00:00:37.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:45.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
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00:02:07.000It's just that she has an amazingly godly way of communicating hard truths and biblical truths.
00:02:13.000In a world where young ladies are lacking role models, she is a godly role model, a mother, a wife, someone who understands the scriptures very well, and somebody that we're just honored to partner with.
00:02:27.000She is very, very gifted and not afraid to bring the heat against this broken culture.
00:02:33.000So join me in welcoming Allie Beth Stuckey.
00:03:31.000And anyway, you'll be able to watch it online.
00:03:33.000Again, nearly 2,000 young women from across the country will be gathering in San Antonio, Texas this weekend.
00:03:40.000It's a remarkable thing, all becoming force multipliers.
00:03:43.000Allie, why don't you just take a second, introduce yourself, the books you've written, your podcast, just introduce yourself to the audience.
00:03:51.000So my name is Allie Stuckey, and I am a wife and a mom of three girls.
00:03:56.000So that's more important or most important underneath my relationship with Jesus Christ, my desire to make him known is my vocation as a wife and mom.
00:04:06.000But then also, I host this podcast called Relatable.
00:04:09.000Good job getting the title of that right, Charlie, where we analyze news culture, politics, theology from a Christian conservative perspective.
00:04:20.000And I talk to mostly women ages 25 to 45 about the importance of building a biblical worldview.
00:04:29.000And the reason I did it, it was not the exact same story as Charlie's when he thought of turning point, but it was a little similar in that I was driving one day and I just realized, oh, this is a big problem.
00:05:18.000One of the sweet girls in my Bible study, who was so smart, she told me that she loved Bernie Sanders.
00:05:27.000And that is when I realized, okay, we've got some work to do.
00:05:34.000And so I speak to mostly Christian women.
00:05:38.000And by the way, she is a wife, mom, Trump voting conservative, Republican today, thankfully, by the grace of God.
00:05:48.000But anyway, and so that's why I started to do what I do now.
00:05:54.000I'm speaking to mostly Christian women.
00:05:57.000Okay, what does the Bible say about these issues?
00:06:00.000How do we approach these very controversial topics today that honestly most Christian female leaders are really wishy-washy, really mushy, really weak on?
00:06:12.000What does the Bible say about these things?
00:06:14.000And of course, I'm not the perfect arbiter of what the Bible says about everything, but my goal is to help us do our best in building our worldview on scripture.
00:07:01.000And I think it really goes all the way back to the Garden of Eden.
00:07:04.000We're seeing that reflected in the West today or maybe just in the world today when you look back at Adam's sin, the sin of passivity when he stood there as Eve listened to the serpent and took the bite that she shouldn't have taken.
00:07:18.000And then Eve hearing and being tempted to be convinced by the question, did God really say?
00:07:28.000And I still see that manifesting itself today among men and women.
00:07:35.000Women being tempted by this very deceptive and cunning question, but did God really say?
00:07:44.000Did God really say on the issue of marriage or on the issue of gender, on the issue of gender roles, whatever it is that the culture today deems controversial, did God really say?
00:07:58.000I like to say that women, I don't like to say it, but I do say it, that women are typically tempted by something that I call toxic empathy.
00:08:07.000Because we are feelings-based, because we have sympathy and have empathy for those who are on the margins and we really want to build relationships, we very often can confuse empathy for love.
00:08:22.000And we very often can obscure the truth just because we want to affirm how someone feels.
00:08:28.000And that gets a lot of women, even Christian women, in very unbiblical territory when it comes to social justice, when it comes to LGBTQ, when it comes to all kinds of issues that women have a lot of maybe rightful feelings about, but our feelings cannot obscure what the Word of God says about these things.
00:08:51.000And so I try to navigate that as much as I can.
00:08:54.000So the idea of male and female differences, that's a distinction that is fundamental to any society, which is one of the reasons why Satan tries to obscure those differences.
00:09:05.000Those differences are beautiful, and those distinctions are necessary for us to be able to live in a free society and live in a civil society.
00:09:13.000And we're seeing those eradicated on a daily basis.
00:09:17.000I got in a lot of trouble recently when I said, you might remember, and you defended me, by the way, very nicely on social media, where I, and I didn't say it as politely as Allie would have said it, but I said, young ladies, be careful prioritizing career over family formation, because you might end up in your early 30s with a career, but no family and lots of cats.
