The Charlie Kirk Show - November 13, 2023


How to Save the Republican Party


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Vivek Ramaswamy joins the program to speak about it and how we get it done. Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Ronna has got to go. Today's guest is the President of Turning Point USA, a powerful conservative youth organization.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.
00:00:00.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Rana has got to go.
00:00:02.000 Vivek Ramaswamy joins the program to speak about it and how we get it done.
00:00:06.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:00:08.000 Get involved at TurningPointUSA at tpusa.com.
00:00:11.000 That is tpusa.com.
00:00:13.000 Sorry, high school or college chapter today at tpusa.com.
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00:00:25.000 Email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:00:28.000 Buckle up, everybody.
00:00:29.000 Here we go.
00:00:30.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:31.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:00:34.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:00:37.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:00:40.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:00:41.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:00:42.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.
00:00:49.000 Turning point USA. 0.65
00:00:51.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:00:59.000 That's why we are here.
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00:01:12.000 One of the reasons why the grassroots is losing patience is roaring currently is that we do not have an opposition party.
00:01:20.000 We know the consensus.
00:01:21.000 The consensus is open borders, deficit spending, trillions of dollars that we do not have, endless wars, invade the world, invite the world, socially liberal tilt, globalism, the recreation of a kind of globalist empire, the deterioration of the American dollar.
00:01:38.000 That is the status quo.
00:01:40.000 The American people of all sorts of different backgrounds, Hispanics, blacks, white working class, moms, dads, you name it, retirees, baby boomers, enlightened millennials, people that are trying to earn a buck are demanding, they are asking for an opposition for people to go to DC and to do things differently.
00:02:05.000 We're lectured all the time about democracy dying in darkness.
00:02:09.000 We don't have democracy.
00:02:10.000 We're not a democracy.
00:02:12.000 We are a republic.
00:02:13.000 But the form of government we have is basically two parties of the Republic Crats and the Democins.
00:02:21.000 They're basically the same.
00:02:23.000 Keep the borders open.
00:02:25.000 Millions of people come into the country.
00:02:27.000 We don't talk about it.
00:02:29.000 We don't cut spending.
00:02:31.000 Ukraine gets as much money as possible.
00:02:33.000 We remake the world.
00:02:35.000 And we'll debate about corporate tax cuts and regulatory reform.
00:02:39.000 But the big stuff is untouchable.
00:02:41.000 The American grassroots are losing patience.
00:02:44.000 You cannot have a political party that live action role plays LARPs as an opposition party and expect that party to continue to exist.
00:02:58.000 We have been one of the leaders, if not the leading program, that has been doing the drumbeat, saying that if we're serious about winning in 2024, the leader of the Republican Party must represent their voters.
00:03:14.000 It's nothing personal.
00:03:16.000 There's no sort of vengeance that we're trying to score here.
00:03:20.000 But we isolated a problem in November of last year.
00:03:24.000 Disappointing midterm election results.
00:03:27.000 We saw the underwhelming performance of Get Out the Vote, messaging creation, bringing the tribes together from the Republican National Committee.
00:03:36.000 Now, leading into the midterms, I decided to say, you know what?
00:03:39.000 Let's give the RNC one last chance.
00:03:42.000 They disappointed us in 18, they disappointed us in 20, and they disappointed us again in 2022.
00:03:48.000 And I said, enough.
00:03:50.000 And Tyler Boyer, who comes on the show, committee men for Arizona, Harmeet Dillon, committeeman for California, and many others, said, we need regime change at the RNC.
00:04:00.000 And we were very polite.
00:04:01.000 And then Rana McRomney came after us at turning point, saying, what do they even do?
00:04:06.000 What does Turning Point even do?
00:04:07.000 I said, ah, you've now picked a fight with us.
00:04:11.000 Good luck.
00:04:13.000 So we went down to Dana Point, California.
00:04:16.000 We went down to the front lines at the RNC meeting.
00:04:19.000 And I'll be very honest, very few conservative media types were willing to engage in the fight against the RNC.
00:04:27.000 They still want advertising dollars from the RNC.
00:04:30.000 They want to be on good terms.
00:04:31.000 You could see Rana McRomney doing the media circuit recently with some of your conservative hosts getting warm and favorable treatment.
00:04:40.000 We want to win.
00:04:42.000 We're sick of losing.
00:04:44.000 So I went down to Dana Point, California at the plush five-star hotel, and we pressed the flesh, spoke to the RNC members.
00:04:55.000 We were unsuccessful.
