The Charlie Kirk Show - How They Did It—My Conversation with True the Vote's Catherine Engelbrecht and Gregg Phillips

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00:02:42.000 Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:45.000 With us today are two old friends.

00:02:47.000 We've known each other for about a decade.

00:02:48.000 Is that about right?

00:02:49.000 In the trenches, and kind of just got back in contact for one of the most important things, I think, happening in the country.

00:02:55.000 Greg Phillips, Kath and Engelbrecht from True the Vote, website, Truthevote.org.

00:03:00.000 And we're going to keep unplugging it throughout.

00:03:02.000 I just want to preface this by saying this episode and this conversation is one of the most important projects I think that's going on right now in the country.

00:03:10.000 And the way that both of you went about it, to how you looked at a massive problem, used technology, used data, took your time to actually be able to prove what happened in the 2020 election is nothing short of brilliant, truly.

00:03:26.000 And we've talked about the upcoming movie, 2000 Mules, but I really want to talk about what you guys are doing and have done through True the Vote.

00:03:34.000 And so let's just start with this.

00:03:36.000 Catherine, introduce yourself.

00:03:38.000 You've been in the voter integrity space for over a decade now.

00:03:40.000 Yes, yeah, over a decade.

00:03:42.000 Started True the Vote in Houston, Texas in 2009.

00:03:48.000 It has been a wild, wild ride ever since.

00:03:51.000 And started out very simply thinking that we just needed more volunteers to work at the polls.

00:03:57.000 One thing led to the next.

00:03:58.000 We kept peeling back layers, and now here we are, I think, on the cusp of sharing some things with America that they need to know and that's been going on for an awfully long time.

00:04:08.000 Yeah, and I mean, I could say when I first heard about what you guys were doing, Greg, you sent me a couple messages.

00:04:15.000 We chatted on the phone, and I was blown away by it.

00:04:17.000 Then we kind of lost touch.

00:04:18.000 You know, lives get busy.

00:04:20.000 And next thing you know, I'm in this room with all the Salem guys, and you're both there, and we go through all this evidence.

00:04:25.000 And I was just completely blown away.

00:04:27.000 So, Greg, introduce yourself, talk about your background, and then talk about how did you all of a sudden get looking into the 2020 election?

00:04:37.000 Been around politics since 1982, long time.

00:04:43.000 Been doing election integrity work, did my first deal in Bullock County, Alabama in 1982, literally.

00:04:50.000 A guy named Emery Fulmer was running against George Wallace in his last race for governor.

00:04:54.000 There were 147% of the voting age population both registered and voting in Bullock County.

00:05:02.000 So that was my intro to it.

00:05:04.000 After all these years and quite a few campaigns and some other things, Catherine and I founded a healthcare technology company together but sort of kept our side businesses going.

00:05:14.000 Catherine's with True the Vote, me with kind of a research company.

00:05:18.000 And as 2020 sort of came together and unfolded, I mean, the days since the day after the election or the day of to now has just been an incredible whirlwind where we've figured out how to take some high-end technology capability and apply it to these elections and come up with not only hypotheses, but now proven hypotheses.

00:05:46.000 And super excited about the outcomes.

00:05:48.000 It's great.

00:05:49.000 So we're going to go through this in great detail about how you guys came about it because this is going to be the number one story in the conservative movement for the next six to eight weeks and hopefully for months and hopefully it's a reference point.

00:06:00.000 But few people will be able to actually hear the deeper level of it, which I really want to explore with you guys.

00:06:05.000 So let's just start right there.

00:06:07.000 2020 happened.

00:06:08.000 We changed all our voting laws.

00:06:10.000 Catherine, you've been warning for a decade that dirty voting rolls is a necessary prerequisite to all sorts of other shenanigans.

00:06:16.000 You've been warning about it.

00:06:17.000 The Republican establishment didn't take it seriously.

00:06:20.000 The Democrat establishment took it very seriously because they didn't want to clean the voting rolls.

00:06:24.000 $430 million is Zuckerberg money.

00:06:26.000 Everyone gets a ballot.

00:06:28.000 And all of a sudden, in the gut, so many American voters knew something was wrong.

00:06:32.000 Theories floated everywhere, machines, you know, China hacking things.

00:06:37.000 No one was really able to put stuff together.

00:06:39.000 But what I found so interesting is how quiet both of you were right after the election.

00:06:43.000 I said, they must be looking at something.

00:06:45.000 Walk us through the hours, the days, and the weeks that followed the 2020 election, and then how you got into really this voluminous evidence.

00:06:54.000 What is nothing short of a criminal conspiracy?

00:06:58.000 Well, in the aftermath of the election, and as you rightly point out, there was a huge run-up of things that just all serve to sort of expose this weak underbelly of election process.

00:07:11.000 And our process is notoriously notoriously insecure.

00:07:17.000 But what we saw in 2020, as you point out, were all these legislative and unconstitutional fiat changes by fiat, changes by a lawsuit.

00:07:28.000 And you couple all of that with dirty voter rolls and with the mass mail out of ballots, and then drop in the $400 million plus in private monies, which went to fund many things.

00:07:40.000 But among that was the drop boxes.

00:07:44.000 And we thought that was a recipe, that was a formula that we could potentially take apart bit by bit and use technology to measure.

00:07:54.000 And That's kind of where this started.

00:07:58.000 Catherine, we ran a hotline for her during the election.

00:08:03.000 And like all hotlines, you know, you get all manner of stuff coming into the hotline.

00:08:08.000 But there are a few sort of kernels of really interesting pieces.

00:08:11.000 And what we began to put together in Philadelphia and Detroit and Wisconsin and Atlanta and even here in Arizona, we began to put together this sort of pattern that each of the challenges that everybody seemed to be most up in arms about had some basic pieces that were all the same.

00:08:30.000 You had ballot collectors, people out knocking on doors, getting.

00:08:33.000 All across the country, there was this weird pattern.

00:08:36.000 So like people in Yuma were acting the same in like Philadelphia.

00:08:39.000 Exactly.

00:08:40.000 Well, slight variations, because I'll give you, for instance, one of our target cities or target areas was Wayne County in Detroit.

00:08:48.000 Well, in Detroit, ballot harvesting was illegal and then for two weeks legal and then illegal again.

00:08:54.000 So you had variations of the theme, but broadly the theme stayed the same.

00:08:58.000 And the theme almost always was a set of collectors, a collection point or a stash house for all the ballots, the bundling of those ballots, and then the casting of those ballots by what we were calling mules in the drop boxes.

00:09:14.000 So it had each of those elements.

00:09:16.000 And as we began to sort of put the pieces and parts together, it really did dawn on us.

00:09:22.000 Well, this sounds just like what's happening in Atlanta or in San Luis, Arizona, or all these other pieces and parts that were coming together.

00:09:31.000 And it was amazing once we finally started to unpack the true grift.

00:09:38.000 And as you said, this is a conspiracy, right?

00:09:40.000 This is organized crime.

00:09:41.000 This is a real conspiracy.

00:09:42.000 An actual conspiracy.

00:09:44.000 You know, it's not about packets of information flying from Rome to the drop boxes and all.

00:09:52.000 Satellite or whatever.

00:09:53.000 It's not about that.

00:09:53.000 Whatever.

00:09:55.000 So what we were able to do was develop a hypotheses or a set of hypotheses that when data was gathered, we have more than two petabytes of data.

00:10:10.000 We have arguably more than any nation state level data.

00:10:14.000 We have more than anyone might have in terms of data.

00:10:18.000 We have video, we have our geolocation information, we have all sorts of documents.

00:10:24.000 Can I pause you really sure?

00:10:25.000 So you guys are at 501c3, all about voter integrity.

00:10:28.000 Republican Party is nowhere to be found.

00:10:30.000 Republican established nowhere to be found.

00:10:31.000 Major media companies nowhere to be found.

00:10:33.000 Law enforcement nowhere to be found.

00:10:35.000 So it's true the vote.org that's going out and getting into the weeds, raising the money to actually go find out what happened.

00:10:40.000 Exactly.

00:10:41.000 Yes.

00:10:42.000 And so, okay, if it's okay to interrupt, Greg, just the one thing that fascinates me at all this is the cell phone data.

00:10:48.000 Can you walk us through a little bit about that?

00:10:50.000 And I'd love to contextualize that for our audience.

00:10:54.000 All of our cell phones put off a set of signals.

00:10:58.000 They're mostly hidden.

00:11:00.000 In fact, if you look on your phone, if you type in star pound06 pound, it's in everybody's phone.

00:11:00.000 So what's the code?

00:11:10.000 06.

00:11:12.000 Pound, okay.

00:11:13.000 Did the numbers come up?

00:11:14.000 Like that?

00:11:15.000 Nope, star in your phone like you're going to call somebody.

00:11:18.000 Yeah, just like you're going to call somebody.

00:11:20.000 Star pound06 pound.

00:11:25.000 Like that?

00:11:26.000 Oh, wow.

00:11:27.000 Okay.

00:11:27.000 So all of those numbers are unique to your phone.

00:11:30.000 No matter what.

00:11:31.000 So even if you, wow, that's amazing.

00:11:34.000 And those numbers then are emitted with apps on your phone.

00:11:41.000 So this is like a fingerprint.

00:11:43.000 It's unique to you.

00:11:43.000 That's right.

00:11:45.000 It cannot be replicated.

00:11:46.000 That's right.

00:11:47.000 And so this is my device ID.

00:11:49.000 This is all of this.

00:11:51.000 And so based on that information, what do we know?

00:11:55.000 There's 300,000 or so apps that collect that information.

00:11:59.000 There's 27,000 apps that collect it on a prolific basis.

