The Charlie Kirk Show - How to Defund Jack Smith with Rep. Jim Jordan

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Canada Charlie Kirk Show.

00:00:01.000 Jim Jordan joins us in an unusual proposal to defund Jack Smith and more.

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00:00:18.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:34.000 We're going to be talking about that throughout the hour and mentioning it.

00:01:37.000 I do want to make sure, I got to get to this Mitt Romney story, but first, this is the most pressing thing.

00:01:43.000 I was in Lubbock, Texas this last weekend, and I spoke privately to a state representative who does not like Ken Paxton, and he is helping lead the charge for the impeachment and removal of Ken Paxton.

00:01:53.000 And he believes that Ken Paxton might be removed as Attorney General of Texas.

00:01:57.000 This is a private, very, very heated conversation that I had.

00:02:00.000 And we have gone through the Ken Paxton thing in some great detail.

00:02:04.000 But the impeachment proceedings are progressing in Texas.

00:02:09.000 The Texas Attorney General needs 10 state senators to vote to acquit.

00:02:13.000 And I've been told by insiders that it is mech and neck right now in the state of Texas, mech and mech, as close as you could possibly imagine.

00:02:21.000 And I think it's unbelievable.

00:02:23.000 While the border remains wide open and millions of people are waltzing into the state of Texas, Donald Trump faces 500 years in federal prison.

00:02:29.000 The federal government is criminalizing everyday MAGA patriots that the priority of the Republican Texas House of Representatives and the Senate is to remove Ken Paxton as Attorney General.

00:02:39.000 What is that all about?

00:02:40.000 It's unbelievable.

00:02:41.000 I'm not even defending Ken Paxton's alleged affairs or any of that.

00:02:45.000 I don't support that.

00:02:46.000 Why are you removing an effective Attorney General while your country is being invaded?

00:02:50.000 So we're going to put this up on screen.

00:02:52.000 We're going to put this at charliekirk.com.

00:02:53.000 If you are living, if you live in Texas, you need to contact these people.

00:02:57.000 This is the other thing, is Ken Paxton was elected by double digits by over 4 million Texans, even after every allegation against him was made public.

00:03:04.000 So the voters wanted him to be Attorney General of Texas, but then the oligarchs of the Texas House of Representatives and the Senate want to overturn that election.

00:03:13.000 So it's Brian Hughes, Mays Middleton, Drew Springer, Phil King, Charles Perry, Brian Birdwell, Pete Flores, Kevin Sparks, Charles Schirtwerner, and Kelly Hancock.

00:03:24.000 I could read all these phone numbers, but instead, we're going to put this on our Telegram channel.

00:03:28.000 It's on my ex or my Twitter feed.

00:03:30.000 It's on our social media channels.

00:03:31.000 I encourage you to be respectful, polite, be direct to these lawmakers.

00:03:37.000 And if they're able to remove Ken Paxton, they are basically going to tell the millions of Texans that voted for Ken Paxton that we do not care about elections.

00:03:46.000 This would make the Texas House of Representatives and the Texas Senate no better than Jack Smith.

00:03:51.000 No better.

00:03:52.000 That we can overturn an election.

00:03:54.000 The voters said we know about Ken Paxton's quote-unquote baggage, and we think that the positives outweigh the negatives.

00:04:00.000 Okay, this is all about trying to intimidate other attorney generals while Texas is being invaded.

00:04:06.000 Texas is being targeted, and this is the priority.

00:04:10.000 Okay, so let's just make sure you guys contact there, be respectful, and we're going to send their information.

00:04:18.000 Okay, Mitt Romney retires from the United States Senate yesterday.

00:04:27.000 I have plenty of thoughts on this.

00:04:30.000 This is not a celebration for me.

00:04:32.000 Well, it's a celebration that he's no longer a senator, but just the story of Mitt Romney.

00:04:37.000 I used to love Mitt Romney when I was in high school.

00:04:39.000 Many of you did too.

00:04:41.000 You thought that he was the guy.

00:04:42.000 Boy, were we blind back then?

00:04:44.000 Boy, was I naive.