00:04:56.000 Harmeet Dillon did not become RNC chair.
00:04:58.000 Rana did.
00:05:00.000 And Rana, instead of trying to heal the movement, bring all these people together, try to say, let's let bygones be bygones, continued with a bitter, DC-centric war against the grassroots.
00:05:16.000 Now, many of the members of the 168 that voted for Rana are now gone.
00:05:21.000 We've been involved in getting rid of them state by state, precinct by precinct, state party chair by state party chair.
00:05:28.000 Nothing personal here.
00:05:30.000 We want to win.
00:05:31.000 We're sick of losing.
00:05:33.000 And so now last week, we saw yet another chapter in RNC losing form.
00:05:42.000 We didn't win Kentucky in the governor's race.
00:05:44.000 We didn't win Virginia.
00:05:46.000 We got slaughtered in Ohio.
00:05:48.000 So we ask ourselves the question: when have you ever won?
00:05:52.000 Rana McRomney has a 99.9% disapproval rate amongst Republican voters and conservative grassroots.
00:06:01.000 Typically, the RNC is not really talked about.
00:06:03.000 It's kind of like a afterthought.
00:06:08.000 And honestly, it should be.
00:06:09.000 It shouldn't be something that we focus this much attention on.
00:06:12.000 It should just do the boring, necessary work, raise money, hire staffers, get the work done, kind of in operating in the background, and we could focus on other stuff.
00:06:23.000 Instead, it has become a primary concern because they raise hundreds of millions of dollars.
00:06:30.000 They are the party itself.
00:06:33.000 And we need an energetic leader, someone who's able to excite the grassroots, win the trust over of the worker bees of the party, raise the capital from donors, and win.
00:06:46.000 It is unsustainable to have a political party that, one, is not in opposition of the regime and pretends to be.
00:06:56.000 And then, number two, tells you that you're wrong and misguided if you think that something is amiss.
00:07:07.000 This is the stuff that political revolutions are made of. 1.00
00:07:11.000 You cannot look to the masses and say, you guys are a bunch of idiots. 1.00
00:07:15.000 You guys are wrong. 1.00
00:07:17.000 Everything's great.
00:07:18.000 I'll defend my record.
00:07:19.000 Rana has been on defense.
00:07:21.000 By the way, Rana broke several sacred RNC rules.
00:07:25.000 She attacked a current RNC presidential candidate. 1.00
00:07:28.000 You're not allowed to do that. 1.00
00:07:28.000 She doesn't care. 1.00
00:07:30.000 She also said that he's not going to get a cent from us.
00:07:33.000 Not allowed to do that. 1.00
00:07:35.000 Not only is she ineffective, not only is she a loser, she is breaking RNC rules. 1.00
00:07:41.000 That alone should disqualify her. 1.00
00:07:43.000 But here she goes on CNN, bragging about her track record.
00:07:49.000 She says, I'll defend my record.
00:07:53.000 It makes you think, does she think losing is the goal?
00:07:58.000 Play cut four.
00:08:00.000 If you look at what Republicans have dealt with over the last few years, are Republicans right to be frustrated?
00:08:09.000 I understand being frustrated.
00:08:11.000 Of course, we want to win.
00:08:12.000 And I look at the RNC, though, and I'm proud of what we're doing.
00:08:15.000 We're a turnout machine.
00:08:17.000 We don't do the messaging the candidates do with their pollsters and their campaigns.
00:08:20.000 The RNC builds the road.
00:08:22.000 All the candidates drive on it.
00:08:23.000 You need a good candidate and a good road to get to your destination.
00:08:26.000 And the things we're doing right now with our bank your vote initiative and with 70 lawsuits that we're in, we just won one in New Hampshire that upholds voter ID on top of our engagement with minority communities.
00:08:39.000 I'm really proud of what the RNC does.
00:08:41.000 The RNC builds the road.
00:08:43.000 In South Bend, Indiana, when Mayor Pete was there, they had better roads than the RNC has built.
00:08:49.000 The RNC builds the road.
00:08:51.000 It's like a third world country. 0.73
00:08:53.000 By the way, it's never responsibility, never ever taking responsibility.
00:08:57.000 And everybody says, you know what?
00:08:58.000 Yeah, we've been losing a lot.
00:08:59.000 Oh, no, no, it's the candidates' fault.
00:09:02.000 Oh, we don't do messaging.
00:09:02.000 If you don't do messaging, then why is it in the next segment we're going to play that you're talking about messaging?
00:09:07.000 No, no, there's no, they don't, why do you have a DC building, by the way, Rana?
