The Charlie Kirk Show - How To Build Real Love Instead of Toxic Empathy: LIVE with Allie Beth Stuckey at Dream City Church

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00:01:24.000 So we have a very, very special guest tonight.

00:01:27.000 I've known Allie for probably five or six years.

00:01:30.000 Allie is one of the most important voices in the Christian community and definitely the Christian conservative community.

00:01:37.000 She has an amazingly successful podcast.

00:01:40.000 It's called Relatable, right?

00:01:42.000 Am I right?

00:01:44.000 I don't listen to every episode, but I listen to it frequently.

00:01:47.000 And what I love about Allie's approach is that I will say almost the same thing that Allie says.

00:01:52.000 She just said it so much sweeter than I do.

00:01:56.000 And I'll listen to it.

00:01:57.000 I'm like, yeah, I probably could have said it like that.

00:01:58.000 Probably could have said it like that.

00:02:00.000 I mean, you know my style, right?

00:02:01.000 We don't really cushion things very much.

00:02:04.000 We're straight to the point.

00:02:05.000 But it's not that Allie cushions it.

00:02:07.000 It's just that she has an amazingly godly way of communicating hard truths and biblical truths.

00:02:13.000 In a world where young ladies are lacking role models, she is a godly role model, a mother, a wife, someone who understands the scriptures very well, and somebody that we're just honored to partner with.

00:02:27.000 She is very, very gifted and not afraid to bring the heat against this broken culture. 0.50

00:02:33.000 So join me in welcoming Allie Beth Stuckey.

00:02:53.000 Hello.

00:02:53.000 Thank you so much for having me.

00:02:55.000 This is my first time to Dream City.

00:02:58.000 And so thank you so much for that warm welcome.

00:03:01.000 This is really an exciting week.

00:03:03.000 YWLS, the first time I spoke at YWLS, I think was 2018.

00:03:09.000 It was a lot smaller than it is now.

00:03:12.000 And oh my goodness, it's grown.

00:03:14.000 Every time I speak, I always say, this is my favorite event ever just because of the energy of all the women there.

00:03:21.000 And it's very unique because we say biological females only, because that's the only type of female there is. 0.97

00:03:27.000 Yeah, we have to qualify that these days.

00:03:30.000 Yep.

00:03:31.000 And anyway, you'll be able to watch it online.

00:03:33.000 Again, nearly 2,000 young women from across the country will be gathering in San Antonio, Texas this weekend.

00:03:40.000 It's a remarkable thing, all becoming force multipliers.

00:03:43.000 Allie, why don't you just take a second, introduce yourself, the books you've written, your podcast, just introduce yourself to the audience.

00:03:50.000 Sure.

00:03:51.000 So my name is Allie Stuckey, and I am a wife and a mom of three girls.

00:03:56.000 So that's more important or most important underneath my relationship with Jesus Christ, my desire to make him known is my vocation as a wife and mom.

00:04:06.000 But then also, I host this podcast called Relatable.

00:04:09.000 Good job getting the title of that right, Charlie, where we analyze news culture, politics, theology from a Christian conservative perspective.

00:04:20.000 And I talk to mostly women ages 25 to 45 about the importance of building a biblical worldview.

00:04:29.000 And the reason I did it, it was not the exact same story as Charlie's when he thought of turning point, but it was a little similar in that I was driving one day and I just realized, oh, this is a big problem.

00:04:42.000 Not 2012, this was probably 2016.

00:04:46.000 I was living in a pretty conservative college town in Athens, Georgia, used to be conservative.

00:04:52.000 And I was looking around and thinking, all of these young women who claim to be Christian, who were raised in these solid homes.

00:05:00.000 This was, of course, the election of Trump and Hillary Clinton.

00:05:05.000 And they did not know anything that was at stake in the election.

00:05:09.000 They didn't know who they were going to vote for.

00:05:12.000 I was leading a Bible study at the time.

00:05:14.000 I was a year out of college.

00:05:16.000 I was leading a freshman Bible study.

00:05:18.000 One of the sweet girls in my Bible study, who was so smart, she told me that she loved Bernie Sanders.

00:05:27.000 And that is when I realized, okay, we've got some work to do.

00:05:34.000 And so I speak to mostly Christian women.

00:05:38.000 And by the way, she is a wife, mom, Trump voting conservative, Republican today, thankfully, by the grace of God.

00:05:48.000 But anyway, and so that's why I started to do what I do now.

00:05:54.000 I'm speaking to mostly Christian women.

00:05:57.000 Okay, what does the Bible say about these issues?

00:06:00.000 How do we approach these very controversial topics today that honestly most Christian female leaders are really wishy-washy, really mushy, really weak on? 1.00

00:06:12.000 What does the Bible say about these things?

00:06:14.000 And of course, I'm not the perfect arbiter of what the Bible says about everything, but my goal is to help us do our best in building our worldview on scripture.

00:06:25.000 So that's basically my mission.

00:06:27.000 And Allie is one of our most requested speakers at Turning Point USA.

00:06:32.000 And we did a campus event together in Auburn.

00:06:35.000 And I think that clip has been sent to me.

00:06:38.000 Like 50 or 60 million times where a young lady came up and asked me, where's my criminology degree or something? 0.99

00:06:44.000 It was quite an interaction.

00:06:46.000 Allie, let's dive right into it.

00:06:48.000 So frequently you'll hear that there's a crisis of masculinity in America.

00:06:52.000 Do you think that there is a crisis equally as much of femininity?

00:06:57.000 Yeah, I think that's a great question.

00:06:59.000 And of course they look different.

00:07:01.000 And I think it really goes all the way back to the Garden of Eden.

00:07:04.000 We're seeing that reflected in the West today or maybe just in the world today when you look back at Adam's sin, the sin of passivity when he stood there as Eve listened to the serpent and took the bite that she shouldn't have taken.

00:07:18.000 And then Eve hearing and being tempted to be convinced by the question, did God really say?

00:07:28.000 And I still see that manifesting itself today among men and women.

00:07:35.000 Women being tempted by this very deceptive and cunning question, but did God really say? 0.96

00:07:44.000 Did God really say on the issue of marriage or on the issue of gender, on the issue of gender roles, whatever it is that the culture today deems controversial, did God really say?

00:07:58.000 I like to say that women, I don't like to say it, but I do say it, that women are typically tempted by something that I call toxic empathy. 0.99

00:08:07.000 Because we are feelings-based, because we have sympathy and have empathy for those who are on the margins and we really want to build relationships, we very often can confuse empathy for love.

00:08:22.000 And we very often can obscure the truth just because we want to affirm how someone feels.

00:08:28.000 And that gets a lot of women, even Christian women, in very unbiblical territory when it comes to social justice, when it comes to LGBTQ, when it comes to all kinds of issues that women have a lot of maybe rightful feelings about, but our feelings cannot obscure what the Word of God says about these things.

00:08:51.000 And so I try to navigate that as much as I can.

00:08:54.000 So the idea of male and female differences, that's a distinction that is fundamental to any society, which is one of the reasons why Satan tries to obscure those differences.

00:09:05.000 Those differences are beautiful, and those distinctions are necessary for us to be able to live in a free society and live in a civil society.

00:09:13.000 And we're seeing those eradicated on a daily basis.

00:09:17.000 I got in a lot of trouble recently when I said, you might remember, and you defended me, by the way, very nicely on social media, where I, and I didn't say it as politely as Allie would have said it, but I said, young ladies, be careful prioritizing career over family formation, because you might end up in your early 30s with a career, but no family and lots of cats. 0.52

00:09:41.000 I got in a lot of trouble for saying that.

00:09:43.000 I don't care.

00:09:45.000 So why talk broadly about that?

00:09:50.000 There is a trend, and you just mentioned this.

00:09:53.000 The most left-wing cohort in America are not black voters.

00:09:57.000 They're not Hispanic voters.

00:09:58.000 They are single, unmarried, career, college-educated young ladies living in the urban cities of this country that have made a conscious decision over a period of 10 or 15 years to not get into serious relationships and not prioritize family formation.

00:10:13.000 Talk about that.

00:10:14.000 Yes, many of those women have made that conscious decision. 1.00

00:10:18.000 They decided or they bought into this lie that has been propagated by the media that you can become a mom whenever. 0.96

00:10:26.000 You can get married whenever.

00:10:28.000 And really right now, you just need to focus on you.

00:10:31.000 You need to find yourself.

00:10:32.000 You need to learn how to love yourself first.

00:10:35.000 If you don't fully know yourself and love yourself and discover yourself and fulfill and empower yourself, then you'll never be able to be a good wife and mom and have other good relationships.

00:10:46.000 Well, what happens when you believe that lie?

00:10:48.000 Because it's not true, this whole thing that you can't love other people until you perfectly love yourself.

00:10:55.000 I think that's actually a lie from the pit of hell that Satan uses to defer us from loving other people because we'll never perfectly love ourselves.