00:04:45.000 Where I used to think that it was just Republican v. Democrat, and all we had to do is elect someone to trim around the edges and pass some regulatory reform.

00:04:54.000 We now see a much bigger picture.

00:04:56.000 If there has been one positive of the last decade, as we realize that there's a gang, a cartel, a mafia of insiders and oligarchs that are calling the shots, that wear jerseys on both political parties, that import cheap products from other countries that destroy our industrial base, that keep our borders wide open.

00:05:12.000 They call this neoliberalism.

00:05:14.000 Mitt Romney is a cheerleader for smug Upper East Coast neoliberalism.

00:05:19.000 And Mitt Romney, former governor of Massachusetts and now senator, soon to not be senator of Utah, is the perfect representation of out-of-touch neoliberalism, exactly what MAGA and populist Trump ideas have been challenging.

00:05:36.000 Mitt Romney ran in 2012 as a technocrat.

00:05:39.000 If you look at it, Mitt Romney and Barack Obama disagreed on very little.

00:05:43.000 Barack Obama literally took Mitt Romney's health care plan and implemented it nationwide.

00:05:48.000 They agreed on almost every single foreign policy idea.

00:05:51.000 In fact, Barack Obama was actually a little bit more isolationist than Mitt Romney was.

00:05:57.000 Mitt Romney was the one that was telling us about Russia back in 2012 as a parrot of the intel agencies.

00:06:05.000 Well, Mitt Romney speaks out, play cut 78.

00:06:08.000 Republican Party that is beholden to former President Donald Trump.

00:06:11.000 Well, there's no question but that the Republican Party today is in the shadow of Donald Trump.

00:06:16.000 He is the leader of the greatest portion of the Republican Party.

00:06:20.000 It's a populist, I believe, demagogue portion of the party.

00:06:23.000 Look, I represent a small wing of the party, if you will.

00:06:26.000 I call it the wise wing of the Republican Party.

00:06:29.000 And I don't believe we're going away.

00:06:31.000 I think ultimately we'll see a resurgence and come back into leadership of the party.

00:06:36.000 He's an oligarch.

00:06:37.000 Mitt Romney is an oligarch.

00:06:40.000 He says, as a Republican from Utah, he says that I'm really concerned that Republicans are not facing the crisis of climate change.

00:06:49.000 As a Republican, he is saying that.

00:06:52.000 And he says, we are the wise wing of the Republican Party.

00:06:57.000 What does he mean by that?

00:06:58.000 Plato famously wrote in The Republic of this idea of a philosopher king, a group of people that know better, people that are enlightened.

00:07:06.000 They're in the clouds.

00:07:07.000 While you, the everyday people, you don't call the shots.

00:07:12.000 Mitt Romney looks at himself as someone that has been chosen to rule.

00:07:18.000 This is why they're always yielding to experts.

00:07:20.000 Mitt Romney doesn't just think he's better than you.

00:07:22.000 He thinks he can run your life better than you.

00:07:25.000 He's the wise wing that thinks they can centrally plan everything from the failed war in Ukraine to the failed vaccine rollout to the failed Obamacare website.

00:07:35.000 Mitt Romney will never take responsibility for anything.

00:07:39.000 Play cut 76.

00:07:40.000 You know, contrary to a lot of expectations, I enjoy my work in the Senate a good deal.

00:07:46.000 I've spent my last 25 years in public service of one kind or another.

00:07:52.000 At the end of another term, I'd be in my mid-80s.

00:07:56.000 Frankly, it's time for a new generation of leaders.

00:08:01.000 They're the ones that need to make the decisions that will shape the world they will be living in.

00:08:07.000 Now, we face critical challenges.

00:08:09.000 Mounting national debt, climate change, and the ambitious authoritarians of Russia and China. 0.77

00:08:16.000 Climate change.

00:08:17.000 Why do we need Democrats when we have people like Mitt Romney?

00:08:20.000 Now, I have to say one thing.

00:08:22.000 One thing impresses me about Mitt Romney.

00:08:24.000 He does not look 76.

00:08:26.000 I got to tell you, he looks really good for his age.