00:09:41.000I got in a lot of trouble for saying that.
00:09:58.000They are single, unmarried, career, college-educated young ladies living in the urban cities of this country that have made a conscious decision over a period of 10 or 15 years to not get into serious relationships and not prioritize family formation.
00:10:32.000You need to learn how to love yourself first.
00:10:35.000If you don't fully know yourself and love yourself and discover yourself and fulfill and empower yourself, then you'll never be able to be a good wife and mom and have other good relationships.
00:10:46.000Well, what happens when you believe that lie?
00:10:48.000Because it's not true, this whole thing that you can't love other people until you perfectly love yourself.
00:10:55.000I think that's actually a lie from the pit of hell that Satan uses to defer us from loving other people because we'll never perfectly love ourselves.
00:11:04.000And by the way, we're not even called to focus on loving ourselves at all.
00:11:09.000But women, we believe this self-empowerment talk because it sounds good.
00:11:13.000And so you believe that you can defer motherhood.
00:11:17.000And in an age when we think that biology is arbitrary, the biology of male and female, but also the biology of reproduction and the female body, it sounds really convincing.
00:11:28.000And then, like Charlie said, I may or may not have included cats as I was talking about this, but it's a fair point.
00:11:38.000A lot of women end up realizing, oh, I didn't realize that this would be so difficult at this point.
00:11:47.000I didn't realize that I wouldn't be able to find a man right away or get pregnant very easily just because that's how female, you know, biology tends to work.
00:11:58.000Now, I will say, and this is what I also said on my show, because I have beautiful, godly, single, 30-something friends who are doing all the right things.
00:12:10.000Who, yes, they have a career because what were they supposed to do?
00:12:14.000But they've been going to church, they've been serving, they've been trying to meet the right guy, they just haven't met the right person.
00:12:20.000And so I do also, I always want to give encouragement to that woman who feels like, oh my gosh, I've tried to do everything right and I haven't met the man that I'm going to marry.
00:12:32.000And then they feel like, oh, Charlie Kirk thinks I'm the cat lady and I'm not.
00:12:37.000I do want to speak to that woman because I have friends like that that are beautiful, godly women and total catches, and they just haven't found the right person.
00:12:45.000Is that God can use you fully right now, where you are, no matter your relationship status and no matter whether you have children.
00:13:01.000Your life doesn't start at that point?
00:13:04.000You're not in a holding pattern, you're not in some kind of earthly purgatory, you're not useless to the kingdom of God just because of your relationship status.
00:13:14.000Satan wants you to think that you're not a full woman or you're not a full Christian until XYZ happens, and that is a lie that will steal your joy and that will steal your usefulness for the kingdom of God.
00:13:26.000And so it's not a guarantee one that we're gonna get married.
00:13:29.000It's not a guarantee that we'll have children hopefully, I mean, that's what people hope for.
00:13:34.000But I just want you to know that if you want those things, God hasn't given you those things yet.
00:13:39.000You're being, you know, placed in the right spot to try to have those things one day.
00:13:44.000That you are still fully capable of being used by God right now, that's beautiful.
00:15:05.000We don't always like what we see when we look in the mirror.
00:15:07.000Maybe we regret something that we did, or we wish we could change something about our personalities or our capabilities.
00:15:14.000But we love ourselves innately in that we are always seeking to satisfy our own needs and wants, to quench our own thirst, to satisfy our own hunger.
00:15:24.000So, in that way, that you so naturally seek to meet your own needs, Jesus is saying, seek to meet the needs of other people.
00:15:31.000He's not talking about affection, he's not talking about liking your neighbor or liking yourself.
00:15:36.000He is talking about a sacrificial kind of love that we already very naturally feel for ourselves.
00:15:42.000We do not have a deficit of self-love in this country.
00:15:45.000Oh my goodness, we do not have a deficit of self-love.
00:15:58.000I saw an awful statistic on X today about how suicide rates are climbing and they're so much higher than they were just 10 years ago.
00:16:10.000And it's so interesting because we have more self-love talk, more self-empowerment talk, less shame, less stigma, more tolerance, more acceptance of everything.
00:16:22.000And still, we have this pandemic of despair.
00:16:26.000I mean, to me, it seems obvious that despair has gone up as godlessness has gone up, right?
