The Charlie Kirk Show - How to Kick Woke-ism Out of American Christianity — LIVE from Freedom Night

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00:00:00.000 Happy Sunday conversation with Lucas Miles about wokeism and was Jesus woke, author of Woke Jesus.

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00:02:42.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:04:13.000 So a couple things I want to emphasize, and then we're going to get our great guest, Lucas Miles, up here tonight.

00:04:18.000 I visit college campuses, so you don't have to, as many of you know.

00:04:22.000 And a couple years ago, we said, we started to describe to our friends what was happening on these campuses.

00:04:31.000 And to be honest with you, not everyone would believe us.

00:04:35.000 I said, you know, there's some tough stuff happening on these campuses.

00:04:40.000 And they said, ah, how bad could it possibly be?

00:04:42.000 I said, there's some stuff happening.

00:04:44.000 And I mean, what we have seen, by the way, in the last couple weeks, the outright Jew hatred on these campuses is repulsive.

00:04:52.000 And every one of these people should be deported back to their country of origin for what we have been seeing happening on American campuses.

00:04:58.000 It's so unbelievable.

00:05:00.000 And I want to just give you a little bit of a taste because tomorrow I'm going to UCLA.

00:05:05.000 So if there's something to pray for, pray for that.

00:05:08.000 And yeah, right-wing university, UCLA.

00:05:13.000 So I do this thing where I'll set up a card table and I'll talk to students for a couple hours.

00:05:17.000 And the videos, you know, tend to be seen by hundreds of millions of people over periods of time.

00:05:23.000 And so I'm planning to do that tomorrow.

00:05:26.000 And so then somebody texts me.

00:05:28.000 They said, Charlie, you realize the entire campus is doing a walkout for Hamas tomorrow at the same time you'll be on campus. 0.83

00:05:34.000 So that'll be mostly peaceful and really great.

00:05:38.000 So no, it's going to be fun.

00:05:39.000 So I want to just show you this because it's a perfect window into why we're gathering.

00:05:45.000 And some people will say, and we have people of all faiths that donate to Turning Point USA, and that's fine.

00:05:52.000 Some of those people will challenge me.

00:05:54.000 They said, Charlie, I don't think that a belief in God is necessary for a free society.

00:05:59.000 I always go back to a G.K. Chesterkin quote where he says, If you stop believing in God, you don't believe in nothing, you'll believe in anything.

00:06:08.000 And I want to show you living evidence of this.

00:06:12.000 And this is a taxpayer-funded university here at Northern Arizona University.

00:06:16.000 You might have seen when I visited, you know, a huge mob of people tried to prevent me from coming on campus, the whole thing.

00:06:22.000 But no, this particular clip has been seen over 100 million times for a very good reason.

00:06:28.000 And I am dialoguing or attempting to dialogue with three young ladies.

00:06:34.000 And I ask a question that should not be a question.

00:06:37.000 Now, we blur out the swear words.

00:06:38.000 It's a little bit of a salty conversation on their part, not on my part.

00:06:42.000 So, you know, I apologize on their behalf in advance.

00:06:46.000 But it's unbelievably important.

00:06:47.000 For any pastor or any Christian out there that says that the culture war doesn't matter, I think this clip demonstrates the whole ballgame.

00:06:56.000 And I don't want to ruin it for you, but enjoy this.

00:06:59.000 I have two to play.

00:07:00.000 Play the minute one, and then we'll get to the shorter one.

00:07:03.000 And just watch very carefully and closely. 1.00

00:07:06.000 What is a woman? 1.00

00:07:08.000 That's a stupid question. 1.00

00:07:10.000 That's a dumb question. 1.00

00:07:11.000 What is a woman? 1.00

00:07:12.000 It's not a trick question. 1.00

00:07:14.000 What is a woman? 0.98

00:07:17.000 You can't answer the question with the question. 1.00

00:07:21.000 Yeah, define the woman without saying woman.

00:07:23.000 It's a social science.

00:07:26.000 Social.

00:07:28.000 You're in college paying for an education. 1.00

00:07:31.000 What is a woman? 1.00

00:07:32.000 How about you talk to someone with media training? 1.00

00:07:35.000 You don't need media training.

00:07:36.000 It's not a trick. 1.00

00:07:37.000 What is a woman? 0.99

00:07:41.000 You can't answer the question with a media. 0.55

00:07:44.000 It's the college kids of America going hundreds of thousands of dollars into debt who think it's a trick question when you ask them what a woman is.

00:07:53.000 And that's That's an NAU, right, right, right up the street in flagstaff.

00:07:59.000 And it's hilarious, also horrifying.

00:08:03.000 And that's exactly what you get with secularism.

00:08:07.000 We have an entire culture that warns about the extremes of the religious right.

00:08:15.000 Have we done a good enough job of warning about the extremes of secularism?

00:08:20.000 That's what you get. 1.00

00:08:22.000 You get young ladies that are walking around, and just so you understand how stupid their answer is, it's saying, hey, what is a tree? 1.00

00:08:27.000 Well, something that looks like a tree. 0.99

00:08:28.000 Yet you can't answer the question with the question, right?

00:08:32.000 You have to come up with a, you have to define something.

00:08:34.000 Imagine if you opened up your dictionary, right?

00:08:36.000 And you said a dog is something that is a dog.

00:08:38.000 It's circular reasoning.

00:08:39.000 You can't do that.

00:08:40.000 Because they can't say the truth, which is that a woman is an adult female with XX chromosomes. 0.96

00:08:46.000 They can't say that because they don't believe it.

00:08:49.000 Because they don't believe in any form of objective truth.

00:08:52.000 When your entire society starts to disintegrate and you no longer acknowledge objective truth, you get that.

00:08:58.000 And it says it very clearly in the scriptures.

00:09:00.000 I will do whatever is right in my own eyes.

00:09:04.000 And that is what you're living through.

00:09:05.000 So understand that our fight is 100% a spiritual fight.

00:09:10.000 And you see that on display.

00:09:12.000 But that right there is a failure of the church.

00:09:16.000 We lived in a majority Christian country, no longer, for years.

00:09:20.000 And we were told, don't engage in the cultural issues, don't engage in the political issues.

00:09:24.000 And our nation's young people militantly will say, I can't tell you what even a woman is. 0.99

00:09:29.000 Now, what a great opportunity for them.

00:09:31.000 They could say, hello, I'm a woman. 1.00

00:09:33.000 Like a great opportunity, like to, you know, own feminism. 1.00

00:09:39.000 No, because if you ever acknowledge that there's some absolute truth, that means that they might have to live by that absolute truth.

00:09:47.000 And at the root of a lot of this is a generation that believes that they are the center of the universe, the most important thing ever to exist in the history of the world.

00:09:56.000 Now, that is legitimately narcissism.

00:09:58.000 I could show you tape after tape after tape that show that.

00:10:01.000 But understand the implications of this.

00:10:03.000 You remove God, they will believe anything.

00:10:07.000 And that is the perfect blueprint for totalitarianism, for socialism, and a tyrannical type country.

00:10:15.000 And we're living through that, by the way.

00:10:18.000 So how do you fight it?

00:10:19.000 Well, the church is supposed to be the counselor to the king.

00:10:22.000 The church is supposed to correct error with truth, unapologetically, because they're not going to get it from their professors.

00:10:29.000 And I'll be very honest with you.

00:10:31.000 If you go through, if you come with me on these campuses, you'll realize how broken and how shallow and empty that worldview is.

00:10:40.000 It's a generation that is suffering.

00:10:43.000 They're suffering because they've actually never been told the truth.

00:10:46.000 And most Christians will tell them, well, we just do the gospel.

00:10:49.000 You know, we just do one part of the scriptures.

00:10:52.000 But if you don't do the totality of the Bible, God's entire promise and entire plan, then what are you actually going to say to a young person at Northern Arizona University that says, well, I believe a woman is something that identifies as a woman.

00:11:08.000 I don't have to emphasize this, and I'm not here to depress you.

00:11:10.000 I think you know it.

00:11:11.000 You're all very smart.

00:11:12.000 That's civilizational ending stuff.

00:11:15.000 Right?

00:11:15.000 If you can't even have basic answers to the most fundamental biological facts, hilariously, if I would have a bunch of seven-year-olds, they'd be able to answer it better than your college kids.

00:11:28.000 That's the hilarious thing.

00:11:31.000 But it's the church.

00:11:33.000 We must first look at ourselves as the reason why this is happening. 0.95

00:11:38.000 The cancer of transgenderism, which is from the pit of hell, spreads as a virus throughout our nation and our land, largely because pastors and Christians have been afraid to correct error with truth or contest in the public arena. 1.00

00:11:54.000 I'm starting to see that change. 0.82

00:11:56.000 And you know what's so amazing is that most of the kids that tend to attend our events, by the way, tomorrow at UCLA, we can't find a room big enough to fit all the students that want to attend our speech at UCLA tomorrow.

00:12:08.000 They're not necessarily all religious, but they're searching for truth.

00:12:13.000 And what an amazing opportunity for revival and for an awakening.

00:12:17.000 And that's a great segue.

00:12:19.000 And I have another video on a play you that just is more fun than anything else.

00:12:22.000 It's a great segue to Lucas Miles.

00:12:24.000 He wrote a book called Woke Jesus, which is just a perfect title. 1.00

00:12:27.000 It's this great.

00:12:29.000 And how many of you have heard it's nothing more than a clump of cells, right?

00:12:33.000 It's a clump of cells.

00:12:35.000 Now, I'm very, very pro-life.

00:12:38.000 And, you know, the pro-life movement had a bad night last night.

00:12:41.000 There's no two ways about it.

00:12:42.000 We lost a significant donor today.

00:12:44.000 He called up.

00:12:45.000 He said, I'm sick of you being pro-life.

00:12:47.000 I'm not going to give money.

00:12:48.000 I said, fine.

00:12:48.000 I hope I see you in heaven.

00:12:50.000 Right, great.

