The Charlie Kirk Show - How to Lose Weight, "The Biggest Loser" Style ft. Jillian Michaels

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00:01:27.000 We are ready for health fitness and the biggest loser.

00:01:31.000 Stacy's going to love this one.

00:01:33.000 This is a very exciting guest.

00:01:36.000 First time actually ever meeting her.

00:01:37.000 Been following her for a while and you might remember her on a certain show. 0.99

00:01:42.000 The biggest loser. 0.93

00:01:43.000 So joining us now is Jillian Michaels. 0.98

00:01:46.000 Jillian, come on up here. 1.00

00:01:56.000 Take a seat.

00:01:57.000 Okay, I will.

00:02:00.000 Thank you so much.

00:02:01.000 I appreciate that.

00:02:03.000 Thank you.

00:02:04.000 I love this.

00:02:04.000 I'm already comfortable.

00:02:05.000 It matches your eyes.

00:02:08.000 Thank you.

00:02:09.000 Thank you, everyone.

00:02:10.000 Thank you so much.

00:02:11.000 So so nice to meet you.

00:02:13.000 I've been following you from afar for a while.

00:02:15.000 Same.

00:02:16.000 And it's just kind of fun how all these paths kind of come together, right?

00:02:20.000 It's awesome, actually.

00:02:21.000 And I really have to commend you for being such a uniting cultural force.

00:02:28.000 Oh, thank you.

00:02:28.000 I appreciate it.

00:02:29.000 We have lots of voices here, lots of perspectives, and it's exciting.

00:02:34.000 So for those of you that are not totally familiar with you or your story, who are you?

00:02:38.000 And tell us why you're so passionate about making America healthy again.

00:02:42.000 Gosh, well, I am a former fat kid that fell into fitness because I got into martial arts.

00:02:49.000 And I learned over the course of many years and great instruction that when you feel strong physically, you feel strong in every facet of your life.

00:02:57.000 Fell into being a fitness trainer, ended up working.

00:03:01.000 Sorry, I'll go over here.

00:03:03.000 I don't know why I felt the need to deepen my voice as well in that moment.

00:03:07.000 Forgive me.

00:03:07.000 All right.

00:03:08.000 Anyway, I fell into fitness training when I was training for my black belt.

00:03:12.000 And the rest kind of took on a life of its own.

00:03:14.000 And this is why I think when you do what you love, the universe really does conspire on your behalf.

00:03:20.000 And I've had a huge amount of serendipity that I'm grateful for.

00:03:24.000 And how I ended up sitting here with you, Maha is definitely part of it.

00:03:30.000 And I'm grateful for that movement.

00:03:32.000 I think it's long overdue.

00:03:34.000 But health became a political football.

00:03:38.000 And so I was dragged into this arena.

00:03:42.000 I'm not sorry.

00:03:43.000 And I think this is where I need to be.

00:03:45.000 And that's where these Venn diagram, the Venn diagram of politics and wellness intersects for me.

00:03:51.000 And so you were outspoken against a lot of the mandates during COVID, correct?

00:03:55.000 I was.

00:03:56.000 As time progressed, I didn't really understand the vaccine piece of it all.

00:04:02.000 And to be dead honest, I just assumed it was safe.

00:04:06.000 I mean, why wouldn't it be safe?

00:04:08.000 To say that vaccines weren't safe was like saying the earth was flat.

00:04:12.000 What I did appreciate very early on is that the lockdowns made no sense and the mandates made no sense.

00:04:19.000 Like you would walk into a restaurant.

00:04:21.000 This one's my absolute favorite.

00:04:22.000 And you have to wear a mask when you walked in because you could only catch COVID if you were standing up.

00:04:28.000 And then when you sat down, you could take off your mask safely and converse and consume food.

00:04:34.000 And I remember thinking, this does not make a ton of sense to me.

00:04:38.000 And then later, I began to investigate more of what did not make sense.

00:04:43.000 Well, and my favorite during COVID was when you flew on an airplane, where that virus is a very, very tricky virus.

00:04:50.000 It takes time off while you eat.

00:04:53.000 Yes.

00:04:54.000 So when you're eating or drinking, the virus just kind of chills out.

00:04:58.000 Exactly.

00:04:58.000 But otherwise, you must keep the mask on.

00:05:00.000 100%.

00:05:01.000 And very important, you're allowed to eat and drink with people next to you at 35,000 feet.

00:05:06.000 But once you land in LA, all the restaurants are closed.

00:05:10.000 Because you're not allowed to eat next to people in LA, but you're allowed to eat next to people on your flight to LA sitting right next to you.

00:05:18.000 Yep.

00:05:18.000 Indoors, not socially distanced.

00:05:20.000 And the mask also screens out the virus from going into your eyeballs, despite the fact that it only covers your nose and your mouth.

00:05:29.000 Yes.

00:05:29.000 Because as we know, you can catch pathogens through your eyes, but not COVID, especially when you're wearing the mask.

00:05:37.000 So I guess you became outspoken to this.

00:05:40.000 And the backstory, you ran or the host the show, The Biggest Loser, is that correct?

00:05:45.000 Yeah, way back when.

00:05:47.000 And I think a lot of people remember that.

00:05:49.000 Who remembers that with Jillian?

00:05:50.000 So that's a big, big, big show.

00:05:53.000 I want to take a sidebar and just talk about that.

00:05:56.000 How did you get into that, first of all?

00:05:58.000 Well, I opened a sports medicine facility when I was around 30 years old.

00:06:03.000 And I had briefly worked in the entertainment industry in branding and motion picture packaging.