00:09:11.000 Like $50 million.
00:09:12.000 Why don't you sell that?
00:09:13.000 How many full-time staff do you have in Arizona?
00:09:14.000 Why do we have to have more staff than you do at Turning Point Action?
00:09:18.000 It really makes you think and speculate. 0.65
00:09:23.000 Does she want to lose?
00:09:25.000 Her uncle does, Mitt Romney.
00:09:28.000 Her uncle does not want the MAGA movement to continue.
00:09:32.000 I'm now at the point where I actively am speculating.
00:09:36.000 Does she think the Republican Party being out of power is what success looks like?
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00:10:22.000 So where does she go to explain her record?
00:10:25.000 Does she go, at the very least, to Fox News Sunday?
00:10:28.000 Or does she go on Bannon?
00:10:30.000 Does she go to any sort of right-wing media? 0.99
00:10:33.000 She is the head of the RNC. 1.00
00:10:35.000 No, she goes to CNN and NBC.
00:10:38.000 And this should tell you the whole ballgame.
00:10:41.000 If we could get the question CNN asked, which actually was okay by Dana Bash, but it was like kid gloves because CNN and NBC, they're all in on it.
00:10:49.000 They want access to the quote-unquote RNC.
00:10:52.000 And Ron and Mick Romney, they're all buddies.
00:10:56.000 Do you want a chair of the RNC that is buddies with Kristen Welker?
00:11:02.000 No, I want a chair of the RNC that is constantly at war with Kristen Welker.
00:11:08.000 I want a chair of the RNC that understands the media is a core pillar of Operation Mockingbird, the trusted news initiative.
00:11:19.000 The head of the RNC is playing patty cake with NBC News.
00:11:24.000 This is a short tape here, but it's seven seconds that tells you the whole ballgame.
00:11:31.000 This is how DC works.
00:11:32.000 It's how the RNC works.
00:11:34.000 And yes, we can change it.
00:11:37.000 I'm going to show you how we can change it.
00:11:39.000 Kristen Welker, NBC News.
00:11:42.000 They're just, it's like the Mutual Admiration Society.
00:11:47.000 Honestly, if those interviews are ending this warmly, you got a big problem.
00:11:53.000 I mean, you can have respect for all people, but you think that Donald Trump shows up to NBC News?
00:12:01.000 They literally got an argument back and forth.
00:12:03.000 Let's listen to this.
00:12:04.000 And by the way, what does meeting the moment, what?
00:12:09.000 If you're a saboteur, then maybe you met the moment.
00:12:13.000 Listen to this.
00:12:14.000 Rana and Meet the Press, Kristen Welker. 1.00
00:12:17.000 She doesn't go to conservative media to explain her record. 1.00
00:12:21.000 She runs to the most radical left-wing press to defend the indefensible because the media loves it. 1.00
00:12:29.000 They know she's a loser. 1.00
00:12:31.000 They want her to stay there. 0.99
00:12:33.000 They would hate to have Scott Pressler get a phone call back.
00:12:39.000 They want business as usual.
00:12:41.000 They want a polite, orderly, obedient, controlled opposition.
00:12:47.000 Listen to this short tape, Play Cut 5.
00:12:49.000 Thank you so much for having us.
00:12:51.000 It was an honor.
00:12:51.000 Thank you.
00:12:52.000 Co-moderate that debate.
00:12:53.000 We really appreciate it.
00:12:54.000 Thank you for being part of that because this is a time where we met the moment.
00:12:58.000 Welker says, it was an honor.
00:13:01.000 And Rana says, thanks for being part of it.
00:13:03.000 This is a moment where we met the moment.
00:13:07.000 What does that mean?
00:13:10.000 Where we met the moment? 0.98
00:13:12.000 So she did MSNBC and CNN after a disaster of an interview with my friend and great American patriot, Laura Ingram.
00:13:21.000 So Laura Ingram basically was like, I hate losing.
00:13:23.000 What's going on here? 0.99
00:13:25.000 And Rana did poorly.
00:13:27.000 She gets a softball interview, of course, from CNN and MSNBC, but Laura Ingram brings the fastball because Laura Ingram's a patriot and she cares.
00:13:36.000 This was CNN's question.
00:13:38.000 It's an okay question, but on a CNN Republican interview, this is softball.
00:13:44.000 Play cut 11.
00:13:46.000 Personal attacks against you aside.
00:13:48.000 If you look at what Republicans have dealt with over the last few years, Republicans lost the White House in 2020, did not win the Senate back in 2022.