00:11:04.000 And by the way, we're not even called to focus on loving ourselves at all.

00:11:07.000 That's an aside.

00:11:09.000 But women, we believe this self-empowerment talk because it sounds good. 1.00

00:11:13.000 And so you believe that you can defer motherhood.

00:11:17.000 And in an age when we think that biology is arbitrary, the biology of male and female, but also the biology of reproduction and the female body, it sounds really convincing.

00:11:28.000 And then, like Charlie said, I may or may not have included cats as I was talking about this, but it's a fair point.

00:11:38.000 A lot of women end up realizing, oh, I didn't realize that this would be so difficult at this point.

00:11:47.000 I didn't realize that I wouldn't be able to find a man right away or get pregnant very easily just because that's how female, you know, biology tends to work. 1.00

00:11:58.000 Now, I will say, and this is what I also said on my show, because I have beautiful, godly, single, 30-something friends who are doing all the right things.

00:12:10.000 Who, yes, they have a career because what were they supposed to do?

00:12:14.000 But they've been going to church, they've been serving, they've been trying to meet the right guy, they just haven't met the right person.

00:12:20.000 And so I do also, I always want to give encouragement to that woman who feels like, oh my gosh, I've tried to do everything right and I haven't met the man that I'm going to marry.

00:12:32.000 And then they feel like, oh, Charlie Kirk thinks I'm the cat lady and I'm not.

00:12:37.000 I do want to speak to that woman because I have friends like that that are beautiful, godly women and total catches, and they just haven't found the right person. 1.00

00:12:45.000 Is that God can use you fully right now, where you are, no matter your relationship status and no matter whether you have children.

00:12:58.000 Is that your life doesn't?

00:13:01.000 Your life doesn't start at that point?

00:13:04.000 You're not in a holding pattern, you're not in some kind of earthly purgatory, you're not useless to the kingdom of God just because of your relationship status.

00:13:14.000 Satan wants you to think that you're not a full woman or you're not a full Christian until XYZ happens, and that is a lie that will steal your joy and that will steal your usefulness for the kingdom of God.

00:13:26.000 And so it's not a guarantee one that we're gonna get married.

00:13:29.000 It's not a guarantee that we'll have children hopefully, I mean, that's what people hope for.

00:13:34.000 But I just want you to know that if you want those things, God hasn't given you those things yet.

00:13:39.000 You're being, you know, placed in the right spot to try to have those things one day.

00:13:44.000 That you are still fully capable of being used by God right now, that's beautiful.

00:13:51.000 I totally agree.

00:13:52.000 I want to isolate something which tends to be more a female driven Eastern focus or emphasis, which is self-love.

00:14:03.000 So what is self-love?

00:14:05.000 And when I sometimes hear Christians tell me that we need more self-love, and I would love to like find the Bible verse like.

00:14:13.000 I mean I guess it says, love your neighbor as yourself that, but that's not exactly.

00:14:17.000 I mean we're supposed to love Jesus and love God.

00:14:19.000 I mean it says in Deuteronomy 6, 3 and 5, love the Lord, your God, with all your heart soul, strength and mind.

00:14:24.000 Is self-love biblical?

00:14:26.000 Yeah, you know, the only time we see this term self-love is when we are reading the description of the evils of the end times.

00:14:36.000 In the end times, people will be lovers of self.

00:14:41.000 And today we hear, oh no no, no.

00:14:43.000 That's basically gospel, that love your neighbor as yourself is also a command to love yourself.

00:14:49.000 No no no, No, that's not what Jesus is saying.

00:14:52.000 He's saying, Love your neighbor as yourself, because loving yourself is a given.

00:14:57.000 No man ever hated his own flesh but cherishes it.

00:15:01.000 Now, does that mean that we always like ourselves?

00:15:03.000 No, we don't always like ourselves.

00:15:05.000 We don't always like what we see when we look in the mirror.

00:15:07.000 Maybe we regret something that we did, or we wish we could change something about our personalities or our capabilities.

00:15:14.000 But we love ourselves innately in that we are always seeking to satisfy our own needs and wants, to quench our own thirst, to satisfy our own hunger.

00:15:24.000 So, in that way, that you so naturally seek to meet your own needs, Jesus is saying, seek to meet the needs of other people.

00:15:31.000 He's not talking about affection, he's not talking about liking your neighbor or liking yourself.

00:15:36.000 He is talking about a sacrificial kind of love that we already very naturally feel for ourselves.

00:15:42.000 We do not have a deficit of self-love in this country.

00:15:45.000 Oh my goodness, we do not have a deficit of self-love.

00:15:49.000 We have an overflowing of self-love.

00:15:51.000 We think about ourselves way too much.

00:15:55.000 We love ourselves way too much.

00:15:58.000 I saw an awful statistic on X today about how suicide rates are climbing and they're so much higher than they were just 10 years ago.

00:16:10.000 And it's so interesting because we have more self-love talk, more self-empowerment talk, less shame, less stigma, more tolerance, more acceptance of everything.

00:16:22.000 And still, we have this pandemic of despair.

00:16:26.000 I mean, to me, it seems obvious that despair has gone up as godlessness has gone up, right?

00:16:33.000 That as godlessness has increased, people have lost their joy, they've lost their purpose, they've lost their community, they've lost their hope, they've lost their faith in something bigger than themselves.

00:16:47.000 And when the God of scripture is no longer on the throne, then we put the God of self on the throne, and the God of self is a cruel God, and it leads to the kind of despair and discouragement that we're seeing today.

00:17:01.000 So, no, we don't need more self-love, we need a lot more of God's love, which looks very different.

00:17:09.000 And this is so important.

00:17:12.000 If you go into almost any public school here in Scottsdale or around the country, self-love is the state-run religion of K through 12 education.

00:17:23.000 Well, also, paganism and environmental worship, anti-racism, transgenderism, grooming, those are state-run religions too.

00:17:30.000 But self-love is the one that Christians fall for far too often.

00:17:35.000 And here is the Allie, you said it perfectly. 0.98

00:17:38.000 You would think that when a society starts to love themselves more, then let's just say actions of despair-suicide, drug overdosing, aimlessness, checking out of society-would go down.

00:17:52.000 So, as we have prioritized self-esteem or self-love and we've de-emphasized self-control, big difference, we have seen the West collapse because when you have self-love, you're thinking about yourself all the time.

00:18:09.000 Dare I say, I think you would agree, Allie, it is narcissistic at its core.

00:18:14.000 I'm the most important thing in the world, so I'm gonna go give myself a metaphorical hug.

00:18:18.000 And who cares if I keep on smoking weed or watching pornography because I have to love myself?

00:18:24.000 No, the West was built on the biblical idea of duty and obligation, of what I ought to do.

00:18:32.000 And when you start thinking about the divine and others more than you think about yourself, you're actually happier.

00:18:39.000 When you think about yourself all the time, you will torment yourself into just basically into a corner.

00:18:46.000 You can't, a human being can't survive like that.

00:18:48.000 Why do you think Christians have become so susceptible to this?

00:18:52.000 Where does that come from?

00:18:53.000 Because every so often I'll hear a pastor or two kind of spike, you know, add in a little bit of a self-love thing and just take a moment and think about yourself or you can do it if you put your mind to it.

00:19:05.000 Where does that come from?

00:19:06.000 Yeah, I guess it's a form of therapeutic Christianity. 0.78

00:19:10.000 And the therapy world is very influenced by New Age philosophy.

00:19:15.000 And I see this a lot among Christian women reading books that are really more New Age.

00:19:21.000 And the idea goes like this, that we are all on a journey to find ourselves and that inside we have this beautiful goddess that's really perfect.

00:19:32.000 And if we throw off all societal expectations, toxic relationships, people's unfair standards, religion, rules, all of that, then we'll unleash this perfect goddess inside of ourselves and everything that we've ever wanted will finally become ours and we'll finally be happy and fulfilled.

00:19:53.000 Every single teacher, every single author I know that has pushed that message behind her is broken relationships, broken friendships, a lot of deceit, and simply a lot of sadness.

00:20:11.000 That is not the journey that the Christian is on. 0.96

00:20:15.000 In scripture, when we see self-something else, it's never self-empowerment or self-sufficiency.

00:20:24.000 It's self-denial.

00:20:26.000 It's self-control.

00:20:29.000 So we already know that unleashed, we love ourselves a lot.

00:20:33.000 And what that self-love looks like is giving into every feeling and want that I have.

00:20:40.000 And I mean, we can look at any human being.

00:20:44.000 We can look at all of history.

00:20:46.000 We can look at any toddler that we see running around and we see the terror that it looks like when someone is only concerned with what they want in any given moment.

00:20:59.000 So yeah, to answer your question, I think it's New Age therapy that has woven itself into Christianity.