00:06:09.000 So I had a lot of clients that worked in the entertainment industry and they'd heard about this show on NBC.

00:06:15.000 And I really did not like the name of the show, but I got pushed to go out for it.

00:06:20.000 And I had thought at the time I was going to brand my gym.

00:06:22.000 I thought that was going to be the brand.

00:06:24.000 And I was going to be the next Curves, which is probably before your time.

00:06:27.000 I remember Curves.

00:06:28.000 Okay, fair, fair.

00:06:29.000 You work out there, Charlie?

00:06:30.000 No.

00:06:33.000 Okay, fair enough.

00:06:35.000 So long story short, I went out for the job.

00:06:38.000 I ended up getting it.

00:06:39.000 And I had, you know, an on-again, off-again relationship with the network and the producers for all of the reasons that the show remains controversial.

00:06:47.000 But nevertheless, it gave me a global megaphone and I'm grateful for it and hopefully doing better things with it.

00:06:55.000 That's kind of how I ended up here.

00:06:57.000 But as you know, politically in culture, it became, we began to glorify obesity.

00:07:04.000 And I think this is really pre-COVID, where I started to get red-pilled.

00:07:08.000 That's really when it began in 2019.

00:07:11.000 And there's a famous incident where I was asked by BuzzFeed if I celebrated the fact that Lizzo was obese.

00:07:17.000 And I was like, well, I celebrate Lizzo.

00:07:19.000 I think she's a brilliant artist.

00:07:20.000 I don't think her body is any of my business.

00:07:23.000 And I continued to get pushed.

00:07:24.000 And I was like, if you're asking me whether or not I celebrate the fact that she is overweight, I do not.

00:07:29.000 Because if you truly Value her.

00:07:30.000 You would never want her to suffer with any of the comorbidities that obesity carries with it.

00:07:37.000 And that was it.

00:07:38.000 It was, oh my god, it was cancel culture central.

00:07:41.000 And that was really my wake-up call. 0.91

00:07:45.000 So you have dealt with this a lot, biggest loser privately, publicly.

00:07:51.000 When somebody is obese, in your experience, what is the percentage composition of it being lifestyle, agency, and genetics?

00:08:01.000 So how much of it is what they are kind of putting in their body?

00:08:04.000 Got it.

00:08:05.000 Meaning, like, are they being poisoned by their food?

00:08:07.000 Unquestionably.

00:08:08.000 Got it.

00:08:08.000 So that's a factor.

00:08:09.000 So we should have compassion and that.

00:08:11.000 100% a factor, yes.

00:08:12.000 Genetics is a factor.

00:08:14.000 Minimally.

00:08:15.000 Minimally.

00:08:16.000 Exceptionally, minimally.

00:08:19.000 Okay, so build that out because we're, you know, people say, I'm born this way.

00:08:22.000 I'm born big-boned.

00:08:23.000 I'm born.

00:08:24.000 No.

00:08:25.000 So you're born with a predisposition for things.

00:08:27.000 And I'm sure you've heard from fantastic MDs far more credible than me tell you that while genetics loads the gun, lifestyle pulls the trigger.

00:08:37.000 I have four obesity genes.

00:08:39.000 Perfectly healthy.

00:08:41.000 So while I may not get to eat as much as my son, who can eat anything and everything and never gain a pound, and it's exceptionally frustrating, but with that said, if I am mindful about what I eat, I can be very healthy.

00:08:56.000 So you simply have to address the fact that your genes are predisposed to slower metabolism.

00:09:03.000 So de-emphasis on genetics, which I love because I feel as if that is disempowering.

00:09:08.000 100%.

00:09:09.000 In fact, that's actually a really sad message to tell obese people because it basically removes agency from the equation.

00:09:16.000 It does so on purpose.

00:09:18.000 Oh, so you think it's on purpose?

00:09:19.000 Oh, of course it's on purpose.

00:09:21.000 So for example, the psyop with big food is that you can be healthy in any size.

00:09:25.000 And we know that they paid off influencers and even registered dieticians to spread this messaging.

00:09:31.000 And then Big Pharma's narrative is, no, no, no, no.

00:09:35.000 Don't worry, you sad, sorry thing.

00:09:38.000 You will never be able to help yourself out of this.

00:09:40.000 So just take this drug and then you'll be okay.

00:09:44.000 But by the way, the only mechanism by which the drug facilitates weight loss is that it helps you eat less food.

00:09:51.000 Which brings me to the factor you didn't mention, and that's the psychological problem.

00:09:55.000 Well, that's what I thought was the last one.

00:09:56.000 So if you had to weight it out of a scale of 100.

00:10:00.000 No, but how much of it would be like agency, attitude, mindset?

00:10:05.000 Would you put that 80%, 90% of the problem?

00:10:08.000 For people that are morbidly obese, I would put it at 80% of the problem.

00:10:13.000 Because for them, food is equated with their psychological survival.

00:10:18.000 And I'll give you a very obvious example.

00:10:19.000 If somebody has been incested or raped or sexually abused, they may choose to desexualize by eating a lot and getting bigger.

00:10:31.000 It's not conscious necessarily, but many people do this.

00:10:36.000 And there are many different examples in response to different trauma. 0.96

00:10:40.000 So they're not lazy, they're not dumb, they're not weak, they're not stupid. 0.97

00:10:44.000 And if you haven't experienced that and you're not morbidly obese, we are still overworked, overstressed. 0.94

00:10:50.000 We are spread far too thin, and this food is engineered to be addictive.

00:10:55.000 It's omnipresent.

00:10:56.000 So they exploit people's vulnerabilities.