00:14:00.000 The House has a Republican majority, but it's so narrow they can barely govern.
00:14:04.000 And on Tuesday, on the state level, Republicans lost big in Virginia and in Kentucky.
00:14:12.000 Are Republicans right to be frustrated?
00:14:14.000 And her answer, I think we played part of her answer previously, but she says, yeah, I get frustration, but she's based, but first of all, just you understand, this is the fraud.
00:14:24.000 She takes responsibility for nothing and credit for everything.
00:14:28.000 So she says, well, I'm not responsible for messaging.
00:14:30.000 I'm not, but I'm responding.
00:14:33.000 Why blacks are coming our way? 1.00
00:14:35.000 It's all because of me. 0.99
00:14:37.000 She takes full credit for Hispanics and blacks moving in the Republican direction.
00:14:42.000 Nothing to do with moms for liberty or Donald Trump or a MAGA America First message, or honestly, just a response to the trans stuff. 0.85
00:14:50.000 So nothing is her fault.
00:14:52.000 Nothing.
00:14:53.000 No, no, no.
00:14:53.000 It's all the candidates.
00:14:54.000 But hey, you know, blacks and Hispanics are coming, they're coming our way because of me. 1.00
00:14:58.000 And by the way, donors are not putting up with this.
00:15:01.000 I can't tell you the amount of rich, patriotic donors that are like, we're done.
00:15:06.000 This is a joke.
00:15:07.000 We're finding other places to put our money.
00:15:10.000 We're going to get the Laura Ingram interview. 0.97
00:15:12.000 She runs the CNN and MSNBC, NBC, not MSNBC, NBC for a comfortable softball interview. 0.98
00:15:19.000 We can change it.
00:15:20.000 I'm going to tell you how.
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00:16:27.000 Joining us now is the man who moved the conversation forward significantly and is being attacked by the current RNC chair, Vivek Ramaswamy.
00:16:36.000 Vivek, welcome to the program.
00:16:38.000 Talk about last week at the debate.
00:16:41.000 You did a wonderful job and you called for the resignation of Ronna McRomney live at an RNC debate and call out NBC News.
00:16:50.000 Vivek, tell us all about it.
00:16:52.000 Look, I wanted to be unconstrained and I'm going to be unconstrained for the rest of this campaign, Charlie.
00:16:57.000 I don't do well stifled by the standard political norms.
00:17:02.000 So I've called out the Democratic National Committee's corruption for a long time.
00:17:06.000 At the debate, I said Biden needs to step aside.
00:17:09.000 It's a farce that he's going to be the nominee.
00:17:10.000 So just call the farce now.
00:17:12.000 But I can't just call the Democrats out without calling everybody out 360 degrees. 0.99
00:17:16.000 Kristen Welker sitting there spewing the Russia collusion hoax for years, has not once had to answer for it. 0.99
00:17:23.000 I put her on the spot. 0.91
00:17:24.000 I said, tell us, was it Hillary Clinton disinformation or not?
00:17:27.000 You should have seen the look on her face, or you probably did.
00:17:29.000 I mean, it was revealing.
00:17:31.000 It answered the question. 0.56
00:17:33.000 But then you go upstream and who are the people who hired these clowns to be the moderators of a Republican debate, asking questions that no GOP primary voter would care to ask.
00:17:43.000 It's none other than the same RNC that has lost in 2018, 2020, 2022, 2023.
00:17:50.000 Since Ronna McDaniel took over, literally, that's four for four losses.
00:17:54.000 We talk a big game in the Republican Party about accountability in government.
00:17:58.000 But where's the accountability in our own party?
00:18:00.000 And so I told Rona, and I would have kept my word, and I'll keep my word at the next debate.
00:18:04.000 If she wants my time, I'll give it to her.
00:18:06.000 She can get on the stage, use my microphone, look the GOP voters in the eye, and tell them she resigns.
00:18:11.000 Now, she didn't like that I said that. 1.00
00:18:13.000 Apparently, there's press reports afterwards that she's sitting there booing me later in the debate.
00:18:18.000 How hilarious is that? 0.99
00:18:19.000 The chair of the RNC, saying that they're not going to give me another cent, pretending like it's her own money.
00:18:26.000 It kind of reminds me of, you know, if you have like a squatter in a rent-controlled apartment, they are squatting for so long they start to think they own the place.
00:18:34.000 That's kind of what Ronna McDaniel reminds me of.