00:08:29.000 No BS, no spin.

00:08:31.000 Whatever sort of diet regimen, workout regimen, supplement regimen that Mitt Romney is on, I'm impressed.

00:08:38.000 Okay, but that's not why we're here.

00:08:41.000 And I will say, Mitt Romney, out of all the people that say that they're too old for office, I don't doubt his capacity to serve.

00:08:50.000 I do doubt his worldview and his ideas.

00:08:54.000 In fact, I find them to be repulsive and reprehensible because Mitt Romney played the voters of Utah.

00:09:01.000 Remember, Mitt Romney went to Bedminster to go beg Donald Trump for an endorsement to run for the Senate, gets it, and then right before he gets sworn in, he writes a Washington Post article saying that Donald Trump is not fit to serve.

00:09:14.000 So he gets the endorsement, wins the election, writes an op-ed, and says Donald Trump is not fit to serve.

00:09:20.000 Stabs him in the back.

00:09:22.000 Now, there's this very, very long piece because it's a precursor to a book by McKay Coppins.

00:09:29.000 And it's actually very well written, I have to say, as far as diction and readability.

00:09:34.000 It's awfully entertaining because there's some alleged insider conversations because we know who Mitt Romney is.

00:09:40.000 Mitt Romney's a globalist.

00:09:41.000 He's a neoliberal, neocon.

00:09:42.000 Good riddance, get out of our sights.

00:09:44.000 The Republican Party is better the less Mitt Romney that we have around.

00:09:47.000 However, what he reveals in this piece is something I've been telling you about, something that you guys know about, that is even worse than Mitt Romney, which is the people that lied to you.

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00:11:01.000 I honestly think this is one of the most promising developments over the last decade.

00:11:07.000 It's a promising development that Mitt Romney basically has to retire in shame and he believes that he is in the vast minority of the party.

00:11:14.000 But remember what he said, oh, oh, we will rise again.

00:11:16.000 Not if we have anything to say about it, Willard Mitt Romney.

00:11:19.000 Oligarchs like you have no place in the Republican Party.

00:11:22.000 Period.

00:11:23.000 Now, in this piece in theatlantic.com, he basically allowed this writer, McKay Coppins, who is a talented writer, no doubt.

00:11:33.000 The piece was very readable, I have to say.

00:11:37.000 Full inside access of Mitt Romney.

00:11:39.000 And they try to make him seem like he's some sort of martyr.

00:11:42.000 And they paint Mitt Romney as a young kid who never knew if he could sit at the cool kids' table at the cafeteria table at the cafeteria.

00:11:50.000 Feels the same way at the Senate lunch.

00:11:52.000 Nothing has changed for Mitt Romney.

00:11:54.000 Okay, yeah, you're the too good for school, too good for us, virtue signaling smug.

00:11:59.000 And nothing has changed from being unpopular in high school to being unpopular in the Senate.

00:12:09.000 But let's focus on one part of the piece.

00:12:12.000 Throughout the piece, it talks about how Mitt Romney would privately talk to other senators.

00:12:19.000 And I actually believe this part of the article, where Mitt Romney would start to confide in other senators because he would speak against Trump and speak against Trump.

00:12:28.000 And other senators would say, boy, I wish I could speak out like you could, Mitt, but I'm afraid of my voters.

00:12:33.000 I agree with you.

00:12:36.000 Now, there's two takeaways there.

00:12:38.000 The first takeaway is that you are making an impact on senators' behavior.

00:12:44.000 That's a big deal.

00:12:46.000 It's a big deal that they're afraid of their voters and being primaried.

00:12:50.000 That's a good thing.

00:12:51.000 Now, they go on to say that, oh, these senators are physically afraid of their voters and that there's going to be violence because it's nonsense. 0.99

00:12:57.000 That's garbage, okay? 0.99

00:12:59.000 But they should. 0.99

00:13:00.000 That if they were to go to vote and convict and impeach Donald Trump, they should be primaried and removed from office.

00:13:06.000 So that's number one.

00:13:07.000 That's a favorable takeaway.