00:10:58.000 And this is why we went from 5% of our population being overweight in the 70s to 74% of our adult population being overweight today.

00:11:08.000 It's not a quantum leap in genetics, and it's not a moral failing of the vast majority of our adults.

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00:12:15.000 It's also a lack of nicotine.

00:12:17.000 Of course.

00:12:18.000 Well, I think you use nicotine.

00:12:20.000 I do.

00:12:20.000 People think I smoke.

00:12:21.000 They're like, I didn't know she was a smoker.

00:12:22.000 I'm like, no, I'm not.

00:12:23.000 No, but nicotine is an appetite suppressant.

00:12:28.000 It's neurosurgery.

00:12:29.000 I tell you, of course, yeah.

00:12:29.000 This is why I use that.

00:12:30.000 Yeah, it does.

00:12:30.000 And it constricts blood vessels and actually prevents dementia and Alzheimer's.

00:12:35.000 And Parkinson's.

00:12:36.000 But no, I have a whole theory that smoking is bad.

00:12:38.000 You should not smoke.

00:12:39.000 Smoking is bad.

00:12:40.000 And I think it's disgusting.

00:12:41.000 I hate the smell of smoking.

00:12:42.000 But we were a thinner country when people smoked, obviously.

00:12:45.000 Well, that definitely played a role.

00:12:46.000 I mean, because it's just, when you're smoking, it's an appetite suppressant.

00:12:49.000 But I'm not, we should not do smoking.

00:12:50.000 Like, do not smoke.

00:12:51.000 That's destroyed.

00:12:52.000 Don't smoke.

00:12:52.000 Yes, please don't do it.

00:12:53.000 But eat out of the mouth.

00:12:54.000 But I could make an argument, though, that even with a smoke, like, it's funny, when more people smoked, we were a healthier country.

00:13:01.000 There were also a lot of other factors.

00:13:03.000 The food, milk was not filled with hormones and antibiotics and ultra-processed food was really just sugar and fat, not high fructose corn syrup and 10,000 other ingredients that are designed to trigger the dopamine center in your brain and impede your satiety hormones.

00:13:22.000 It's a science experiment.

00:13:23.000 For sure.

00:13:24.000 So for people that say, let's say they're overweight, how much of them, here's now the other kicker, exercise versus diet.

00:13:31.000 Great question.

00:13:32.000 All right, so it depends on what you're trying to achieve.

00:13:34.000 If you're trying to maintain your weight, food is a factor, but if you're working out, it's arguably the most effective tool at maintaining metabolism.

00:13:44.000 Exactly.

00:13:46.000 Truthfully, if you overeat, that's the thing that's going to make you gain weight.

00:13:49.000 You can't really exercise your way out of it.

00:13:51.000 But if you have a lot of weight to lose, I can't starve it off of you.

00:13:55.000 So here's what I mean.

00:13:56.000 With the contestants on the show that people saw go from 400 pounds to 180 pounds, I'm not dropping their calories to zero.

00:14:05.000 And even if I did, the math isn't there anyway.

00:14:08.000 In other words, if it takes 3,500 calories to burn off a pound of fat, roughly, give or take, it's an estimate.

00:14:15.000 But nevertheless, okay, so you eat zero.

00:14:18.000 How much does your body burn in a day?

00:14:19.000 Let's say it's 3,000.

00:14:21.000 I mean, that's like your best case scenario and you'll end up destroying your health.

00:14:24.000 So steady state cardio, that's how I would kind of push them.

00:14:27.000 I would make them go on what I would call the walk to China, although that's probably the wrong country to bring up here, but it had no, it had no charge back in the day.

00:14:37.000 Walk to Kazakhstan.

00:14:38.000 That's for perfect.

00:14:39.000 Yes, in Europe.

00:14:40.000 About the same place.

00:14:40.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:14:41.000 So long story short is I would have them do this long, steady state duration cardio to create a massive energy call.

00:14:48.000 And that's all that fat is, it's stored energy.

00:14:51.000 It raises their metabolic rate.

00:14:52.000 Yeah, it burns calories.

00:14:54.000 So then, so you want, obviously, I mean, look, if you want to lose weight, just be in a calorie deficit, right?

00:14:59.000 Yeah.

00:14:59.000 It's not that hard.

00:15:00.000 It's like just burn more calories than you put in, and definitionally you'll lose weight.

00:15:05.000 So, just a side note, because it just came to me.

00:15:07.000 So, you did it for 13 years.

00:15:09.000 Gosh, did I?

00:15:10.000 I know you said that, right?

00:15:11.000 On Biggest Loser?

00:15:13.000 Gosh, maybe.

00:15:14.000 That's what you said, right?

00:15:14.000 I don't know, maybe 13 years ago, or maybe 13 years.

00:15:17.000 I don't know.

00:15:18.000 Jeez, okay, I think maybe a long time.

00:15:21.000 So, you had hundreds of contestants, dozens?

00:15:24.000 Okay, so I would imagine that probably while I was on the show, several hundred came through.

00:15:31.000 I worked with half of them.

00:15:34.000 Now, the sad part of this is that you would only get a few of them.

00:15:40.000 It was a game show.

00:15:41.000 It was the gamification of weight loss, which I actually don't agree with and was one of the things that I took umbrage with the producers.

00:15:48.000 But they would go home week one, week two, week three.

00:15:51.000 But the reality is that probably 35% of the people I worked with continued to be healthy and keep the business.

00:15:58.000 That was going to be my question.

00:15:59.000 So, what percentage of the people that went from 400 to 180 stayed in that range?

00:16:04.000 For me, roughly 35%.

00:16:06.000 Did they go back to 400 or did they like go to 250?

