The Charlie Kirk Show - How To Build a Permanent Conservative Realignment For Gen Z

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here live from the Bitcoin.com studio.

00:00:04.000 We have Josh Hammer, we have Alex Marlowe.

00:00:06.000 We talk about what I learned in Tampa, Florida around 7,000 young patriots.

00:00:11.000 We talk about the rise of Momdaniism, a Muslim running for mayor in Minneapolis.

00:00:16.000 We talk about Biden's Autopen, Israel and Iran, and more.

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00:00:31.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:33.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

00:00:35.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:38.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House.

00:00:42.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:43.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:44.000 His spirit, his love of this country.

00:00:46.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.

00:00:51.000 Turning point USA. 0.65

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00:01:29.000 I had a very relaxing weekend sitting by the pool and getting a good tan, sleeping in till 1 p.m.

00:01:36.000 I haven't been up to much.

00:01:37.000 Of course, the exact opposite of intro.

00:01:39.000 I've never worked so hard at any event in Turning Point USA history.

00:01:43.000 The team will attest to this.

00:01:45.000 It's just up at 6.37 and literally no breaks.

00:01:50.000 I think I maybe stopped for 10 or 15 minutes to eat something.

00:01:54.000 I was just so excited to be around these young patriots.

00:01:58.000 The event had an energy.

00:01:59.000 It had a buzz.

00:02:00.000 It had a vitality.

00:02:01.000 It had a life of its own that, quite honestly, we've experienced very rarely in turning point USA history.

00:02:08.000 Part of it was that the grassroots had questions.

00:02:12.000 The grassroots was engaged.

00:02:14.000 You know what?

00:02:15.000 You wouldn't think that an event like we're hosting at the Student Action Summit coming after an election, you'd have this kind of spark and this kind of energy.

00:02:23.000 My schedule on Friday was as follows.

00:02:26.000 Woke up very early, did Fox and Friends, awesome with my friend Charlie Hurt, went straight from there and sat with the young students at Turning Point USA privately, 100 of them, table by table for over an hour, listening to them, learning from them.

00:02:39.000 Went straight from there and spoke to the Chapter Leadership Summit for an hour and a half and took questions, dashed to our program here, did two hours live on radio, then boom, did another Fox News hit.

00:02:50.000 And then straight from the Fox News hit, went and did a prove me wrong for an hour and a half where people were able to ask non-political cultural questions, then went backstaged, opened the event.

00:03:01.000 Then I had to go dash and go do interviews at the members-only lounge of Charlie Kirk Show with Tucker Carlson.

00:03:09.000 Went back to backstage.

00:03:11.000 Oh, yeah, and then I had to go greet Pete Hegseth.

00:03:13.000 We did a members-only interview with Pete Hegseth.

00:03:15.000 Then I went back to the main stage, interviewed Megan Kelly.

00:03:19.000 After I interviewed Megan Kelly, dashed back and did a members-only interview with the apostate prophet, which is an incredible interview that you are going to love.

00:03:28.000 Finished up that members-only interview with the apostate prophet to then only have to go to two donor dinners, couple donor meetings, all in between getting lots of phone calls about the very slow news weekend without any caffeine, purely on water and patriotism.

00:03:46.000 That was just Friday.

00:03:47.000 Saturday was even crazier.

00:03:49.000 But we decided to push ourselves harder than ever.

00:03:52.000 And we are the hardest working organization in the country.

00:03:55.000 We do more content.

00:03:56.000 We do more events.

00:03:57.000 We do more grassroots engagement than any other organization out there because we believe the nation is at stake.

00:04:04.000 The nation is in peril.

00:04:06.000 Now, plenty was said this last weekend at our event about Epstein.

00:04:10.000 Honestly, I'm done talking about Epstein for the time being.

00:04:13.000 I'm going to trust my friends in the administration.

00:04:15.000 I'm going to trust my friends in the government to do what needs to be done, solve it.

00:04:19.000 I've said plenty this last weekend.

00:04:21.000 So if you guys want to see my commentary on it, that's fine.

00:04:24.000 We have escalatory action potentially being taken in Ukraine and Russia.

00:04:29.000 We have tons of announcements happening when it comes to NATO.

00:04:32.000 But let me just say this again.

00:04:34.000 Everyone knows my opinion about the Epstein thing, the messaging fumble.

00:04:38.000 I would love to see the DOJ move to unseal the grand jury testimony.

00:04:42.000 I think that would be a big win.

00:04:44.000 I would love to see that.

00:04:45.000 And I'm going to trust my friends, Cash Patel, Dan Bongino, my friend Pam Bondi, all these guys, Todd Blanche, I'm going to trust them to solve it.

00:04:53.000 Ball's in their court.

00:04:54.000 I think that there was plenty of, let's say, speeches that were directed towards this topic this last weekend.

00:05:01.000 So we don't need to spend our valuable time on this program relitigating it.

00:05:07.000 And by the way, this last weekend, we also had a lively debate on stage that you should check out, which I'm going to talk about later in the hour about Israel, Josh Hammer versus Dave Smith.

00:05:15.000 It's gone super viral, all about Israel.

00:05:17.000 But taking a step back, I want to remind you the big picture.

00:05:22.000 And the big picture is this.

00:05:24.000 What I love about these events is I'm able to talk to people directly.

00:05:28.000 We did a focus group, by the way, yesterday morning with well over 50 of our top turning point USA students.

00:05:33.000 And whoa, that focus group is going to go viral.

00:05:36.000 Think like Jubilee times 10, hearing straight from students about issues that matter to them.

00:05:44.000 The Student Action Summit was the largest we have ever had.

00:05:47.000 And President Trump was negotiating ends to war and understandably was not able to make time.

00:05:54.000 J.D. Vance was with his family, understandably not able to make time.

00:05:57.000 Even with that, and we would have loved to have them both, we had 7,000 people there, largest ever Student Action Summit.

00:06:03.000 This is a movement that is durable, that is strong, that is growing.

00:06:08.000 We had Pete Hegseth, we had Tulsi Gabbard, we had Christy Noam, so we still had three cabinet secretaries.

00:06:14.000 And we also had Tom Homan.

00:06:15.000 Coming out of this event, though, I want to repeat something that I told almost every reporter to keep this movement together, to keep this movement be the dominant generational movement and to make this the most permanent generational shift since Woodstock is that we must be honest and serious about the renter economy versus the ownership economy. 0.59

00:06:41.000 This kept coming up from students at our event.

00:06:45.000 The repetition from the students, which is, Charlie, I wish our leaders would just talk about how I can't afford homes.

00:06:51.000 Charlie, I wish our leaders would emphasize about how I can't afford anything.

00:06:56.000 And they said, we love President Trump.

00:06:58.000 We want the one big, beautiful bill to work.

00:07:01.000 And the takeaway is that they want their leaders to address their immediate concerns.

00:07:08.000 When we win elections, and I think President Trump is doing this, we must govern in a way that fulfills the mandate.

00:07:15.000 So I look at myself almost as, I mean, look, I wear a lot of different hats.

00:07:19.000 But in some ways, I'm an advocate.

00:07:21.000 I'm like a special interest group advocate.

00:07:24.000 And I had a great conversation with the president on the phone last night expressing this.

00:07:28.000 I'm kind of a special interest advocate for three groups.

00:07:31.000 The conservative base, evangelicals, but most importantly and most well-known for younger people, younger voters.

00:07:40.000 And you could add the muscular class on top of that because we have a really good connection on this program and through all of our advocacy with the muscular class.

00:07:47.000 As a side note, what's so awesome is when we do these events, the guys taking out the trash, the guys that were cleaning up the conference center, and they do such a great job.

00:07:57.000 They work tough, tough hours, a lot of overtime.

00:07:59.000 They all wanted selfies.

00:08:00.000 They were all giving us thumbs up. 0.89

00:08:02.000 They were black.

00:08:02.000 They were Hispanic.

00:08:03.000 They were diverse.

00:08:04.000 That's our base.

00:08:05.000 It was so good.

00:08:06.000 But specifically with younger people, I feel as if I'm a special interest group advocate.

00:08:12.000 And I say that kiddingly, because I mean, are younger voters really a special interest group?

00:08:16.000 No, of course not.

00:08:17.000 But what I'm saying, though, is that I'm trying to deliver a message as a conduit, as a transmitter, as a interlocutor, if you will, saying the next generation is prime for a permanent conservative realignment.

00:08:35.000 It is temporary so far.

00:08:37.000 We've lived through a temporary conservative realignment.

00:08:40.000 It is not permanent.

00:08:42.000 I know this generation better than any other prominent conservative.

00:08:46.000 Not because I'm one of them.

00:08:48.000 I'm a little bit older than them, 31.

00:08:50.000 A lot of these kids are 18 to 21.

00:08:51.000 But because I have spent hundreds of hours asking questions.

00:08:55.000 And Andrew will attest to it.

00:08:56.000 The way that I ran that focus group yesterday, I'm able to get down to the heart of the matter very quickly.

00:09:02.000 I know their lingo.