00:18:36.000 It's not her money to give away, but she thinks it is and acts accordingly. 1.00
00:18:40.000 She needs to get the heck out.
00:18:42.000 Drew McKissick, he's the interim chair.
00:18:44.000 He only took the interim.
00:18:46.000 He's the co-chair.
00:18:46.000 He only took that role earlier this year.
00:18:49.000 Seems like he had a good track record in South Carolina.
00:18:51.000 He could take it on an interim basis until the January meeting where you start with a clean slate and we ask who's actually a radical question for the Republican Party.
00:19:00.000 Who would have ever thought?
00:19:01.000 Who's the best person for the job?
00:19:04.000 I know that we preach a big game about meritocracy and I'm against affirmative action and the rest of it. 0.95
00:19:09.000 But how can you talk in our own party about meritocracy when you say this is the person who is the best person for this job?
00:19:17.000 Of course she's not.
00:19:18.000 So let's practice what we preach.
00:19:20.000 Yeah, it kind of almost screams as nepotism too.
00:19:23.000 Like, why is Romney's niece running the RNC?
00:19:25.000 It's kind of strange.
00:19:26.000 Let's play Cut 19.
00:19:28.000 This is your interview with the great Patrick Bett David.
00:19:33.000 He's really special.
00:19:34.000 Play Cut 19.
00:19:36.000 And so I say on stage that Ronna McDaniel, if she wanted to come up on stage, and I meant it, if she did want to come up on stage, you know, debate stage time is valuable, but I would still yield my time to her if she wants to use the microphone, look the American people in the eye and say she resigns, which would be good for the Republican Party.
00:19:51.000 And I believe she should resign.
00:19:53.000 So what does she say? 0.54
00:19:54.000 So then the press reports, there's people apparently sitting in her row or behind her row in front of her where she is.
00:19:59.000 Think about this neutral arbiter of the Republican National Committee later in the debate when I'm sparring with other candidates, booing when I'm speaking, clapping against other candidates when they're speaking against me.
00:20:10.000 And also, I mean, Vivek, this is against RNC rules.
00:20:13.000 And then she has publicly attacked you saying, oh, he's at 4%.
00:20:17.000 All he needs is a headline.
00:20:20.000 Vivek, the RNC chair is not allowed to actively attack candidates, right?
00:20:26.000 I mean, there's a lot of things they're not allowed to do.
00:20:28.000 Her salary has also tripled for the last three over the course of her tenure as she delivers these failures, much more money for herself and lining her pocketbook. 0.64
00:20:38.000 She actually went on national television the day after the debate or two days after the debate.
00:20:42.000 She listened, Vivek voted for Obama.
00:20:45.000 That's dead false.
00:20:46.000 Never voted for Obama in my life.
00:20:48.000 But it's not that my feelings are hurt by this.
00:20:51.000 I can handle it, right?
00:20:51.000 I mean, you're in politics.
00:20:52.000 You can't handle the heat.
00:20:53.000 Stay out of the kitchen.
00:20:54.000 It's just the shamefulness that this is the person leading the supposedly neutral RNC.
00:21:01.000 And so I think just, I just think we need a clean house.
00:21:03.000 I mean, it's easy to sit there and point at the Democrats and there's plenty to point at that we all don't love and that's great.
00:21:09.000 But we have to look ourselves in the mirror and ask ourselves, what the heck are we doing as a party?
00:21:14.000 The worst ideas we're pursuing right now in Washington, D.C. are the bipartisan ones, forking over hundreds of billions more to somebody else's country so a Ukrainian kleptocrat can buy a bigger house. 0.96
00:21:24.000 Well, guess what? 0.81
00:21:25.000 Donors are forking over a bunch of money so Ronnie McDaniel can buy a bigger house or Nikki Haley can do the same thing as a military contractor.
00:21:30.000 So I think there's a lot more introspection due in the Republican Party than we actually sometimes paper over.
00:21:37.000 And I'm not one of these people to say that, hey, just channel your energy and focus on the other party.
00:21:42.000 I care about this country, actually.
00:21:44.000 And if we care about this country, yeah, we're going to have to be able to point it out 360 degrees.
00:21:48.000 And there's a lot of rot.
00:21:49.000 I mean, the swamp lives in the Republican Party almost every bit as much as the Democrat Party.
00:21:54.000 And so we got to clean that up if we have a chance of saving this country.
00:21:57.000 Yeah.
00:21:58.000 And let's build this out even further, Vivek.
00:21:59.000 I love that quote, by the way, that the worst ideas in D.C. are the bipartisan ones.