00:16:10.000 Not the ones that maintained.

00:16:12.000 The ones that maintained probably went up 20 pounds for the guys, 10, 15 pounds for the girls, because you also have to remember they were coming in at that finale, like you know, so lean and they relaxed and motivated.

00:16:27.000 Yeah, but the ones that put it all back put it all back, and some did.

00:16:32.000 Oh, absolutely, 66%, I would say.

00:16:34.000 That's unbelievable.

00:16:35.000 I mean, so what?

00:16:36.000 That's nothing.

00:16:37.000 5% of the people that lose weight are the ones that keep it off.

00:16:42.000 95% put it in the middle of the morning.

00:16:43.000 But what is the data on dramatic weight loss?

00:16:46.000 It's that.

00:16:47.000 So, I mean, meaning people will lose 200 to go regain 200.

00:16:51.000 Absolutely, yes.

00:16:52.000 And the reason.

00:16:53.000 That's so sad.

00:16:55.000 Here's why, though.

00:16:56.000 Because while you and I can sit here and say, look how simple this is, just simple.

00:17:01.000 I'm just saying it's sad.

00:17:02.000 Or the simple math meaning, right?

00:17:05.000 That the math is very simple, not hard to understand.

00:17:07.000 Eat less food, you'll lose weight.

00:17:09.000 Don't buy into the narratives.

00:17:11.000 It's simple.

00:17:13.000 But just because it's simple doesn't mean it's easy.

00:17:15.000 So whatever it was that the food afforded them, generally speaking, it doesn't get resolved.

00:17:23.000 So I'll give you one more example.

00:17:24.000 There was a kid that I worked with who was 18 years old.

00:17:27.000 He lost a huge amount of weight, and he went home for the holidays because on the show there were holidays, and the contestants would go home, and we would frame it like, we're just going to see how you guys did on the show.

00:17:35.000 And he came back, and he gained seven pounds.

00:17:39.000 So, of course, he's giving me all the excuses of, you know, it's hard while you travel.

00:17:43.000 Pumpkin pie.

00:17:43.000 I was traveling.

00:17:45.000 It was so hard to find out.

00:17:46.000 They didn't have time to move my body.

00:17:48.000 And we sat down for hours and kind of worked it through what happened.

00:17:53.000 And the long and the short of it is that his mother, when he walked in the door, 100 pounds thinner, his mother broke into tears.

00:18:00.000 And they weren't tears of joy because she's also morbidly obese. 1.00

00:18:04.000 So when she... 0.96

00:18:05.000 This is so important.

00:18:06.000 You already got it, right?

00:18:07.000 So he broke the contract.

00:18:09.000 And for her, this is how they bonded.

00:18:12.000 This is how they were close.

00:18:15.000 When she saw him so much healthier and so much thinner, she felt abandoned.

00:18:19.000 And she became sad and depressed.

00:18:22.000 And withdrew.

00:18:23.000 So what does the food afford him?

00:18:25.000 A connection to his mother.

00:18:28.000 Is he conscious of that?

00:18:29.000 No.

00:18:30.000 But that is what I mean when I tell you people are not... 0.70

00:18:33.000 They're not dumb.

00:18:34.000 They're not lazy. 0.61

00:18:35.000 They're not weak.

00:18:36.000 Big food is working to exploit their vulnerabilities.

00:18:39.000 But it is because he hasn't worked through this issue that he would return to the food.

00:18:45.000 So much of what you're saying is that you actually want to...

00:18:48.000 If you want to be healthy...

00:18:51.000 And so I was recently in the South for a thing.

00:18:53.000 And the South is awesome.

00:18:55.000 I like a lot of it.

00:18:56.000 But it's very obese parts of the South.

00:18:58.000 south it is a lot of reasons for it and honestly one of the reasons is that it's culturally accepted 100 and i was in a town where people were very very overweight and i mean they ate a lot it was fine i don't eat any of it like i fasted that day by the way my act my real my like designed weight is like 235.

00:19:18.000 If I ate regular, I'd be like 240.

00:19:19.000 I'm at like 195.

00:19:20.000 I have to work to keep weight off.

00:19:22.000 But that's exactly the point.

00:19:23.000 But I know my nature.

00:19:24.000 I don't want to be overweight.

00:19:26.000 It's the way it is.

00:19:28.000 But also, I'm around people that are constantly moving and it's kind of socially stigmatized.

00:19:35.000 And that's actually positive.

00:19:36.000 The inverse, though, is what you're saying is that if there's no social pressure to stop being obese.

00:19:41.000 And it's rewarded.

00:19:43.000 No, that's right.

00:19:44.000 That the social currency is actually being obese.

00:19:46.000 There you go.

00:19:46.000 In fact, if you are surrounded by 40 people that are overweight and you're the skinny one, you're kind of bullied.

00:19:53.000 Absolutely.

00:19:54.000 Or you're ostracized or you're othered, at least.

00:19:56.000 And listen, one would encourage that person to find another community.

00:20:00.000 But when it's your mother, not quite that easy.

00:20:04.000 You're not going out to get a new mom. 0.64

00:20:05.000 So there's varying degrees of difficulty, if it makes sense.

00:20:08.000 It's hard to believe it was even possible.

00:20:12.000 But the Democrat-run states are now more pro-abortion than ever.

00:20:16.000 And it will only get worse.

00:20:17.000 Unless you join me standing for life.

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00:21:21.000 are overweight by the age of 15.

00:21:23.000 Why?

00:21:23.000 Again, look at the culture.

00:21:26.000 Look what's allowed here.

00:21:27.000 And what is it?