00:09:03.000 I know their language.

00:09:04.000 I'm able to extract it.

00:09:05.000 Because when you do as many campus events as I do, you start to see patterns and you have pattern recognition.

00:09:12.000 And it's a lot more accurate than polling and macro data.

00:09:16.000 And here is the kicker.

00:09:18.000 You are going to see more Zoran Mamdanis.

00:09:20.000 You're going to see more, by the way, there's another Muslim running for mayor in Minneapolis.

00:09:24.000 Big surprise.

00:09:25.000 And he's arguing for the exact same thing.

00:09:28.000 You're going to see more Mamdanis and AOCs and Elon Omars and Rashida Talibs.

00:09:33.000 You're going to see a rise of Mamdaniism in addition to Muhammadism. 1.00

00:09:38.000 So you have both kind of together.

00:09:39.000 But Mamdaniism, coupled with Muhammadism, if we do not achieve and fulfill the mandate to get younger people to own homes, get married, have kids. 0.99

00:09:54.000 If we do not fulfill that mandate, if we do not have young people be able to own instead of rent, then you will see an introduction of radicalization of our politics.

00:10:08.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

00:10:10.000 I'm excited to tell you that I'll be speaking at the Culture and Christianity Conference at World Outreach Church just south of Nashville, Tennessee this September, and I'm inviting you to join me.

00:10:20.000 My friend Pastor Alan Jackson organized this conference so we can address the issues we're facing in today's culture, but through the lens of God's truth.

00:10:29.000 We'll talk about what's happening in the church, the media, and with our help.

00:10:32.000 When you'll attend, you'll gain insight and valuable perspectives on what's happening in the world today.

00:10:36.000 Learn how to recognize truth from deception.

00:10:39.000 Find boldness so you could defend your faith with confidence and compassion.

00:10:43.000 Join me, Pastor Alan, Sage Steele, Dr. Bill Lyle, and many more.

00:10:48.000 September 19th and 20th.

00:10:49.000 Registration is now open.

00:10:51.000 There's never been a more important time to seek the truth, embrace the truth, and boldly deliver the truth to the people around us.

00:10:57.000 Come find out what's happening in the world around us and what you can do to make a difference.

00:11:01.000 Learn more and register at alanjackson.com slash Charlie.

00:11:04.000 That's alanjackson.com slash Charlie.

00:11:07.000 I'll see you there.

00:11:11.000 If we fail to make renters and owners, if we fail and we fall short, which again, I think President Trump is really onto something with the cutting the rates thing.

00:11:21.000 If we cut interest rates, a lot of this ownership economy becomes more real.

00:11:26.000 The tragedy is this.

00:11:27.000 And I know this because we're here in Phoenix, Arizona, which was once one of the most affordable cities in America, and it's now become one of the most expensive cities in America.

00:11:35.000 Why?

00:11:36.000 Because during COVID, this was a freedom beacon state.

00:11:38.000 So a lot of people sold their assets in blue states that have much higher asset values because cost of living, brought their appreciated capital into the state of Arizona and created a housing rush with a limited supply.

00:11:51.000 And next thing you know, Arizona is now one of the most expensive states in the country.

00:11:57.000 And the tragedy is this, and I know this from so many of my wonderful staff.

00:12:03.000 If you were able to get into the housing market, let's just say before, up, up until early 2022, you are in a rock solid position.

00:12:12.000 Let's just say 2021, right as Trump left office.

00:12:16.000 If you, though, were able, if you have not been able to and you wanted to get into the housing market in 2023, 2024, 2025, you're on the outside looking in.

00:12:25.000 You're a renter.

00:12:26.000 I mean, you take me, for example.

00:12:28.000 Again, we do very well in this program.

00:12:30.000 We're super blessed.

00:12:31.000 God has really been generous to us.

00:12:35.000 But we were able to buy our property and with like a 2.8% interest rate.

00:12:40.000 It's ridiculous back during COVID.

00:12:43.000 Very, very low.

00:12:44.000 And then, of course, then since COVID, that asset price has gone up significantly and dramatically.

00:12:51.000 I look at though my fellow employees or my fellow workers that want to now buy homes.

00:12:57.000 It's now at 7% or 8% interest rates.

00:13:00.000 And the homes are much more expensive.

00:13:03.000 So the down payment is more.

00:13:05.000 And then the interest rate itself just makes it impossible for them to even enter the housing market.

00:13:11.000 Not to mention, we have BlackRock coming in and buying these homes and are bidding against our own young people.

00:13:21.000 And interest rates are only part of the pie because unfortunately it won't help when like a garbage 500 square foot house costs $600,000.

00:13:30.000 I think that these major $10 trillion wealth management funds and illegal immigrants owning homes are two of the major problems. 1.00

00:13:38.000 So we got to figure it out.

00:13:40.000 We have to figure it out.

00:13:42.000 Because if we don't, the red-green axis, again, it's not always going to be red-green.

00:13:47.000 It just so happens this is multiplying.

00:13:48.000 Again, I'm going to be proven so right on this.

00:13:50.000 People say, Charlie, you can't say this.

00:13:52.000 You can't say that Muslims are taking over the West.

00:13:54.000 Well, they are, and I'm going to say it again and again and again because I see pattern recognition.

00:13:59.000 Sadiq Khan in London.

00:14:01.000 You have Zoran Mamdani in New York.

00:14:05.000 And now you have a new one.

00:14:06.000 A guy who wants to be mayor of Minneapolis, Omar Fatah.

00:14:12.000 If we do not solve the ownership crisis in America, which I believe President Trump will, but it's a race against the clock.

00:14:19.000 It's literally a race against the clock.

00:14:21.000 It's who gets there first.

00:14:23.000 Can we do it before this radicalism crescendos and peaks?

00:14:26.000 Can we keep the radicalism in its corner and into the bowels of American society where it belongs?

00:14:33.000 Or is it going to surface?

00:14:34.000 So apparently, this guy is Somali mayor candidate Omar Fatah, who says, quote, protecting all of our communities from Donald Trump means not letting the Minneapolis Police Department interact with ICE, whether it's an immigration raid or not.

00:14:52.000 Again, so this guy is a Muslim, Somalian.

00:14:55.000 So we've brought them in through mass migration. 0.96

00:14:59.000 And he doesn't care about, he's just, he's an instrument for the destruction of the West.

00:15:05.000 This particular guy, he wants Islamic socialist control over Minneapolis.

00:15:09.000 And we've seen this happen so many times.

00:15:11.000 Mass immigration without assimilation is invasion. 0.99

00:15:14.000 Commit that to memory.

00:15:16.000 Mass immigration without assimilation is invasion, especially when you do it in such big numbers. 1.00

00:15:25.000 So my takeaway from the Student Action Summit was that these young people have been sending us a distress signal.

00:15:32.000 And praise God for them.

00:15:34.000 They're working their tail off.

00:15:35.000 They're starting turning point USA chapters.

00:15:39.000 They are fighting on the front lines.

00:15:42.000 And they're saying, Charlie, can we just please have a national project on marriage, kids, homes.

00:15:49.000 Marriage, kids, homes.

00:15:51.000 Said differently, mortgage, marriage, mating.

00:15:54.000 Mortgage, marriage, mating.

00:15:56.000 The three M's. 0.97

00:15:57.000 Make it easier to have a mortgage, make it easier to get married, and make it easier to mate. 1.00

00:16:02.000 Those three things, the three M's.

00:16:06.000 And if we don't do that, the warning that I derive from our 7,000 faithful students is Charlie, after us, the deluge.

00:16:17.000 So we better stop it.

00:16:19.000 Okay, breaking news.

00:16:20.000 President Trump did a press conference this morning with the head of NATO to announce that there is a little bit of an arms deal.

00:16:27.000 It's different than what Biden did, but let's walk through the basics first.

00:16:30.000 Trump recently paused weapon shipments to Ukraine.

00:16:33.000 Also said he'd only send defensive weapons to avoid escalating the war.

00:16:37.000 But President Trump has apparently gotten very frustrated with Russia, believing they're not serious about reaching a peace deal.

00:16:43.000 Let's start to get some tape about this, guys, as I go through some of the facts here, please.

00:16:47.000 So today, in a press conference, along with NATO Secretary General Mark Rute, Trump said America will, quote, send the best military equipment to other NATO members, including offensive weapons, which they are free to transfer to Ukraine.

00:17:01.000 Per President Trump, we are just being an arms dealer, selling to our allies who can do whatever.

00:17:07.000 But it's clear this is meant to up the ante against Russia.

00:17:11.000 President Trump has also announced a 50-day deadline for Russia to make peace or face 100% secondary tariffs, which apparently would be tariffs on nations that buy Russian oil.

00:17:21.000 Let's play cut 284, please.

00:17:23.000 We've made a deal today where we are going to be sending them weapons and they're going to be paying for them.

00:17:30.000 The United States will not be having any payment made.

00:17:35.000 We are not buying it, but we will manufacture it and they're going to be paying for it.