00:16:33.000That as godlessness has increased, people have lost their joy, they've lost their purpose, they've lost their community, they've lost their hope, they've lost their faith in something bigger than themselves.
00:16:47.000And when the God of scripture is no longer on the throne, then we put the God of self on the throne, and the God of self is a cruel God, and it leads to the kind of despair and discouragement that we're seeing today.
00:17:01.000So, no, we don't need more self-love, we need a lot more of God's love, which looks very different.
00:17:12.000If you go into almost any public school here in Scottsdale or around the country, self-love is the state-run religion of K through 12 education.
00:17:23.000Well, also, paganism and environmental worship, anti-racism, transgenderism, grooming, those are state-run religions too.
00:17:30.000But self-love is the one that Christians fall for far too often.
00:17:35.000And here is the Allie, you said it perfectly.
00:17:38.000You would think that when a society starts to love themselves more, then let's just say actions of despair-suicide, drug overdosing, aimlessness, checking out of society-would go down.
00:17:52.000So, as we have prioritized self-esteem or self-love and we've de-emphasized self-control, big difference, we have seen the West collapse because when you have self-love, you're thinking about yourself all the time.
00:18:09.000Dare I say, I think you would agree, Allie, it is narcissistic at its core.
00:18:14.000I'm the most important thing in the world, so I'm gonna go give myself a metaphorical hug.
00:18:18.000And who cares if I keep on smoking weed or watching pornography because I have to love myself?
00:18:24.000No, the West was built on the biblical idea of duty and obligation, of what I ought to do.
00:18:32.000And when you start thinking about the divine and others more than you think about yourself, you're actually happier.
00:18:39.000When you think about yourself all the time, you will torment yourself into just basically into a corner.
00:18:46.000You can't, a human being can't survive like that.
00:18:48.000Why do you think Christians have become so susceptible to this?
00:18:53.000Because every so often I'll hear a pastor or two kind of spike, you know, add in a little bit of a self-love thing and just take a moment and think about yourself or you can do it if you put your mind to it.
00:19:06.000Yeah, I guess it's a form of therapeutic Christianity.
00:19:10.000And the therapy world is very influenced by New Age philosophy.
00:19:15.000And I see this a lot among Christian women reading books that are really more New Age.
00:19:21.000And the idea goes like this, that we are all on a journey to find ourselves and that inside we have this beautiful goddess that's really perfect.
00:19:32.000And if we throw off all societal expectations, toxic relationships, people's unfair standards, religion, rules, all of that, then we'll unleash this perfect goddess inside of ourselves and everything that we've ever wanted will finally become ours and we'll finally be happy and fulfilled.
00:19:53.000Every single teacher, every single author I know that has pushed that message behind her is broken relationships, broken friendships, a lot of deceit, and simply a lot of sadness.
00:20:11.000That is not the journey that the Christian is on.
00:20:15.000In scripture, when we see self-something else, it's never self-empowerment or self-sufficiency.
00:20:46.000We can look at any toddler that we see running around and we see the terror that it looks like when someone is only concerned with what they want in any given moment.
00:20:59.000So yeah, to answer your question, I think it's New Age therapy that has woven itself into Christianity.
00:21:06.000And they think telling people that feeling better about yourself is the same thing as the gospel.
00:21:13.000And I compare it to, I think an entire generation has effectively lived the metaphorical King Solomon life, meaning they've done everything they want to do.
00:21:23.000They've had every earthly treasure imaginable.
00:21:25.000And I encourage you guys just to open up the first couple of verses of Ecclesiastes.
00:21:30.000You'll think you're reading like a 16-year-old suicide note.
00:22:21.000And again, the whole generation has effectively lived that life, which is hedonism at its core, pleasure first above all.
00:22:30.000I will worship myself and I will not die to myself for Christ.
00:22:35.000And we're seeing the ramifications of that.
00:22:39.000Allie, our job is hard because our job is to tell a broken culture to basically repent from their vices and to go through a chapter that might be uncomfortable, but it's actually better for them.
00:22:55.000It's trying to get a country to take the metaphorical cough medicine, essentially.
00:22:59.000And the church is supposed to be the one issuing that correction to the error.
00:23:15.000And I just, how do we best correct a broken culture without running the risk of being, let's just say, credibly accused of being legalistic or too harsh?
00:23:26.000By credibly, I mean outside of the nonsensical fake Christians that issue those criticisms towards us.