00:12:03.000 So like the Weather Channel app or any of your social media apps, any of your social media panel, is that right?

00:12:11.000 It's emitting a signal, and inside the signal, there are several things.

00:12:14.000 First of all, it's the lat long, like where are we on the earth, right? 0.88

00:12:17.000 So my phone's right there, and it can drill down into about 18-inch, an 18-inch diagram.

00:12:25.000 So they'll be able to see Greg, Charlie, and Catherine are here at our studio having a chat.

00:12:30.000 Absolutely.

00:12:30.000 Yes.

00:12:31.000 At this time, right?

00:12:32.000 So it's lat and long time and elevation.

00:12:36.000 On the first floor.

00:12:37.000 So are we on the first floor?

00:12:38.000 Are we on the second floor?

00:12:39.000 Where are we?

00:12:40.000 And if you combine all of those and then add time to it, we can then build the pattern of life around it.

00:12:46.000 So I came from a different building, you guys came from a meeting, and then you can kind of just trace the pings, right?

00:12:51.000 Right.

00:12:52.000 And we can tell you if that's the pattern you normally take.

00:12:54.000 We can go back years and get very, very exacting.

00:12:58.000 And that's what was necessary in this project.

00:13:00.000 So let's take a step back.

00:13:02.000 Some people say, well, hold on a second.

00:13:04.000 What are you guys hacking people's phones or something?

00:13:06.000 How is this legal?

00:13:10.000 We all give permission to these apps to collect these signals.

00:13:13.000 When you first sign into the app and you sign in and you say, yeah, I agree, you just agreed to give those signals to everyone.

00:13:19.000 So how does Greg and Catherine get the combined pings of a city?

00:13:24.000 They're in Costco or somebody?

00:13:26.000 There are data brokers out there that will, when you define a time period in a jurisdiction that you want to buy, like we wanted to buy San Luis, Arizona.

00:13:36.000 So we decided, okay, well, we're going to pull back a little bit and buy Yuma County.

00:13:40.000 And so in going to buy Yuma County, it picks up all of those signals across that period of time.

00:13:46.000 And you end up with a bunch of terabytes worth of data.

00:13:50.000 You mash it all together, build the patterns of life, draw the, let's just say there was a drop box there in the middle of that table.

00:13:58.000 We draw a circle, a polygon around the drop box.

00:14:03.000 And every time my phone comes in or out of that drop box, that's a unique vit around that drop box.

00:14:09.000 That would be a unique visit.

00:14:11.000 So did law enforcement think to do this with the 2020 election when they came out?

00:14:16.000 Krabs and bar, no fraud or anything.

00:14:18.000 Did they go look at cell phone pings and even just say, wait a second, were there repeated visits to the drop boxes?

00:14:24.000 We think they were really holding their powder drive for January 6th, because this is exactly what they did on January 6th to all those people.

00:14:31.000 They were very familiar with this data at that point.

00:14:33.000 So let me get this straight.

00:14:34.000 They used ping cell phone reconnaissance technology to be able to find out the 1,300 people that went and took selfies and stuff.

00:14:41.000 100%.

00:14:42.000 What's really interesting about this is...

00:14:43.000 Is it foreign to them, okay?

00:14:44.000 No, right now.

00:14:45.000 No, this type of technology is used every day in law enforcement, but it's also aptly called marketing data because it's how you get served up ads.

00:14:55.000 Sure.

00:14:56.000 So this is widely used.

00:14:58.000 As uncomfortable as that may be, we're all being tracked.

00:15:01.000 What we actually think happened on the January 6th piece was this is not simple, right?

00:15:07.000 I mean, you have to aggregate the pings, you have to buy the pings, you have to disassemble them, order them, put them in some fashion, build the patterns of life.

00:15:16.000 And this is not a simple task, right?

00:15:18.000 How complicated is it, Craig?

00:15:19.000 How many people?

00:15:20.000 How many hours?

00:15:20.000 What kind of...

00:15:21.000 I mean, like, build it out.

00:15:22.000 It's not some guy mining Bitcoin in a basement.

00:15:25.000 12 hours or 12 people, 16 hours a day for 15 months.

00:15:30.000 Still going on.

00:15:31.000 What kind of supercomputer do you need access to to be able to process the data?

00:15:34.000 It's funny you would say that.

00:15:36.000 We actually do have access to several very high-powered computers.

00:15:42.000 And we do most of the work in Plano, Texas, and part of the work in the high-performance computing center on the campus of Starkville, Mississippi.

00:15:51.000 That's amazing.

00:15:52.000 So for example, just some guy on the side of the street, he gets, what, two petabytes of data?

00:15:57.000 How much is that, by the way?

00:15:59.000 Man, a petabyte, you know, back in the day, I mean, you know, 25 years ago would have fit in your room.

00:16:06.000 I mean, this, it would have fit in here.

00:16:07.000 Like a half an acre almost.

00:16:08.000 Yeah.

00:16:08.000 Or like a quarter of an acre.

00:16:09.000 Yeah, it would have been giant.

00:16:10.000 So I cut you off.

00:16:11.000 So talk about the January 6th thing.

00:16:13.000 So this is a lot of work.

00:16:15.000 Yeah.

00:16:15.000 So recall what happened.

00:16:17.000 So the January 6th event was on a Tuesday.

00:16:20.000 The day after the runoff.

00:16:21.000 So it was a Wednesday, I think.

00:16:22.000 A Wednesday, right.

00:16:23.000 Yeah.

00:16:24.000 So the next day, they had allegedly already identified some of the people, gotten the convened a grand jury, and then issued arrest warrants in a matter of 72 hours.

00:16:38.000 It's not possible.

00:16:38.000 So did they have the fence of the pings ready to go?

00:16:40.000 Is that what you're saying?

00:16:41.000 They had the actual devices ready to go.

00:16:44.000 That's our supposition.

00:16:45.000 There's no other way to have done it.

00:16:47.000 We believe they were tracking people all the way back into the latter part of the election, certainly into November and early December.

00:16:54.000 So people that would be likely to go to that event, or is that correct?

00:16:58.000 Okay, so they had a profile.

00:16:58.000 Yes.

00:16:59.000 People meeting that profile, and they're tuned up and ready.

00:17:03.000 But then probably the night before, they'd be able to say, hey, 200,000 of our profiles are in town.

00:17:07.000 Right.

00:17:08.000 Right?

00:17:08.000 So they'd be like, they're around.

00:17:10.000 We weren't wrong.

00:17:11.000 So then, but what you guys did is you said, okay, you can't buy the pings for the whole planet, right?

00:17:17.000 You have a budget.

00:17:18.000 So you guys went privately and raised money, is that right?

00:17:21.000 That's right.

00:17:21.000 Because this is expensive stuff.

00:17:22.000 Incredibly expensive.

00:17:23.000 So how expensive is it?

00:17:24.000 $2 million.

00:17:25.000 Yeah, a little over $2 million.

00:17:26.000 So that's expensive, but we're dealing with a Republican establishment that raises and spends $2 billion to go get some worthless person in Congress to go pass some corrupt bills. 0.91

00:17:38.000 So it's a lot, but it's not a lot, right?

00:17:40.000 Well, I mean, considering what we felt like the result may be, which is a lot for you guys.

00:17:44.000 It's a tremendous amount for us, but it's also, it was a total gamble because we were determined to let the data show what the data was going to show.

00:17:54.000 We had a working hypothesis that if in fact the weakness in the election was going to be around these drop boxes, that we should be able to geo-fence around the drop boxes and see aberrant data patterns.

00:18:04.000 If that's true, then we're on to something.

00:18:06.000 But if not, we just spent a whole lot of money on a bunch of data that's not going to amount to anything.

00:18:11.000 But the other thing we added, it wasn't at the last minute, but it was to sort of help us get our arms around the data.

00:18:20.000 We had been receiving information from witnesses, from like erstwhile whistleblowers, people that had been involved, people that knew somebody was involved.

00:18:29.000 And we were able to identify those organizations, those stash houses.

00:18:34.000 So not only were we able to look at the drop boxes where the people were going in and out of the Dropbox, sometimes over 50 times.

00:18:42.000 In Philadelphia, we had some people, quite a few people, that went over 100 times to the drop boxes.

00:18:48.000 But they were also going to the organizations, these are the.

00:18:51.000 So it was a hub and spokes model is what you started to see, right?

00:18:53.000 This was a hub, right?

00:18:55.000 To use the analogy, Chicago O'Hare or whatever, that's where everything branched out from.

00:19:00.000 Right.

00:19:01.000 And multiples of hubs.

00:19:02.000 So in Atlanta, we had 10.

00:19:05.000 So I want to get into that in a second, but just so that our audience understands, so you guys go, you had a hypothesis based on a good amount of, at the time, disconnected firsthand.

00:19:15.000 You guys had a hotline.

00:19:16.000 You're like, well, hold on a second.

00:19:18.000 Someone just called us from Milwaukee with an eerily same story from Detroit.

00:19:21.000 That's right.

00:19:21.000 With an eerily same story from Georgia, an eerily same story in Phoenix and Tucson.

00:19:25.000 And you guys think, wait a second, the only through line that we see here is the fact that Zuckerberg spent $430 million.

00:19:33.000 There were drop boxes.

00:19:34.000 There were ballots everywhere.

00:19:35.000 If I was a criminal, wouldn't I try to manipulate and use that?

00:19:40.000 So you said, how will we ever be able to prove it, right?

00:19:42.000 In fact, the fateful moment that I just turned to you and said, how do we take down a cartel?

00:19:48.000 And that's when we began to use the term stash houses and drop points and mules and trafficking and voter abuse because that's what we're looking at.

00:19:55.000 I mean, it is shocking and sickening at the same time when you talk to some of these folks and you realize that this is just part of this is just part of the normal cycle for the people that are participating in this.