00:17:40.000 Our last meeting of a month ago was very successful in that they agreed to 5%, which is more than a trillion dollars a year, so they have a lot of money.

00:17:48.000 And these are wealthy nations.

00:17:50.000 They have a lot of money and they want to do it.

00:17:52.000 They feel very strongly about it.

00:17:53.000 And we feel strongly about it, too.

00:17:55.000 Now, the situation is a little bit different than what Biden did, but I'm going to give you my thoughts, which is it's not a direct just weapon transfer to Ukraine.

00:18:04.000 At least somebody is purchasing them.

00:18:05.000 Now, we have to make sure this actually ends up happening, and I believe it will.

00:18:09.000 So NATO or Europe is basically going to be an intermediary arms dealer with the United States that will buy the arms from the United States, hopefully generating some revenue, and then bringing them and sending them to Ukraine.

00:18:22.000 Now, I want to see an end to this Ukrainian-Russian war.

00:18:26.000 Personally, I don't want us to send any more arms to Ukraine.

00:18:29.000 But at the same time, I want you, if you agree with me, in principle, what would you do if you were President Trump?

00:18:38.000 He's in a very difficult position here.

00:18:41.000 So let's walk through this because I've done a lot of thinking about this.

00:18:46.000 So President Trump started by trying to warm up the relationship between Vladimir Putin and America.

00:18:52.000 Good phone calls, kind of talking like more friendly.

00:18:57.000 Remember, Joe Biden had that relationship dead.

00:19:00.000 That relationship was dead to rights.

00:19:02.000 We didn't even have a back channel.

00:19:04.000 And right out of the gate, there was a very bullish trend.

00:19:07.000 And he gave Putin a huge leash.

00:19:09.000 And there's no better way to tick off President Trump.

00:19:13.000 And honestly, it would tick me off if I was in the chair.

00:19:15.000 It would tick you off if you were president.

00:19:17.000 Where you have a great conversation with a foreign leader.

00:19:20.000 Oh, yes, everything's great.

00:19:21.000 Let's do a deal.

00:19:21.000 And then, boom, Vladimir Putin is bombing churches on Palm Sunday, which did happen.

00:19:28.000 Now, Russia will say, well, you know, there's been assassination attempts against us, and we're responding in that capacity, that regard.

00:19:35.000 Okay, it's a war.

00:19:36.000 There's always, I guess, a couple sides to this. 0.99

00:19:40.000 But some open advice for Vladimir Putin: don't play Trump as a fool. 0.97

00:19:44.000 This is not Joe Biden. 0.97

00:19:45.000 This is not Barack Obama.

00:19:47.000 And so President Trump has tried outright diplomacy multiple times.

00:19:53.000 Now, if you think about it, President Trump does not want to see the Russian army march all the way to Kiev on his watch.

00:20:00.000 I don't think anyone wants to see that.

00:20:02.000 That would not be good.

00:20:03.000 So it's a very difficult balance.

00:20:05.000 It's a very difficult balance because, of course, Ukraine has not been forthright.

00:20:08.000 I mean, this guy is the greatest salesman since P.T. Barnum.

00:20:11.000 He shows up to America, you know, dressed like an uppity foreigner in a black t-shirt, and he ends up with $60 billion. 1.00

00:20:19.000 I mean, Zelensky's the greatest salesman we've ever seen.

00:20:22.000 President Trump wants to see the war end.

00:20:25.000 He doesn't want to see the war lost.

00:20:28.000 And as someone who honestly, I'm not, I'm kind of like, I don't want to see more arms to Ukraine.

00:20:33.000 I don't.

00:20:33.000 I've said that repeatedly.

00:20:34.000 I said it under Biden.

00:20:35.000 I have a great deal of compassion and understanding for President Trump here.

00:20:38.000 And I'm not just saying that because he's a friend and I know him.

00:20:42.000 And if you disagree with me, then email me what you would do if you were president.

00:20:46.000 Because this is not an easy one.

00:20:48.000 This one's a toughie.

00:20:51.000 Tired of hearing that fossil fuels are ruining the planet?

00:20:54.000 Well, here's what the headlines won't tell you.

00:20:56.000 We're living in the safest, healthiest, and most prosperous time in human history.

00:21:00.000 Since 1980, global extreme poverty has plummeted from 42% to under 10%.

00:21:05.000 Meanwhile, life expectancy and incomes have soared.

00:21:08.000 And this transformation didn't happen in spite of fossil fuels.

00:21:11.000 It happened because of them.

00:21:13.000 From powering clean water systems and food supply chains to driving industrial growth and life-saving infrastructure, fossil fuels have been the quiet force lifting billions out of poverty.

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00:21:53.000 So President Donald Trump is doing rationally the most important thing of which there is really no downside in the pursuit of diplomacy.

00:22:03.000 If you think about it, Vladimir Putin thinks that he understands domestic American politics.

00:22:10.000 Here's Vladimir Putin's perspective.

00:22:12.000 He's not feeling Russian angst, as we've explained on the prior show, because he's getting all of his troops in the rural parts of Russia, not from Moscow or St. Petersburg, where the Russian elites or oligarchs live.

00:22:24.000 So it's basically very poor Chechnyans that are dying in the war and are just being used as cannon fodder for Vladimir Putin's agenda. 0.60

00:22:32.000 So Vladimir Putin is making a bet.

00:22:34.000 And here is the bet that Vladimir Putin is making.

00:22:37.000 He is betting that America does not have the stomach to keep financing or to keep sending American weaponry.

00:22:47.000 Almost all of Vladimir Putin's political calculus is based around the first principle that America domestically is done with this and he's going to seize on that and he's going to take advantage of it.

00:23:02.000 So President Donald Trump is saying, no, your first principle is incorrect.

00:23:08.000 Play cut 294.

00:23:10.000 Will these be Patriot missiles specifically or Patriot batteries that you're planning?

00:23:15.000 It's everything.

00:23:15.000 It's Patriots.

00:23:16.000 It's all of them.

00:23:18.000 It's a full compliment with the batteries.

00:23:20.000 And when do you expect them to arrive in Ukraine?

00:23:23.000 Well, we're going to have some come very soon, within days, actually.

00:23:26.000 A couple of the countries that have Patriots are going to swap over and will replace the Patriots with the ones they have.

00:23:34.000 So President Donald Trump saying this is now has a leverage point against Vladimir Putin.

00:23:45.000 Oh, really, Mr. Putin?

00:23:46.000 You're going to tell me that you want to do a deal and you're starting to go bomb children's hospitals or whatever.

00:23:50.000 I mean, again, it's a war.

00:23:52.000 Ukraine's doing stuff they shouldn't be doing. 0.98

00:23:54.000 Russia's doing stuff they shouldn't be doing. 0.95

00:23:56.000 I'm not getting too into the details of it.

00:23:58.000 By the way, it's a very confusing war to follow.

00:24:00.000 7,000 people died last week and we act like it's okay.

00:24:04.000 Oh, yeah, fine.

00:24:05.000 7,000.

00:24:06.000 7,000 people died?

00:24:09.000 And we just kind of shrug our shoulders.

00:24:11.000 We kind of roll our eyes over all that.

00:24:13.000 President Donald Trump continues in Cut 293 saying that he'll impose very severe tariffs of the 100% on Russia if no deal is reached.

00:24:22.000 Play Cut 293.

00:24:24.000 I'm disappointed in President Putin because I thought we would have had a deal two months ago, but it doesn't seem to get there.

00:24:31.000 So based on that, we're going to be doing secondary tariffs.

00:24:34.000 If we don't have a deal in 50 days, it's very simple.

00:24:37.000 And they'll be at 100%.

00:24:39.000 And that's the way it is.

00:24:40.000 It can be more simple.

00:24:42.000 It's just the way it is.

00:24:43.000 I hope we don't have to do it.

00:24:45.000 Now, here's the argument that some are making.

00:24:47.000 They're saying this is a problem for NATO or Europe to be buying weapons because they want to bring Donald Trump and America into this conflict.

00:24:58.000 But I actually don't share that view.

00:25:00.000 And I think President Donald Trump has beyond earned our confidence and our trust after what happened with Iran. 0.92

00:25:08.000 I think President Donald Trump has shown he does not want a war against Russia.

00:25:12.000 He does not want a hot kinetic war.

00:25:14.000 He doesn't.

00:25:15.000 And he didn't want one against Iran.

00:25:18.000 He doesn't want a quagmire.

00:25:19.000 So I don't share that view.

00:25:20.000 Do I think that we could potentially be stuck with a funding problem and a relentless kind of armament problem?

00:25:28.000 Yeah, I could see that.

00:25:30.000 Could I see this war going on longer than we would like it?

00:25:34.000 But let me repeat, if you are in my philosophical camp, which I bet a lot of you are, and you're kind of fatigued with the war in Ukraine, you don't want to keep on financing it, you're kind of like, what are you guys even fighting for?

00:25:47.000 Another 100 extra miles so another 500,000 people can die?

00:25:51.000 What would you do differently?