00:12:51.000 I'm not going to waver on my pro-life beliefs for bullying and pressure, and you guys shouldn't.

00:12:58.000 And there's a lot of that.

00:12:59.000 People want to retreat from the truth and all that.

00:13:00.000 But understand, one of the reasons why we lose on the abortion issue is because we haven't fought hard enough.

00:13:07.000 We're afraid.

00:13:08.000 And if I could be even more honest with you, some of you in this room might even be like, well, I say I'm pro-life, but I know my daughter's having a lot of premarital sex.

00:13:17.000 And if she gets pregnant, I would take her to an abortion clinic. 1.00

00:13:19.000 You know, half of Christians believe that privately?

00:13:21.000 It's true.

00:13:22.000 So we got to look at ourselves in the mirror first.

00:13:24.000 But this is just a fun clip because I can't resist when they say that it's nothing more than a clump of cells.

00:13:30.000 Enjoy this clip. 1.00

00:13:32.000 You want to have as much sex as possible, but then I say if I get pregnant, I can kill the baby. 1.00

00:13:38.000 That's really dark. 1.00

00:13:40.000 It's not killing the baby.

00:13:41.000 Killing what? 0.97

00:13:43.000 You're a clump of cells. 1.00

00:13:45.000 I'm a clump of cells.

00:13:47.000 We're all clumps of cells.

00:13:58.000 Trust the science, everybody.

00:14:01.000 Lucas Miles is a pastor.

00:14:03.000 He's a prolific author.

00:14:05.000 He's amazing.

00:14:06.000 And he is dedicating his writings and his speaking about trying to kick wokeism out of American Christianity, which I believe is one of the most important things we can do. 0.81

00:14:17.000 Join me in welcoming tonight's guest and the last Freedom Night of 2023, Lucas Miles, everybody.

00:14:36.000 So Lucas, welcome to Phoenix.

00:14:38.000 Hey, thank you.

00:14:39.000 It's good to be here.

00:14:40.000 Got in on Monday and I've been enjoying myself.

00:14:42.000 So we do a pastor summit at TPUSA Faith, and there'll be a nice fun announcement hopefully soon in regards to that in the next year.

00:14:50.000 And I heard Lucas speak at our pastor summit, and I was like, that guy makes a lot of sense.

00:14:53.000 So we met for like an hour afterwards.

00:14:55.000 And I love your book, Woke Jesus, which, by the way, you're selling out in the lobby.

00:14:59.000 And also, before I forget, I also need to mention this, Turning Point Academy has a booth out in the lobby as well.

00:15:05.000 So please go say hello.

00:15:06.000 Awesome.

00:15:06.000 I didn't forget.

00:15:07.000 So make sure you guys come say hello.

00:15:09.000 Francine and the team are doing a wonderful job out there.

00:15:12.000 But Lucas, talk about your book, Woke Jesus.

00:15:14.000 Why did you write it?

00:15:16.000 And we'll start from there.

00:15:17.000 There was an early church father named Irenaeus, and he was in the second century.

00:15:21.000 And what he saw was during the first century that the church had a problem with Gnosticism that it didn't fully eradicate.

00:15:28.000 And so Gnosticism went on, which was one of the first heresies to face the church.

00:15:32.000 It went on for several, you know, really centuries before it was kind of stopped for a time.

00:15:37.000 And now we're seeing a new form of it today in wokeism.

00:15:39.000 But Irenaeus wrote in the second century, and essentially I'll paraphrase the introduction to his book.

00:15:46.000 He said that the reason why the first century church was not able to fully, you know, really put the nail in the coffin of Gnosticism is because they didn't understand it.

00:15:55.000 And so then he wrote a 600-page book called Against Heresies to help them understand Gnosticism.

00:16:00.000 This is sort of my attempt to do the same thing.

00:16:03.000 The church has not been ready for gay marriage, for transgenderism.

00:16:07.000 We've not been ready for critical race theory.

00:16:09.000 We've not understood communism well enough, Marxism well enough.

00:16:12.000 We've not understood, I think, a lot of the critical climate theory and all the things that are being taught today in our schools.

00:16:20.000 We weren't ready for that.

00:16:21.000 We didn't have and still don't have enough knowledge about those things.

00:16:25.000 And then we wonder why the left is sort of taking our lunch and popping the bag.

00:16:29.000 And I think that there needed to be a definitive guide for that.

00:16:32.000 So this was really my attempt at educating the church.

00:16:37.000 It's a robust book.

00:16:38.000 It's a heavy book in a lot of ways.

00:16:40.000 But I think it's a necessary thing that we get sharp on these things so that we can recognize, we shouldn't be able to, there shouldn't be any question on being able to identify a woke pastor.

00:16:50.000 We should be able to walk into church and in a service or two be able to go, nope, that's not a place I want to take my family.

00:16:56.000 But most Christians aren't there, and so I wrote this really to help prepare them.

00:17:00.000 So let's kind of define our terms then.

00:17:04.000 Woke Jesus.

00:17:06.000 What do you mean?

00:17:07.000 What is an agreeable definition that we all can internalize for the word woke?

00:17:14.000 So I think that wokeism is essentially just a masking of cultural Marxism.

00:17:21.000 I mean, that's really at the heart of this.

00:17:24.000 Now, when we talk about Marxism, we oftentimes talk about kind of the wider spectrum is what we refer to as critical theory.

00:17:32.000 And so you look back to Hegel and Marx and other early thinkers in this that certainly played a role to get us here.

00:17:39.000 But I think that what we tend to look at, I would say, let's identify some of the symptoms.

00:17:45.000 Woke Christianity tends to have a diminished view of scripture.

00:17:52.000 It's a historical book.

00:17:53.000 Maybe it's mythohistory a lot of times in certain passages.

00:17:57.000 You can kind of pick and choose which verses you want to follow, which ones you don't.

00:18:01.000 They don't tend to really identify with a lot of historical Christian beliefs that the early church held to.

00:18:07.000 It becomes a real choose-your-own-adventure story in the faith.

00:18:10.000 They tend to be pro-choice.

00:18:12.000 They tend to be pro-gay marriage.

00:18:14.000 And now what we're seeing is even pro-trans.

00:18:16.000 There was a TikToker that, and I wish I had this video queued for us because it's so good.

00:18:20.000 Is this this TikToker influencer with just a bazillion followers gets out and goes, you know, Jesus was really pro-trans because he called John his beloved, and so he was probably gay. 0.94

00:18:32.000 And then also he wore a tunic, and that's a lot like a dress.

00:18:36.000 So therefore, Jesus might even have been trans himself.

00:18:39.000 And you have a generation of people that are so biblically illiterate, they hear this and they go, oh, that's fascinating. 0.98

00:18:46.000 And to any, you know, good, you know, well-informed Christian that's read the Bible even like once, they're able to go, this is ridiculous. 0.98

00:18:54.000 But yet so many people are being led astray by this sort of rhetoric.

00:18:59.000 So the idea of the woke, it's a term used a lot.

00:19:04.000 There's a couple, I think, really easy definitions, which is call anything that you want to take over unjust until you control it, right?

00:19:13.000 So, for example, critical race theory, call something racist until you're in control, call something transphobic until it's a means to control.

00:19:21.000 But also, the best definition of woke is against any sort of natural law.

00:19:26.000 Men can give birth. 0.84

00:19:27.000 Yes.

00:19:28.000 It is against, it is so against what we understand to be true that it requires a college degree to even entertain it.

00:19:37.000 And you guys laugh, but what's funny is that if you go down the income ladder, the poorer you are in America, the less likely you are to believe in the ideas the woke are pushing.

00:19:55.000 And hilariously, one of the unintended consequences of the unadulterated invasion on our southern border, which is unbelievably awful, is that Hispanics don't want this. 0.97

00:20:06.000 Blacks don't want this. 0.99

00:20:08.000 Is that they don't believe that men can give birth. 0.99

00:20:11.000 They don't think that men and women are basically the same.

00:20:14.000 They don't believe it's okay for a 12-year-old to chop off their genitals and do that under the guise of gender-affirming care.

00:20:20.000 Instead, that's a uniquely white, upper-middle-class, college-educated phenomenon done at Boston's Children's Hospital or the Denver Children's Hospital, which are two of the most educated states in the country.

00:20:32.000 It requires a college degree to be indoctrinated and to believe some of this stuff.

00:20:36.000 So talk about where this manifests in Christianity.

00:20:38.000 Yeah, so I mean, as you said, these things are intentionally confusing.

00:20:42.000 So if we, you know, in the book, I go through kind of this full history of really progressive thought in the church, when the church started grabbing hold of a lot of really extra-biblical ideas.

00:20:52.000 We could go back to the 17, 18, 1900s for this.

00:20:55.000 But I think in more recent, you know, like in the last hundred years, you saw the birth of what is called liberation theology.

00:21:03.000 So in the Catholic Church, there was a priest named Gutierrez who lived in Latin America.

00:21:09.000 And in the 1950s and 60s, he really created this morphing of this amalgamation of Marxism and Catholicism, and it became known as liberation theology.

00:21:20.000 The current pope is a liberation theologian.

00:21:23.000 Why does that matter?

00:21:24.000 Well, we're now injecting Marxism into the faith, and it creates this oppressor versus oppress framework.

00:21:32.000 In this case of liberation theology, it is rich versus poor.

00:21:37.000 And a radical liberation theologian actually believes that God has a special blessing on the poor, and that we are actually doing them a disservice to bring them up out of poverty because we are stealing the blessing on them.

00:21:52.000 So a lot of times it's we will, you know, kind of love them and serve them just enough to kind of meet these basic needs, but we won't actually teach them, equip them about how to prosper, how to grow, how to get out of their situation, how to overcome the obstacles in life.

00:22:06.000 And so there's actually a theological substructure that's shaping a lot of this.

00:22:11.000 Now, I don't think that a lot of people on the left today are walking around going, I'm a liberation theologian, that they're consciously aware of this.