00:21:06.000 And they think telling people that feeling better about yourself is the same thing as the gospel.

00:21:12.000 And it's not.

00:21:13.000 And I compare it to, I think an entire generation has effectively lived the metaphorical King Solomon life, meaning they've done everything they want to do.

00:21:23.000 They've had every earthly treasure imaginable.

00:21:25.000 And I encourage you guys just to open up the first couple of verses of Ecclesiastes.

00:21:30.000 You'll think you're reading like a 16-year-old suicide note.

00:21:35.000 I'm not kidding. 0.94

00:21:36.000 He starts with worthless, meaningless, meaningless.

00:21:39.000 All in the world is meaningless.

00:21:40.000 You're like, is this some sort of punk rock song or something?

00:21:44.000 And essentially, no, it's King Solomon who goes on and on about how nothing has any meaning and it's all terrible and awful.

00:21:51.000 Now, the book ends actually in a much better place because he says, it actually has meaning thanks to God.

00:21:55.000 But I understand the context.

00:21:57.000 This is King Solomon who had everything you could possibly imagine.

00:22:00.000 As Jesus says, even Solomon, all of his splendor would not be clothed.

00:22:04.000 The idea of Solomon's riches is beyond anything you can imagine.

00:22:07.000 Anything the flesh desired, Solomon had.

00:22:10.000 As many wives as you would want, as many robes as you want, as much land as territory, conquering people at his beckoning call. 0.93

00:22:16.000 And the guy is writing, I'm just, nothing matters.

00:22:19.000 Everything is meaningless.

00:22:21.000 And again, the whole generation has effectively lived that life, which is hedonism at its core, pleasure first above all.

00:22:30.000 I will worship myself and I will not die to myself for Christ.

00:22:35.000 And we're seeing the ramifications of that.

00:22:39.000 Allie, our job is hard because our job is to tell a broken culture to basically repent from their vices and to go through a chapter that might be uncomfortable, but it's actually better for them.

00:22:55.000 It's trying to get a country to take the metaphorical cough medicine, essentially.

00:22:59.000 And the church is supposed to be the one issuing that correction to the error.

00:23:05.000 How do we best do that?

00:23:07.000 And I don't think I do it the best.

00:23:09.000 I just know that I can, I'm more on the truth side than on the love and truth side.

00:23:14.000 Me too.

00:23:15.000 And I just, how do we best correct a broken culture without running the risk of being, let's just say, credibly accused of being legalistic or too harsh?

00:23:26.000 By credibly, I mean outside of the nonsensical fake Christians that issue those criticisms towards us. 0.99

00:23:33.000 Yeah, you know, what she said reminded me of something.

00:23:35.000 And we see a lot of videos of deconstruction.

00:23:38.000 I'm sure you all have heard of ex-evangelicals or the deconstruction movement, and especially in the month of June.

00:23:46.000 Happy Pride Month, everybody.

00:23:48.000 Actually, it's Noea Covenant Month.

00:23:50.000 That's why everyone has the rainbows around, right?

00:23:53.000 We're celebrating God's promise.

00:23:54.000 Happy Sodom and Gomorrah Month is what we hear. 0.69

00:23:56.000 Yeah.

00:23:58.000 So it made me think of something because whenever I hear the deconstruction testimonies of people who say, oh, I know everything that you guys believe because I was raised believing that too.

00:24:09.000 And now I'm so much smarter on the other side because I don't believe it.

00:24:12.000 They'll say things.

00:24:13.000 It usually has to do with their sexual sin.

00:24:15.000 And they wanted to give in to their sexual sin or their friend's sexual sin.

00:24:19.000 And they didn't want to tell their friend that they're in sin.

00:24:21.000 And they'll say something like, you know, I tried to repent of that.

00:24:26.000 Or I tried to pray away that struggle.

00:24:28.000 Or I tried, you know, being holy and I just couldn't do it.

00:24:33.000 And I'm like, oh, someone along the way of your faith told you that it was going to be easy.

00:24:40.000 Someone told you that this sanctification business was going to be fun all the time.

00:24:46.000 Someone told you that we would just be able to pray our struggles away and they would be gone the next day.

00:24:51.000 And that's what the Christian life was going to look like. 0.92

00:24:53.000 No one ever told you that self-denial is going to be hard from here until glory.

00:25:00.000 And so a lot of the deconstruction movement, I think, is actually because of unfair expectations that are placed on them by pastors who say that Christianity is all about just being happy and loving yourself when it's not.

00:25:15.000 We get something so much better through Christ.

00:25:18.000 We get liberation from our sin and of course freedom from sin and sorrow forever and ever in heaven with him.

00:25:24.000 But now I'm forgetting what your what your question was because I went on my side.

00:25:29.000 What did you ask?

00:25:30.000 I can't remember either.

00:25:32.000 Okay.

00:25:33.000 It was something I interjected about Pride Month.

00:25:36.000 How do we speak the truth in now I'm remembering?

00:25:40.000 Yeah.

00:25:41.000 So I was saying that how do we credibly, how do we speak the truth without credibly being accused of being too harsh, too legalistic?

00:25:50.000 Again, I try to do that balance.

00:25:52.000 I think I end up getting a little bit too in the truth side.

00:25:55.000 But I mean, let's just give an example.

00:25:57.000 I mean, a young lady, you know, comes up to you at a college event. 0.65

00:26:00.000 She says that she's a practicing lesbian or whatever, you know, whatever.

00:26:03.000 How do we navigate?

00:26:04.000 All of us have those conversations.

00:26:06.000 All of us have those friends.

00:26:07.000 How do we be love and truth, truth and grace, as Christ was, both those things?

00:26:12.000 Yeah, so I recently had the opportunity.

00:26:15.000 I don't always have this opportunity.

00:26:17.000 I don't go on college campuses in the same way that you do and have those interactions with people I disagree with every day.

00:26:23.000 But I had this almost three-hour debate on another podcast with a teacher who calls himself, of course, this is not something that's real, but he calls himself non-binary.

00:26:34.000 And he has a very large TikTok platform.

00:26:36.000 He is a teacher of, I think, middle school students, and he's always talking about these things.

00:26:40.000 He has his degree in statistics from Dartmouth.

00:26:44.000 He went to Johns Hopkins for his education degree.

00:26:47.000 So he really felt like he brought a lot to the table when we were debating gender ideology.

00:26:54.000 And I had the opportunity to really minister to him in that conversation without backing down at all.

00:27:02.000 I mean, I did not back down one centimeter, not even a little bit, because the truth is so obvious and it's so easy.

00:27:12.000 And I did not have to give credence to anything he said.

00:27:16.000 But when he told me, which was not surprising at all, that he was raised by two women, that he had no dad in his life, and really no father figure at all, and that he was very confused by the time he was a teenager and he felt like he was in the wrong body.

00:27:32.000 It was that moment that I got to say, I bet that was so hard.

00:27:38.000 I bet that felt really terrible.

00:27:41.000 To feel like you aren't in the right place, to feel misplaced in your own self, I bet that was hard.

00:27:50.000 But that's where you can stop.

00:27:52.000 You do not have to go beyond that and then affirm their feelings.

00:27:57.000 I bet that was really hard, but God made you a man.

00:28:02.000 I bet that was really hard, but we all have struggles and we all believe lies and we're all uncomfortable in this life and in our bodies.

00:28:13.000 And God sent his only son to free us from those lies and the burden of sin.

00:28:20.000 That is the good news.

00:28:22.000 That's the good news.

00:28:24.000 Not that you get to stay in your sin.

00:28:27.000 No, Jesus said that his burden is light and his yoke is easy.

00:28:31.000 The burden of sin is heavy.

00:28:33.000 The yoke of sin is really hard.

00:28:36.000 And if we believe that, if we believe the gospel, then the most loving thing that we can always do is agree with God.

00:28:43.000 It's the most loving thing we can always do.

00:28:46.000 And will you still get people who are mad at you?

00:28:50.000 Will you still get people who say, oh, you're mean, you're a bigot?

00:28:54.000 Of course.

00:28:55.000 They crucified Jesus.

00:28:58.000 Do we think that we're going to be let off the hook?

00:29:01.000 I mean, when you look at, for example, Stephen, he was full of grace and truth.

00:29:06.000 Jesus, full of grace and power.

00:29:08.000 Stephen, full of grace and truth.

00:29:10.000 I think I didn't switch those up, but it's basically the same principle.

00:29:15.000 Stephen, he stood there and he just shared the gospel to those men.

00:29:19.000 What happened to Stephen?

00:29:20.000 Did they accept him?

00:29:21.000 Did he get to write an op-ed in the New York Times?

00:29:25.000 He was stoned to death.

00:29:27.000 And so we cannot judge our obedience by people's reaction to us.

00:29:34.000 So, Allie, I want to just cover one more thing here, then we'll do some questions.