00:22:05.000 The muscle memory they want us to be in, because, you know, some of the RAN defenders, there's only like three or four of them that are obviously paid on Twitter.
00:22:11.000 They say, why don't you spend all this time attacking Democrats?
00:22:14.000 Well, we are attacking Democrats.
00:22:15.000 We have one that is acting like a Democrat running the RNC.
00:22:19.000 Vivek, she says that she will defend her track record as RNC chair.
00:22:25.000 She says, I'll defend it in front of anybody.
00:22:26.000 Vivek, you've made hundreds of millions of dollars.
00:22:28.000 You're a successful entrepreneur.
00:22:30.000 I think you should keep owning that and be proud of that.
00:22:32.000 It's the American story in business.
00:22:35.000 If somebody had the track record of Rana, how would you deal with that person?
00:22:40.000 Get out, get the heck out.
00:22:42.000 And instead in this sport, what do they get?
00:22:44.000 A 3X salary increase over the course of that time.
00:22:48.000 And so, look, I just think that I think that more Republicans need to step up, have her step aside.
00:22:53.000 I think that she needs to come to that conclusion on her own.
00:22:56.000 I think if Donald Trump said so, I'm sure that that would also help the conversation.
00:22:59.000 But I want to do my part on that stage.
00:23:01.000 And I think the Republican Party needs to clean house ahead of next year because then you're going to get in the middle of the election cycle in the general election.
00:23:08.000 And then there's going to be reluctance to do it then.
00:23:10.000 And then if you have failure number one, number two, number three, number four, guess what?
00:23:14.000 Number five will then be coming up.
00:23:16.000 And I don't want to see that happen.
00:23:17.000 And so, yeah, we got to have accountability.
00:23:19.000 This would never work or fly in the private sector.
00:23:22.000 Somebody would have been fired long before, at least when we had actually true capitalism in this country, though that's been captured too.
00:23:28.000 That's a story for another day, Charlie, is the swamp is infecting much of corporate America too.
00:23:34.000 So the modern version of corporate America starts to look a lot like this corruption, but the older version of true American capitalism, yeah, we have accountability.
00:23:42.000 Well, that's what we need in the Republican Party, too.
00:23:44.000 So your beef with Rana didn't start last Wednesday.
00:23:47.000 Tell us about your interactions with Rana that morning after the Tuesday election losses.
00:23:52.000 Oh, it's interesting.
00:23:53.000 Yeah.
00:23:54.000 I mean, it goes back to the start of this campaign.
00:23:55.000 I said, release the debate rules.
00:23:57.000 This is like at the start of the campaign. 0.98
00:23:59.000 She refused to do it. 1.00
00:23:59.000 And I said, you better darn well release the debate rules by this deadline. 1.00
00:24:03.000 And I think my advocacy for it, at least, caused them to release it earlier than they would have. 0.94
00:24:07.000 She intervenes when I'm going to have a sparring session.
00:24:09.000 You know, Fox asked me to do a sparring session with Chris Christie.
00:24:12.000 I said, fine, I'll bury him and his arguments in the ground.
00:24:15.000 But then she calls me the night before saying that I would be eliminated from the later debates if we did it.
00:24:19.000 So my issues with Rana date back a while.
00:24:22.000 But regardless, the day of the debate, you do this walkthrough, right?
00:24:26.000 So they said, do the sound checks and everything else.
00:24:29.000 She comes up and she's like, gonna give me a hug.
00:24:31.000 I said, I'll shake your hand, but I'm not in pretty, I'm not in a celebratory mood, Rana.
00:24:34.000 Look what happened last night.
00:24:36.000 Keep in mind, this was literally the morning after Republicans just got trounced across the country.
00:24:42.000 And I'm not even kidding you.
00:24:44.000 Charlie, you can't make this up.
00:24:46.000 This is exactly what she said.
00:24:47.000 And there's multiple people around there.
00:24:49.000 No one's going to deny this.
00:24:51.000 What happened last night?
00:24:53.000 And I was just like, I was like, oh, I thought she was just like being sarcastic and joking.
00:24:56.000 I was just like, yeah, well, obviously, what happened last night?
00:24:58.000 She's like, no, no, no, what happened last night?
00:25:00.000 I don't know what happened last night.
00:25:00.000 What happened last night?
00:25:01.000 What are you saying happened last night?
00:25:03.000 Like, it was almost aggressive.
00:25:05.000 Like, what are you referring to last night?
00:25:06.000 So I say, well, we got our butts handed to us in a bunch of elections in case you weren't paying attention.