00:13:08.000 The second one, it goes to show how the Senate Republicans have been playing you and playing Trump for quite some time.

00:13:23.000 Saying the right things while not actually believing them.

00:13:28.000 Mitt Romney says, quote, a very large portion of my party really doesn't believe in the Constitution.

00:13:33.000 He'd realized this only recently.

00:13:36.000 We were a few months removed from an attempted coup instigated by Republican leaders.

00:13:41.000 Right.

00:13:42.000 Goes on to say that senators would say, boy, I wish I had your state.

00:13:46.000 I wish my state was like yours.

00:13:49.000 Other senators say.

00:13:50.000 Mitt Romney tells us exactly who he is.

00:13:57.000 He is not a conservative.

00:13:59.000 He is not a grassroots populist.

00:14:03.000 And it makes you wonder how many other people in the Senate are hiding in plain sight who really believe nothing.

00:14:15.000 It goes on, and Mitt Romney said he learned when he was in the Senate that most people are just transactional.

00:14:22.000 They just want to win reelection, including you, Mitt Romney, until you resign.

00:14:28.000 Here's how you know Mitt Romney has completely lost any harmony with the grassroots. 0.98

00:14:37.000 When you have Hillary Clinton praising you on MSNBC, you have to really take a step back and say, wow, our party has changed for the better to kick clowns like this out of our circle. 0.96

00:14:50.000 Play cut 77. 0.70

00:14:52.000 You know, Joe, it's hard to imagine how much worse it's gotten from what we thought was pretty much the bottom.

00:15:00.000 And I really appreciate Senator Romney being so forthright and laying out his firsthand observations and understanding of what's going on inside not just the Republicans in the Senate, but the entire Republican Party.

00:15:18.000 It is something that is hard for me to really understand.

00:15:24.000 You know, I was in the Senate for eight years.

00:15:26.000 I served with a number of the people who are still there.

00:15:29.000 I used to believe they all knew better, that they went along with the criminality of Trump and his enablers for their own reasons, but that at some point they would call halt.

00:15:42.000 And now I don't recognize these people.

00:15:45.000 And it's such a disservice to the country.

00:15:47.000 And so we've got to, you know, keep fighting back as best we can.

00:15:51.000 Mitt Romney wins praise from Hillary Clinton on MSNBC.

00:15:57.000 That should tell you everything you need to know.

00:16:01.000 Mitt Romney, 11 years ago, was the nominee of the Republican Party.

00:16:06.000 He was supposed to be our fighter against Obama Marxism.

00:16:09.000 And 11 years later, he's resigning from the Senate, winning praise from Hillary Clinton.

00:16:14.000 I don't think he actually changed.

00:16:16.000 We just woke up.

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00:17:22.000 Joining us now is Congressman Jim Jordan, who's doing a great job in the House of Representatives.

00:17:29.000 Congressman, thank you so much for joining us.

00:17:31.000 You know, I have to ask, the Democrats are saying that there's no evidence of the Biden connection to his son's corruption.

00:17:39.000 So this is all just about love is what they say, Congressman Jordan.

00:17:42.000 Your reaction.

00:17:43.000 10% for the big guy.

00:17:45.000 Everyone has said that the big guys are referencing Joe Biden.

00:17:48.000 Devin Archer, business partner of Hunter Biden, said the brand was, in fact, Joe Biden.

00:17:52.000 There's the email, 50% for Pops.

00:17:55.000 There's the WhatsApp shakedown message.

00:17:56.000 There's the 5,000 emails using a fake name.

00:17:59.000 There's the multiple shell companies, multiple Biden family members getting paid multiple times.

00:18:02.000 The White House has changed their story.

00:18:04.000 But the most compelling evidence is what happened with Burisma.

00:18:07.000 Hunter Biden gets put on the board.

00:18:09.000 Hunter Biden is not fact number one.

00:18:10.000 Fact number two, he's not qualified to be on the board.

00:18:13.000 Fact number three, Burisma says we need help.

00:18:16.000 We're under pressure from the prosecutor.

00:18:18.000 Hunter Biden calls D.C. after he is told that.