00:20:10.000 It's been going on for so long.

00:20:11.000 It certainly had happened at a level never before seen in 2020.

00:20:15.000 Everything was just, you know, catalyzed for that race. 0.99

00:20:20.000 And the rest of the challenge we had was it's one thing to be able to prove that my phone's on that table.

00:20:26.000 It's a whole nother thing if that camera proves that I was sitting here.

00:20:29.000 And we're going to get to that because I want to build that out.

00:20:31.000 So then you guys buy the $2 million worth of data and you were open-minded to be wrong, right?

00:20:36.000 You're like, maybe these were just a bunch of people that were reading all the same internet blogs.

00:20:41.000 You got a little too excited.

00:20:43.000 I used to say grandma walking by the Dropbox with her dog or something.

00:20:47.000 Well, really, so you start to begin to, you know, all life sort of follows the bell curve, right?

00:20:51.000 So you start to think, okay, well, what is so outside the norm?

00:20:56.000 What is so aberrant that it would just stick out like a sore thumb in terms of a data set?

00:21:00.000 So what would that look like?

00:21:01.000 Would that be going to the Dropbox three times, going to the four times, five times, six times?

00:21:06.000 And we want it to have such clear margins, such clear lines that we finally settled out to groups that were going, you know, in Georgia an average of 23 times.

00:21:18.000 So distinctive.

00:21:19.000 And as Greg points out, they also had to go to the NGOs.

00:21:22.000 So they had to meet both those criteria for a certain number of times for us to really drill down.

00:21:26.000 It's a non-government organization, so like a nonprofit.

00:21:29.000 So like a Stacey Abrams group, for example, would potentially apply under the umbrella.

00:21:34.000 So you guys get the data, you get a connection to a supercomputer in Starkville, Mississippi, Mississippi State, if I know my college talent well enough, right?

00:21:43.000 Good call.

00:21:44.000 And, you know, you guys start to go to work 15 months, got a bunch of guys, you know, 16 hours a day, a lot of monster, a lot of Mountain Dew.

00:21:51.000 But then all of a sudden, you guys probably start to be like, well, hold on a second.

00:21:55.000 So what was the moment in the 15 months where you say, we got something here?

00:21:59.000 Oh, that happened early.

00:22:00.000 That was probably in March or April of 2021.

00:22:05.000 And we thought, you know what?

00:22:07.000 We only need to develop this to a certain point because certainly when we show this to the election officials or to law enforcement, they are going to jump into action.

00:22:15.000 We don't have the resources.

00:22:16.000 We can't offer immunity.

00:22:18.000 We can't, you know, there's certain limitations.

00:22:20.000 So certainly if we lay this out, that will be all it takes.

00:22:24.000 And we spent the following six, seven months really being led on wild goose chases with no action.

00:22:31.000 We learned a lot along the way.

00:22:33.000 And I guess the most salient thing we learned is that we're going to have to do it ourselves.

00:22:36.000 You wanted to trust law enforcement.

00:22:38.000 The law enforcement's corrupt to the core.

00:22:40.000 Unfortunately, I still hope they act.

00:22:41.000 I think there's some good people in there, but there's a lot of bad people at the top.

00:22:44.000 So you guys go through this process and you start to see that almost identical ballot trafficking mule operations.

00:22:52.000 I think that's your term, right?

00:22:54.000 Is that the right word?

00:22:54.000 Ballot trafficking.

00:22:55.000 Exactly right.

00:22:56.000 In these cities were happening.

00:22:58.000 So then you guys say, okay, we got to aggregate this.

00:23:01.000 We got to put this together.

00:23:02.000 All the while you're being sued by every organization on the planet.

00:23:05.000 Is that correct?

00:23:06.000 Stacey Abrams, Mark Elias, the whole thing.

00:23:08.000 You got all the right friends or enemies.

00:23:10.000 Well, you got the right friends and the right enemies.

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00:24:10.000 And so I want to play one of these videos here and we can watch this together.

00:24:14.000 And Greg, which one would you like us to play?

00:24:17.000 Is that Gwinnett County, Georgia?

00:24:19.000 Let's play Gwinnett County.

00:24:20.000 So, actually, before we play the video, I want to let's get into actually how you got the video because I'm actually cutting in line here.

00:24:26.000 Well, so in addition to all of the analysis that was happening, we were doing a wide sweep of all kinds of election integrity records or open records.

00:24:36.000 Video was part of that.

00:24:38.000 The federal government had come out and given guidance for all of these new drop boxes, saying that their recommendation is that in addition to a number of sort of checkpoints, video surveillance should be among them.

00:24:49.000 And so we began to submit open records to get the video.

00:24:53.000 And these videos are a product of ultimately what came back.

00:24:56.000 Although, what's interesting about what you're going to watch now is that we didn't get this until last month.

00:25:03.000 Yeah, I mean, since the first open records requests went out in probably January, and we've been fighting.

00:25:10.000 So, by law in Georgia, they had to have a camera over the ballot drop box.

00:25:13.000 Is that correct?

00:25:14.000 By rule.

00:25:15.000 By rule.

00:25:16.000 Because remember, they made up the emergency rules that allowed the drop boxes to be there at all.

00:25:23.000 So they had to have rules to go with them.

00:25:25.000 So when Raffisberger came in and signed a consent decree with Mark Elias to allow these things to happen, they had to codify some rules internally.

00:25:35.000 So the rules said you have to have these cameras, surveillance cameras on the drop boxes.

00:25:43.000 And we almost immediately started, as soon as we started asking, they started, well, we don't have it.

00:25:48.000 We can't give you an example or a reason why we don't have it.

00:25:51.000 We just don't have it.

00:25:52.000 It'll take six months to get it.

00:25:53.000 It'll be including the video you're about to see.

00:25:56.000 It took a year to produce this video, and the only reason they produced it at all is because Catherine and True de Vaux made a complaint to the Secretary of State, which would have been put in place a mechanism for them to get in a lot of trouble.

00:26:09.000 Lo and behold, the next day, I think, all of a sudden, the video is going to be.

00:26:12.000 Now, this is Gwinnett County.

00:26:13.000 So, before we play the video, though, you also suspected that that time place on the video would show you something because you had pings that showed that this individual was doing a route.

00:26:24.000 Is that correct?

00:26:25.000 And in addition to our open records efforts, we had evaluated all of the chain of custody documents.

00:26:31.000 And so, you could tell at this particular location what a typical day looked like, how many ballots they were typically getting, and then a spike.

00:26:39.000 And ballot trafficking by and large.

00:26:41.000 That's why money laundering works. 0.99

00:26:43.000 100%.

00:26:44.000 When you see the cafe that has the $9,000 breakfast, you're like, wait a second.

00:26:48.000 Yeah.

00:26:49.000 Any auditor worked, like, why did you have a big there was no one in the restaurant?

00:26:53.000 Right, right.

00:26:53.000 There's also no one looking, though, Charlie.

00:26:56.000 There's no one looking.

00:26:57.000 They produced these documents.

00:26:59.000 They didn't care.

00:26:59.000 I just want to make a side point here, and I want to ask a question: Is it true that our elections are generally unsupervised by law enforcement?

00:27:05.000 It sure seems that way.

00:27:08.000 Well, we have our own opinions about that.

00:27:11.000 It seems to me that whether it's law enforcement or anyone responsible for a process that might deliver a free, fair, and legal election, it's just not happening.

00:27:23.000 So, whether it's a supervisor of the process or law enforcement in general, they need to do that.

00:27:30.000 What we've since learned is that there were off-duty law enforcement officers that were paid for by the Republican Party that reported all of this and it was covered up.

00:27:41.000 Who'd they report it to?

00:27:42.000 The NRSC.

00:27:43.000 The National Republican Senatorial Committee.

00:27:46.000 Yes.

00:27:47.000 Okay, let's watch this video here.

00:27:49.000 This is Gwinnett County.

00:27:50.000 Is that right?

00:27:51.000 Yes.

00:27:52.000 Okay.

00:27:53.000 And we can talk over the videos that's happening because there's no sound.

00:27:55.000 Okay, so a white SUV pulls up middle of the day.

00:27:58.000 What are we looking at here, guys?

00:27:59.000 You're going to see a voter get out, or a mule get out.

00:28:05.000 So this is a mule.

00:28:05.000 This is one of your 2,000 that you've profiled?

00:28:08.000 And they've got their ballots, and they walk up to the box.

00:28:12.000 You can only fit a couple of ballots in at the same time.

00:28:14.000 Is this the state of Georgia?

00:28:15.000 Yeah.

00:28:15.000 So you're not allowed to turn in more than one, unless it's for a close relative?

00:28:18.000 That's correct.

00:28:19.000 And he's trying to figure out how to even get them into the box because he has so many he can't fit them in the little slot.

00:28:25.000 So then he starts having to put them in one by one.

00:28:27.000 Everybody's sitting there waiting on him.

00:28:30.000 Now this is illegal.

00:28:31.000 Highly illegal to do this. 0.99

00:28:31.000 Silly? 0.99

00:28:31.000 Right. 0.99

00:28:33.000 Everyone passed that first one was illegal.

00:28:36.000 Well, there is a possible in that he could have been an assistor, which would have meant he would have had a signed envelope that would have indicated that he was an assistor in that capacity.

00:28:48.000 But through our open records, we confirmed that Gwinnett County had no assistors.

00:28:52.000 So we tried to kick over everybody.

00:28:55.000 So that would have been the Washington Post.

00:28:57.000 Hey.

00:28:57.000 Oh, would have been an assistor.

00:28:58.000 You'll ultimately look at it.