00:25:12.000 She's like, yeah, but I have nothing to do with that.
00:25:13.000 Those are state elections.
00:25:14.000 I'm operating at the federal level.
00:25:16.000 You know that.
00:25:16.000 You should know that.
00:25:18.000 I had nothing to do with that.
00:25:19.000 And I refuse to take the fall for this.
00:25:21.000 It was directly to my face response.
00:25:23.000 It was kind of like a heated interaction.
00:25:24.000 We were literally on the debate stage in front of the podiums and the microphones. 0.92
00:25:28.000 And it was ridiculous.
00:25:29.000 I mean, it was the fact that this was her concern, as opposed to saying, how are we going to step back and take our learnings and lessons and improve? 0.69
00:25:39.000 What the heck are we going to do to make sure this doesn't happen again in 2024?
00:25:43.000 We've got an incredibly and incredibly unpopular U.S. president in Joe Biden.
00:25:47.000 Most Democrats, many independents are furious at him, let alone the Republican base.
00:25:52.000 And yet you have a party apparatus that has not been able to channel that into success in an off-year cycle where Republicans actually do better in odd number of year elections because Democrats are not as engaged as Republicans in those odd number years.
00:26:05.000 Where's the introspection as opposed to just the self-defense?
00:26:09.000 And so, you know, I think that there are probably stages of this campaign earlier, Charlie, where honestly I was probably playing a little bit too nice.
00:26:17.000 It was, I'm a pretty unrestrained person, but if you're coming in as a newcomer to keep an open mind and see if these people are really maybe not as bad as you would assume the cesspool of politics is, it's the opposite.
00:26:30.000 It's far worse than I ever imagined.
00:26:31.000 And so for the rest of this race, I'm going to be gloves off, unconstrained.
00:26:35.000 And in the near term, I think we can actually achieve something.
00:26:38.000 I think Rana should step aside.
00:26:40.000 I would applaud her if she does.
00:26:41.000 Bury the hatchet for the past.
00:26:43.000 I'll give her credit, at least for assuming accountability.
00:26:46.000 Clean slate.
00:26:47.000 There's a good interim co-chair who could take over, who's her co-chair, move this forward.
00:26:54.000 Vivek continues thus, Veik Ramasami.
00:26:56.000 So Vivek, tell us the truth about RNC getting involved in state races in Kentucky.
00:27:00.000 Tell us about this.
00:27:01.000 Yeah, I mean, look, it's just what I think is this is a moment to now have real introspection, ask, do we actually have the best person in charge or is this going to just be another corrupt racket?
00:27:11.000 So I'm not going to, out of respect for the person, I'm not going to, you know, share with you the name of the person at their request, but somebody sees me calling out Rana on her nonsense.
00:27:21.000 Here's basically just the text.
00:27:23.000 The good person asked me not to say who was.
00:27:25.000 After reading the article where Rana McDaniel stated, quote, the RNC was not involved in Tuesday's races.
00:27:32.000 Well, we know that Rana and the RNC played big in the Kentucky race.
00:27:36.000 McConnell called her directly and basically demanded money to that whole race.
00:27:43.000 Makes us sick to think the level that this goes into how this particular person was a donor to the RNC and is sick of actually why they did it.
00:27:52.000 So this is just examples of the text messages that I'm getting, even from people who are sick and tired of being donors to the RNC.
00:27:59.000 The RNC is saying they're going to do one thing, actually do another, saying we weren't involved in the state races, telling Virginia.
00:28:05.000 Now, you saw the reports coming from the state of Virginia and the Republican Party, somehow saying that they wouldn't have wanted the RNC helping them flip Virginia. 0.53
00:28:12.000 It's ridiculous. 0.94
00:28:13.000 It's malpractice. 0.89
00:28:14.000 And then now claiming they weren't involved in state races, now we're getting information from sources saying that absolutely they were playing in Kentucky at McConnell's behest.
00:28:22.000 And so, you know, Charlie, I think that comes back to, I don't want to wait.
00:28:27.000 And I'm not saying this to boast because it's really not about me.
00:28:29.000 It's about the country.
00:28:30.000 But the lesson here is I don't want to wait until I'm elected to be able to drive positive change in this country.
00:28:38.000 We do it philanthropically.
00:28:40.000 We wrote a check to be able to charter flight for getting Americans out of harm's way in Israel. 0.72
00:28:44.000 We try to, whenever I see something along the way that we're able to drive positive change now, I want to do it now and not wait for later.