00:21:28.000 Look what's rewarded.

00:21:29.000 And I say this with regard to big business.

00:21:31.000 They literally, they design the food with a team of scientists to addict you.

00:21:37.000 They design, there's a literal multidisciplinary team of behavioralists, marketing experts, PhDs, MDs, neuroscientists, and every step of the way, how do we grab them?

00:21:50.000 How do we addict them?

00:21:51.000 How do we capture them?

00:21:52.000 And I believe probably my Callie means he...

00:21:54.000 We've got on this show many times.

00:21:55.000 She's great.

00:21:56.000 Callie talks all about how... 0.65

00:21:58.000 Callie's the guy.

00:21:58.000 Casey's the girl.

00:21:59.000 Yes.

00:21:59.000 Casey's the doctor and Callie is the activist who...

00:22:03.000 I've got to remind myself.

00:22:03.000 I'm sorry.

00:22:04.000 It's totally fine.

00:22:05.000 I do it all the time and I have known them for quite some time.

00:22:07.000 Yes, and they're wonderful.

00:22:08.000 But he goes on to talk about how big tobacco bought big food in the 80s and just applied the playbook.

00:22:16.000 So that is not allowed in Japan.

00:22:18.000 These chemicals are not allowed in the food.

00:22:22.000 They engineer the environment do you remember back in the day when you couldn't bring food into a bookstore now they sell food at the bookstore no matter where you go the food is there it's in vending machines they they siphon off billions hundreds of billions in our tax dollars to go towards refined grains and then things like snap or the wIC program it it's fascinating when they're one One side, well, not really a sidebar, but if I could go on a brief tangent.

00:22:51.000 I was reading an article the other day about the food pyramid and how people who were pushing back on the USDA and RFK working to change it.

00:22:58.000 They're like, this is what we use to feed our children and our soldiers without realizing how truly abominable that is because the Corn Refiners Association, the wheat lobbies, the vegetable oil lobby, they created that food pyramid. 0.98

00:23:16.000 It's all processed crap. 0.99

00:23:18.000 Yes. 0.99

00:23:18.000 And then they get the contracts and they take subsidy dollars to put that food in our schools, to put it in the ready-to-eat meals for the soldiers, or what do they call the MREs? 0.99

00:23:28.000 Meal meal ready or whatever.

00:23:29.000 Thank you.

00:23:30.000 Exactly.

00:23:31.000 So this is all rigged and gamed.

00:23:33.000 That kind of corporate influence in politics is probably not allowed in Japan.

00:23:38.000 A lot of this is illegal in Japan.

00:23:40.000 So while you don't want a nanny state, I'm not advocating for that.

00:23:44.000 It's also not fair to rig the system in the other direction.

00:23:50.000 Poison is poison.

00:23:51.000 Period.

00:23:52.000 So a couple more topics I want to cover.

00:23:56.000 Are you a fan of Ozempic?

00:23:57.000 I'm not a fan of Ozempic.

00:23:59.000 You guys might be surprised to hear.

00:24:00.000 We want less fat people, right? 0.99

00:24:02.000 I mean, GLP-1s and some agulatide injections.

00:24:06.000 It's all good.

00:24:06.000 Why are you guys doing this?

00:24:07.000 Well, okay.

00:24:08.000 You could twist my arm on the following, and I want to lay this out there.

00:24:12.000 There are some pretty respectable people in wellness that advocate for micro-dosing it for people who are severely obese as a last resort.

00:24:22.000 And you would get me there 100%.

00:24:24.000 It's like an appetite suppressant, essentially.

00:24:26.000 It works in exactly the same way with a fraction of the side effects at a fraction of the cost, which is why, by the way, Big Pharma wants to shut down compounding pharmacies because you can't do that if you're buying Ozempic and Nova Nordsk or whatever.

00:24:41.000 Nova Nortic.

00:24:42.000 Exactly.

00:24:44.000 So my personal issue with this is twofold.

00:24:49.000 First of all, it has a host of nefarious side effects from intestinal blockage to stomach paralysis, thyroid cancer, rare but still happens, pancreatitis, people are losing their vision.

00:25:00.000 Anecdotally, you're hearing about suicidal ideation, accelerated age.

00:25:04.000 Muscle mass decay.

00:25:05.000 Of course.

00:25:06.000 I mean, the list is long and it's extensive.

00:25:08.000 You can never get off of it or you'll gain all your weight back.

00:25:10.000 It's extremely expensive.

00:25:11.000 Like, this is not a solution.

00:25:14.000 And of course, now they're trying to push it as a first line of defense for kids as young as six years old.

00:25:19.000 On the Medicaid schedule, which will cost us like a trillion dollars a year.

00:25:22.000 100%.

00:25:23.000 I believe RFK once said, like, I could give a gym membership and healthy food to every family in the country if we did this.

00:25:28.000 They want nine-year-olds on Ozempic.

00:25:30.000 Six-year-olds on Ozempic.

00:25:32.000 Could you imagine?

00:25:33.000 They have.

00:25:35.000 And right now it's a first line of defense for 12 years.

00:25:38.000 It should be illegal for a six-year-old.

00:25:40.000 I mean, I just, it's just incomprehensible where this is headed.

00:25:44.000 Well, the American Academy of Pediatrics is essentially a subsidiary of Big Pharma.

00:25:48.000 And it doesn't mean that doctors are not great people.

00:25:51.000 Of course they are.

00:25:52.000 And I work with many of them.

00:25:54.000 Some being the key word, right?

00:25:56.000 Like in every profession.

00:25:58.000 So that is deeply alarming to me beyond the fact that it doesn't solve the root of the problem.