00:29:00.000 So here's what we know in Gwinnett County on October the 11th from 7.30 in the morning to October 12th, a Monday morning at 7.30 or so, when they picked up the ballots.

00:29:12.000 Because of the pings, we knew that approximately 270 people went to this ballot box.

00:29:18.000 But according to the custody document, 1,962 ballots were actually deposited.

00:29:28.000 Then all of a sudden the video shows up, and now we get to go in and corroborate it.

00:29:32.000 So we sit there and we watch 24 hours of video.

00:29:35.000 Sure enough, 271 people approach that ballot box.

00:29:39.000 And like I said, 1,962 ballots show up on the video.

00:29:43.000 But if you watch the video, did you see people carrying more than sure?

00:29:46.000 But not 1,962 ballots.

00:29:48.000 Where would the discrepancy in that be then?

00:29:50.000 We don't know.

00:29:52.000 There's so many breakdowns of the process.

00:29:55.000 I'm going to tell you that story.

00:29:56.000 Well, there is a video at the end that might tell part of it.

00:30:01.000 At the end of this day, there's an interesting intersection between there are two people that are charged with going and taking the ballots out of the ballot box and putting them into bags and then taking them wherever they're going.

00:30:14.000 Those are the ones who fill out the chain of custody docs.

00:30:19.000 But on this particular day, on this Monday morning, another person comes out from underneath the camera, walks toward the two that are there, and instead of having it in a having the ballots in a blue cooler and blue cooler, which is kind of their norm, they had 1,962 ballots in two black duffel bags.

00:30:42.000 The person whom we don't know who it is comes up, takes the two black duffel bags, and walks away.

00:30:48.000 And gives them a cooler.

00:30:49.000 But who's supervising this?

00:30:51.000 The Secretary of State of Georgia, I guess, is supposed to be, right?

00:30:54.000 Well, one thing we often laughed about was, you know, just unpacking these videos was a challenge in and of itself.

00:31:02.000 And one thing we often laughed about was that it was clear to us nobody was ever intended to look at these videos.

00:31:08.000 True.

00:31:09.000 You know, not to make this even worse, but for all the heat that Raffesberger has received, he actually has been helpful to us in this way.

00:31:21.000 All of the politicians, all the media, everyone were saying, you have to go to the governor's office.

00:31:28.000 You have to go to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

00:31:30.000 And we had our own dust up with them, which is a whole nother topic.

00:31:34.000 But once we finally learned, and Raffesberger's team helped us figure out, the process is you have to make a complaint to the Secretary of State.

00:31:43.000 The Secretary of State investigates it, takes it to the State Board of Elections.

00:31:48.000 They take it to the Attorney General and then back again.

00:31:50.000 That's the way it's supposed to work.

00:31:52.000 But no one told us that.

00:31:53.000 So for 11 months, we labored under this illusion that everybody was saying, you've got to go to the governor.

00:31:59.000 You've got to go to the...

00:32:01.000 And that arm allowed that time to run out.

00:32:04.000 Right.

00:32:05.000 So then I want to play another video here, but you've got all these cell phone pings.

00:32:10.000 You start to see these mule operations.

00:32:13.000 You're starting to see the video.

00:32:14.000 And then you can't help yourself, but start running numbers.

00:32:17.000 And you're thinking to yourself, wait a second, this is not just like a one-off thing.

00:32:20.000 This is not some kind of Democrat activist that really wanted Trump gone that, you know, might have had a couple friends do this.

00:32:27.000 This was a machine, is that right?

00:32:28.000 Absolutely.

00:32:29.000 And you could see different characteristics among the different groups of mules.

00:32:33.000 You had certain groups of mules that tended to take pictures of the Dropbox after they dropped their ballots.

00:32:40.000 That's sort of one style.

00:32:41.000 Then you saw another style where people always wore gloves.

00:32:46.000 Or they, as they would come up with their stack full of ballots, they would pull their shirt down over their hand to put the ballots in.

00:32:51.000 And you saw multiple people with the same behavior.

00:32:54.000 Absolutely.

00:32:55.000 Absolutely.

00:32:56.000 Okay, let's play.

00:32:57.000 Is this video okay to play?

00:32:58.000 This one right here?

00:33:00.000 All right, let's play this video and let's watch it together.

00:33:02.000 So is this also, it looks like it's the same drop box, same Gwinnett County, right?

00:33:06.000 This happens, one of the interesting points about that is this particular Dropbox, the reason we picked these is because it is very clear.

00:33:06.000 Yeah.

00:33:13.000 Some of them are fuzzy, right?

00:33:15.000 Some of them are.

00:33:16.000 So what time is this one?

00:33:18.000 This looks like at night.

00:33:19.000 You can see it in the timeline there on the bottom.

00:33:19.000 Is that right?

00:33:22.000 Yeah.

00:33:22.000 I think it's a little bit of a single.

00:33:23.000 It's the same basic.

00:33:24.000 He's got multiple ones, right?

00:33:26.000 He does.

00:33:26.000 And he's one of our mules, too, by the way.

00:33:28.000 He's a mule.

00:33:29.000 No gloves.

00:33:30.000 Put them in.

00:33:30.000 No glass.

00:33:31.000 Okay, that's at least 10.

00:33:33.000 Absolutely.

00:33:34.000 So it's illegal to do this?

00:33:36.000 Yes.

00:33:36.000 Now, this is the same location where someone else also pulled up with the White Ford Explorer.

00:33:36.000 Right?

00:33:41.000 Same day?

00:33:42.000 This is one box on one day.

00:33:44.000 Same day.

00:33:45.000 Same day.

00:33:46.000 Okay, so let me ask the obvious question where, you know, a skeptic would say, hold on a second.

00:33:50.000 Where did they get the ballots from?

00:33:50.000 Okay.

00:33:52.000 And who's to say they're just for the Democrats? 1.00

00:33:54.000 I mean, come on, Republicans are terrible people. 0.86

00:33:56.000 Wouldn't they be the ones doing this? 0.87

00:33:59.000 Well, we'll never know.

00:34:00.000 We do have secret ballots here, number one.

00:34:03.000 Number two, where the ballots actually came from when they decided to sign this consent decree that pushed Raffisburger to send out ballot applications to both active and inactive voters.

00:34:20.000 That's where the fuzz came in, right?

00:34:22.000 So like I used to live in Georgia, and when I left, my name remained on the rolls for a while.

00:34:28.000 So if I haven't voted for five, six, seven years, and all of a sudden there's a ballot application that shows up, these guys go get it, fill it out, get a ballot application in my name.

00:34:38.000 I live in Texas now.

00:34:39.000 How would I know?

00:34:40.000 Right?

00:34:41.000 Now, Catherine, you said this is where the tainted voter rolls came in. 0.98

00:34:45.000 Right.

00:34:46.000 And interestingly, in Georgia, while we were doing this project, we had also assisted with finding volunteers in all counties across Georgia to file a historic number of elector challenges.

00:34:59.000 So 362,000, 364,000, 364,000 elector challenges because their rolls hadn't been cleaned in two years.

00:35:07.000 And so we knew that they're going to get the mail-in ballots.

00:35:11.000 There's no way of tracking these loosely.

00:35:15.000 So we filed these elector challenges.

00:35:18.000 To illustrate just one way that those bad rolls can creep into this process, we now know that ineligible voter records contributed to 75,000 of the votes in the general and 45,000 of the votes in the runoff.

00:35:36.000 That would have changed.

00:35:37.000 It's important to remember that the runoff would have only been one race, Leffler versus Warnock, because Purdue would have only been 3,000 or 4,000 vote differential that prevented the runoff.

00:35:49.000 It's right on the cusp.

00:35:51.000 So this is high-stakes stuff.

00:35:53.000 So to kind of drill down the point, though, ballots went everywhere, 248,000 ballots in 2018, and then we went to 1.2 million.

00:36:01.000 We're just talking about Georgia, right?

00:36:02.000 Georgia is a good take-case study for this. 0.93

00:36:06.000 You have that kind of increase of ballots.

00:36:08.000 Basically, your hypothesis proven by the cell phone pings in the video is that the ballots were everywhere, and then therefore someone went on an operation to go scoop up the ballots, collect ballots, pay for ballots, and then redistribute those ballots through a ballot laundering scheme.

00:36:24.000 Is that the hypothesis?

00:36:25.000 Absolutely.

00:36:26.000 But the way that the ballots were collected becomes sort of this multi-tentacled hydra.

00:36:32.000 We have pings that show people going to UPS stores at midnight and then going straight from there to the nonprofit organizations.

00:36:40.000 We have stories from around the country of people that live in underprivileged housing communities.

00:36:49.000 And it's just sort of pay-for-play there.

00:36:51.000 That's one of the things that we're doing.

00:36:52.000 That's well known in folklore of Section 8 housing.

00:36:55.000 But it's proven to be true.

00:36:57.000 It's proving to be true. 0.91

00:36:58.000 And so, you know, there's all manner of ways that those ballots came.

00:37:02.000 But I think the important takeaway is that dirty voter rolls allow for a big portion of this credit.

00:37:08.000 And then just the lack of general awareness in the populace that this is illegal.

00:37:14.000 This is not business education.

00:37:15.000 Yeah, I want to replay one of these videos, Greg.

00:37:17.000 I want to just reinforce a point for myself personally, for everyone watching, which is you're seeing a felony take place in real time here.

00:37:23.000 That's right.

00:37:24.000 And so to the best of our knowledge, has this person been arrested?

00:37:28.000 No.

00:37:28.000 Has this person been asked questions?

00:37:30.000 You don't know that part, and there might be an active investigation.

00:37:33.000 Probably not.