00:29:39.000 It is, remember, pride is a sin, and an entire month dedicated to pride probably is a piece of evidence that your culture is falling apart.

00:29:49.000 Let's just be honest.

00:29:50.000 And I want to say this as fairly as one can say it: that Jordan Peterson, his credit, had a great clip on this.

00:29:57.000 I want to make sure I give him credit because he hasn't spoken out about this in the past.

00:30:01.000 If you have reduced your entire identity to your sexual behavior, and that is who you identify as, that is not the best way that you should present yourself to the world, and nor should we accept that from people that we truly love.

00:30:16.000 That's the best way I can say it: is that if your sexual behavior is the most important thing to you, that's really weird.

00:30:24.000 Let's just be honest.

00:30:27.000 That's the most important thing.

00:30:28.000 Not your character, not how you treat other people, not your relationship with the divine, not the things that actually matter.

00:30:38.000 And remember, before the fall is pride.

00:30:41.000 Pride goeth before the fall and beforeth destruction.

00:30:44.000 So it is pride month. 0.98

00:30:47.000 It's so interesting.

00:30:48.000 So we have a 21-month-old.

00:30:50.000 We just welcomed a baby boy, by the way, three weeks ago.

00:30:53.000 Praise God.

00:30:55.000 And so Allie and I both, we are now card-carrying members of 2002, which I'm told is, you get extra points for that.

00:31:04.000 We're enjoying every minute of it.

00:31:06.000 And so it's so interesting.

00:31:09.000 We try to not watch a lot of TV, but every so often, you know, you try to try and get kids' program for 20 minutes or something.

00:31:14.000 And there is this really creepy woman that pops up on your YouTube well before this stuff. 1.00

00:31:18.000 Miss Rachel?

00:31:20.000 What a weird person this is.

00:31:22.000 And I never liked her.

00:31:23.000 And I was like, she's never allowed on my TV.

00:31:25.000 It's like, there's something wrong.

00:31:26.000 Like total groomer vibes.

00:31:27.000 Like big eyes, like very strange.

00:31:29.000 Do you know who I'm talking about, anybody?

00:31:31.000 I think she's a total psyop from something.

00:31:34.000 And what happened this last week, Allie?

00:31:37.000 With Miss Rachel?

00:31:38.000 Oh, see, I probably wouldn't have described her in that way, but to be fair, to be fair, a lot of people agree with Charlie.

00:31:48.000 My kids are...

00:31:49.000 She has these bug eyes and she's like very weird. 0.99

00:31:52.000 Okay.

00:31:52.000 I don't know Miss Rachel personally.

00:31:54.000 We've also never watched Miss Rachel.

00:31:56.000 It's a difference in my home.

00:31:57.000 But she does seem, but this is where it gets dangerous.

00:32:00.000 She does seem very sincere and very sweet.

00:32:03.000 And she, a couple years ago, and I talked about it on my podcast at the time and people freaked out about it because she invited Dylan Mulvaney, the grown man who calls himself a girl and got famous from dressing up basically like a six-year-old girl on TikTok.

00:32:20.000 She invited him on her show.

00:32:22.000 That collaboration hasn't happened yet.

00:32:24.000 She also had someone who was presenting herself as going by they, them and inviting the young audience to drag shows in Chicago. 0.99

00:32:35.000 But her videos were still about speech. 0.98

00:32:38.000 They were about ABC.

00:32:39.000 So 10 million subscribers on YouTube.

00:32:42.000 Extremely popular among Christian women, millions of followers on Instagram.

00:32:47.000 Well, this month, she gives a special pride message saying, happy pride.

00:32:52.000 If you don't want to follow me, I don't really care.

00:32:55.000 God bless.

00:32:55.000 Go your own way.

00:32:56.000 But I'm going to celebrate pride.

00:32:58.000 She follows back up saying, the reason I celebrate pride, she says, is because of my Christian faith.

00:33:04.000 Because Jesus tells me to love my neighbor as myself, and there are no exceptions.

00:33:10.000 And so, Miss Rachel, as sincere and as sweet as I think that she probably is, she confuses, she confuses love, biblical love, with that toxic empathy.

00:33:25.000 Toxic empathy says, because I can feel what you feel, I have to affirm what you feel is good.

00:33:31.000 And that's not the love of God.

00:33:33.000 The great news is, here's great news, is that we cannot outlove God.

00:33:38.000 God is love.

00:33:40.000 1 John 4 and 1.

00:33:42.000 God is love.

00:33:43.000 That means love is not love.

00:33:44.000 God is love.

00:33:46.000 And in 1 Corinthians 13, he is so gracious to give us clarity on what love is.

00:33:51.000 It's a lot of things.

00:33:52.000 It's patient.

00:33:52.000 It's kind.

00:33:54.000 It also does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth.

00:34:01.000 And so it is never loving to affirm someone's sin.

00:34:05.000 That God who is love told us what marriage and gender is in the very first chapter of the first book of the Bible.

00:34:11.000 That's how much it mattered.

00:34:12.000 It's pre-civilizational.

00:34:14.000 It's pre-cultural.

00:34:15.000 It's pre-law.

00:34:16.000 That means it cannot be subject to cultural whims or political definitions or social changes.

00:34:23.000 It's rooted in creation, that God made us male and female.

00:34:30.000 The Bible starts with the marriage.

00:34:32.000 The Bible starts with the marriage and ends with the marriage. 0.75

00:34:36.000 That's how important it is that we here on earth as husband and wife are an earthly reflection of the spiritual eternal marriage between Christ the bridegroom and the church the bride.

00:34:49.000 Two men can't be that.

00:34:51.000 Two women can't be that. 0.99

00:34:53.000 That's how important it is.

00:34:55.000 That's how central the definition of marriage is.

00:34:58.000 I love it.

00:34:59.000 Amazing.

00:34:59.000 Let's start lining up for questions.

00:35:01.000 Let's start line.

00:35:02.000 We have a good amount of time for questions.

00:35:04.000 And just so you know, Miss Rachel is very, very, I mean, like incredibly popular.

00:35:09.000 I mean, some of these videos have like 200 million views.

00:35:12.000 And they're for speech-delayed young people, for like toddlers and stuff.

00:35:16.000 I'm sure a competitor is going to emerge, but I hope, sure, hope so.

00:35:20.000 And by the way, I've been told that there's other gay, like, little imagery that's in her videos, too.

00:35:25.000 I haven't seen that.

00:35:26.000 That's what some people have been saying.

00:35:27.000 All right, we'll start.

00:35:27.000 Who knows?

00:35:28.000 We'll start right here.

00:35:29.000 Hi, this question is for Allie.

00:35:31.000 My name is Jeff, and I am not your normal demographic, but I'm a card-carrying related bro.

00:35:37.000 Nice, thank you.

00:35:38.000 Love your podcast.

00:35:39.000 So how do I ask this?

00:35:41.000 I have a just-turned 14-year-old daughter, loves Jesus, straight A student, great girl, but is struggling with what you talked about to let go of trying to center things around what she wants.

00:35:55.000 And all too often at home, it ends in frustration and emotions all over the place.

00:36:00.000 And we pray for her and we talk to her.

00:36:01.000 She even knows the verse, if you seek to find yourself, you'll lose it.

00:36:06.000 But if you seek to lose yourself, you'll find it, and so forth.

00:36:09.000 And she's still struggling mightily with that.

00:36:11.000 What suggestions do you have to encourage and help her with that?

00:36:16.000 Yeah, you know, I only have experience as having been that teenage girl, not parenting that teenage girl.

00:36:24.000 So I can't come from that perspective.

00:36:27.000 It does sound, yes, of course, it's sinful for anyone to center ourselves, but it sounds like a lot of normal teenage girl stuff.

00:36:36.000 And as long as it truly is a struggle, and this is true for all of us, and what I mean by that, when a lot of people say, oh, I'm struggling with this sin, are you struggling with that sin or are you just sinning and feeling bad about it?

00:36:49.000 That's not a struggle.

00:36:51.000 And so if she is actively trying, through the grace of God, to resist that selfishness, maybe even not in a legalistic way, but give herself goals of selflessness and charity and generosity and putting other people before herself every day.

00:37:08.000 She is reading her Bible.

00:37:09.000 She's surrounding herself with other godly girls and she is praying.

00:37:14.000 I mean, that's the struggle of sin against sin that all of us are in right now.

00:37:20.000 It just manifests itself in pretty wild ways when you're an emotional teenage girl.

00:37:25.000 But you know what, Dad?

00:37:26.000 You are doing a really good job.

00:37:35.000 All right, so Charlie, I know you're a little iffy on the college, maybe being a scam or a knot, but I want to know, so next year I'm attending Baylor University, a private Christian conservative school.

00:37:46.000 So I want to know, like, what's the best advice you'd give me to not only succeed academically, but also by faith?

00:37:51.000 Sure.

