game for that.
01:01:31.000And I think you're going to see state auditors and others all over the country now start to say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute, where did all this money go?
01:01:39.000I used to be in government, and I can tell you, it's hard to spend money fast in government, right?
01:01:44.000I mean, you've got some hoops to go through.
01:02:01.000If Zuckerberg doesn't do that, and let's say no one did it, do you think most of this would have happened?
01:02:08.000I know it's a hypothetical, but it's an important hypothetical.
01:02:11.000I think when combined with the first two, right, you take dirty voter rolls, you mail everyone an application, whether they ask for it or not, whether they're even legitimately on the rolls or not, and then you provide a means to stuff them in there.
01:02:27.000Which brings us to the fourth point, right?
01:02:29.000The fourth point is, if you don't have some sort of a punishment for this stuff.
01:03:08.000One of the interesting things about Yuma County and San Luis in particular is some of these kind of that old money that we talked about earlier.
01:03:18.000There's some money that flows into some of these poor border communities and other poor communities around the country that is less about electing a president with these harvesting techniques and more about electing themselves so they can stay in control over all the billions that are flowing in.
01:03:40.000And we believe that here in Arizona that your attorney general and others are tuned in enough to what's going on down there that we're going to see some action.
01:03:50.000So let's talk more about citizen empowerment to close out here.
01:04:01.000And then I want you guys to just totally, you have my permission, tell the audience how you can get support and help because you need it and you're going to need it.
01:04:11.000Because, you know, the Republican establishment, they won't be bothered by this.
01:04:14.000They'd rather lose admirably, Vigi French.
01:04:16.000You know, most of these big DC organizations, establishment, they're fine sitting on their endowments.
01:06:56.000So we can choose to remain complicit and to watch this and to watch the movie, go pop a bag of popcorn and sit back and say, wow, this is just horrible.
01:09:11.000I really was thinking in 2019 when we finally, because we sued the IRS and then, you know, six, seven years later, we beat them.
01:09:19.000And at that moment, I really had to do some prayerful consideration.
01:09:25.000You know, whether or not this is, was that really what True the Vote was about?
01:09:30.000Were we there to make good case law, not to settle, to fight it out?
01:09:36.000I think this is what True the Vote's been put here to do, is to take us into the other side of the mountain because this is real and now we have to do something about it.