00:22:18.000 But they've adopted these dogmas, and we're seeing that how the left and how Democrats tend to treat urban populations and marginalized communities is they want to keep them just there to where they need them so they can get their vote, but not actually where they can help them overcome.

00:22:36.000 That is actually a theological substructure that's there.

00:22:40.000 But some Christians will fall prey to a pastor, a musician, or a Christian influencer that will say, Lucas, Jesus is all about love, and we must love everybody.

00:22:55.000 And so I don't like the anger that I hear in Christian circles.

00:23:00.000 I don't like the intensity.

00:23:04.000 Why can't we just love trans people?

00:23:07.000 And why can't we just have open borders?

00:23:09.000 By the way, this is not a small portion.

00:23:12.000 Most young Christians believe this one.

00:23:13.000 Yeah.

00:23:14.000 Just so we're clear, okay?

00:23:17.000 It's funny.

00:23:17.000 I have far more young secular fans than young Christian fans.

00:23:21.000 Because the secular kids don't mind the truth.

00:23:23.000 The young Christians get very offended by the truth. 0.98

00:23:26.000 By the way, does that resonate with you?

00:23:27.000 100%.

00:23:28.000 100%.

00:23:29.000 Some people say, what do you mean? 0.99

00:23:30.000 Young Christians are generally so weak and so soft. 1.00

00:23:33.000 Not all of them. 0.98

00:23:33.000 We have some amazing ones. 0.98

00:23:34.000 But generally, if you take your average run-of-the-mill young Christian, they don't like the kind of warfare Christianity we talk about. 0.61

00:23:42.000 But Lucas, help unpack this.

00:23:44.000 You get the tone, right?

00:23:45.000 Well, it's because you're triggering, Charlie.

00:23:47.000 That's really the issue there.

00:23:49.000 So, look, here, you know, people say these arguments all the time.

00:23:53.000 I mean, even if we go back to 2020 up to today, you had people quoting scripture and quoting Jesus that have never talked about Jesus before ever, but are using the name of Jesus as propaganda to push everything from, you know, COVID mandates to, you know, one of my favorites was when we were watching Antifa and BLM kind of burn down cities across America, is there were people that were going, well, Jesus, you know, turned over the tables in the temple.

00:24:23.000 And so sometimes we have to allow people to express their anger that that's a biblical thing. 0.67

00:24:27.000 And, you know, I mean, the idiocy about that is it's really mind-blowing when you hear it, but this is driving it. 0.89

00:24:34.000 So there are people that would say that, you know, well, Jesus was a refugee for a while in Egypt, so therefore we should be pro-open borders. 0.98

00:24:41.000 You know, Jesus was, you know, Jesus was a Palestinian.

00:24:45.000 Of course, we hear that.

00:24:46.000 We hear things like, you know, Jesus would be pro-socialism if he were here today, despite the fact that every one of his parables, you know, teaches personal responsibility, personal stewardship.

00:24:57.000 But people don't know this.

00:24:59.000 And so, you know, my hope and really my mission, I was telling Charlie beforehand, I've done, I think, about 500 media appearances this year, and I still feel like we're just scratching the surface of the church.

00:25:10.000 There's so much work that needs done, which, you know, by the way, like, and I'm not saying this just to, you know, applaud you here in front of everybody, but the work that Turning Point is doing, the work that you're doing, the work that you've been able to gather pastors across denominations that Christians have not been able to do and like Christian networks have not been able to do for 50 years.

00:25:32.000 And I've been able to see that firsthand.

00:25:34.000 And what we are seeing today, and what I believe has to happen, that I think you are doing such a great job orchestrating right now with Turning Point Faith, is that we have to let go of the debate over some of these secondary issues and that biblically-minded Christians have to unite around primary doctrines, circle the wagon, and tell wokeism you have no place here and see it eradicated from the pulpit.

00:26:00.000 Thank you for those words.

00:26:01.000 We have, by the way, just so you know the impact of freedom at everybody, what started here in May of 2021.

00:26:07.000 Can you believe it's going to be three years in May that we've been doing this?

00:26:10.000 Isn't that amazing?

00:26:11.000 It's been seen by.

00:26:13.000 You guys, that's amazing.

00:26:15.000 I think some of you have attended every single one, by the way.

00:26:18.000 I haven't even attended every single one.

00:26:21.000 This has been, I kid you not, seen by tens of millions of people through podcasting, online, video.

00:26:27.000 We now have 2,000 pastors and churches part of our network at TPUSA Faith as part of the ripple effect of what we do.

00:26:36.000 And one of, just to give you some encouragement, one of the things that pastors notice, they say, what do you mean you do a monthly event where you just speak the truth?

00:26:44.000 Yeah, we do a monthly event and we pack it up.

00:26:46.000 And it blows their mind.

00:26:48.000 It raises the bar nationally for pastors in the valley here.

00:26:53.000 And just so you know, there are some awesome churches in the valley here that are starting to speak out more because of what's happening here.

00:27:00.000 By the way, that is awesome.

00:27:02.000 They're starting to speak out.

00:27:04.000 They're starting to invite us more to their churches.

00:27:06.000 So, Lucas, I want to ask you a question on what you mentioned in a second.

00:27:10.000 But just so everyone's clear, Jesus was not a refugee, okay?

00:27:13.000 He went within the Roman Empire to the Roman Empire.

00:27:17.000 Okay, Egypt is part of the Roman Empire, right?

00:27:19.000 Correct.

00:27:19.000 100%.

00:27:20.000 We want to make sure we're very technically correct here.

00:27:22.000 It drives me nuts when people say that.

00:27:24.000 Just for clarifying that, I appreciate it.

00:27:25.000 When I saw that advertisement of he's gets us or whatever, and they said Jesus was a refugee too, it's like why we need to have open borders and all this. 0.80

00:27:34.000 I cringed.

00:27:35.000 It's biblically illiterate and it's using left-wing talking points and appropriating them. 0.75

00:27:39.000 By the way, one of my favorite memes ever is a picture of kind of like a purple-haired leftist that's screaming, right, and says, you know, Jesus wanted open borders, but I don't believe in Jesus.

00:27:49.000 But if I use Jesus, you might give me what I really want, which is open borders.

00:27:53.000 Is this a great lesson?

00:27:54.000 Which is be very careful who's trying to get you to do what they want, why they're trying to do it, even though they might not believe in the thing that they're trying to do.

00:28:01.000 They're trying to make you live to a standard that they themselves not even live.

00:28:05.000 Anyway, but Lucas, let me ask you a question here, which is heresies.

00:28:10.000 And I love this theme, and it's perfectly consistent.

00:28:13.000 I've been asked by pastors, they said, Charlie, what is the goal of TPSA Faith?

00:28:18.000 What is the goal of freedom night?

00:28:19.000 One of the immediate goals is to understand in the history of the church, there are times when very robust, sometimes fierce debates occur of what do we believe.

00:28:31.000 And you talk about this in the book.

00:28:32.000 For example, in the very early church, there was a debate, is Jesus Lord?

00:28:37.000 Is Jesus God or is Jesus a prophet?

00:28:39.000 Is Jesus a way to God or is Jesus God?

00:28:42.000 And this nearly divided the church, right?

00:28:44.000 And this needed to be dealt with.

00:28:46.000 And one more, in the 1800s, John C. Calhoun, a very gifted Southern writer, believed that slavery was supported by the scriptures, which it is not.

00:28:58.000 But this was a heresy that was growing in southern churches and was a defense in the Confederacy.

00:29:02.000 And we had to deal with that.

00:29:04.000 So Lucas, talk about at times there are heresies, false doctrine that emerge, and we have to deal with that aggressively.

00:29:11.000 So a heresy is a heresy because it's partially true, but it is true enough that you hear it and you go, that sounds about right.

00:29:22.000 But when you actually get into it, it does not line up.

00:29:26.000 It's really antithetical to scripture.

00:29:28.000 It is against the scriptures.

00:29:30.000 It might be against the lordship of Jesus.

00:29:32.000 It might be against God as the creator.

00:29:33.000 It might be against God's created order, which is what we're seeing in some of the sexuality and gender stuff that's happening today. 0.92

00:29:40.000 And so heresy is subtle.

00:29:44.000 If it had no truth in it, it would just be paganism.

00:29:46.000 It would be some other religion or something like that. 0.82

00:29:49.000 But the fact that it has some truth in it is what makes it a heresy.

00:29:52.000 And so I think that we can get very dogmatic about things.

00:29:55.000 We can get so narrow-minded.

00:29:57.000 There are certain people that would go, there's no such thing as a secondary belief.

00:30:00.000 Everything is primary because it's in the Bible.

00:30:03.000 And I would say, yes, everything is primary because it's the Bible.

00:30:06.000 Every word of God is useful for correcting teaching.

00:30:09.000 Every word of God is, every scripture is God-breathed.

00:30:11.000 We see this in Timothy.

00:30:14.000 But here's the reality.

00:30:15.000 There are certain passages that we could debate about, and those still exist within the confines of what I would call orthodoxy.

00:30:24.000 Probably the best example that I could give.

00:30:25.000 I grew up near Lake Michigan.

00:30:27.000 I still live over there.

00:30:28.000 And I'm on the pretty side of the lake, not Chicago.

00:30:30.000 I'm on the other side.

00:30:32.000 Hey, I grew up in Chicago.

00:30:34.000 I understand.

00:30:35.000 But, you know, we still got the better.

00:30:36.000 We got the better side, you know, but we have more snow as well, which so it's a trade-off.

00:30:41.000 But, you know, when you look at, you know, if you're by any body of water, you see these buoys, and they might be marking the swim zones or, you know, boating lanes or something like that.

00:30:51.000 And basically, a buoy is a big float that sits on top of the water, and it's got a cable that goes down to the bedrock, and it has some sort of weight or anchor point into the bottom of the lake or the ocean or whatever it is.

00:31:03.000 But that buoy is able to float in a circle as the wind and the waves come.

00:31:08.000 That circle, if you will, is, I believe, a picture of orthodoxy.