00:18:22.000 Five days later, fact number four, Vice President Joe Biden goes to Ukraine and starts the process to fire the prosecutor.

00:18:30.000 And what does he do?

00:18:31.000 How does he do that?

00:18:32.000 What leverage does he have?

00:18:33.000 Our tax money.

00:18:35.000 He leverages American tax dollars to do just that.

00:18:37.000 And here's the big irony, Charlie.

00:18:39.000 That's exactly what they accused President Trump of when they impeached him in 2019.

00:18:42.000 It wasn't true about President Trump, but it sure looks like it was true of the Obama administration and the actions of Joe Biden.

00:18:50.000 So, and finally, I would point out this, that action he took was frankly contrary to the Obama administration's policy at the time.

00:18:57.000 It was abruptly changed at that time.

00:19:00.000 So you have all those facts, that specific fact, those four central facts with Burisma.

00:19:05.000 And then to top it all off, you have the way the Justice Department handled the investigation.

00:19:11.000 That to me is why we've moved into this phase of our oversight duty.

00:19:15.000 So walk us through what exactly is an impeachment inquiry and the timeline and the steps of how that might lead to a vote to impeach President Biden.

00:19:24.000 It's a new designation that gives added weight, particularly when you're dealing with the courts, because the power to investigate under an impeachment inquiry is different than the normal power we have to do oversight.

00:19:37.000 So the normal oversight authority rests in our legislative function.

00:19:42.000 We're a legislative body.

00:19:43.000 So we're doing oversight for a legislative intent.

00:19:46.000 But when you're doing an impeachment inquiry, you're investigating because of something specific in the Constitution that solely resides in the House of Representatives.

00:19:57.000 And so when you get into the inevitable conflict with the executive branch over documents and or individuals you may need to depose, courts have typically said, well, this is a specific function to the House, solely resides in the House regarding their impeachment power.

00:20:17.000 They're more likely to side with the House on getting those documents.

00:20:20.000 So we're at a point where there's going to be subpoenas and depositions that need to be done.

00:20:24.000 We've done a bunch.

00:20:25.000 There's 13 people, the Justice Department we want to talk to.

00:20:27.000 I just signed subpoenas for some of these individuals just this week.

00:20:31.000 But with Chairman Comer, Chairman Smith, and our committee, that's going to inevitably happen.

00:20:35.000 And so this puts you in a much stronger position with the courts because it's inherent to our constitutional duty.

00:20:42.000 So I understand that there was a private meeting with committee staff in the Republican caucus as a precursor to this impeachment inquiry.

00:20:49.000 Can you just give us some inside baseball, the temperature check?

00:20:52.000 Where do some of the more moderate members fall on this as far as their willingness to proceed?

00:20:58.000 So walk us through, just if you can, just where your colleagues are, what they're thinking, what they're saying in regards to advancing this.

00:21:05.000 Yeah.

00:21:06.000 Well, I'm always reluctant to get into private meetings amongst members and colleagues, but I will say this.

00:21:13.000 I think everyone understands that there's all kinds of evidence that warrants us moving to this stage, this impeachment inquiry stage of our investigation.

00:21:23.000 And what we try to do in these meetings is just get people familiar, get our colleagues familiar with the facts because we've been working on this now for several months looking into concerns we have and just highlighting those facts and then taking questions and comments they have.

00:21:39.000 I think our members understand this is part of our constitutional duty.

00:21:45.000 We're focused on the facts.

00:21:46.000 We're focused on the evidence.

00:21:48.000 And we're going to do our job.

00:21:49.000 And I sense that.

00:21:51.000 But frankly, that shouldn't be limited to Republicans.

00:21:54.000 This should be a concern of the Congress and specifically the House of Representatives, again, because that's where under our constitutional system this authority lies.

00:22:03.000 So I would think the entire House is interested in the facts as we now see them, the things we have learned, and following the facts and the evidence to do our constitutional duty.

00:22:15.000 So can you speak to a second how this is going to work with the strategy coming up on 930, the funding deadline, specifically Jack Smith funding, blank checks to Ukraine, the border, and some spending cuts.