00:23:33.000Yeah, you know, what she said reminded me of something.
00:23:35.000And we see a lot of videos of deconstruction.
00:23:38.000I'm sure you all have heard of ex-evangelicals or the deconstruction movement, and especially in the month of June.
00:23:58.000So it made me think of something because whenever I hear the deconstruction testimonies of people who say, oh, I know everything that you guys believe because I was raised believing that too.
00:24:09.000And now I'm so much smarter on the other side because I don't believe it.
00:24:13.000It usually has to do with their sexual sin.
00:24:15.000And they wanted to give in to their sexual sin or their friend's sexual sin.
00:24:19.000And they didn't want to tell their friend that they're in sin.
00:24:21.000And they'll say something like, you know, I tried to repent of that.
00:24:26.000Or I tried to pray away that struggle.
00:24:28.000Or I tried, you know, being holy and I just couldn't do it.
00:24:33.000And I'm like, oh, someone along the way of your faith told you that it was going to be easy.
00:24:40.000Someone told you that this sanctification business was going to be fun all the time.
00:24:46.000Someone told you that we would just be able to pray our struggles away and they would be gone the next day.
00:24:51.000And that's what the Christian life was going to look like.
00:24:53.000No one ever told you that self-denial is going to be hard from here until glory.
00:25:00.000And so a lot of the deconstruction movement, I think, is actually because of unfair expectations that are placed on them by pastors who say that Christianity is all about just being happy and loving yourself when it's not.
00:25:15.000We get something so much better through Christ.
00:25:18.000We get liberation from our sin and of course freedom from sin and sorrow forever and ever in heaven with him.
00:25:24.000But now I'm forgetting what your what your question was because I went on my side.
00:26:17.000I don't go on college campuses in the same way that you do and have those interactions with people I disagree with every day.
00:26:23.000But I had this almost three-hour debate on another podcast with a teacher who calls himself, of course, this is not something that's real, but he calls himself non-binary.
00:26:34.000And he has a very large TikTok platform.
00:26:36.000He is a teacher of, I think, middle school students, and he's always talking about these things.
00:26:40.000He has his degree in statistics from Dartmouth.
00:26:44.000He went to Johns Hopkins for his education degree.
00:26:47.000So he really felt like he brought a lot to the table when we were debating gender ideology.
00:26:54.000And I had the opportunity to really minister to him in that conversation without backing down at all.
00:27:02.000I mean, I did not back down one centimeter, not even a little bit, because the truth is so obvious and it's so easy.
00:27:12.000And I did not have to give credence to anything he said.
00:27:16.000But when he told me, which was not surprising at all, that he was raised by two women, that he had no dad in his life, and really no father figure at all, and that he was very confused by the time he was a teenager and he felt like he was in the wrong body.
00:27:32.000It was that moment that I got to say, I bet that was so hard.
00:29:27.000And so we cannot judge our obedience by people's reaction to us.
00:29:34.000So, Allie, I want to just cover one more thing here, then we'll do some questions.
00:29:39.000It is, remember, pride is a sin, and an entire month dedicated to pride probably is a piece of evidence that your culture is falling apart.
00:29:50.000And I want to say this as fairly as one can say it: that Jordan Peterson, his credit, had a great clip on this.
00:29:57.000I want to make sure I give him credit because he hasn't spoken out about this in the past.
00:30:01.000If you have reduced your entire identity to your sexual behavior, and that is who you identify as, that is not the best way that you should present yourself to the world, and nor should we accept that from people that we truly love.
00:30:16.000That's the best way I can say it: is that if your sexual behavior is the most important thing to you, that's really weird.
00:31:57.000But she does seem, but this is where it gets dangerous.
00:32:00.000She does seem very sincere and very sweet.
00:32:03.000And she, a couple years ago, and I talked about it on my podcast at the time and people freaked out about it because she invited Dylan Mulvaney, the grown man who calls himself a girl and got famous from dressing up basically like a six-year-old girl on TikTok.
00:32:58.000She follows back up saying, the reason I celebrate pride, she says, is because of my Christian faith.
00:33:04.000Because Jesus tells me to love my neighbor as myself, and there are no exceptions.
00:33:10.000And so, Miss Rachel, as sincere and as sweet as I think that she probably is, she confuses, she confuses love, biblical love, with that toxic empathy.