00:28:52.000 Here's what I want to do now.
00:28:53.000 I want to see this through and make sure Ronna McDaniel is out from the RNC. 0.96
00:28:59.000 That is strictly good no matter who's the nominee, no matter what happens next year.
00:29:04.000 That itself is a public service now.
00:29:06.000 Once she's out, I probably, and I have my sight set on who would come after her.
00:29:11.000 I think McConnell should not be leading here in the Republican Party in the Senate either, but we'll do one at a time. 0.99
00:29:17.000 I think that Ronna McDaniel needs to step out of the way. 0.75
00:29:20.000 That's going to put us in a good position heading into next year.
00:29:23.000 And I think that that's something we can get done in the meantime.
00:29:25.000 We don't have to wait till November 2024 for that.
00:29:28.000 We need to get that done now so that we actually win in November 2024.
00:29:32.000 Yeah.
00:29:32.000 And if we don't have a change in leadership, we are going to be so significantly disadvantaged.
00:29:36.000 I mean, enough losing.
00:29:37.000 It is a pattern of losing time and time and time again.
00:29:41.000 Here's just a piece of tape here.
00:29:42.000 So she tells you when she tried to give you a hug, oh, we don't get involved in state races.
00:29:47.000 But here she says, oh, I wasn't needed.
00:29:48.000 So you're trying to tell me in politics, people say no to money.
00:29:51.000 That's first.
00:29:52.000 I've never heard that before.
00:29:53.000 Play cut 21.
00:29:55.000 I just want to clarify one quick thing, though.
00:29:57.000 The RNC had no involvement in these elections of Virginia per Governor Junckin's request.
00:30:02.000 Well, we were told in the summer they didn't need us, but they had all the money and they were good.
00:30:05.000 So that was the conversation.
00:30:07.000 Thanks for your time.
00:30:09.000 Thank you.
00:30:10.000 We'll be following up on that.
00:30:13.000 What's that all about?
00:30:14.000 That's the first time I've heard that.
00:30:16.000 Whoever says no to money in any given situation, Vivek.
00:30:20.000 Yeah, I mean, Virginia's folks also from the Republican Party have, you know, publicly elsewhere, TV and elsewhere, have said that that obviously doesn't make sense.
00:30:27.000 And actually that they had said no such thing.
00:30:29.000 They would have loved to have greater federal money playing.
00:30:32.000 But put all this to one side, Charlie.
00:30:35.000 In a certain sense, if you have the wrong person on top, you can't just steer them to then do the right thing.
00:30:42.000 And, you know, fool me once, shame on me.
00:30:44.000 Fool me twice. 0.68
00:30:44.000 Fool me once, shame on you. 0.68
00:30:45.000 Fool me twice, shame on me.
00:30:47.000 That's what we should be saying as the people who are stakeholders of the Republican Party.
00:30:51.000 Harmee Dylan, I think, did a good thing in trying to run.
00:30:54.000 It was impossible for us to have, for her to, I think, have a fair shot while Rana was still in that seat engineering it.
00:31:00.000 I think we need to start with a clean slate.
00:31:03.000 The January RNC meeting, it starts on January 30th.
00:31:06.000 It's an important time.
00:31:07.000 There's somebody in the interim role that could take over between now and then.
00:31:10.000 Very practical.
00:31:11.000 I think it'd be great if Trump and others in the party who have a real voice and a sway here help us to do the right thing.
00:31:17.000 Then we set up, I think, a clean deck for what happens in 2024.
00:31:21.000 And my view is, yeah, you don't have to wait to win the election to drive positive change.
00:31:25.000 Do it as you see it.
00:31:26.000 And I think Rana getting out of the way would be good, calling up the corrupt media, calling out the corrupt media at every step of the way to educate the public to say that you shouldn't swallow what you're being force-fed today.
00:31:36.000 You're being force-fed about Ukraine and how our money is being spent today.
00:31:39.000 It was a Hunter Biden laptop story yesterday.
00:31:41.000 We got to learn from the mistakes of the past and make sure that in real time, we're not just waiting till next November.
00:31:47.000 We're starting now to make sure we save this country day by day.
00:31:50.000 Vivek Ramaswamy, excellent leadership here.
00:31:53.000 I agree completely.
00:31:54.000 We're going to be working together to get an actual leader, someone that listens to the grassroots, can raise money and can win.
00:32:02.000 Vivek, thanks so much.
00:32:03.000 Thank you.
00:32:06.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:32:08.000 Email us as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com.
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00:32:12.000 God bless.
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