00:22:28.000 How does this announcement of the impeachment inquiry impact that at all?

00:22:31.000 Does it make it easier to try to get some of those cuts or some of those concessions?

00:22:36.000 Walk us through some of that, Congressman.

00:22:37.000 Yeah, we've got a number of what's typically called policy writers, to use the jargon here on Capitol Hill, policy writers that would limit how funds can be spent in the Department of Justice that we've got to the committee that we think we're going to be in the bill that funds the Justice Department.

00:22:55.000 We also know that that bill has a reduction in the amount of money of your tax dollars and your listeners' tax dollars, American people's tax dollars, that go to the Justice Department.

00:23:03.000 We certainly don't want them building a new headquarters at the FBI using our tax money to do that.

00:23:07.000 So those are the kind of things that we think make sense.

00:23:11.000 And then how this plays out over the next few weeks, we'll see.

00:23:15.000 I do anticipate that we're going to need a short-term funding bill, but I would say on that funding bill, we got to attach something that is, I think, particularly relevant to the situation we see in the country today.

00:23:25.000 And I would say maybe front and center on that is this immigration issue.

00:23:31.000 I mean, you had Mayor Adams say last week that you make comments last week that a sanctuary city mayor saying this is what it's doing to our city.

00:23:39.000 So I think if any funding bill for any length of time should say we're going to focus on getting control of the southern border.

00:23:47.000 And specifically, I would say no new migrants should be released into the country, for goodness sake, in light of particularly what we know has happened, what we've seen over the last three years in the Biden administration.

00:23:57.000 And of course, in light of what Mayor Adams said last week, I think that even Democrats now understand how serious this problem is.

00:24:03.000 So that's an issue.

00:24:04.000 There's also the issue of the weaponization of government.

00:24:07.000 And you mentioned specifically the special counselor who's been attacking President Trump.

00:24:11.000 I think that's something that we can consider as well.

00:24:13.000 But yeah, on any funding bill, I think there should be one good policy area that we can win on and take the case of the American people and tell Chuck Schumer, really, you're contemplating not funding the government because you don't want to stop this influx of individuals on our southern border, as an example, that even the mayor of your hometown talked about just last week how serious this situation is.

00:24:36.000 So Congressman Chad Pergram is announcing that there is kind of a little bit of a puffing of the trust going on between Speaker McCarthy and Matt Gates, where now basically Speaker McCarthy is daring Matt Gates to do the motion to vacate, basically calling the bluff.

00:24:52.000 In a series of tweets, Chad Pergram tweeted out some inside baseball saying that Kevin McCarthy is daring House Conservatives saying, bring it on.

00:24:58.000 So is there a deal that could be struck to avoid this?

00:25:01.000 Does the impeachment curry help with that?

00:25:03.000 I mean, how can you speak?

00:25:06.000 What can you fill in here for our audience in regards to this?

00:25:09.000 I hope we can come together as a conference and fund the government for some length of time while we continue to work on the appropriation bills where we can hopefully get the kind of policy writers I talked about specifically.

00:25:21.000 The example we used was on the Justice Department's funding legislation to limit how they can use American tax dollars in a way that protects our liberties and freedoms.

00:25:30.000 So I hope that's the result of this.

00:25:33.000 And I would recommend some kind of CR that does just what I talked about on the border and say, we're going to fund the government, Chuck Schumer, but we want this policy, which the entire country knows is the right policy to secure our border and stop this influx of illegal migrants coming into the country that even your Democrat mayor in New York City talked about. 0.93

00:25:56.000 That's the kind of thing I think makes sense.

00:25:58.000 And the American people say, yeah, that's the kind of thing we should be doing.

00:26:01.000 And then when you fund it for a short period of time, then get right back to work on these bills that we're supposed to do that fund the government agency by agency.

00:26:10.000 So Congressman Jordan, in kind of closing here, this is going to be a very, very eventful couple of weeks coming up.

00:26:18.000 And I get the impression that Joe Biden and the White House, they're positioning almost for a government shutdown.