00:33:25.000Toxic empathy says, because I can feel what you feel, I have to affirm what you feel is good.
00:34:32.000The Bible starts with the marriage and ends with the marriage.
00:34:36.000That's how important it is that we here on earth as husband and wife are an earthly reflection of the spiritual eternal marriage between Christ the bridegroom and the church the bride.
00:35:41.000I have a just-turned 14-year-old daughter, loves Jesus, straight A student, great girl, but is struggling with what you talked about to let go of trying to center things around what she wants.
00:35:55.000And all too often at home, it ends in frustration and emotions all over the place.
00:36:00.000And we pray for her and we talk to her.
00:36:01.000She even knows the verse, if you seek to find yourself, you'll lose it.
00:36:06.000But if you seek to lose yourself, you'll find it, and so forth.
00:36:09.000And she's still struggling mightily with that.
00:36:11.000What suggestions do you have to encourage and help her with that?
00:36:16.000Yeah, you know, I only have experience as having been that teenage girl, not parenting that teenage girl.
00:36:24.000So I can't come from that perspective.
00:36:27.000It does sound, yes, of course, it's sinful for anyone to center ourselves, but it sounds like a lot of normal teenage girl stuff.
00:36:36.000And as long as it truly is a struggle, and this is true for all of us, and what I mean by that, when a lot of people say, oh, I'm struggling with this sin, are you struggling with that sin or are you just sinning and feeling bad about it?
00:36:51.000And so if she is actively trying, through the grace of God, to resist that selfishness, maybe even not in a legalistic way, but give herself goals of selflessness and charity and generosity and putting other people before herself every day.
00:37:35.000All right, so Charlie, I know you're a little iffy on the college, maybe being a scam or a knot, but I want to know, so next year I'm attending Baylor University, a private Christian conservative school.
00:37:46.000So I want to know, like, what's the best advice you'd give me to not only succeed academically, but also by faith?
00:39:30.000And if you feel like it's a waste of time, just drop out.
00:39:33.000I mean, I know that sounds like, I know your mom's going to throw something at me or whatever.
00:39:37.000But this is important, which is, and I will challenge every parent out there that might not like what I'm saying, which is, if you had to choose, this is actually a really good question for parents to ask your kid going to college.
00:39:50.000Ask your kid going to college, when I raised you, do you think I would prefer that you get a college degree or be a good person?
00:39:59.000And have your son or daughter answer that back to you?
00:40:02.000That would be a very interesting thing.
00:40:05.000And vast majority of kids will say, oh, my parents would much rather have me get a college degree.
00:40:11.000College degrees are way more valuable in high society than being a person of good character.
00:40:18.000Again, one of the reasons I hate college is that it is a Petri dish for the worst behavior, the worst actions, and the worst worldview.
00:40:26.000You become a worse person at most colleges.
00:40:30.000And again, it doesn't mean that you have to, but you're constantly surrounded by hookup culture, premarital sex, getting blackout drunk, drug usage, bad worldviews, deconstructionism.
00:40:42.000Join the Turning Point USA chapter is number one, right?
00:40:45.000Because we are a hedge against those things.
00:40:48.000And yeah, look, I know you might think that I'm being unfair to the college thing, but I think I have been rather vindicated this last year when we saw this Hamas garbage happening on campuses across the country.
00:41:01.000I'm just saying, and I say this with no exaggeration, that is just a taste.
00:41:07.000Now, if you are going to go, here's the cool thing.
00:41:10.000You can decide to become a better person, but it's going to take a lot of work, a lot of self-control, the Holy Spirit, being like, I'm not going to drink for four years.
00:41:22.000Like, that would actually make our college experience awesome.
00:41:24.000I'm going to go spend extra time with professors.
00:41:26.000I'm going to leverage this to meet the best alumni of Baylor and to become, by the way, the number one thing that college gets you is not knowledge.
00:41:34.000It's connections or people, which again, you don't need college for that, but like it is learning from the alumni and getting a piece of paper so that people take you seriously.
00:42:39.000And something I love about this book is that he says, in every conversation that we have, we're getting the person closer to truth and closer to Christ.
00:42:50.000It's not that in every conversation we're trying to win the argument or that we're taking the ball into the end zone.
00:42:57.000I think that's the correct terminology.
00:42:59.000In every conversation, you are inching them closer to the truth.