00:31:12.000 Is that it is connected to the truth of the word and it is rooted into the source, the bedrock, which is Jesus Christ.

00:31:19.000 We might have a belief over here.

00:31:21.000 We might have a belief over here.

00:31:23.000 The problem is when the cable gets disconnected and you just start drifting out into the dark waters of progressive ideology, that's where problems start.

00:31:30.000 So, look, I could debate once saved, always saved versus lose your salvation.

00:31:34.000 I could debate spiritual gifts, speaking in tongues versus not speaking in tongues, women in ministry versus not women in ministry.

00:31:39.000 I have very specific views on all of those things as sort of an independent charismatic.

00:31:44.000 But those things do not divide me from another brother or sister in Christ, or at least they shouldn't.

00:31:51.000 And so I'm able to find unity over the primaries while having some coffee shop conversations over the secondary and tertiary beliefs.

00:32:00.000 But when somebody starts violating primary doctrines, God is the creator, lordship of Jesus, Trinity, heaven and hell, depravity of man, need for repentance, all these sort of things, the dwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, then we have to speak up.

00:32:14.000 We have to call that out.

00:32:16.000 We have to push it back.

00:32:17.000 We cannot allow that any place in the church because it is a cancer and it will grow and it will spread.

00:32:23.000 I love that.

00:32:23.000 Amen.

00:32:24.000 And if I could just make sure everyone understands the stakes here, in a majority of seminaries, not a majority of churches, this false doctrine is winning.

00:32:37.000 Is that fair, Lucas?

00:32:38.000 100%.

00:32:39.000 So what would you say?

00:32:40.000 It's 55%, 60%. 0.72

00:32:41.000 I think it's right around 60 to 65%.

00:32:43.000 I would agree.

00:32:44.000 I was even going to say maybe upwards of 70 something.

00:32:46.000 Okay, so we're in the same neighborhood.

00:32:48.000 And so 70% of seminaries where your future pastors and youth pastors are learning are teaching false doctrine or something akin to it.

00:32:58.000 You have progressive professors that have infiltrated these schools.

00:33:02.000 You have dark money from leftist donors that are going into these schools.

00:33:07.000 And non-American donors.

00:33:09.000 Non-American donors, 100%.

00:33:11.000 In my book, I believe it's $2 or $3 million that Biola took, which there's some great people at Biola.

00:33:18.000 This isn't a condemnation against every single person there, but they took from a foreign donor that has ties to the Democratic Party.

00:33:26.000 And Soros also funds, not seminaries directly, but Soros has funded Christian groups that try to, let's say, weaken the truth of the gospel. 0.83

00:33:39.000 Is that fair?

00:33:39.000 Yeah, so, I mean, look, when you look at this kind of, you know, global reset, new world order, it's what I call the return to the Tower of Babel.

00:33:46.000 We basically had this, you know, the Tower of Babel is everybody speaking one language. 0.86

00:33:50.000 They get separated.

00:33:51.000 Now people are trying to return back to this.

00:33:53.000 And why was the Tower of Babel there?

00:33:55.000 It was there really out of rebellion because you had people like Nimrod and others in Scripture that did not trust God that he wasn't going to flood the earth again.

00:34:03.000 And so they were trying to build a structure that they could have.

00:34:06.000 That's a little bit Lucasology, right?

00:34:07.000 That's not, but we can extrapolate some of these ideas.

00:34:10.000 What we're seeing today is this, because the world has lost hope in the eternal, they're trying to build an eternal here, this utopia.

00:34:19.000 What's standing in the way of that?

00:34:21.000 The church, the United States, just barely.

00:34:25.000 Israel, other nations that are, you know, one of the few nations is claiming sovereignty.

00:34:29.000 So we see these things that are being attacked all the time.

00:34:32.000 They're being attacked because they remind the world of God's system, God's sovereignty, sovereign nations, his created order.

00:34:41.000 And there's always going to be a pushback and a hatred towards that.

00:34:44.000 And so if we look back historically when it comes to heresies, what does history tell us, Lucas, as to how we must handle it?

00:34:52.000 So it connects to what I'm saying, right?

00:34:54.000 So 70% of seminaries, I'll take your number, are infiltrated with this idea toxin.

00:35:00.000 I don't think a majority of churches are.

00:35:02.000 I'll be very honest.

00:35:03.000 A majority of churches have entertained and flirted with some of these ideas, but they're mostly in the middle.

00:35:10.000 There's about 20% based on our research at TPSA Faith that are amazing and rock solid like Dream City Church.

00:35:16.000 Okay.

00:35:16.000 About 20%.

00:35:18.000 That should give you a little bit of hope.

00:35:19.000 Would that number make sense to you, Lucas?

00:35:21.000 And then there's about 25% that are so awful that it's really, really bad. 0.52

00:35:27.000 Like Andy Stanley type, you know, where they're having homosexuals come up and trans people come up and present. 0.82

00:35:34.000 Yeah.

00:35:34.000 Right.

00:35:35.000 So there's 25% like that.

00:35:36.000 But then the remainder, about 50%, are, they might be flirting a little bit with post-modernism, playing footsie with critical theory.

00:35:45.000 You know, they might be looking to what to believe.

00:35:48.000 They might not even know that they're fully dipping into that.

00:35:50.000 They think that this is, they learned it from a professor at school.

00:35:53.000 They think this is a good idea.

00:35:54.000 They've heard some other speaker or thought leader and they're diving into it.

00:35:57.000 And therefore, there's a lot of hope, everybody, so the battle's not lost.

00:36:02.000 I just want everyone to know that, okay?

00:36:04.000 That we talk all the time.

00:36:06.000 We're so programmed to losing currently.

00:36:08.000 And I have to try to electroshock patriots out of this because every time we turn on the news, it feels like we're losing, right?

00:36:13.000 Every time.

00:36:14.000 So we haven't lost this yet, okay?

00:36:18.000 And we actually have made huge strides since COVID, everybody, during this fight in the church.

00:36:24.000 I'm telling you, 100%.

00:36:26.000 It is not just happy talk.

00:36:27.000 This church has played a big role in that.

00:36:29.000 My church has grown four times in the last 12 months.

00:36:33.000 So, I mean, yeah, it's, and now I would say a lot of that growth is among boomers because they're seeing this.

00:36:39.000 They remember all the issues.

00:36:41.000 You know, they know the importance of these things.

00:36:43.000 We have to continue.

00:36:44.000 This is why Turning Point is so important, doing a better job of reaching younger generations.

00:36:48.000 That's a whole mountain that we can chat about.

00:36:51.000 So the heresy is there.

00:36:53.000 You've identified it.

00:36:54.000 Other people have too, both religious and non-religious.

00:36:56.000 James Lindsay was here.

00:36:58.000 Well, I thought he was one of our best Freedom Night guests.

00:37:00.000 I know you would agree, who's a secular, you know, we got him to agnostic now.

00:37:04.000 James is brilliant.

00:37:05.000 And he's trying to fight the heresy, right?

00:37:05.000 Yeah.

00:37:07.000 We had Frank Turek here.

00:37:08.000 He's trying to fight the heresy.

00:37:10.000 Jeff Myers, you know, so we're bringing the all-star team, right?

00:37:14.000 Lucas, but where you're uniquely, you know, educated is how to defeat a heresy.

00:37:22.000 How do we defeat a heresy?

00:37:24.000 Through trying to find middle, through suing for peace, finding neutrality?

00:37:28.000 How do we defeat a lie from the pit of hell?

00:37:31.000 There's a rumor about the Council of Nicaea that the person that we call St. Nicholas, who we have a guy in a red suit that's kind of loosely based on, slapped a heretic at the Council of Nicaea.

00:37:44.000 And sometimes that might be the appropriate response.

00:37:47.000 But the majority of the time, what we have to do is we have to, first of all, we have to educate the church on these things.

00:37:55.000 This is, you know, it's not enough just to, somewhere along the lines, pastors have believed this lie.

00:38:00.000 It's like when God comes to Adam and Eve and says, who told you you were naked?

00:38:04.000 I say to pastors, who told you that abortion is a political topic?

00:38:08.000 Who told you that marriage is a political issue?

00:38:10.000 Who told you that sexuality and gender are political or that sovereign borders are political?

00:38:15.000 These are first and foremost spiritual issues that we have to teach and train and equip people for.

00:38:20.000 If our job, according to Ephesians 4, as leadership in the church, is to train God's people for works of service, it goes on to say so that they won't be tossed by every wind and wave that comes against them with doctrine and deceit.

00:38:31.000 And so we have to equip people in this way.

00:38:33.000 So it has to start with pastors.

00:38:35.000 I think that congregants can also put that upward pressure.

00:38:38.000 Now, you guys don't need to do it because you've got pastors that are standing with you here in this and really leading the charge, which is awesome.

00:38:44.000 But I think anybody else watching this kind of later or over the live stream, et cetera, that they could put some upward pressure on their pastor to ask them about these things.

00:38:54.000 And so we've created a website within our ministry called AmericanPastorProject.org that you can actually take to your pastor and say, hey, have you signed the statement here for biblical inerrancy and biblical authority here?

00:39:07.000 And if they haven't signed it, then you either are at a woke church or they haven't heard about us yet. 0.62

00:39:11.000 And you're going to find out real quick on if you're a woke church or not.

00:39:14.000 And so heresy, you know, to maybe give you a more direct answer, heresy tends to happen because we're either elevating grace or we're elevating truth, one over the other.

00:39:26.000 Jesus came in grace and truth.

00:39:28.000 It says in John, grace and truth is what makes up love.

00:39:32.000 Love is not just grace.

00:39:33.000 Love is not just acceptance.

00:39:35.000 Love is the combination of grace and truth.

00:39:37.000 If you elevate truth over grace, you become a bigot.

00:39:41.000 You become a Westboro Baptist. 0.73

00:39:43.000 If you elevate it so high, you know, and if you elevate a concept of grace over truth, you become a progressive, where it's just a doctrine of permissivism and a doctrine of acceptance.