00:37:34.000 Secretary Raffisberger, shortly after Catherine's team filed the complaint, Secretary Raffsberger went on Fox, I think, or somewhere and said that, yes, we believe this is credible evidence for an investigation, and we believe they are looking into it.

00:37:50.000 But the investigation's fine.

00:37:52.000 That was in November you guys filed the complaint, right?

00:37:54.000 We're now four or five months later.

00:37:58.000 We got the video of the murder, right?

00:38:00.000 That's a crime.

00:38:01.000 You can't do that unless you're in a CIS store, right? 1.00

00:38:04.000 Which you say there were none for that particular area or county, then that person, why has that person not yet been indicted?

00:38:10.000 These are the questions you guys are going to get a lot, by the way.

00:38:12.000 Oh, yeah.

00:38:13.000 Sure.

00:38:14.000 Well, we certainly hope that that will happen.

00:38:18.000 The reality is that there are, I think we have 4 million minutes of surveillance video.

00:38:26.000 4 million minutes.

00:38:27.000 And it takes a while to go through it, number one.

00:38:29.000 Because the government isn't doing it.

00:38:30.000 No.

00:38:33.000 The setup of the surveillance video is such that it has to be attached to the player that is unique to that particular camera.

00:38:42.000 And so actually getting it out so that you could even look at it, those are MP4s, but just getting it to the MP4 point.

00:38:48.000 That's an incredible accomplishment.

00:38:49.000 It's just, it's ridiculous.

00:38:52.000 You know, John David and some of the other people on our team have just spent, I mean, hundreds and hundreds, thousands of hours pouring through this video.

00:39:00.000 And it can be tedious.

00:39:02.000 And, you know, the idea that maybe there's a government person somewhere doing that.

00:39:05.000 Not going to happen.

00:39:06.000 Not going to happen.

00:39:07.000 No.

00:39:07.000 So, but they did do it probably for January 6th or something similar to that, right?

00:39:12.000 So they did it quick.

00:39:13.000 Yeah, and they did it really quick, which really remarkably quickly makes you think, right?

00:39:16.000 So this starts, this pattern happens.

00:39:20.000 So it goes up to Election Day.

00:39:22.000 And this is where I really want to get people fired up.

00:39:25.000 Because Election Day happens.

00:39:27.000 We were warning against the mail-in balloting.

00:39:29.000 Arizona, Arizona, Georgia, Philadelphia, mostly Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan.

00:39:36.000 Let's take pause.

00:39:37.000 How many mules?

00:39:38.000 How many ballots just up into the first election?

00:39:42.000 Then I want to talk about the runoff because I think that's a really interesting wrinkle in this too.

00:39:47.000 Well, how many mules?

00:39:49.000 I mean, come on, that's going to be the counter argument.

00:39:49.000 How many ballots?

00:39:51.000 2,000 plus mules, hence the 2,000-mule movie.

00:39:55.000 And the number that sort of held true across all the states, about 7% of their volume of mail-in ballots.

00:40:02.000 So I'm going to ask an obvious question that I wanted to ask later, but I have to ask now.

00:40:07.000 Who's running this?

00:40:09.000 Who's the one that's, what's your suspicion?

00:40:11.000 There's got to be some money.

00:40:12.000 There's got to be something behind this, right?

00:40:15.000 Our current hypothesis, and we still have some work to do on this point, and Catherine describes it, I think, aptly, that there are sort of new money kind of folks like the Stacey Abrams of the world, who all of a sudden show up in Maricopa County after the election, you know, arm in arm with the SEIU and others, them thanking her for helping the state.

00:40:35.000 Well, how did you help win, right?

00:40:37.000 That would be one question, right?

00:40:39.000 The second piece of this is there's old money ties to this and to some foundations that started in Chicago back some 80 years ago.

00:40:49.000 In the 60s.

00:40:50.000 So there's two, there's sort of, in our observation, there's sort of two levels of play here, but they work very handily together.

00:40:59.000 And you have to remember, you don't need a whole lot of fraud.

00:41:01.000 You just need it in the right places.

00:41:03.000 And so when you have an organized effort, it can be so much chaos, so much confusion inserted intentionally into the process.

00:41:12.000 It's not a hard leap.

00:41:14.000 We internally call it the thousand front war because it's everywhere.

00:41:18.000 It's a little bit here, a little bit in San Luis.

00:41:20.000 But you're saying that there's a foundation, a 501c3, that was potentially funding some of this activity?

00:41:26.000 Yes.

00:41:28.000 Many.

00:41:31.000 That would be illegal.

00:41:32.000 That would be illegal.

00:41:34.000 Okay, let's go to another video here.

00:41:35.000 This one here.

00:41:36.000 Is that okay to play?

00:41:37.000 Sure.

00:41:37.000 So what are we looking at here as we pull this up?

00:41:37.000 Okay.

00:41:39.000 Same basic thing.

00:41:42.000 It looks like the same drop box.

00:41:43.000 Everybody, look at all those people doing the right thing.

00:41:45.000 Waiting for them.

00:41:46.000 So they're waiting to vote early.

00:41:47.000 They're going to vote in law.

00:41:48.000 So this is a maroon dress woman, or is this somebody else? 0.73

00:41:48.000 Right. 0.73

00:41:52.000 Is that your mule?

00:41:52.000 Yeah, I know that's.

00:41:53.000 That's our.

00:41:54.000 So this is a mule in front of everyone.

00:41:56.000 Okay.

00:41:57.000 Look, everybody's sitting there watching, like, what?

00:41:58.000 So this is right now as she opens it up.

00:42:03.000 Can't figure out how to open up because they won't fit.

00:42:05.000 Right.

00:42:06.000 Felony at what point?

00:42:08.000 After the first air.

00:42:10.000 So this is a felon.

00:42:10.000 Now it's a felony.

00:42:11.000 Three felons at one drop box, everybody.

00:42:14.000 I want you to think about that.

00:42:16.000 One after the other.

00:42:17.000 In the broad daylight.

00:42:18.000 I mean, now you could also get drivers, you know, license plate info and stuff, right?

00:42:23.000 Yes.

00:42:24.000 So she in broad daylight, while everyone else was watching, just violated Georgia law.

00:42:28.000 Right. 0.99

00:42:29.000 So let me ask us a really dumb question. 0.96

00:42:31.000 You know, Rothensberger kept all these people. 0.96

00:42:33.000 Why didn't they have someone just parked right next to the drop box?

00:42:36.000 Oh, you only get to put in one.

00:42:37.000 That would have been a pretty simple way to fix this.

00:42:39.000 I mean, that's just top, you know, that's a simple way to do it.

00:42:43.000 Well, my view of that would be: why the hell do you have the drop boxes anyway?

00:42:47.000 Because all you got to do is stand in line with everybody else in the world.

00:42:50.000 We're dealing with the Republican Party here, right?

00:42:51.000 They're the Vichy French. 0.99

00:42:53.000 Exactly.

00:42:54.000 But so those are three felonies we just saw on camera.

00:42:59.000 And we have 4 million minutes worth of video.

00:43:02.000 So what state was the worst offender?

00:43:05.000 Pennsylvania.

00:43:06.000 Is that worst proportionally or just worst in every way?

00:43:06.000 Philadelphia.

00:43:10.000 Every way.

00:43:10.000 Everywhere.

00:43:11.000 Every sense of it.

00:43:12.000 Tell me why.

00:43:13.000 1,155 people met our criteria of 10 or more drop boxes and five or more organizations.

00:43:23.000 1,155?

00:43:25.000 In Philadelphia.

00:43:26.000 So let's pretend half, you're off by half.

00:43:29.000 That would be insane.

00:43:30.000 Yeah.

00:43:31.000 600 would be.

00:43:32.000 Right.

00:43:33.000 What's even more insane is watching the data, watching the pings come across the bridge in New Jersey and into Philly.

00:43:41.000 Across state lines?

00:43:42.000 Yeah.

00:43:42.000 Sure.

00:43:43.000 They did that against Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:43:46.000 You should go to jail for even suggesting it.

00:43:48.000 So Philadelphia was the worst, 23 ballots on average per mule.

00:43:55.000 Is that right?

00:43:56.000 It varied state to state, but we always tried to, again, to meet our criteria, it had to be 23 or more.

00:44:04.000 I mean, in Yuma County, the number was 31.

00:44:08.000 Just because we had to get to this data set of number of drop boxes and number of organizations so that we could study the sample set.

00:44:16.000 Yeah, we're not in any way saying this is all there is.

00:44:18.000 No, this is just as well.

00:44:19.000 We're just saying we cut it off here because running these cycles, when you have two petabytes of data, it takes a lot of processing power, so you've got to skinny it down somehow.

00:44:28.000 And we just sort of arbitrarily said, okay, we'll stop at 10.

00:44:31.000 Yeah, we could.

00:44:32.000 What about all the nines and the sevens and the sixes?

00:44:35.000 Or people that didn't use drop boxes and they went to mailboxes.

00:44:35.000 Right.

00:44:38.000 We didn't measure that.

00:44:40.000 It was too big.

00:44:41.000 This is the ice cream.

00:44:42.000 Was it enough to swing an election?

00:44:44.000 Yes.

00:44:46.000 Walk us through the numbers.

00:44:48.000 Well, Dinesh, and in the movie, they do a really good job of this, and they do it in two separate ways.

00:44:56.000 You want to kind of get into that?

00:44:58.000 Or do you want to wait for the movie to kind of roll?

00:45:00.000 Well, I mean, I think that the takeaway is, I think, when we look at what we know to be true in all the states, the number of organizations, the number of mules, everything in combination, what we've gotten in testimony from how much people were being paid and so forth, the number breaks out to about 7% of the mail-in ballots, and that holds state to state.

00:45:23.000 Now, you're going to have some states that have less, but some states that are overperformers in that same way.