00:43:02.000And that means that you can start by asking him questions that make him think about it in a way that maybe he's never thought about it before.
00:43:11.000So have you talked to your daughter about this?
00:43:16.000What do you think about when the Bible says this?
00:43:19.000If you ask him questions based on scripture and what God's word says about sexuality and the importance of raising our children in the Lord and admonishing them in what is right, what God says about sexuality, make him think about it a little bit more.
00:43:33.000See if he'll read a book that you suggest to him about someone.
00:43:38.000There's lots who used to live a gay lifestyle and then came to Christ and completely repented of that.
00:43:44.000There are a lot of ways that you can help push your friend towards Christ without alienating them right away because they might be offended.
00:43:54.000But cultivating and planting those seeds and making him think, you never know how God is going to water and give growth to your efforts in pushing him towards what's true.
00:44:10.000I know like one thing that like really upset Jesus was when like people were selling stuff inside of the church.
00:44:17.000He like flipped over tables and stuff.
00:44:19.000How do you feel about like people like selling their books and you know kind of making a marketplace of the church, so you say?
00:44:28.000And also my second question would be, I know that like one of the big things he mentions over and over is idol worship and idol and idol and idol.
00:44:37.000Do you feel like caffeine and social media are kind of like underlooked in the church community and like kind of no one really like says anything about it or mentions it?
00:44:48.000They might like mention it a little bit, but it's not very like, it's not spoken of as like an idol.
00:45:14.000So, yeah, look, I'll first say, I don't know how caffeine could become an idol.
00:45:19.000I actually think caffeine is a different type of drug because it actually at its best is used to make you more productive, which is why I have a lot of it.
00:45:28.000In fact, I'm actually on a 90-day caffeine fast because I had way too much caffeine for a long period of time.
00:45:34.000You actually don't need caffeine as much as you think you do.
00:46:03.000And that is the indulgence culture of food that is bad for you and lifestyles that defile the temple that God has given you, which is your body.
00:46:16.000Far as the marketplace, I mean, look, I will say that in certain circumstances, if you run a church and you're trying to personally profit from it, then yeah, of course, obviously.
00:46:27.000But no, I have no problem with somebody that makes their living off of like selling a book or whatever, as long as it's done tastefully and voluntarily.
00:46:37.000I find no problem with that whatsoever.
00:46:39.000Yeah, and it also, he said, like, you've turned my house into a den of robbers.
00:46:43.000And so there was a lot of exploitation going on there.
00:46:49.000It wasn't just simple supply and demand.
00:46:52.000There was exploitation of the poor, cheating that was going on there.
00:46:56.000The temple wasn't being used for the worship that it should have been used for.
00:46:59.000Like, I don't think it's wrong for a house of worship that is truly dedicated to worshiping the Lord, but like there's also a bookstore there to sell books.
00:47:07.000I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
00:48:11.000She realized, okay, this is just not working.
00:48:15.000But she had, for a period of time, alienated herself from her Christian conservative parents who would never call her Jake and would never call her he, him.
00:48:25.000And for a while, she thought, well, they're just bigots.
00:48:27.000They're church or bigots, and I don't want to be around them.
00:48:31.000Well, the Lord ended up softening her heart.
00:48:33.000She ended up transcribing some Bible verses for her mom's Bible study.
00:48:37.000And while she was doing that, the Lord used his word, as he does, to start to convict her and to change her heart.
00:48:45.000And then, long story short, she became a Christian.
00:48:50.000Now, of course, she's living as what she always has been, a woman.
00:48:53.000But what she says when she shares her testimony is that the first people that she went to after her conversion and after she realized she had to detransition were the people that always called her Laura, were the people that never wavered.
00:49:08.000The people that never affirmed the deceit in her life.
00:49:13.000The people that affirmed her deceit are the people who helped her ruin.
00:49:17.000I don't want to say ruin her body, but irreversibly change her body.
00:49:20.000But it was her parents and that conservative evangelical church that never wavered, that always said, you're a woman made in the image of God.
00:50:27.000I mean that the person might think they are something that they are not, but they do not become the other thing just because you think the thing.
00:50:35.000The ramifications of accepting transgenderism as normative identification is civilizational ending.
00:50:44.000It is you can choose your age, you could choose your race, you can choose your income level, you could choose whatever you want based on mental status.