00:39:55.000 And so we have to always look at our doctrine and say, where is the grace in this and where is the truth in this?

00:40:02.000 And if one is missing, we have to go back to the scriptures.

00:40:05.000 We have to make sure that what we're teaching actually lines up with that.

00:40:07.000 Yeah, and the best example of this, if you want to see the gospel in one narrative, John 8, where everyone's gathering around to stone the woman, and Jesus comes in and says, let the first among you throw the first stone.

00:40:19.000 Most pastors stop the story there.

00:40:19.000 Excellent.

00:40:22.000 Yeah. 0.93

00:40:22.000 So that's grace. 0.93

00:40:23.000 Yep.

00:40:24.000 But he ends with truth. 1.00

00:40:25.000 So then here's this woman. 0.97

00:40:27.000 And what does Jesus give her a free pass? 0.98

00:40:29.000 Like, have a good night.

00:40:30.000 You know, keep on sleeping around.

00:40:32.000 You know, I'm not here to say, hey, live and let live, baby.

00:40:36.000 No, he says, hey, you better stop sinning.

00:40:40.000 Yes.

00:40:41.000 You better stop it.

00:40:43.000 So we only say the first part of the story, right?

00:40:45.000 Let the first among you cast the first stone.

00:40:47.000 So we've watered down Jesus to be some sort of libertarian, like live and let live.

00:40:54.000 All's cool, you know, in the club, as long as I don't tell you how to live your life.

00:40:59.000 Grace and truth right there in like 10 verses.

00:41:01.000 He's the great social justice warrior rather than the savior of the world.

00:41:05.000 And that's really what the left is presenting.

00:41:07.000 That is the woke Jesus.

00:41:08.000 And look, the woke Jesus today, you know, he's double vax. 0.87

00:41:12.000 He's triple massed.

00:41:13.000 He bows the knee to BLM. 0.51

00:41:15.000 I mean, that's the Jesus that's being presented by the world.

00:41:17.000 The problem is he's just a fabrication.

00:41:19.000 He's not a real person.

00:41:21.000 He's certainly not the Savior.

00:41:22.000 He's certainly not God.

00:41:23.000 We have a biblical Christ in the Word of God clearly displayed to us.

00:41:27.000 No questions asked.

00:41:29.000 And that is the Jesus we have to present to the world.

00:41:30.000 Amen.

00:41:31.000 And I love that.

00:41:33.000 And it's a great reminder for me.

00:41:35.000 So everyone here in this audience needs to do a grace or truth check, right?

00:41:39.000 Things in balance are in homeostasis.

00:41:42.000 I fully acknowledge I play the truth more than grace.

00:41:45.000 It's just how I'm wired, okay?

00:41:46.000 I have very little patience for BS.

00:41:48.000 You guys know me, right?

00:41:50.000 So when I go to these campuses, I need to make sure I'm yoking grace with truth, right?

00:41:54.000 Some of you tonight are probably like, I need to make sure that I'm also speaking truth.

00:41:59.000 So can I, and I think this is interesting because the reality is that not every conversation has to have grace and truth.

00:42:06.000 There are times that a true rebuke is needed.

00:42:10.000 And if somebody is actually coming in, Paul says that the law is good if one uses it properly.

00:42:14.000 What's the proper use of the law?

00:42:15.000 The proper use of the law, he says, is for law breakers, for basically people who are self-righteous, that think they can do whatever they want, that don't think that there's a standard.

00:42:23.000 And that person needs to be given the law until they're basically broken and they go, what must I do to be saved?

00:42:29.000 And then you go, oh, by the way, here's the grace of God that gets to come in.

00:42:32.000 And so you're doing a lot of stuff with people that are law breakers.

00:42:35.000 And I think that's why you're leading the truth.

00:42:37.000 I think you're doing a great job at that.

00:42:38.000 I have to balance it.

00:42:39.000 I acknowledge it, right?

00:42:40.000 But we all should go through that introspection, right?

00:42:43.000 Which is sometimes if we go too far on the truth side or too far, honestly, let's be honest, most churches are way too far on the grace side and they don't whisper about truth.

00:42:52.000 Like, let's just be honest.

00:42:53.000 That's where it's.

00:42:53.000 Let's start lining up for some questions.

00:42:55.000 I want to remind you two things.

00:42:56.000 We have our Turning Point Academy booth. 0.99

00:42:58.000 Francine's doing a great job running it out there.

00:43:00.000 So afterwards, make sure you see it.

00:43:02.000 And Woke Jesus, help out Lucas.

00:43:04.000 He works really hard.

00:43:05.000 You're selling books out.

00:43:06.000 So help him out.

00:43:07.000 Are you going to be there to sign them or say hi?

00:43:09.000 I'll be there to sign them.

00:43:10.000 I got 150 books out there.

00:43:12.000 So once they're gone, they're gone.

00:43:13.000 You can then order it online.

00:43:14.000 We'll start lining up on both aisles, everybody.

00:43:16.000 If you have questions, be happy to ask them, answer them.

00:43:20.000 I'm sorry for Lucas.

00:43:22.000 Honestly, I don't want to talk that much about political results yesterday.

00:43:26.000 It's not that interesting to me.

00:43:27.000 I'd rather talk about the stuff we've been chatting about or other ways we can encourage you or answer questions.

00:43:33.000 Whoever wants to go first, start lining up.

00:43:35.000 Happy to do some questions.

00:43:38.000 Yes, sir.

00:43:39.000 If you have your hand raised, just get in line.

00:43:41.000 If you just stand up and get in line, yes, sir.

00:43:42.000 We'd be happy to take your question.

00:43:44.000 We'll start here, right here.

00:43:46.000 Hi.

00:43:47.000 I am so glad to be able to get here tonight.

00:43:49.000 And I drove many miles to get here, Lucas.

00:43:53.000 I had an opportunity to speak to our senior pastor today.

00:43:56.000 He was at a board meeting down in Florida at SEU.

00:43:59.000 And his wife Angel wasn't able to get here.

00:44:00.000 She's been across the world doing the Lord's work.

00:44:04.000 But did some research knowing you were coming here tonight and what you've talked about.

00:44:10.000 And Charlie, you started tonight with totalitarianism and the lack of totality that we've represented as believers.

00:44:19.000 And I think some of the things you may be pointing out here, when we look at and understand totalitarianism, the fact that there's a segmenting possibly that's going to come from getting us, it's a setup.

00:44:31.000 If we look at, so if you look at Sun Tzu, The Art of War, he states in there that if you don't know yourself and you don't know your enemy, you have zero chance of winning.

00:44:41.000 But if you know yourself and you know your enemy, now you've got a match here.

00:44:44.000 Okay, I don't know that we know all of that.

00:44:47.000 And then, Charlie, you'd mentioned that we've got a 25-25 hot cold and a 50%, I don't know what.

00:44:55.000 And that borrows from Eric Metaxa's book on Bonhoeffer.

00:44:58.000 It kind of sets the stage, I think, where we are at today and to reckon with what we're up against.

00:45:04.000 And it's really totalitarianism that's rolling out in front of us.

00:45:07.000 And if we don't stop and recognize who our enemy is and what they're trying to do and the 3D chess match they're playing, we're winding up sitting ducks.

00:45:16.000 And so I think the things you're bringing to us, brother, I think are right on the money.

00:45:20.000 And we need to be paying very close attention practically and pragmatically.

00:45:24.000 Thank you.

00:45:24.000 Appreciate that.

00:45:25.000 Thank you very much.

00:45:26.000 Excellent insight.

00:45:26.000 We'll go here.

00:45:27.000 Just a reminder, if you guys have questions, feel free to line up.

00:45:31.000 Okay, so when you talk about heresy being the complete truth, after your last turning point that I was on, I had about like 15 to 20 people come up to me about that reel you made.

00:45:43.000 And it wasn't the complete truth.

00:45:45.000 And I think the other people were more offended than I was about it because I know in my heart the whole entire question, the statement that I had to enter it.

00:45:55.000 So thank God for like me being rooted in my relationship with him and other people being more offended than me.

00:46:00.000 But with taking God's will into your own hands, I guess also, so I just want to know your guys' opinion on IUIs and hysterectomies and vasectomies.

00:46:08.000 You know, if you're taking something that's not God's will for you in your life and you're using technology and all these other, you know, like available stuff that they've created over time, like I just want to know what your opinions are on stuff that's actually not natural either.

00:46:24.000 You're going to make me tackle that, aren't you?

00:46:27.000 Okay, so yeah, so the question is essentially, and correct me here if I'm wrong, is that as Christians, there are a lot of ethical things that we're facing today with the result of new technology, specifically in the medical arena.

00:46:41.000 You talked about hysterectomies, about vasectomies, about some of the sexual health things that are happening.

00:46:45.000 And how do we approach that biblically?

00:46:47.000 Is that kind of the question?

00:46:49.000 Yeah, because if those aren't, you know, God wants you to have, you know, if you're taking technology and taking God's will into your own hands and using, you know, what they invented over time, you're taking it God's will that was never actually meant.

00:47:03.000 So yeah, I'll do my best to take a stab at that.

00:47:06.000 So, look, there are a lot of things that we have today that are obviously not talked about in scripture, right?

00:47:11.000 And so we don't, scripture doesn't talk about computers.

00:47:13.000 It doesn't talk about cars or anything like that.

00:47:16.000 Now, that doesn't mean that all these things are inherently wrong.

00:47:19.000 I think there's a lot of things that we have.

00:47:20.000 I think medicine is an example.

00:47:22.000 Technology is an example.

00:47:23.000 These are tools that are available to us.

00:47:26.000 There are ways to use those in a way that promotes righteousness.

00:47:29.000 There's ways to do those that promote life in people.

00:47:31.000 And there's ways to do that that creates kind of this Frankenstein-you know, science that we're seeing perpetuated today.

00:47:40.000 I think that there's a lot of personal liberties in some of the things that you're talking about.