00:45:29.000 And if you look at that, just as a quick sort of back of the napkin, it's 4.8 million votes.

00:45:35.000 Nationwide.

00:45:36.000 4.8 million votes.

00:45:38.000 Just in our target states.

00:45:39.000 Just from what we know.

00:45:41.000 Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin.

00:45:43.000 Right.

00:45:43.000 That many votes were trafficked?

00:45:46.000 Or is that correct?

00:45:47.000 Yes.

00:45:51.000 That's a serious operation.

00:45:52.000 Yeah.

00:45:53.000 Well, I mean, it's everywhere.

00:45:55.000 It's everywhere.

00:45:56.000 Every one of these communities that's receiving money from these foundations that are doing this, they're all doing it.

00:46:03.000 It's slightly different grift, but it's all the same thing.

00:46:06.000 And who's stopping them?

00:46:06.000 I mean, this is, the one word I think that characterizes best 2020 is lawless.

00:46:13.000 Lawless.

00:46:13.000 I'll give you an example.

00:46:14.000 I'll give you an example, Charlie.

00:46:15.000 This is hot off the press.

00:46:16.000 We learned this while we were at lunch before we came here to see you today.

00:46:22.000 The file that those videos came from came on a big disc.

00:46:26.000 And in that disc, it looked to us like there were several sort of blank, just empty folder files.

00:46:34.000 But we couldn't open them.

00:46:35.000 It felt, I mean, we just didn't really fiddle with it because we were interested to get to that.

00:46:41.000 What we learned was in kind of backing into this disc, is that was the camera from the 14 cameras inside the counting facilities at Gwinnett County from inside.

00:46:53.000 So we have the outside, but now we have...

00:46:56.000 But what's happening inside?

00:46:58.000 We don't know yet.

00:46:59.000 Just correct?

00:46:59.000 Just found them.

00:47:00.000 Just correct.

00:47:01.000 That's a whole different part of it.

00:47:02.000 That's right.

00:47:03.000 The counting of it is a whole different layer.

00:47:05.000 That's right.

00:47:06.000 So I want to now get to part two with Georgia.

00:47:09.000 Yes.

00:47:10.000 Which I think is interesting.

00:47:10.000 Right?

00:47:11.000 And I don't know if this is going to get as much attention because everyone's focused on Trump, and that's great.

00:47:16.000 We love Trump, and this was stolen from him.

00:47:19.000 But also, the Republican Senate's a big deal.

00:47:21.000 We're about to get another Supreme Court justice, right?

00:47:24.000 A lot of this nonsense is being pushed forward.

00:47:26.000 And it went through Georgia with John Ossif and with Raphael Warnock and Kelly Loffler and David Perdue.

00:47:33.000 So I mentioned briefly that if it wasn't for this ballot trafficking operation, it's easy to say David Perdue would have avoided a runoff.

00:47:40.000 Absolutely.

00:47:41.000 But there was a runoff. 0.83

00:47:42.000 And so there was a whole, there was a month, two months of November and December.

00:47:46.000 What's happening in those two months?

00:47:48.000 Well, interesting as it relates to the pings, one of the things that we did in our buy at Catherine's suggestion was: let's buy September before it started.

00:47:58.000 Let's buy October while they were voting.

00:48:00.000 But let's buy November when nothing should have been happening at the ballot boxes.

00:48:04.000 And then let's buy December.

00:48:06.000 What a great control variable in November, right?

00:48:07.000 That's right.

00:48:08.000 Because the patterns is.

00:48:09.000 And you see it do exactly.

00:48:10.000 Right.

00:48:11.000 So they weren't going to drop boxes in November until ballots got sent out in early December.

00:48:15.000 And then you'll find this interesting.

00:48:16.000 Two of the mules here in Arizona made their way to Georgia.

00:48:20.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:48:20.000 Yes. 0.87

00:48:22.000 Pings don't lie.

00:48:23.000 Okay, so let's talk about Georgia.

00:48:25.000 So how many people were also, was it almost an identical carbon copy from October to December?

00:48:31.000 They used the same people?

00:48:33.000 I think the 80-20 rule kind of held.

00:48:35.000 You had your top performers that played in both, and then you had new people.

00:48:41.000 Sorry, go ahead, Greg.

00:48:41.000 No, I was just going to say we've recently come into some additional information that shows that we show some of the people that participated in the runoff, participated in the general, but we went all the way back to 2018 with some information and found that they did the exact same thing in 2018.

00:49:02.000 And they might have done it in 2012 and 2008 or whatever.

00:49:04.000 So let me ask you, though, give me a profile of what a mule is.

00:49:07.000 Who is this person?

00:49:08.000 Teacher, plumber, criminal, former con.

00:49:11.000 I'm asking you to stereotype.

00:49:12.000 This is important.

00:49:13.000 People are going to say, come on, I don't believe that anyone would actually do that.

00:49:16.000 It's a mixed bag.

00:49:19.000 We had some incidents where there's a place in Atlanta called the Bluff.

00:49:23.000 It's one of the heaviest, I guess, heroin trafficking places in the United States.

00:49:29.000 It's very dangerous, one of the top five most dangerous places in the United States.

00:49:34.000 Is it like a park or is it a building?

00:49:36.000 Yeah, it's a park.

00:49:37.000 No.

00:49:39.000 It's like a four-square-block area.

00:49:41.000 Okay, so it's like a neighborhood.

00:49:43.000 Except it's just like a crack neighborhood, like that.

00:49:43.000 Sort of.

00:49:47.000 Think of a four-square-block neighborhood where everyone and all of their friends were all on heroin in the street.

00:49:54.000 And it was wild.

00:49:56.000 And so we went down and interviewed a couple people down there and had some interesting intersections with some folks, me and a couple of my guys.

00:50:05.000 We went to that same night, actually, we went to a place called 201 Washington Street, which is an advocacy center attached to a church right across the street from the Capitol.

00:50:15.000 Is it Black Area? 0.81

00:50:17.000 It's just downtown Atlanta.

00:50:18.000 So, yeah, it's, I mean, I guess mostly Black.

00:50:21.000 I really don't know.

00:50:22.000 And so what we wanted to do then, though, was we wanted to go from 201 Washington Street to Auburn Avenue Library, which is about a nine-minute walk away, according to our pings, because we had people going from Auburn Avenue to the library's where the drop box was.

00:50:41.000 Right.

00:50:42.000 And then back again, and then to the Fulton County Government Center, which was another five minutes the other way.

00:50:48.000 So we went up there in the middle of the night, just like they were doing, and just walked it.

00:50:52.000 And sure enough, nine minutes and then five minutes the other way.

00:50:56.000 It's crazy.

00:50:57.000 So, I mean, there's a lot of that going on.

00:50:59.000 But there's also people that came in.

00:51:00.000 There's a bartender who came in from South Carolina to help.

00:51:05.000 As Catherine said, there's a couple of.

00:51:07.000 Unindicted, obviously.

00:51:08.000 Yeah, of course.

00:51:08.000 But you know where they are.

00:51:09.000 Yeah.

00:51:10.000 And then in Arizona, the profile looked a little bit different because it's been happening.

00:51:18.000 It's been happening in Arizona for an awfully long time.

00:51:21.000 And what we see there are people that really control communities.

00:51:25.000 And you have people that are atop of the pyramid that are coming in and doing everything from building underprivileged housing to controlling the full vertical of the contractors and the banks and the financing organizations.

00:51:38.000 And all of those people are participating in rounding up ballots.

00:51:42.000 And we have, as people that go to see the movie will soon learn, we have informants who've come forward to describe exactly what happens.

00:51:50.000 And it's just a day in the life.

00:51:54.000 It's just what you do in those communities.

00:51:55.000 And these collectors and these mules are making between $10 and $40 a ballot here in Arizona, according to the testimony that we have.

00:52:05.000 And that's a lot of money.

00:52:06.000 Tally all that up.

00:52:08.000 Somebody's making some bank.

00:52:10.000 And one of the most chilling things, I think, in this entire journey for me has been when we interviewed two people who were very familiar with the grift here in Arizona.

00:52:22.000 One of them, just from observation, and she just at one point just sat back in her chair and just put her finger up.

00:52:30.000 She said, round and round it goes.

00:52:32.000 Nobody ever listens.

00:52:34.000 Nothing ever changes.

00:52:35.000 And so we hope to, you know, we hope to help push this over the edge in a way that people can wake up and realize what's happening to our elections.

00:52:42.000 Here's a tape here of Brian Kemp.

00:52:44.000 This ad is on television in Georgia because he said there were no problems.

00:52:47.000 He said everything was great.

00:52:49.000 And I want to play this tape here.

00:52:51.000 Brian Kemp is now getting a challenge from someone who should still be a U.S. Senator, David Perdue.

00:52:55.000 Let's play this here.

00:52:56.000 We'll listen to it.

00:52:58.000 I led the fight to aggressively investigate all allegations of voter fraud.

00:53:02.000 So let me pause it.

00:53:04.000 Did he lead a fight to aggressively investigate voter fraud?

00:53:07.000 He led a fight, all right, against us.

00:53:10.000 Yeah.

00:53:11.000 I briefed Kemp's team.

00:53:13.000 I personally briefed Kemp's team.

00:53:15.000 But they wouldn't be bothered by felonies on camera.

00:53:18.000 Well, they not only refused, but what they did was they sent one of their henchmen, the guy that runs the GBI, down to the FBI office where our data lived, not to see the data, but to get into the metadata and figure out who the analysts were and then burn me and a couple of my analysts.

00:53:35.000 Releasing it all to the press.

00:53:35.000 And the KJC.

00:53:37.000 Releasing it all to the press, as opposed to just thinking through what we have now.