00:26:06.000 So there's a great TED Talk for whatever TED is worth these days, but it was a valuable talk.

00:26:11.000 And it talked about doctors in particular.

00:26:14.000 And they're trained to do triage.

00:26:15.000 So the metaphor is: a bunch of people are drowning in this river.

00:26:19.000 The doctors are jumping into the river.

00:26:21.000 They're grabbing the people out and they're performing triage.

00:26:23.000 One of the doctors starts walking upstream.

00:26:25.000 And all the doctors on the shore are like, what are you doing?

00:26:28.000 We need you here.

00:26:29.000 People are dying.

00:26:30.000 And he's like, I'm going to go upstream and find out why are all of these bodies in the water?

00:26:35.000 That is what you need.

00:26:37.000 That's the way we need doctors to think.

00:26:39.000 An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

00:26:42.000 What is the bigger problem here?

00:26:43.000 This is not solving anything.

00:26:45.000 And by the way, Big Food is now working to engineer their product so that it bypasses the GLP-1 pathway anyway.

00:26:52.000 Well, there you go.

00:26:54.000 So Ozempic would be rendered useless.

00:26:56.000 So I think a good universal rule is just eat whole foods, not necessarily at whole foods, which is fine if you do.

00:27:02.000 But just whole, mean, and what is a whole food?

00:27:04.000 There's no ingredients.

00:27:05.000 Like, basically, the ingredient is just itself.

00:27:08.000 Ingredients you can pronounce in ingredients that you know.

00:27:10.000 Like almonds.

00:27:12.000 Cashews.

00:27:13.000 Yeah.

00:27:13.000 Bananas.

00:27:14.000 Right.

00:27:14.000 Apples.

00:27:15.000 Does it have a mother?

00:27:17.000 Did it come from the ground like a Cheeto?

00:27:18.000 There's no Cheeto tree.

00:27:19.000 Yeah, it is.

00:27:21.000 Exactly.

00:27:22.000 And so how much if is it difficult if you were to, I think it's difficult to become obese if you just ate whole foods.

00:27:31.000 You could do it.

00:27:32.000 You could, but I mean, the percentages would go down because they're not designed to trigger the flow.

00:27:38.000 You got it.

00:27:39.000 So they inherently trigger your satiety, right?

00:27:44.000 So when you look at what triggers satiety hormones, it's fiber, it's protein, it's fat.

00:27:50.000 Soda has none of that.

00:27:52.000 In fact, it does the exact opposite.

00:27:55.000 So you drink a soda, it's 250 calories of sugar, it has no fat, no fiber, no protein.

00:28:00.000 So not only is it not triggering your satiety, it's actually crashing your blood sugar because it hits the bloodstream like a ton of bricks.

00:28:07.000 Pancreas dumps insulin, scrapes all the sugar out of the blood as you're on your way to becoming type 2 diabetic, and you have a sugar crash and now you're hungry again.

00:28:16.000 And that's just one of the mechanisms it utilizes to keep you hungry.

00:28:21.000 I mean, they brag, you can't eat just one.

00:28:23.000 It's by design.

00:28:24.000 So really quick, how big would you weigh insulin resistance?

00:28:28.000 Are you carbohydrate skeptic?

00:28:31.000 No.

00:28:32.000 The carbohydrate insulin model of obesity has been debunked by very credible PhDs in nutrition science.

00:28:40.000 And I am living proof.

00:28:42.000 I eat plenty of carbs.

00:28:44.000 If you want to look at it anecdotally, you want to look at it from an observational perspective.

00:28:48.000 The Mediterranean diet is arguably the healthiest with regard to all of the pluses across biomarkers and it's 60% carbs.

00:28:57.000 The key is the quality of the carbs.

00:29:01.000 Hence, you come back to Whole Foods.

00:29:03.000 Ultra-processed food, those kinds of carbs, refined grains, refined sugars, that's what's exceptionally bad.

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00:30:08.000 Let's do a couple questions super quick, guys, for Jillian. 0.99

00:30:11.000 And then we have to...

00:30:15.000 I have been on stage.

00:30:16.000 How was it?

00:30:16.000 It was great.

00:30:17.000 Sorry, I don't even know what time.

00:30:19.000 By the way, I feel like I'm living in a casino.

00:30:20.000 I don't know what time it is.

00:30:21.000 I don't know what day it is.

00:30:22.000 There's no windows.

00:30:24.000 I have no idea what's going on.

00:30:25.000 Oh, I'm enjoying my time with you in this casino.

00:30:28.000 Thank you.

00:30:28.000 No, it's like there's nothing going on.

00:30:31.000 I can imagine.

00:30:31.000 Yeah.

00:30:32.000 Like the Bellagio.

00:30:33.000 Caleb, what's on your mind?

00:30:36.000 When you were talking about the people who are successful in their weight loss because they were replacing whatever that need was with something else.

00:30:45.000 What were the best replacements that you observed in your experience for that problem?

00:30:52.000 Okay, so it's not necessarily that they were replacing the need.

00:30:56.000 It became more painful to do what they were doing than the work and the sacrifice associated with the change.

00:31:05.000 So you have to work through the thing that you are arguably losing.

00:31:10.000 Because remember, for these kinds of people, and I say these kinds of people, people who are morbidly obese, that utilize food as a defense structure, it's affording them something that meant their psychological survival.

00:31:22.000 So you have to show them that while at one time or another, this probably kept you alive.

00:31:26.000 Drug addicts will tell you the same thing.

00:31:28.000 Alcoholics will tell you the same thing.

00:31:30.000 Now it's completely counterintuitive to you.