00:25:53.000 And if your answer is that we're just going to pull out completely, you run a major geopolitical And political risk that Ukraine will no longer exist as a country.

00:26:05.000 Now, some people hold that view.

00:26:08.000 That is a firm view.

00:26:10.000 Some people say that, hey, if Russia wants it, Russia gets it. 0.62

00:26:14.000 Now, the counter I don't like is, well, then Russia's going to march all the way to Paris.

00:26:18.000 No, they're not.

00:26:19.000 Actually, Article 5 will prevent him from even stepping foot into Poland.

00:26:23.000 That's not going to happen.

00:26:24.000 The argument, again, the whole kind of slippery slope argument that, oh, Vladimir Putin's going to march tanks through Warsaw, and then next thing you know, he'll be running Brussels.

00:26:32.000 No, Ukraine is different.

00:26:35.000 So the question is then, the important question is not about Brussels or Paris or Madrid.

00:26:42.000 The more important question is, are you okay with Ukraine being conquered by Russia?

00:26:49.000 Completely.

00:26:51.000 And that is a very complicated question.

00:26:54.000 Now, are you okay morally or do you want to involve militarily?

00:27:00.000 I'm of the opinion that this is not our fight and this is not our war.

00:27:04.000 But President Donald Trump has to manage a global economy as well.

00:27:07.000 He wants to keep the dollar as the world reserve currency status.

00:27:10.000 This is not an easy one.

00:27:12.000 We need to aim for a ceasefire.

00:27:14.000 And I think President Donald Trump has that as an ultimate destination.

00:27:18.000 And I also think President Donald Trump dismisses some of the more radical, clamoring people.

00:27:23.000 Oh, yeah, he's going to roll tanks all the way into Prague.

00:27:25.000 No, he's not.

00:27:25.000 Just stop it.

00:27:26.000 That's not going to happen.

00:27:28.000 Will he potentially take over Ukraine?

00:27:31.000 And would it be a gut punch to the European psyche and to continental Europe?

00:27:35.000 Yes.

00:27:37.000 And so he's threading the needle.

00:27:38.000 And so Putin basically is not taking what Trump was saying seriously because Putin was saying, now he didn't say it, but he was acting as if, well, Trump, you have no cards.

00:27:48.000 Well, now Trump does have some cards, actually.

00:27:52.000 And that's why he's doing the full compliment.

00:27:54.000 Putin may be misreading the influence of some of the MAGA portion of the country that wants no involvement in Ukraine.

00:28:02.000 That's why I think Putin's first principle is incorrect.

00:28:06.000 And so Donald Trump says, oh, you think you understand where we're at?

00:28:10.000 Well, now I'm doing a full compliment for Ukraine.

00:28:12.000 Do you want to negotiate now, Mr. Putin?

00:28:14.000 So I have all the confidence that President Donald Trump is going to keep us out of any sort of kinetic dragging us into.

00:28:22.000 I have no concern whatsoever.

00:28:24.000 The reason why Iran, I had so much concern, there was a lot of other reasons why Iran, is because we didn't know the rationality of Iran.

00:28:30.000 Russia, I think, doesn't want it either.

00:28:32.000 That's the other thing.

00:28:34.000 Russia does not want a hot war against America.

00:28:38.000 But now President Donald Trump, this is key, has shifted the responsibility to Europe.

00:28:44.000 That is key.

00:28:44.000 Okay, I want to now get to another story here.

00:28:47.000 Actually, let's just play some of the best moments from the Student Action Summit while it's still fresh.

00:28:52.000 We had some amazing speakers.

00:28:54.000 By the way, we have our Student Action Summit straw poll results coming up soon.

00:28:58.000 Let's play cut 246 from Tom Holman.

00:29:02.000 One of the greatest accomplishments from this administration that needs to be repeated on a daily basis is how we now have a hermetically sealed border and the invasion is over.

00:29:14.000 It is an incredible accomplishment.

00:29:17.000 Play cut 246.

00:29:19.000 Tonight, as I'm talking to you, we got the most secure border in the history of this nation.

00:29:28.000 In the history.

00:29:33.000 Illegal immigration down 96%.

00:29:36.000 That means 96% less people are coming.

00:29:39.000 When 96% less people are coming, how many women are being raped by the cartels? 1.00

00:29:44.000 How many children are dying making that journey?

00:29:46.000 How many pounds of fentanyl isn't getting in the country to kill Americans?

00:29:51.000 What they've been able to accomplish, what President Trump has been able to do at the southern border, he can golf for the next couple of years and still call this presidency a success to stop the invasion of foreigners into the United States of America. 0.99

00:30:03.000 Now it's time also for mass deportations, and we are getting mass deportations.

00:30:08.000 We had Christy Noam, we had Tom Holman.

00:30:10.000 I spoke to them both publicly and privately.

00:30:13.000 And it's like a commitment, an unspeakable resolve to the mass deportation agenda.

00:30:19.000 It was an honor to have our good friend, Pete Hegseth, Secretary of Defense, SecDef.

00:30:27.000 Man, I've seen motorcades in my life.

00:30:29.000 That is the closest thing to a presidential motorcade when Pete Hegseth pulled up to our event.

00:30:33.000 He came in with 43 people.

00:30:35.000 It's amazing.

00:30:36.000 But he's still the same person he was.

00:30:38.000 Still the same person.

00:30:39.000 Humble, strong, full of fortitude, excellent resolve.

00:30:44.000 Here is Pete Hegseth at the Department of Defense.

00:30:47.000 One of the best-rated speeches.

00:30:50.000 PlayCut 248.

00:30:52.000 We're going back to gender neutral, color blind, merit based performance standards. 0.99

00:31:06.000 We do readiness, we do accountability, we do warfighting, we do lethality, we don't do social experiments, we don't do politics.

00:31:16.000 I don't care in my formations.

00:31:18.000 I mean, I have my political views and you have yours.

00:31:22.000 But I don't care in my formation if you're a Republican or a Democrat.

00:31:26.000 Do you love the country?

00:31:28.000 Have you sworn oath to defend the Constitution?

00:31:31.000 And you know, we had dozens of young men, I think some young ladies, but mostly young men, that said they wanted to join the military because of Pete Hagseth's speech.

00:31:40.000 They have hit their recruitment goals so early, they need to go to Congress to ask for more money to satisfy the recruitment goals.

00:31:47.000 And under Biden, the recruitments were record lows.

00:31:50.000 Recruitment, military recruitment is a poll test of national morale.

00:31:57.000 When you are hitting your national recruitment numbers, when you are hitting your military recruitment numbers, it is a leading indicator for national revival, for national revitalization.

00:32:09.000 We also hosted a debate, Josh Hammer versus Dave Smith, about Israel.

00:32:16.000 But let's go to this one here, which also went very, very viral, I could tell you that, which is Tucker Carlson smashing the push for amnesty, Play Cut 249.

00:32:29.000 What do I think about amnesty for farm workers?

00:32:31.000 I think it's the most grotesque thing I've ever heard.

00:32:33.000 Are you joking?

00:32:36.000 Amnesty for farm workers?

00:32:40.000 We have like 60 million illegal aliens in the country.

00:32:44.000 The country bears no resemblance to the country I grew up in, and it's not better, it's worse.

00:32:48.000 So I'm not going to sit for another lecture from anybody telling me we need to import more people to write code or pick grapes or any other task.

00:32:57.000 Period.

00:32:57.000 It hasn't worked.

00:32:58.000 The country hasn't gotten richer.

00:33:00.000 It hasn't become more unified.

00:33:02.000 Those words should burn on the tongue of anyone who utters them.

00:33:05.000 How dare you talk like that?

00:33:08.000 Amnesty.

00:33:10.000 This was the most successful Student Action Summit in history.

00:33:13.000 We made a lot of headlines.

00:33:14.000 We had a lot of spirited debate, a lot of discussion.

00:33:17.000 It was a phenomenal success.

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00:34:17.000 Joining us now is Alex Marlow, editor-in-chief of Breitbart.com, host of the Alex Marlowe Show.

00:34:23.000 Alex, great to see you.

00:34:24.000 We were just with each other a couple of days ago in Tampa, Florida.

00:34:27.000 Remind our audience, walk them through what this event was like for you.

00:34:31.000 It was an amazing event for me, Charlie.

00:34:32.000 Congratulations.

00:34:34.000 You guys are the centerpiece of the political universe right now, and that's the point.

00:34:38.000 We're a free idea, a free speech country.

00:34:41.000 We should be a movement that is routinely checking in on where we stand on various issues.

00:34:46.000 It's one of the things I admire most about President Trump.

00:34:48.000 And it's why I was so enthusiastic about guys like Robert Kennedy, not a traditional Republican, being a part of Trump's cabinet.

00:34:55.000 It is the spirit of challenging ourselves to be sharp on all the ideas.

00:35:00.000 And your conference has just become the absolute nucleus for that.

00:35:04.000 So it's there is if you go to these things and you just want it to be kumbaya on agreement all the time, then you're just being so lazy.