00:50:52.000So, there has Dr. Miriam Grossman, who is here.
00:50:55.000I encourage you to re-listen to that podcast.
00:50:59.000She said it great, which is that there's almost never a case of somebody that has transgenderism that does not have underlying, undiagnosed bipolar schizophrenia, depression, generalized anxiety disorder, or other issues alongside of it.
00:51:15.000So, transgenderism, most times, 99.9% of the time, is a symptom.
00:51:20.000So, for example, if Allie all of a sudden says, I have a fever, that tells us nothing.
00:51:27.000She could have a bacterial infection, she could have COVID, her appendix might burst, there's like 500 different reasons why human beings break into a fever.
00:51:38.000So, transgenderism is a fever, it is a symptom, and so we are trying to treat a symptom without actually going to the root cause, which unfortunately, American medicine is all about symptom management and not trying to get to root causes far too often.
00:51:54.000That's a systemic problem across the board.
00:52:15.000I got two daughters, both career women, and they have dogs.
00:52:18.000And as a father, I've tried to get into the conversation.
00:52:22.000I was wondering if on your relatable website, if you've got any material or maybe you can just role play some reason for me to break into that subject matter without getting them angry with me.
00:52:33.000You mean they have dogs that they use as replacement for children?
00:52:38.000So, this is a very sensitive conversation because women, young people, do not realize they are channeling their natural biological urge for children into plants and pets.
00:55:02.000So, how can us children of God or people who go to Native Americans that go to church be influential and encouraging to other Native Americans on the reservation,
00:55:16.000especially the Navajo Nation, because it's one of the biggest parts of Arizona, and their votes are very important to whoever is going to be elected and in the Arizona state to become it's very hard for Native American women,
00:55:32.000there's a stronghold on that, of becoming submissive wives and being loving and you know, gentle and caring mothers just because a generational abuse and a lot of mothers there they come from for me, I'm the only one who's saved in my family, so I don't have a mother figure to look up to who can love their child the way God would want to.
00:55:58.000And James City has been a big influence on my life.
00:56:28.000First of all, let's just make sure this is mentioned.
00:56:32.000Number one, community with a lot of addiction, right, and a lot of problems.
00:56:37.000And so only Jesus Christ can set the Native Americans free from that addiction and that cycle of addiction.
00:56:43.000And so you must be relentless in sharing that.
00:56:46.000Number two, there is still a lot of paganistic folklore that exists in Native backgrounds.
00:56:53.000And so Christianity is against a lot of that paganistic folklore, which is why you say you're the only one that's saved.
00:57:00.000But look, I see a huge movement in traditionally left-wing populations, Native American, Hispanic, black communities, that are increasingly open to the conservative message.
00:57:14.000This is a difficult thing to communicate, but Native American reservations are by far some of the most messed up places in America.
00:57:24.000And it's largely because of government policies, of subsidizing the worst behavior, of massive amounts of social welfare state.
00:57:33.000And if you want the real tragedy, it's we mistreated the Native population legitimately 150 years ago.
00:57:40.000Like there's no spin, like just the way it is.
00:57:42.000And now we've continued to mistreat them in the name of compassion the last 100 years.
00:57:48.000Is that Native Americans deserve better than non-stop government programs and addiction and welfare programs?
00:58:37.000What I wanted to ask is, what is your best advice for a young Christian, strongly conservative teen boy to not stay strong in my beliefs and not stray away to the left and become an atheist despite pushback from any future hypothetical friends or just pressure I might face graduating out of school in a couple years?
00:59:03.000I would say one of the most important things, so I did go to college.
00:59:08.000I'm not recommending going to college, but I did go to college.
00:59:12.000And Charlie is 100% right about college, by the way.
00:59:15.000I learned everything I need to know by 12th grade.
00:59:18.000It was just a few connections that I'm thankful for.
00:59:21.000And then I ended up meeting my husband from that.
00:59:26.000But the thing that kept me sane, that kept me from becoming a communist in college, was immediately surrounding myself with like-minded people.
00:59:39.000Immediately joining a local church, immediately joining a Bible study, immediately joining the campus ministry, immediately getting to know a variety of Christian families in the city who I started babysitting for.
00:59:51.000All of those people and the structure that they created around my life and holding me accountable and keeping me solid, like there's so much power in looking around and realizing, oh, I'm not the only one.