00:37:52.000 So why are you going to college?

00:37:53.000 I think I'm very well with school and my parents have taught me that.

00:37:58.000 I think it's the best idea for me.

00:38:00.000 I played sports in high school, but I just knew basketball wasn't my moneymaker.

00:38:04.000 So I think school is.

00:38:05.000 And I just think it's going to be a great experience.

00:38:08.000 No, no, cool.

00:38:08.000 But why are you going to college?

00:38:10.000 I think just for my job path and to be in finance, I think it's...

00:38:16.000 Okay, cool.

00:38:16.000 Yeah, that's a good.

00:38:17.000 So you're starting finance or business?

00:38:19.000 So yeah, you don't need to go to college for that.

00:38:20.000 But that's good.

00:38:21.000 I'm glad.

00:38:22.000 I hope it works out.

00:38:24.000 So, Baylor's super woke, just so we're clear.

00:38:27.000 It's not conservative.

00:38:28.000 It's not Christian at all. 0.99

00:38:30.000 And they're increasingly LGBT, increasingly left-wing. 0.85

00:38:33.000 I'm giving you a hard time because you're a guy.

00:38:34.000 You could handle it.

00:38:36.000 But to be honest, college is a total waste of time for most people.

00:38:40.000 You might meet a couple cool people.

00:38:42.000 Maybe you'll meet your wife.

00:38:43.000 It's a total scam.

00:38:44.000 I hope you're not borrowing too much money.

00:38:47.000 No?

00:38:47.000 Okay, good.

00:38:48.000 So, but yeah, look, I think that, and I can say this from authority.

00:38:51.000 I visited more college campuses in the last decade than any other person.

00:38:54.000 We run a national college organization.

00:38:56.000 They make you take classes that have no application to your major.

00:39:00.000 I'll tell you just one quick example.

00:39:01.000 We have an intern that goes to Ohio State University.

00:39:03.000 He has to now graduate another six months later than his original four years because they added all these new diversity classes.

00:39:09.000 So he has to now go pay to go to class another six months for another $25,000 because of diversity, equity, inclusion, CRT.

00:39:19.000 I cannot put into words how unnecessary college is for our best and brightest.

00:39:23.000 Now, some can succeed.

00:39:25.000 And again, I'm not trying to make you feel bad or like whatever.

00:39:27.000 But look, make the most of it.

00:39:30.000 And if you feel like it's a waste of time, just drop out.

00:39:33.000 I mean, I know that sounds like, I know your mom's going to throw something at me or whatever.

00:39:37.000 But this is important, which is, and I will challenge every parent out there that might not like what I'm saying, which is, if you had to choose, this is actually a really good question for parents to ask your kid going to college.

00:39:50.000 Ask your kid going to college, when I raised you, do you think I would prefer that you get a college degree or be a good person?

00:39:59.000 And have your son or daughter answer that back to you?

00:40:02.000 That would be a very interesting thing.

00:40:05.000 And vast majority of kids will say, oh, my parents would much rather have me get a college degree.

00:40:11.000 College degrees are way more valuable in high society than being a person of good character.

00:40:18.000 Again, one of the reasons I hate college is that it is a Petri dish for the worst behavior, the worst actions, and the worst worldview.

00:40:26.000 You become a worse person at most colleges.

00:40:30.000 And again, it doesn't mean that you have to, but you're constantly surrounded by hookup culture, premarital sex, getting blackout drunk, drug usage, bad worldviews, deconstructionism.

00:40:42.000 So what can you do?

00:40:42.000 Join the Turning Point USA chapter is number one, right?

00:40:45.000 Because we are a hedge against those things.

00:40:48.000 And yeah, look, I know you might think that I'm being unfair to the college thing, but I think I have been rather vindicated this last year when we saw this Hamas garbage happening on campuses across the country. 1.00

00:41:01.000 I'm just saying, and I say this with no exaggeration, that is just a taste.

00:41:07.000 Now, if you are going to go, here's the cool thing.

00:41:10.000 You can decide to become a better person, but it's going to take a lot of work, a lot of self-control, the Holy Spirit, being like, I'm not going to drink for four years.

00:41:19.000 Like, I'm not going to do it.

00:41:20.000 I'm not going to have any alcohol.

00:41:22.000 Like, that would actually make our college experience awesome.

00:41:24.000 I'm going to go spend extra time with professors.

00:41:26.000 I'm going to leverage this to meet the best alumni of Baylor and to become, by the way, the number one thing that college gets you is not knowledge.

00:41:33.000 They don't teach you anything.

00:41:34.000 It's connections or people, which again, you don't need college for that, but like it is learning from the alumni and getting a piece of paper so that people take you seriously.

00:41:42.000 So anyway, that's my piece of advice.

00:41:43.000 And then just being like, you know, meeting some rich people from Dallas and maybe their dads can hire you once you graduate.

00:41:52.000 Sorry if that was too blunt.

00:41:54.000 This is kind of how I am.

00:41:57.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:41:58.000 My name's Kevin.

00:41:59.000 And by the way, happy birthday.

00:42:01.000 And I've been here.

00:42:02.000 The true birthday, you're right.

00:42:03.000 I was like, wait, it's not my birthday.

00:42:04.000 Oh, yeah.

00:42:05.000 For the last three years, I've missed about four of these nights.

00:42:08.000 So I just want to say congratulations on your birthday.

00:42:12.000 Allie, thank you very much for being here tonight.

00:42:14.000 We've really appreciated your views.

00:42:16.000 I have a personal friend who is raising a gay daughter.

00:42:19.000 What would be the best advice you could give to me to bring it up in conversation to help him guide her in a different path, perhaps?

00:42:28.000 I'm going to let Allie take that. 0.99

00:42:30.000 Yeah, that can be a really difficult thing to navigate, especially as a friend.

00:42:35.000 There is this really good book.

00:42:37.000 It's called Tactics by Greg Kochl.

00:42:39.000 And something I love about this book is that he says, in every conversation that we have, we're getting the person closer to truth and closer to Christ.

00:42:50.000 It's not that in every conversation we're trying to win the argument or that we're taking the ball into the end zone.

00:42:57.000 I think that's the correct terminology.

00:42:59.000 In every conversation, you are inching them closer to the truth.

00:43:02.000 And that means that you can start by asking him questions that make him think about it in a way that maybe he's never thought about it before.

00:43:11.000 So have you talked to your daughter about this?

00:43:14.000 What about this?

00:43:16.000 What do you think about when the Bible says this?

00:43:19.000 If you ask him questions based on scripture and what God's word says about sexuality and the importance of raising our children in the Lord and admonishing them in what is right, what God says about sexuality, make him think about it a little bit more.

00:43:33.000 See if he'll read a book that you suggest to him about someone.

00:43:38.000 There's lots who used to live a gay lifestyle and then came to Christ and completely repented of that. 0.99

00:43:44.000 There are a lot of ways that you can help push your friend towards Christ without alienating them right away because they might be offended.

00:43:51.000 That's always a possibility.

00:43:54.000 But cultivating and planting those seeds and making him think, you never know how God is going to water and give growth to your efforts in pushing him towards what's true.

00:44:05.000 Yes, sir.

00:44:07.000 Hold on.

00:44:07.000 I'm sorry.

00:44:08.000 I just have two questions.

00:44:10.000 I know like one thing that like really upset Jesus was when like people were selling stuff inside of the church.

00:44:17.000 He like flipped over tables and stuff.

00:44:19.000 How do you feel about like people like selling their books and you know kind of making a marketplace of the church, so you say?

00:44:28.000 And also my second question would be, I know that like one of the big things he mentions over and over is idol worship and idol and idol and idol.

00:44:37.000 Do you feel like caffeine and social media are kind of like underlooked in the church community and like kind of no one really like says anything about it or mentions it?

00:44:48.000 They might like mention it a little bit, but it's not very like, it's not spoken of as like an idol.

00:44:55.000 It's such an interesting question.

00:44:57.000 I'll let you do the marketplace.

00:44:59.000 I was going to say I'll let you do that.

00:45:02.000 No, I want to talk about caffeine being an idol.

00:45:07.000 Because if that's an idol, I got a lot of repenting to do.

00:45:11.000 I'll tell you what.

00:45:14.000 So, yeah, look, I'll first say, I don't know how caffeine could become an idol.

00:45:19.000 I actually think caffeine is a different type of drug because it actually at its best is used to make you more productive, which is why I have a lot of it.

00:45:28.000 In fact, I'm actually on a 90-day caffeine fast because I had way too much caffeine for a long period of time.

00:45:34.000 You actually don't need caffeine as much as you think you do.

00:45:36.000 But anyway, that's a separate issue.

00:45:37.000 So I guess I'm going to...

00:45:38.000 Yeah, I think that's how it can become an idol when you depend upon it for energy that you don't like.

00:45:44.000 I think you're really good.