00:35:11.000 And that's some of the vibe I'm getting online is just outrage that you guys would have discussions about certain things.

00:35:16.000 It's just, no, no, thank you.

00:35:17.000 Please stop.

00:35:18.000 Count me out of that.

00:35:19.000 Yeah.

00:35:20.000 So what would you have to say to people that they saw a speaker they didn't like and then they try to blame me for having that speaker because they didn't like that speaker?

00:35:29.000 And by the way, it goes all, it's all across, you know, it's on both every possible garden variety of that.

00:35:36.000 How should we approach that question of platforming and of running an event like this?

00:35:41.000 You have something to say about this running Breitbart for as long as you have.

00:35:45.000 Please, I'd love your commentary on this.

00:35:46.000 Yeah, I'm like the number one authority on this thing.

00:35:48.000 So let me tell you, I can only speak for myself here, Charlie, but once you tell me I cannot have a person that I've chosen as editor-in-chief of Breitbart to platform on my platform, I have no other choice but to have them again, over and over again.

00:36:01.000 So you're actually hurting your own cause by suggesting that you can't have X, Y, or Z person speak, especially if you do so in a public way, because then I don't have any other moves.

00:36:10.000 My only move is, if we're playing chess here, is to platform them again and again and again.

00:36:15.000 And so if you really want to get through to me, that's just not the way to do it.

00:36:18.000 And yet I did see that a lot online, Charlie, telling you, well, we can never do this again.

00:36:22.000 Well, then what's your reaction?

00:36:24.000 Your reaction is probably going to be, well, now they're just going to be the centerpiece of the whole thing because you can't tell me what to do.

00:36:30.000 Charlie, you didn't do this for 10, 12 years.

00:36:32.000 What have you done Turning Point?

00:36:34.000 To have people chirping online to say that to try to control what you're doing and who you're platforming and which voices you want to feature.

00:36:40.000 That's not why you built this.

00:36:41.000 So I know this is someone who built something similar and was told the same stuff.

00:36:45.000 So I find it to be something, it'll blow over.

00:36:48.000 People will calm down.

00:36:50.000 But overall, the vibe of the event was very exciting.

00:36:53.000 And I think it is, we're a vibrant movement with a lot of super interesting, smart people who are constantly challenging each other to bring the heat.

00:37:01.000 I watched the whole debate last night on the plane with Josh Hammer and Dave Smith.

00:37:06.000 They're both so sharp.

00:37:07.000 It's like, I agree with Josh way more than I agree with Dave, but they both had commanding presences.

00:37:12.000 There was the right amount, I think, of emotion because it's an emotional topic without it being too emotional.

00:37:17.000 And they were bringing all this detail and facts that I didn't know all of it.

00:37:20.000 And I read this stuff 24-7.

00:37:21.000 So I thought it was a total treat.

00:37:23.000 And it's not something you're getting anywhere else.

00:37:24.000 So why are we saying, oh, this is unique?

00:37:26.000 This is original.

00:37:27.000 No one else is doing this.

00:37:28.000 Oh, well, then let's just stop doing it.

00:37:30.000 No, that's the exact wrong way to approach media.

00:37:32.000 Yeah.

00:37:32.000 And honestly, I don't want to give too much credence because I think the criticism rises to the surface.

00:37:38.000 The audience loved it.

00:37:39.000 I've gotten hundreds of, hundreds of messages and thousands of comments thanking me because I moderated.

00:37:45.000 I think I have very strong views on this stuff and I'm very much in Josh's view.

00:37:50.000 I think Dave brought up some points on the neoconservatism stuff that I'm fully in alignment, but his anti-Trump stuff, obviously, I don't agree with.

00:37:57.000 But what would you say when people say, well, you can't platform that person, even though it's in the scope of a debate?

00:38:04.000 Yeah, I completely disagree with that.

00:38:06.000 And I'll tell you why, because I learned so much about Dave from this because it's the most I've heard him speak.

00:38:12.000 And to be honest with you, I didn't find his arguments overly persuasive, but I felt like that was actually comforting to me that I felt like as someone who's mostly pro-Israel, very much a Zionist, looking at this debate, I did not feel overly intimidated, but I got to understand where he's coming from.

00:38:28.000 I'm very empathetic and sympathetic to someone who's coming from the sort of Ron Paul wing where Ron Paul has been vindicated again and again over the years.

00:38:35.000 And if that's sort of your baseline, and you're just going to assume that basically I'm taking that, he's my North Star, and then I'm going to pick and choose from there.

00:38:43.000 It helps me understand where people are coming from.

00:38:45.000 How am I going to understand where he's coming from unless, if I'm not one to seek out his content, unless someone like you is moderating a forum like this?

00:38:52.000 It just, it makes perfect sense to me.

00:38:54.000 And the key to media, the key to getting people's attention right now is you have to do something unique.

00:38:57.000 You have to do something original.

00:38:59.000 And where else you're Getting a debate like this.

00:39:01.000 I haven't seen one in forever.

00:39:02.000 Well, thank you.

00:39:03.000 And by the way, it is one that our students especially are seeking clarity on.

00:39:08.000 Yeah.

00:39:08.000 They don't really know how they stand on these issues.

00:39:10.000 They don't really, because they're told one thing.

00:39:13.000 And what I was, what I was, the biggest takeaway is like, Charlie, thank you.

00:39:16.000 I have more clarity of how now I'm going to think about this.

00:39:19.000 Their mind is not going to be made up in an instant.

00:39:23.000 These things are culminating over periods of time.

00:39:26.000 And again, we have Josh Hammer coming on later in the show.

00:39:28.000 I encourage everyone to watch it.

00:39:29.000 It's on our YouTube channel.

00:39:30.000 We're posting it on our podcast.

00:39:32.000 It's on our X feed.

00:39:33.000 It already has millions of views.

00:39:35.000 The way I moderate it, though, because I watch a lot of debates and I participate in a lot of debates, what ends up happening is debater A and debated B start talking past each other and you end up discussing a nuanced portion of the rabbit hole that nobody in the audience cares about.

00:39:50.000 So they were talking about like something in like a prime minister of Israel in 2002.

00:39:54.000 I'm like, guys, this is no one knows what you are talking about, okay?

00:39:58.000 Or the barracks bombing in 1983.

00:40:00.000 So it's the moderator's job to try to bring it back into a place where the audience can actually follow it.

00:40:05.000 Otherwise, they're like, no, the 16th point you made is incorrect.

00:40:10.000 No, my 16th point is right.

00:40:12.000 And you miss number one, two, or three.

00:40:15.000 Yeah.

00:40:16.000 And so I also, I can't stand when, you know, there's interruptions of debates.

00:40:20.000 Right.

00:40:21.000 And it's just, it's very important to try to keep decorum.

00:40:26.000 And Alex, wouldn't you say, though, this makes it a lot different than the Democrats?

00:40:30.000 Would you ever find a Democrat conference where they would have a debate like this in front?

00:40:37.000 I don't think so, right?

00:40:38.000 So if you want to go back into my history in the conservative movement, I've been, I think, I don't think it's overly, I know it's self-praise, but I've been, I think, had some of the most longevity and effectiveness in the conservative movement over the last few.

00:40:53.000 It all started when I was at UC Berkeley, and I thought I was a libertarian.

00:40:56.000 But at UC Berkeley, there's only one conservative club, the College Republicans.

00:41:00.000 And I just showed up because I thought, I think I'm a political guy.

00:41:03.000 I think I'm a conservative.

00:41:04.000 I'm going to go.

00:41:05.000 And they would do debates amongst themselves.

00:41:07.000 They would have the Ron Paul libertarians who were sort of no war, very limited government.

00:41:12.000 And then you would have the George Bush style Republicans who were huge government, every war.

00:41:17.000 They agreed on nothing and yet somehow we were in the same club.

00:41:20.000 And I found that to be utterly fascinating.

00:41:22.000 And so if that's the moment we're in, it's fine with me.

00:41:26.000 I'm a pro-Israel guy.

00:41:27.000 I tend to give Israel the benefit of the doubt on a personal level, but I don't mind being challenged.

00:41:31.000 And if you do, then grow up, stop being a baby.

00:41:34.000 Yes.

00:41:34.000 And doesn't it make us stronger?

00:41:36.000 And look, I have a lot of sympathy for the Ron Paul stuff.

00:41:37.000 There's so much stuff that Ron Paul said that what it did is it made me at least reconsider certain foreign policy doctrine and dogma and definitely made me less neoconservative.

00:41:46.000 But I don't agree with everything that Ron Paul said to legalize all drugs.

00:41:49.000 And, you know, come on. 0.98

00:41:50.000 No, that stuff is silly.

00:41:53.000 But I want to just kind of get to a point here, which is that here's a question then, Alex.

00:41:58.000 Then where do we draw the line?

00:42:00.000 Who then do we not platform?

00:42:02.000 What criteria then would you submit?

00:42:04.000 Again, I'm running the event.

00:42:06.000 You know, you're a great advisor.

00:42:08.000 What would a matrix criteria be for such a thing?