00:53:43.000 They did everything they could to stop us.

00:53:45.000 I wonder why.

00:53:47.000 Yeah.

00:53:48.000 The truth is, Kemp dismissed concerns about voter fraud in the 2020 election.

00:53:52.000 As governor, you could call for a special assembly.

00:53:55.000 You have not done that.

00:53:57.000 Kemp refused to call a special session before the runoff and the widespread illegal ballot harvesting continued electing two Democrat senators.

00:54:05.000 If Kemp can't beat voter fraud, he won't beat Stacey Abrams.

00:54:09.000 Get Georgia Wright is responsible for the content and this advertising.

00:54:12.000 I'm going to emphasize that last video there, which I know is also in the movie.

00:54:16.000 So what were we seeing in this video, guys?

00:54:19.000 This is a movie a little bit.

00:54:21.000 And this is in Fulton County.

00:54:23.000 She's approaching the box.

00:54:25.000 And this is in the runoff.

00:54:27.000 This is on January 5th at about 1 in the morning.

00:54:29.000 This is on Election Day.

00:54:31.000 Right.

00:54:32.000 When most of our mules apparently vote.

00:54:34.000 And she approaches, as you see her walk up to the box, she never looks at the trash can to her left.

00:54:40.000 And that's relevant because she goes up, she puts the ballots in the box, and then turns around, starts taking off her gloves, and puts them in a trash can that she never looked at.

00:54:48.000 Meaning, she knew the trash can was there.

00:54:50.000 She didn't want fingerprints on the ballot.

00:54:52.000 Why is that significant?

00:54:54.000 Because in Arizona, several days before this, in San Luis, there were some indictments brought, and part of the indictment was brought because they were able to lift fingerprints from the ballots.

00:55:07.000 So she comes in with latex gloves, comes there, and drops them off.

00:55:11.000 How many of your videos show mules taking pictures of the ballots?

00:55:15.000 100,000.

00:55:16.000 What's the significance of that?

00:55:20.000 We understand that that's how they got paid.

00:55:23.000 Because criminals don't trust criminals.

00:55:25.000 They were taking pictures of how many.

00:55:28.000 In fact, in some of our videos, when people forget to do that, if they're part of the group that was supposed to take those pictures, if they forget, you can just see them, just their whole countenance changes and they'll trudge back to the Dropbox and reluctantly take pictures because they've already dropped the ballot, so now they risk.

00:55:44.000 You've got to imagine there's a lot of photos on some picture, on some cameras somewhere that could be used as evidence, but law enforcement won't be bothered by this.

00:55:52.000 Let me ask you a question here, which is, we suspected who's behind this, the criminal conspiracy, you know, all these sorts of things that are happening.

00:56:01.000 Whistleblowers are starting to come out. 0.99

00:56:03.000 You know, we're starting to see more and more energy into this entire deal.

00:56:08.000 This is the stuff where people just lose faith in their whole system, right?

00:56:13.000 So what can be done to restore integrity here?

00:56:16.000 First thing is, I mean, wake up, America.

00:56:18.000 It's happening.

00:56:20.000 And if we don't stop it, as Americans, if we don't say we demand clean voter rolls and we demand accountability around process, then this slide will continue.

00:56:31.000 But if we stand up and get engaged, most Americans want to do the right thing.

00:56:37.000 Our process has just been allowed to erode to a place that the inconsistencies and the insecurities and the inaccuracies, they function as a feature, not a bug.

00:56:48.000 It's intended to keep this way.

00:56:51.000 We're the only industrialized country in the world that doesn't have a standard form of photo voter identification.

00:56:56.000 I was in Ukraine two weeks ago and was inquiring with some of the people there about your tell me about your voting.

00:57:02.000 And they're like, we have to show up on election day.

00:57:05.000 They have to show an ID.

00:57:06.000 And so, I mean, they do it in Ukraine.

00:57:09.000 They do it in Romania.

00:57:10.000 In Afghanistan, send in our military to protect the election where they do retinal scans.

00:57:16.000 You can't make this up, right?

00:57:18.000 And these people in Quinnette County, Georgia, are just subverting the process in front of 100 of their fellow voters.

00:57:27.000 But this type of work, and true the vote's been doing this for 12 years, I mean, saying these things out loud leaves marks.

00:57:36.000 This is not a popular thing to reveal.

00:57:40.000 This is high stakes.

00:57:44.000 This is the kind of stuff that you say it too loudly, and a lot of people that aren't super friendly want to push back.

00:57:54.000 So you've got to, you know.

00:57:57.000 Why are conservatives, Republicans, so afraid of this issue?

00:58:01.000 Oh, I think they don't want to be called the names.

00:58:05.000 They don't want to be called.

00:58:06.000 Right.

00:58:07.000 Good answer.

00:58:08.000 Yeah.

00:58:09.000 And I think it takes so much to pull.

00:58:13.000 So many layers have to be pulled back.

00:58:15.000 It's such a daunting task.

00:58:17.000 It's just easier to kick the can down the road, particularly when you're talking to someone who's elected.

00:58:22.000 I mean, the process worked for them, right?

00:58:23.000 So why should they worry about what happens downstream?

00:58:26.000 It's great to saber rattle and great for fundraising, but the practical matter around getting this process cleaned up is something that most folks just don't want to deal with.

00:58:37.000 I think there's some fundamental things.

00:58:39.000 Catherine has long said there's sort of four pillars here we need to think about.

00:58:42.000 That's a Mark Elias phrase, by the way, that he uses pretty often.

00:58:47.000 But let me just give it to you from Catherine.

00:58:49.000 From our point of view, we've got to get the voter rolls clean.

00:58:53.000 If you can't get the voter rolls clean, then a few other things we do do.

00:58:53.000 You have to.

00:58:57.000 Is the Republican establishment doing that right now?

00:59:00.000 No.

00:59:01.000 Here's their version of it.

00:59:02.000 Let's just sue them.

00:59:03.000 And then they'll do it.

00:59:05.000 They'll say, okay, we'll do it.

00:59:06.000 We'll do it.

00:59:07.000 And then they don't do it.

00:59:08.000 Two years goes by, and by that time, the population is this particular thing.

00:59:11.000 Because they're raising hundreds of millions of dollars to try to do that.

00:59:13.000 Do you think those donors are being misled?

00:59:17.000 I just don't think that they're telling them the whole truth.

00:59:21.000 Effect is it doesn't work.

00:59:22.000 It takes, it's hard, right?

00:59:24.000 This isn't easy.

00:59:25.000 Catherine's created, or we have created an app with her, IV3.us, that allows an everyday citizen to go in and sit at their kitchen table or watching television or whatever, and we help them through the process of challenging voters in their jurisdiction or in their account.

00:59:43.000 And challenging their records.

00:59:44.000 This is an important distinction because the record, it's a process to get people to be removed from the voter rolls.

00:59:50.000 It's not just a one and done.

00:59:52.000 And you've got to be able to clearly state in your filings with your county what's going on with the with the record that you're questioning.

00:59:59.000 So that's what we've tried to tee up.

01:00:01.000 But this notion that we're going to pour hundreds of millions of dollars into lawsuits and get this done, as a practical matter, I mean, the left is game for that.

01:00:11.000 That's lawfare.

01:00:12.000 That's attorneys making bank and very little functionally happening.

01:00:17.000 Second thing we have to do is we have to stop this mail-in or just all-mail applications and ballots.

01:00:26.000 You just can't do it, right?

01:00:27.000 I mean, there's no way to control it.

01:00:30.000 We certainly don't have the mechanisms here in the United States to do it, and we have to stop that.

01:00:35.000 The third piece of this, I think, is getting rid of these drop boxes.

01:00:38.000 These drop boxes are a train wreck.

01:00:40.000 So Zuckerberg funds them?

01:00:40.000 Can I ask you?

01:00:42.000 Are they going to be around for the midterms?

01:00:44.000 A few states, yes.

01:00:45.000 Some states, no. 0.96

01:00:46.000 What states are they going to have them? 0.77

01:00:49.000 I'm not aware of any state that's pulled them entirely.

01:00:52.000 Now, Wisconsin has it stayed right now in the courts, but even in Georgia, they've said we're just going to move them inside.

01:00:59.000 Oh, so Georgia still has drop boxes?

01:01:01.000 They're just not inside the building.

01:01:04.000 We can't see them.

01:01:05.000 Well, maybe he does.

01:01:06.000 Maybe they got something on them, huh?

01:01:07.000 Yeah, who knows?

01:01:09.000 So Republican states still have drop boxes after all of this?

01:01:12.000 You're going to start seeing more and more of what's happening in Jackson, Mississippi right now.

01:01:12.000 Right.

01:01:16.000 There's a state auditor in Jackson.

01:01:18.000 His name is Shad White, and he went out and audited some of these officials that were doling out this Zuckerberg money.

01:01:26.000 And there's been four arrests in Jackson already over this.

01:01:29.000 So for them stealing the money.

01:01:31.000 And I think you're going to see state auditors and others all over the country now start to say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute, where did all this money go?

01:01:39.000 I used to be in government, and I can tell you, it's hard to spend money fast in government, right?

01:01:44.000 I mean, you've got some hoops to go through.

01:01:46.000 You've got to do things.

01:01:47.000 And so the very idea that they were just going to get $400 million and then spit it all back out and everything was going to be okay.

01:01:53.000 Come on.

01:01:54.000 So let me just ask you: how critical was the Zuckerberg money to all of this?

01:01:58.000 Oh, it was a huge catalyst.

01:02:01.000 Huge catalyst.

01:02:01.000 If Zuckerberg doesn't do that, and let's say no one did it, do you think most of this would have happened?