00:45:45.000 Like I do that.

00:45:46.000 I do that.

00:45:46.000 Like, oh, I can't read my Bible until I have my coffee.

00:45:49.000 And then sometimes you don't get around to reading your Bible because you just wanted the coffee.

00:45:54.000 So I think sometimes it could become an idol.

00:45:56.000 I will say, though, that the idol that is not talked about is gluttony in the church.

00:46:02.000 That is legit.

00:46:03.000 And that is the indulgence culture of food that is bad for you and lifestyles that defile the temple that God has given you, which is your body.

00:46:15.000 That one I can agree with.

00:46:16.000 Far as the marketplace, I mean, look, I will say that in certain circumstances, if you run a church and you're trying to personally profit from it, then yeah, of course, obviously.

00:46:27.000 But no, I have no problem with somebody that makes their living off of like selling a book or whatever, as long as it's done tastefully and voluntarily.

00:46:37.000 I find no problem with that whatsoever.

00:46:39.000 Yeah, and it also, he said, like, you've turned my house into a den of robbers.

00:46:43.000 And so there was a lot of exploitation going on there.

00:46:47.000 And it wasn't just commerce.

00:46:49.000 It wasn't just simple supply and demand.

00:46:52.000 There was exploitation of the poor, cheating that was going on there.

00:46:56.000 The temple wasn't being used for the worship that it should have been used for.

00:46:59.000 Like, I don't think it's wrong for a house of worship that is truly dedicated to worshiping the Lord, but like there's also a bookstore there to sell books.

00:47:07.000 I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

00:47:10.000 Thank you.

00:47:12.000 Hi, my name is Elizabeth Patton.

00:47:15.000 I'm taking over the turning point chapter at my school next year as a freshman.

00:47:22.000 I'm extremely Christian and conservative and strong in my beliefs.

00:47:26.000 However, I have a second cousin who's transgender.

00:47:29.000 All my extended family supports them, and I have had multiple arguments with family members about it.

00:47:34.000 How do I go about being loving toward them, but also standing firm in my beliefs?

00:47:40.000 How old is that individual?

00:47:42.000 I am not sure.

00:47:44.000 Under 18 or above 18.

00:47:46.000 Above 18.

00:47:47.000 Okay.

00:47:48.000 Allie, do you have a thought first on that?

00:47:50.000 I have several, but sure.

00:47:54.000 I've had the privilege of interviewing a lot of detransitioners. 1.00

00:47:58.000 And there's one, her name is Laura Perry, and I won't tell her a whole story, but she tried to live her life as a man for several years.

00:48:05.000 There were lots of reasons why she thought that that would make her happy.

00:48:08.000 She changed her body. 0.70

00:48:10.000 She took hormones. 0.93

00:48:11.000 She realized, okay, this is just not working.

00:48:15.000 But she had, for a period of time, alienated herself from her Christian conservative parents who would never call her Jake and would never call her he, him.

00:48:25.000 And for a while, she thought, well, they're just bigots.

00:48:27.000 They're church or bigots, and I don't want to be around them.

00:48:31.000 Well, the Lord ended up softening her heart.

00:48:33.000 She ended up transcribing some Bible verses for her mom's Bible study.

00:48:37.000 And while she was doing that, the Lord used his word, as he does, to start to convict her and to change her heart.

00:48:45.000 And then, long story short, she became a Christian.

00:48:47.000 She has an amazing testimony.

00:48:49.000 She's married.

00:48:50.000 Now, of course, she's living as what she always has been, a woman. 1.00

00:48:53.000 But what she says when she shares her testimony is that the first people that she went to after her conversion and after she realized she had to detransition were the people that always called her Laura, were the people that never wavered.

00:49:08.000 The people that never affirmed the deceit in her life.

00:49:13.000 The people that affirmed her deceit are the people who helped her ruin.

00:49:17.000 I don't want to say ruin her body, but irreversibly change her body.

00:49:20.000 But it was her parents and that conservative evangelical church that never wavered, that always said, you're a woman made in the image of God.

00:49:30.000 Those were the people she went to.

00:49:32.000 So for now, you might be the family member that everyone says, oh, she just doesn't get it. 1.00

00:49:38.000 She's just ignorant. 1.00

00:49:39.000 She's just backwards. 1.00

00:49:40.000 She's a bigot. 0.99

00:49:41.000 And that could be hurtful.

00:49:42.000 I don't want to minimize that.

00:49:43.000 But I promise you, you standing for truth is one, obedience to God.

00:49:48.000 That's what matters.

00:49:49.000 End of story.

00:49:50.000 But two, God will use your obedience.

00:49:53.000 I promise you.

00:49:54.000 I don't know how and I don't know when in this person's life.

00:49:57.000 It might be 50 years.

00:49:59.000 He or she might look back and say, you are the only one that stood for me.

00:50:03.000 So keep standing strong.

00:50:09.000 First, love that you're running the turning point chapter.

00:50:11.000 That's amazing.

00:50:12.000 Secondly, I will say this, that I do not believe that someone is actually transgender.

00:50:18.000 I don't believe that's a thing.

00:50:19.000 I know that is a provocative view, but it is rooted in the Bible, it's rooted in scripture, and it's rooted in biology.

00:50:26.000 What do I mean?

00:50:27.000 I mean that the person might think they are something that they are not, but they do not become the other thing just because you think the thing.

00:50:35.000 The ramifications of accepting transgenderism as normative identification is civilizational ending. 0.91

00:50:44.000 It is you can choose your age, you could choose your race, you can choose your income level, you could choose whatever you want based on mental status.

00:50:52.000 So, there has Dr. Miriam Grossman, who is here.

00:50:55.000 I encourage you to re-listen to that podcast.

00:50:58.000 It was amazing when she was here.

00:50:59.000 She said it great, which is that there's almost never a case of somebody that has transgenderism that does not have underlying, undiagnosed bipolar schizophrenia, depression, generalized anxiety disorder, or other issues alongside of it.

00:51:15.000 So, transgenderism, most times, 99.9% of the time, is a symptom. 1.00

00:51:20.000 So, for example, if Allie all of a sudden says, I have a fever, that tells us nothing.

00:51:27.000 She could have a bacterial infection, she could have COVID, her appendix might burst, there's like 500 different reasons why human beings break into a fever.

00:51:38.000 So, transgenderism is a fever, it is a symptom, and so we are trying to treat a symptom without actually going to the root cause, which unfortunately, American medicine is all about symptom management and not trying to get to root causes far too often. 1.00

00:51:54.000 That's a systemic problem across the board.

00:51:57.000 So, thank you so much.

00:52:01.000 This question's for Allie.

00:52:02.000 I like her delivery a little better, but if Charlie's soft, he can.

00:52:07.000 I got two daughters.

00:52:08.000 No offense taken.

00:52:11.000 When you need to go storm the city, you know, call me.

00:52:14.000 All right.

00:52:15.000 I got two daughters, both career women, and they have dogs.

00:52:18.000 And as a father, I've tried to get into the conversation.

00:52:22.000 I was wondering if on your relatable website, if you've got any material or maybe you can just role play some reason for me to break into that subject matter without getting them angry with me.

00:52:33.000 You mean they have dogs that they use as replacement for children?

00:52:37.000 Yes.

00:52:38.000 So, this is a very sensitive conversation because women, young people, do not realize they are channeling their natural biological urge for children into plants and pets.

00:52:55.000 They don't realize that.

00:52:56.000 They think, oh no, this is just an amazing dog, and I just love this dog so much.

00:53:01.000 This is my baby.

00:53:03.000 No, the reason why you're so attached to that dog is because you're supposed to be having a baby right now.

00:53:09.000 Your biology is telling you that.

00:53:11.000 Now, again, I'm not saying that every single woman in that situation has chosen that.

00:53:16.000 I'm not saying that, but many have.

00:53:19.000 And that's why they get defensive because this has become their baby.

00:53:23.000 It has neurologically, like that's that's what's going on there.

00:53:27.000 And so, that is a difficult conversation.

00:53:30.000 Obviously, you got to start with finding the right man.

00:53:33.000 And then, marriage, if you're talking about wanting them to have children, I think that's what you're saying.

00:53:39.000 Do you need to clarify?

00:53:40.000 You're both married.

00:53:40.000 Am I wrong?

00:53:41.000 Oh, they are both buried.

00:53:42.000 Oh, sorry, I missed that.

00:53:43.000 I missed that portion.

00:53:44.000 Okay, that's a whole bigger issue.

00:53:47.000 And so, then their husbands are not leading very well.

00:53:51.000 And as much as I know you, as an awesome dad, want to step in and say, Don't you want to have kids?

00:53:56.000 At the end of the day, their husbands need to be the ones to step up and to make that decision. 0.94

00:54:02.000 Not that I'm not trying to just hawk my book, but this is something I talk about in my book.

