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00:00:51.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:21.000The consensus is open borders, deficit spending, trillions of dollars that we do not have, endless wars, invade the world, invite the world, socially liberal tilt, globalism, the recreation of a kind of globalist empire, the deterioration of the American dollar.
00:01:40.000The American people of all sorts of different backgrounds, Hispanics, blacks, white working class, moms, dads, you name it, retirees, baby boomers, enlightened millennials, people that are trying to earn a buck are demanding, they are asking for an opposition for people to go to DC and to do things differently.
00:02:05.000We're lectured all the time about democracy dying in darkness.
00:02:41.000The American grassroots are losing patience.
00:02:44.000You cannot have a political party that live action role plays LARPs as an opposition party and expect that party to continue to exist.
00:02:58.000We have been one of the leaders, if not the leading program, that has been doing the drumbeat, saying that if we're serious about winning in 2024, the leader of the Republican Party must represent their voters.
00:03:27.000We saw the underwhelming performance of Get Out the Vote, messaging creation, bringing the tribes together from the Republican National Committee.
00:03:36.000Now, leading into the midterms, I decided to say, you know what?
00:03:50.000And Tyler Boyer, who comes on the show, committee men for Arizona, Harmeet Dillon, committeeman for California, and many others, said, we need regime change at the RNC.
00:05:00.000And Rana, instead of trying to heal the movement, bring all these people together, try to say, let's let bygones be bygones, continued with a bitter, DC-centric war against the grassroots.
00:05:16.000Now, many of the members of the 168 that voted for Rana are now gone.
00:05:21.000We've been involved in getting rid of them state by state, precinct by precinct, state party chair by state party chair.
00:06:09.000It shouldn't be something that we focus this much attention on.
00:06:12.000It should just do the boring, necessary work, raise money, hire staffers, get the work done, kind of in operating in the background, and we could focus on other stuff.
00:06:23.000Instead, it has become a primary concern because they raise hundreds of millions of dollars.
00:06:33.000And we need an energetic leader, someone who's able to excite the grassroots, win the trust over of the worker bees of the party, raise the capital from donors, and win.
00:06:46.000It is unsustainable to have a political party that, one, is not in opposition of the regime and pretends to be.
00:06:56.000And then, number two, tells you that you're wrong and misguided if you think that something is amiss.
00:07:07.000This is the stuff that political revolutions are made of.
00:07:11.000You cannot look to the masses and say, you guys are a bunch of idiots.
00:08:23.000You need a good candidate and a good road to get to your destination.
00:08:26.000And the things we're doing right now with our bank your vote initiative and with 70 lawsuits that we're in, we just won one in New Hampshire that upholds voter ID on top of our engagement with minority communities.
00:08:39.000I'm really proud of what the RNC does.
00:10:38.000And this should tell you the whole ballgame.
00:10:41.000If we could get the question CNN asked, which actually was okay by Dana Bash, but it was like kid gloves because CNN and NBC, they're all in on it.
00:10:49.000They want access to the quote-unquote RNC.
00:10:52.000And Ron and Mick Romney, they're all buddies.
00:10:56.000Do you want a chair of the RNC that is buddies with Kristen Welker?
00:11:02.000No, I want a chair of the RNC that is constantly at war with Kristen Welker.
00:11:08.000I want a chair of the RNC that understands the media is a core pillar of Operation Mockingbird, the trusted news initiative.
00:11:19.000The head of the RNC is playing patty cake with NBC News.
00:11:24.000This is a short tape here, but it's seven seconds that tells you the whole ballgame.
00:13:27.000She gets a softball interview, of course, from CNN and MSNBC, but Laura Ingram brings the fastball because Laura Ingram's a patriot and she cares.
00:13:48.000If you look at what Republicans have dealt with over the last few years, Republicans lost the White House in 2020, did not win the Senate back in 2022.
00:14:00.000The House has a Republican majority, but it's so narrow they can barely govern.
00:14:04.000And on Tuesday, on the state level, Republicans lost big in Virginia and in Kentucky.
00:14:12.000Are Republicans right to be frustrated?
00:14:14.000And her answer, I think we played part of her answer previously, but she says, yeah, I get frustration, but she's based, but first of all, just you understand, this is the fraud.
00:14:24.000She takes responsibility for nothing and credit for everything.
00:14:28.000So she says, well, I'm not responsible for messaging.
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00:16:27.000Joining us now is the man who moved the conversation forward significantly and is being attacked by the current RNC chair, Vivek Ramaswamy.