00:42:13.000 Here's where my criteria is.

00:42:15.000 Either you're a good faith actor or bad faith actor.

00:42:17.000 It's very easy.

00:42:18.000 It's self-evident to use a Jeffersonian phrase.

00:42:21.000 If you're a self-evidently bad faith actor, you're not going to get a platform from me or our organization.

00:42:28.000 Yeah, here's the thing that I would say to you in private trailer, I'll try to say it exactly the same in public as I would say it in private.

00:42:33.000 A lot of your power, if not all of your power, is because you've built a lot of credibility within conservative politics, which is legitimate power.

00:42:41.000 And that when you weigh in on something politically, when you're leading your herd somewhere politically, it makes a difference.

00:42:46.000 And you don't want to waste that for just for a few extra clicks.

00:42:52.000 And we are in a media economy where attention-seeking behavior is rewarded right now.

00:42:57.000 Whether it's good or bad attention, it is rewarded in the marketplace, in this sort of podcast marketplace that we're in.

00:43:04.000 And you have to pay attention to people who, if they're tipping a little bit into the, I'm just trying to get attention and clicks at the expense of substantive arguments, at the expense of seeking out truth and what is productive for the movement, not just over the next three weeks, but over the next 30 years, then I feel like it's probably not worth the time.

00:43:23.000 But that said, you can always check yourself by trying something new.

00:43:27.000 And I always remind myself of this at Breitbart News.

00:43:29.000 If I feel like I'm too set my ways, I'll try to do something different just in order to try to challenge myself and see what it's like and to test waters.

00:43:36.000 So you're free to do that.

00:43:37.000 You should feel emboldened to make mistakes even.

00:43:40.000 But overall, if you feel like you could be eroding some of the trust people have built in you politically, then I feel like you think about.

00:43:48.000 Again, this is for me to decide because I'm in charge.

00:43:50.000 And yeah, they could say whatever they want.

00:43:53.000 I have to make the decision.

00:43:54.000 Are you seeking to be a statesman or a philosopher or are you a performer or an actor?

00:43:59.000 Which in the ancient virtues were the lowest of all the ancient virtues.

00:44:02.000 So again, if we have the appearance over lots of period of time that you're just like trying to basically be a court jester and you're a bad faith person to just try to get clicks and there's not deeply held beliefs or it can be explained with prudence or wisdom or at least to have some sort of admission or reconciliation towards wisdom, then, you know, you're not going to come on stage.

00:44:24.000 Criticizing is hard, building is hard, coalitions are hard, but Sudan Action Summit was a major success.

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00:45:38.000 Alex, you were around the conference in Tampa.

00:45:41.000 What did you learn from the students?

00:45:43.000 What did open your eyes about how they're feeling, what they're sensing from a political standpoint?

00:45:48.000 Because it was buzzing with youthful energy.

00:45:50.000 That which I wish most of our leaders would take time to seek to understand.

00:45:55.000 Alex Marlowe.

00:45:56.000 Yeah, it's really important to understand this.

00:45:58.000 So they want to be reached.

00:45:59.000 They want to be talked to.

00:46:01.000 They want to be respected.

00:46:02.000 And one of the reasons why is because they're leaving these online lives and they don't get that physical interaction.

00:46:08.000 I mean, it just seeing people, it's such a pleasure for them to see the people who are their favorite characters in the, because this is Charlie, we know we're witnessing the greatest movie of all time, the Trump era of American politics.

00:46:20.000 We've never seen anything like it.

00:46:21.000 It's the most entertaining thing ever.

00:46:23.000 And these are their characters and they see them show up in person and they're talking to them and tailoring messages to them.

00:46:29.000 It just really delights them.

00:46:30.000 So it's really important for them to do this.

00:46:32.000 And I'm glad that you keep getting these great rosters of speakers.

00:46:36.000 But they're also so much smarter than, I mean, I'm not exactly an old guy, but when I was on the campuses 20 years ago, 18 years ago, whatever it was, I didn't have a fraction of the information as the normal person does who's just going around these campuses because of the internet, because of the access to information.

00:46:50.000 So these are incredibly smart people and they're very moldable.

00:46:54.000 And so, but they have to be respected too, because they like agency, they like dignity.

00:46:59.000 So, I mean, it really is terrific to get to understand what's important to them and what interests them and what draws them into the political fray.

00:47:06.000 What would you say?

00:47:08.000 Because there's like a couple major issues, aid to Ukraine, mass deportation slash some, not President Trump whispering amnesty.

00:47:18.000 What were some of the biggest issues that you were hearing about?

00:47:21.000 I know Epstein got a lot of attention.

00:47:23.000 I don't want to talk much about that.

00:47:25.000 Okay, I think we've exhausted it.

00:47:27.000 I told people in the audience, like, I am trusting my friends in the administration to proceed.

00:47:32.000 The ball is in their court.

00:47:33.000 Cash, you're the man.

00:47:34.000 Bongino, you're the man.

00:47:35.000 Pam, great friend.

00:47:37.000 Ball is in your court.

00:47:38.000 Take it, run with it.

00:47:38.000 I have the full faith.

00:47:39.000 I think all that is said has needed to be said this last week.

00:47:43.000 And it's just repeating the same thing over and over again.

00:47:45.000 But what else, what was like the most shocking thing that you wish an average older conservative could learn from what you saw at the event or the conference?

00:47:53.000 Yeah, but I think the Epstein thing, what's important about it that's worth mentioning is that the transparency thing is a big deal and authenticity and feeling like you can trust the government is a big deal and overpromising and under delivering is going to affect newer voters to the coalition.

00:48:10.000 And I'll tell you, Charlie, for my audience, I had put a lot of cold water that we were ever going to get great answers on Epstein.

00:48:17.000 I figured they were either too complicated to release and they could really interfere with the lives of innocent people, or it wasn't as bad as people thought.

00:48:28.000 I mean, we knew it was bad, obviously, but that stuff was out there.

00:48:31.000 So I was always very skeptical we'd get much, but it's the overpromising from certain members of the administration that things were going to come out.

00:48:38.000 That's the real problem.

00:48:39.000 And that's the point is the authenticity and the transparency really makes a big deal.

00:48:44.000 They do not want to go and fight useless wars for other countries.

00:48:47.000 That is flat out.

00:48:48.000 And that's why it is, I think that's a very important pressure because I think the way Trump handled the Iran situation was perfect. 0.64

00:48:55.000 But I think a World War III or ground war is totally, it would be intolerable to the whole nation.

00:49:00.000 So it's good to see that.

00:49:02.000 And I do think there is a deeper concern that the system is rigged to favor a few people, the very, very top.

00:49:08.000 And that is something that the right is not, I don't think we're grappling with that.

00:49:13.000 And you brought this up as much as anyone, Charlie, that if we don't figure out a way to message on this issue, we run the risk of seeing the Mamdanis rise who have terrible ideas, but you say it with a smiley face and maybe you say it persuasively, and it could get through to some low-information people. 0.95

00:49:29.000 And if we do not have more young people be able to own homes and stop renting, political radicalism will rise.

00:49:37.000 Political radicalism will set in to the nation and the country.

00:49:43.000 Final question here, Alex Marlowe.

00:49:45.000 Biden auto pen.

00:49:47.000 You've covered Biden a lot.

00:49:48.000 I got to let you riff on this.

00:49:50.000 Yeah, this is exactly what we thought we were getting when we had heard that this was the best case scenario in terms of people who think the Biden administration was basically illegitimate.

00:50:02.000 When you see that he did not approve many of the names pardoned with the auto pen, this is where the legal apparatus, if worked effectively, can start unraveling parts of his administration.

00:50:12.000 Because if we can determine that was in fact illegal, and it should be, the president's supposed to sign this stuff, whoever came with his auto pen, it is for certain things, for certain things, maybe they'll determine it was okay.

00:50:23.000 But for certain things, this is absolutely illegitimate.

00:50:26.000 This could open up some of those investigations to try to get justice for President Trump and for the American people who got railroaded by this guy.

00:50:33.000 So I'm not surprised, but I'm very heartened that we now have attack vectors in terms of trying to unravel some of the horrible stuff Biden did.

00:50:42.000 Alex Marlow, check it out.

00:50:43.000 Breitbart.com does excellent work.

00:50:46.000 Alex, thank you so much.

00:50:47.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:50:50.000 Joining us now is Josh Hammer.

00:50:52.000 Josh, great to see you again.

00:50:53.000 We were on stage together yesterday.

00:50:56.000 I guess to make it fair, we should have Dave Smith also on the show, but we could have Dave back on at another time.

00:51:00.000 But Dave, Josh, I do want to take this opportunity just to promote the debate for those that haven't seen it to recap it.

00:51:07.000 So Josh, I want to get your opinion.

00:51:09.000 Then we're going to play some pieces of tape.

00:51:11.000 And then Josh, I want to give you an opportunity to maybe finish some points that you might not have had time to do so.

00:51:18.000 But first, Josh, your impression, your experience at the Turning Point USA High Profile Israel debate.