00:47:43.000 I believe that, although I would love to see somebody healed just from God, the reality is that that's not what we see as the norm for most people.

00:47:53.000 And so doctors have their place.

00:47:55.000 Medicine has its place.

00:47:57.000 And I think that each person has to approach some of those things.

00:47:59.000 I would treat a lot of those conversations like the conversation about meat sacrificed to idols.

00:48:04.000 I actually have a whole section in my book on kind of that medical conversation in regards to this.

00:48:09.000 Is that we have, there are some people that they would lose their faith if they were eating meat that had been sacrificed to others.

00:48:16.000 There are people that are other people that aren't bothered by it.

00:48:19.000 And there are ways in which we can approach that on an individual level.

00:48:22.000 Again, I think I would put that in like a tertiary doctrine.

00:48:25.000 It's not primary.

00:48:26.000 It's not even a secondary.

00:48:28.000 It's sort of this modern embrace of these things that we can, where there's room for different perspectives.

00:48:33.000 What is where maybe one person lands is not going to be where the other person lands.

00:48:37.000 We have to make sure and not create a law about those things that starts bringing judgment and condemnation on other people that might see it a little bit differently than us, you know, one way or the other.

00:48:46.000 When you get into medical, you know, some of the reproductive stuff, if it is actually, you know, killing a child or doing something like that, obviously that moves into, that becomes a primary doctrine real quick at that point.

00:48:59.000 Yeah, and I would say, so actually, it's interesting, and I think 1 Timothy, Paul writes to Timothy, hey, I know your stomach's hurting.

00:49:05.000 You should try a little bit of wine, which is interesting because actually is Paul supporting this idea of what would be considered medicine.

00:49:12.000 So there are some people, I don't think anyone here, there's an entire denomination that Mary Baker Eddie, and there's some great Christian scientists, but they don't believe in any sort of external medicine.

00:49:21.000 And I don't believe that to be biblical, by the way, at all.

00:49:24.000 That example is one of many.

00:49:26.000 The question is, what are you doing it for, right?

00:49:28.000 So if you're using a medical intervention to try to glorify God and to try to further His purpose, then praise God.

00:49:35.000 I'll give you a great example.

00:49:37.000 The most common medical procedure that saves life is a cesarean section.

00:49:41.000 One out of three of all babies are born via cesarean section.

00:49:44.000 And praise God, we have that technology available so that babies don't have to die right before being able to come out of the birth canal.

00:49:53.000 And mothers.

00:49:53.000 And mothers, right?

00:49:55.000 People used to die because of bacterial infections. 0.99

00:49:58.000 Praise God that we have antibiotics, right?

00:50:00.000 That's a really great thing.

00:50:02.000 Something that we take for granted is a fever reducer.

00:50:05.000 Fever is used to kill people all the time, including pregnant mothers, right? 0.98

00:50:09.000 And just the simple Tylenol, if you're pregnant or whatever, Advil, can reduce your fever and can increase your chances of survival.

00:50:16.000 Where I think there is moral questions that I'm not necessarily equipped to answer, but the church has debated this forever.

00:50:24.000 If you're using a medical intervention to change nature and not for the sake of changing nature, then I think there's some serious moral questions for that.

00:50:32.000 And a lobotomy would be an example, right?

00:50:35.000 A lobotomy is sick, cruel, and unusual.

00:50:38.000 You're literally taking out a frontal lobe and it doesn't work and you're creating someone to be catatonic.

00:50:43.000 Which is different than, say, a brain surgery where somebody has a tumor that they have to extract.

00:50:48.000 And so there's those moral questions we have to sort through.

00:50:51.000 Understand that the original, the first scientist is Sir Francis Bacon.

00:50:57.000 He wasn't necessarily a Christian, but Sir Isaac Newton was a big Christian.

00:51:01.000 He wrote more on biblical prophecy and Isaiah than he did even about science.

00:51:06.000 Even Sir Francis Bacon, he believed science was to understand that there's a natural design, natural law, and we must explore it and understand it and improve the human condition in the natural world.

00:51:18.000 It changed in the 1850s with the Germans who were responsible for basically everything bad over the last 200 years. 1.00

00:51:25.000 And they said, wait a second, why don't we change nature using our will?

00:51:30.000 And understand, science can be broken into two different categories today.

00:51:34.000 Are you trying to understand the natural world to advance human flourishing to the advancement of God's glory with humility that you did not create the world, but you're trying to understand it to allow human beings to live longer and better lives?

00:51:45.000 Or are you trying to change it?

00:51:47.000 And I'll be very honest, mRNA vaccine technology goes from one bucket into the other to actually change the human being itself.

00:51:57.000 And that's not some sort of wacky theory.

00:51:59.000 That's actually the basis of what Yoal, you know, Harari and these guys talk about.

00:52:04.000 I hope that helped answers your question.

00:52:06.000 But this is also what's important when it comes to the question of science.

00:52:11.000 Scientism is the predominant viewpoint.

00:52:15.000 And they act as if you can administer science with no worldview or no moral compass.

00:52:21.000 And this was the mistake of allowing Fauci run the entire government.

00:52:25.000 Amen.

00:52:27.000 So here's a guy who says, well, I'm just trusting the science, but at some point you have to make a moral judgment, right?

00:52:33.000 And he failed almost every moral question, which is, wait a second, why lock down the schools?

00:52:39.000 There's nothing more precious than your young people.

00:52:42.000 Why would you not have them have slower language development?

00:52:45.000 When he becomes God over the science, that's the problem.

00:52:48.000 So like if you're, I mean, and that's really question, is everything in my life submitted to the lordship of Jesus?

00:52:55.000 That's really the question at the end of the day.

00:52:57.000 And so there are ways to have surgery in faith.

00:53:00.000 There are ways to take medicine in faith.

00:53:03.000 There are also ways to do science and surgery and medicine that's outside of faith where we're trying to put ourselves in that lordship.

00:53:10.000 So hopefully that helps with the question.

00:53:11.000 I appreciate you asking.

00:53:13.000 Thank you.

00:53:16.000 Hi, I have a, I'd like your thoughts on a few things here.

00:53:19.000 So I'm Ukrainian.

00:53:22.000 I was, you know, my grandparents immigrated here.

00:53:26.000 They taught me and showed me all about communism, all about the horrors of communism.

00:53:34.000 And I see a very dangerous parallel that we as a country seem to be very close to where they were in Russia in 1916.

00:53:44.000 Right before the Russian Revolution, right before the Bolsheviks.

00:53:49.000 And what I see in the church is, frankly, a castration of men that would be willing to stand up and yay, even die to stop a massive evil incursion.

00:54:08.000 And I think that it's rooted in this thought that the church, that God has a plan and that, you know, he's going to go and we'll probably be raptured anyway.

00:54:19.000 So why would we worry?

00:54:21.000 Well, the thing is, is that Bolshevism, the Bolsheviks weren't even Russian.

00:54:26.000 They hated Russians.

00:54:29.000 They killed every priest, burned down every church, and drove Russia into 60 to 70 years of the darkest time of their existence. 0.95

00:54:42.000 With that godless communist Marxism, they infiltrated the schools.

00:54:48.000 They infiltrated politics.

00:54:52.000 And they ultimately destroyed Russia and took them into the darkest times of their history. 0.86

00:54:59.000 And I hear a quote that says, you must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russian.

00:55:08.000 They hated Russians. 0.67

00:55:10.000 They hated Christians. 0.99

00:55:11.000 Driven by ethnic hatred, they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. 0.97

00:55:20.000 It cannot be overstated.

00:55:21.000 Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. 1.00

00:55:26.000 The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators.

00:55:36.000 And that was from Alexander Solchin.

00:55:38.000 Yeah.

00:55:39.000 I'd like your thoughts on that.

00:55:41.000 That's a big topic.

00:55:42.000 So yeah, I will answer it in a certain way.

00:55:46.000 First of all, you're totally right.

00:55:48.000 We are kind of in 1917, Russian Revolution.

00:55:51.000 Interestingly enough, we, America, were somewhat responsible for the Russian Revolution.

00:55:55.000 No one wants to mention that.

00:55:57.000 But we actually allowed and co-sponsored Vladimir Lenin to go from Berlin with the famous train full of gold.

00:56:04.000 And we said, hey, you know, is there a way to kind of weaken the Eastern Front?

00:56:06.000 Let's start a communist revolution in Russia. 0.99

00:56:09.000 That was really dumb. 0.99

00:56:10.000 And we helped underwrite. 0.99

00:56:13.000 Actually, Trotsky was in an American prison.

00:56:15.000 And we released him.

00:56:17.000 He said, hey, go have fun with your buddy Lenin.

00:56:20.000 There's another part of this, though, that I want to emphasize, which is the reason why the Russian Revolution stuck, because they tried many times previously, right?

00:56:28.000 That was not the first time the communists tried to take over Russia.

00:56:31.000 One of the reasons why it tried is because there was serious economic suffering happening in Russia.

00:56:37.000 And that is the buried lead of what is happening in America right now.

00:56:41.000 You have an entire generation of 20-somethings that cannot afford to buy a home.

00:56:46.000 You are creating 50 million Russian serfs that will explode. 1.00

00:56:51.000 It is a volcano waiting to happen.

00:56:53.000 And this audience is predominantly baby boomer.

00:56:56.000 I just want to make you guys understand, this is not a time to pander to young people and play the victim card.

00:57:05.000 You had it much easier than they did, everybody, to buy a home.

00:57:08.000 Okay?

00:57:09.000 I know people don't like hearing that, but you try to buy a home right now in Metro Phoenix with $200,000 in student loan debt, earning $60,000 a year to go buy an $850,000 starter home in Scottsdale.

00:57:25.000 How does that work?

00:57:26.000 Show me the numbers.

00:57:27.000 Somebody come to me because it doesn't.

00:57:29.000 And it creates economic resentment where all of a sudden a Bolshevik revolution can explode.

00:57:34.000 That's good.

00:57:35.000 No, look, I would echo that.

00:57:35.000 That's good.