01:00:04.000You have to surround yourself with people that are godlier than you are, that are stronger than you are, that are more sure about their faith and their belief system than you are, so that they can sharpen you as iron sharpens iron.
01:00:42.000You're getting a lot of college questions, but I plan on attending Grand Kinney University in the fall.
01:00:48.000I understand how it's a little bit of a touchy subject, especially in the conservative world.
01:00:54.000I was wondering if both of you would speak into this because what I'm struggling with with college is that I'm told a lot by conservative media, by Christians, that it's not necessary for you, your spiritual growth, your professional growth, but no one will hire me without a college degree.
01:01:14.000And I say this not try, like I've tried.
01:01:17.000So I actually applied for a turning point internship and I was told that I had to either be in my second year of college or an equivalent.
01:01:47.000But yeah, so it's just been really hard for me because I've been told I'm not yet old enough or I don't have the experience or people won't hire me without the work ethic that they know I have if I have a degree.
01:01:59.000So I'm going through this process, and I'm not saying I'm not looking forward to it because I believe college has a lot of things to offer, especially because I'm going.
01:02:07.000My dad's a pastor in the area, so I already am very grounded in my faith.
01:02:42.000So, so, so, you're, you're, so, in college, just, you know, if you want to find a husband, that's a great place to do that, um, potentially.
01:02:50.000And honestly, it's probably worth it because a lot of people can't find husbands.
01:02:53.000So, getting an MRS degree is totally legit.
01:02:56.000No, I'm totally like, no, I'm not diminishing that, by the way.
01:02:59.000If you say I'm going to college, find a husband, like, I totally respect that.
01:03:52.000That's, I mean, basically why I went to college because everyone just went to college and that's what she did.
01:03:57.000And that is how I got my job that I then was able to meet my husband from that.
01:04:02.000So I feel you, but I do think, I don't know how quickly it's going to change, but I do think employers, at least in our sphere, Christian conservative sphere, are looking less and less at degrees and more.
01:05:32.000No, I mean, true wealth is how many children you have or how good your relationship is with them.
01:05:37.000I mean, look, I know that might sound really radical, but I've been radicalized by the amount of people that did not prioritize family formation, and they delayed and they delayed and they delayed.
01:05:48.000And again, the most beautiful stories I hear are from families that they had more kids than they could afford, and they extended themselves a little bit.
01:05:57.000And in that insanity and that chaos, they're formed very, very close together.
01:06:03.000And so, yeah, look, it might not be financially easy, but you have to answer a question.
01:06:07.000Do you want to live a simple life or a deep life?
01:06:11.000And if you want to live a deep life, that involves having children and getting married.
01:06:15.000And again, for those of us that have kids, it is not easy.
01:06:34.000Like, okay, have two kids under the age of two and go give yourself like a nice mental hug or whatever weird Buddhist thing you're doing.
01:06:42.000And so, yeah, look, again, I might that sound like radical advice, but have at least, you know, have a couple kids and then see how that works.
01:06:50.000But it's the most amazing thing and do it while you can.
01:07:57.000That might be something that you like to do.
01:08:00.000Prayer and reading your Bible, those are two of the best ways to get closer to God.
01:08:04.000Make sure that you're going to, I don't know if you're going to this church or not, but if you go to this church, that's great.
01:08:10.000Make sure that you've got older men or older boys who are older than you, who are discipling you, who are mentoring you, and who are teaching you what's good, right, and true.
01:08:24.000Yeah, make sure that you're plugged into the local church and to people who can influence you well.
01:09:45.000Ways people can support you or follow your work?
01:09:48.000Sure, it's relatable wherever you listen to your podcast, or you can watch.
01:09:51.000I've got a new book coming out, but I haven't announced it yet, so I'm not allowed to say what it's called, although I said it a few times tonight already.
01:09:59.000And I've got that other book, You're Not Enough, and that's okay.
01:10:02.000I've also got, if you are a woman, I don't even have to define that.
01:10:07.000Everyone in this room knows what that is.
01:10:09.000We have something called the Share the Arrows event that's September 28th in Dallas, Texas.
01:10:15.000We've got Francesca Battistelli, Rosaria Butterfield, Elisa Childers, lots of other speakers, and it's Christian women coming together and empowering one another with the truth of God's word and the craziness of our culture.
01:10:29.000You can go to sharethearrows.com and see more about that if you'd like.