00:51:24.000 Well, first of all, Charlie, thank you for the invitation to appear at the debate.

00:51:27.000 And thank you for moderating it.

00:51:28.000 You moderated an outstanding debate.

00:51:30.000 I told you in person afterwards that I thought it was 10 out of 10.

00:51:33.000 You did a fantastic job there.

00:51:34.000 Thank you.

00:51:35.000 Look, it's a very emotional topic and emotions run high there, but there were a lot of substantive points on both sides.

00:51:41.000 One of the things that I wanted to do, and now that we've already seen what happened, I think it's very clear in retrospect that it was a deliberate, one of many deliberate tactics on my end to try to make sure that the people there understand and the audience watching at home and around the world, that MAGA and America first and the Trump doctrine of foreign policy Simply does not mean what libertarian isolationists like Dave Smith think that it means or what they think it ought to mean.

00:52:06.000 The Trump doctrine of foreign policy is a nationalist, realist foreign policy.

00:52:10.000 It is a third-way foreign policy between the equally absurd extremes of neoconservatism on the one end and isolationism on the other end.

00:52:18.000 And Charlie, that was a theme that I tried to hit over and over and over again through the course of this debate.

00:52:23.000 It was a very lively audience.

00:52:24.000 The audience was super engaged there.

00:52:26.000 All sorts of applause lines, I thought, for both of us, the occasional boo at times as well.

00:52:30.000 But it was an incredibly enriching and rewarding experience.

00:52:33.000 And I'm deeply happy that I did it.

00:52:35.000 Yeah.

00:52:35.000 And so I want to play some pieces of tape, but I want to congratulate both you and Dave.

00:52:39.000 Usually on Sunday, the rule at works, the rule at Turning Point USA events is Sunday, we'll be lucky to have like one-third of the room filled.

00:52:50.000 It's just the way it is.

00:52:51.000 People fly home.

00:52:52.000 They're like, okay, they had a long night the night before.

00:52:55.000 But it was packed.

00:52:57.000 I mean, it was the most packed closing to a summit we've ever had outside of having Trump or something like that, obviously.

00:53:03.000 So let's just play some pieces of tape here that have gone viral.

00:53:07.000 But first, I want to go to a piece of agreement that I think is important.

00:53:10.000 I want to first play Cut 257, where I throw it down and I say, look, you can criticize the Netanyahu government.

00:53:20.000 Great, Dave.

00:53:21.000 Josh, you know, you can have a view on, you know, Irani intervention, but we're not going to put up with this Jew hate stuff.

00:53:27.000 It's not going to happen. 0.67

00:53:28.000 We're not going to put up with it.

00:53:29.000 Play cut 257.

00:53:31.000 There is a rise of I just think some disgusting stuff online.

00:53:34.000 I'm not blaming you for this.

00:53:35.000 I'm not one of those people, right?

00:53:37.000 But what do you have to say that there's this like dark Jew hate out there?

00:53:43.000 And you see it and I see it. 0.99

00:53:44.000 I hate it.

00:53:45.000 It's not good.

00:53:46.000 And everyone in this audience, guys, don't get yourself involved in that.

00:53:49.000 I'm telling you, it will rot your brain.

00:53:51.000 It's bad for your soul.

00:53:52.000 It's bad.

00:53:53.000 It's evil.

00:53:54.000 I think it's demonic.

00:53:56.000 Josh, I think that was an important point.

00:53:59.000 Dave agreed, and it really kind of fenced in where this is what I think good faith argumentation versus kind of the slop that we see emerge far too often online.

00:54:10.000 Yeah, and this is the critical distinction.

00:54:12.000 Look, there are so many parts of U.S.-Israel relations, of U.S. involvement in the Middle East more generally, U.S. involvement in the 12-day war against Iran.

00:54:22.000 I think all of this is totally fair game.

00:54:24.000 What should the level of U.S. aid to Israel, what should it be?

00:54:27.000 Should there actually be aid?

00:54:29.000 Dave and I actually agree that aid should be phased out.

00:54:32.000 We disagree on the timeframe, but we broadly agree that U.S. aid to Israel ends up being something of a mutual bear hug that, in my judgment, actually ends up undermining both the United States and Israel in the mid to long term.

00:54:43.000 So there was actually no small amount of agreement when you kind of go between the lines there.

00:54:49.000 But this clip that we just saw, Charlie, is so important.

00:54:51.000 And throughout your entire career, you've just been such a stalwart friend of the Jewish people, defender of the Jewish people.

00:54:56.000 Charlie, you and I are friends, we talk a lot offline.

00:54:58.000 And, you know, I've told you that what you go through on college campuses, when you have these crazy people that have gone down these rabbit holes on social media that are talking to you, Charlie Kirk, a young evangelical Christian about what is in the Talmud, first of all, my heart breaks that this is where we are in the year 2025, that a young conservative Christian is being asked to defend the Talmud.

00:55:21.000 It's just an utterly absurd thing.

00:55:23.000 On its face, it is just totally absurd.

00:55:25.000 But more importantly, you do an amazing job with it, an absolutely amazing job of defending the dignity of the Jewish people, the dignity of the Jewish state of Israel there.

00:55:33.000 So God bless you and thank you for all you've done throughout your career to defend the Jewish people and the Jewish state.

00:55:37.000 I think the crowd and everyone watching at home saw that yet again yesterday.

00:55:41.000 Thank you for saying that.

00:55:43.000 And that is such a good point.

00:55:44.000 And look, some people are, you know, oh, Charlie, how dare you platform?

00:55:48.000 Can you respond to that, Josh?

00:55:49.000 Because they're saying, you know, why'd you platform Dave Smith? 0.95

00:55:52.000 By the way, I mean, I think that's ridiculous.

00:55:54.000 But you act, it was a debate.

00:55:56.000 Obviously, you know, I think we actually get stronger through debate.

00:56:00.000 We should be unafraid to have those kind of discussions.

00:56:03.000 How would you respond to that, Josh?

00:56:04.000 So first of all, this actually was not my first time debating Dave Smith, Charlie.

00:56:08.000 I actually debated him back in February at Princeton University in New Jersey as part of the Steamboat Institute's Campus Liberty Tour, I think is the exact name for that tour.

00:56:16.000 So this is my second time in just six months debating him.

00:56:18.000 So if people are blaming Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA for throwing Dave Smith into a debate, then they probably have other organizations to blame as well.

00:56:27.000 Look, Dave Smith, for better or for worse, your mileage may vary.

00:56:30.000 I obviously am not a fan to put a mileage of what the guy says.

00:56:34.000 I think a lot of it is egregiously wrong to the point at times of just being utterly offensively wrong.

00:56:39.000 But he has a platform and people, especially a lot of younger people, really, really, really tend to do glamant to what he says and to take what he says seriously.

00:56:48.000 And to the extent that we're debating legitimate substantive issues, what is the nature of U.S.-Israel relations?

00:56:54.000 What should U.S.-Israel relations look like?

00:56:56.000 I think that is entirely, legitimately fair game.

00:56:58.000 Now, Charlie, it would have been very different if we had gone there on that stage and you, as the moderator, had said, okay, you know, Josh and Dave, why don't you debate whether Israel is a Nazi enterprise committing a Nazi-esque holocaust in Gaza, God forbid?

00:57:12.000 Or let's debate whether Israel is an apartheid state.

00:57:14.000 I mean, you know, there are some things that I think definitely should not be subject to a legitimate debate, especially at a high-profile, highly influential conference like TPUSA's Student Action Summit.

00:57:24.000 But that's not what we did on stage yesterday, and I'm really just quite pleased with how it went.

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00:58:26.000 I want to play one more piece of tape here, but now I want to get, let's just play this here.

00:58:30.000 This is towards the end, and the agreements, and let's just go through.

00:58:35.000 You and Dave both agreed on a sunsetting of aid to Israel, that the United States should decouple.

00:58:42.000 And i've said this for a while by the way bibi netanyahu has also said this that if israel is betting on the domestic support of the american body politic that is a risky support a risky bet things can change over time let's go to the agreements let's go to cut 254.

00:59:02.000 i want to just summarize this was time well spent both dave and josh agree on some plan to wind down u.s-israel aid that was an agreement correct my the timeline you could debate about number two they both say every human is made in the image of god and we should not trivialize when you know people are killed also i think we all agreed october 7th was awful it was terrible and it should be talked about more and it needs to be emphasized we also agree this jew hate stuff has no place in public discourse period end of story and i don't like it it's

00:59:32.000 disgusting, and we need to call it out when we see it.

00:59:34.000 And finally, I think the fifth is that I hope we demonstrated, and both our participants got a little lively at times, that this is a debate worth having, that it's better to have this out in the open than silence people and censor them and call them names.

00:59:50.000 Instead, this is how we solve our problems.

00:59:52.000 Give it up for Josh and Dave one last time, everybody.

00:59:54.000 Thank you.

00:59:55.000 So Josh, comment on the agreement.