00:26:26.000 In fact, there have been some leaks and some memos trying to already blame the Republicans if a government is shut down.

00:26:32.000 At least from where our perspective is, I think there needs to be some bright lines.

00:26:36.000 And Jack Smith, I think we got to go all in on the defunding of Jack Smith because he has been so completely out of control, unconstitutional, and sets a terrible precedent.

00:26:45.000 So I'm sure this is still being worked out, but the border is great.

00:26:50.000 We love that.

00:26:52.000 Any thoughts on just kind of some bright red lines as we enter into this?

00:26:55.000 Because Joe Biden, yeah, please.

00:27:00.000 No, I think those are the two.

00:27:02.000 Because, I mean, think of the contrast.

00:27:05.000 You've got David Weiss named as the special counsel to look into the Biden business operation.

00:27:11.000 David Weiss, the guy who presided over the investigation for four and a half years, the guy who allowed the defense counsel to be tipped off when a search warrant was coming, the guy who put together the plea deal that the court declined to accept because it was so ridiculous.

00:27:26.000 That's the guy who gets named special counsel.

00:27:28.000 What?

00:27:29.000 So contrast that with Jack Smith, who's indicted former President Trump in not one, but two locations.

00:27:36.000 I mean, truly unbelievable.

00:27:38.000 So I think that issue is front and center.

00:27:40.000 And of course, the immigration, border security issue is front and center, as is evident by what, again, what Mayor Adams has set up in New York, the situation there.

00:27:51.000 So those are the kind of issues that you put on a bill that funds the government and you tell Chuck Schumer, really?

00:27:58.000 You think it's appropriate for the Biden administration to, you're going to shut down the government because you think the Biden administration needs to be able to fund the prosecution of their opponent for the presidential election in the presidential election.

00:28:13.000 And you think it's appropriate for Chuck Schumer to shut down the government because he won't accept limiting additional migrants coming into the country?

00:28:23.000 Go tell that to the people in New York, Senator Schumer.

00:28:23.000 Really?

00:28:27.000 Those are the kind of things I think that you have to look at to put on that bill that funds the government.

00:28:31.000 And that's exactly what we're attempting to do.

00:28:33.000 Congressman Jim Jordan, thank you so much for your time.

00:28:35.000 Thank you.

00:28:36.000 We appreciate it.

00:28:37.000 Thanks for all you do.

00:28:37.000 You bet, Charlie.

00:28:40.000 So we need to defund Jack Smith.

00:28:43.000 It's 100% most important thing.

00:28:46.000 Will Chuck Schumer go for that?

00:28:47.000 Probably not.

00:28:47.000 Will Joe Biden go for that?

00:28:48.000 Probably not.

00:28:49.000 So that will shut down the government.

00:28:51.000 So you have to ask, is there a possible way to defund Jack Smith?

00:28:56.000 Maybe.

00:28:58.000 What if there was an attempt to say that we will defund any current investigations into people running for president or their families until after the presidential election?

00:29:10.000 That would include Joe or Hunter Biden.

00:29:12.000 Now, is that an actual investigation of Hunter Biden?

00:29:14.000 It's kind of a joke, honestly, the way it is right now.

00:29:18.000 And this would defang Jack Smith and actually allow an election to occur.

00:29:22.000 Now, the counterargument, you probably say, is Charlie, why would you defund the one opportunity we have to actually hold the Democrats accountable?

00:29:29.000 Well, do you actually think that Hunter Biden is getting the full pressure, the full court press of the Department of Justice right now?

00:29:35.000 Democrats would potentially go for it because they'd say, well, this would get them off our back, get them off Hunter's back, and we don't have the Senate.

00:29:46.000 So this could potentially be a possible deal of the no political investigations until after the 2024 election. 0.94

00:29:54.000 We already know Hunter Biden is a crook.

00:29:55.000 We could still proceed with impeachment. 0.97

00:29:58.000 It would just be a little bit of a delay.

00:30:00.000 Now, I know you're going to be emailing me, Charlie, come on, you've got to be kidding me.