00:31:32.000 You need to recognize the pattern.

00:31:34.000 You need to learn that you are safe without this.

00:31:37.000 And to be totally honest, it takes years of therapy.

00:31:40.000 Not everyone breaks through.

00:31:41.000 And this is one of the reasons I wonder if something like psilocybin or ibogaine would be helpful because we've seen the incredible transformations that it's given drug addicts that helps them work this stuff through at an accelerated pace and has an 80 plus percent secession rate.

00:31:58.000 But right now you can't do it because it's schedule one, which is absurd.

00:32:04.000 So they have to do all of this work.

00:32:06.000 You have to surround them in a community that's supportive.

00:32:10.000 You have to dopamine detox them.

00:32:12.000 Like there's a lot that needs to be done.

00:32:14.000 That's why it's like food.

00:32:16.000 Say again?

00:32:17.000 Like devices, dopamine detoxes, like that type of.

00:32:20.000 So think of it like this.

00:32:21.000 The food is addictive.

00:32:22.000 I interviewed an addiction specialist by the name of Dr. Anna Lemke at Stanford.

00:32:27.000 Dopamine Nation. 0.99

00:32:28.000 Bingo, yes.

00:32:29.000 And she's like, you can talk to me all day long about trauma, but when they're still hooked on this stuff, there's no hope.

00:32:36.000 Hence the reason that you would want to simultaneously detox them from the chemical addiction while working on the psychological component and then building in successes with food and fitness.

00:32:48.000 It's unfortunately as simple as it is, it's hard and it is multifactorial.

00:32:55.000 But understanding that is the first step and working on each one of these things as it presents itself to you goes a really long way.

00:33:04.000 Thank you.

00:33:05.000 I do want to get anyone in the line that hasn't asked a question today.

00:33:08.000 I'm sorry.

00:33:09.000 Everyone's, I don't mean to.

00:33:10.000 No, no, it's all right.

00:33:11.000 No, you're good, man.

00:33:12.000 Sorry, just you can still wait in line.

00:33:13.000 I just want to make sure we get to people that haven't yet had answered a question.

00:33:16.000 Yes, sir.

00:33:17.000 I was wondering, so I recently read in the Epic Times about vaccines and how the studies with autism and vaccines, how there were many flaws, and sometimes they only tested one form of vaccine.

00:33:30.000 And it was written by a doctor.

00:33:32.000 He's saying he was really unsure if he didn't see anything about evidence of vaccines necessarily causing autism.

00:33:40.000 Just probably Joel Worsche wrote it.

00:33:43.000 He's great.

00:33:44.000 What's his point?

00:33:46.000 Sorry, my question was: have you seen anything that points to vaccines actually causing autism?

00:33:53.000 Or is it just a lack of studies?

00:33:55.000 Here's the thing.

00:33:56.000 What I can tell you, having tried to explore this with very credible experts, is the solid and safe answer here is we don't know because of several factors.

00:34:07.000 And I don't want to take up a ton of time.

00:34:09.000 No, you're right.

00:34:10.000 I'm sorry.

00:34:10.000 I'm just managing.

00:34:11.000 No, no, no.

00:34:11.000 If it's okay to explain this one real quick.

00:34:14.000 So CNN, okay, hold on, let me back up.

00:34:16.000 You've seen Kennedy say, we need better research.

00:34:18.000 We need gold standard science.

00:34:20.000 Okay, so CNN goes out and they crowdsource a freaking appendix, a spreadsheet of studies that had placebo-controlled trials on vaccines. 0.98

00:34:33.000 And they're like, look, he's a liar. 0.99

00:34:34.000 He's a dummy. 0.99

00:34:35.000 This is all, you know, it's disputed, debunked. 0.96

00:34:41.000 Okay, here's the bottom line.

00:34:42.000 First of all, over half of the vaccines on the spreadsheet aren't even on the children's schedule.

00:34:47.000 Okay, next.

00:34:49.000 What Kennedy is asking for is an inert placebo.

00:34:53.000 So this means one kid had saline and another one had the vaccine.

00:34:57.000 The inert placebo was the salience.

00:34:59.000 You can do a true study on it.

00:35:01.000 But for the vast majority of those studies, they use something called an active comparable as the placebo, and that means a previous vaccine, which is bananas.

00:35:12.000 Let's say that wasn't the case, and they did use an inert placebo.

00:35:15.000 That'd be amazing.

00:35:16.000 What did they actually do the study on?

00:35:18.000 Efficacy?

00:35:19.000 Oh, it worked 10 years from now.

00:35:20.000 Okay, but not long-term safety.

00:35:22.000 Immunicity, how well did your body mount a response to the vaccine?

00:35:27.000 Okay, so that took almost all of them off the table.

00:35:30.000 So now there's like a handful, less than I can count on one hand, that had inert placebo.

00:35:35.000 Not all of them, a handful of them that utilized inert placebo for long-term safety.

00:35:42.000 None of them were done pre-licensing of the vaccine.

00:35:47.000 So what Kennedy is telling you is in fact the truth.

00:35:51.000 We don't have the studies.

00:35:54.000 Now I'm sure you saw him on Tucker talking about HEP B and having an 1134% increased risk of autism.

00:36:04.000 And I could get into all of that, but what they were looking for, and it's no longer in the vaccine, despite other concerns, they were looking at something called thimerazole, which is a preservative that's 50% mercury by weight that is no longer in vaccines.

00:36:17.000 But obviously, if you look up, you know, hey, mercury and health issues, not awesome.

00:36:25.000 It's not awesome, but it is out now, and there are other adjuvants like aluminum.