01:02:08.000 I know it's a hypothetical, but it's an important hypothetical.

01:02:11.000 I think when combined with the first two, right, you take dirty voter rolls, you mail everyone an application, whether they ask for it or not, whether they're even legitimately on the rolls or not, and then you provide a means to stuff them in there.

01:02:27.000 Which brings us to the fourth point, right?

01:02:29.000 The fourth point is, if you don't have some sort of a punishment for this stuff.

01:02:35.000 Fits the crime.

01:02:36.000 Right.

01:02:37.000 And put some people in jail.

01:02:38.000 You put somebody in jail for 10 years for this.

01:02:41.000 We're starting to see some whispers here.

01:02:43.000 I want to read some headlines here.

01:02:47.000 Which is two individuals accused of ballot harvesting in Yuma County.

01:02:51.000 It seems like there's an Attorney General Mark Bernovich announced a state journalist's jury.

01:02:55.000 This is back in December.

01:02:56.000 I'm hearing through the grapevine maybe there might be more happening in Yuma.

01:03:00.000 I don't want to speak out of term, but that's just kind of what I'm hearing from the kind of whispering community in Arizona.

01:03:05.000 We think so too.

01:03:06.000 Okay.

01:03:07.000 We think there will be more.

01:03:08.000 One of the interesting things about Yuma County and San Luis in particular is some of these kind of that old money that we talked about earlier.

01:03:18.000 There's some money that flows into some of these poor border communities and other poor communities around the country that is less about electing a president with these harvesting techniques and more about electing themselves so they can stay in control over all the billions that are flowing in.

01:03:38.000 And it's legit and real.

01:03:40.000 And we believe that here in Arizona that your attorney general and others are tuned in enough to what's going on down there that we're going to see some action.

01:03:50.000 So let's talk more about citizen empowerment to close out here.

01:03:54.000 So this is all ongoing.

01:03:55.000 There's going to be a lot of attacks against you guys, a lot there.

01:04:00.000 So what can people do?

01:04:01.000 And then I want you guys to just totally, you have my permission, tell the audience how you can get support and help because you need it and you're going to need it.

01:04:11.000 Because, you know, the Republican establishment, they won't be bothered by this.

01:04:14.000 They'd rather lose admirably, Vigi French.

01:04:16.000 You know, most of these big DC organizations, establishment, they're fine sitting on their endowments.

01:04:20.000 You guys are in the trenches.

01:04:22.000 You're the one that raised the $2 million.

01:04:24.000 You're the one that's connected to a supercomputer, right?

01:04:26.000 So answer that first and then the citizen empowerment side.

01:04:29.000 Well, what people can do to help, I mean, go to truthevote.org and support us.

01:04:33.000 I mean, this is this is not for the faint of heart.

01:04:38.000 I mean, we are playing at a level beyond to get to this kind of data, and you are exactly right.

01:04:44.000 The attacks are going to come and they're going to come hard.

01:04:46.000 And that was part of the calculus that we signed up for.

01:04:49.000 We know it.

01:04:49.000 So I got to ask you, why are you doing this?

01:04:52.000 Because you could just not do it.

01:04:55.000 Well, can you, though?

01:04:57.000 I mean, playing people, do Brian Campbell?

01:05:00.000 Well, yeah, I guess that's true.

01:05:05.000 I can't.

01:05:06.000 I can't be complicit in this.

01:05:09.000 I've long said if elections aren't truly fair, we are not truly free.

01:05:14.000 And that's it.

01:05:15.000 And Charlie, the other thing that we need money for is this movie is going to be huge.

01:05:20.000 We believe.

01:05:20.000 2,000 mules.

01:05:21.000 It's going to do it.

01:05:22.000 And you guys are the protagonists in the film.

01:05:25.000 We brought it to Dinesh because the news stations wouldn't run it.

01:05:30.000 I think that was smart to do.

01:05:31.000 But what we're planning on after that, remember, we have two petabytes of information.

01:05:37.000 We have cell phone pings.

01:05:38.000 We have video.

01:05:39.000 We have all manner of documents.

01:05:41.000 We have all sorts of things.

01:05:43.000 Catherine and I have long talked about this.

01:05:45.000 And our intention at this point is at some point, shortly after the video runs, we're going to pull the ripcord.

01:05:51.000 We're going to release all of this.

01:05:52.000 Totally transparent.

01:05:54.000 Give it all to the American people.

01:05:54.000 All of it.

01:05:56.000 So like WikiLeaks style.

01:05:58.000 But legal.

01:06:00.000 And say, do with it what you will.

01:06:02.000 Right.

01:06:02.000 Now you can see what nobody's shown you to this point.

01:06:05.000 You can see.

01:06:05.000 So the movie is the kind of the buildup.

01:06:09.000 And then you're going to get discredited, isolated incident. 0.98

01:06:11.000 You know, Dinesh was a felon, pardoned by Trump, all that crap they're going to try to do. 0.97

01:06:15.000 And you'll say, you want to dance? 0.99

01:06:17.000 Here you go.

01:06:17.000 Let's do it.

01:06:18.000 Let's go.

01:06:19.000 We're right.

01:06:20.000 So true the vote.org.

01:06:22.000 Truthvote.org.

01:06:24.000 Is how everyone should make a contribution.

01:06:26.000 We are.

01:06:27.000 Our show is going to contribute.

01:06:28.000 So it's Turning Point USA.

01:06:29.000 It's the least we can do.

01:06:30.000 We did a little bit from Turning Point Action in the midst of all this nonsense.

01:06:34.000 On my way down to San Luis, Arizona, for the initial interviews.

01:06:38.000 You and I talked, and you sent us some money.

01:06:40.000 We wired you some money.

01:06:41.000 We did a little bit.

01:06:42.000 We're going to do some more.

01:06:43.000 What can regular everyday people do?

01:06:44.000 They feel so helpless.

01:06:46.000 Well, first, don't feel helpless.

01:06:49.000 Okay, good.

01:06:50.000 We're not victims because victims don't have a choice.

01:06:53.000 We have a choice.

01:06:54.000 This is happening on our watch.

01:06:56.000 So we can choose to remain complicit and to watch this and to watch the movie, go pop a bag of popcorn and sit back and say, wow, this is just horrible.

01:07:05.000 And the band plays on.

01:07:07.000 Or we can say, not on our watch and get involved.

01:07:12.000 Voting is not enough.

01:07:13.000 So, but let me stop you.

01:07:14.000 Should people keep voting?

01:07:16.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:07:18.000 I know that's a weird question, but they're going to see that and say, what's the point?

01:07:21.000 If you're one of those people standing in line right there while that woman's breaking the law, talk to her. 1.00

01:07:28.000 Well, you can't do that.

01:07:30.000 Most Americans, by far and away, want an honest, fair process.

01:07:34.000 Most Americans are voting for the right reasons and have no ill intent whatsoever.

01:07:40.000 7%, thereabouts, maybe not so much, but we have 93% worth saving.

01:07:45.000 And we are an exceptional nation that can pull this together and pull it together quickly.

01:07:52.000 We just have to make this a priority because it hasn't been a priority.

01:07:56.000 We've taken it for granted.

01:07:57.000 We've taken voting for granted.

01:07:58.000 We've taken the process for granted.

01:08:00.000 And that has to come to an end because we're being left in the dust by countries around the world.

01:08:05.000 Now is the time to wake up and demand standards locally, and then it'll all roll up, Dylan.

01:08:10.000 I said this in the movie, and I believe this to my bones, that everybody's afraid right now.

01:08:17.000 They're afraid of getting canceled.

01:08:18.000 They're afraid of this.

01:08:19.000 They're afraid of that.

01:08:20.000 They're afraid of their neighbor.

01:08:21.000 They're afraid to go to the store or whatever.

01:08:23.000 On the other side of fear is freedom.

01:08:25.000 And all you got to do is just step up and let's go.

01:08:28.000 Let's do this.

01:08:29.000 So you both are, you're making a decision.

01:08:32.000 You're like, you know what?

01:08:33.000 This is institutional evil, a criminal conspiracy, the likes of which we never could have imagined.

01:08:37.000 What else are you going to take from me?

01:08:39.000 Day after the election, Catherine looked at me and said, what are we going to do?

01:08:43.000 And I said, let's go.

01:08:44.000 And she said, let's go all in.

01:08:46.000 Let's go all in.

01:08:47.000 And just by background, I know you don't like talking about it, Catherine, but you were targeted by Obama every which way.

01:08:52.000 You know, some people remember you from that, IRS, DOJ, OSHA, all of that.

01:08:56.000 And here you are again.

01:08:57.000 They can't get rid of you, actually.

01:08:59.000 The irony, I think, of that is, the irony, I think, is that it steeled me for this moment.

01:09:05.000 Yes.

01:09:06.000 Because that was a lot.

01:09:09.000 That was a lot.

01:09:11.000 I really was thinking in 2019 when we finally, because we sued the IRS and then, you know, six, seven years later, we beat them.

01:09:19.000 And at that moment, I really had to do some prayerful consideration.

01:09:25.000 You know, whether or not this is, was that really what True the Vote was about?

01:09:30.000 Were we there to make good case law, not to settle, to fight it out?

01:09:36.000 I think this is what True the Vote's been put here to do, is to take us into the other side of the mountain because this is real and now we have to do something about it.

01:09:46.000 You're the best.

01:09:47.000 Thank you.

01:09:48.000 Thank you guys so much, truethevote.org.

01:09:50.000 And everyone should check out 2000 meals, but more importantly, truethevote.org.

01:09:53.000 Thanks so much, Charlie.

01:09:57.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - April 07, 2022

How They Did It—My Conversation with True the Vote's Catherine Engelbrecht and Gregg Phillips

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