00:30:03.000 This is weak and all that. 0.99

00:30:04.000 Well, look, we don't control the Senate.

00:30:06.000 We don't control the White House.

00:30:06.000 So you just can't defund Jack Smith and then just move on.

00:30:09.000 Plus, if you shut down the government, Jack Smith's money still continues, just so we're clear.

00:30:14.000 So you'd have to carve out Jack Smith in particular.

00:30:18.000 So what if you call the Democrats bluff?

00:30:21.000 And you say, look, because if you read a lot of the anger that is happening right now, we are resisting this Jack Smith push based on principle.

00:30:31.000 We say that an unelected Department of Justice should not be able to interfere with our elections.

00:30:36.000 I totally agree.

00:30:38.000 Are Republicans going to play hardball on this?

00:30:41.000 I'll be honest.

00:30:41.000 Probably not.

00:30:42.000 It's not a great deal, but it would be a much better deal than nothing.

00:30:49.000 Saying, okay, we will temporarily deprive all the funding of investigations into Hunter Biden, and we'll temporarily deprive all the funding into all investigations into Trump and his family and people associated.

00:31:03.000 Not saying that they will never be renewed.

00:31:06.000 It's just we're going to allow an election to occur.

00:31:10.000 And let's be honest, do you actually think Hunter Biden is getting thoroughly investigated right now?

00:31:14.000 Do you actually, we know with all the white stuff and the corruption and the whistleblower and the interference, it's actually more for Congress's role than some technical thing of Hunter Biden didn't fill out a piece of paper for a gun registration issue. 0.80

00:31:29.000 That's weak.

00:31:32.000 Politics at times is the art of the possible.

00:31:36.000 I'm not even sure that it would work, but we have to figure out some way to get Jack Smith to back off.

00:31:43.000 Some way.

00:31:44.000 The second thing is House Republicans should subpoena Fannie Willis immediately. 0.98

00:31:51.000 They should have her testify.

00:31:55.000 Jennifer has emailed us, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:31:58.000 I think this is a great idea, Charlie.

00:31:59.000 Well, thank you.

00:32:00.000 I'm not even saying it's a great idea.

00:32:02.000 I think it's a realistic idea to defund Jack Smith while we don't control the Senate and the presidency.

00:32:07.000 And isn't the whole argument that I keep on hearing is we do not want to see the DOJ politicized and weaponized?

00:32:14.000 Okay.

00:32:16.000 We'll then say that if you're 13 months out from a presidential election, then make that the case.

00:32:26.000 Another email says, Charlie, originally I think your idea is awful, but the Bidens are treated with kid gloves.

00:32:32.000 So this actually might be an okay idea.

00:32:35.000 Peter says, Charlie, trade Jack Smith for Hunter Biden until after the election.

00:32:38.000 All caps, yes.

00:32:41.000 Because look, Hunter Biden's probably going to get probation anyway.

00:32:43.000 This is not exactly some like massive investigation.

00:32:48.000 Larry says, brilliant idea, Charlie.

00:32:49.000 The election of Trump will guarantee a much better and more complete investigation of the Biden crime family in 2024.

00:32:54.000 Bingo.

00:32:54.000 That's right.

00:32:55.000 Again, politics is the art of the possible.

00:32:58.000 And you have an active investigation of Hunter Biden.

00:33:00.000 You got Donald Trump facing 500 years in federal prison.

00:33:03.000 We think Jack Smith is the number one threat to our society and our civilization.

00:33:09.000 Someone says here, Charlie, nothing's going to happen to Biden anyway.

00:33:11.000 Take the deal.

00:33:12.000 And isn't the whole goal winning in 2024 of November?

00:33:17.000 If Jack Smith is in the way, put Jack Smith on ice, and then that means you might have to also put Hunter Biden on ice, which he already is on ice effectively.

00:33:24.000 Think about it.

00:33:25.000 And then I want to hear from you, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:33:30.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:33:32.000 Email us your thoughts.

00:33:32.000 As always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:33:35.000 Thank you so much for listening, and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - September 14, 2023

How to Defund Jack Smith with Rep. Jim Jordan

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