00:59:57.000 So, you know, we talked a little bit about about about the a charlie but i'll just kind of reiterate my my

01:00:02.000 basic point here which is that u.s aid to israel i've been criticizing this arrangement for the past decade and in fact a pack first of all apac is not the boogeyman that a lot of people think that it is we had this conversation on stage yesterday they simply are not anywhere close to as powerful as i think a lot of people think that they are the easiest way to know that is that apac failed to stop barack obama's nuclear deal back in 2015 it was their number one priority of the entire decade and they failed but none nonetheless despite that point i'm not personally a fan of them because they exist

01:00:32.000 effectively in large part to get these large-scale and annual aid appropriations roughly 3.8 billion dollars in the most recent aid package every year from the u.s to israel now in my opinion that aid ends up being harmful to both countries from the from the united states' perspective it does end up being a crony capitalist bit of the military industrial complex that president dwight eisenhower famously warned about in his farewell address you end up essentially subsidizing Boeing North or Grumman,

01:01:00.000 very large fat cat defense contractors, people, you know, the kind of companies that Lindsey Graham lobbies for.

01:01:05.000 You frankly don't need any more money flowing into their coffers.

01:01:08.000 But from Israel's perspective, you know, they should understand, I think, Israel, that the more that they are reliant on foreign aid, the more that you embolden other countries that are not, in this case, Israel, to essentially wag a finger and know you can't do XYZ thing or else we're going to cut off your aid.

01:01:24.000 We saw that time and time again from the Biden administration in particular after October 7th.

01:01:28.000 And if you actually believe in Zionism, Charlie, Zionism is this word that has been tarred and feathered by the jihadis, the Kafiya-clad radicals on campuses. 0.85

01:01:36.000 Zionism is a very simple and actually beautiful concept. 0.85

01:01:39.000 It is the notion rooted, I would argue, in the book of Genesis, no less, that the Jewish people have a God-given ancestral biblical right to their homeland.

01:01:47.000 That's literally all that Zionism is. 0.94

01:01:49.000 So if you believe with that very simple rudimentary proposition, it stands to reason that the Jewish people actually should determine that and that they should not be reliant on anyone ultimately other than themselves to the extent possible there.

01:02:01.000 So I think that this aid arrangement ends up undermining both countries' interests in the mid to long term.

01:02:05.000 Again, I think Dave and I disagree very much on the timeframe.

01:02:09.000 I wouldn't cut that off, God forbid, in the middle of an active seven-front war, the likes of which Israel has been facing since October 7th.

01:02:15.000 But I definitely think that in the mid to long term, it would be a good idea for both countries.

01:02:19.000 And just really briefly on the Genesis 127 point, Charlie, in my book, Israel and Civilization, I talk about how Genesis chapter 1, verse 27, the divine image imperative, Betsel Melachim, we would say in the Hebrew, a Mago Dei, for our Catholic friends in the Latin, this is the foundational ethical, moral imperative of all of Western civilization, literally everything.

01:02:40.000 In fact, I argue that Thomas Jefferson never would have been able to write the words that he wrote in the Declaration of Independence.

01:02:46.000 We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal.

01:02:49.000 Well, where is he getting that from?

01:02:51.000 The 14th Amendment's sweeping claim of equal protection in Section 1, the 14th Amendment, the Equal Protection Clause, where is that coming from?

01:02:57.000 Martin Luther King's speech in Washington, the Civil Rights Act in 1964, all these sweeping moral assertions of genuine human equality in the American legal and moral order, it has its root.

01:03:09.000 That root is the Hebrew Bible, and that root is Genesis 127.

01:03:12.000 So yes, we obviously all care about the dignity and the humanity of every single human being across the world.

01:03:18.000 And it's very important, no matter what conflict we're discussing, whether it's Gaza, whether it's the Yemeni civil war or anything there.

01:03:24.000 And I do think it's curious, by the way, that a lot of people tend to assert this concern when it comes just to Gaza, but tend to be a little silenced when it comes to Yemen or Syria or Boko Haram in Nigeria and so forth.

01:03:35.000 So I will call them out for some hypocrisy there, but I try to be consistent in trying to believe in Genesis 1.27, what that means for all conflicts all throughout the world.

01:03:43.000 Josh, what points do you wish you would have made or that you would have made more completely had you had more time?

01:03:48.000 Charlie, I would have liked to have a little more time.

01:03:50.000 To be clear, this is not your fault.

01:03:52.000 This is just the nature of how these debates go.

01:03:54.000 But I would have liked to have taken a little more time to explain the proactive humanitarian measures that the Israeli military takes in Gaza to prevent civilian casualties.

01:04:05.000 There was a lot of exchange, a lot of accusations.

01:04:08.000 Dave Smith and people who agree with Dave Smith tend to oftentimes accuse Israel of doing terrible things, of slaughtering babies, of indiscriminately just opening fire.

01:04:17.000 Now, on the debate, which I agree everyone should go ahead and check out the debate, I did talk a little bit about how we actually have some numbers when it comes to civilian to combatant death ratio, 1 to 1.5, as crunched by John Spencer, the head of urban warfare studies at West Point, a number that he says is the lowest in the entire history of recorded urban warfare, literally ever.

01:04:37.000 So the most humane.

01:04:38.000 But I would have liked to explain a little bit more about how the IDF, going back at least as far as the 2014 war in Gaza, arguably as far back, I think maybe as even the prior conflict 2012, they will literally drop leaflets out of the sky onto buildings.

01:04:52.000 They will individually call up apartment buildings and stores and houses and say there is going to be a military operation here because there Is a Hamas facility headquartered, as the case may be, in the mosque where you are, or in the housing area where you are there.

01:05:06.000 So, we're going to have to take care of this.

01:05:08.000 So, you have 30, 60 minutes, two hours, four hours, whatever it is, to basically get the heck out of Dodge.

01:05:14.000 They do this all the time there.

01:05:16.000 So, look, in many ways, Israel is the IDF, along with the U.S. Army, is the most moral warfighting machine in the modern history of the world.

01:05:23.000 So, these continued allegations of just effectively just trying to turn the old blood libel smear and then turn it on the Jewish military when it comes to Gaza is really just a frankly despicable lie.

01:05:34.000 And I would have liked to have taken a little more time to explain why it simply is not the case there.

01:05:39.000 Because again, they go above and beyond Charlie.

01:05:42.000 Sometimes, frankly, even some folks in the U.S. military have looked at what Israel does, and I've heard some veterans say, wow, I mean, we would never do such a thing there. 1.00

01:05:49.000 So, you know, we complain a lot about how Barack Obama put overly restrictive rules of engagement on our own boys here in the U.S. military.

01:05:55.000 Israel goes so far, arguably one might even argue, but perhaps at times too far to impose ultra, ultra, ultra strict rules of engagement on their own forces, all trying to basically appease these nefarious and scandalous allegations of indiscriminately slaughtering children, none of which is even remotely true.

01:06:12.000 In closing here, Josh, what would you say is the takeaway of how young people are viewing this issue and what you maybe learned throughout the debate on a better way to keep framing it to win over younger people?

01:06:25.000 Charlie, look, you and I are in our 30s.

01:06:28.000 At least I think you're in your 30s.

01:06:29.000 You know, we're 36.

01:06:31.000 Yeah, I'm 36.

01:06:31.000 So we're effectively the same age.

01:06:33.000 And we grew up in the context and in the immediate aftermath of the failed regime change, moralistic boondoggles in Iraq and Afghanistan.

01:06:41.000 And for younger millennials and Gen Z who grew up in this context, they rightfully are skeptical when it comes to U.S. military involvement overseas.

01:06:51.000 I think that Operation Midnight Hammer, Trump's 12-day war, the 37-hour B-2 bomber runs in Iran, could potentially be an inflection point in showing to young people that not every use of American military force.

01:07:02.000 Trump did the same thing with Qasem Suleimani and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the head of ISIS, by the way, back during his first term.

01:07:08.000 I think he has shown yet again with this extraordinarily successful surgical strike in Iran, a strike, by the way, that would not have been possible were it not for the IDF essentially neutralizing the Iranian air control and missile launchers and all that there.

01:07:21.000 But with this strike, I think that Donald Trump has highlighted for young people for maybe the first time in their lives, what a truly surgical strike, nationalist realists, bomb the crap out of our enemies who want to kill us and then get the heck out, what that kind of foreign policy can actually look like.

01:07:36.000 Charlie, it is the Trump doctrine in action, as I've been arguing for the past month.

01:07:40.000 And I'm just proud to call this man commander-in-chief because, again, he fulfilled multiple campaign promises with one strike of the blow.

01:07:48.000 He has set Iran's nuclear ambitions back by many years on the one hand.

01:07:52.000 And two, he did so without starting a war, without a single American casualty.

01:07:56.000 Check out the Josh Hammer show and check out newsweek.com.

01:07:58.000 Josh, thank you so much.

01:07:59.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:08:01.000 Email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:08:03.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - July 14, 2025

How To Build a Permanent Conservative Realignment For Gen Z

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