00:17:33.000But then you go upstream and who are the people who hired these clowns to be the moderators of a Republican debate, asking questions that no GOP primary voter would care to ask.
00:17:43.000It's none other than the same RNC that has lost in 2018, 2020, 2022, 2023.
00:17:50.000Since Ronna McDaniel took over, literally, that's four for four losses.
00:17:54.000We talk a big game in the Republican Party about accountability in government.
00:17:58.000But where's the accountability in our own party?
00:18:00.000And so I told Rona, and I would have kept my word, and I'll keep my word at the next debate.
00:18:04.000If she wants my time, I'll give it to her.
00:18:06.000She can get on the stage, use my microphone, look the GOP voters in the eye, and tell them she resigns.
00:18:11.000Now, she didn't like that I said that.
00:18:13.000Apparently, there's press reports afterwards that she's sitting there booing me later in the debate.
00:18:19.000The chair of the RNC, saying that they're not going to give me another cent, pretending like it's her own money.
00:18:26.000It kind of reminds me of, you know, if you have like a squatter in a rent-controlled apartment, they are squatting for so long they start to think they own the place.
00:18:34.000That's kind of what Ronna McDaniel reminds me of.
00:18:36.000It's not her money to give away, but she thinks it is and acts accordingly.
00:18:46.000He only took that role earlier this year.
00:18:49.000Seems like he had a good track record in South Carolina.
00:18:51.000He could take it on an interim basis until the January meeting where you start with a clean slate and we ask who's actually a radical question for the Republican Party.
00:19:36.000And so I say on stage that Ronna McDaniel, if she wanted to come up on stage, and I meant it, if she did want to come up on stage, you know, debate stage time is valuable, but I would still yield my time to her if she wants to use the microphone, look the American people in the eye and say she resigns, which would be good for the Republican Party.
00:19:54.000So then the press reports, there's people apparently sitting in her row or behind her row in front of her where she is.
00:19:59.000Think about this neutral arbiter of the Republican National Committee later in the debate when I'm sparring with other candidates, booing when I'm speaking, clapping against other candidates when they're speaking against me.
00:20:10.000And also, I mean, Vivek, this is against RNC rules.
00:20:13.000And then she has publicly attacked you saying, oh, he's at 4%.
00:20:20.000Vivek, the RNC chair is not allowed to actively attack candidates, right?
00:20:26.000I mean, there's a lot of things they're not allowed to do.
00:20:28.000Her salary has also tripled for the last three over the course of her tenure as she delivers these failures, much more money for herself and lining her pocketbook.
00:20:38.000She actually went on national television the day after the debate or two days after the debate.
00:20:54.000It's just the shamefulness that this is the person leading the supposedly neutral RNC.
00:21:01.000And so I think just, I just think we need a clean house.
00:21:03.000I mean, it's easy to sit there and point at the Democrats and there's plenty to point at that we all don't love and that's great.
00:21:09.000But we have to look ourselves in the mirror and ask ourselves, what the heck are we doing as a party?
00:21:14.000The worst ideas we're pursuing right now in Washington, D.C. are the bipartisan ones, forking over hundreds of billions more to somebody else's country so a Ukrainian kleptocrat can buy a bigger house.
00:21:25.000Donors are forking over a bunch of money so Ronnie McDaniel can buy a bigger house or Nikki Haley can do the same thing as a military contractor.
00:21:30.000So I think there's a lot more introspection due in the Republican Party than we actually sometimes paper over.
00:21:37.000And I'm not one of these people to say that, hey, just channel your energy and focus on the other party.
00:21:58.000And let's build this out even further, Vivek.
00:21:59.000I love that quote, by the way, that the worst ideas in D.C. are the bipartisan ones.
00:22:05.000The muscle memory they want us to be in, because, you know, some of the RAN defenders, there's only like three or four of them that are obviously paid on Twitter.
00:22:11.000They say, why don't you spend all this time attacking Democrats?
00:22:42.000And instead in this sport, what do they get?
00:22:44.000A 3X salary increase over the course of that time.
00:22:48.000And so, look, I just think that I think that more Republicans need to step up, have her step aside.
00:22:53.000I think that she needs to come to that conclusion on her own.
00:22:56.000I think if Donald Trump said so, I'm sure that that would also help the conversation.
00:22:59.000But I want to do my part on that stage.
00:23:01.000And I think the Republican Party needs to clean house ahead of next year because then you're going to get in the middle of the election cycle in the general election.
00:23:08.000And then there's going to be reluctance to do it then.
00:23:10.000And then if you have failure number one, number two, number three, number four, guess what?