00:54:07.000 It's called You're Not Enough and That's Okay, Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love.

00:54:12.000 And I wrote it a few years ago.

00:54:14.000 We talk about that.

00:54:15.000 Replacing babies with pets and plants, it's a huge problem.

00:54:20.000 What venue are you on?

00:54:22.000 Rumble, YouTube?

00:54:23.000 Yeah, you can listen to my, well, it's on YouTube.

00:54:26.000 You can watch it on YouTube and you can listen to it wherever you listen to podcasts and you can get the book wherever you buy books.

00:54:36.000 President Trump was gracious enough a couple years ago to come on the show.

00:54:40.000 And so that was fun.

00:54:42.000 Maybe my most fun guest ever, if I do say so.

00:54:44.000 So.

00:54:48.000 Thank you.

00:54:50.000 Hi.

00:54:51.000 I am standing in for Native Americans all over the United States.

00:54:56.000 And I do have a question.

00:54:59.000 Well, two, but I'll just do one.

00:55:02.000 So, how can us children of God or people who go to Native Americans that go to church be influential and encouraging to other Native Americans on the reservation,

00:55:16.000 especially the Navajo Nation, because it's one of the biggest parts of Arizona, and their votes are very important to whoever is going to be elected and in the Arizona state to become it's very hard for Native American women, 1.00

00:55:32.000 there's a stronghold on that, of becoming submissive wives and being loving and you know, gentle and caring mothers just because a generational abuse and a lot of mothers there they come from for me, I'm the only one who's saved in my family, so I don't have a mother figure to look up to who can love their child the way God would want to.

00:55:58.000 And James City has been a big influence on my life.

00:56:02.000 I'm thankful.

00:56:04.000 And so what would you, what can we become more influential on the reservation as mothers and as leaders in political ways?

00:56:15.000 Well, first, God bless you.

00:56:16.000 It's so unbelievably important.

00:56:18.000 And I would love to visit Apache County.

00:56:21.000 I learned that.

00:56:21.000 Navajo Nation's in Apache County, not in Navajo County.

00:56:24.000 It's an interesting thing.

00:56:26.000 I'd love to visit and do some stuff.

00:56:28.000 First of all, let's just make sure this is mentioned.

00:56:32.000 Number one, community with a lot of addiction, right, and a lot of problems.

00:56:37.000 And so only Jesus Christ can set the Native Americans free from that addiction and that cycle of addiction. 1.00

00:56:43.000 And so you must be relentless in sharing that.

00:56:46.000 Number two, there is still a lot of paganistic folklore that exists in Native backgrounds.

00:56:53.000 And so Christianity is against a lot of that paganistic folklore, which is why you say you're the only one that's saved.

00:57:00.000 But look, I see a huge movement in traditionally left-wing populations, Native American, Hispanic, black communities, that are increasingly open to the conservative message.

00:57:14.000 This is a difficult thing to communicate, but Native American reservations are by far some of the most messed up places in America. 1.00

00:57:24.000 And it's largely because of government policies, of subsidizing the worst behavior, of massive amounts of social welfare state.

00:57:33.000 And if you want the real tragedy, it's we mistreated the Native population legitimately 150 years ago. 0.74

00:57:40.000 Like there's no spin, like just the way it is.

00:57:42.000 And now we've continued to mistreat them in the name of compassion the last 100 years.

00:57:48.000 Is that Native Americans deserve better than non-stop government programs and addiction and welfare programs? 1.00

00:57:57.000 So I don't know how it is.

00:57:59.000 One of the hardest things is to convince people that are not free that they should pursue liberty.

00:58:06.000 And I'm sure you live amongst that every single day.

00:58:08.000 I visited a lot of reservations.

00:58:11.000 They're very depressing.

00:58:12.000 I'm sorry.

00:58:13.000 They're wonderful people, but the amount of addiction, broken families is very hard to witness.

00:58:20.000 So we'd love to work with you and keep on spreading the gospel and the good news.

00:58:24.000 So God bless you.

00:58:25.000 Thank you.

00:58:26.000 We'll take a couple more, okay?

00:58:28.000 Yeah.

00:58:30.000 Hey, first I wanted to say I love both of you guys' platforms.

00:58:32.000 I've been a solid related bro for a good year and a half.

00:58:35.000 Thank you so much.

00:58:37.000 What I wanted to ask is, what is your best advice for a young Christian, strongly conservative teen boy to not stay strong in my beliefs and not stray away to the left and become an atheist despite pushback from any future hypothetical friends or just pressure I might face graduating out of school in a couple years?

00:59:03.000 I would say one of the most important things, so I did go to college.

00:59:08.000 I'm not recommending going to college, but I did go to college.

00:59:12.000 And Charlie is 100% right about college, by the way.

00:59:15.000 I learned everything I need to know by 12th grade.

00:59:18.000 It was just a few connections that I'm thankful for.

00:59:21.000 And then I ended up meeting my husband from that.

00:59:24.000 So that was worth it.

00:59:26.000 But the thing that kept me sane, that kept me from becoming a communist in college, was immediately surrounding myself with like-minded people.

00:59:39.000 Immediately joining a local church, immediately joining a Bible study, immediately joining the campus ministry, immediately getting to know a variety of Christian families in the city who I started babysitting for.

00:59:51.000 All of those people and the structure that they created around my life and holding me accountable and keeping me solid, like there's so much power in looking around and realizing, oh, I'm not the only one.

01:00:03.000 That's what I would say.

01:00:04.000 You have to surround yourself with people that are godlier than you are, that are stronger than you are, that are more sure about their faith and their belief system than you are, so that they can sharpen you as iron sharpens iron.

01:00:17.000 So it doesn't have to be 10 friends.

01:00:19.000 It can just be one solid friend.

01:00:21.000 But try as much as you can to avoid isolation and surround yourself by people who make you better.

01:00:30.000 Thank you.

01:00:32.000 And join the local turning point chapter.

01:00:34.000 Yes, ma'am.

01:00:36.000 We'll do one more here, one more there.

01:00:37.000 So we'll do three more.

01:00:38.000 Okay, yes?

01:00:39.000 Hi, my name is Sidney.

01:00:42.000 You're getting a lot of college questions, but I plan on attending Grand Kinney University in the fall.

01:00:48.000 I understand how it's a little bit of a touchy subject, especially in the conservative world.

01:00:54.000 I was wondering if both of you would speak into this because what I'm struggling with with college is that I'm told a lot by conservative media, by Christians, that it's not necessary for you, your spiritual growth, your professional growth, but no one will hire me without a college degree.

01:01:14.000 And I say this not try, like I've tried.

01:01:17.000 So I actually applied for a turning point internship and I was told that I had to either be in my second year of college or an equivalent.

01:01:24.000 And so it's hard to do anything.

01:01:27.000 And I hope this is a come across argument.

01:01:29.000 Who told you that?

01:01:32.000 I was told to check back again and then the internship process told me I couldn't do that.

01:01:36.000 Was that for hiring or internship?

01:01:39.000 It was probably internship.

01:01:40.000 It was an internship on your website.

01:01:41.000 Yeah, just apply for a job.

01:01:44.000 The founder didn't go to college.

01:01:47.000 But yeah, so it's just been really hard for me because I've been told I'm not yet old enough or I don't have the experience or people won't hire me without the work ethic that they know I have if I have a degree.

01:01:59.000 So I'm going through this process, and I'm not saying I'm not looking forward to it because I believe college has a lot of things to offer, especially because I'm going.

01:02:07.000 My dad's a pastor in the area, so I already am very grounded in my faith.

01:02:10.000 I'm very grounded.

01:02:11.000 I have a great group of friends who are also Christians, so that's not what I'm going for. 1.00

01:02:16.000 I'm just being told I can't progress in my life without a college degree by people who say that college is bad.

01:02:24.000 So I don't really know where to go.

01:02:26.000 Yeah, so I mean, look, someone's going to get handled.

01:02:30.000 So, yeah, that's what I was doing.

01:02:32.000 So, no, but so let me ask you a question.

01:02:35.000 What's more important?

01:02:38.000 Happy, healthy family or career for your life?

01:02:41.000 Oh, family.

01:02:42.000 Okay, cool.

01:02:42.000 So, so, so, you're, you're, so, in college, just, you know, if you want to find a husband, that's a great place to do that, um, potentially.

01:02:50.000 And honestly, it's probably worth it because a lot of people can't find husbands. 1.00

01:02:53.000 So, getting an MRS degree is totally legit.

01:02:56.000 No, I'm totally like, no, I'm not diminishing that, by the way.

01:02:59.000 If you say I'm going to college, find a husband, like, I totally respect that.

01:03:01.000 Like, absolutely worth $150,000.

01:03:04.000 Like, absolutely.

01:03:06.000 A lot of money.

01:03:06.000 No, think, right, Allie?

01:03:08.000 Like, that's not a joke.