00:57:38.000 And let me say, I was in Ukraine in 2017, beautiful country.

00:57:42.000 Spent about two weeks there.

00:57:44.000 And I think that, you know, I have a lot of those same concerns.

00:57:47.000 I think that we have a pressure cooker that's happening here in America.

00:57:50.000 I think that it's very, it's not, it's not win.

00:57:54.000 I mean, look, I'm an optimist.

00:57:56.000 God wins in the end.

00:57:57.000 But that doesn't mean that the church in America always thrives, and it doesn't mean that America always thrives.

00:58:02.000 So we can believe that God's going to come and redeem his people and still have concerns about whether or not our nation is going to stand strong.

00:58:10.000 One of the things that I tell people all the time, and I saw this in Ukraine as well when I visited some of the churches in the old city there.

00:58:18.000 And beautiful buildings and beautiful buildings.

00:58:20.000 We go throughout Europe.

00:58:21.000 We see these beautiful structures.

00:58:23.000 They are reminders of a place where the church was once thriving.

00:58:27.000 And it is now essentially a memorial to a church that has died in those nations and is no longer present.

00:58:36.000 It no longer has power that's there.

00:58:39.000 That same threat is in danger here in America.

00:58:42.000 If we can't get, you know, if we can't start reaching younger generations, if we can't reach millennial and Gen Z, I just finished a compilation book this last year with Dr. George Barna and Sam Rodriguez, a bunch of others called Helping Millennials Thrive.

00:58:56.000 I don't have any with me, but great resource if you want to write down the title and check that out, especially for people that you have an influence in that sphere.

00:59:04.000 And we have to be able to offer this generation more than just communism bad.

00:59:12.000 We have to be able to hear them.

00:59:13.000 We have to be able to recognize that they have ideas and gifts that are meaningful, but they need steered and corrected.

00:59:21.000 And they need policies that can actually help them thrive.

00:59:24.000 And that we don't have that right now.

00:59:26.000 What we're seeing are things that, you know, the dollar has lost so much value.

00:59:29.000 All these things, they're just, they're very powerless to get out of that.

00:59:33.000 That is going to produce a lot of resentment, and it's going to eventually have the potential to be the kind of that revolution mindset.

00:59:40.000 I think we're already seeing some of that today.

00:59:43.000 I've worn this with conservative Republicans the last five years.

00:59:46.000 There's a volcano that's going to erupt because you're going to have 50 million young people that are not married and don't have kids and they own nothing and they're not happy.

00:59:54.000 Thank you.

00:59:55.000 Yeah, it's good.

00:59:56.000 Hi, my name is Novemberlyn.

00:59:59.000 I'm Navajo, so I'm Native American, obviously.

01:00:02.000 And I have a question.

01:00:04.000 I'm not really quite sure how to phrase it, but so there's such a stronghold on Native Americans. 0.99

01:00:10.000 You know, they obviously live as victims from the past of Christianity, what has been like happened in the past. 0.84

01:00:18.000 And I get asked the question, like, you know, how do you serve a God when they did so much to our people?

01:00:24.000 And that's a stronghold that they have on the Navajo Reservation.

01:00:27.000 And the Navajo Reservation is obviously the biggest reservation in the United States.

01:00:31.000 And their votes actually have an effect on Arizona and like, you know, their Senate, state, everything.

01:00:38.000 And so my question is that the stronghold really puts a lot of fear on the churches for them to stand up for the truth because that's thrown in our face.

01:00:48.000 And quite frankly, I don't really under like know how to answer that.

01:00:52.000 But my question to you is: how can we as Christians in a native like Navajo Nation or other reservations to bring something like Freedom Nights, you know, to encourage other churches to stand up for the truth?

01:01:06.000 And because we have no one on the reservation, we have our own government, we have our own presidents, we have at least a hundred sorry, they're like, it just slipped my mind.

01:01:18.000 So there's like seats, they're like different council, yeah, council delegates.

01:01:23.000 There you go.

01:01:24.000 And so all of them are not Christians. 0.68

01:01:27.000 So for us Christians, we have no one to vote for.

01:01:30.000 And just this year, they passed same-sex marriage on the reservation.

01:01:34.000 Do they really?

01:01:35.000 So now Planned Parenthood is trying to come to the reservation.

01:01:38.000 And I feel like, you know, as Christians, we need to unite.

01:01:42.000 You know, God will always be faithful.

01:01:44.000 And I just want to know, like, any encouragement or suggestions on how to bring it to the reservations here in the United States and like up in the northern plains, there's so much of drug addiction and there's a lot of...

01:01:57.000 Yeah, there's so much.

01:01:58.000 And I just want to know how can we bring it to the reservation?

01:02:01.000 That's a beautiful question.

01:02:01.000 First of all, let's give it up.

01:02:03.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:02:04.000 Absolutely.

01:02:05.000 I go for the angle.

01:02:07.000 Yeah, please.

01:02:08.000 First of all, I would love.

01:02:10.000 I mean, I don't know if I would be welcomed, to be honest, but I would love.

01:02:14.000 I'll tell you a quick story.

01:02:15.000 I went to Shiprock, New Mexico, which is a very native area, with Donald Trump Jr. in the 2016 campaign.

01:02:24.000 And we had like 2,000 people show up, and it was incredibly powerful and depressing because I've never seen poverty like that.

01:02:32.000 And I've been to the third world in our own country every if you haven't been to a native reservation, and I'm not saying this is a way to make you feel sorry or anything, you would agree.

01:02:40.000 There is some very, very poor, depressing parts.

01:02:44.000 I would love the dialogue offline, but you have a big fight because you're a Christian. 0.96

01:02:50.000 You're fighting multi-generational paganism.

01:02:54.000 And I don't mean that as an insult.

01:02:56.000 It's just what some people will believe is worship of the earth, right?

01:02:59.000 They will believe that, and that's a fight actually only the Bible can win because the Bible was actually written as a refutation of that.

01:03:09.000 You mentioned one thing.

01:03:10.000 I love your term stronghold.

01:03:13.000 And here's a rule of life.

01:03:16.000 As long as a group believes they are a victim, they're right.

01:03:23.000 Yeah.

01:03:24.000 It is a truism of existence.

01:03:26.000 Let me say this.

01:03:27.000 God only needs one person to be obedient, to stand up, and to bring the truth to see something change.

01:03:34.000 And so, you know, we saw 12 people literally change the face of the world forever.

01:03:41.000 And they all went, the reason they did that was not because they band together for the whole time.

01:03:45.000 They went out in a bunch of individual areas and one person, you know, went to each place and they literally gave their lives for the cause and the world was changed, you know, for the gospel.

01:03:55.000 I've spent a little time on reservations.

01:03:59.000 I've got a great story about cannonball, North Dakota.

01:04:03.000 I was assaulted, struck at by a rattlesnake, knocked unconscious.

01:04:09.000 I mean, a whole thing.

01:04:10.000 And I'll tell you what, like, if there was an opportunity to go back and preach the gospel again, I would do it in a heartbeat.

01:04:16.000 But I think that, you know, what Charlie said is right, that there is a need for this, to me, in some ways, it's almost more exciting, and I'm more optimistic about what the gospel can do there, because there is a faith that is still, I think, held by a lot of the people, even though it might be paganism.

01:04:38.000 It's easier to convert somebody who is pagan than somebody who's godless. 0.97

01:04:43.000 And so, and this is what we have to focus on.

01:04:45.000 And so, like, I'm thinking about Paul's message, you know, in Acts where he's talking about the unknown God.

01:04:52.000 And, you know, really that, let me tell you about this unknown God that you worship and let me tell you his true identity.

01:04:57.000 And we need kind of that spirit to happen there.

01:05:00.000 But my prayer for you, and again, I would be happy to stop by the table if we can do anything for you and get resources your way.

01:05:06.000 Would love to know more about this to support that.

01:05:09.000 But my prayer for you is that God just raises up you and an army of people like you that have the ability to go into those places and really bring hope and truth because they're beautiful people, beautiful customs.

01:05:20.000 And I think that they are ripe for opportunity to receive the gospel.

01:05:26.000 But it's that Marxist substructure of oppressor versus oppressed that's worked its way in.

01:05:31.000 You see the BLM signs there and everything else.

01:05:33.000 We have to eradicate that and have to, they need help seeing that that's actually preventing their prospering rather than helping them in any way.

01:05:43.000 God bless you.

01:05:44.000 Thank you so much.

01:05:44.000 We're behind you.

01:05:45.000 Yeah.

01:05:46.000 We'll get to a couple more and then we're out of time.

01:05:48.000 Yes, sir.

01:05:49.000 Do you consider yourself a black robe pastor?

01:05:53.000 And do you think we should be recruiting more pastors into the black robe regiment?

01:06:01.000 So, I mean, in the way in which you're asking that, I would say certainly, right?

01:06:07.000 But I think that here's the thing.

01:06:10.000 Unless you are a history buff, you don't know what that term means.

01:06:15.000 And there are a lot of people, I'm sure there's even people in this room that might not know that term black robe regiment and the kind of the fight that the pastors really led and support for this nation.

01:06:27.000 And so I want to be very forward-thinking and not just trying to go backwards in the mission that I have.

01:06:35.000 We need a new thing.

01:06:37.000 I don't know if that's going to be called Black Robe Regiment 2.

01:06:41.000 I mean, that's certainly the spirit of the American Pastor Project.

01:06:44.000 I think it's what I'm seeing with the spirit of Turning Point Faith and their pastors' events that they're doing.

01:06:49.000 But I want to make sure that we are, like, that we're being what we need to be for this time and space, and that we're not just trying to look backwards, because we cannot recover the past.

01:07:02.000 We have to figure out how to move forward.

01:07:04.000 And so I probably have a little bit different focus and approach than maybe some of the guys in that space.

01:07:11.000 But I think that, you know, and that's because I don't, I mean, here's the deal.

01:07:15.000 Tell me one other guy, I just turned 44, who's my age, that has a national platform that's speaking about these issues and is a current pastor in ministry.