00:23:17.000And so, yeah, we got to have accountability.
00:23:19.000This would never work or fly in the private sector.
00:23:22.000Somebody would have been fired long before, at least when we had actually true capitalism in this country, though that's been captured too.
00:23:28.000That's a story for another day, Charlie, is the swamp is infecting much of corporate America too.
00:23:34.000So the modern version of corporate America starts to look a lot like this corruption, but the older version of true American capitalism, yeah, we have accountability.
00:23:42.000Well, that's what we need in the Republican Party, too.
00:23:44.000So your beef with Rana didn't start last Wednesday.
00:23:47.000Tell us about your interactions with Rana that morning after the Tuesday election losses.
00:25:29.000I mean, it was the fact that this was her concern, as opposed to saying, how are we going to step back and take our learnings and lessons and improve?
00:25:39.000What the heck are we going to do to make sure this doesn't happen again in 2024?
00:25:43.000We've got an incredibly and incredibly unpopular U.S. president in Joe Biden.
00:25:47.000Most Democrats, many independents are furious at him, let alone the Republican base.
00:25:52.000And yet you have a party apparatus that has not been able to channel that into success in an off-year cycle where Republicans actually do better in odd number of year elections because Democrats are not as engaged as Republicans in those odd number years.
00:26:05.000Where's the introspection as opposed to just the self-defense?
00:26:09.000And so, you know, I think that there are probably stages of this campaign earlier, Charlie, where honestly I was probably playing a little bit too nice.
00:26:17.000It was, I'm a pretty unrestrained person, but if you're coming in as a newcomer to keep an open mind and see if these people are really maybe not as bad as you would assume the cesspool of politics is, it's the opposite.
00:27:01.000Yeah, I mean, look, it's just what I think is this is a moment to now have real introspection, ask, do we actually have the best person in charge or is this going to just be another corrupt racket?
00:27:11.000So I'm not going to, out of respect for the person, I'm not going to, you know, share with you the name of the person at their request, but somebody sees me calling out Rana on her nonsense.
00:27:23.000The good person asked me not to say who was.
00:27:25.000After reading the article where Rana McDaniel stated, quote, the RNC was not involved in Tuesday's races.
00:27:32.000Well, we know that Rana and the RNC played big in the Kentucky race.
00:27:36.000McConnell called her directly and basically demanded money to that whole race.
00:27:43.000Makes us sick to think the level that this goes into how this particular person was a donor to the RNC and is sick of actually why they did it.
00:27:52.000So this is just examples of the text messages that I'm getting, even from people who are sick and tired of being donors to the RNC.
00:27:59.000The RNC is saying they're going to do one thing, actually do another, saying we weren't involved in the state races, telling Virginia.
00:28:05.000Now, you saw the reports coming from the state of Virginia and the Republican Party, somehow saying that they wouldn't have wanted the RNC helping them flip Virginia.
00:28:14.000And then now claiming they weren't involved in state races, now we're getting information from sources saying that absolutely they were playing in Kentucky at McConnell's behest.
00:28:22.000And so, you know, Charlie, I think that comes back to, I don't want to wait.
00:28:27.000And I'm not saying this to boast because it's really not about me.
00:28:40.000We wrote a check to be able to charter flight for getting Americans out of harm's way in Israel.
00:28:44.000We try to, whenever I see something along the way that we're able to drive positive change now, I want to do it now and not wait for later.
00:30:14.000That's the first time I've heard that.
00:30:16.000Whoever says no to money in any given situation, Vivek.
00:30:20.000Yeah, I mean, Virginia's folks also from the Republican Party have, you know, publicly elsewhere, TV and elsewhere, have said that that obviously doesn't make sense.
00:30:27.000And actually that they had said no such thing.
00:30:29.000They would have loved to have greater federal money playing.
00:30:32.000But put all this to one side, Charlie.
00:30:35.000In a certain sense, if you have the wrong person on top, you can't just steer them to then do the right thing.
00:30:42.000And, you know, fool me once, shame on me.
00:31:26.000And I think Rana getting out of the way would be good, calling up the corrupt media, calling out the corrupt media at every step of the way to educate the public to say that you shouldn't swallow what you're being force-fed today.
00:31:36.000You're being force-fed about Ukraine and how our money is being spent today.
00:31:39.000It was a Hunter Biden laptop story yesterday.
00:31:41.000We got to learn from the mistakes of the past and make sure that in real time, we're not just waiting till next November.
00:31:47.000We're starting now to make sure we save this country day by day.