01:03:09.000 Like, I mean, finding your life partner, like, of course, you should go into debt for that.

01:03:12.000 Absolutely.

01:03:15.000 But look, it's just a lie.

01:03:17.000 I mean, I don't know how else to say it.

01:03:19.000 It depends on what you want to do.

01:03:20.000 People will hire you.

01:03:22.000 And again, I'm just, I'm so out on the college thing because it's such non-creative thinking.

01:03:28.000 They don't teach you wisdom.

01:03:30.000 They don't teach you actually worldliness.

01:03:32.000 They kind of just treat you like a cog in a wheel.

01:03:35.000 And again, so what do you want to do?

01:03:39.000 I plan on going into the ministry, which people usually think is you don't need college work, but honestly, no one will hire you.

01:03:46.000 Yeah, that's just not true.

01:03:48.000 But yeah, that's just not true.

01:03:49.000 I think it's changing.

01:03:50.000 I think it's changed.

01:03:51.000 But I feel you.

01:03:52.000 That's, I mean, basically why I went to college because everyone just went to college and that's what she did. 0.99

01:03:57.000 And that is how I got my job that I then was able to meet my husband from that.

01:04:02.000 So I feel you, but I do think, I don't know how quickly it's going to change, but I do think employers, at least in our sphere, Christian conservative sphere, are looking less and less at degrees and more.

01:04:14.000 Are you smart?

01:04:16.000 Do you think critically?

01:04:17.000 Are you trustworthy?

01:04:18.000 Do you have a good attitude?

01:04:20.000 Those are the four things that I look for when I'm looking for someone to hire.

01:04:27.000 Thank you.

01:04:28.000 See, she might hire you.

01:04:29.000 Thank you.

01:04:31.000 Hey, Pastor Angel told me to take the mic.

01:04:33.000 We have a college here that's not a scam.

01:04:36.000 It's connected to Southeastern University.

01:04:38.000 So if anybody has questions, they can find me after.

01:04:41.000 We teach our students not just biblical truths and everything, but also just how to be really good people in this community.

01:04:47.000 We teach biblical values, no woke stuff.

01:04:49.000 So it is a good option, especially for you if you want to go into ministry.

01:04:52.000 Thanks.

01:04:56.000 Here, and then he'll be the final.

01:04:58.000 We'll go.

01:04:58.000 Yeah.

01:04:59.000 Yes, ma'am.

01:05:02.000 So as we become less woke, everyone started to turn against our views on marriage.

01:05:07.000 Me and my best friend firmly believe in marriage and believe it's the best thing for women.

01:05:12.000 Do you think it's smart that we full sin get married and have a bunch of kids?

01:05:18.000 Or if we just go to high school?

01:05:22.000 If you just ask.

01:05:23.000 That's the last part.

01:05:24.000 Yeah, if you just got a high school.

01:05:25.000 Oh, yeah.

01:05:26.000 No, have as many kids as early as you possibly can.

01:05:28.000 Absolutely.

01:05:31.000 Absolutely.

01:05:32.000 No, I mean, true wealth is how many children you have or how good your relationship is with them.

01:05:37.000 I mean, look, I know that might sound really radical, but I've been radicalized by the amount of people that did not prioritize family formation, and they delayed and they delayed and they delayed.

01:05:48.000 And again, the most beautiful stories I hear are from families that they had more kids than they could afford, and they extended themselves a little bit.

01:05:57.000 And in that insanity and that chaos, they're formed very, very close together.

01:06:03.000 And so, yeah, look, it might not be financially easy, but you have to answer a question.

01:06:07.000 Do you want to live a simple life or a deep life?

01:06:11.000 And if you want to live a deep life, that involves having children and getting married.

01:06:15.000 And again, for those of us that have kids, it is not easy.

01:06:19.000 You know, Allie has three. 0.97

01:06:20.000 We have two.

01:06:21.000 Do you want to also, you want that self-love narcissism to die?

01:06:26.000 Have children. 0.64

01:06:28.000 That murders self-love narcissism.

01:06:30.000 Right?

01:06:31.000 Like, very quickly.

01:06:33.000 Anyone's like, self-love?

01:06:34.000 Like, okay, have two kids under the age of two and go give yourself like a nice mental hug or whatever weird Buddhist thing you're doing.

01:06:42.000 And so, yeah, look, again, I might that sound like radical advice, but have at least, you know, have a couple kids and then see how that works.

01:06:50.000 But it's the most amazing thing and do it while you can.

01:06:54.000 I think it's really important.

01:06:56.000 And children are a gift from the Lord, as it says in Proverbs.

01:07:00.000 And we would both totally agree with that.

01:07:04.000 So thank you.

01:07:06.000 Yes, this will be the final question.

01:07:09.000 Hi, my name is Broxton and Sannis and I have two questions.

01:07:14.000 One is, how do I get closer to God?

01:07:20.000 What are some tips how to get closer to God?

01:07:23.000 How old are you, by the way?

01:07:24.000 11.

01:07:25.000 Amazing.

01:07:25.000 I'll give it up for that.

01:07:26.000 It's not easy to do to get up.

01:07:31.000 Sure.

01:07:32.000 Do you have a Bible?

01:07:34.000 Yes.

01:07:35.000 Yeah, I do.

01:07:36.000 So I would get you, like when I, I don't know if y'all had like the NIV New Adventure Bible growing up.

01:07:44.000 Was anyone born in the 90s that had that?

01:07:46.000 Yes, it was the best.

01:07:48.000 And so get you a good translation that's easy to read, that's easy to understand.

01:07:52.000 I even like listening to the Bible on an app.

01:07:56.000 Sometimes I'm just busy.

01:07:57.000 That might be something that you like to do.

01:08:00.000 Prayer and reading your Bible, those are two of the best ways to get closer to God.

01:08:04.000 Make sure that you're going to, I don't know if you're going to this church or not, but if you go to this church, that's great.

01:08:10.000 Make sure that you've got older men or older boys who are older than you, who are discipling you, who are mentoring you, and who are teaching you what's good, right, and true.

01:08:24.000 Yeah, make sure that you're plugged into the local church and to people who can influence you well.

01:08:29.000 I would say those three things.

01:08:31.000 Yeah, and so there's, it's such a great question.

01:08:34.000 The earlier you can learn how God designed you to get closest to God is really important.

01:08:41.000 And everybody has a different answer to this.

01:08:43.000 Some people get closest to God in prayer.

01:08:45.000 Some people get closest to God in Bible study.

01:08:48.000 That's certainly me.

01:08:49.000 When I start to see the beauty of the scriptures using reason, I freak out.

01:08:55.000 I love it.

01:08:56.000 I'm like, wow, just the beauty of it.

01:08:58.000 Other people get closest to God in worship of music and listening to worship music, which is very, very biblical.

01:09:05.000 Other people get closest to God through acts of service.

01:09:08.000 So through helping other people or volunteering.

01:09:11.000 Other people get closest to God by going to church.

01:09:13.000 However, the last thing I'll say is this, is that this is not taught in most churches.

01:09:20.000 You have to choose and decide to want to get close to God.

01:09:25.000 He sometimes does come into your life unexpectedly.

01:09:28.000 That is legitimate.

01:09:29.000 But you can't count on that.

01:09:31.000 It must be a discipline.

01:09:33.000 You must pursue him and to seek him.

01:09:37.000 So the sooner and the younger that you can realize that, the better.

01:09:39.000 Thank you, my man.

01:09:40.000 I appreciate it.

01:09:41.000 Thank you.

01:09:43.000 All right.

01:09:44.000 Any closing thoughts, Allie?

01:09:45.000 Ways people can support you or follow your work?

01:09:48.000 Sure, it's relatable wherever you listen to your podcast, or you can watch.

01:09:51.000 I've got a new book coming out, but I haven't announced it yet, so I'm not allowed to say what it's called, although I said it a few times tonight already.

01:09:59.000 And I've got that other book, You're Not Enough, and that's okay.

01:10:02.000 I've also got, if you are a woman, I don't even have to define that. 0.92

01:10:07.000 Everyone in this room knows what that is.

01:10:09.000 We have something called the Share the Arrows event that's September 28th in Dallas, Texas.

01:10:15.000 We've got Francesca Battistelli, Rosaria Butterfield, Elisa Childers, lots of other speakers, and it's Christian women coming together and empowering one another with the truth of God's word and the craziness of our culture.

01:10:29.000 You can go to sharethearrows.com and see more about that if you'd like.

01:10:33.000 But thank y'all so much.

01:10:35.000 Great questions and great energy in the room, too.

01:10:37.000 Thank you all so much for welcoming us.

01:10:39.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:10:40.000 Email us as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com.

01:10:43.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

01:10:47.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - June 16, 2024

How To Build Real Love Instead of Toxic Empathy: LIVE with Allie Beth Stuckey at Dream City Church

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