01:07:25.000 I have a church that's waiting for me to come home.

01:07:27.000 I've been on the road for two weeks.

01:07:28.000 I'm sure a lot of them are watching right now on our live stream.

01:07:30.000 I don't know anybody else.

01:07:33.000 I wish that I, I hope I'm not the only guy.

01:07:36.000 I just don't have another friend who's my age, who's doing what I'm doing, who's out there in that space.

01:07:42.000 Most of the guys are 20 years older than me that are doing this.

01:07:45.000 I thank God for them and the mentorship that I've had from them.

01:07:48.000 I want to see a guy 20 years younger than me stand up and do this, but we are not reaching my generation, kind of that, you know, I'm sort of either the youngest Gen X or the oldest millennial, and we have to do a better job doing that.

01:08:00.000 And I think that that's really going to happen by looking at where we are today rather than just looking to the past on the solution.

01:08:07.000 So I don't know if that answered you fully, but I hope so.

01:08:09.000 God bless you, man.

01:08:09.000 Thank you.

01:08:10.000 We'll get two more.

01:08:11.000 One, two.

01:08:12.000 Yes.

01:08:15.000 So on the way over here, I was scrolling through Instagram and I saw on a video that Jimmy Fallon, you know, the host of the tonight show, he just made fun of GCU being fined for $39 million because of how they lied to some students about the tuition costs.

01:08:34.000 I was just wondering if I can get your thoughts on that.

01:08:37.000 Of who being fined?

01:08:39.000 Okay, Jimmy Fallon's a cruel person. 0.99

01:08:42.000 Yeah, he's a cruel person. 0.83

01:08:43.000 And I mean, GCU, in my opinion, did nothing wrong.

01:08:43.000 Yeah.

01:08:46.000 I think it's the wrong, the Department of Education is targeting GCU because of their stated Christian beliefs.

01:08:52.000 And you want to start finding universities?

01:08:54.000 How about you find Harvard for these 31 student organizations that are in support of Jew hatred?

01:09:01.000 And they're targeting liberty.

01:09:03.000 They're charting GCU.

01:09:04.000 The Biden regime is using the Department of Education as an artillery weapon to go after faithful schools.

01:09:11.000 I haven't agreed to GCU on everything, by the way.

01:09:13.000 That's been very clear.

01:09:14.000 But I stand with them 100% on this.

01:09:16.000 They are being so wrongly targeted.

01:09:19.000 There's so few good schools out there.

01:09:21.000 And GCU does more right than wrong.

01:09:23.000 And they stand righteously when it really matters.

01:09:25.000 And they're trying to get obliterated by the, of course, Jimmy Fallon will delight in that, obviously. 0.97

01:09:32.000 So yeah, I mean, the left are cruel, cruel people. 0.83

01:09:35.000 Meanwhile, these secular institutions, they get away with it. 0.58

01:09:38.000 So thank you.

01:09:39.000 We all need to support GCU at this time.

01:09:41.000 It's really, really sad what's happening.

01:09:43.000 All right, final question.

01:09:45.000 Hi, Lucas.

01:09:46.000 Thank you for coming.

01:09:47.000 So I've been traveling across the United States and I've been looking at the teens and young adult groups.

01:09:53.000 So my focus is teens and young adults.

01:09:56.000 And I noticed that a lot of the programs are just based around topics that are comfortable.

01:10:02.000 So it seems like the young adult and some of the teen groups I've seen around are just the better roses versus people actually knowing that there's a war going on.

01:10:10.000 And then also, on the other hand, when I think about my brothers and sisters in Africa, I'm like, yeah, they're fighting, but this war is coming.

01:10:17.000 And they're not well informed.

01:10:19.000 They don't even know how to answer the questions that are coming up.

01:10:22.000 So my question for you, and it's for the teens and young adults, but my question for you from a resource standpoint is, do you have a resource that, one, talks about the issues?

01:10:32.000 Two, talks about the origins of the issues.

01:10:36.000 Three, talks about the proliferation of the issue so we know how far it's spreading.

01:10:41.000 Four, talks about the defense or the scriptural standard and the way that we can answer it.

01:10:46.000 And then five gives us, teaches us how to communicate with grace and wisdom to the issues we're near.

01:10:54.000 Wonderful.

01:10:55.000 Brilliant.

01:10:55.000 I mean, what a great way to end this.

01:10:57.000 First up, what country in Africa are you from?

01:11:00.000 Cameroon.

01:11:01.000 What is it?

01:11:01.000 Cameroon.

01:11:02.000 Cameroon.

01:11:02.000 Okay, very good.

01:11:03.000 I've spent a fair amount of time in East Africa, but I've not been to Cameroon.

01:11:08.000 So certainly Woke Jesus is that attempt to deal with that.

01:11:12.000 And we talk about the issues.

01:11:14.000 That's a broad topic, and the issues are changing by the day.

01:11:17.000 And so with the publishing cycle, a book takes six months to get out once, and it takes a year to write it up until that time.

01:11:23.000 So really, every book that hits the market is already dated by at least six months when it gets there.

01:11:27.000 So there's need for more on that.

01:11:30.000 But I think that collectively that there are a lot of resources for the issues.

01:11:34.000 I mean, certainly Turning Point has just a ton of things.

01:11:38.000 They're brilliant at creating, whether it be video content or materials to get in people's hands.

01:11:43.000 I think that as far as the big issues of government tyranny, wokeism in general, CRT, doctrinal heresy, and these things, that you're going to find in a book like Woke Jesus.

01:11:57.000 My previous book was called The Christian Left.

01:11:59.000 I don't have it with me, but that came out about a year before this one and is more about kind of what was happening.

01:12:05.000 Well, this is more about the history and why it's happening and kind of what do we do about it.

01:12:09.000 I'm also working on a new project.

01:12:11.000 I can't announce the name of it yet.

01:12:14.000 But it is going to be a lot more of a focus on where do we go from here.

01:12:19.000 Because what you identify with some of these younger groups that they get together, they're hanging out, they have fellowship, but they don't realize that there's a war going on.

01:12:27.000 I mean, here's the realities.

01:12:28.000 Jesus' disciples, they were the millennial Gen Z generation when he really brought them around himself.

01:12:37.000 And I think that we have the ability to, let me say it this way.

01:12:41.000 I think that millennials and Gen Z, if they can actually understand what's happening, those that get it, and there's a lot that do, those that get it, those that understand it, those that really solidify themselves with the biblical worldview and their faith in Christ, they have the ability to change the planet more than I think Gen X ever did.

01:13:01.000 And I think that we need to support them and find as many ways as we can.

01:13:04.000 But we need people like yourself that do get it to really start raising their hand and saying, hey, I'm going to start gathering 10, 12 people around me and disciple these guys, make sure they're showing up in church, make sure the relationships are on track, make sure they're in the word, and really, you know, see that.

01:13:19.000 And you will start seeing that movement really change.

01:13:22.000 I think this nation, I'm optimistic, cautiously optimistic, but I am optimistic because I think what other choice do we have as Christians?

01:13:30.000 We have to believe for that hope while being realistic about the real dangers that are facing and the pressure cooker that does exist.

01:13:36.000 Amen.

01:13:36.000 Thank you, men.

01:13:37.000 All right, so one final announcement, everybody.

01:13:39.000 This is our last Freedom Night for the year, but there's two really exciting things happening for the end of the year.

01:13:45.000 The first is obviously Christmas celebration.

01:13:48.000 Get your tickets for that.

01:13:49.000 The second is we want to have the largest Freedom Night contingent possible at Amfest, which is coming to the Phoenix Convention Center.

01:13:58.000 I think we have, yeah, so we have Tucker Carlson going to be there, Candace Owens, Dennis Prager.

01:14:05.000 There's so many other.

01:14:06.000 Roseanne, it's going to be unbelievable, right?

01:14:08.000 And some huge names that have yet to be announced.

01:14:12.000 Benny Johnson, Jack, Pesobic, Brandon, Tatum.

01:14:15.000 So I want to make sure I got these instructions right.

01:14:17.000 You follow that QR code.

01:14:19.000 Who has been to Amfest before?

01:14:21.000 Raise your hand.

01:14:22.000 Every hand should go up.

01:14:22.000 Okay.

01:14:23.000 It's literally at the Phoenix Convention Center.

01:14:26.000 It's three and a half, four days.

01:14:28.000 We have a faith night, by the way, which is going to be amazing.

01:14:31.000 We have concerts.

01:14:33.000 We have comedy stuff.

01:14:34.000 We have amazing speakers.

01:14:36.000 It's going to blow you away.

01:14:38.000 And bring a friend.

01:14:39.000 It's affordable.

01:14:39.000 You guys get 50% off, which is a steal of a deal.

01:14:43.000 Follow that QR code.

01:14:44.000 Let's get as many local people as possible.

01:14:47.000 And when you go, you'll realize why I'm promoting it.

01:14:53.000 It really is invigorating.

01:14:55.000 It fills you with hope.

01:14:57.000 And that's the final thing I'll say: there's a lot to be down about.

01:15:01.000 I get it.

01:15:01.000 If you want to get a shot in the arm and a stimulus of, you know what, our best days are ahead, come and you'll be around 10,000 young people from across the country celebrating liberty, celebrating freedom.

01:15:12.000 So, Phoenix Convention Center, you're going to hear me relentlessly promote this for Dream City.

01:15:18.000 We have a ton of tickets set aside.

01:15:19.000 Our ticketing is up big time from last year, so get your tickets while you can and follow that QR code.

01:15:25.000 Lucas, this has been great.

01:15:26.000 Lucas will be signing some books outside, and we'll see you guys at Amfest.

01:15:31.000 We'll announce the next Freedom Night for January.

01:15:33.000 God bless you guys.

01:15:36.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:15:38.000 Email us as always: freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:15:40.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

01:15:45.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - November 26, 2023

How to Kick Woke-ism Out of American Christianity — LIVE from Freedom Night

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