00:36:30.000 We just don't know.

00:36:32.000 Like with MMR, you've got three different vaccines now together, not individually.

00:36:37.000 Have they done those kinds of studies?

00:36:38.000 Same with T-Dev.

00:36:39.000 Exactly the point.

00:36:41.000 Hence the reason he's saying, look, I'm not taking away your vaccines.

00:36:44.000 But there's definitely something going on.

00:36:46.000 And we certainly don't have the gold standard science.

00:36:49.000 Why don't we ask you?

00:36:50.000 By the way, this is what's a truism of life.

00:36:52.000 If you have nothing to hide, why are you offended by the question?

00:36:55.000 Exactly.

00:36:56.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:36:57.000 Exactly.

00:36:58.000 I just, like, okay, for anything, you can ask any question.

00:37:01.000 Like, I'm not saying there's something there, but I do a proving wrong on campus for three hours.

00:37:07.000 I have nothing to hide.

00:37:08.000 Ask me anything.

00:37:08.000 Can I do a proving wrong with the CEO of Pfizer?

00:37:11.000 Can I do a proving, like, how do you prove me wrong with the CEO of Johnson and Johnson?

00:37:15.000 Your company's worth $200 billion.

00:37:17.000 The federal government basically subsidizes your existence.

00:37:20.000 Can you sit on a chair for three hours without notes and just like answer questions about, I'm sorry, you have something.

00:37:26.000 So the fact everyone freaks out and you're running hit pieces.

00:37:29.000 If it was nothing, then the hysteria wouldn't be necessary.

00:37:32.000 You would laugh it off.

00:37:34.000 Like, you just kind of laugh off. 0.90

00:37:35.000 Like, when someone says something that you know that is not true, you're like, okay, that's just person's a wacko, haha. 1.00

00:37:40.000 But that's not what they do.

00:37:41.000 No.

00:37:42.000 It's like hostile.

00:37:43.000 No.

00:37:44.000 We must impugn your character.

00:37:47.000 Again, I know enough to be dangerous on this topic.

00:37:50.000 I also think that 72 shots for a young baby over a course of a year and a half is insane, actually.

00:37:58.000 And if a mom wants to do that, more power to you, fine, I guess.

00:38:02.000 I think no kid under any circumstances should be given the COVID vaccine.

00:38:05.000 I think that's totally evil and totally wrong.

00:38:07.000 That's a gene-altering shot.

00:38:09.000 But yeah, look, I think agency is important, and I have a lot more I could say about it, but I won't.

00:38:16.000 Thank you.

00:38:17.000 Last question here.

00:38:18.000 It's been a long day.

00:38:19.000 Thank you.

00:38:19.000 Jillian, question on, I guess for longevity, especially when you're looking at my age.

00:38:23.000 What are your thoughts or your advice in regards to hit workouts, strength training?

00:38:29.000 And I'm trying to go much higher on protein for continued muscle mass.

00:38:37.000 As long as you're lifting, then you'll be able to utilize it.

00:38:40.000 But if you're just eating tons of protein and you're not lifting, your body can't use it effectively.

00:38:44.000 With that said, I would tell you: look, default to the basics.

00:38:48.000 Don't eat too much.

00:38:49.000 Eat whole foods.

00:38:49.000 Get your sleep.

00:38:50.000 Drink your water.

00:38:52.000 Don't drink alcohol.

00:38:53.000 Really minimize it if you do.

00:38:54.000 Let's be honest, it's poison.

00:38:56.000 I checked that off a few years ago.

00:38:58.000 I say the politically incorrect stuff here, Jillian.

00:38:59.000 But you're actually right.

00:39:00.000 It's poisoning your body.

00:39:01.000 If you want to live longer, don't drink alcohol.

00:39:03.000 Here's what I would tell you with the fitness: hit training.

00:39:06.000 Tabata protocol in particularly.

00:39:08.000 Do it in particular, do it twice a week.

00:39:12.000 And lift weights.

00:39:13.000 Do it safely.

00:39:14.000 Obviously, you don't need to rupture herniate three discs.

00:39:19.000 But strength train, hit train, common sense.

00:39:21.000 It's 90% of it.

00:39:23.000 You don't need to go drink fish tank cleaner.

00:39:25.000 I can't.

00:39:26.000 This is stuff.

00:39:27.000 Like, you know what I mean?

00:39:28.000 Methylene blue.

00:39:29.000 Like, it's just, you don't need to do it.

00:39:31.000 Bobby's in methyl and blue guy.

00:39:32.000 Also, one other very simple thing that is biblical, ancient, and proven: fast.

00:39:37.000 Fasting and longevity are a one-to-one correlation.

00:39:40.000 It's true.

00:39:41.000 It's like, again, if you fast for 72 hours, once a quarter, or even twice a year, cleanses your entire body of pathogens.

00:39:48.000 You'll back me up on this.

00:39:49.000 Well, not only that, it's not just the Bible.

00:39:51.000 It's in pretty much every religious text.

00:39:53.000 Fasting's all over the place.

00:39:54.000 No, it's exactly right.

00:39:55.000 The ancient world has something to say about fasting, but also science.

00:39:58.000 We know it.

00:39:59.000 Fasting's so good for longevity.

00:40:01.000 So, I mean, that's what I recommend.

00:40:04.000 Thank you.

00:40:04.000 We got a dash here.

00:40:05.000 Jillian, you're the best.

00:40:06.000 Thank you so much.

00:40:10.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:40:11.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:40:13.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - August 07, 2025

How to Lose Weight, "The Biggest Loser" Style ft. Jillian Michaels

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